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When I looked at those text messages again between Blake and Taylor, I found out something really disturbing. In this episode, I wanted to go through some of those texts messages between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni again, because I think it's really important to know what happened the day before they sent those texts.
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When I looked at those text messages again between Blake and Taylor, I found out something really disturbing.
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Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Jashti Flohr, journalist, Hollywood truth teller and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
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First of all, thank you to everyone who watched my interview yesterday with Sami, the publicist who gave her opinions about this case
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and also her opinion about the publicists who've been involved in this legal drama.
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She's been as shocked as everyone else to learn about some of these unethical methods.
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So if you missed that episode, you should really go and watch that.
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She's amazing and she deserves all the love that you gave her.
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Again, thank you so much for being so nice in the comment section as always.
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Anyways, in this episode, I wanted to go through some of those text messages between Blake and Justin.
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Now we have a clear timeline on how things went down.
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And when I looked at those text messages again between Blake and Taylor, I found out something really disturbing.
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And that is what happened the day before they sent those text messages.
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Also, there are texts between Blake and Justin where Justin suggests that Blake should direct the sequel.
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And this weekend, I finally got around to watch the number one Netflix show right now, America's Next Top Models.
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If you haven't noticed, Tyra Banks is the new villain in town.
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So I want to talk a little bit about that as well.
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Every time I have to mention that name, it makes me laugh.
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But they made this amazing timeline that makes it possible for everyone to go through every step of what happened in this legal feud.
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I'll leave a link below so you can also go in there and do your own research if you're interested in that.
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I was thinking I should do an entire video, go through the entire timeline.
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So I need to figure out a way to make that happen.
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But anyways, so she made this timeline and it made me look at the text messages between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni again.
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I wanted to read this text between them from January of 2023.
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So remember, they didn't start shooting until May 2023.
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So this is a few months before they started shooting.
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And it seems like these two are the best friends in the whole world.
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And it also proves how open Justin was to all of Blake Lively's suggestions.
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It starts off here with Blake saying, was it your birthday two days ago?
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And Justin says, and Blake responds, also, thank you.
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And so it means that they sent her some gifts, probably, because Justin says, oh, they came.
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And then he says, we told our kids today they will have some friends in New York when we go.
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So they were planning for the kids to hang out together.
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And he added her choice to say that it wasn't his choice that she should have his last name.
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And then she's like giving him an emoji, smiley face.
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He cried, she says, of Ryan that she took his last name.
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So what was really the point of taking his last name?
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And Justin says, I keep hearing how excited people are for you to be Lily.
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So they're talking about a collaborator here called Matthias.
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And Blake says, I haven't had a chance to write him today.
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And Justin keeps talking about all the people that they hired.
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He is keeping her in the loop of everything from the beginning, from before they start shooting.
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And he obviously looked at her as a collaborator on the same level as himself here.
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So he said that he hired a PD who also did Coda, another movie, which he loved.
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And then Justin's telling her, I'm doing notes over the next two weeks.
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And Justin says, I would welcome any that you have.
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So he's telling her he's welcoming any of her thoughts.
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And then Blake says, our sweet assistant who wants to be a producer read.
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And she actually had a great note that she shared with me.
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And it's actually something I felt when reading, but forgot to articulate.
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So she also thought about this, but it was actually her assistant who thought about it.
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It's so funny how Blake never comes up with ideas herself.
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It's always either Ryan and now it's her assistant who came up with it.
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In contrast to what she said about the rooftop scene, which she also claims was her idea.
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Anyways, so she's copying and pasting what her assistant believes in this text to Justin saying,
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I think when Alyssa and Lily meet, Alyssa is played by Jenny Slate in the film.
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And they meet when Jenny Slate's character just like stops by her shop while she is starting to like redecorate it.
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She just got the shop and the two of them become friends.
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It's a really weird and so unrealistic moment, by the way.
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But anyways, her assistant, Blake's assistant here said that Alyssa should say her business partner dropped out or something
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rather than her saying that she bought a place with no plan for it.
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I don't understand what she's talking about here.
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Alyssa should say her business partner dropped out or something rather than her saying that she bought the place with no plan for it.
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So apparently then Alyssa also bought a place.
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Let me know if you know what she's talking about here.
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It just feels unrealistic and also makes her feel like some rich girl that we are set up not to like when we really do love Alyssa's character.
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That's when you know that this wasn't coming from Blake herself because she would never say that this feels like some rich girl that we are set up not to like.
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I wonder if her assistant planted a little Easter egg here to have a dig at Blake Lively herself.
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But anyways, we don't see any of them putting any work into the shop.
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I feel like maybe a quick montage of them putting work into it would be nice, especially because this dream,
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especially because this dream of this flower shop has been a dream of Lily's for so long.
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There's also, there also should be a few small hiccups in the process.
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It seems like Justin listened to this because I remember vaguely from the movie that they did do some work together in the flower shop.
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When she got the location, it looked like a mess and she renovated it and Jenny Slate's character helped her do that.
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So it seems like to me that Justin listened to her notes and Justin responds, putting kids down, will respond shortly.
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And then she says, you don't have to reply, enjoy your babies, email sent to Matthias, this other guy, and happy belated birthday.
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And Justin says, you couldn't know it was my birthday.
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And then like a winky, and then just like a winky smile.
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So they obviously talked about something like that.
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And then Justin says, side note, was just thinking, dot, dot, dot.
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If we ever end up doing a sequel together, you should direct it.
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This is sent on January 26, 2023, way before the fallout started, or I think the fallout started.
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And way before they even started shooting the movie, he's suggesting even that she should direct the next one.
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She needed to take over this movie as well.
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And Justin says, also, your text to Emily is so damn sweet.
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I guess I need Ryan's number to balance it out.
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I'll only harass him about pretty much everything he does that I'm a fan of once a day, XOXO night.
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So Blake already got in touch with Emily, sending her sweet messages.
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And now Justin is saying, I should do the same thing to Ryan.
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And Blake responds to Justin about getting in touch with Ryan.
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And here at the end, on the 27th of January, this is obviously taken from Blake's phone.
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It looks like Taylor Swift kept a message, an audio message from Blake.
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And when you see text messages from SA on Blake's phone, they're always from Taylor Swift.
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So she obviously sent an audio message to Taylor about 30 minutes after she ended this conversation with Justin.
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I don't know what she said in that voice memo that has not been released, but maybe we will find out whenever this goes to trial.
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Yeah, so Justin already suggested back in 2023 in January that Blake Lively should direct the sequel of the movie.
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I remember him saying that when he was interviewed on the red carpet, that Blake should do the next movie.
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But I thought he just said that because, you know, he wanted to make her happy and say like, I don't want anything to do with this.
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Anyways, so let's look into the text messages between Blake and Taylor again and what happened the day before.
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Okay, so thanks to this timeline, this really stood out to me.
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When I was looking at the text exchange between Blake and Taylor,
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when Blake asked Taylor to do her a favor when she arrived at the apartment when Justin was still there,
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to tell him that she loved the rooftop scene and blah, blah, blah.
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Anyways, the day before that text exchange, something really interesting happened.
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This is the conversation that Blake and Justin had together.
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So he's sharing with her some of the casting choices they have for some people in the movie, I'm guessing here.
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And she says, thank you for sending and for the context.
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And he says, the next few days, we can chat about it tomorrow.
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Then the next day, Justin says, morning for your mom, for the mom in the movie.
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And that's a person that passed, didn't want the role.
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And then it's another name there that we don't know.
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So they had some issues finding the right person to play Blake's mom in the movie.
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And then Blake likes that suggestion that he comes up with.
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She's so grateful that he keeps her in the loop with all his decisions all the time, obviously.
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And Justin sends her a text saying that, thank you for letting me hold your baby.
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So he was obviously at a meeting at Blake's place.
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I mean, according to her lawsuits, at this point, Blake had already pointed out that she
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thought he was a creep because of that comment he made about circumcising a baby and that
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he was circumcised, which she was completely shocked by and Ryan was shocked by.
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But then after that, she let him hold her baby.
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Who would do that if there's a man you don't trust?
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And then Justin says, can I connect you with Alex directly?
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She said in her deposition that she felt that Justin Baldoni was inappropriate sometimes because
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Anyways, he's asking Blake if he should connect the two of them together.
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And Blake says, of course, thank you for wanting to.
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So she's not responding to the thing about Alex here, obviously.
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She's responding to the fact that Justin was grateful that she let him hold her baby.
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So she wants to have the photos that she probably took with his phone of him and her baby.
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Why would she want that if you thought that he was such a creep?
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And then she says, please feel free to connect us.
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And then she says, sorry we hung so much and didn't get as much work done.
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Next time, we all get socially inspired and creative.
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So they obviously had so much fun together, hanging out together, that they didn't get
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to talk enough about the movie, which means that she really likes his company, obviously.
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Why would you make a business meeting into something so personal if you find the person
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And then Justin says, you guys are so much fun.
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I don't know if you guys is her and her baby or if Ryan was there too.
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And they all had so much fun together, hanging out together.
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He's talking about her baby and the baby smell.
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So when you read this, you think that these people are really good friends that hang out
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and they love hanging out with each other's kids, with each other's families.
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So it obviously seemed like they had plans to already meet again the next day because
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on April 12th, the same day as they had this exchange where Justin said, thank you for letting
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me hold your baby the day before, Blake sends this to Taylor saying, if you get her with this
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dofus director of my movie is still here, I'll be ushering him out, but hope he's still
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Can you tell him you're excited for the movie, that you read the book and what you're freaking
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out over is the pages I sent you, what a magnetic scene that is or whatever description you're
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He's a clown and thinks he's a writer now and got this rewrite and told me he appreciates
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Now, the next day, he is a clown and a doofus director.
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And you know the rest of this conversation she had with Taylor, so I don't need to read
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How on earth could Justin have guessed that behind his back here, while she's having him
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over for these like meetings, which turns into a social thing and he's holding her baby and
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they're having so much fun together, behind his back, she is sending text messages to Taylor
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And then, as you know, after Taylor left the apartment, Blake sends her a message saying
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this clown falling for all of it, but also resisting it.
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And then Blake is sending Taylor a photo of Aladdin, just trying to mock him even more,
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And just a reminder, she says this, the most bonkers part to me is him saying to you, he
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It made me more mad than anything he's done to me.
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So at this point, she's claiming that he has done a lot of things to her.
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And still, she had him over the day before and had that meeting with him where they had
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I mean, when you look at this timeline, which I'm so appreciative again over that someone
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did, I mean, she's going to be torn apart by his lawyers in court.
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How is anyone going to believe that she felt threatened by this guy?
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And then she's trying to manipulate Taylor not to like him, saying that, oh, he didn't
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So she's trying her and she succeeded in turning Taylor against him when she's also
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mentioning that he has this brand dissembling toxic masculinity.
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So he's saying that he can't be a feminist because he said to Taylor that he didn't know
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much about pop culture and about her music, I guess.
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The things the thing that enraged me is you are in an absolute league of your own in being
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both the most popular artist alive and one of all time, but also the most respected and
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So she's saying to her, you know, he was so rude to you.
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And and she says and she also said, I've been raging ever since, even though I know it
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He just wants to be in the room, but has to act like he doesn't.
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And then she keeps trashing him throughout this entire exchange here.
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She just said in the beginning that I won the lottery.
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You are the coolest person in the world and you like me.
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But apart from that, this entire exchange, as you remember, is only Blake trashing Justin.
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So to make sure that Taylor is on her side completely here and starts hating Justin as
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Anyways, as I said in the beginning here, I just wanted to quickly go into this documentary
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It's about America's Next Top Model and everyone is trashing Tyra Banks these days.
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I remember when I was channel surfing that I stopped when it was on and I would watch an
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But I do remember thinking like, oh, my God, this is harsh.
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And in this documentary, I think most people react to the fact that she doesn't take any
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responsibility for what happened to these young girls.
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To me, the entire concept of America's Next Top Model is just from the beginning.
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It's so wrong because you bring in a lot of young girls and the premise is that you're
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judging them on the way they look and on their bodies.
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So you push these girls into situations and keep in mind they're hungry probably all the
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And you put them in these situations where they have like these really strong reactions.
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They're having their emotions exposed on television and they have no right to say anything about
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I feel it's a little unfair to blame everything on Tyra here.
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There were editors on this show and you know that those editors wanted drama.
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And they're saying that the public wanted more and more drama.
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So we had to push the envelope further all the time.
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But the way that some of these girls were portrayed was so unfair.
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And I think some of the stuff that they put these girls through is appalling.
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If you watched the show, I'm sure you know what I'm thinking about here.
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They got some of the girls to pull out teeth in their mouths to close a gap, like physical
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Not only cutting off their hair, but actually pulling out.
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And also the worst of the worst, which is this young, really innocent, sweet girl who got
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so drunk that she blacked out when they went to a trip to Italy.
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And one of the men that they had over at a party took advantage of her.
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She wasn't in a position where she could even say no.
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The producers, the cameraman followed her and filmed everything.
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And then the next day they filmed her having a conversation with her boyfriend, breaking
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down on the floor, crying, admitting to him that she had cheated on him.
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And on top of that, she said in this documentary, because she's interviewed here amongst a lot
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of the other contenders and Tyra Banks and the other judges, and she said that people
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would yell at her on the street when they saw her after that.
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And as we can see from the documentary, Tyra took advantage of this moment.
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She even had her on her show and she started poking into it and showing this girl what happened
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This is like, she should have sued them for this, by the way.
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And she's showing it to her in front of a live audience when she admits that she's never
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seen it herself because it was so traumatizing for her.
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And she's showing it in front of an audience and saying, hey, you cheated on your boyfriend.
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And that's another thing about America's Next Top Model.
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And things were different then in terms of what was okay to say on television.
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I think the fashion industry is probably the same as it was back then.
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When you watch a catwalk today and the young girls walking a catwalk, they look exactly as
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skinny as the girls were supposed to be in 25 years ago.
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But back then, the judges were trashing the girls for like gaining weight or saying like
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you, you can never get work if you don't lose weight.
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And keep in mind, these girls were so young and a lot of them came from nothing.
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This was like their once in a lifetime opportunity and they left their jobs at Walgreens and whatever
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and they came to this show and they were accepted and then they were taking advantage of in the
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The thing is, now we know that this entire concept was kind of a scam as well because no one wanted to hire
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Even the ones who won the competition didn't get work afterwards because the fashion industry didn't want
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So they went through all of this and then they ended up not even getting any deals with any model agencies.
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I think that was probably the best thing that could have happened to these girls that they didn't
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I think it's one of the most brutal industries out there.
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So I think that was kind of a blessing in disguise for some of these girls.
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But as I said, I do find it a little unfair that Tyra Banks is getting all the heat here,
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although I completely agree she should have taken more responsibility in this documentary.
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She doesn't say she's really sorry about anything.
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She's just saying, you know, it was different times and it was out of my control.
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I was only an executive producer and the host and the big celebrity and the creator of the show.
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And it was over and there were decisions taken over my head.
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Now they're touring around together, you know, making Tyra the big villain.
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But I do think that they could have done more as well.
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There are situations where the judges, they've been so cruel and so mean to some of these girls.
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And the thing is, when someone says something really cruel to you when you are in a very vulnerable position,
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when you're so young and you have all this pressure on you, that really sticks to you.
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And that can stick to you for the rest of your life.
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But I do think it's great that they're actually putting focus on these shows now.
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But watching this documentary also raised some other questions like,
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why do we enjoy watching people suffering on television?
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But I think a lot of the things that happen behind the scenes on this show as well,
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a lot of the contestants on this show were so manipulated by the producers.
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They were manipulated into having conflicts with each other,
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having conflicts with people outside of the show.
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And that's why I wanted to mention this one show that I watched.
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I think it's four or five years since it came out.
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And I wanted to recommend that show because that show is written by one of the producers of The Bachelor.
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So it's really over-exaggerating a lot of the things.
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But I read an interview with the creator of the show and she said a lot of the things that's in this show
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The way they're creating drama is just mind-blowing to me.
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So if you want to watch that show, it's on Apple TV and on Amazon Prime and it's called Unreal.
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Yes, anyways, to get back to this documentary, I feel like there's the same issue with a lot of these reality show.
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And that is that it's taking advantage of regular people who think that they're going to get a better life from attending these shows.
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And they end up being really miserable after being so exposed and so used for entertainment.
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And I'm sure a lot of these other reality shows, as I said, they probably have an NDA,
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so they can't even talk about things that have happened behind the scenes.
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But I'm sure there's a lot of very similar stories as the ones that we saw on America's Next Top Model.
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Anyways, another thing that was really disappointing to hear is how Tyra treated her other colleagues, all the other judges.
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They were all fired at season 20 or 22 or something like that, and she didn't really reach out to anyone.
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She didn't reach out to one of the judges, Jay Alexander, who suffered from a stroke a few years ago,
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and she didn't really reach out to him or ask him how he's doing.
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And these are people that she's known, some of them, I think him, she's known since she was 16 years old.
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I think it's really sad to see when you treat people so badly, people that have been so loyal to you.
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And then you're saying, oh, my God, I couldn't help it.
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When they wanted to fire you, I just had to do as they said.
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Let's see if there's going to be more stories coming out from this.
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