Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - November 07, 2026


Major Backlash For Taylor Swift

Losing EVERYTHING !!

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00:00:00.000 I also think that the Swifties have gone a little more quiet since everything happened with Blake Lively.
00:00:10.100 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Kersti Flohr, journalist, Hollywood truth teller and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
00:00:18.340 Okay, as you might know, I'm back in LA and that's why my studio is a little bit different.
00:00:22.520 and also I've added something to my studio that I didn't have before which is voila my executive
00:00:30.060 producer Oscar. He was with me in Spain in the background the whole time and everyone loved it
00:00:34.680 so much so I decided that Oscar has to keep being a part of this show and as you can see he's super
00:00:40.820 enthusiastic about that. Anyways let's get into all the ridiculousness that's happening in Hollywood
00:00:46.340 right now. Many of you probably seen the controversy surrounding Martha Stewart's Halloween costume
00:00:52.360 when i saw her dressing up as a homeless person asking for food i didn't know if i wanted to
00:00:59.840 laugh or cry i guess i was thinking what everyone else was thinking like what on earth are you 0.98
00:01:05.440 thinking are you not thinking at all martha and from there things got even worse martha started 0.99
00:01:11.660 lying making up excuses for why she ended up dressing up like a homeless person and when she 0.86
00:01:17.620 got caught lying she continued lying even more and now the way she handled the backlash has turned 1.00
00:01:23.640 into be a much bigger story than her stupid halloween costume talking about stupid stories 1.00
00:01:29.960 i just feel like talking about stupid stories today i just feel like having lighter segments 0.99
00:01:34.140 here i was thinking about covering russell brand but i was like no i want to talk about how taylor 0.97
00:01:39.080 swift is being called out for being a fake nicks fan yeah it's pretty serious let's talk about it
00:01:47.460 Okay, so this video went viral yesterday when Tyler Kolek and Deuce McBride were asked
00:01:55.260 which celebrity is the fakest Knicks fan on the court side.
00:02:00.600 At the Knicks games, I would say it's very performative
00:02:03.180 because they just want to be seen at the game.
00:02:06.280 They're not necessarily fans.
00:02:07.800 Maybe Taylor Swift.
00:02:09.060 I would agree.
00:02:09.960 I don't know if I've seen her at any of the games.
00:02:12.540 Swiftie's not going like that answer.
00:02:14.140 Yeah, no, Swiftie's not going to get some hate from Swiftie. 0.99
00:02:16.240 i guess she's got a lot going on so she can't come all the time but he's trying to save his ass 0.95
00:02:21.660 it's a little performative taylor swift and he knew as soon as he had said it that this was going 0.92
00:02:30.820 to get a big reaction from swifties as you know they can be pretty aggressive what i found
00:02:36.160 interesting about this is how invested people are in the fact that taylor swift might be a fake fan
00:02:43.980 There's been a lot of arguing in comment sections from Swifties, of course,
00:02:49.180 who are convinced that she is a real fan because she's been to a lot more games
00:02:53.900 than these guys actually know because she was at a Knicks game also in 2014.
00:02:59.860 So they have evidence that she's been a Knicks fan for 12 years at least.
00:03:04.720 So she is a real fan, which also makes me wonder what a real fan is.
00:03:09.680 I'm not a sports person myself.
00:03:11.600 I do sports but I don't really watch anything except tennis from time to time so I don't really
00:03:16.940 know what it takes to be a real fan I just want to put that out there but anyways it's so funny
00:03:23.300 how they described her to be so performative and that these some of these celebs are just there
00:03:29.260 to be seen and of course as soon as this hit the headlines Knicks had to come out and defend
00:03:35.820 Taylor Swift because of course they want her to continue to come to Knicks games because of course 0.68
00:03:42.860 it brings a lot of free PR to them when they have a huge celebrity like Taylor Swift sitting there
00:03:48.540 yelling and screaming and laughing and clapping and standing up and dancing and all the stuff that
00:03:54.080 she does so they just came out with a statement saying that Taylor Swift has been a Knicks fan
00:03:59.120 for many years has a long history with Madison Square Garden and as you know she also got married
00:04:04.420 there and we are incredibly appreciative of her support of the organization I wonder if they took
00:04:11.360 these two players to the side and like what on earth are you doing you can't criticize Taylor
00:04:17.000 Swift I also believe that since this whole thing happened with Blake Lively and Taylor Swift got
00:04:23.540 dragged into it she has shown a new side of herself that makes people doubt her authenticity
00:04:29.520 she had this image for a long time that she was underestimated that she was mistreated and that
00:04:35.280 she was unfairly targeted sometimes but now things are changing also for taylor i also think that the
00:04:42.800 swifties have gone a little more quiet since everything happened with blake lively but they
00:04:47.560 might be more open to realizing that there's more to taylor swift than what she puts out in public
00:04:52.900 and talking about blake lively by the way remember this also earlier this year when she also
00:04:59.060 proclaimed that she's a Knicks fan and she posted a photo of an orange Hermes bag that was decked
00:05:07.320 out with New York Knicks inspired charms and she put it on her Instagram. I don't know if she even
00:05:13.320 was at a game. For some reason I just don't see Blake Lively being a huge basketball fan. So it's
00:05:19.580 all part of this ridiculous image building that these stars show up at different sporting events
00:05:25.000 because then they think okay I have my fan base here which are in Blake Lively's case maybe gossip
00:05:32.240 girl fans and Taylor Swift's is of course our music fans but when you show up in a different
00:05:37.440 arena that means that you open up the door to sports fans as well. As Tyler and Deuce were
00:05:43.060 saying in this interview some of these celebrities are just there to be seen. I don't know do you
00:05:48.300 believe Taylor is a real Knicks fan or do you even care? Anyways let's get to this story about Martha
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00:07:29.120 them that i sent you okay let's get back into it there's something so fascinating about this
00:07:34.840 martha stewart story i just can't let it go and that's because every day there's something new
00:07:40.260 And keep in mind, we're talking about a woman who actually went to federal prison here.
00:07:45.520 And we all watched her reputation collapse back then.
00:07:49.120 And then in some incredible way, she managed to rebuild her image
00:07:52.920 and become even more popular than she was before she went to prison.
00:07:58.360 I mean, she is 85 years old, so we need to give her some slack because of that, I think.
00:08:02.760 But the fact that someone who survived prison, went through all of that, 0.99
00:08:07.800 could come up with such a stupid idea as to dress up as a homeless person for Halloween. 0.99
00:08:15.640 And that's just half of it. 0.99
00:08:17.280 Because as I said in the intro, that's not the worst of what happened here. 0.89
00:08:21.020 The worst is how she handled it and kept lying and making up excuses.
00:08:25.580 My first biggest question here was, why did no one on her team stop her from doing this?
00:08:31.460 She said in a recent interview, which I'll get to soon,
00:08:34.540 that she sent this photo of herself dressed as a homeless person and you can see that she made a
00:08:39.580 really big effort she used a lot of makeup on her face i'm sure she had a team to help her
00:08:44.320 with the makeup to look like a homeless person and she sent and she said that she sent this
00:08:50.020 photo to her nephew and he said you can't do this this is tone deaf and still she was like well
00:08:57.640 i still think it's a great idea and she posted it on instagram and as you can imagine it was
00:09:04.000 not well received. Then Martha was quick to respond to all the haters, maybe too quick, because she
00:09:09.320 made up an excuse that was even more ridiculous. She said that her real plan behind this costume 0.74
00:09:15.620 was to create more awareness around the homeless situation in America. And I have to mention before
00:09:22.480 I forget that this photo of her as a homeless person was a part of a carousel where she was 0.98
00:09:28.860 selling candles anyways then people started questioning her like but Martha you're saying
00:09:34.680 this is to raise awareness about the homeless situation why didn't you say that in the caption
00:09:40.460 why can't we find any more information about that you kept that a secret that doesn't make any sense
00:09:46.340 so then Martha had to come out again and say like okay I didn't really mean that maybe yeah no and
00:09:52.780 And then after she received even more backlash, she responded again, saying that I understand
00:09:58.660 that my first apology or explanation wasn't good enough.
00:10:03.040 And then she apologized for real this time and said, I'm sorry, it wasn't a great idea.
00:10:08.300 And she also admitted that her costume was insensitive.
00:10:13.420 Then, of course, she could have stopped there and people maybe would have started to forget 0.94
00:10:17.500 about it.
00:10:17.940 But then two days later, on November 3rd, she was at an event in Orlando and she was asked about this.
00:10:25.960 And then she came up with this ridiculous idea that the reason why she put on this costume was because her original costume was ruined after Craig Melvin from the Today Show spilled some chocolate on her white pants.
00:10:44.640 and he was dressed up as Snoop Dogg for the Olympics or whatever
00:10:49.260 in this little TV segment that they made together
00:10:52.440 and she was wearing like an Olympic sweater and white pants to match his outfit
00:10:58.460 and then it was true that he did spill some chocolate on her.
00:11:01.760 But then this whole new story got picked up by the press of course
00:11:05.720 and the headlines were everywhere that Craig Melvin was the reason
00:11:09.680 why she had to dress up as a homeless person.
00:11:12.940 And then Craig Melvin at the Today Show was like, why am I being blamed for her tone-deaf Halloween costume?
00:11:20.740 That's not fair. 0.98
00:11:21.940 So he called up Martha and said, Martha, you better come back on this show. 0.98
00:11:25.900 She's a regular on the Today Show, by the way. 1.00
00:11:28.400 And he said, come back on my show and explain to me why I'm responsible for your tone-deaf Halloween costume. 0.99
00:11:37.280 So Martha showed up. 0.99
00:11:38.880 You have to give it to her. 0.95
00:11:40.020 I mean she owns her mistakes like no one else and she sat there and she took it and then she
00:11:48.940 admitted that the whole chocolate thing was a joke. Why was I dragged into it? Oh no I was making a
00:11:57.380 joke and I was giving a talk and I just made a joke that you would spill chocolate on me and so
00:12:01.840 I couldn't wear that costume which I had planned to wear on Halloween night to this party. It was
00:12:06.600 a joke that I said I blamed you it was not a it was stupid and then I um tone deaf or whatever I 0.99
00:12:14.640 was according to my grandson I was tone deaf I dressed up well not just your grandson oh no no 0.98
00:12:20.740 but that was he saw the picture first okay because I sent it to him and I and I said what do you 0.70
00:12:26.100 think it tone deaf he said and I and it was just stupid and I apologized I mean if she would have 0.73
00:12:34.000 just come out and apologized immediately just like Jessica Alba did she dressed up as Nancy 0.98
00:12:40.580 Kerrigan and one of her friends dressed up as Tonya Harding and she had like a fake blonde bandage
00:12:46.600 around her knee and people like how can you joke about something violently that happened in real
00:12:52.640 life and Jessica Alba responded by just deleting the photo pretending it never happened like hey
00:12:59.120 move on everyone. You didn't see that. And I think most people did. It wasn't such a big deal. But
00:13:04.640 now with Martha, she made this a big deal. And this is part of the reason that I believe that
00:13:11.380 people really like Martha Stewart, because she makes a total fool of herself. And then she comes 0.99
00:13:18.140 out and apologizes for it. She's not afraid of humiliating herself. And I think that's really
00:13:23.900 relatable and i think that makes people just like her what lessons learned yeah i'll pay closer
00:13:30.160 attention to social issues be aware i'm aware of all those social issues as you can imagine
00:13:36.200 and i care desperately about all the problems facing us but i made a mistake i mean i mean i
00:13:44.220 was stupid what else can i say and it's interesting because i was looking at some research surrounding
00:13:51.180 her popularity before and after she went to prison. She went to prison in 2004 when she was convicted 0.99
00:13:58.160 of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to federal investigators in
00:14:03.520 connection with an investigation into her sale of ImClone shares. She spent five months in prison.
00:14:12.180 And this is really interesting. After she came out of prison, her favorable rating rose by 20%.
00:14:18.620 percent so people liked her more after prison than before and also interesting according to 0.86
00:14:24.600 research from Gallup here 91 percent of Americans believe that she had done something illegal
00:14:30.460 but only three percent say they hoped she would fail after she got out of prison so everyone just
00:14:37.880 kept supporting her and liking her even more I don't think people actually forgave her I think
00:14:44.280 people just started seeing her in a new light. She had the perfect home. She had the perfect dinner
00:14:49.400 parties. She perfectly folded the napkins. She was basically selling the idea that she knew how to 0.60
00:14:55.600 live better than anyone else. And then she went to prison and then she became more relatable. And I 0.73
00:15:01.560 think part of what made her popular was because she actually accepted her sentence. She didn't
00:15:06.620 want to prolong the legal battle and just said, yes, give it to me. I will serve my time. So she
00:15:11.580 became that woman who accepted the consequences. She also turned out to be a lot more funny than
00:15:17.180 people actually realized. She became really good friends with Snoop Dogg and she was roasting
00:15:22.600 Justin Bieber and everyone's like who's this funny woman? We've never seen her before. We want more
00:15:28.480 of this Martha. I believe the bedroom is the most important room in the house but I don't have to
00:15:34.100 tell you that ludicrous. You have three kids with three different women. May I suggest pulling out 1.00
00:15:40.520 some time and finishing on some fine highly absorbent martha stewart bed linens i don't know 1.00
00:15:47.500 if she's just too confident that she can get over any scandal but i do believe that martha will 0.99
00:15:53.580 survive this one as well i was looking at her instagram and there's a lot of people criticizing
00:15:58.360 her there but i do not think that she really cares that much to be honest she's 85 years old so i
00:16:04.500 think we have to give it to her to create a scandal and controversy at that age that's pretty
00:16:09.740 impressive so I have to admit I kind of like stories like this because I find it so refreshing
00:16:14.620 she did make up some lies in between there and made it worse for herself but still she was willing
00:16:20.700 to go on tv and face everything she's just another example that celebrities live in a different world 1.00
00:16:27.640 in a different bubble and even if they go to prison they might not stop doing stupid things
00:16:32.700 anyways that's it for me today you guys let me know what you think should we forgive Martha Stewart 0.84
00:16:37.800 for this also of course oscar want to say thank you to everyone for allowing him to keep his job
00:16:44.320 as an executive producer here in the background and wish everyone a happy weekend right oscar
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00:17:07.800 Thank you.