Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - October 09, 2026


OMG !! Ryan is TOAST !! New Texts Unsealed !

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00:00:00.000 And now it's pretty clear how Ryan Reynolds was controlling everything.
00:00:11.200 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Cereshti Flore, journalist, Hollywood truth teller and
00:00:16.100 your voice of reason in a town built on delusion. Okay, this is bad for Ryan Reynolds. We just got
00:00:26.420 some new text messages unsealed from Blake Lively's lawsuit and now it's pretty clear
00:00:35.400 how Ryan Reynolds was controlling everything. He made all the decisions for his wife,
00:00:42.400 her businesses, and for the movie It Ends With Us. You won't believe this. In regards to this,
00:00:47.900 there's a long thread on Reddit right now where people are discussing how it was probably also
00:00:53.400 Ryan Reynolds' idea to extort Taylor Swift. And also, Ryan took another dig at The Rock a few
00:01:01.000 days ago, which makes me wonder, did he know that the New York Times were going to publish the
00:01:07.800 article that I spoke about yesterday with five women saying that they also got the courage
00:01:14.020 to come forward and file lawsuits after Blake Lively exposed the smear machine? Because in
00:01:21.720 that article, the New York Times points to The Rock as another man behind a smear campaign.
00:01:29.520 Let's look into it. Okay, so we have some newly unsealed text messages. As you probably know,
00:01:36.220 if you follow the Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, Wayfarer saga for a while, we were expecting a big
00:01:43.780 dump of unsealed documents. The judge said a few weeks ago that he is ready to unseal everything
00:01:52.200 that the public hadn't seen yet in this case. And here we go. I've been looking through some
00:01:58.040 of this stuff, and a lot of it is not that interesting. Some of it we've seen before.
00:02:03.420 But this part we haven't seen, and this is about Ryan Reynolds. And as I just said in the intro
00:02:10.880 here? This is bad. These texts are now revealed in reference to a letter that was sent to the judge
00:02:20.020 where Brian Friedman, Justin Baldoni, and the Wayfair Party's attorney said to the judge,
00:02:25.580 hey, you can't sanction us because that's what Blake Lively's party wanted to do. They wanted
00:02:31.600 to sanction them for filing a lawsuit against Ryan Reynolds for defamation. They said it was
00:02:38.300 frivolous and meritless and all that stuff so here the wayfair parties wanted to show the judge
00:02:44.800 that hey it wasn't frivolous we had all this evidence proving that ryan reynolds was trying
00:02:52.140 to defame justin baldoni and they're adding some of the texts here amongst other things when he told 0.91
00:02:59.200 matt damon and his wife lucy that baldoni was a malignantly vain sociopathic for feminists 0.66
00:03:08.000 whom Reynolds cannot believe has not gone to jail, 0.79
00:03:11.660 and also a text that he sent to Patrick Whitesell,
00:03:15.700 the executive chairman of WME, the talent agency
00:03:19.220 that was representing Baldoni and Lively and Reynolds
00:03:23.020 until Ryan Reynolds got them to fire Baldoni.
00:03:26.280 And he says here that Ryan was describing Baldoni
00:03:28.940 as a thoroughbred predatory fraudster 0.98
00:03:33.080 and that he, Baldoni, and his shitbag partner, 0.99
00:03:36.900 talking about Jamie Heath as predators and frauds. 0.96
00:03:41.540 He also told his WME agent Warren Zavala
00:03:45.840 that Baldoni was a real-life monster,
00:03:50.480 that Baldoni had spent $500,000 to retaliate against Lively
00:03:55.460 and that Baldoni and Jamie Heath offended, harassed, or violated too many people.
00:04:01.980 Also, they're referring to a text where Ryan texted Josh Greenstein at Sony, 0.99
00:04:08.820 accusing Baldoni of malignant stupidity and revolting behavior, 1.00
00:04:14.920 and that he also remarked to Colin Hoover that Baldoni was obviously a predator and a sociopath. 1.00
00:04:23.840 And also that Ryan wanted WME, the agency, to unleash Ari on him.
00:04:30.700 Ari Emanuel is one of the top guys over there and he has a reputation of being pretty brutal.
00:04:36.900 He's the one who came out publicly and said he's ride or die for Blake and Ryan and that he did
00:04:43.180 not have a problem with firing Justin Baldoni. Anyways, keep that in mind. Here is one of the
00:04:49.960 now unsealed text messages from Ryan Reynolds to Warren Zavala, his agent over at WME.
00:04:58.840 Ryan says to Warren, you know who has only spent about $500,000 to retaliate, ruining my wife's reputation, and irreparably damaging brands she spent seven years meticulously building from scratch capital letters?
00:05:18.440 To say nothing or the jobs and livelihood those operations provide,
00:05:23.380 I'd say you know who has captured significant more value in this ordeal.
00:05:30.080 Talking about Baldoni.
00:05:31.880 And then he says, I'm taking a Zoom today to discuss folding or handing off Betty Buzz's booze.
00:05:39.200 I often wonder how well he sleeps at night.
00:05:42.120 so Ryan is taking the call to handing off or folding Blake Lively's company Betty Buzz and
00:05:50.100 Betty Boos so yeah obviously Ryan Reynolds is also the man behind Blake Lively's company
00:05:55.820 Warren his agent responds just seeing this yes he's gotten real value talking about Justin
00:06:02.500 Baldoni got value for his $500,000 without a lens into the complete picture I can't see the
00:06:09.220 destruction he says but if you're considering handing off Betty that's the answer so he's now
00:06:16.800 convinced by Ryan that Justin Baldone is the reason why Blake Lively's company is failing and
00:06:25.160 he continues here Warren saying the best way to injure him Justin going forward is for her to
00:06:31.120 regain her power and be present that the truth will seep into the water at some point and yes
00:06:38.940 it did. And then Brian responds, yes the footholds are already in place. I just think SNL should be
00:06:47.460 punted exclusively because of the ticking clock. Simultaneously she should post on social and live 1.00
00:06:55.160 her life and be out front like normal. So it is so clear that Ryan is the one controlling Blake
00:07:05.640 Lively's public persona and her career and her businesses. He's the one giving her the terrible,
00:07:13.680 terrible advice to just be out in the open and act like normal. He also says here that he believes
00:07:21.320 it's not a good idea for Blake Lively to do SNL. She claimed in her lawsuit that she had to withdraw
00:07:28.980 from hosting SNL because of the backlash she was receiving from Justin Boldoni's smear campaign.
00:07:37.180 And here is obvious that Ryan Reynolds made that decision for her. This was supposed to happen
00:07:42.500 on September 28th of 2024 and Lively's lawyers claimed in her lawsuit that Ms. Lively backed
00:07:49.600 out of her scheduled role to host the premiere episode of the 50th anniversary season of SNL
00:07:55.740 live in September 2024. 0.77
00:07:58.660 Jean Smart ultimately hosted that episode instead.
00:08:02.800 And The Independent did a story on this back then,
00:08:05.640 saying Blake Lively has claimed that she backed out of hosting SNL
00:08:09.260 earlier this year because her ends with us co-star Justin Baldonic
00:08:13.280 orchestrated a smear campaign against her.
00:08:15.580 And they're pointing to the lawsuit where Blake said that his smear campaign
00:08:19.820 caused her severe emotional distress.
00:08:22.840 and this is a quote from her lawyer saying
00:08:25.760 the effect of Miss Lively's professional life
00:08:27.980 were immediate and substantial 0.93
00:08:29.520 given the ongoing nature of the campaign
00:08:31.920 and the associated negative public sentiment
00:08:34.220 Miss Lively did not believe she could proceed
00:08:36.880 with public appearances or events
00:08:38.880 without being forced to openly discuss
00:08:41.560 what happened on set
00:08:42.920 she didn't have to discuss what openly happened on set
00:08:47.180 why would she think that she had to openly discuss
00:08:49.660 what happened on set
00:08:50.620 if she was hosting SNL
00:08:52.640 So here it says that Blake Lively did not believe she could proceed with public appearances because of the smear campaign.
00:09:00.820 And it's clear in the text message that this was Ryan Reynolds' decision.
00:09:05.280 At the same time, after her lawsuit settled, which I think was the peak of Blake Lively's unpopularity, she decided to attend the Met Gala.
00:09:16.240 Also interesting that Ryan suggests that she should post on social and live her life and be out front like normal.
00:09:24.280 This text exchange is from September 12th, meaning that it's over a month since the premiere.
00:09:32.860 So now we know, obviously, who Blake has been listening to this entire time.
00:09:37.720 Definitely not publicists, PR people or lawyers.
00:09:41.320 she's been listening to her husband who gave her terrible terrible advice. Then we got some more
00:09:48.240 interesting stuff from Ryan here where he basically in one message confirms that Maximum
00:09:54.100 Effort worked so hard for the marketing of It Ends With Us and in another text he's trying to
00:09:59.880 blame all the bad marketing on Sony asking them to clean up his mess. Here he is earlier in August
00:10:07.400 this is just a week after the premiere this is from august 17th where he's saying where ryan is
00:10:14.080 saying i think it's twofold sony has to advocate in full-throated way that feels real and unequivocal
00:10:20.900 and we have a plan for the other stuff but sony putting their mouth where their money is
00:10:26.480 hasn't actually happened they are threading the needle and they know it they're not offering her
00:10:31.880 an effing iota of protection despite the fact that blake stood up to real life monsters on sets
00:10:39.160 and throughout post post-production the real life monsters she he's referring to here are obviously
00:10:47.320 just boltoni and jamie heath and then he says and she put everything into making this a global hit
00:10:55.500 she threw everything she had at this and and did I and maximum effort despite them barely even
00:11:05.060 paying my company for a massive viral marketing hit and they're letting her hang if this were a
00:11:13.980 man it wouldn't be going down like this so here Ryan is basically admitting that he put everything
00:11:23.860 he had into this movie and so did his marketing company Maximum Effort. If you follow this case
00:11:32.240 for a while you probably know that one of the things Blake Lively also convinced the other
00:11:38.640 cast members to believe was that it was Justin Baldoni who told them what to say in the marketing
00:11:46.980 campaign for the movie. He was the one according to her and her co-stars that said that they should
00:11:53.380 just brush off the real theme of the movie that they shouldn't really focus on tv and that they
00:12:00.520 should focus on flowers instead i mean we already knew that maximum effort was involved in the
00:12:06.540 marketing but here is pretty obvious that they were the one controlling everything and now we
00:12:13.760 also know that ryan reynolds puts everything he had into this movie it's not every day the husband
00:12:20.600 gets to interview his wife's love interest in a film.
00:12:23.560 It's kind of crazy.
00:12:24.300 I don't remember seeing this on the schedule.
00:12:26.780 No, no, no.
00:12:27.340 It's like the light finds him.
00:12:28.860 The light finds him.
00:12:29.880 That's exactly right.
00:12:31.120 That's it.
00:12:31.500 I was expecting not to like him.
00:12:33.360 Oh, yeah.
00:12:33.840 But he is so nice.
00:12:35.800 So nice.
00:12:36.300 He's the nicest guy.
00:12:37.520 So funny, charming, kind.
00:12:39.080 Yeah.
00:12:39.640 What a wonderful guy.
00:12:40.940 What is ayahuasca?
00:12:44.240 I think we found the next Wolverine.
00:12:46.240 And here's his text exchange from the same day
00:12:50.220 between Ryan and his agent Warren Zavala.
00:12:54.960 Here he wants Sony to come out and take all the blame for the terrible marketing.
00:13:00.280 I guess this is after he didn't succeed in getting Justin Baldoni and the Wayfair parties
00:13:05.100 to sign a statement and give to the press that everything was their fault.
00:13:09.600 So here he's trying to blame everything on Sony.
00:13:11.960 And he's saying here, they need, talking about Sony, to frame it the right way.
00:13:17.180 This isn't hard.
00:13:18.360 The sentence needs to start.
00:13:20.020 It feels like they're trying to thread the needle.
00:13:22.360 They just need to effing go straight at this.
00:13:25.120 Sony would like to acknowledge the predominant narrative around it ends with us.
00:13:30.440 That's how Ryan wanted them to go out in public and say this.
00:13:35.160 This is incredibly wrong and untrue.
00:13:38.180 This is part of a systemic and coordinated campaign by a crisis PR team.
00:13:43.920 So he wants Sony to blame the bad marketing of the movie on Justin Baldoni's crisis PR team.
00:13:53.080 And then Warren says, I plagiarized this, meaning that I guess he agrees.
00:13:57.180 And then Ryan continues, and they let her hang on the marketing angle as well, which is unforgivable,
00:14:04.960 saying that it was Sony's fault that Blake went with the bring your girlfriends and florals and popcorn and whatever to watch a movie about TV.
00:14:13.400 this is mess they got her into so now he's saying that sony got her into this mess they are not
00:14:21.240 keeping her safe on every front and then he says the hollywood reporter thing they did was a joke
00:14:26.900 this morning i sent josh this and he's pointing down to something he's pointing to this article
00:14:33.120 in the hollywood reporter where it says it ends with a sony chief praises blake lively for advancing
00:14:39.320 the conversation around dv tony vincecara chair ceo of sony pictures also commended author colin
00:14:47.360 hoover and other women who made the hit movie possible he also famously said in this interview
00:14:54.160 with the hollywood reporter we love working with blake and we want to do 12 more movies with her
00:14:59.660 that's two years ago they still have nothing in the pipeline with blake lively just putting that
00:15:06.220 out there sony if you want to make more movies with blake if you're going to make 12 more movies
00:15:10.480 with her where are they anyways ryan wasn't too excited about this article he was like that's not
00:15:16.660 enough so he's saying this the hollywood reporter thing they did was a joke this morning i sent this
00:15:23.320 to josh and then he's pointing down at his text that he sent to josh and this is what exactly he
00:15:30.260 wanted sony to say it says we see the backlash over how it ends with us was marketed we see it
00:15:37.440 targets blake specifically but marketing and messaging a wide theatrical release like this
00:15:43.460 film is something that is designed and decided by teams of people influenced by deep research
00:15:49.680 and developed performed by teams of experts internationally this work is led by the studio
00:15:55.920 distributing the film and he continues our goal was to release a film that covered an important
00:16:04.180 subject matter that wasn't rooted in female trauma but instead female triumph this is a choice we all
00:16:11.860 made we see and acknowledge any survivors who wish we marketed this differently we see and acknowledge
00:16:19.400 the overwhelming positive impact the message of the film itself has had we're thrilled this film
00:16:25.840 has over-indexed and become one of the great success stories of the year. What a profound
00:16:30.980 moment for women in film. This is what Ryan Reynolds wanted Sony to tell the press. And he
00:16:39.880 just said in a text message just a few days earlier that he put everything he had into this
00:16:47.200 movie and the marketing of it. I mean, I've never seen anyone work so hard of not taking
00:16:52.440 any responsibility for their own mistakes this is just crazy and that brings me to the reddit thread
00:16:59.720 i saw this morning where people were discussing these text messages saying that i bet it was
00:17:04.780 ryan reynolds idea to extort taylor swift and that makes a lot of sense to me when you see
00:17:10.100 how he was trying to blame everyone else how he was putting pressure on people to put words in
00:17:16.260 their mouth because he wanted them to say something to save his wife. And as I've been
00:17:21.960 talking about before, Ryan is not doing this because he's a good husband to his wife. He is
00:17:27.700 doing this because he sees Blake Lively as an extension of his brand, Ryan Reynolds, and he
00:17:34.900 needs to protect the brand. This is not about being a good husband who wants to protect his wife from
00:17:42.380 bad press this is about vying anyways this brings me back to that article that i spoke about
00:17:48.460 yesterday in the new york times where blake lively was portrayed as the woman that encouraged
00:17:54.280 other victims to come forward who had experienced smear campaigns against them as i said yesterday
00:18:01.360 i don't know enough about the other stories the other women in that story to know where the truth
00:18:07.720 so I'm not going to comment on that but I have a lot of other opinions about that article so if
00:18:12.420 you missed my episode yesterday you should go and watch that but anyways a thing I didn't discuss
00:18:17.280 from that article yesterday was the involvement of The Rock how they're also pointing to him
00:18:23.320 as one of the people that allegedly hired the same team as Justin Baldoni to smear his ex-publicist
00:18:32.300 stephanie jones who also used to represent justin baldoni as you might remember stephanie jones
00:18:39.940 wanted to punish justin baldoni and her ex-employee jennifer abel when she left and took justin
00:18:46.580 with her to a new company and that's when stephanie decided to leak all the private text 0.85
00:18:53.700 messages on her ex-employee's phone and give it to blake lively and that ended up in the new york
00:18:58.360 Times and all that stuff. But anyways, this is what I find interesting because now the rock is
00:19:04.360 dragged into this for real by the New York Times. They're saying in this article, hundreds of pages
00:19:11.160 of depositions and discovery materials in her case points to links with other campaigns. In a sworn
00:19:18.340 deposition filed days before the settlement in Miss Lively's case, Katie Case, a former vice
00:19:25.140 president at TAG, which is the crisis management company that Justin Baldoni also hired, stated
00:19:31.000 that TAG and its staff were asked by Dwayne Johnson, known as The Rock, to create a website
00:19:38.040 about his former publicist, Stephanie Jones. It describes Ms. Jones as someone who leaked her
00:19:44.640 clients' secrets and mistreated her employees, the deposition said. Interestingly enough, I think
00:19:52.320 that is a very good description of Stephanie Jones.
00:19:55.960 I mean, there's no way she can deny 1.00
00:19:57.420 that she's leaking confidential information about her clients.
00:20:01.100 She has admitted to giving all those text messages to Blake Lively.
00:20:04.760 But anyways, I find it really hard to believe
00:20:08.400 that The Rock did something so petty.
00:20:11.160 At this time, when they're claiming this happened in 2021,
00:20:16.000 The Rock was, I think, one of the best paid actors in the world.
00:20:20.480 He has like 380 million followers on Instagram.
00:20:24.820 Why on earth would he even bother to try and smear his publicist?
00:20:32.200 But anyways, this is how The Rock responded to that to The New York Times.
00:20:37.440 It says here that Mr. Johnson, in a statement from a representative,
00:20:41.320 denied that he had ever ordered a website against Miss Jones or hired Tag,
00:20:46.540 calling the allegations categorically false
00:20:49.620 and added that he would never commission any company
00:20:52.560 to disparage Stephanie Jones or anyone else.
00:20:55.560 If there is no evidence that he actually hired Tag as Crisis PR,
00:21:00.520 then I find it hard to believe that he actually communicated to them
00:21:04.700 that he wanted a smear website.
00:21:06.680 Before we even have a contract with someone,
00:21:08.940 would you really ask someone to create a website for you?
00:21:13.340 I don't know.
00:21:13.940 But again, I don't know The Rock personally.
00:21:16.220 I've just met him many, many times.
00:21:18.840 I've interviewed him probably five or ten times,
00:21:22.060 and he is always such a delight to talk to.
00:21:25.320 He's such a bundle of energy,
00:21:27.520 and I never heard anyone who worked with him
00:21:29.120 who said anything bad about him
00:21:30.680 except the feud that he had with Vin Diesel
00:21:33.160 and the feud that he had with Ryan Reynolds.
00:21:38.080 So we learned from Justin Baldoni's deposition
00:21:40.820 that Ryan Reynolds and The Rock had a fallout
00:21:44.880 because Stephanie Jones shared that information with Justin Baldoni.
00:21:49.480 So yeah, she does share secrets about her former clients with people.
00:21:53.640 And according to Justin Baldoni, he couldn't remember all the details about that.
00:21:58.000 And he just brushed it off as gossip.
00:22:01.340 But he said that the two of them apparently couldn't stand each other
00:22:05.360 and didn't do any press together.
00:22:07.640 Also, interestingly enough, I've spoken about this before,
00:22:11.320 but there was an article that was published in The Wrap
00:22:14.880 in 2024, in April, where Dwayne Johnson was portrayed as a person with problematic behavior.
00:22:25.500 It said, read one down, how Dwayne Johnson tardiness led to a $250 million runaway production.
00:22:32.980 The Amazon MGM film was delayed to a November 2024 release. All that information obviously
00:22:38.800 came from someone on the inside, either Stephanie Jones, who used to represent him,
00:22:42.720 or Ryan Reynolds who had a fallout with him who's also mentioned in this article in The Wrap.
00:22:49.100 What makes this even more interesting now in regards to that article in The New York Times
00:22:53.740 is the fact that Ryan Reynolds posted a reel on his Instagram just a few days ago where he is
00:23:01.320 mocking The Rock. It's pretty obvious that this character is based on The Rock and this video as
00:23:08.580 well, is a repost of a promotion for Free Guy, the movie Free Guy, that was released in 2021.
00:23:16.920 And now, Ryan, just a few days before this article hit, Ryan decided to repost that reel.
00:23:23.900 And the reason why I believe this is obviously a dig at The Rock is not only the physique of this
00:23:32.240 person but also that he's doing the peck pop the famous peck pop that the rock has been talking
00:23:38.980 about in so many interviews this is called the peck pop of love they will not stop unless you
00:23:47.020 feed them it's been his thing for a while i also mentioned it in an interview i did with him
00:23:52.520 a few years ago when he was promoting one of the fast and furious movies when he was just
00:23:57.820 announced that he was the sexiest man alive it's a cool thing it's a fun thing is what it is right
00:24:04.120 so it was like oh well that's cool okay and then the next thought was oh i'm gonna have some fun
00:24:11.100 with this this is gonna be great because now it gives me an excuse to bring out my ego to people
00:24:17.440 so if i ever get into a disagreement in a business meeting or whatever a creative it said listen i
00:24:22.200 understand what your point is but the truth is i'm the sexiest man alive you're not and then you
00:24:27.660 do the peck and I do that thing and they start moving and everybody gets flustered and yeah and
00:24:33.800 here is a little snippet from the reel that Ryan Reynolds posted just seven days ago it's completely
00:24:41.620 organic and illegal acting is mind over matter and judgment but life is about growth hormones 0.99
00:24:51.080 yeah not only is he making him look stupid he's also he's also playing into the fact that he's 0.97
00:24:58.400 making these protein shakes and this is my morning routine whatever which is something that the rock 1.00
00:25:04.540 does a lot on his social media he's adding the pec pop and he's also saying that he's using
00:25:10.720 growth hormones which is of course in the bodybuilding world known as steroids which is
00:25:18.320 illegal. We all remember, of course, what he did to Justin Baldoni with Nice Pool in the Deadpool
00:25:23.660 movie. So this is right up Ryan Reynolds' alley. And I believe that Ryan knew that this article
00:25:30.680 was going to be published in the New York Times and that they were also targeting The Rock.
00:25:36.940 Of course, he hates this person even more now because he believes that The Rock hired the same
00:25:43.980 people that harmed his wife to harm someone else and in Ryan's mind he needs to be punished
00:25:51.720 and since he published this before the New York Times article was out I believe that he already
00:25:56.900 knew that it was going to be published so yeah let me know what you think about this do you think
00:26:02.700 the rock is Ryan's next target do you think he always needs to have a target I mean when you
00:26:07.640 hear about all these people that he really went after and he went after hard i feel like ryan
00:26:14.520 needs to have several people at the same time that he feels need to be punished yeah because
00:26:20.180 in some sick twisted way that gives him fuel and that gives him purpose anyway that's it for me
00:26:27.700 today you guys thank you so much for watching and thanks for all your feedback all your lovely
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