Lawyers Weigh In： SHE FELL For JUSTIN !？!
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Heather Mclean presents her theory that Blake Lively fell for Justin Baldoni, and the Hollywood lawyers who represent her, Mark Garagos and Matt Murphy, couldn t have been more excited about it. Plus, we look at a new set of text messages between Blake and Jenny Slate.
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But I thought it was very interesting that both these lawyers were like, oh, this is what happens.
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I'm Cereshty Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
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Is Blake Lively's lawsuit being used as a horror story for entrepreneurs and brands?
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Also, we have to look at these text messages that were just released between Blake Lively and Jenny Slate.
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When they're talking behind Colin Hoover's back, these were dropped just before the settlement.
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Also, let's look at this headline from UK Business Times.
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Why the end of Justin Baldoni's lawsuit is only the beginning for Blake Lively.
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And I found this amazing thing on Reddit today, pointing out all the 50 things that Blake
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Lively lost and still they're claiming this astonishing victory.
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And this morning I was listening to the podcast of Mark Garagos and Matt Murphy, those two
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seasoned Hollywood attorneys who have represented so many celebrity clients.
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And today they had Heather McDonnell on, a TV personality here in the US.
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and she presented to them her theory that Blake Lively had fallen for Justin Baldoni
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I just listened to this podcast, so I'm going to start with that
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because I thought it was quite interesting how these attorneys reacted to Heather McDonald's theory.
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I think Candace Owens was actually the first person to talk about this.
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how she thought that Ryan Reynolds was jealous and how Blake Lively had fallen for it was really
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smitten by Justin Baldoni. So Heather presented this idea to these two seasoned lawyers and they
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were ecstatic about it thinking oh my god this makes so much sense. Have you seen some of those
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dailies Heather um where it shows them like in a dance scene okay and she may be the world's
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greatest actress and i as you know i support victims but she looks so into it and i you're
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the first person i've heard articulate that theory um of all the commentary good theory have you been
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talking about this on your show i was just gonna say i haven't heard this yet this is the first
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one that really resonates with me that i that i that just says wow this really makes sense in
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terms of everything that unfolded. Yes it's kind of weird that they hadn't heard that theory before
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but I also love how they reacted to this saying that this really makes sense. Heather pointed out
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that voice memo. Remember that voice memo that was leaked I think about six months ago that
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Justin Baldoni sent to Blake Lively. I think it was 2 a.m in the morning and he had this scruffy
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sexy voice hey blake it is uh two in the morning um hopefully this does not wake you up wow there's
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so much i want to say to you and i hope that we can um uh facetime or or see each other in person
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um soon and get to talk more but i'm just gonna send you a few thoughts and hopefully it's not
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gonna be more than a few minutes and a lot of people pointed out how sexy he sounded in that
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voice memo and Heather said that you know maybe maybe Ryan found that voice memo and that's when
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he flipped and to me this still makes so much sense because there is no explanation for Ryan
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Reynolds rage if it wasn't because he was jealous or if he actually thought that Justin Baldoni
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hurt his wife and there is no reason to believe that he actually thought that he was so furious
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at Justin that he created a character just to mock him so yes I think there's still something to it
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I don't know if we're ever going to get to the bottom of this but I thought it was very interesting
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that both these lawyers were like oh this is what happened they also spoke about the dancing scene
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here and how Blake Lively at first you know she didn't think there was on any audio on the dancing
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scene so in her first complaint Blake said this she said that on another occasion Mr. Baldoni and
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Miss Lively were filming a slow dance scene for a montage in which no sound was recorded. Remember
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that? She didn't think there was any audio in that clip, in that dancing scene. Mr. Baldoni
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chose to let the camera roll and have them perform the scene, but did not act in character as Ryle.
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Instead, he spoke to Miss Lively out of character as himself, which of course he had to do because
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he was the director of the movie so Blake was expecting him to talk to her as rile while he
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was directing the movie I don't know this is so ridiculous but anyways they say at one point he
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leaned forward and slowly dragged his lips from her ear and down her neck and he said it smells so
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good and then of course as you know Justin Baldoni released that clip released the dailies where we
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could hear what actually went on in that scene. So then Blake had to change her second amended
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complaint and where she said, on another occasion, Mr. Boldoni and Ms. Lively were filming slow dance
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scene for a montage scene, meaning that none of the sound recorded while filming the scene
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was meant to be used in the film. Isn't that interesting how her lawyers were just twisting
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the truth when they were caught in lying here i'm sure blake lively told them that there was no audio
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no worries we can make up whatever we want to in this scene because you're never going to hear
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what actually happened because they didn't record audio because i guess she thought that she had
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seen all the dailies but maybe she hadn't or maybe justin just sent her the dailies without the audio
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i don't know and then they're explaining here that music was intended to play over the action
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nonetheless microphones were live to pick up room tone but not conversations or dialogue to be used
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in the film the scene in the script specifically described dancing without dialogue and did not
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include any intimate conducting or kissing they're supposed to fall in love how can they not be
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intimate when this is supposed to be two people falling in love something that also the judge
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pointed out while he dismissed all of this claim saying hey i couldn't see anything wrong with this
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If this happened on a factory floor, he said in his ruling, it would have been a different
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And then they said Mr. Baldoni did not provide notice or seek consent for any intimacy in
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advance, which we also know that he did because now we heard the audio and he said, I'm going
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to take my hat off and then I'm going to lean in and try to kiss you.
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Yeah, all these little discrepancies is so funny to look back at now that we have the
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whole picture and again it just makes Blake's attorneys look like fools okay so let's look
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into this text exchange that was just released just the same day I think as the settlement so
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everyone was just looking at the settlement screaming like what's happening and then in the
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meantime there were some other evidence that were actually dropped on the docket and here is a
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message between Blake and Jenny Slate I think this was just before or around Book Bonanza it was on
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may 19th 2024 so about two years ago now so first they keep love bumping each other here this is so
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funny uh it's almost like they believe their own words jenny is saying to uh blake honestly it
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really works and you your performance broke my heart broke it i hope you're so proud of yourself
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for your beautiful work and then she says do i legit look like the get off my train guy from
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ghost because that's what I see when I remember my face on screen. She needs some validation here
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obviously that she's beautiful and she's amazing and she's a talented actress and then Lively says
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unsubscribe you are so breathtakingly beautiful in this movie and in real life. Forget your
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performance who cares you are shot through the heart stunning. Literally in every moment you come
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on screen whoever I'm watching with audibly coos and you're even more divine in real life
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if people would have told me something like that I'd be like okay yes right um we need a reality
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check here yeah it's so interesting to me to read about all this love bombing they do with each
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other and then Blake adds another one and your performance is next level incredible then Jenny
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Slate says I woke up thinking about this scene where Lily says I love you over and over again
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it's so intense and you feel your fear so visually viscerally it's such a testament to you as a
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performer that you could say one phrase over and over and mean so many different things and that
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the audience can understand so deeply in their hearts it's just heartbreaking and it's genuinely
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such a powerful performance and then she's saying thank you to all the love bombing I think that
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Blake Lively just threw at her earlier saying thank you babe thank you I do truly love my new
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haircut and I'm so happy about our scenes especially in the movie okay do they have all the
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scenes but anyways then Jenny says Colleen seemed a bit frosty to me did I do something to upset her
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and then Blake responds that's her personality talking about Colleen being frosty which is why
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I was always so disconnected from her and spooked by her she was always really nervous to be there
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because she felt like Justin and co would be upset even though she reached out to me to come
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so I think this is about the book Bonanza thing that they were there and Colleen was a bit worried
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that the Wayfair parties would be a little annoyed with her because she invited everyone but him,
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but Justin. But anyways, I find it interesting that Blake is saying here that she was
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disconnected and spooked by Colleen Hoover. So there you go. That was that friendship. As I said
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the other day, Colleen Hoover has deleted all photos with her and Blake on her Instagram and
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the same goes for Jenny Slate. And then Blake is actually responding to something else that
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jenny is mentioning here about the scene saying that you mean so much to me thank you that was a
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bold swing i took there because his version is an action sequence with like a stunt fight there
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but this is the only one that felt right he didn't understand on the day or in the edits but it's
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based on something my mom experienced and the i love you that she shared with me always stuck with
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me so blake wanted to put her on spin on things as you know she took over this movie but as i also
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spoke about the other day. All those edits that Blake Lively suggested that Colin Hoover loved
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basically got removed from the movie at the end. So it wasn't really Blake's version or Ryan
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Reynolds' version that was showed to an audience. It was Justin Baldoni's version with a few small
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edits here and there. Anyways, let's look at this article on Inc.com where it says that Blake Lively
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and Justin Baldoni's feud ruined a $100 million brand. It's a crucial lesson for every founder.
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Markets don't care if you're right. They care if you're liked. Good point. As you know, Blake
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Lively claimed a lot of losses, big losses to her brands because of this smear campaign that she
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thinks that Justin Baldoni launched against her, which we now know is not true. And it says here
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the Blake Lively Justin Baldoni legal fight is primarily a Hollywood he said she said story
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but as a founder it should be read as a cautionary tale about what happened to your company if you
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lose public favor I don't agree at all that it's a he said she said story because this involves so
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many more people than him and her and it's basically to me she said he had the evidence
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to prove something different so it's not a he said story because he had all the evidence so we
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know actually where the truth is but anyways it says here before the feud with Baldoni Blake
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Lively and her husband Ryan Reynolds were well-liked A-listers thought of as down-to-earth
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nice I don't know if they were down-to-earth nice but I think a lot of people thought that
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Ryan Reynolds at least was nice they were also hot brand ambassadors Ryan built and sold aviation
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Jin to Daigio for $610 million in 2020 and Mint Mobile to T-Mobile for $1.35 billion in 2023.
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Blake Brown Beauty was slated to be Target's biggest hair product launch ever in 2024. But
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when accusations started flying, the internet went to work. Videos and text messages were discussed
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and dissected on social media. And the next thing you know, Blake and Ryan were disowned by fans who
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had adored them just days before. And they're talking about the fallout here, which was brutal.
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And it says that Blake Brown plunged over 87 percent and the brand became valued at 15 million
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dollars instead of 100 million dollars, which they forecasted. And Aviation Gin and Mint Mobile
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saw weakened sales and pulled campaigns. Lively's legal team claimed reputational damages of 300
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million dollars so Ryan Reynolds saw weakened sales as well and his brands pulled campaigns
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who knew I feel like I see Ryan Reynolds on those mint mobile commercials everywhere still but
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anyways none of the products the promotions or the packaging had changed the only thing that
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changed was that what she what was said on social platforms reputation used to be something you
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could manage with a rolodex of journalists and a stash of tasteful gifts now it's a load-bearing
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wall in a building that a random 22 year old named Brayden can take a sledgehammer to between
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his second and third Red Bull. Here's what to do. And then they have this list of what you can do
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to make sure that you don't end up like Blake Brown here. It says here the bottom line is don't
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think of building a brand as doing good PR or marketing. Imagine that 87% of your sales might
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evaporate if someone posts a body language breakdown video. Yeah someone actually did that
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also with my video my little bump video they did a body language breakdown of it but anyways and
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it says here that then treat reputational resilience and responsiveness as if running
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a nuclear reactor in a street mall where the cooling system is whether people currently find
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you likable so yeah this is a cautionary tale for everyone also who is working with celebrities
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if there is a big scandal surrounding a celebrity that can be the death of your brand and yes here
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is another proof thank you Varshti for sending me this saying I'm at a local Target in Maryland
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and notice Blake's products on clearance what's funny about it is that they're covering her name
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with the clearance labels so as you can see Blake Brown is for sale for $4.24 they really just want
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to get rid of these products and the fact that they're actually covering her name with the label
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as well says a lot. Okay so let's look at this other article in International Business Times UK
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saying that truly sickening why the end of the Justin Baldoni lawsuit is only the beginning
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for Blake Lively. A courtroom truce has done little to silence the storm now threatening to
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define Blake Lively's comeback. So they're basically talking about Justin Baldoni and the
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NDA that he refused to sign. The fragile piece now looks anything but quiet, a source told Star
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Magazine that Baldoni is preparing to tell his side of the story, describing it as inevitable.
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Justin is free to speak on this and tell his side of the story. As I spoke about yesterday in my
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video. Blake was the one who really pushed for the NDA and I'm so happy they never get into that.
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I mean Baldoni's side here had all the power in this settlement agreement of course because they
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knew that they had all the evidence to prove her wrong and she had so much more to lose because if
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she lost at trial that would be of course even more devastating for her. So they have a sourcer
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saying that this has already cost her so much money and created so much stress the idea of
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letting him now control the narrative is really is truly sickening to her of course as you know
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she had the opportunity to already tell her side of the story which she did in the new york times
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and now it's his turn and no matter what she's going to come out with now which is her side of
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this story it's not interesting to us because we already know what i think is really interesting
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now that most people want to hear about is how Justin Baldoni has managed to take the high road
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this entire time and how it has affected his family and what really happened on that set
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because we really haven't heard that in his own words yet we only seen it in legal papers but I
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really wanted but I really look forward to hearing him talking about it and how it was for him
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personally i also want to hear what it was like for him personally when ryan reynolds when ryan
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reynolds was yelling at him at their loft in tribeca and all these details i am sure will
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come out very soon okay lastly i have to mention this because i saw this on reddit today and i
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think it's amazing because it's so true it says that blake lively's astounding victory as you
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know her attorneys have been on this victory tour lately and this person on reddit it is on it ends
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with us lawsuit reddit thread and they're saying here that she has 50 undeniable lawsuit loses
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and here they're counting up all the things that she lost one being zero dollars recovered from
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defendants in settlement two tens of millions spent in legal fees three 10 out of 13 claims
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dismissed including all sh allegations four justin jamie all individual defendants dismissed from the
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lawsuit before settlement. 5. Settlement two weeks before trial after publicly demanding her
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day in court. 6. No appeal clause locks in Judge Lyman's forthcoming 47.1 ruling regardless of
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outcome. 7. Covered Van Zandt lawsuit revealed publicly exposing how she obtained text messages
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used in the CRD complaint and New York Times article. 8. Gag order request denied. 9.
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10. Claims against Jed Wallace dismissed twice,
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And then they mentioned the reputational damage here.
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significant worse public standing than before she filed,
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virtually no support from celebrities and industry insiders,
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advocate for women framing replaced by cautionary Hollywood tale label
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Astounding victory has been mocked publicly.
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As you know, her attorneys came out and claimed victory
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and everyone was like, what are you talking about?
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Then overwhelmingly negative comments on all social medias,
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And then adversarial media landscape with mostly negative headlines.
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Comment section locked on both her and Ryan Reynolds' Instagram accounts.
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And then branding experts publicly calling her tone deaf.
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former Hollywood director on the record saying Blake is persona non grata and then Disney studio
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executives who worked with her saying this lawsuit has ruined her in Hollywood and it goes on to her
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career damages Blake's own legal filings claim she lost between 39 and 143 million dollars
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Blake Lively's lawyers projected 132 million in lost earnings over the next five years
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and hasn't acted since another simple favor no filming currently shooting no all announced
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movies project stalled and her producer credentials questioned after pga letter unsealed
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cancelled hosting the first episode of snl 50th season per crd complaint and lawsuit yeah she
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actually claimed that she was asked to host the snl 50 and she i don't know what happened there
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but she didn't do it, and she's blaming that, of course, on Justin Baldoni.
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And then there's the brand damages, which are the Betty Buss quietly shut down in 2025.
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Multiple corporate events for Blake Brown canceled.
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Return partners like Kroger were spooked by the controversy
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and blamed Blake per internal Betty Buss documents.
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Yes, we've gone through that. All these brands were spooked by her, saying we can't work with her because she's bad for our brand.
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Then branding experts citing morality clauses as a risk for any remaining partnership.
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And then they go through all these text messages that were exposed, meaning that she, of course, lost friends over it.
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And they're mentioning her own texts and emails and to public records, including Taylor Swift, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Ryan Reynolds, communication with WME, Sony and others exposed.
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Sony executives privately calling her an effing terrorist, an epic level stupid.
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Internal Sony assessments that she's orchestrated all this drama in a total unsavvy and amateur way that backfired.
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Cast and executive depositions in public record.
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Scott Swift, Taylor's father, reportedly turned over evidence of Lively's team alleged extortion attempt.
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I really wish we could have seen what really happened there or learned what really happened.
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And, you know, when Brian Friedman filed an affidavit saying that he had spoken to someone
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that turned out to be Taylor Swift's father, and we learned that Blake Lively had tried
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to blackmail Taylor Swift into supporting her in public.
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And if she didn't, she would release all their private text messages.
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We've seen some of those private text messages now, but it would be fun to see more, I have
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And then they go through her relationship and social capital damage, mentioning Taylor
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Cara Delevingne reportedly no longer in contact.
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Travis Kelsey reportedly distanced and unfollowed Ryan.
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Industry insiders on record advising her to go quiet and spend time with family.
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One producer publicly suggested she do a villain role and lean into the baggage.
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I remember reading that I was like who is this producer anyways I don't know if that is a good
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idea and then Hollywood reporter openly asking who wants to work with her and then number 50 here
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reports that Hollywood agents are loath to work with litigious actors who cause them to go over
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budget and then this person is asking how is any of this a win very good question we have to ask
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Blake Lively's attorneys again I think how this is a big win for Blake anyways that's it from you
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