Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - May 30, 2025


Episode 1： How I ended up in the middle of the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni legal drama

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Kjersti Flaa
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Blake Lively Justin Baldoni Taylor Swift Ryan Reynolds Leslie Sloan Johnny Depp Melissa Nathan Samuel L. Jackson Stephanie Jones Flossom Talk Jennifer Abel Parker Posey Lady Gaga Betty Buzz Gordon Joseph Levitt Robert De Niro Michael Fassbender Michael Douglas Amanda Seyfried Christoph Waltz and 15 more
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In this episode of Flawsome Talk, I talk about my experience as an entertainment reporter in New York City, my first experience with celebrity interviews, and why I think the older a celebrity is, the nicer they are.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, and welcome to Flawsome Talk, the podcast.
00:00:09.080 This is my very first episode, and if you don't know me from YouTube, I am an entertainment
00:00:15.180 reporter and I've been really like dragged into the Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni legal
00:00:22.580 drama.
00:00:23.260 So I've been talking a lot about that for the last six months on my YouTube channel.
00:00:27.560 Now I am launching this podcast, which is going to be a bit longer segment.
00:00:33.980 So if you are on any of the major platforms, you can listen to me there or you can watch
00:00:39.580 me on YouTube under my podcasts.
00:00:42.480 Anyways, I just wanted to give you a little introduction about myself first, if you don't
00:00:46.260 know me.
00:00:46.760 So I moved to New York from Oslo, Norway in 2007, basically because I was so into Sex and
00:00:54.300 the City.
00:00:54.620 I loved the show so much and I was like, oh, that sounds like a fun lifestyle.
00:00:58.500 I want to live in New York as well.
00:01:00.260 So I moved there and I worked as a reporter and a freelance journalist.
00:01:04.580 I was always looking for good stories.
00:01:06.960 I would write anything, you know, from lifestyle, fashion stories.
00:01:10.700 I did more investigating stories.
00:01:12.780 I worked for all the biggest newspapers and magazines in Norway.
00:01:16.640 And then one day I was asked if I could interview Samuel L. Jackson for a movie called Jumper,
00:01:22.940 which was a terrible movie, by the way.
00:01:25.580 But anyways, it was my first so-called junket interview and it was my first introduction to
00:01:31.500 that world.
00:01:32.680 I was terrible at my job.
00:01:35.280 I forgot to bring my tape recorder.
00:01:38.280 It was so embarrassing.
00:01:39.800 But Samuel L. Jackson was the sweetest guy.
00:01:42.360 He was so nice to me.
00:01:43.680 It was just me and him in this hotel room for over 20 minutes, which really happens now.
00:01:49.540 You know, these interviews are so short and I didn't, as I said, I forgot to bring my recorder.
00:01:54.860 So I had to get like a note from the hotel and I was writing everything down with my pen.
00:01:59.940 It was terrible.
00:02:01.540 Yeah, I probably did every mistake possible in the book.
00:02:04.700 But I did learn from that.
00:02:06.720 And so next time I did not forget to bring my tape recorder.
00:02:11.060 Anyways, then I started getting these celebrity interviews.
00:02:14.840 And my first TV, my first big TV interview was with Lady Gaga.
00:02:18.980 I remember I was so nervous and I was sitting in this hotel lobby on the Upper East Side in New York,
00:02:25.600 waiting for her.
00:02:26.620 And she was, I think, four hours late.
00:02:30.400 And I was sitting there by myself, peeing myself, thinking, oh, my God, how is this going to end?
00:02:35.500 That interview actually turned out really well.
00:02:37.720 And I was so excited to see it when it was going to air on television in Norway.
00:02:42.720 But then to my biggest disappointment, when I watched the show,
00:02:45.980 they had removed me from the interview and they removed my byline,
00:02:52.020 which is terrible, which never should happen.
00:02:54.480 And of course, I was devastated.
00:02:56.500 I was like, no one knew that I interviewed Lady Gaga.
00:02:59.320 And yeah, and I contacted them and I said, you know, why don't I have a byline here?
00:03:03.960 And they were like, sorry, we only give bylines to the people that are working here full time.
00:03:08.600 And I was like, wow, that's not very nice.
00:03:11.460 But after that, I continued working for them.
00:03:13.520 And I started selling these type of interviews to different newspapers as well.
00:03:19.280 And I got a lot of access after a while.
00:03:21.700 So I've been interviewing hundreds, maybe a thousand celebrities over the years,
00:03:26.900 and most of them have been really pleasant experiences.
00:03:30.620 Some of them have not.
00:03:31.980 And maybe I've talked more about that on my YouTube channel than I've talked about the good ones.
00:03:37.040 But there are some amazing stars out there.
00:03:39.580 And I think for me, my experience has been that the older and the more established the actor or actress is,
00:03:48.100 the nicer they are.
00:03:49.700 And I think maybe sometimes when a celebrity is getting a bit older,
00:03:53.220 they're not so afraid to speak their mind.
00:03:55.660 They're not so afraid of questions that are politically incorrect or not being politically correct themselves.
00:04:02.440 Yeah.
00:04:02.580 So that's my experience, mostly that, you know, that the older, more established actors are the nicest ones.
00:04:08.100 If I'm going to mention some, it would be Michael Douglas, Jane Fonda, Diane Keaton, Meryl Streep too.
00:04:14.920 She can be a little intimidating, but at the same time, she's just like no BS, which I really like.
00:04:20.560 You know who she is.
00:04:21.420 You know where you have her.
00:04:23.220 The younger ones, I would say that Amanda Seyfried and Tom Holland are my favorites.
00:04:28.940 And if I'm going to mention some that I don't like, that I had bad experiences with,
00:04:33.940 I have to say Michael Fassbender, Gordon Joseph Levitt, and Brie Larson, Christoph Waltz.
00:04:41.620 Also, he did give me an interview that was good.
00:04:44.840 He's very pretentious and very intimidating.
00:04:48.060 Also, I had a bad experience with Anne Hathaway.
00:04:50.680 If you follow that on my YouTube channel,
00:04:53.040 you saw that she actually reached out to me and apologized this fall for being kind of rude in that interview.
00:05:01.240 So I really appreciated that.
00:05:03.040 And of course, we have to talk about my interview with Blake Lively and Parker Posey
00:05:08.400 that I posted in August on my YouTube channel.
00:05:12.400 And what happened after that was a crazy roller coaster ride.
00:05:18.220 So I had interviewed Blake Lively back in 2016 for a movie called Café Society.
00:05:26.160 It was directed by Woody Allen.
00:05:27.960 And I was going to interview Blake Lively and Parker Posey.
00:05:31.040 They were appeared at the Crosby Hotel in New York.
00:05:34.920 I think it was in spring, maybe March, around March in New York.
00:05:40.440 And I'd never met her before.
00:05:42.480 And I was kind of excited to meet her.
00:05:44.480 I didn't have a specific opinion about her at that time.
00:05:48.220 And I sat down and the interview started like this.
00:05:52.280 First of all, congrats on your little bump.
00:05:54.760 Congrats on your little bump. 0.99
00:05:56.640 What about my bump?
00:06:00.260 You've got two nice ones.
00:06:02.380 And these, they are kind of bumps, aren't they?
00:06:05.400 Yeah, I don't know what that was.
00:06:06.920 People have been trying to analyze it.
00:06:08.580 If she was actually trying to fat shame me or she was trying to say that,
00:06:11.560 oh, you're pregnant too, which obviously I wasn't.
00:06:14.200 And then it went downhill from there when I started talking or asking about what it was like wearing those costumes that were so beautiful in the movie.
00:06:24.660 Do you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you got to wear?
00:06:28.360 Yes.
00:06:29.060 And, you know, working in digital.
00:06:30.160 Everyone wants to talk about the clothes.
00:06:31.280 But I wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes.
00:06:34.160 I would.
00:06:34.740 Yeah, from there it went downhill and they were ignoring me for the rest of the interview.
00:06:39.580 And I think that's what made people react so strongly when they watch this because she comes off as a mean girl. 1.00
00:06:47.220 And the reason why I've talked about that a lot in the press as well, the reason why I didn't share that interview back in 2016 was because I knew that if I showed this side of her back then was when I was in the middle of my career interviewing celebrities several times a week,
00:07:05.440 I would probably be blacklisted by her publicist, Leslie Sloan, and even maybe by the studio because that's how it works in this industry. 0.99
00:07:14.100 It's always the journalist's fault if something is not going well or if a talent or an actor is put in a bad light, they blame it on the journalist.
00:07:25.860 I've experienced that a few times before and all my colleagues have had that same experience as well.
00:07:32.380 I think every single one of my colleagues have been in a situation where either the studio or the publicist took their tape away, took their interview away after they finished the interview for no specific reason.
00:07:47.300 They don't even have to give you a reason.
00:07:48.500 But the thing is, they are putting up the camera gear and everything on location there.
00:07:53.300 So then they own the contents on those tapes because they taped it on their video recorders or on their cameras.
00:08:04.980 I've spoken, I remember I was interviewed by BBC talking about this like six months ago in the middle of the crazy whirlwind around that viral interview and the BBC said that they always bring their own cameras so no one can censor their interviews afterwards, which is great.
00:08:23.040 But, you know, most people like me or other entertainment reporters, a lot of them, especially international ones, are freelancers and we don't have the means to bring our own camera crew and they wouldn't allow us either.
00:08:35.120 It's only if you have a big name, a huge publication in your back that they would allow things like that.
00:08:40.620 We are just really disposable, all of us international journalists.
00:08:45.580 And you also see how a lot of these people are such cases up to the people, the publicists, the studio.
00:08:52.040 This whole industry is just such cases to begin with and everyone's kind of fake.
00:08:57.400 And that's what I've been talking a lot about on my channel, on YouTube as well.
00:09:01.440 And I will also talk about that a lot here on my podcast.
00:09:04.840 So as I said, I did post that interview in August on my YouTube channel, August of last year.
00:09:12.100 That was just after It Ends With Us had premiered in theatres and people had already started speculating if there was any something going on between Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively,
00:09:23.800 why they were never in photos together, why they weren't promoting the movie together.
00:09:28.960 There were rumors and there had also been, I think at that point, there had been some articles out speculating that something was going on.
00:09:36.820 I did not know about the feud that was going on on the set at that time.
00:09:41.060 I had no idea.
00:09:42.680 I know people really, really wanted me to have an agenda or a hidden motive here for posting that interview, but I didn't really.
00:09:51.940 I came back from Europe.
00:09:53.080 I just had a long vacation and I was invited to go to a screening of It Ends With Us.
00:10:00.140 So I brought my partner, Magnus, who's also an entertainment reporter who also have interviewed Blake Lively many times.
00:10:07.500 And we went to see the movie and I really didn't like it.
00:10:11.620 I thought the movie, I remember coming out of the movie and my first reaction was saying to Magnus, like,
00:10:16.820 this feels like a movie about Blake Lively's hair.
00:10:20.040 There was so much hair in the movie.
00:10:22.180 Anyways, we also talked about how terrible that rooftop scene was.
00:10:26.940 It was so cliche.
00:10:28.140 And now, as we know, we've learned afterwards that Ryan Reynolds actually wrote that scene.
00:10:34.160 But anyways, back to my car ride home with Magnus.
00:10:37.340 And I was like, oh, my God, I had this awful interview with Blake Lively in 2016.
00:10:42.200 And we talked about her and he doesn't like her either.
00:10:45.120 And I was like, should I just post that on YouTube?
00:10:47.980 And he was like, yeah, why not?
00:10:49.880 And because at that point, I was not longer doing these kind of interviews.
00:10:55.060 It's been a year since I did my latest, my last interview before that, which was actually with, I think, Robert De Niro and Kim Cattrall.
00:11:03.080 They were my last interviews that I did in these kind of settings.
00:11:06.800 And so I was like, I don't care now.
00:11:09.420 I can post it.
00:11:10.320 I don't care if people are canceling me because I'm kind of have a foot out of Hollywood now.
00:11:15.100 So I don't really care about being canceled.
00:11:17.220 So then the next morning, I decided to put out the interview.
00:11:20.460 And nothing really happened for the first like two days.
00:11:25.140 And then all of a sudden, it started having a spike.
00:11:28.440 And then this other journalist that I know sent me a clip from TikTok, someone making fun of Blake Lively and her outfits in the movie.
00:11:36.640 And I was like, oh, that's funny.
00:11:38.780 More people don't like Blake Lively.
00:11:40.720 What I didn't know at that point was that there was this whole movement against her already happening.
00:11:47.160 And people were reacting very badly or strongly to her promotion of the movie, which was about DVE, as you know.
00:11:56.500 And she was continued.
00:11:58.100 She just kind of kept talking about how you should wear your florals and bring your girlfriends. 0.99
00:12:03.700 And at the same time, selling her new hair products and also her booze, Betty Booze and Betty Buzz.
00:12:10.740 So people were like, why don't you talk about the subject of the movie?
00:12:13.580 So at that point, there was already a lot of negative reactions on social media.
00:12:19.160 And then when I posted that interview, everything exploded.
00:12:23.880 It was everywhere.
00:12:25.000 My friends in Norway were like, you know, my daughter showed me this on TikTok.
00:12:29.700 I didn't even put it on TikTok myself.
00:12:31.480 It ended up there.
00:12:32.400 And they were like, everyone's talking about this interview.
00:12:34.500 And she was so rude to you. 1.00
00:12:35.580 And my friend who was on vacation in Croatia, she was like, I was walking in front of these people from Australia.
00:12:44.100 And they were like, have you heard that interview with Blake Lively?
00:12:47.740 Where she's saying like, congrats on your little bump.
00:12:50.180 And she sent it to me.
00:12:51.180 It was so funny.
00:12:51.720 I was like, oh, my God, this interview is everywhere.
00:12:54.560 I did not expect that to happen at all.
00:12:58.040 And the thing is, I did not expect people to actually reach out to me in support.
00:13:04.300 Because before this, I've always experienced if a celebrity was not behaving very nicely or kind of came off as a little rude to me,
00:13:13.280 people, not only the publicist or the studios would blame it on me, but also the public.
00:13:18.960 When I posted things on YouTube, they would be like, oh, it's the journalist.
00:13:22.280 Because, you know, a lot of people really love their celebrities and they don't want them to look bad.
00:13:28.640 So I, as I said, was not expecting all the amazing support that I got.
00:13:33.200 I got so many beautiful emails from people supporting me saying, you know, this has helped me.
00:13:38.200 I'm so glad that you're exposing bullying like this.
00:13:41.100 So, yeah, that was a really big shock to me.
00:13:44.200 And then Daily Mail contacted me and other outlets started contacting me.
00:13:48.740 TMZ, everyone wanted an interview with me.
00:13:50.780 And I was like, oh, my God, what am I going to say here?
00:13:53.120 It felt really awkward for me being on the other side of things because I am usually the one interviewing people.
00:14:00.060 And then all of a sudden I was being interviewed myself about an interview that I did.
00:14:04.620 And I didn't remember all the details from eight years ago.
00:14:07.920 It was over eight years ago since I'd done the interview.
00:14:10.400 But everyone was like, what did it feel like?
00:14:12.380 And what were you thinking?
00:14:14.240 You know, there were so many stories.
00:14:15.880 And then everything started kind of spinning out of control.
00:14:18.820 There were all these conspiracy theories getting root on TikTok, on Instagram.
00:14:24.200 And I completely lost control of the situation.
00:14:27.380 And I was like, wow, now people are starting to make up their own theories about what happened.
00:14:31.480 There were stories that I was told not to mention her pregnancy beforehand.
00:14:36.060 There were even stories saying that I had gone up and touched her belly before the interview started.
00:14:40.560 Yeah, people just love making up conspiracy theories.
00:14:43.940 So I decided I'm going to go on YouTube myself and talk about what had happened so that I can clear up all misunderstandings about what happened before the camera started rolling.
00:14:55.560 And before the camera started rolling, nothing had happened.
00:14:59.120 And I sat down and I told my name into the camera, which you do before you start doing these interviews.
00:15:06.000 And that was it.
00:15:07.240 Because, you know, you have five minutes, sometimes four.
00:15:11.260 This interview for me was supposed to be a double slot because I was doing an interview for a German TV show and a Norwegian TV show.
00:15:19.040 So they had given me double time.
00:15:20.780 They did cut the interview short.
00:15:23.200 And you probably understand why when you if you watch the video, it is on my YouTube channel.
00:15:29.200 If you want to go and watch it, if you haven't seen it yet.
00:15:31.500 And it's called the interview, the Blake Lively interview that made me want to quit my job, which it did.
00:15:37.840 Because when I left that room, I was like, wow, I don't want to do this anymore.
00:15:41.640 It was awful.
00:15:42.740 And, you know, when things like that happen, you start looking inward.
00:15:45.400 It's like, was it my fault?
00:15:47.180 Did I say anything?
00:15:48.220 Am I bad at my job?
00:15:50.080 So, yeah.
00:15:51.740 And that was, of course, another reason why I didn't want to post it, because I wasn't proud of the interview in any way.
00:15:58.480 But anyway, so I started this new series on YouTube where I talked a lot about this interview at first.
00:16:04.860 And then I started talking about my other experiences with other celebrities.
00:16:09.040 So if you go back to my videos from October, November, there's a lot of my, you know, inside scoops from what it's like to interview celebrities.
00:16:18.640 I also did some videos about my favorite actors to interview and the ones that I'm not so found of.
00:16:24.980 But anyways, I continued doing that.
00:16:27.300 And then another bomb hits.
00:16:30.200 On December 21st, I was in bed still.
00:16:33.980 And my partner, Magnus, was reading New York Times.
00:16:37.460 And I woke up and he's like, oh, my God, you're in trouble.
00:16:41.580 And I was like, what?
00:16:43.160 Why?
00:16:43.900 What's happened?
00:16:44.820 And he's like, I'm going to read this story for you.
00:16:47.520 And he wrote the article and he read the article from the New York Times called We Can Bury Anyone.
00:16:55.420 It was about how Blake Lively had been S-H'd on the set of It Ends With Us and how Justin Baldoni and Wayfair and his team had created a smear campaign against her as retaliation.
00:17:11.980 And in the article, I was mentioned there was a picture of me as well saying that Kersti Flo, the Norwegian reporter, it's not the first time that she has been linked to Melissa Nathan, who was the crisis PR manager that Justin Baldoni had hired.
00:17:31.880 They mentioned that I also had posted an interview with Johnny Depp back in 2020 or something like that.
00:17:40.300 I don't remember exactly, but it was when Johnny Depp was in the lawsuit with Amber Heard.
00:17:45.440 And I had posted an old interview I had done with Johnny Depp with no context, really.
00:17:51.380 I just hashtagged it justice for Johnny Depp.
00:17:54.360 And that was the reason why they said that I had been working or they insinuated very strongly that I had been working with Justin Baldoni's team and the Wayfairer team.
00:18:07.820 So at that point, I went from being the reporter who exposed a bully to being a corrupt journalist who is willing to do anything for money.
00:18:19.500 And I had no ethics and it was horrible.
00:18:22.560 I received so many hate mails from people.
00:18:26.240 It was disturbing.
00:18:27.320 I couldn't open my Instagram myself.
00:18:29.540 I had to give my phone to Magnus to say, can you please just block these people?
00:18:33.620 I don't want to see it.
00:18:34.860 It was awful.
00:18:35.800 It was during Christmas.
00:18:37.020 As you know, this is when Blake Lively filed that CRD complaint and it was Christmas time.
00:18:44.420 So Justin Baldoni's team had no time to respond because the courts were closed.
00:18:50.440 It was very well calculated.
00:18:52.560 From her team to do that just before Christmas.
00:18:55.740 And of course, she ruined Justin Baldoni's Christmas and all his employees at Wayfairer's Christmas.
00:19:02.640 But he also, she also ruined my Christmas.
00:19:05.920 It was awful.
00:19:07.300 I felt terrible and I felt I couldn't really defend myself.
00:19:11.400 I went on my YouTube channel and I talked about it and said, you know, I had nothing to do with this.
00:19:16.600 But people didn't believe me.
00:19:18.200 They were like, have you seen what he did to Blake Lively?
00:19:20.820 It's so awful what he did to her.
00:19:22.820 And you were a part of that.
00:19:24.700 You were dragging down another woman. 0.73
00:19:27.200 You're a woman hater. 1.00
00:19:28.120 I got so many awful, awful comments.
00:19:31.980 And it was so heartbreaking for me because I've always put ethics, journalism and ethics really high.
00:19:37.340 And to see that New York Times did this.
00:19:41.680 And I was the only person in that article that was mentioned that they did not contact for a comment.
00:19:49.840 So they never reached out to me.
00:19:52.660 They just insinuated that I had been a part of this horrific smear campaign, alleged horrific smear campaign against Blake Lively.
00:20:01.240 So I reached out to New York Times myself and I said, hey, what's going on here?
00:20:05.660 Why didn't you contact me?
00:20:06.840 And this is not true.
00:20:08.140 You should have asked me for a comment here.
00:20:11.320 What is your, you know, that's just like regular journalistic due diligence, you know, that you do that.
00:20:18.440 It's rule number one in journalism.
00:20:20.440 You can't just report on something without checking the source.
00:20:23.900 And they had my email.
00:20:25.680 They already did an article about me a couple of months earlier.
00:20:28.780 Actually, they did a little profile on me in New York Times saying that she's the one calling out the bullies in Hollywood, which was a nice article, by the way.
00:20:37.140 New York Times responded to me and said that, oh, we can't correct this.
00:20:41.440 That's not possible.
00:20:42.860 We can add your statement in her saying that you had nothing to do with it.
00:20:47.360 But everyone had already read the article by then.
00:20:49.620 So it didn't make any difference.
00:20:51.380 And the fact that they didn't want to correct it says a lot to me.
00:20:55.280 They didn't want to take responsibility for spreading misinformation about me and about, you know, it's damaging for not only my career, but also for me personally, that people don't trust me.
00:21:10.120 And being accused of lying is horrible.
00:21:14.620 And for me, I always try to be as transparent as possible.
00:21:17.260 And when you're being accused of something like that and you can't really come out and defend yourself, except going on my YouTube channel and say, hey, I didn't do it.
00:21:26.320 That is just an awful feeling.
00:21:28.160 Anyways, after a horrific Christmas, Justin Baldoni finally filed his counter lawsuit against Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.
00:21:39.520 And he came with all the receipts.
00:21:42.740 It was such a wonderful day for me because I feel like, OK, finally, if they see his receipts, they understand that I did not take part in this alleged smear campaign.
00:21:53.640 And things started to shift.
00:21:55.820 And it was such a great feeling.
00:21:57.760 And yeah, I was so happy that day when I started reading everything.
00:22:01.740 And the thing is, for me, because I knew what they said about me in that New York Times article wasn't true.
00:22:08.100 I doubted a lot of the other stuff, too, in that article, because I was like, why?
00:22:13.140 If they're trying to lie about me, what else is a lie in here?
00:22:17.120 And now that we've seen the evidence, we understand that a lot of these text messages, all of them, were taken out of context.
00:22:26.380 And they were cherry picked to create a narrative that was pro-Blake Lively.
00:22:32.040 And as we know, New York Times never really reached out to Baldoni's team until like, I don't think, even 24 hours before they were actually publishing the article.
00:22:40.820 And they ended up publishing the article before they actually said they were going to.
00:22:45.080 Anyways, the narrative started to shift.
00:22:47.780 But the traditional media did not shift the narrative.
00:22:50.400 They kept pushing for Blake Lively's side, saying that, you know, she was a victim.
00:22:56.380 And even though Justin Baldoni's team kept coming out with more information, they even created this website where they published so many text messages and emails.
00:23:07.480 And everyone who digged into it was more and more shocked.
00:23:10.860 And we started understanding that Blake Lively's real motivation and goal here was to take over the entire movie with the help from Ryan Reynolds, her husband.
00:23:23.520 There was so much evidence proving that she had taken over every single department of the movie from costume to music to even rewriting the script or Ryan Reynolds rewriting the script to the editing process.
00:23:41.380 We learned that she that her version of the movie was the one that hit theaters and Justin Baldoni, who was the director of the movie and the producer, he had not even seen the final product before the premiere.
00:23:53.760 We also learned that Justin Baldoni was being sent into the basement with his family and friends at the premiere because Blake Lively did not allow him to appear at the same time as her on the red carpet.
00:24:07.620 So he was shushed away as soon as she arrived and put in the basement and they had to watch the movie in another theater.
00:24:13.800 More and more and more of this information kept seeping out and people started really turning against Blake Lively for a reason.
00:24:22.960 And that's also when I started doing daily updates about this drama on my YouTube channel.
00:24:29.660 As I said many times, there's so many layers to this drama that I find interesting.
00:24:34.600 The whole media aspect of it and how traditional media is still portraying Blake Lively as the victim here.
00:24:41.460 And also the publicist world, the PR world and how dirty everything is.
00:24:47.440 And also the big egos, the narcissism and how all this power play behind the scenes is playing out.
00:24:55.420 Not only from the actors themselves like Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively, but also their management teams, you know, WME, which was representing Justin Baldoni as well, who fired him like two hours after this article was published.
00:25:11.460 And as the days and weeks and gone by, there's a new story almost every single day.
00:25:16.520 And everyone's been really kind of shocked by how Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds have been out in public so many times.
00:25:25.020 And just showing off on red carpets and pretending everything's fine in contradiction to everything she was saying in the lawsuit against Justin Baldoni.
00:25:33.380 That she was, you know, mortified and she couldn't leave the house.
00:25:37.260 She had anxiety and sleeping issues and all that.
00:25:39.420 And, you know, and she comes off as the complete opposite when you look at her and the way she behaves in public. 1.00
00:25:45.880 At the same time, Justin Baldoni has kept quiet and just like been with his family and close friends around him in Hawaii.
00:25:53.400 He has done one public post on Instagram since this happened, which was to say happy Mother's Day to his wife and his mother.
00:26:01.600 And while Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds keep pushing products every day, Blake Lively just released a new product from her hair care line, Blake Brown, which is a mist that you can buy on Target.
00:26:14.320 And talk about irony, especially when she sued Justin Baldoni for one of the things she sued him for was that he smelled her and said she smelled nice.
00:26:24.940 And she said that that was very uncomfortable for her in her lawsuit while he said what really happened, which we saw on video evidence, that she said, oh, I smell bad for myself, Tan.
00:26:35.740 And he was like, no, you smell good.
00:26:37.200 So, yeah, anyways, now she's selling a mist because smell and scent is so important to her.
00:26:43.620 But don't you dare tell anyone that she smells good.
00:26:47.640 Another reason incident that happened, as you all know, probably, is that Taylor Swift was dragged into this.
00:26:54.260 She was dragged into this from the beginning when Blake Lively was bragging about her being with her the entire time of this shoot of the It Ends With Us.
00:27:02.740 She was such a support to her and she called her a dragon in an email threatening Justin Baldoni that if he didn't do what she said, she had dragons to back her up, pointing at Taylor Swift.
00:27:16.220 And it's been a little over a week now since we learned the news that Blake Lively had been blackmailing Taylor Swift.
00:27:24.340 She had received no public support from her and apparently, according to Justin Baldoni's lawyer, Brian Friedman, he had spoken to Taylor Swift's father, Scott Swift, who could tell him that Blake Lively had sent an email or Blake Lively's lawyers had sent an email to Taylor Swift's lawyers saying that if she didn't support her publicly,
00:27:48.740 she would leak 10 years of text messages and communication between them to the public or to the press, she had also allegedly asked Taylor or demanded that Taylor delete the text messages between them.
00:28:06.180 It's quite funny because I'm thinking she was going to leak all the text messages, but before that, she was going to delete all the text messages between them.
00:28:13.800 So I'm thinking she's probably going to leak all the text messages where Taylor Swift was talking about her exes or her current boyfriend, Travis Kelsey, while Blake would, of course, cherry pick the text that she wanted to leak.
00:28:28.360 And she would obviously not leak the text between her and Taylor where they talked about things that could contradict things that she's been saying in her lawsuit.
00:28:38.880 I mean, there's a reason why she wanted Taylor Swift to delete conversations between them. 0.99
00:28:46.000 There's something in there that Justin Baldoni's team can use.
00:28:49.400 Another bomb that we learned about recently is that Blake Lively's team filed a so-called sham lawsuit to get a subpoena to get hold of a phone that was owned by Jennifer Abel,
00:29:04.480 who had left Jones' work, which was the company that represented Justin Baldoni.
00:29:10.520 And her former boss, Stephanie Jones, had her phone that she took from her when she left the company.
00:29:17.120 And it's been quite obvious so far that Stephanie Jones had a little peek at that phone to see what she could find on her former employee because she did not want her to leave her company and start her own.
00:29:29.760 And she was afraid that she was going to take clients with her.
00:29:32.400 So she wanted to punish her ex-employee. 0.95
00:29:35.900 So she found some text messages that she thought Blake Lively's team could find interesting.
00:29:40.820 So she made a phone call to Leslie Sloan and told her about these text messages that ended up in the New York Times.
00:29:48.920 And Leslie Sloan was thinking, oh, how can we get these text messages legally?
00:29:53.080 Let's file a sham lawsuit so we can get a subpoena and get the phone legally. 0.96
00:29:58.900 And that was the only phone that they subpoena.
00:30:02.520 They didn't subpoena Stephanie Jones' phone or anyone else who'd been working with Justin Baldoni on the Wayfair or the Wayfair.
00:30:11.180 It was the only phone that they wanted to get a hold of, which is so obvious that Stephanie Jones had made that phone call
00:30:18.360 or contacted Leslie Sloan to ask her or to tell her that she had this evidence.
00:30:23.280 Also, before that subpoena was actually given to Stephanie Jones, Leslie Sloan had called Melissa Nathan to tell her that she had seen the text messages.
00:30:37.900 Melissa Nathan was working for TAG, which was the PR crisis management team that Justin Baldoni had hired when things started looking bad for him.
00:30:47.960 And he started learning that Blake Lively was after him.
00:30:51.620 When this news broke, it was clear that Justin Baldoni's lawyer didn't even know about this.
00:30:57.660 And Blake Lively's team responded that this is normal procedure, that these things are happening all the time,
00:31:05.220 that people file a sham lawsuits against 10 anonymous people, because that's what they did.
00:31:11.000 They filed a lawsuit against 10 unknown people because they didn't know what they were actually looking for.
00:31:16.600 They just knew that people had been creating a smear campaign against Blake Lively,
00:31:22.520 and they were trying to find out who and what was involved, who was involved.
00:31:27.240 So they filed it against unknown people.
00:31:29.700 And the day before that article was published in The New York Times, that lawsuit was just like canceled.
00:31:36.880 They just withdrew the whole lawsuit.
00:31:40.560 So it was clear that the only reason why they had filed that through their company called Van Zand,
00:31:46.960 which was this really shady company owned by Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively,
00:31:51.600 that the only reason why they did that was to get hold of that phone.
00:31:55.460 And it's been recent discovery now that Stephanie Jones had actually had access to Jennifer Abel's iCloud until recently and been snooping around there.
00:32:06.340 So there's so much development in this story all the time.
00:32:11.340 OK, so I'm going to round this up now.
00:32:12.620 Thank you, everyone, for listening to my first episode of Flawsome Talk.
00:32:17.060 I'm going to do this podcast every week, every Friday, and I'm going to do a little recap of the week so you know what's going on with this case and also other things happening in Hollywood.
00:32:28.460 And sometimes I'll throw in some personal experiences I had with these people.
00:32:33.340 And of course, please contact me, flawsometalk at gmail.com.
00:32:37.340 If you have anything you want to share with me or you want me to talk about, I am also, as I said, on YouTube.
00:32:43.240 So you can also comment there or send me a DM on my Instagram at KerstiFlaw.
00:32:49.800 And yeah, thanks for listening and have a wonderful weekend.
00:32:54.280 Bye!