Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - March 09, 2026


Hollywood is LOSING IT !!


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In this episode, Magnus and Kjell talk about how plastic surgery is ruining the beauty standards in Hollywood and why we need a face positive Hollywood. They talk about why it's more important for actors to look young and beautiful on a red carpet than it is to win an Oscar.

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00:00:00.000 These actors now, it's more important for them to look young and beautiful on a red carpet than it actually is to win an Oscar.
00:00:09.320 I really think what we need now is a new term for not body positivity, but for we need a face positivity, I think.
00:00:20.600 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Kjærskli Flård, journalist, Hollywood truth teller and your voice of reason in a town built on the illusion.
00:00:28.000 And this is Magnus.
00:00:30.000 He is also a journalist who's been there since the 90s.
00:00:35.800 What?
00:00:36.540 Yeah.
00:00:37.060 So we were just watching SAG Awards or Actor Awards the other day and we were like, who is that person?
00:00:43.960 And you were like, who is that person?
00:00:45.880 And then we realized they were all people we knew, but we could not recognize them anymore.
00:00:51.620 This is what happened to Hollywood now.
00:00:53.640 People have done so much to their faces that we don't know who they are anymore when they show up.
00:01:01.180 Well, one good example, of course, is Jim Carrey, isn't it?
00:01:04.160 I mean, people are still debating whether it was him or a body double that showed up in France to accept a Lifetime Achievement Award.
00:01:12.280 Imagine that you have to actually come out and say publicly, like state that you were actually there.
00:01:18.340 So far, this has gone.
00:01:20.420 And now we are gearing up for the Oscars next weekend.
00:01:24.200 And of course, we are going to see all of these faces on the red carpet.
00:01:30.060 And I had this thought this morning.
00:01:31.720 It seems like these actors now, it's more important for them to look young and beautiful on a red carpet than it actually is to win an Oscar.
00:01:42.480 Well, what you're saying is it's more important to get kudos for how you look than to be able to portray feelings on screen.
00:01:51.020 Yeah.
00:01:51.320 It's sort of, that's how it...
00:01:52.340 I think so.
00:01:53.200 I mean, Jessie Buckley has won every award so far this year, and she's one of those few people with a real face.
00:01:58.960 Yeah, but she's so young. 0.99
00:02:00.200 That she's young, but still a lot of young people do so much to their faces.
00:02:03.800 But this is what Hollywood, this is like the reality now that we can't recognize people anymore.
00:02:09.860 And do you think that it will lower the chances for someone to win an award or to win an Oscar if you have done so much to your face?
00:02:20.080 Well, obviously, if you can't portray feelings on screen because your face is so stiff and so full of stuff.
00:02:26.940 I mean, yeah, it should affect your chances of winning an award.
00:02:33.140 Yeah, and this is not about dissing people who, a lot of them look just really beautiful and really amazing.
00:02:39.860 But it is really taking a toll on their acting, I think, because they're so unbelievable on screen now because they can't move their faces anymore.
00:02:49.860 Imagine being a director, and then in the middle of the shoot, someone shows up with a new face.
00:02:56.320 Yes.
00:02:57.060 Kind of, but it has happened.
00:02:58.960 I mean, there was a big scandal way, way back when Mellon Griffith showed up with new breasts, basically, during the bonfire of the vanities.
00:03:10.060 But nowadays, they show up with new faces instead.
00:03:12.860 I think it's really sad.
00:03:14.340 And I have to say, because there is so much focus on the exterior that that's what everyone's talking about.
00:03:23.060 After an award show, it's always like, look how beautiful she is.
00:03:27.020 Like Demi Moore the other day, when she showed up at Fashion Week, and everyone's, oh, she looks so good for 62. 0.51
00:03:34.480 But it's all about her looks.
00:03:36.200 It's not about what she has achieved, or if she said something interesting.
00:03:40.240 Have you, do you remember she said anything interesting in the last couple of years in interviews?
00:03:43.960 That's something that you're like, oh, Demi Moore.
00:03:46.060 Nothing that I remember.
00:03:48.460 We all remember that, you know, the big change, right?
00:03:51.380 And how.
00:03:52.640 She came out again, like she hasn't, she wasn't being a public person for so many years.
00:03:57.080 And all of a sudden she shows up and everyone's like, wow, she looks amazing.
00:04:01.740 And last year, when she was rewarded People Magazine, most beautiful woman of the year, I was like.
00:04:10.560 Yeah, what are we, what are we celebrating here?
00:04:12.800 Right, we are celebrating plastic surgery.
00:04:16.060 And I think that's really terrible in so many ways.
00:04:20.400 And I watched, I showed you that interview I saw with Kate Winslet, who is like one of those actually real faces that are left.
00:04:28.480 And she said something really, really powerful.
00:04:31.180 I find it really sad and, and really very, very worrying.
00:04:36.140 And that's why looking like a normal person, having a face that moves, having all of the wrinkles that my 50 years hopefully show.
00:04:44.260 Um, that matters a great deal because I, again, I want to lead by example.
00:04:50.160 I want for young women to look at my body, my face and go, oh, that's a normal one. 0.94
00:04:55.280 You know, there might not be that many of us being the normal ones, but it's important and it matters.
00:05:01.260 And I know that the women in my industry who I, I admire the most of all, they're completely normal, gorgeous, beautiful women at the age of 70, 75, 80.
00:05:10.760 Yes.
00:05:11.160 She said there's so few real role models anymore for younger people.
00:05:14.740 And I completely agree with her.
00:05:17.880 And it's so rare that you see a face like Kate Winslet out there anymore.
00:05:23.960 And, um...
00:05:24.360 Well, that's why people are so shocked and they think someone looks super old when in fact they're just, you know, regular, it's regular age.
00:05:31.560 Yeah.
00:05:31.840 I think it happened to, what's her name?
00:05:33.500 Maggie Gyllenhaal.
00:05:34.780 Yes, I saw that.
00:05:35.800 There was a photo of her and people were saying, oh my God, she looks so old. 0.96
00:05:39.540 That was really heartbreaking when I saw that, that she got so much backlash for like having a real face.
00:05:46.740 What do you think about the guys doing this though?
00:05:49.240 I mean, Bradley Cooper, when he showed up with that face and everyone's like, I mean, they didn't think he was a clone, but everyone's like, is that Bradley Cooper?
00:05:57.560 He got a lot of flack for that.
00:05:59.040 Yeah.
00:05:59.300 I understand it, but, you know, it's sad, isn't it?
00:06:02.060 You understand why he did it?
00:06:03.700 Well, you know, didn't we talk about this the other day?
00:06:06.700 Growing old is sort of like, you know, what did you say?
00:06:09.380 You said it best.
00:06:10.220 I actually read this on Instagram from a woman.
00:06:12.900 So it wasn't your own thought.
00:06:13.900 No, it wasn't my own thought, but I really liked what she said.
00:06:16.900 And she said something about it being a grieving process.
00:06:20.280 Like we are grieving that our old and we are so connected to our looks and think that that is our identity.
00:06:27.620 And we are grieving when we seeing that that old me is disappearing and you're turning into someone else externally, but then you are the same person inside and you need to find the confidence of being that person that you are.
00:06:43.800 And you've always been, even though your external self is changing and she called it grieving.
00:06:50.700 And I think that's so true.
00:06:52.100 Are you grieving over?
00:06:53.900 We're getting older.
00:06:55.600 Well, you know, it is.
00:06:56.900 You sort of just have to accept it.
00:06:58.580 But yeah.
00:06:59.480 It's hard.
00:07:00.260 I mean, it's hard for you too.
00:07:01.420 I know.
00:07:02.500 What?
00:07:02.740 We do talk about these things, you know.
00:07:07.080 Did you see this line before?
00:07:08.760 Do I get gray hair now?
00:07:10.760 So, I mean, it is hard for everyone and everyone, if you're lucky, you're going through it.
00:07:16.900 It's better than the alternative, right?
00:07:18.920 Yeah.
00:07:19.400 I think it's especially hard for actresses who have been celebrated for their looks and for their beauty their whole life.
00:07:28.100 It's even harder for them, I think, to accept aging than it is for regular people because they are also, you know, everyone is studying them every time they come out in public, especially on a red carpet.
00:07:42.140 You know, you zoom in and like, what is that?
00:07:44.040 She looks, you know, she looks different there.
00:07:46.120 Did she gain weight? 0.97
00:07:47.000 Did she lose weight? 0.83
00:07:48.080 What is she wearing?
00:07:49.500 You know, all those things that they're being judged on all the time.
00:07:52.820 Bodies are changing too now, right? 0.97
00:07:54.500 I mean, for a long time, we talked about body positivity.
00:07:58.100 Yes, we did talk about body positivity.
00:08:00.520 Body positivity is dead, according to everyone in Hollywood right now.
00:08:04.780 It kind of is, isn't it?
00:08:06.240 And, you know, for a while that we were supposed to celebrate it and be proud and love your curves and shapes and forms.
00:08:12.400 And now all of a sudden we're supposed to weigh, you know, 40 pounds.
00:08:16.600 Not celebrate your curves, like no curves whatsoever.
00:08:20.680 I mean, looking at Demi Moore again, the way she looked, of course, she's always been skinny. 0.98
00:08:26.280 You met her many times.
00:08:27.520 What was your impression with Demi Moore when you interviewed her?
00:08:30.040 Well, I met her, you know, back in the 90s when she was super big. 0.54
00:08:34.800 And she is a lot more, she's a lot nicer nowadays, you can say that.
00:08:40.940 Oh, she wasn't wearing nice?
00:08:41.840 Well, you know, she was with Bruce Willis back in the days.
00:08:44.580 And, you know, they were the biggest thing that Hollywood had seen in a long, long time.
00:08:49.320 And, of course, you know, I can defend her because I think it's impossible to go through what they went through and have that kind of fame without, you know, derailing a bit, lose your sort of sense of self.
00:09:07.080 I'm being nice now, but I mean, you know, I think it would even the most level-headed person would be affected.
00:09:14.140 And, you know, she came from a kind of a broken background, so I'm sure, you know, she didn't have the best base to start with.
00:09:21.680 And he, how was he, what was he like?
00:09:23.920 Side note here.
00:09:25.500 Well, he was, you know, he was macho.
00:09:27.220 He was a, you know, he was the biggest action star for a while.
00:09:30.240 And it was funny in that sense because he was an action star without having big muscles like Arnold and Sly and those guys.
00:09:35.860 No, that's true.
00:09:36.580 He had a sense of humor.
00:09:37.680 That was his weapon.
00:09:38.720 Yeah, there you go.
00:09:39.380 Yeah.
00:09:39.680 Secret.
00:09:40.340 Anyways, talking about Demi Moore's transformation.
00:09:44.140 And also people like Amy Schuber, who used to be body positivity. 1.00
00:09:49.080 Oh, she really was, wasn't she?
00:09:50.720 And now, past, post-Ozempe, she deleted all her pictures on Instagram before she got skinny. 0.53
00:09:57.900 Before the weight loss.
00:09:59.040 Yeah.
00:09:59.940 But it has nothing to do with that she was ashamed of her.
00:10:02.680 No, no, no.
00:10:04.060 It was just random that she chose all those photos to delete.
00:10:07.500 Yeah.
00:10:07.580 I mean, they, the fact that people don't want to even be identified by the person they were pre-Ozempe, that is really, really scary to me.
00:10:20.500 And talking about that, Kelly Osbourne, like the way she looks now.
00:10:24.800 Well, to defend her, then, I can be the defender of Kelly Osbourne.
00:10:30.160 Yeah, I can be the defender.
00:10:31.360 Because her father passed away last year and she says she's been so affected by it that she lost her appetite.
00:10:39.100 Yeah, I know her excuse for it.
00:10:41.540 And I do feel really sorry for her because I think she needs help.
00:10:45.400 She looks very unhealthy at this point.
00:10:47.520 You said you lost weight when your parents passed, right?
00:10:50.080 No, I don't think so.
00:10:51.240 You gained weight?
00:10:53.540 I never, I'm never at a point, even how depressed I am, I would never lose my appetite for some reason.
00:10:59.620 I'm always like...
00:11:00.360 You might eat more.
00:11:01.600 Yeah, I think you are the same.
00:11:03.040 Oh, for sure.
00:11:03.720 Yeah, yeah, we're always hungry.
00:11:05.520 Sounds like you don't believe that...
00:11:07.780 She's sad because of her dad.
00:11:09.360 She lost weight because of her dad.
00:11:10.920 I mean, that could be true.
00:11:12.740 But it's so severe.
00:11:14.840 It's so, like, scary thin that I think, you know, whatever the reason is.
00:11:20.500 I don't know, has she said that?
00:11:22.620 She looks like a different person.
00:11:23.600 Has she said she's not doing Olympic?
00:11:25.940 Has she even commented on that?
00:11:28.020 I think she denied it, but I need to go back and check that.
00:11:31.400 And looking at her mom, I mean, she's been very open about using Olympic and she lost so much weight.
00:11:37.640 What is the Olympic effect on a face?
00:11:40.100 You talked about this.
00:11:41.000 Yes, it's now called the Olympic face.
00:11:43.460 And it looks like Kelly Osborne's face.
00:11:46.800 Your face changes, obviously.
00:11:48.360 You lose fat and you lose muscle as well.
00:11:51.740 You know, it starts looking more saggy and howled.
00:11:55.680 Like, what do you call it?
00:11:56.580 Like a hollow.
00:11:58.340 And have you seen that?
00:12:00.160 Especially on someone like her.
00:12:01.860 I'm not going to talk badly about Kelly because I feel like, as I said, I think she needs help.
00:12:06.180 I think she really is in a very unhealthy place.
00:12:09.380 And she has come out and criticized people for talking about it.
00:12:13.480 I have a question for you.
00:12:14.640 Yeah.
00:12:15.700 If Olympic had existed 10 years ago, do you think we would have had the term body positivity?
00:12:23.860 Probably not.
00:12:25.560 Really?
00:12:25.800 I don't know.
00:12:26.740 I don't know.
00:12:27.880 Didn't body positivity come from like COVID in a sense that everyone was sitting at home eating?
00:12:33.380 And then we were like, it's okay to gain a little weight or it's okay to have like big curves.
00:12:39.400 But then I think it went too far as well, which is not healthy either.
00:12:44.120 That it's just, oh, you can be obese.
00:12:47.060 And then that's also, you know, a good role model, which I don't think it is because it's unhealthy.
00:12:53.380 Everything that's unhealthy should not be looked at as being a role model.
00:12:58.040 I really think what we need now is a new term for not body positivity, but for, we need a face positivity, I think.
00:13:05.860 We need to learn to accept our old faces.
00:13:09.620 Yes.
00:13:10.600 Face positivity.
00:13:12.160 I really like that.
00:13:12.920 Even better.
00:13:13.320 Yes.
00:13:15.240 I really support that.
00:13:17.420 And I think, like I said in the beginning of this episode as well, I don't want to shade anyone for doing things.
00:13:23.440 I mean, if someone told me you can take this pill and look amazing, like they did in that movie, of course, you know, you want to look your best.
00:13:32.320 But I think at this point, it's just gone so far.
00:13:34.880 It's just gone too far.
00:13:36.500 And all these people that we look up to in Hollywood that are not just good examples anymore.
00:13:43.840 Yeah, when we, you know, when there's a long debate going on after someone shows up on the red carpet, whether or not they were body double, then it has gone very far.
00:13:53.840 Yeah.
00:13:54.740 And every video, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm interested in this on my Instagram feed, is about what did this person do?
00:14:01.140 They did this, they lifted here, they put it here.
00:14:03.760 You know, all the things that they've done.
00:14:05.620 There's a big industry out there now, you know, with plastic surgeons commenting on all of the stuff that the celebrities have done.
00:14:12.600 And it's almost like they need awards for their plastic surgeons, like Demi Moore's plastic surgeons.
00:14:19.780 I mean, he did an amazing job.
00:14:22.600 But again, the celebration of this kind of beauty, I don't think it's a good thing.
00:14:28.280 I think really celebration of beauty is not a good thing to begin with.
00:14:31.980 Do you have like beauty contests, like beauty shows in or what do you call it?
00:14:36.920 Beauty competitions in Sweden?
00:14:38.000 That whole industry is almost dead in Northern Europe now.
00:14:41.220 Yeah, the Miss Universe and all that.
00:14:43.800 Yeah, I don't think we have that in Norway, even Miss Norway.
00:14:47.460 I haven't heard about that in decades.
00:14:49.900 Well, if we do, it's not big.
00:14:51.620 Yeah.
00:14:52.680 Well, so I don't think that's a good, you know, it's so passé to judge people on the way they look.
00:15:00.300 I mean.
00:15:00.780 But still, I mean, you know, the red carpets these days are bigger than they actually wore.
00:15:05.420 We do remember what people looked like or what they wore, but do we really remember who won what?
00:15:11.120 No.
00:15:12.000 Or maybe it's because there are too many of these shows.
00:15:14.640 So now it's going to be interesting to see the Oscars, what people actually look like on the red carpet.
00:15:19.580 But if they changed since the SAG Awards or the actor awards.
00:15:24.000 Or who's having a body double.
00:15:25.840 Who's having a body double.
00:15:27.320 If anyone is able to win an Oscar who has done a lot of stuff to their faces.
00:15:33.980 I think like someone like Nicole Kidman, she was really disappointed when she didn't win for Baby Girl, I think.
00:15:41.480 Was that last year or two years ago?
00:15:43.120 But I remember watching that movie and I could not watch it without just staring at her face the entire time.
00:15:48.960 Like, wow, it is not moving.
00:15:51.280 How am I going to invest into the feelings of this person that I watch if I can't see what she's feeling on her face?
00:15:59.420 I think it lessens the chances of winning an Oscar if your face is all done. 0.59
00:16:06.040 You think we have peaked now?
00:16:07.540 I think so.
00:16:08.300 Because it has.
00:16:09.120 I mean, she's been doing extremely well before.
00:16:11.380 And, you know, she's been, you know, the debate about this regarding her has been going on for quite a while.
00:16:18.340 Yeah, it really has.
00:16:19.580 But now everyone's following her footsteps.
00:16:22.320 Like even Kristen Wiig.
00:16:24.140 I was watching her at the Actor Awards.
00:16:26.940 I was like, who is that?
00:16:28.340 That is Kristen Wiig. 1.00
00:16:30.060 Might have been a body double.
00:16:31.420 She looked amazing.
00:16:33.180 She didn't look like Kristen Wiig anymore. 0.99
00:16:35.500 I was like, is that really her?
00:16:37.780 She looks like someone else.
00:16:40.140 I mean.
00:16:40.620 But she looked good, right?
00:16:41.880 And also, yeah, she looked amazing.
00:16:43.700 And also Alice and Jenny, those photos of her.
00:16:46.720 I was like, wow, who is that?
00:16:50.160 And that was her.
00:16:51.400 So, I mean.
00:16:52.500 Or her younger sister.
00:16:54.260 Or her younger sister.
00:16:56.160 I don't know.
00:16:56.960 What about Gwyneth Paltrow?
00:16:58.000 Gwyneth Paltrow, too.
00:16:59.040 She looks a little weird now.
00:17:00.500 I think, like I said before here on my show, I've said, you know, like our friend who's an actress who once told me, like, you come to an age where you have to choose between looking old or looking weird.
00:17:12.620 And a lot of people choose looking weird.
00:17:16.300 Anyways, that's it for us.
00:17:18.360 That was a good one.
00:17:19.460 Yeah, right?
00:17:21.920 Thank you so much for watching, you guys.
00:17:23.740 I really hope you enjoyed this episode.
00:17:25.600 Let us know what you think in the comments section.
00:17:27.520 Has it gone too far?
00:17:29.100 Can you invest in a character on a screen if the face is not possible?
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