Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - January 01, 2026


Hollywood says： GO AWAY, BLAKE !!

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Kjersti Flaa
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Blake Lively Justin Baldoni Lively Baldoni Taylor Swift Ryan Reynolds Van Zandt Wayfair Jennifer Lawrence Gwyneth Paltrow Brian Friedman Travis Kelsey Harvey Levin Jennifer Abel Flossom Talk Leslie Sloan Cameron Diaz Claire Ayub Jamie Heath Andy Signor Squid Game and 2 more
Everyone knows THEY'RE DONE !! This is GETTING real !!

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Blake Lively and Justy Baldoni are back in court, and this time it s a soap opera. Is it time to call it quits? Or is it time for a new season of .

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00:00:44.940 Hollywood had enough. It's over.
00:00:47.800 Yeah, we floss some talk.
00:00:52.940 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk.
00:00:54.700 I'm Sashdi Flohr, journalist, Hollywood truth teller,
00:00:57.160 and your voice of reason in a town built on the illusion.
00:01:01.460 Happy New Year's, everyone.
00:01:04.480 As you can see, I'm sitting here trying to dress up a little bit for you guys.
00:01:08.540 And I've also changed my background a little bit.
00:01:10.920 I'm moving things around in my studio to see what fits best.
00:01:14.260 And I actually do like this layout.
00:01:16.420 I think it's a little bit calmer and maybe looks a little more professional.
00:01:19.560 So, anyways, let me know what you think in the comment section.
00:01:23.600 And also, if you have other ideas, I'm always open for input and improvements.
00:01:28.920 Anyways, I hope you guys have some great plans for New Year's and that you're looking forward to 2026.
00:01:34.340 We were going to celebrate with some friends, but then they got sick.
00:01:37.000 So, then we're just going to be here by ourselves, dressing up for each other and Oscar and welcoming 2026 with open arms.
00:01:44.920 Anyways, Hollywood has spoken again.
00:01:47.940 And now they're calling Blake Lively's lawsuit a soap opera.
00:01:54.900 This is from The Hollywood Reporter, which is pretty major.
00:01:58.200 They were the ones who made that list a few days ago with the biggest winners and losers of 2025.
00:02:04.240 And Blake Lively was also on that list.
00:02:07.040 And today, they made a list of the biggest Hollywood bummers of 2025.
00:02:12.500 And you won't believe what they're saying about Blake Lively.
00:02:15.560 So, my big question now is, how is a jury ever going to believe anything Blake says when no one else does?
00:02:22.240 Also, in this episode, I wanted to look a little bit about how the media chose to cover this case
00:02:27.720 and how that has changed from when Blake Lively sued Justy Baldoni in December of 2024 until today
00:02:36.120 and how embarrassing this is for them.
00:02:39.500 Anyways, let's get into this Hollywood Reporter article.
00:02:42.720 So, it says here the biggest Hollywood bummers of 2025.
00:02:46.140 And then in a year of serious crisis, there was no shortage of minor annoyances from the decline of Squid Game
00:02:53.520 to the rise of Tilly Norwood, that AI actress, to the unending Lively Baldoni soap opera.
00:03:01.720 And then there's stories about other things, other big bummers of 2025 in Hollywood.
00:03:06.040 And then it says here, everybody in the Blake Lively Justy Baldoni saga is horrible.
00:03:12.020 I mean, that is pretty harsh.
00:03:15.860 I don't think everyone's horrible.
00:03:17.660 But I do think that we've seen the worst coming out in some people. 0.93
00:03:22.360 And we've seen how incredibly hypocritical Hollywood really is 0.99
00:03:27.200 and how many cowards there are with no moral compass. 0.98
00:03:31.800 Anyways, it continues to talk about this legal feud like this.
00:03:36.180 The only clear winner in the Blake Lively versus Justy Baldoni courtroom saga
00:03:40.860 was collective schadenfreude.
00:03:44.360 And that schadenfreude is not on Justy Baldoni's behalf.
00:03:48.800 We know that for sure.
00:03:50.620 They continue,
00:03:51.420 What began as a celebrity dispute ballooned into a rolling public demonstration
00:03:57.540 of how not to behave on set, in the media, or under oath.
00:04:04.200 Each new filing somehow made everyone involved look worse.
00:04:09.260 Choosing sides became impossible.
00:04:11.780 I don't think so.
00:04:12.960 It's not impossible.
00:04:13.920 I think it's very easy for people to choose a side here.
00:04:16.360 Although I'm not saying that Justy Baldoni's side is perfect in any way.
00:04:20.800 We've seen things, we've seen they say and do things as well
00:04:24.060 that I think could be questionable sometimes.
00:04:26.660 But I think everyone knows where the truth lays here.
00:04:29.940 And there's no more discussion about this SH.
00:04:33.860 It just kind of disappeared.
00:04:35.420 No one's talking about Blake Lively as a victim anymore.
00:04:38.940 Anyways, they continue.
00:04:40.500 Choosing sides became impossible.
00:04:42.200 And by the end, the prevailing emotion wasn't outrage or sympathy, but fatigue.
00:04:49.380 The kind that comes from watching very rich, very unpleasant people
00:04:54.840 litigate their privilege in public.
00:04:57.720 Yeah, one thing that we've learned from this is definitely how celebrity privilege and big
00:05:05.440 egos can cost you millions and millions and hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:05:11.680 And I think the summary that both sides came out with last week when Blake Lively's lawyers
00:05:17.740 were just talking about how she's staying strong through all of this.
00:05:21.580 And it was all about me, me, me.
00:05:23.300 And she's being a victim while Baldoni's side was saying,
00:05:27.240 hey, there's other things going on in the world.
00:05:29.020 And we really appreciate the support that we're getting.
00:05:31.680 But yes, there are other things that are more important than this lawsuit.
00:05:35.260 Yes, this is where Hollywood stands right now.
00:05:37.180 As I said, Hollywood Reporter did another report last week where they basically called
00:05:41.680 Blake Lively a laughingstock.
00:05:44.060 And now this story as well.
00:05:46.300 Ryan Reynolds must be furious right now.
00:05:49.580 Anyways, as I said, I wanted to focus a little bit as well on how the media has covered these
00:05:54.360 lawsuits from the beginning of when Blake Lively filed this in December of 2024 until now.
00:06:00.420 Because as you remember, after that New York Times article, everyone jumped on this.
00:06:04.260 It was a big scandal.
00:06:05.840 And the headlines were everywhere portraying Blake Lively as a victim of SH.
00:06:10.920 And of course, his smear campaign.
00:06:12.540 And everyone was shocked and had so much sympathy and empathy for Blake Lively that it was even
00:06:18.740 possible to create an untraceable smear campaign like this.
00:06:24.660 Until we learned, of course, there were more sides to this story.
00:06:28.100 Not only did we see Justin Baldoni's receipts coming out at the time when he sued them,
00:06:32.520 but we also have seen throughout this year, throughout discovery and more and more evidence
00:06:36.940 being unsealed, that there were a lot of twisted facts involved in all the reporting
00:06:42.300 we could see in mainstream media.
00:06:44.260 I've been covering a lot of the articles covering this story here on my channel.
00:06:48.360 And one of the things that I noticed especially is how the media was focusing on all the legal
00:06:53.740 stuff in the beginning.
00:06:54.880 And now it's all about scandal.
00:06:56.960 It's all about these little cherry-picked facts that they find from the evidence that
00:07:00.800 they can blow up and make headlines from.
00:07:03.920 People magazine was very pro-Blake in the beginning.
00:07:06.960 But then I feel like as soon as Taylor Swift entered, they kind of changed their ways a little
00:07:12.700 bit.
00:07:13.340 For them, it's always been important to be on good terms with the big celebrities.
00:07:17.820 Because that gives them sometimes exclusive interviews.
00:07:21.040 And this time it was so obvious after Taylor Swift's dad revealed that he was the source
00:07:26.920 of the information that Blake Lively had tried to pressure Taylor Swift to support her in
00:07:32.020 public.
00:07:32.560 When that story hit, all of a sudden People magazine started shifting a little bit.
00:07:37.640 At least that's what I noticed.
00:07:39.320 And the last four or five months, I think we've seen them being much more balanced in their
00:07:44.680 reporting on this.
00:07:45.740 Although I have to add that they do still pick up those stories that I'm sure Leslie Sloan 0.82
00:07:50.800 or someone else from Blake Lively's team is feeding them to make Blake Lively look wholesome
00:07:55.580 and like a good mother and good wife and very relatable.
00:08:00.820 Also, TMZ in the beginning was so pro-Blake Lively.
00:08:04.280 And they did publish a lot of misinformation.
00:08:07.440 Something they actually admitted to as well.
00:08:10.000 One of the stories I remember was when they said that there was another person who was
00:08:15.000 willing to testify against Justin Baldoni.
00:08:18.420 Another person from another project.
00:08:20.820 Remember, there was so much talk about that.
00:08:22.500 And then we realized it was Claire Ayub, this female director, who did another project with
00:08:28.960 the Wayfair parties.
00:08:30.460 And she ended up having some kind of disagreement with Baldoni.
00:08:34.780 But there was nothing else there.
00:08:36.320 And then she had recorded this conversation that we all got to hear.
00:08:39.600 And we know there was nothing there.
00:08:41.040 But anyway, TMZ said that she was willing to testify.
00:08:43.960 The thing is, she couldn't have testified because she had nothing to do with this case.
00:08:48.640 And they should know that.
00:08:50.960 But still, they said another victim is willing to testify, which was just BS.
00:08:56.260 They also said that Travis Kelsey was showing love for Blake Lively because he published this
00:09:02.180 podcast episode talking about traveling, that sisterhood of the traveling pans, a movie that
00:09:07.240 Blake Lively did a million years ago.
00:09:09.340 And then they realized that, oh, that was an old podcast that was re-uploaded.
00:09:13.960 And they did come out and talk about it, but still so sloppy.
00:09:18.500 And another thing they did, which I thought was really suspicious, is that they said that
00:09:22.100 Justin Baldoni had missed the deadline to appeal his case.
00:09:25.500 We know that's not true.
00:09:26.960 And also thinking that Harvey Levine, the editor of and the owner, I think, of TMZ, he's a lawyer.
00:09:35.020 He knows these things.
00:09:36.500 Yeah, there were so many things like that that was published on TMZ that made people think like,
00:09:41.180 hey, what's the deal here?
00:09:42.840 Are you like in cahoot with someone here?
00:09:45.820 In their live stream, it seemed like they were not on Team Blake at all.
00:09:50.180 So I don't know where they stand.
00:09:51.660 And I just hope that they can do some more due diligence in 2026 before reporting on things
00:09:57.220 because misinformation like this spread so fast and people don't come back to see if there's
00:10:03.520 any updates on an article or if it's been corrected.
00:10:06.560 The industry magazines have been very pro-Blake as well, especially Deadline, all their articles.
00:10:13.500 I've been like, what?
00:10:14.600 And Variety, except that Variety did a story on the content creators who were being subpoenaed by Blake Lively.
00:10:22.600 I did really like that.
00:10:23.780 They interviewed me for that story.
00:10:25.560 And The Hollywood Reporter has been a little more balanced, I think.
00:10:28.560 They did this story that was huge and got a lot of attention when it dropped about how Justin Baldoni and Jamie Heath
00:10:34.700 and the rest of the Wayfair parties brought Baha'i Faith into the set of It Ends With Us.
00:10:39.280 And that's where things started, like that's where the friction came from.
00:10:44.340 I don't really think so.
00:10:45.760 What we know by now, I don't see that there's any truth to that, really.
00:10:50.160 They were talking about this culture of hugging, which kind of just disappeared as well,
00:10:55.400 especially since we know that Blake Lively is a big hugger as well.
00:10:58.820 But I think the main reason this story got so much attention was because of the illustration
00:11:02.360 that they made of Blake and Justin and then Ryan Reynolds' nice pool and Brian Friedman there.
00:11:10.720 And Blake Lively was so upset by this.
00:11:14.300 One of her spokespeople said to Daily Mail that the framing in this picture is outrageously insulting
00:11:20.620 as it plays into every sexist trope about women who dare file a workplace complaint,
00:11:27.420 turning them into the aggressor and suggesting they deserve the retaliation that comes their way.
00:11:33.660 Surprise, surprise there.
00:11:35.660 And then, of course, you have all the fashion magazine, all the women magazines. 1.00
00:11:38.480 They're just kissing ass. 1.00
00:11:39.920 And all their stories about Blake has been like fluff pieces about her outfits 0.99
00:11:44.620 and about her hair care line and whatever products she's trying to sell.
00:11:48.880 So I think the outlets mainly that has been telling the truth,
00:11:52.240 basically, is Daily Mail and sometimes Page Six as well.
00:11:55.880 It's interesting to think that New York Times broke this story last year
00:12:01.300 and they haven't done really any follow-up stories.
00:12:04.340 I think they did one story when Justin Baldoni's lawsuit was dismissed,
00:12:07.820 but they haven't followed up on anything in this legal case.
00:12:11.700 And that is very telling.
00:12:13.300 I remember when LA Times did the expose of the Golden Globes
00:12:18.340 based on my lawsuit and my legal filings.
00:12:22.160 And they did follow-up stories like every single day for like six months after that.
00:12:29.020 It was huge.
00:12:30.420 So when you break a story like that and then choose not to follow up,
00:12:34.200 that says everything.
00:12:36.420 I think all the speculations people had in the beginning
00:12:39.240 because they were reading between the lines
00:12:41.380 because Blake didn't really tell us the entire truth.
00:12:44.020 She just cherry-picked some text messages 0.91
00:12:46.400 and painted a picture that she wanted to sell us. 1.00
00:12:50.540 And I think a major problem now is that all of these facts are really undisputed.
00:12:55.220 The things that Blake Lively accuses Justin Baldoni of,
00:12:57.980 he's not denying it. 0.98
00:12:59.700 He's just saying that they are ridiculous. 0.99
00:13:02.760 And that is what people are starting to realize. 0.58
00:13:05.220 And that is why all these Blake Lively supporters are just disappearing.
00:13:09.200 It's funny now, looking back, I was a part of four documentaries in 2025.
00:13:14.320 One on HBO Max, one on Hulu, one on Discovery Plus,
00:13:18.640 and then one for Andy Signor over at Popcorn Planet that he is planning,
00:13:22.960 I hope, publish in 2026.
00:13:25.620 Anyways, all of these three documentaries were really leaning towards Blake Lively's narrative.
00:13:31.920 Some of them extreme, some a little more balanced.
00:13:35.300 But now that we've seen so much from the depositions and the evidence being unsealed, 0.97
00:13:40.760 it makes all of them look ridiculous.
00:13:44.280 And of course, no one is going to admit that they were wrong. 0.93
00:13:47.440 So instead, now they're just trying to ridicule the entire situation.
00:13:52.140 And that's exactly what the Hollywood Reporter is doing here.
00:13:55.040 They're not saying like, hey, we were wrong.
00:13:57.000 We reported on this as a serious allegation
00:13:59.800 and something that really needs to be taken seriously and looked at.
00:14:03.020 And now everyone realizes that, oh, we were fooled.
00:14:07.160 Now they're just looking at this as a lot of mess and they want it to go away.
00:14:11.660 Because this case can do a lot of damage and has already done a lot of damage in Hollywood.
00:14:17.480 We don't know yet how this will affect SAG in the future.
00:14:20.900 They were supposed to step in here.
00:14:23.060 SAG was nowhere to be seen.
00:14:25.220 It was obviously Blake Lively's responsibility to get in touch with SAG
00:14:29.060 and tell them what happened on this set, but she didn't do that.
00:14:32.620 But still, SAG should have some sort of responsibility here.
00:14:36.600 They're supposed to protect people.
00:14:38.620 Same goes for Producers Guilds of America and Directors Guilds of America.
00:14:42.800 Where were they?
00:14:44.120 I spoke about that the other day as well.
00:14:46.280 How are they going to have to change their rules now
00:14:49.060 to prevent something like this from happening again?
00:14:51.740 To prevent a situation where a big actress can come in and take over an entire movie
00:14:58.320 and then sue the director afterwards for all his money.
00:15:02.140 And also for the studios here.
00:15:04.220 How are they going to deal with this?
00:15:05.800 As we know, Blake Lively walked all over Sony and took away their power as well.
00:15:11.200 So how are the contracts going to change?
00:15:13.840 Also for new directors, up-and-coming directors who want to work with bigger stars.
00:15:19.020 They're going to be terrified.
00:15:20.140 And as we now know, a lot of actresses have come out and complained
00:15:24.900 about these intimacy coordinators that are all over the place,
00:15:29.000 all the time, ruining the shoots for them.
00:15:31.800 We know Gwyneth Paltrow talks about it.
00:15:33.560 Jennifer Lawrence has talked about it.
00:15:35.740 Cameron Diaz has talked about these intimacy coordinators
00:15:38.720 and how they really feel uncomfortable with them being present.
00:15:42.700 Also something that obviously is related to this lawsuit.
00:15:46.840 Yeah, I think this has told us a lot about Hollywood itself.
00:15:49.520 How dirty it is.
00:15:50.540 And also how publicists works.
00:15:52.740 I did not know how dirty it was behind the scenes.
00:15:55.780 I'm as shocked as everybody else learning about how things went down behind the scenes.
00:16:00.420 Now let's hope that 2026 is going to give us some real answers
00:16:04.760 now that more and more evidence will get unsealed.
00:16:08.420 I can't wait for the media to finally pick up the story about Van Zandt.
00:16:12.960 No one has really mentioned it except Daily Mail and Page Six.
00:16:17.540 And there was actually an article in Deadline about Van Zandt,
00:16:20.380 but they managed to put a negative light of Justin Baldoni anyways,
00:16:24.300 with the headline reading,
00:16:25.860 Justin Baldoni damns Blake Lively for abuse and sham lawsuits,
00:16:29.740 seeking text smear campaign evidence.
00:16:32.220 Nothing to hide.
00:16:33.520 Actress lawyers declare.
00:16:35.800 Yeah, so they were covering it,
00:16:36.920 but they weren't really throwing any shade at Blake Lively.
00:16:39.600 They reached out to her lawyers.
00:16:41.240 And as you know,
00:16:41.880 her lawyers defended using that sham company
00:16:45.080 to file that sham lawsuit
00:16:47.040 to get to the text messages on Jennifer Abel's phone
00:16:51.060 and then give it to the New York Times.
00:16:53.220 They say this is completely normal.
00:16:56.120 Everyone does it.
00:16:57.700 Yeah, let's hope that 2026 becomes the year of truth.
00:17:02.280 I am so excited for more of the truth to come out.
00:17:06.320 And I'm so excited to get into this new year with you guys.
00:17:10.400 You are amazing.
00:17:12.000 You made my 2025 so beautiful.
00:17:15.760 So thank you.
00:17:16.560 Thank you for doing that.
00:17:18.060 And even though I'm here talking about these awful things
00:17:21.120 that people do to each other,
00:17:22.600 I think that there's still so much we can learn from this.
00:17:24.980 And to also remember to be respectful of each other.
00:17:27.980 And then sometimes when you get in a situation
00:17:30.480 where you have to pick between right and wrong,
00:17:33.320 always trust your gut feeling.
00:17:35.940 You know what the right thing to do is.
00:17:38.340 And as we've learned from this case,
00:17:39.880 a lot of people probably didn't follow their gut feeling
00:17:43.140 and they thought,
00:17:44.300 hey, what can I gain from this?
00:17:47.300 And I'm a big believer in karma.
00:17:49.640 And I think everyone at the end will get what they deserve.
00:17:53.160 Anyways, that's it for me for 2025.
00:17:55.600 I wish you all a happy new year.
00:17:58.420 And if you haven't subscribed yet,
00:18:00.140 please do that and hit the notification bell
00:18:02.460 so you never miss an episode of Flossom Talk.
00:18:04.300 And I'll see you next year.
00:18:06.100 Bye.
00:18:06.460 Yeah, we've lost some talk.