Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - This is What REALLY Happened !!

00:00:00.400 Blake arrives on set as the most important, powerful person in the room.

00:00:06.000 I know he did.

00:00:06.580 I just said Steve Sarrow.

00:00:07.240 He wasn't even there.

00:00:08.240 He arrived later in the day.

00:00:09.620 He came and watched it.

00:00:10.740 He wasn't even there during the birthing scene.

00:00:17.880 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk.

00:00:19.440 I'm Sjastri Flo, journalist, Hollywood truth teller,

00:00:22.260 and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.

00:00:25.040 and I am the famous, now famous, Adam Monshine with me.

00:00:31.120 One of Justin's friends, Justin's friends who played the gynecologist

00:00:35.760 in It Ends With Us and you've been dragged into this drama as well

00:00:40.780 and we were going to testify together and now we're not.

00:00:44.280 How did you feel about testifying?

00:00:46.080 Well, first of all, it's great to be with you.

00:00:47.860 Thank you.

00:00:48.400 Long-time listener, first-time caller.

00:00:51.140 I was excited to testify.

00:00:52.980 I don't know about you.

00:00:53.800 I was.

00:00:54.220 it was the place you could go tell the truth it was where we could finally have the story heard

00:00:59.640 and not have to worry about being sued or defame you were being accused of defaming

00:01:06.120 her just by telling the truth um because anything you say in testimony is protected speech

00:01:12.060 great and then you can tell it freely and then no because of course they quit she quit team blake

00:01:20.640 they were losing we all that's why we were excited for the trial we knew they were gonna lose

00:01:25.180 and then they did and then they came crawling and the settlement yeah and now this is where

00:01:32.060 we tell our story hey great hey just take a breath i felt it was such an anti-climax

00:01:41.180 when they settled in a sense although i do feel like it was probably the best thing for justin

00:01:47.420 on the wayfire parties did you feel like oh no i really wanted to see her you know sweat on that

00:01:53.980 stand so that's the benefit of us like we we were dragged into it a little bit like you know i didn't

00:02:00.920 love the insinuation it was insulting to be described as just justin's friend who was there

00:02:07.340 to humiliate her and not be the you know i'm classically trained actor i do have some credits

00:02:12.520 I haven't been lucky enough to have her career or an acting family to offer me certain opportunities, but I am good at my job, but to be described in that way was humiliating.

00:02:27.040 It's terrible.

00:02:27.940 Right, it's terrible, but at the same time, no one knows who I am, so it didn't affect my career so much as the pandemic as a theater actor destroyed my burgeoning career.

00:02:39.160 So I had a little less to lose.

00:02:41.300 But to have my name publicly being referred in that way,

00:02:45.100 at first I was like, really?

00:02:47.560 And then the strangers on the internet did just a brief little Googling.

00:02:52.240 And they were like, oh, wait.

00:02:53.660 Hey, he is an actor.

00:02:55.100 Oh, let's look at some of the stuff he's done.

00:02:57.280 Oh.

00:02:57.840 I think you have more IMDb credits than Blake Lively actually does.

00:03:01.260 I doubt.

00:03:01.560 No, no, no, no, no. 0.87

00:03:02.720 She was a serious regular on a few shows.

00:03:04.640 Like, I don't have more credits than she does.

00:03:06.820 But the way that they portrayed you as that, you were this creep.

00:03:09.500 I have more training than she has.

00:03:12.300 There you go.

00:03:13.000 But the way they were portraying you, like, oh, he's this creep that Justin just hired 0.96

00:03:18.320 because he wanted to sit and look Blake between her legs, you know?

00:03:24.300 That to me was just like, yeah.

00:03:28.320 So can you explain exactly what happened on that day where you did the shoot, the hospital scene?

00:03:34.920 because everyone's been talking about that scene

00:03:36.780 so many times and Blake explained

00:03:39.620 that she felt exposed because of nudity.

00:03:43.040 So can you go through that day

00:03:44.480 from the beginning to the end?

00:03:46.260 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:03:46.740 Let's do it.

00:03:47.100 Let's talk about it.

00:03:47.800 Okay, so this absolute professional set

00:03:54.220 because it was a Sony co-produced venture.

00:03:58.820 It's a multi-million dollar movie.

00:04:01.160 Everyone involved in the crew, the DP,

00:04:04.280 He, these are, this is their careers.

00:04:06.960 This is decades of experience.

00:04:08.480 They are professionals to the nth degree.

00:04:11.120 And at no time does it feel like an unprofessional experience.

00:04:15.600 The extras, the grips, everyone is working and doing their best because everyone cares

00:04:22.940 about doing their best.

00:04:25.500 Blake arrives on set as the most important, powerful person in the room.

00:04:31.620 She's the number one on the call sheet.

00:04:34.280 time magazine's most influential people like she's not a wilting flower she has a team of people 1.00

00:04:41.520 there she's got assistants she's got all of her own people then there's costume and makeup and 0.79

00:04:47.240 everyone to make sure that the star is happy she's also inserted herself as a producer as a creative

00:04:55.440 on the in the project and so she's constantly in conversation with justin as they're choreographing

00:05:02.140 the scene as they're setting up where the camera is going to be yeah please anything yeah because

00:05:07.420 i now i get really curious what was the what was the what was it like between them at that point

00:05:13.640 did you sense anything okay so it was at that point we're still early days in the transformation

00:05:21.060 of her into the monster that she became um this is still this is the frustration of dealing with

00:05:28.660 the big personality this is the frustrations i think that a lot and her reputation in the industry

00:05:34.000 uh apparently that i was unaware of until then um is called me i know i'm so glad we know each

00:05:41.320 other now but yeah that would have been so easy just one phone call we're thinking of casting

00:05:46.560 blake what do you think no okay sorry so yeah it's still early days so it's just the frustration

00:05:56.560 of the creative pushback. So it still feels like they're all heading towards the same place

00:06:02.940 to make a movie. She hasn't fully gripped the reins and tried to yank away control.

00:06:09.440 It's the slow, subtle, I see it in retrospect as trying to quietly push him. And so she was

00:06:19.700 questioning his creative decisions. Are you sure you want to do that? Oh, maybe this would be

00:06:25.200 better this was the subtle beginnings this was the text messages this was the you know i don't

00:06:30.300 get enough credit and i have dragons and i have support and i'm the you know i've ghost writ this

00:06:35.200 and i've done that and so one question also before i forget oh yeah was this before or after the

00:06:40.720 strike this is before okay so this is before her 17 point list of demands that this was shot okay

00:06:47.780 so this is early days so they hadn't shut down uh for the strike uh the covid protocols and stuff

00:06:54.100 and all that like it was all it was all still we're moving forward um it was just the difficulty

00:07:01.020 and i guess the normal stress of working with someone like her or working with her specifically

00:07:05.460 that uh the team was discovering so they were trying to handle her in the best way that they

00:07:10.780 could to keep her energized and interested and committed so that she would show up on time

00:07:15.700 sometimes to stuff you know let alone fittings but like call times and stuff um so the scene

00:07:22.800 begins uh you what's shot is basically you see the entire room it was a small you know this was

00:07:30.840 shot in a uh no longer used medical facility completely empty uh that's now used for tv

00:07:38.220 shows and stuff and so it was made this hospital room can only fit so many people in it and there's

00:07:43.200 doors and it's a it's a closed set there weren't strangers wandering through or anything like she

00:07:47.480 said oh my god it's ridiculous i know he wasn't even there he arrived later in the day 0.98

00:07:52.780 I gave him shit for, pardon me, I gave him shit for not being there for the scene. 0.99

00:07:58.480 He came and watched it on- 1.00

00:07:59.900 He wasn't even there doing the birthing scene.

00:08:02.200 I think she gets confused with the bearded people, maybe, the gray beards.

00:08:06.060 She confused us.

00:08:07.600 I don't know.

00:08:08.320 But he didn't arrive until later that day. 0.99

00:08:10.680 I gave him shit for missing it. 0.99

00:08:12.580 He watched it on Video Village or whatever. 1.00

00:08:14.760 They played it back.

00:08:15.420 But he wasn't in the room.

00:08:16.600 He didn't come in and say anything.

00:08:18.020 He wasn't there. 0.97

00:08:19.380 Ridiculous. 0.67

00:08:19.740 it was closed set only essential personnel just like a regular production and she's involved in 0.65

00:08:27.120 the discussion of how the scene's even being choreographed like where's the shot set up the

00:08:31.140 dp needs to light everything they have to make sure and she's he's talking uh justin is talking

00:08:37.040 to blake uh how the characters are emotionally where you know where we are in the story like

00:08:43.280 because this is after the domestic violence has happened and here's this baby how are we engaging

00:08:49.420 with each other i think we should hold hands what do you think of this and she's like yeah maybe

00:08:53.120 stand here and then a hand on the leg and all everything is being done with her so the whole

00:08:59.440 thing is well for my part as we're rehearsing it i'm holding a live baby beautiful a real baby a

00:09:06.740 beautiful live real two-month-old fresh baby covered in raspberry jam and cream cheese to

00:09:13.500 make it look like it was just been born and the baby's parents are there in the room with us

00:09:18.620 because of course they are that's their baby they don't just toss it to somebody and say

00:09:22.900 good luck in hollywood they are there so their comfort was my first priority the baby the lot

00:09:30.200 i don't know if anyone's ever experienced holding a live baby before it's it squirms and it's also

00:09:35.400 naked and it's not pleasant for the baby it's covered in jelly so it was great the baby was

00:09:40.680 fantastic um and and so i'm rehearsing pretending to deliver it to do so i am comically far away

00:09:50.460 from her because i like i said this on pierce morgan she would have to have shot the baby out

00:09:56.540 for me to catch to be not like you're not like right pardon me you're not like right there

00:10:02.100 you're like set up so that the camera angle makes sure that it seems like you're there but when you

00:10:07.920 see even the shot you can see her legs in the stirrups i'm by her ankles the doctor would be

00:10:13.160 so much up in there at the time to make sure that everything anyway wow i said i said this uh

00:10:20.060 to somebody today with the popcorn planet bit uh because they were they read the statement that she

00:10:25.480 made about being covered with a thin piece of fabric yeah which we are now apparently in her

00:10:31.780 world these are thin pieces of fabric everyone is naked under their clothes i don't know if you know

00:10:36.500 that but underneath your clothing you are naked and apparently it's very inappropriate

00:10:40.660 to her because she was fully clothed she has a robe that she comes in with with her team we have 1.00

00:10:48.140 the footage oh yeah it's all right there she has her gown she has this giant expensive prosthetic 1.00

00:10:54.140 belly it covers completely i mean and it's like leotard attachments underneath or something like 0.99

00:10:59.340 it's it's very expensive and custom made for her and then she's wearing whatever undergarments she

00:11:05.860 chooses to wear i don't know what she's wearing because there's black bicycle shorts there and 0.99

00:11:11.400 and at no time even in the scene like maybe a little shoulder is showing but her hospital gown

00:11:16.440 never came off nothing was ever they didn't simulate breastfeeding they didn't do anything

00:11:22.700 like that baby i hand the baby to her there's a fake umbilical cord situation also more expensive

00:11:29.500 than most people were paid you know it's very to get it to look real apparently is uh it's

00:11:34.420 significant they have to fake cut it so there's a couple of them and we have to choreograph that

00:11:39.220 and we have to do it a few times at no time is you know this very influential powerful person

00:11:46.760 uncomfortable because everyone would know immediately that's a really good point because

00:11:52.760 you know we all know blake lively by now and what she's really like as a person she's not a person

00:11:59.020 that would let anyone boss her around or do anything that she doesn't want to and as she

00:12:04.020 said herself she was responsible for wardrobe so if she wasn't comfortable in that and you at no

00:12:10.480 point did she say anything about being uncomfortable no because you have also her team and assistants

00:12:16.280 saying everything are between setups so for those of you that don't know how um films are made the

00:12:23.520 process between camera angle setups can be very long so the actors go away they they have stand

00:12:30.420 they have different they don't need to be there the whole time while lights are being set up

00:12:34.300 and so she has every opportunity to move you know her feet aren't in the stirrups as she describes

00:12:39.860 as just being somehow forgotten as though she's there yeah she's staying there but everyone's

00:12:44.140 having lunch and she's real up has anyone seen blake oh i left my lunch on her like oh sorry

00:12:49.360 she's so quiet i forgot she was there it's just i thought this was a table oh my god no at no time

00:12:54.980 is she the wilting wallflower

00:12:57.740 that like they've somehow described

00:13:00.340 that she was forgotten and cold and shivering.

00:13:03.080 Everyone will get going in and out of the room.

00:13:05.600 Could you imagine number one on the call sheet 1.00

00:13:08.700 with the reputation that she has, 1.00

00:13:10.880 if she was slightly uncomfortable 1.00

00:13:13.040 that we wouldn't be hearing about it

00:13:15.520 as the only thing that happened in the day.

00:13:17.800 Today would be over.

00:13:18.720 Yeah, I mean we heard about it now

00:13:19.940 for almost two years.

00:13:21.220 I'll be going to my trailer forever.

00:13:23.680 She would do that.

00:13:24.980 I mean, no doubt she would.

00:13:26.260 I mean, the call times and stuff,

00:13:28.460 you should try to get the second AD

00:13:29.980 who's responsible on a set

00:13:32.080 to make sure the times are held.

00:13:34.260 Maybe that person was supposed to testify, I hope.

00:13:37.200 I hope so, too.

00:13:38.100 Because they would be able to tell you the schedule

00:13:39.980 of how often people were waiting for her to,

00:13:42.740 okay, we were supposed to start shooting now,

00:13:45.500 and what is she doing?

00:13:46.040 So she was late a lot? 0.99

00:13:47.040 Well, it's classic kind of behavior. 0.99

00:13:49.600 Late all the time.

00:13:50.340 Didn't, you know,

00:13:51.580 some of it you ascribe to like,

00:13:52.980 oh, she's the star.

00:13:53.820 she's she's this so costume fittings you know she's doing her own costumes so i don't know

00:14:00.140 i'd love to hear from the costume designer what they have to say yes i would love to hear from

00:14:04.440 so many people about this so this was but this is the thing i think people are really afraid

00:14:10.040 still yes and so those those of us who gave up their idea of a career a long time ago

00:14:17.800 in the entertainment world people like us they're like oh no my acting career what was it before

00:14:23.540 i'm happy to help my friends that are doing things and whatever uh and i coach and you know

00:14:28.860 let me help lift this but as far as like fear of lost opportunities for acting goes like i don't

00:14:35.240 i don't have that fear so i don't worry that i'll upset ryan reynolds and blake lively from

00:14:41.120 whispering into the ears of studio heads and producers don't work with this person yeah but

00:14:46.400 if you're an actor with some cachet and you're building your career that's a significant threat

00:14:51.600 Or if you're an industry professional and you might work again on a set with a Ryan and a Blake or their team somehow, you worry about what are they going to say?

00:15:02.320 It could cost me a job.

00:15:03.580 Wow.

00:15:04.060 Yeah.

00:15:04.500 So I think that's kept a lot of people quiet.

00:15:06.200 Yeah.

00:15:06.780 And I also think regarding, you know, the trial as well for some of these people who were set to testify for them, that could also be career ending in a way, you know, especially for the ones I think who were forced to

00:15:21.500 support Blake some of the other actors which I kind of feel sorry for but then again I mean

00:15:27.460 they're like such cowards all of them if you ask me just like you know letting her get away with

00:15:34.340 everything I think to be fair though I do think it's scary yeah you know it does take a lot of 0.98

00:15:39.000 courage to stand up and say okay I'm gonna tell the truth it could impact this career I'm I've

00:15:46.740 sacrificed for and build but also if you don't know justin and you're like i don't think she's

00:15:53.680 telling the truth but i don't know him you saw you go in the middle which everybody sort of did

00:15:58.360 because they didn't offer full-throated defenses of blake's behavior and they didn't like come out

00:16:03.800 and be like well her integrity and her this and i can't believe and i watched justin xyz none of

00:16:10.680 that yeah so i think they were too scared to give their truthful experience because justin's a

00:16:16.700 wonderful director he's there and this was the thing i think that hurt him the most was that he

00:16:21.360 with those actors that he cast was creating a really great bonded friendship of artists working

00:16:28.460 together and everything seemed to be going very well so when people are then not standing up for

00:16:35.080 you i think that also kind of made him feel like oh wow i really thought we were it's so heartbreaking

00:16:40.440 that part to me is just so heartbreaking and for him I feel like everything he had to go through

00:16:46.340 when this was going on and then afterwards having to read those text messages that what people said

00:16:51.560 behind your back just that like you know it's so gut-wrenching to to see and to read that stuff

00:16:59.900 that he I mean I can't even imagine how he's still standing at the moment because for me you know I

00:17:05.800 went through something a tiny bit of what they were experiencing but just for like a little week

00:17:11.000 there when people thought i was part of the smear campaign and you know the hate i received and all

00:17:16.640 the backlash was so horrific and that was just like compared to how that this has been with them

00:17:23.840 it's just yeah awful awful just a little eyedropper yeah of that experience right which is terrible

00:17:31.080 because you're being accused of something you didn't do yeah and it puts your integrity out

00:17:35.500 there yeah and what he was accused of is so much worse than what i was accused of but that feeling

00:17:40.260 that human feeling of being misjudged in the scene is exactly the same and we get just that taste

00:17:45.600 yeah and that's why i think when blake's team came crawling in to settle to staunch the bleeding

00:17:52.300 i think that's why they really contemplated like okay let's let's settle this yeah i think because

00:17:58.920 the idea of continuing to do that in trial in court in the news again there was nothing to win

00:18:06.300 for her at this point but let's get back to yes to to the set again because this is really

00:18:11.080 interesting because i we have never we haven't really got to hear about what it was like on the

00:18:15.900 set i wondered so many times and you just told me before we sat down that ryan reynolds wasn't

00:18:20.440 really there when you were there and you were there for a significant amount of time i was

00:18:24.660 their early days pre-production because they had hired me Justin hired me as his acting coach

00:18:29.520 that was what I was originally being paid for that was why I was there he's wearing two hats

00:18:34.580 he's directing and he's acting and he cared so much about it being a great movie about it being

00:18:41.680 a truthful telling of the book but it has to also now translate to the visual medium so he wants to

00:18:48.280 do a great movie and to do that he's acting and directing so he respects me as an actor and he

00:18:55.420 invited me to be his acting coach I was honored and I was there and we're working because he's

00:18:59.740 working as director basically at the office during the day and he'd come and we'd meet to do acting

00:19:04.780 coaching sessions in the evening and he'd tell me what was going on during the day and how things

00:19:09.940 were unfolding and the slow you know build of her just being difficult turning in eventually into

00:19:17.560 what it was but i was there the whole time ryan was only a presence in her life and so there was

00:19:24.080 that meeting that um when she was trying to rewrite parts of the script and justin was like a lot of

00:19:30.320 this is great i love your passion but i think the original stuff we need to kind of keep this for

00:19:35.500 the through line of it he gets this invitation to come over to her house and surprise taylor swift

00:19:41.540 is here and ryan reynolds comes in and everyone's love bombing him but also kind of really saying

00:19:48.080 how talented she is how great they thought the rights in the script were and he's sitting there

00:19:53.960 feeling a little overwhelmed because you're surrounded by some of the most popular people

00:19:59.600 on the planet that you not only respect their work but you dream of being their friend of being

00:20:06.540 in that same circle and it seems more possible than ever that you could be uh in that place

00:20:13.600 and the conversations you could have and we could be friends but he had this weird feeling when he

00:20:19.380 came back that he was like i feel like they were trying to pressure me to take her changes so he

00:20:25.300 talked to you about immediately afterwards and was like i i felt a little weird and i was like

00:20:30.100 really oh that sounds like a crazy like you you hung out with guess who you hung out with you

00:20:34.200 know i'm just like i'm overwhelmed because i wasn't there but he his spidey sense was tingling

00:20:39.400 he was like i feel like they were trying to at that point still it was gentle manipulation it

00:20:47.540 wasn't overt but he had a feeling that this was like a move and he left with like a i don't know

00:20:55.000 how it didn't feel genuine oh i can't believe those text messages that we now seen because

00:20:59.520 we've seen text messages between justin and blake and how they were talking being very friendly

00:21:04.020 to each other and then you see the text between taylor and blake when she's like oh my doofus

00:21:09.520 director blah blah blah she is really like and that's where i believe her by the way that's where

00:21:15.260 i say you're telling the truth that's how you feel behind closed doors cameras are off that's 0.86

00:21:21.220 where we get the truth from her yeah he's a doofus yeah like so mean but that's how you have the 0.97

00:21:29.300 opportunity in those private text messages to say I feel unsafe yeah he's he's a creep he's making me 0.98

00:21:35.360 feel dirty he's very Weinstein-y in here or something she could say anything that leads us 0.97

00:21:41.940 to go like oh wow she was really that was the through line no she says he's a dummy and I have

00:21:47.500 to do it all yeah she's to me I go that was what you felt you didn't like him as an artist because

00:21:55.060 you didn't think he had enough credits as a director and he to his the thing he would change

00:22:00.440 that he has shared with me is that he would be a little more protective of how vulnerable he is

00:22:05.300 because he really tried to show all of his cards to her and that was just blood in the water for

00:22:11.820 them and they just dove in and tore it open because he was like he would share from a humble place

00:22:18.560 you know i i really want this to be good and you know if i do anything that you don't think is

00:22:24.560 cool like uh artistically if i'm directing you in a way that you think there's a better idea tell me

00:22:30.600 and instead of seeing that as like a very human very honest connection between artists

00:22:36.160 she was like oh i i could take this whole thing

00:22:39.680 tuck it in her thin piece of cloth it's so sad it is so sad i feel so sorry for justin like i think

00:22:49.820 like magna said i think that you know we were talking about when really things turned for

00:22:55.240 everyone was when they saw those photos of justin and his family and friends in the basement

00:23:01.060 because that i was there i was there too i was there too we were separated for the premiere

00:23:08.060 because this is when so the emotional terrorism that's happening is holding the film hostage at

00:23:14.120 various moments because she's threatening to not do press she's threat and the press as you know

00:23:20.300 is one of the most important parts of marketing a film yeah that press tour that we everyone tunes

00:23:26.560 in to see all the different questions and then that's very key that's their up fronts you know

00:23:32.200 for television like this is your time to go schmooze it and be charming and sell people on

00:23:37.660 you so people want to see the film she was like i'm not going to do the press tour which is huge

00:23:41.640 the star yeah so Sony has to capitulate so Wayfair has to capitulate what do you need what can we do

00:23:47.540 and so she's like I don't want to be on the carpet with him I don't want him to be in the same if

00:23:54.040 there's a green room don't want it the same I want separate theaters I mean separate theaters so there

00:24:00.560 were two separate theaters and in one there was her and the stars of the film and Colleen was in

00:24:07.000 her it was in the bigger theater and in the small was friends and family and crew and the people

00:24:11.340 that were like not afraid to stand on justin's side for their futures and we had to wait down

00:24:18.460 in amc's overflow basement of crates of sodas and they provided us very sweetly with little

00:24:26.740 popcorns and they tried they put all these card tables together it must be weird for them too

00:24:32.480 working there like what's going on why would we need to do this star of this movie and the director

00:24:36.800 and you're in the basement it was out of body and for justin and the spiritual among us it's these

00:24:45.180 continual like humbling moments where you're like okay let's roll with it like let's take let's take

00:24:52.440 the high road in whatever form that that looks and be gracious and get through it because the

00:24:58.340 important thing was the movie and he kept saying that the important part was what the movie stands

00:25:03.280 for what it's about the things she wasn't talking about during the press tour the things she refused 1.00

00:25:08.500 to in between selling her hair care and booze products right was domestic violence and their 0.96

00:25:14.700 non-profit partnerships with these things so that these conversations could be had

00:25:19.520 crazy did you meet ryan reynolds at that never met him never because at the at the premiere

00:25:25.400 we were separated yeah so you know and at that point the shots had been fired the the crazy

00:25:31.720 um ambushing meeting and the angry ryan yelling at justin and about all of these things taken out

00:25:39.660 of context had happened already so the damage was done there was no like and it hurts because i like

00:25:45.720 before that i'm a fan yeah i would have loved to shook his hand when we talked oh there's a fly

00:25:50.500 in here it's so annoying i was to come to it was outside early i'm like i'm not gonna let that in

00:25:55.860 there we're so popular yes fly on the wall but anyway so um uh what was your like first meeting

00:26:04.160 with blake like like because you said to me yesterday when we were on the phone he said

00:26:08.380 to me that you know you actually try to you know understand her and try to even defend her a little

00:26:15.420 bit when things were getting more difficult for justin because not not knowing her i want to play

00:26:21.980 the balancing part of a friendship like you know you're going through something your friend should

00:26:26.040 try to hold you accountable to try to find the you know instead of just diving into like yeah

00:26:31.000 she sucks uh it's the well hold on let's try to understand because we get our part we understand

00:26:36.440 ourselves let's see if we can see from her eyes and i was still coming from a place of 0.98

00:26:41.360 she got my vote for being in the movie like i was if i'm a fan of her as an actor i liked a lot of

00:26:47.860 her choices i find her when the camera's rolling on the thing she was very generous she was very

00:26:54.020 open like amazing and then cut and then nothing but when i met her i had locked in the chamber of

00:27:00.960 so great to meet you i'm a big fan uh and justin says you know this is uh one of my close friends

00:27:06.720 adam he'll be playing the role of the doctor you know in the thing and she's like hi and i was like

00:27:13.020 and then immediately turns to continue her artistic conversation and i was like cool that's

00:27:18.720 how it is hi uh great i'm pushing it i was just like i've been very like high and dismissive

00:27:24.080 you've interacted with some celebrities who are very uh closed yeah before i've fortunate enough

00:27:29.120 to have met a lot of people and sometimes different energies are like cool and i was like oh so that's

00:27:33.620 how it is yeah great i the only time i talked to her after that was post the scene when we were

00:27:39.380 all wrapped okay and there was like a round of applause and i was like that was lovely so how

00:27:43.400 was she after the scene though after the birthing scene well she's you know the exhaust it was

00:27:47.420 exhausting to pretend to be giving birth and different cuts of the scene but she i said that

00:27:52.480 was that was wonderful work it was really lovely and she was like thank you and and that's what i

00:27:57.400 got and i was like oh she said thank you great maybe because she was too tired to be to be worse

00:28:03.980 But she, thank you, and that was it.

00:28:08.020 And great.

00:28:08.840 And the whole thing to me, the experience was great.

00:28:11.580 We did it.

00:28:12.560 What a wonderful, well-executed, well-shot scene.

00:28:16.760 I left feeling like great.

00:28:18.940 My God.

00:28:19.580 And then you read about it in her lawsuit later.

00:28:22.120 And we're like, how?

00:28:23.520 How?

00:28:24.040 And I remember also reading about that fake tummy, the prosthetic tummy, where she talked about, this was a later filing,

00:28:31.520 where she talked about how justin was pushing for nudity in that scene and then she was referring

00:28:36.860 to her fake stomach being being exposed that is a fake but she's so connected as an actor

00:28:44.180 that now that's part of her oh yes of course she's so method about it of course oh my gosh

00:28:52.580 and then after this so after you you're done with your scene were you still on the set for a bit

00:28:59.860 I hung out for that day.

00:29:02.300 So we shot my scene during the morning.

00:29:04.840 Okay.

00:29:05.240 And then Steve Sarawitz had arrived.

00:29:07.420 And so I was hanging out with him because we're friends and talking about the hopes for the movie and the importance of the story and all of that.

00:29:15.260 All of these dreams, right?

00:29:17.340 And I have friends of mine were doing kind of a behind the scenes footage kind of thing.

00:29:23.220 So I was hooking up with them.

00:29:24.780 Good you got that footage.

00:29:26.500 I know, right?

00:29:26.880 Oh, my gosh.

00:29:27.520 Saving the day.

00:29:28.240 because there's the truth argue with the video i guess and so i was there to support justin for

00:29:33.560 the day and chat with him between scenes and got to see uh the last scene that they did was that

00:29:39.100 hospital scene where she is showing the bite mark bruise in the uh thing and then she finds out that

00:29:45.360 she's actually pregnant in that because they can't do an x-ray or whatever um so i was there for the

00:29:50.660 shooting of that scene and it all went well all of it was shot it was shot beautifully and it was

00:29:55.940 executed great and between the different setups talking with brandon talking with

00:29:59.660 justin talking and he watching him because he's not in that scene he's just directing that scene

00:30:05.440 just watching how he was interacting with her and and then yeah yeah so were you there you were

00:30:11.520 there only before uh the strike right you didn't come back after they signed that 17 point list i

00:30:19.240 was i was at i was home at that point being connecting with him occasionally to hear about

00:30:25.580 some of the updates so how i'm so curious on how the cast and crew could you feel anything like the

00:30:31.880 energy there while you that's the thing is while you're there it feels like a professional film

00:30:36.040 set it feels you i couldn't feel anything when i shot the scene because there was nothing to feel

00:30:42.340 this was happening production wise behind the scenes and it was a slow burn it's like the

00:30:47.800 boiling frog analogy the water's getting turned up so slowly that you never know that it's gotten

00:30:53.540 to boiling at that point right um so the crew itself wouldn't have known there was a significant

00:31:01.100 issue i don't mean to speak for the whole crew but like they might be getting little hints or

00:31:06.580 that was weird like but subtle and slow it's like slow dripping over time wow how interesting so

00:31:15.500 the way the media has portrayed this i mean what do you think because i've been like reading almost

00:31:22.480 every article i could find on this and i've been in shock as a journalist myself i am so ashamed

00:31:29.220 on behalf of other journalists who who's been writing and especially of course the new york

00:31:33.800 times article to begin with but how the media has spun this in her favor throughout this entire time

00:31:41.780 what are your thoughts on that that's great i mean it's a really great question because when it first

00:31:48.180 when the new york times article comes out and this orchestra very orchestrated collection of

00:31:54.800 hollywood reporter and deadline and new york times very much in her camp and close to her pr

00:32:01.080 you know thing it was a coordinated attack released like before christmas or something

00:32:07.060 right before a holiday right before a weekend so there could be no response they took over a news

00:32:11.320 cycle and so that's the conversation and at that level it's maniacally brilliant because it is

00:32:20.260 it is playing 4d chess with the public's mind so when you don't know justin is not as recognizable

00:32:29.740 he doesn't have as much uh notoriety as a blake or ryan reynolds for that matter people are like

00:32:36.500 huh i guess that's true yeah and so the media hooks their teeth as you know into if it bleeds

00:32:44.860 it leads and if justin feels like a chunk was taken out of him and he's bleeding now

00:32:50.840 it felt like you know he was the soup du jour and they just went at it thankfully over time

00:32:59.280 as we watched that was a brief explosion of this this occurred you get some of that press

00:33:07.800 and the media going like yeah and then people started to do their due diligence because everyone

00:33:14.120 deserves to be heard she deserves to be heard even if i know that it's not real someone told

00:33:20.800 you the joke today i have to say that deserve to be heard you mean amber heard oh wow i don't want

00:33:28.100 anyone no one deserves that no one deserves that anyway sorry about that but that's too good that's

00:33:34.180 too good yeah because that's really what we're talking about is here and i think that's what

00:33:38.740 they were capitalizing on yeah the announcement doing the damage and then for the normal people

00:33:45.520 out there the threat of these powerful people and what they can wield litigiously with untold

00:33:51.860 resources would exhaust anyone yeah they're worth hundreds of millions of dollars and more

00:33:58.400 who could stand the last two years and the hourly wages of the lawyers they are wildly wealthy good

00:34:06.220 for their legal services i've been saying this and i really mean it they really need to take

00:34:11.040 some people out to dinner and and thank them for keeping their businesses afloat and the new cars

00:34:17.040 and boats they'll be buying now we're hearing that they spend over a hundred million dollars

00:34:21.020 on this so yeah and it's a lot of hard work and the lawyers the lawyers deserve their money but

00:34:26.640 when the lawyers win everyone else is losing but they always there is always the lawyers that win

00:34:31.680 especially in cases like this i feel like it's been so unfair and also like like you're saying

00:34:36.800 about the media i feel like there's been one reporting in the media and then there's been

00:34:40.700 another reporting on social media and it's been very different because in social media like i've

00:34:46.360 been doing and a lot of my colleagues we have been digging into the legal papers and really

00:34:51.780 done our due diligence while reporters they're just like skimming the surface and picking up

00:34:57.100 what everyone else is writing about and like just slapping a title on it without even really

00:35:02.500 thinking about what they're actually doing so i think that's been really really fun and i'll add

00:35:07.200 to that that i think that same fear because journal entertainment journalists need access

00:35:13.740 yeah and there's a lot of like not and they have integrity of course but there is a lot of like

00:35:19.620 wheeling and dealing and making sure because the pr people need favors they need good coverage but

00:35:25.540 no one's asking anyone to make up a story but they are asking for positivity and they want to make

00:35:32.580 sure that this is done to help because then later we'll come to you and offer you the exclusive

00:35:38.260 And again, we're dealing with Blake and Ryan who can carry news cycles.

00:35:44.220 And so I think early days, again, those entertainment reporters were in an impossible situation until, and this is the credit to the, they tried to silence these independent journalists who were doing their due diligence and really shaming some of these reporters who should have done their due diligence.

00:36:03.020 They didn't subpoena any reporters working for traditional media.

00:36:06.460 Nope.

00:36:06.620 It was only independent ones because they knew it would hurt us the most.

00:36:12.080 Because it costs you money to make sure that you're fulfilling the subpoena, make sure this lawyer.

00:36:16.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:17.460 Sorry.

00:36:17.900 Go ahead.

00:36:18.620 Yeah.

00:36:18.940 No, I was just wondering, you know, when did you speak to Justin after she had filed the lawsuits and what was that like?

00:36:26.140 Wow.

00:36:28.580 So almost immediately because I was also named in it.

00:36:31.660 So it was very much like, you know, you should know that this is happening.

00:36:35.640 And it was just a ton of bricks being dropped down of like, oh man, why, why, why is she

00:36:44.820 this way? 0.81

00:36:45.420 Why would she do this?

00:36:47.040 It's so desperate.

00:36:48.320 It's so, it's transparent to us that no.

00:36:52.580 But now it starts this whole cycle of negative news.

00:36:57.900 And the, again, the accusation sits until it can be disproved.

00:37:03.380 and the damage is done because for a little while he becomes radioactive because no one even wants

00:37:08.300 to deal with it you're like oh this just sounds so i don't want to even talk i don't want to find

00:37:12.520 out who did what they're exhausted before it begins and so then no one is taking the time

00:37:18.040 and they just have made up their minds and so that feeling early on was very much like as a friend

00:37:24.080 again trying to offer some balance and my belief is still high hopes so we offered those kind of

00:37:31.360 but he must have been so devastated and truly shocked because i think you know as everyone

00:37:37.280 has been saying now like this would have just gone away people would have stopped talking about it

00:37:42.680 you know she left like some people were calling her tone deaf a bully whatever but that would

00:37:47.960 have disappeared within a few months and people had already forgotten about all that when you

00:37:52.940 know she filed the lawsuit and then just like bam like a nuclear bomb and then to for justin

00:37:59.440 to just try i mean i'm sure he just started to feel like himself again after like healing after

00:38:06.680 all the things that she did and then she does that it yeah i mean that's the thing is that

00:38:13.880 i think you said it perfectly that feeling of healing that feeling of like oh how do we just

00:38:19.140 move beyond it what a bad taste in your mouth how do we clear this away uh i i've learned some

00:38:24.960 lessons of dealing with this type of personality like on to the next project and then yeah she

00:38:33.220 took it there and then we have the last year and a half of this nonsense i mean yeah as i said so

00:38:42.220 many times i can't even begin to imagine what it's like for him emily his wife his children

00:38:48.080 his parents can you believe it like for a mom to hear that something like that about your son oh

00:38:54.040 Wait, I saw it.

00:38:55.300 I weighed on them.

00:38:57.080 Because you're powerless to get in front of it, to defend them.

00:39:00.060 And that's a terrible feeling.

00:39:02.740 I was talking about Emily just today.

00:39:04.820 She is amazing. 0.61

00:39:06.080 You would love her.

00:39:06.900 I'm sure I would.

00:39:07.860 I would love to meet you, Emily.

00:39:09.880 And she's Swedish.

00:39:11.340 You guys could talk about Vikings and everything.

00:39:15.100 She's wonderful.

00:39:15.960 She is a powerful presence.

00:39:19.160 She is a beautiful human being.

00:39:20.920 I saw that text message from her and I knew exactly who she was.

00:39:24.040 she was the one who made sure that they never signed that statement and I'm so glad they didn't

00:39:30.380 the statement that Ryan Reynolds wrote to make them look like it was all their fault that Blake

00:39:35.980 Lively was tone deaf during the promotion of the movie and Emily said no way no chance so I'm so

00:39:44.360 glad that she did that and I think that says a lot about her as well as a person and yeah I can't

00:39:50.840 even imagine what they've been going through and you too because it's not obviously been easy you

00:39:56.740 know to because the way that they described you was like you were this creep so i mean

00:40:01.120 she was so humiliated and then that part should have gone to a local hire which is such a like

00:40:07.680 again for those of you who don't know how sag after works the difference between a local hire

00:40:13.780 and a not local hire is contractual.

00:40:17.920 It means I have to pay money to fly myself somewhere

00:40:21.380 and put myself up during the course

00:40:23.660 of how long they need me.

00:40:25.120 And it helps when you live in a place

00:40:27.560 because you don't have to spend a lot of money.

00:40:29.440 But actors try to be not just bicoastal, but tricoastal.

00:40:33.780 I'll go anywhere the work is.

00:40:35.440 So I'll be a local hire for however long

00:40:38.300 I need to Airbnb a place for

00:40:40.260 and go be a part of the community.

00:40:41.560 Now, it helps that I'm from New York.

00:40:43.100 my wife and I have family in New York

00:40:45.240 but that's not even how she started her complaint

00:40:47.400 it was I didn't have enough credits

00:40:49.220 and then when the internet started going

00:40:51.380 like now wait a second he is an actor what do you mean

00:40:53.300 he doesn't have enough credits it shifted

00:40:55.680 to because you saw that Hollywood

00:40:57.480 Reporter article that came out

00:40:59.480 and they were like the only thing he's ever done has been 1.00

00:41:01.500 a Baha'i documentary movie so I must 0.98

00:41:03.380 just be in a cult with him 1.00

00:41:05.400 so insulting

00:41:07.260 talk about an insult and then

00:41:09.280 denigrating of a belief that no one

00:41:11.380 no one wants to like do a little due diligence and find out that we're not a cult um but that

00:41:17.040 whole thing going to where it eventually would lead to leads us to go why how why why is it like

00:41:27.120 this why are you like this yeah there's something very very wrong with these people i i just can't

00:41:33.800 get inside their heads i really don't i don't think that they are sociopath i'm not gonna say

00:41:39.000 like i i'm not a doctor but i feel like these i played one on tv yes oh that's another thing by

00:41:45.560 the way i just remember you told me yesterday on the phone that they were asking you her lawyer

00:41:50.640 subpoenaed him and asked him are you a real doctor i could either prove why my acting resume was good

00:41:59.940 enough to get me considered to be in the movie or my actual real life experience as an obgyn these

00:42:07.080 were the only because how could i had to send in my acting resume and like the awards that i've won

00:42:13.000 and the special things i've done with the royal shakespeare company and like stuff that like

00:42:16.840 i had to send you feels dirty it feels like why do i have to prove myself but thankfully that's

00:42:22.600 what i mean like thankfully people were like no he is actually an actor and i didn't have to say

00:42:27.220 anything and then they tried to change it to oh it should have been a local guy so she's standing

00:42:33.240 up for the little guy yeah i don't know if you knew that i stole that job yeah she's standing

00:42:38.260 up for all the women in the world all the girls and all the children as well oh she's she's so 0.99

00:42:44.040 altruistic yeah you know all survivors of which is why she settled for zero dollars 1.00

00:42:49.720 oh what a victory for all of the victims she really carried that torch all the way to the 0.99

00:42:55.960 finish line well and then to add on that she wants money now which is also you know just adds up to

00:43:03.220 how she's doing this for all survivors not even victims but survivors that's the word that her 1.00

00:43:09.260 her new attorney refers to her as money for the smear campaign and retaliation against

00:43:16.900 something that never happened that was dismissed that there is no evidence of

00:43:21.380 so what what were you smeared for what are people retaliating against if they're not guilty of the

00:43:28.700 thing you accused them for to start with i know that's the question i've been asking so many times

00:43:33.260 and i think the law is really you know it's very slippery slope they can twist and turn turn things

00:43:40.420 around and the more you pay for your lawyers the more they'll do for you and i spoke to my lawyer

00:43:46.400 today and i asked him you know would you do something like this you know go out and claim

00:43:51.320 victory and he was like no way never this is so unethical what they just did saying that she

00:43:59.640 she won these lawsuits and also i was just reminded of it wasn't even 13 claims at first

00:44:06.340 it was 15 oh that's right yes because she dropped her two first claims of emotional distress she

00:44:12.820 dropped them yeah because she didn't want to share her medical records had no evidence of it yeah

00:44:18.680 so those two she dropped them i think in like august or september or something like that or

00:44:25.940 maybe it was earlier but she dropped those two and then the judge dropped or dismissed 10 and

00:44:32.320 then she dropped her last three and she won i mean i don't know what losing would look like for her

00:44:38.780 if that's winning that's exactly right it's like what does defeat look like it's such a good

00:44:44.840 analogy like okay you won i guess good job it's like the kid that you're afraid to get upset

00:44:51.760 who keeps losing it whatever the family board game is and you're like oh no honey you actually

00:44:56.700 won that's fine you're always letting them win yeah that is very please don't throw another

00:45:02.280 tantrum oh my god do you have anything you want to add here at the end to the audience everyone

00:45:08.420 here or most people here unless you were like i don't know but most people here really really

00:45:12.860 love Justin and I heard you talk about him on other shows or podcasts about what an amazing

00:45:19.520 person he is and what he did for homeless people in LA you were talking about and other things so

00:45:26.340 what should people know about Justin that they don't know I'm really glad that I'm really glad

00:45:30.880 to talk about my friend uh he's somebody that people are lucky to get the chance to know and

00:45:37.060 And I can't say enough about how big his heart is and how legitimate he is.

00:45:45.300 And I think it's very telling that when someone is very genuine about being of service and love, that an industry like Hollywood meets that very skeptically.

00:45:56.700 and so I would say that I really hope people take the time to it sounds trite to say do your own

00:46:05.360 research but like for real do your own research and just trace trace the steps of where Justin

00:46:12.860 has come from and where he ended up and then you know make up your mind after you've dug in a little

00:46:21.300 bit read his book and listen to some of his podcasts what is he talking about like he's a

00:46:26.860 good dude yeah everyone i've heard speaking about him who ever worked with him except blake lively

00:46:33.360 and the people she brainwashed around her says that he is such an amazing guy so kind and so

00:46:39.580 generous and so he shows up completely yeah into whatever space he's in and he knows like

00:46:45.300 how he comes across how he looks and he's very conscious of like not wielding that in any way

00:46:53.480 you no one has ever expressed in my 20 years of knowing him and seeing him in different areas

00:46:58.680 has ever expressed a feeling after meeting him that somehow he's wielding some sort of power

00:47:05.160 or that he's manipulative in any way at all he is so genuine that this is i've said this before

00:47:11.220 Or that his worst thing that he's guilty of is being a little cheesy about it.

00:47:16.900 Like, because he's so sweet.

00:47:19.180 I mean, real.

00:47:20.000 He's a person.

00:47:21.340 But, like, he really means what he says.

00:47:23.600 And he, like, wants to know.

00:47:25.460 So, like, you feel like when he's looking at you, you're being seen.

00:47:29.140 And he's like, how can I show up for you?

00:47:31.560 He doesn't like it if you're, like, talking about him for too long.

00:47:35.020 He'll kick it over to you.

00:47:37.820 Which, hopefully you'll get a chance to chat with him.

00:47:40.800 Yes, I really hope I get to meet him.

00:47:42.820 When he's healed and feels a little bit more centered in his creative heart,

00:47:48.560 I have the feeling, and I've talked to him, he wants to share his story.

00:47:53.000 And what you'll see is someone who, literally, I can share this with you.

00:47:56.760 This is exclusive.

00:47:58.420 Exclusive of awesome talk, you guys.

00:48:00.000 Is that he prays for her.

00:48:04.300 Wow.

00:48:05.240 That as much hurt has come to his family.

00:48:07.980 Wow.

00:48:08.400 in his quest to find his own peace and forgiveness is such a long it's such a loaded word it's so

00:48:16.260 long yeah but there is this sense of how can i find peace with this yeah and the best thing he

00:48:23.540 can do is kind of the thing that sets her off a little bit on one of her lists yeah was that he

00:48:30.960 prayed for her father yeah who had passed away yeah and that this was something that he was doing

00:48:37.220 out of the kindness of his heart and he shared it with her yeah and they weaponized that against him

00:48:41.820 not realizing that this is like what that's his beliefs she doesn't have to you don't have to

00:48:47.040 believe you believe whatever you want to believe he was saying i was thinking about this trying

00:48:51.440 to connect with her and so the high road is a thing you know like they try to go we'll go high

00:48:57.700 go low there is a sense of when he does his media tour it will be about how he feels and his family

00:49:06.080 feels and moving forward you are not going to see someone rip into blake much to the chagrin

00:49:13.040 i'm sure of the entertainment lawyers yeah uh writers yeah he's not going to be saying negative

00:49:18.260 things about her he hasn't as he hasn't yeah i i was like and he won't we know who he is now

00:49:24.720 because we haven't seen one negative text message where he says anything anything bad about blake

00:49:30.460 he's just saying you know this is difficult this is a situation i need help to you know

00:49:35.400 sort this out but he never ever said that i think that's really telling because who who you would

00:49:40.580 expect someone else in that position yeah to use every opportunity to sink some fangs in and never

00:49:47.580 let their claws out right yeah nothing no i am i admire him so much for that i have to say i

00:49:55.440 what he has done now will go down in history books of like how to you know how to really

00:50:02.260 behave or react to a situation like this he has been so honorable the the entire time and i feel

00:50:09.560 like he's such a good role model for women and for men agreed yeah it's like a quest for grace

00:50:16.280 yeah which is not easy it's a fine line and he has worn this on his shoulders and they're exhausted

00:50:23.140 of course i can't even imagine i saw him walking out of that first settlement hearing when blake

00:50:29.020 came in first like by herself i i looked at justin i was like wow he hasn't slept in so long his

00:50:36.040 face he wears it so tired and i was like oh i feel so so bad for him and his family and yeah

00:50:45.160 do you want to say anything else before we finish our philosophy talk this was so exciting to be

00:50:50.740 here i say tak for me oh you remember i taught him to say thanks for having me i'll never forget

00:50:58.400 in norwegian and you did perfectly thank you so much adam thank you for having me stay in touch

00:51:03.500 you live just up here yes it was so nice to meet you i can't wait for the next opportunity

00:51:07.960 maybe we'll talk about something else could you imagine this not being part of the general

00:51:12.320 conversation yeah well oh the day that'll be a wonderful day i know for sure we can get together

00:51:18.820 and talk about anything else let's do it let's do it you're so great all right thank you so much

00:51:23.780 thanks everyone

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