Fresh & Fit - Chris Pavlovski Meets FreshandFit

00:06:10.000 And we are live.

00:06:11.000 What's up, guys?

00:06:11.000 Welcome to Refreshed Podcast.

00:06:12.000 We are with the Rumble CEO, Chris Pavlovsky.

00:06:14.000 Let's get into it, baby!

00:06:15.000 Let's go!

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00:07:33.000 We good?

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00:07:34.000 Alright, sorry about that, guys, for the double audio.

00:07:36.000 Welcome to the Freshman Podcast, guys.

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00:07:39.000 Give us twos if it's still here in double.

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00:07:44.000 Guys, welcome to the podcast, man.

00:07:46.000 We're here with Chris, CEO of Rumble for Money Monday, man.

00:07:49.000 We're really excited for this episode.

00:07:50.000 We've been waiting to get this to you guys for a while.

00:07:53.000 Last time, you were really, really sick.

00:07:56.000 So, obviously, we couldn't do the pot or whatever.

00:07:58.000 We're happy to have you now.

00:08:00.000 Quick announcements.

00:08:00.000 It's actually funny.

00:08:01.000 Top of the line, guys.

00:08:03.000 Rumble.com slash FreshFit.

00:08:04.000 As you guys know, that's where to find us.

00:08:06.000 If we ever get canceled or whatever it may be, that's the home base for us.

00:08:09.000 CastleClub.tv as well, man.

00:08:10.000 Check us out over there.

00:08:11.000 So, you know, if the Matrix attacks or whatever, you guys will know exactly where to find us, man.

00:08:16.000 The home of free speech.

00:08:17.000 Rumble.com slash FreshFit.

00:08:18.000 CastleClub.tv.

00:08:19.000 And we gotta say, man, without further ado, welcome to the podcast.

00:08:23.000 Chris Pawlowski from Rumble.

00:08:28.000 So happy to be here.

00:08:31.000 You know, like the last time you were mentioning, I don't know what happened.

00:08:34.000 I got smoked from who knows what.

00:08:38.000 I had like the flu and it just took me out for like a week.

00:08:42.000 So happy to finally be here.

00:08:43.000 Sorry I couldn't make it the last time.

00:08:45.000 No worries, man.

00:08:46.000 We're here now, so...

00:08:47.000 Let's go.

00:08:47.000 And special mention, when we were down and out, we were having rough times with different platforms, trying to figure things out.

00:08:53.000 Rumble came to our rescue.

00:08:55.000 So without Chris, this would not be possible, even the podcast itself.

00:08:57.000 Yeah, I wouldn't have Fresher Fit, really, if it wasn't for Rumble, man.

00:09:00.000 So shout out to Chris and Rumble's, you know, standby and creators.

00:09:03.000 And we'll definitely talk about that a little bit more.

00:09:06.000 But Chris, for the audience, man, can you introduce yourself to them real quick?

00:09:09.000 We know who you are, but they might not.

00:09:10.000 Can you please introduce yourself to them?

00:09:12.000 Yeah, you bet.

00:09:13.000 So I'm Chris Pawlowski.

00:09:14.000 I'm founder and CEO of Rumble.

00:09:17.000 That's me.

00:09:19.000 So how'd you get started in tech?

00:09:22.000 Obviously, you're wildly successful.

00:09:23.000 You've been able to build a great platform that's rivaling juggernauts in the field like YouTube and Twitch, etc.

00:09:31.000 How'd you get your start in tech?

00:09:33.000 Yeah, so I've been in this for over two decades.

00:09:37.000 I was building websites out of my parents' basement.

00:09:42.000 I started, I guess, in high school.

00:09:46.000 That was the age where I kind of really started dabbling in the internet.

00:09:51.000 And then it was like, it's actually a funny story because in 2004 or 2005, one of my good friends from high school, this is post high school now, sends me a link to a website.

00:10:06.000 And at this time I'm running like funny video websites.

00:10:10.000 And he was running like actually one of the largest video websites on the internet called Zippy Videos at the time.

00:10:17.000 And And he sends me a link and he's like, check these guys out.

00:10:22.000 They're going to dominate the space because Zippy, I can't afford the bandwidth costs anymore.

00:10:28.000 And the link was, and this is before they were big, like they weren't even, I think there was a ranker out there called Alexa.

00:10:35.000 And he was like a top 50 on Alexa, global websites.

00:10:40.000 And YouTube was like 15,000 at this time.

00:10:43.000 And the link he sent me was YouTube. 1.00

00:10:46.000 And I was like, shit. 0.94

00:10:47.000 Two years later, YouTube's getting acquired by Google, and they end up sucking up all the oxygen in the room as Google started integrating them into their search engine and mobile phones after that, and ended up kind of dominating – not kind of, 0.99

00:11:03.000 but dominating – The video space, post-acquisition of when Google bought them.

00:11:11.000 You saw Dailymotion, Meta Cafe, you saw Live Video, Zippy Videos, they all basically, Break.com, they all kind of ceased to exist.

00:11:22.000 Was this like in the mid-2000s?

00:11:23.000 This is 2007 to 2010.

00:11:27.000 Everyone kind of went belly up in the video space and YouTube just took over the whole space.

00:11:34.000 Inside and out, they monopolized the whole thing and they became the only real viable online video platform.

00:11:48.000 Fast forward to 2010 now, you probably remember the maker studios, the full screens, all the people that are managing talent on YouTube, the multi-channel networks, MCNs is what they were called at the time.

00:12:05.000 Specifically, they ended up becoming this new ecosystem that was built on top of YouTube.

00:12:12.000 And then we started to notice, I started to notice at that time that there was a lot of deprioritizing of the small creator, your friends, family, aunts, and uncles.

00:12:23.000 And the multi-channel networks, the full screens and the makers and all the big influencers, the corporations, the brands were getting...

00:12:32.000 All this attention and they seem to be getting prioritized on YouTube.

00:12:39.000 So I thought there was like an opportunity starting to emerge around 2010, 2011 and by 2013 I decided that I'm gonna go all in on it and try to help the small creator.

00:12:52.000 So I launched Rumble at the end of 2013.

00:13:00.000 We're good to go.

00:13:17.000 And then, you know, as time progresses, you get to 2020.

00:13:24.000 The 2020 election cycle kicks in, and something dramatic starts happening.

00:13:32.000 It was, I remember, like, very vividly, because it was in the summer of 2020 that I got a phone call From the ranking member of the U.S. House Intel Committee.

00:13:51.000 To put this in perspective, I'm a Canadian. 0.95

00:13:55.000 Getting a call from U.S. congressman that's on the House Intel Committee and the Gang of Eight member is like, holy shit, am I under investigation? 0.98

00:14:06.000 What is going on? 0.99

00:14:07.000 I was freaking out.

00:14:08.000 Of course.

00:14:09.000 I get a phone call from him and he asks a really simple question.

00:14:13.000 He's like, Chris, if I bring my podcast to Rumble and I search for my name, am I going to find it?

00:14:20.000 And I'm like, yeah.

00:14:22.000 Thinking that there's some censorship investigation going on in the house.

00:14:26.000 And I'm like, absolutely.

00:14:28.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 And he's like, okay, so we're going to bring it and we're going to see if that happens.

00:14:32.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:14:33.000 So, you know, talking to my engineers, making sure if you typed in Devin Nunes, it's going to come up.

00:14:38.000 Devin Nunes podcast.

00:14:40.000 But yeah, it worked.

00:14:41.000 And, you know, this is the craziest thing.

00:14:46.000 Because you have an elected member of Congress, a gang of eight member, the ranking member of the House Intel Committee that's been on YouTube for four years prior to me speaking to him, and he's got like road signs in his district Promoting his YouTube channel and his podcast on YouTube.

00:15:06.000 He comes to Rumble and within two to three months, he has like two to three hundred thousand subscribers on Rumble.

00:15:13.000 Whereas on YouTube, in the four years that he was there, he has ten thousand.

00:15:17.000 Wow.

00:15:18.000 How is that possible?

00:15:20.000 How is it that you can have ten thousand and you're like...

00:15:25.000 Promoting in your district for four years.

00:15:28.000 You've had your podcast on there, and you go to a different platform, and all of a sudden, you go to Rumble and get 200,000 to 300,000 subs overnight in two to three months.

00:15:37.000 That shouldn't happen.

00:15:39.000 Not to an elected member of Congress, but that did happen.

00:15:42.000 And that was kind of like the opening that we saw, is that there was a real opportunity here to kind of really...

00:15:52.000 With what these other platforms were doing, we can now step in.

00:15:57.000 It almost goes back to the same premise of starting Rumble in itself.

00:16:01.000 The prioritization that was happening to big creators was now happening to the deprioritization that was happening to small creators is now happening to massive creators on YouTube.

00:16:14.000 And they were deprioritizing them in some way, shape, or form.

00:16:17.000 Because I remember I would go there and I would search Devin Nunes podcast and you couldn't find it.

00:16:21.000 You go to Rumble, you find it.

00:16:24.000 And this was like, you know, this obviously led to like Dan Bongino coming onto the platform.

00:16:31.000 He was, and once he came on, everything changed.

00:16:34.000 He's huge.

00:16:35.000 He brought on, at that time, Diamond and Silk came on, Dinesh D'Souza came on.

00:16:43.000 It was like a We had a flood of craters after he came on.

00:16:46.000 The floodgates opened, and within a year, we had the 45th president of the United States on Rumble.

00:16:55.000 And that happened, I think, in mid-summer of 2021.

00:17:00.000 So, I would say by the mid-summer of 2021, we had a pretty good lock on the conservative world in terms of the political world on Rumble.

00:17:14.000 We had pretty much everyone that you can think of.

00:17:20.000 Obviously, some weren't there, but a lot of them were there.

00:17:23.000 And that sent us into this massive growth stage where we went from 1 million monthly active users to 30, 40 million monthly active users in a span of a year or two.

00:17:37.000 We took in our first outside capital.

00:17:40.000 We raised money from JD Vance's Naria Capital, Peter Thiel, and Colt Ventures, and even Vivek Ramaswamy was in that first round that we did.

00:17:53.000 Shout out to him.

00:17:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:54.000 My people don't know.

00:17:55.000 He was kind of one of the early investors in it.

00:17:57.000 Yeah.

00:17:58.000 And that was in mid-2021, May, I would say.

00:18:03.000 April, May-ish time period.

00:18:06.000 And then, you know, fast forward to 2022.

00:18:09.000 We end up going public in September of 2022 in a multi-billion dollar market cap valuation.

00:18:17.000 And that brings us to where we are today, here in the Fresh and Fit podcast studios. 0.99

00:18:22.000 Let's fucking go, baby. 0.87

00:18:25.000 I gotta ask you this, Chris, because I noticed this when Elon Musk did an interview, and he said one of the first things he noticed when he took over X... Was that there was a considerable amount of censorship on conservative creators versus liberal creators. 0.99

00:18:41.000 And that's just on X where you're texting things.

00:18:44.000 Would you say you saw that also on the video sharing side where you got guys like Don Bongino, congressmen, etc.

00:18:50.000 that might have conservative belief systems getting suppressed in big tech?

00:18:55.000 So, something was going on.

00:18:59.000 Something is going on.

00:19:01.000 I don't operate these other companies.

00:19:04.000 I can't speak to what they're doing.

00:19:07.000 But I can tell you what I observe in the anecdotes that I see.

00:19:11.000 But when you have someone like Congressman Devin Nunes go from 10,000 on YouTube to 200,000 to 300,000.

00:19:20.000 It's crazy.

00:19:21.000 It's insane.

00:19:21.000 There's a million on Rumble now, subscribers on Rumble.

00:19:24.000 That shouldn't happen.

00:19:26.000 You can call that censorship.

00:19:28.000 You can call that some type of shadow banning.

00:19:31.000 In these cases, they weren't actually banned.

00:19:34.000 They were censored in some way, shape, or form.

00:19:38.000 And that was happening.

00:19:39.000 And it wasn't...

00:19:40.000 It didn't seem to be coming from all sides of the aisle, but I will say that that's changed a lot in the recent years.

00:19:50.000 The censorship has now kind of gone into various different areas.

00:19:55.000 We've attracted people from both sides of the aisle now on Rumble.

00:20:00.000 I remember it was 2021, and Russell Brand shows up on Rumble, and he's not a conservative by any time.

00:20:09.000 At least in my understanding, he's not a conservative.

00:20:13.000 But he shows up randomly.

00:20:15.000 I didn't know until two weeks after he showed up in late 2021 that he showed up on Rumble.

00:20:22.000 We also attracted the former Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard onto the platform in 2021.

00:20:30.000 We brought on Glenn Greenwald as well.

00:20:33.000 It really kind of expanded more than just conservatives.

00:20:36.000 Today, it's far more now.

00:20:39.000 Now we have Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:20:43.000 on the platform, also using our cloud as well.

00:20:48.000 We're really kind of in all areas with content in all areas now.

00:20:53.000 But yeah, to answer your question, something was going on and probably still is going on, if I had to guess, when it comes to censorship and political candidates, etc.

00:21:07.000 And I actually think something worse will happen this time around.

00:21:12.000 So in 2020 and 2021, we saw a litany of bannings happen due to COVID, etc.

00:21:22.000 J6, all that.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, all different types of reasons.

00:21:25.000 They found a reason to ban a lot of people.

00:21:28.000 I think the new type of censorship is going to be far more intelligent, and I'm already seeing a lot of signs of it.

00:21:36.000 Banning someone is super obvious.

00:21:39.000 You can see it, you can feel it, you know it's there, and you can fight against that.

00:21:45.000 People will scream, and that word will spread.

00:21:50.000 But when you're shadow banned in an intelligent way, where, let's say, AI gets involved, and, you know, your content's coming and showing up to your loyal users, but not showing up to the users outside of that loyal base,

00:22:06.000 now that's getting intelligent.

00:22:08.000 And you don't know you're banned.

00:22:09.000 You don't know you're shadow banned.

00:22:10.000 I think that's the next iteration of censorship.

00:22:13.000 I think it's already starting to happen on platforms.

00:22:16.000 Just my two cents.

00:22:18.000 I think it's going to be an incredibly intelligent censorship operation in the next few years.

00:22:26.000 I think the banning, they learned a lesson because in a lot of ways it opened up opportunities for other companies.

00:22:35.000 Now you're seeing a whole economy emerge and now they're changing their rules.

00:22:40.000 YouTube's like, okay, we can talk about elections again.

00:22:43.000 So they're clearly...

00:22:47.000 They're adapting and I do think a lot of these platforms are going to be participating in some really intelligent style censorship that we can't see or very easily detect and it's going to be all done through AI and technology.

00:23:03.000 I would argue it's happening right now, wink wink.

00:23:06.000 Chris?

00:23:07.000 I think it is happening right now.

00:23:10.000 I'm seeing some evidence of that happening right now.

00:23:14.000 The censorship that I'm starting to see or hear about is very deceptive.

00:23:22.000 I think the year of 2024, I think deception is going to accelerate to a level that we The people that we might think are on our side are not really on our side.

00:23:31.000 I think deception is at a whole new level in the next couple years.

00:23:37.000 And that kind of dovetails into censorship.

00:23:41.000 I can see the fakeness.

00:23:43.000 I can sense it.

00:23:45.000 I can smell it.

00:23:46.000 It's there.

00:23:48.000 But it's just very hard for people to see.

00:23:51.000 I think the idea of the Trojan horse is very relevant in today's current climate.

00:23:56.000 But Chris, the word free speech is thrown around a lot, you know, from different platforms, different people.

00:24:01.000 What is your definition of free speech?

00:24:03.000 That's a good question.

00:24:06.000 So I particularly don't use the word free speech.

00:24:09.000 I'm from Canada.

00:24:10.000 I use the word freedom of expression, which is also in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19.

00:24:19.000 It's a human right.

00:24:20.000 That you have the ability to speak freely, free speech, freedom of expressions.

00:24:24.000 To me, it's the same thing.

00:24:27.000 Online, there are gates that you have to abide by.

00:24:36.000 Anyone that's claiming they're free speech absolutist online is not being authentic.

00:24:43.000 You cannot be, to the definition of what we understand a free speech absolutist is.

00:24:51.000 It bothers me when I hear people say, you know, I'm a free speech absolutist, and then the next thing you see is there's a compliance with the government or whatever, and it's just nonsense.

00:25:03.000 It's not real.

00:25:04.000 Right.

00:25:06.000 So it's hard to say that Rumble is like a free speech absolutist platform.

00:25:11.000 It's not, because there's guardrails that force us not to be.

00:25:16.000 And that comes into the whole technology ecosystem.

00:25:20.000 Rumble is the tip of spear, in my opinion, in terms of mass size that's pushing and tilting the system back into place to the way we understood the internet to be.

00:25:33.000 We're the tip of the spear.

00:25:35.000 I really believe that.

00:25:36.000 And we do things that other platforms don't, even when they claim that they're free speech.

00:25:42.000 And I'm not sitting here and claiming Rumble is a free speech absolutist platform.

00:25:45.000 It can't be because of the app stores.

00:25:47.000 The app stores are guardrails.

00:25:48.000 If we want to reach the mass market, you have to abide by the app stores.

00:25:53.000 Period.

00:25:54.000 So that's like one major guardrail.

00:25:57.000 The other guardrail for other companies, which we do not have, and it's very unique to us in this system, is the cloud.

00:26:07.000 Parler.

00:26:08.000 We all know Parler.

00:26:10.000 They got shut down after January 6th based on the premise that, you know, Yep.

00:26:22.000 Yep.

00:26:26.000 Yep.

00:26:38.000 But the more important problem for them, the one that turned the lights out, the one that put them basically out of business from our perspective, is Amazon, AWS. They shut off the lights.

00:26:51.000 They didn't know where to put the website.

00:26:52.000 They couldn't find a host.

00:26:54.000 They couldn't find a cloud provider.

00:26:56.000 This was like a major wake-up call for us at the time because at the time, Rumble was running on bare metal.

00:27:02.000 It wasn't using any of the incumbent cloud platforms, but it was running on bare metal.

00:27:08.000 And bare metal is great because you're leasing servers, and you're kind of building on top of it, but it's not good enough.

00:27:16.000 And I'll tell you guys a story that, you know, no one knows, and I'll tell it today.

00:27:20.000 All right.

00:27:21.000 I have an exclusive.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, a little exclusive here for the Refresh and Fit pod.

00:27:27.000 But, like...

00:27:29.000 We were on bare metal, and that was good at the time.

00:27:32.000 It was enough to sustain us through a period where no incumbent cloud platform can knock us out.

00:27:38.000 We're distributed with multiple companies, multiple server companies, and we were able to survive on that basis at that point in time.

00:27:49.000 It became really apparent for us that that wasn't good enough and that we needed to invest, we needed to get investment, and we needed to invest heavily in building our own cloud.

00:27:59.000 And not only did I see it as existential for Rumble, I know it's existential.

00:28:05.000 I'll give you this example that I'm never told.

00:28:08.000 Not only is it existential for Rumble to be on our own cloud, But I also felt there was a need for other companies like Parler or whatever it may be, whether it's a religious university that Amazon AWS doesn't agree with on a religious perspective,

00:28:27.000 or whether it's a business that doesn't have the same values as Amazon AWS. We decided to build a cloud that's not just for Rumble, the existential threat to Rumble,

00:28:43.000 but for the greater public.

00:28:44.000 And we launched it last week, which is a huge milestone.

00:28:48.000 Rumble now doesn't have the guardrail of someone else telling us on an acceptable use policy at the host level.

00:28:56.000 No one's turning the lights off anymore on Rumble.

00:28:58.000 That's not happening.

00:29:00.000 And now every business out there can have trust in a provider that won't turn the lights off on them.

00:29:05.000 Based on some ideological or some opinion that someone might have or some thought or any type of expression they might have, we're going to be operating very differently than Amazon AWS,

00:29:23.000 Google Cloud, GCP, and Microsoft Azure.

00:29:28.000 So that did happen.

00:29:30.000 But let me step back.

00:29:33.000 I think, I'm just trying to remember the date.

00:29:36.000 It might have been, it was, I think it was July 4th weekend, where we had...

00:29:44.000 This year?

00:29:45.000 It was, I think, 23.

00:29:47.000 It could have been 22, actually.

00:29:50.000 It might have been 22, or 23.

00:29:52.000 It's either 23 or 22, where...

00:29:56.000 When was the Russia war?

00:30:00.000 When did that start?

00:30:01.000 Oh, I think 21 it started.

00:30:03.000 So it's probably 22 then.

00:30:05.000 But I can't remember the time flies and dates get all mixed up in my mind.

00:30:10.000 I think it started February 2022.

00:30:12.000 Where we actually, behind the scenes, and we already had a lot of infrastructure by this period kind of built out, where Rumble had the available infrastructure in place, our own servers, the ones that we actually own and bought with our money.

00:30:31.000 And we were setting up a CDN, we were setting up the cloud, we were setting it all up.

00:30:37.000 And we get a notice from, at the time, it was IBM saying they're shutting us down.

00:30:43.000 Wow.

00:30:45.000 That happened on a July 4th weekend.

00:30:48.000 Did they even say why?

00:30:49.000 It was so brutal.

00:30:51.000 They couldn't cite a policy.

00:30:53.000 They didn't have a policy that we violated.

00:30:56.000 We didn't violate anything.

00:30:58.000 They were citing EU stuff, not American stuff.

00:31:04.000 And, you know, at that point in time, it was all hands on deck that weekend.

00:31:13.000 And it was like a miracle.

00:31:17.000 Like, all our...

00:31:19.000 All our engineers came on deck.

00:31:21.000 We moved everything as much as we possibly could over to the Rumble infrastructure.

00:31:27.000 And we survived without even the lights going off for a second because we just invested in the right place at the right time.

00:31:35.000 It was way faster than I thought it was going to have to happen.

00:31:38.000 But we did it, and it was like...

00:31:42.000 I remember I tweeted something on that weekend on July 4th.

00:31:45.000 It's July 4th.

00:31:48.000 We were literally...

00:31:50.000 We were...

00:31:54.000 We're defending and protecting freedom of expression more than anyone at that very moment and our whole team was working overnight that whole weekend on July 4th weekend and it's like a story that I hold very very dearly to myself and it's one that you know All the engineers that were behind that and getting that up,

00:32:12.000 they're heroes.

00:32:13.000 They're, like, heroes for doing that.

00:32:15.000 And that happened behind the scenes.

00:32:17.000 And now we're at a place where, you know, it's many years past that now.

00:32:20.000 Now we have our own cloud.

00:32:22.000 We're, you know, uncancellable.

00:32:24.000 We were uncancellable at that moment, too.

00:32:26.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 Which was great.

00:32:28.000 But, like, it was, you know, we didn't want to go 100% on our hardware at that point in time.

00:32:34.000 It was like we were trying to do it nicely.

00:32:37.000 Yeah.

00:32:37.000 And I think that's something that people underestimate, Chris, about you, is that like all the work that goes behind the scenes, I mean, daily there's articles criticizing you, daily there's people saying terrible things about you, daily they're trying to shut you down, daily they're trying to tarnish your character, the business's company, sorry, the business's character, etc.

00:32:53.000 Like, you know, we always say, you know, freedom of speech isn't free, like that's literally like the quintessential example, like people are constantly trying to come at you guys.

00:33:01.000 How do you deal with that, man?

00:33:04.000 You know what?

00:33:07.000 Because that's just one story.

00:33:08.000 But I wish you guys knew some of the other stuff that goes on by the scenes.

00:33:11.000 Obviously, we're not going to talk about it here.

00:33:12.000 People don't understand how much pressure Rumble gets on a daily basis.

00:33:15.000 You know what, though?

00:33:17.000 It's crazy.

00:33:18.000 I asked that question, why did Mark Zuckerberg fold on all the things that he's folded on?

00:33:25.000 I ask this question all the time.

00:33:28.000 And the answer to me is pretty simple.

00:33:31.000 It's pretty easy to be strong.

00:33:33.000 I just think there's a lot of weak people right now.

00:33:38.000 I'm defending a human right.

00:33:40.000 Period.

00:33:41.000 That should be pretty easy.

00:33:44.000 For me, it's pretty easy.

00:33:46.000 Why it's hard for everybody else, you know, that's a question we need to ask them.

00:33:50.000 I'm happy defending that human right.

00:33:52.000 It makes me proud.

00:33:55.000 But, you know, the sad part is how many weak people there are out there not doing that and folding to, like, any type of criticism that they have.

00:34:05.000 It just requires a little bit of strength, you know?

00:34:08.000 And that's what this company, Rumble, is built on.

00:34:13.000 On strength.

00:34:14.000 It's built on pushing back.

00:34:15.000 It's built on telling governments to, you know, pound sand.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.000 I mean, look at the Russell Brand situation.

00:34:22.000 They sent you that letter, right?

00:34:23.000 I remember you posted on X how when Russell Brand got canceled or demonetized, they asked you, hey, is Russell Brand monetized on Rumble?

00:34:34.000 And they were trying to get him demonetized on Rumble as well.

00:34:35.000 And you basically told them to go pound sand, which is huge because other platforms always bend the knee to governments.

00:34:41.000 What's that like taking on governments?

00:34:43.000 Because the UK isn't the only government that's come after you guys.

00:34:46.000 I mean, obviously we've talked about France, Brazil, etc.

00:34:50.000 What's that like, man?

00:34:51.000 So the UK situation was absurd.

00:34:55.000 It was like...

00:34:55.000 Sent you that letter, I remember.

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:34:59.000 An MP, I believe, I don't remember exactly, sent us a letter to say, hey, like, demonetize Russell Brand, do this, blah, blah, blah. 0.57

00:35:08.000 Crazy.

00:35:08.000 And I'm like, what law?

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 What are we talking about here?

00:35:13.000 Like, just because you say so?

00:35:16.000 Yeah.

00:35:17.000 Like, how does that work?

00:35:18.000 And you know what the scary part is, though?

00:35:20.000 All the other platforms did it.

00:35:22.000 Yep.

00:35:23.000 Yep.

00:35:24.000 And I'm like, why?

00:35:28.000 It's a good question.

00:35:30.000 Scary times.

00:35:31.000 It's like, you saw the letter.

00:35:33.000 We put it out there publicly.

00:35:35.000 TikTok got it as well.

00:35:36.000 He never even got arrested, dude.

00:35:36.000 It was merely one accusation.

00:35:38.000 Like, nothing came out.

00:35:39.000 These are accusations from people we don't even know.

00:35:42.000 They didn't even name the names.

00:35:44.000 Anonymous accusations, I think they are.

00:35:46.000 Accusations!

00:35:46.000 Like, 20 years ago.

00:35:48.000 And that's not my business.

00:35:51.000 Our business is video.

00:35:53.000 It's streaming.

00:35:54.000 It's an online video platform.

00:35:56.000 It's VOD. That's our business.

00:35:59.000 That's my focus.

00:36:00.000 If I were going to sit here and judge every single character on what they do in their personal lives, if YouTube was going to do that, well, they got to start digging a lot more because there's a lot of people on their platform they're going to have issues with if they start digging.

00:36:12.000 Because anonymous accusations...

00:36:15.000 That's a pretty broad reason to try to de-platform someone from a video platform. 0.96

00:36:23.000 It's just ridiculous.

00:36:27.000 It's upsetting to see how there's no backbone at any other platform out there when it comes to this type of stuff. 0.92

00:36:35.000 Focus on your business.

00:36:38.000 If your business is video, it's video.

00:36:40.000 If your business is to pursue crimes that other people did, then that's your business.

00:36:45.000 But don't tell me that that's what we have to do now.

00:36:49.000 We're just a video platform.

00:36:50.000 And we have our terms of service, and if you abide by them, great.

00:36:54.000 That's all we're focused on.

00:36:56.000 But if someone does something that's illegal in society and does something wrong, that's society's judicial process to take care of that.

00:37:04.000 That's not Rumble's process.

00:37:05.000 That's not Rumble's obligation.

00:37:07.000 We're just a video platform.

00:37:09.000 Leave us alone.

00:37:10.000 We just want to operate a great video platform.

00:37:13.000 Now, Chris, there are creators that do cross the line sometimes.

00:37:17.000 A little bit too far, you would say, on some platforms.

00:37:20.000 How does Rumble handle that?

00:37:21.000 For example, they cross the line where it's like maybe...

00:37:23.000 Citing violence or something.

00:37:25.000 Violence or maybe even like corn, you know?

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:28.000 How does...

00:37:29.000 So, you know, obviously we have a terms of service.

00:37:33.000 We do not allow a lot of types of... 0.90

00:37:37.000 Like, we do not allow inciting and violence.

00:37:39.000 We do not allow pornography, etc.

00:37:42.000 So, you know, that you have to abide by.

00:37:45.000 You have to abide by our terms of service.

00:37:47.000 And like I said, there is no platform that I know of that's of mass scale that sits on their own cloud that has to adhere to their cloud.

00:38:00.000 But there are the guardrails of the app stores.

00:38:03.000 And everyone needs to be conscious of that and aware of that.

00:38:07.000 And until someone comes up with another phone to compete against that market, that's the guardrail we're going to have to be a part of.

00:38:16.000 If you want to have any sort of mass market appeal, you have to be in the app stores.

00:38:22.000 Plain and simple.

00:38:24.000 When it comes to that type of stuff, there's obviously very strict policies in place.

00:38:32.000 And also, one of the things we like to do differently, and we're trying to figure this out, one of the things that happens on YouTube that gets taken advantage of are DMCAs, for example.

00:38:43.000 Copyright.

00:38:43.000 That's part of the law.

00:38:44.000 You've got to take it down.

00:38:45.000 We've got to strike accounts if they violate copyrights.

00:38:49.000 You've got to ban accounts if they do it too often.

00:38:53.000 One of the things we like to do is, like, I don't like the idea of, like, a permanent ban unless it's, like, some fraudulent type of behavior like spamming and stuff like that.

00:39:03.000 But when it comes to, like, copyrights, you want to kind of reach out to the creator, give them the option.

00:39:11.000 Rather than strike them, but give them the option, give them the window to take it down.

00:39:14.000 It might have to be fast because, you know, there's liability there.

00:39:18.000 But, like...

00:39:19.000 Kind of work with the creator in a different way than the other platforms have to kind of help them get into policy and not violate, not ruin their whole businesses and livelihoods because they made a mistake they were not aware of.

00:39:33.000 Innocent mistakes happen all the time.

00:39:35.000 And there's a lot of mobbing happening where someone will just...

00:39:40.000 Doesn't like somebody and send a whole crowd to take that out.

00:39:44.000 We see that all the time.

00:39:46.000 We're like, guys, this is Rumble. 1.00

00:39:48.000 We're not going to fall for that shit. 1.00

00:39:50.000 But it still happens. 1.00

00:39:51.000 It's unbelievable how they assemble activists to try to take people out.

00:39:57.000 That works really well on these other platforms.

00:40:00.000 It doesn't work at Rumble, though.

00:40:02.000 That's good, though.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:03.000 Because you're giving the creator a chance to say, you know what?

00:40:05.000 This is my platform, but you know what?

00:40:07.000 Regarding your actual content, fix it up real quick.

00:40:10.000 We'll make sure that you're good to go on the platform still.

00:40:12.000 Rather than saying, oh, you're out of here completely.

00:40:14.000 You're gone.

00:40:15.000 You're banned.

00:40:15.000 That's good.

00:40:17.000 Besides Russell Brand, you were also there.

00:40:20.000 Obviously, you were behind us when we got demonetized.

00:40:22.000 But when Andrew Tate got canceled everywhere, you were there as well.

00:40:26.000 Can you tell us how that came to be and how you guys built that relationship?

00:40:29.000 Because obviously, the Tate brothers are...

00:40:31.000 Huge on Rumble.

00:40:33.000 But how did that come into fruition?

00:40:35.000 Yeah, no, the Andrew Tate channel on Rumble, you know, post...

00:40:42.000 So Dan Bongino has definitely, you know, put us on the map.

00:40:46.000 He brought in, like, a massive amount of users onto the platform.

00:40:50.000 It really kind of...

00:40:52.000 That's where, you know, a lot of the magic happened.

00:40:56.000 When Andrew Tate came on, believe it or not, he was the second largest after Bongino that had influence in terms of, like, app downloads and subscribers.

00:41:08.000 I think he's almost at two million on Rumble already.

00:41:11.000 That August, the wave was enormous and, you know...

00:41:17.000 Same idea.

00:41:18.000 Like, all the platforms just turn someone off and we don't know why.

00:41:21.000 One by one.

00:41:22.000 All these accusations.

00:41:23.000 Starts by Instagram, then Facebook, then YouTube.

00:41:25.000 It's the same story with a lot of these creators.

00:41:27.000 And it's just like, you know, we're pursuing to get them onto the platform even prior to when that happened.

00:41:33.000 But, you know, it's just unbelievable how it all happened.

00:41:38.000 And, you know, the impact that he had on Rumble, I think, is enormous.

00:41:43.000 He was like, he had us, I think, number one in the App Store for quite some time at that point in time.

00:41:51.000 And that was when Rumble needed a lot of work.

00:41:54.000 I think a lot of people still remember us from that era, which is now two years ago almost.

00:42:03.000 A lot of people remember us from that era where we didn't have product teams, we were a small company, just raised money for the first time ever.

00:42:14.000 21, when Peter came in, that was the first time I raised money for this company.

00:42:20.000 In 2013, I went to everyone.

00:42:23.000 I actually went to one of Peter Thiel's venture capitalist firms and pitched them.

00:42:29.000 And everyone thought, you're crazy competing against YouTube.

00:42:33.000 What are you thinking?

00:42:35.000 And by 2021, that was our first investment from Peter, JD, Vivek, Colt, etc.

00:42:45.000 We didn't have the best UI. We didn't have the best software.

00:42:50.000 We had a lot of improvements to make.

00:42:52.000 I think we've made a ton of progress.

00:42:54.000 You guys have seen it.

00:42:55.000 You guys are going through the pains with us.

00:42:58.000 People don't understand something when it comes to Rumble.

00:43:02.000 We're not just building software on top of Amazon's technology, their cloud, or even their live streaming software.

00:43:10.000 We're actually building software that sits on top of our hardware, where we're plugging in the wires ourselves, and we've got to make all this stuff work.

00:43:21.000 There's so many things happening here, and that's why we're uncancellable, but like...

00:43:26.000 And that's the benefit of it, but we have so much more work to do because of what we stand for and what we do in this world that it's not as quick as some people like it to be.

00:43:41.000 But I think now the velocity with the teams we have in place is increased dramatically.

00:43:47.000 And I think we're at a point right now where we're ahead on features now than some other platforms.

00:43:52.000 We're ahead in certain areas.

00:43:54.000 We're behind in others, but I think we can be very ahead in a lot of different ways by the end of this year on the majority of aspects to the platform.

00:44:05.000 And people underestimate how hard it is to actually be independent.

00:44:08.000 It is not easy, guys, to stand up to these big companies that have a huge infrastructure, they have a head start, they have Google behind them, etc.

00:44:14.000 So for you guys to be able to build up your own infrastructure, you know, it's going to take some time.

00:44:20.000 And which, by the way, guys, we'll have a Q&A at the end here, so if you guys have any questions for Chris or whatever as far as Rumble goes, you know, on the future, etc.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, a Q&A. We will go ahead and answer those questions for you.

00:44:31.000 We got y'all.

00:44:31.000 But...

00:44:33.000 Sorry.

00:44:33.000 So you guys obviously are improving.

00:44:36.000 A couple of big developments recently.

00:44:38.000 I guess we could start with Barstool Sports and another thing.

00:44:41.000 So you guys recently got Barstool Sports on board.

00:44:44.000 How did that come about?

00:44:46.000 Yeah, it was a big pickup for us.

00:44:50.000 So we got the whole Barstool portfolio on Rumble.

00:44:55.000 It's a partnership that extends not just on content, but also cloud and also an advertising relationship as well.

00:45:02.000 So it was a great pickup for us.

00:45:06.000 The thing I like the most about the Barstool deal is Dave is now an equity holder of Rumble.

00:45:13.000 He didn't come for the purpose of only taking cash.

00:45:18.000 He wanted mostly equity, and he took mostly equity.

00:45:22.000 And that's exciting to me, to have a partner that really wants to get behind this business and help it a lot.

00:45:28.000 I just did a pizza review with him a couple weeks ago.

00:45:31.000 He came to the offices.

00:45:33.000 Great guy.

00:45:35.000 Excited to be working with those guys.

00:45:38.000 So it's great because that really kind of helps us build that Rumble Sports portfolio.

00:45:42.000 We have...

00:45:44.000 We have the UFC in Canada, so you can actually do pay-per-view in Canada for the UFC on Rumble.

00:45:50.000 And we have the Power Slap, which you guys have been to the event.

00:45:55.000 That's growing like crazy.

00:45:58.000 You guys...

00:45:59.000 Who came?

00:46:00.000 I know you came to the last one, right?

00:46:01.000 You didn't come, right?

00:46:03.000 Were you there?

00:46:04.000 I missed it.

00:46:05.000 I literally just missed it.

00:46:06.000 Did you see the lineup that came out there?

00:46:08.000 You guys had Travis Scott there.

00:46:10.000 That's huge.

00:46:11.000 Everyone there.

00:46:11.000 Everybody was there.

00:46:12.000 It was insane.

00:46:14.000 This sport...

00:46:16.000 The trajectory of this sport, I think someone just wrote an article about it a week ago, but the trajectory, the demand, the amount of people that want to be there, and the way we're building this sport via influencers, I think is...

00:46:30.000 That was genius.

00:46:32.000 I think it's something very special.

00:46:35.000 And Rumble's got the exclusive distribution rights to that, which is a big deal for us.

00:46:40.000 We also have Street League Skateboarding.

00:46:44.000 We have the exclusive rights to all of that.

00:46:46.000 You wouldn't picture Rumble as being the place for skateboarding, but it is.

00:46:51.000 We also have Nitro Rallycross Racing.

00:46:55.000 We got Barenichael Fighting Championships on Rumble.

00:46:58.000 We have a lot of stuff.

00:46:59.000 And then we added Barstool to, you know, we're really kind of pushing that sports category in a way that, you know, in the last year, that has become, like, the main category of investment for Rumble.

00:47:12.000 And it's helped us broaden our audience and change the perspective of the platform.

00:47:17.000 What about WWE? That's a great question.

00:47:22.000 I've had conversations about this internally and externally as well.

00:47:28.000 All that type of stuff we eventually want to make moves for.

00:47:33.000 We want everything on Rumble.

00:47:37.000 We're very agnostic, so whether it's any sport out there or any type of entertainment or in any category, we want to make a move for, and we're all for it.

00:47:50.000 The WWE, I think, would be a good match for the current audience that we have, so it's a good idea, and who knows what happens in the future, but...

00:48:05.000 You know, we're gonna pursue all different types of content all the time.

00:48:09.000 I can say this with all authority and I want to say grace.

00:48:14.000 When I was at the Power Slap event, yo, the anticipation waiting for that slap to happen to somebody is incredible.

00:48:20.000 So quiet, man.

00:48:20.000 Yeah, on your seat, like, is it gonna get knocked out?

00:48:22.000 It's so crazy, bro.

00:48:23.000 I saw the Power Slap at Dana White. 1.00

00:48:25.000 Really good.

00:48:26.000 So you guys got Barstool.

00:48:29.000 Obviously, the app is improving.

00:48:31.000 The whole experience that you guys launched, Rumble Studio as well, the cloud.

00:48:37.000 There's also some new developments recently that came out literally less than a week ago with TikTok.

00:48:41.000 Can you tell us what's going on with that?

00:48:43.000 Give the people kind of an overview of what's going on with TikTok and how Rumble is adapting to it.

00:48:50.000 Yeah, so I'll step back in terms of like...

00:48:53.000 We got the clips too if you want me to play that first.

00:48:55.000 Sure.

00:48:55.000 You want to play that first?

00:48:57.000 Bill's being passed, right?

00:48:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:58.000 We can show it real fast and then I guess you can comment on it.

00:49:03.000 Is this from Fox News if I'm not mistaken, right?

00:49:06.000 All right.

00:49:07.000 We're going to share a screen with y'all real fast because this is some big stuff right here.

00:49:11.000 There are many U.S. platforms to tap, and believe me, the conversation's going on every morning since this bill got momentum in the House.

00:49:19.000 From 7 a.m.

00:49:21.000 to 10 o'clock, I'm on the phone.

00:49:22.000 Think about this.

00:49:23.000 Where do you serve it from?

00:49:25.000 Well, we've got something like a rumble here domestically that serves up podcast videos in a higher definition in longer form.

00:49:32.000 They could serve up TikTok.

00:49:34.000 We could move a lot of it onto there.

00:49:35.000 There's all kinds of players you've got to put together.

00:49:38.000 I'm going to be in that mix, Stuart.

00:49:39.000 I love this deal.

00:49:40.000 It's hairy, it's scary, but it's got huge value.

00:49:47.000 And then there's another one, right?

00:49:48.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:49:49.000 Last week we were filled with a conversation about TikTok and what should happen.

00:49:53.000 The House passed it in quite a bipartisan fashion.

00:49:56.000 This now goes over to the Senate.

00:49:58.000 And then over the weekend we hear this, that there are rumored bite dance buyers that are putting themselves together.

00:50:03.000 We have Steve Mnuchin, might be familiar to everyone, former Treasury Secretary under President Trump.

00:50:07.000 We have Kevin O'Leary, of course you know him.

00:50:09.000 Bobby Kotick, he's a former Activision CEO. And then someone I don't know, Chris Pavlovsky of Rumble.

00:50:15.000 So, There is a potential buyer.

00:50:17.000 Would that be a good solution for everybody so that it's sold off and everybody gets to keep using the app?

00:50:23.000 I think it would be a good solution.

00:50:24.000 Right now TikTok to me is a national security threat.

00:50:27.000 Why?

00:50:27.000 Because it's under the control of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:50:31.000 That's the threat component of it when we have 170 million Americans whose information is that under that same control.

00:50:38.000 So they can use it to spy on us.

00:50:40.000 You know how people get I'm very mad when we hear of a spy balloon going overhead.

00:50:44.000 Or, you know, from us in the West where you see that China is buying farmland, ranchland near military installations.

00:50:50.000 This is much, much worse in terms of what they're trying to do.

00:50:53.000 I met with the CEO of TikTok last week.

00:50:55.000 He was in Washington.

00:50:56.000 And I said, look, the problem is not TikTok itself.

00:51:00.000 It's the problem of the ownership.

00:51:01.000 And if we can find a group like we have here, I think it would make the solution better.

00:51:05.000 Continue with TikTok, but not controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:51:09.000 We'll see how that goes.

00:51:10.000 Boom.

00:51:11.000 Wow.

00:51:12.000 Alright.

00:51:13.000 Yeah, man, if you could comment on that a little bit.

00:51:16.000 That's big news.

00:51:17.000 W Rumble.

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 Yeah, so we put a letter out there that we expressed interest in TikTok.

00:51:26.000 The way I see it right now, you know, this has to go through multiple iterations.

00:51:32.000 The House just passed the bill and then the Senate has to pass it.

00:51:36.000 And then we're, you know, I think Biden said that he would sign it if the Senate passes it.

00:51:40.000 Yeah.

00:51:41.000 And then that would obligate them to divest.

00:51:44.000 You think this is something we could see in 2024?

00:51:46.000 Like, would this have to come into play with whoever the president is at the end?

00:51:50.000 I think we're going to know more in the next 30 to 60 days.

00:51:55.000 I think this is going to be very fast, and we're going to know a lot in the next couple months here.

00:52:03.000 It really just depends on the Senate, I think, and what happens in the Senate.

00:52:08.000 But, like, when you take a look at it, and the letter really kind of talks about us being the technology partner, but when you look at this potential acquisition of TikTok and how this has to happen, we expressed interest of wanting to be part of a consortium and being the tech partner on it on the cloud side.

00:52:28.000 And Kevin is right on in one aspect, Kevin O'Leary, that you saw in the clip there, but...

00:52:38.000 Meta is not going to be able to do anything here because of antitrust concerns.

00:52:43.000 Google, same reason.

00:52:45.000 They're not going to be able to step in either because of antitrust concerns.

00:52:48.000 So when you're looking out there, who is a video company that, one, Could help in some capacity.

00:52:56.000 Rumble is long form.

00:52:58.000 TikTok's short form.

00:52:59.000 So that's like high res down to low res.

00:53:02.000 And it's only the United States.

00:53:04.000 It's not global.

00:53:05.000 So how many other video companies out there that have that capability to understand how to run video both on video at all?

00:53:16.000 There really isn't any that I can think of off the top of my head.

00:53:19.000 And how many people, the big other problem that Any consortium is going to have or any buyer is going to have is the algorithm.

00:53:27.000 Because I don't believe the way the law is set up in China that ByteDance will be able to sell the algorithm due to their IP restrictions in China.

00:53:37.000 So someone has to build the algorithm for video and understand video in order to step in with TikTok.

00:53:47.000 And that's what a company...

00:54:08.000 We're good to go.

00:54:16.000 One of the things we're working on in Rumble behind the scenes, because it's been a big problem, is our search and our recommendation algorithm.

00:54:24.000 And we've hired data scientists to be working on this for quite some time now.

00:54:29.000 So our recommendation algorithms and our data scientists are obviously working on this.

00:54:34.000 So what other company out there is actually working on algorithms for video?

00:54:37.000 Question for you.

00:54:38.000 I think it's like, when you look at it, it's just...

00:54:40.000 It rumbles, obviously, they got the cloud.

00:54:42.000 We are obviously working on algorithms.

00:54:46.000 I think Kevin said it best.

00:54:50.000 I got a question.

00:54:52.000 If you guys were to acquire TikTok, would you guys acquire it intact the way it is?

00:54:58.000 Or would you guys have to change the name?

00:54:59.000 Would you guys have to change a substantial amount of data behind it?

00:55:03.000 How much would you guys have to change when you acquire it?

00:55:06.000 Or could you guys keep it fairly similar to what it is now?

00:55:09.000 First, we don't know what that would look like and how the divestment from ByteDance would look like and what that would entail and all the details of it.

00:55:20.000 Second, we want to be part of a consortium, so not just us, obviously, but This is a very expensive transaction.

00:55:29.000 And we want to be the tech partner in that.

00:55:32.000 So those are a lot of questions that would be better answered at a later date, depending on how everything flows.

00:55:40.000 It really depends what the bills look like, what actually ends up happening.

00:55:45.000 Right now, it's a little bit of a jump ball in the sense that we don't know what the Senate's going to do yet.

00:55:53.000 Speculation.

00:55:53.000 We have to wait and see what the Senate does.

00:55:55.000 And, you know, my opinion on that is that it's changed.

00:56:01.000 I would say like I was maybe like a month ago thinking no way it could ever pass.

00:56:07.000 But, you know, I think like things are changing a little bit.

00:56:10.000 It could pass.

00:56:12.000 It's definitely changing after the how how the House passed it.

00:56:17.000 It's definitely changing.

00:56:18.000 I don't know what will happen.

00:56:19.000 I got one more.

00:56:20.000 If you guys acquired it, would you guys be able to implement a similar free speech slash free expression model to that TikTok?

00:56:29.000 At this point, we don't know.

00:56:31.000 We don't know what anything will look like.

00:56:33.000 We don't know what the consortium would look like.

00:56:35.000 There's a lot of unknowns at this point in time.

00:56:39.000 Almost like when Elon got Twitter, he unbanned a bunch of people.

00:56:43.000 So I guess for us, we'd be grateful to get unbanned on TikTok as well.

00:56:47.000 They'll be like, hey, Chris!

00:56:48.000 You guys are banned on TikTok?

00:56:49.000 Yeah, dude.

00:56:50.000 We got banned on TikTok back before TikTok was cool like that.

00:56:56.000 We got banned in 2020 when it was just starting to take off in the beginning of the pandemic.

00:57:00.000 So it's like, now we blow up on TikTok because people repost our stuff.

00:57:05.000 But as far as us having official accounts on TikTok, We haven't had official accounts since December 2020.

00:57:10.000 Clear as day.

00:57:10.000 We were just getting into the content game, trying to push ourselves to be marketed on different platforms.

00:57:15.000 I remember the day we got canceled.

00:57:16.000 We and you were at the barbershop.

00:57:17.000 Remember that?

00:57:18.000 We're walking by Blackbird recording TikTok videos.

00:57:21.000 The title was, I remember it clear as day.

00:57:24.000 Punishing women for bad behavior.

00:57:25.000 Walking by where?

00:57:26.000 Blackbird.

00:57:27.000 It's like a local lounge down the street.

00:57:29.000 Yeah, I was filming TikToks, and one of my videos went viral, like, you gotta punish bad behavior from women when they flake on dates. 1.00

00:57:33.000 That went viral, and that video led to us blown up, but it also led to us, like, getting banned off TikTok.

00:57:38.000 We had, like, three million views on the first day, and we got banned for it.

00:57:41.000 Yeah, like a week later, the accounts were all gone.

00:57:43.000 And they broadcast it on The Real.

00:57:45.000 But now, we still, because now when people meet me or whatever, they'll say, yo, I love your content, whatever.

00:57:49.000 They always say, oh, I found you on TikTok.

00:57:51.000 So people are still reposting our stuff.

00:57:53.000 We don't have an official account on there.

00:57:55.000 So, bro, I hope y'all acquire it, man.

00:57:57.000 I think it'd be better for the creators anyway.

00:57:59.000 Like, I know a lot of people are scared, like, no, no, no, don't get rid of TikTok.

00:58:01.000 But I think you guys having it would be a lot better than whoever controls it now.

00:58:06.000 Who would be, like, who is more qualified on the operator and the tech side?

00:58:10.000 I really want to ask that question because, like, I sincerely believe that Rumble, like, I can't think of anybody outside of Rumble.

00:58:18.000 It'll be easy work for you guys.

00:58:19.000 You guys are able to host hours of video.

00:58:21.000 You can't have Google step in.

00:58:22.000 You can't have Meta step in.

00:58:24.000 Like, they all have antitrust concerns.

00:58:26.000 What about Kick?

00:58:32.000 Chris, what's your thoughts on alternative platforms besides Rumble that, you know, are, you know, kind of fighting the fight against YouTube and Twitch, etc.

00:58:43.000 You know, Kick, Bitch Shoot. 1.00

00:58:46.000 I'm trying to think of the other. 0.98

00:58:47.000 There's a few others I can't think of right now.

00:58:50.000 Odyssey, etc.

00:58:51.000 What's your thoughts on all these other alternative platforms?

00:58:54.000 It's a great thing.

00:58:56.000 And as a creator, it's the best thing.

00:59:00.000 It creates...

00:59:01.000 Competition is so good for creators.

00:59:05.000 And in the live streaming space, Kik is doing a great job acquiring talent, creating a market for talent, and that helps creators.

00:59:18.000 Like...

00:59:18.000 One of the things I don't get is you see YouTubers and they'll knock platforms and they'll trash platforms that aren't YouTube or Twitch.

00:59:30.000 And you're like, I'm sitting there and I'm like, that's gotta be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 0.97

00:59:35.000 Because like... 0.99

00:59:36.000 Their economy gets better if we succeed.

00:59:39.000 Their economics get better if we succeed.

00:59:42.000 Having Kik and Rumble and Bitchute and Odyssey is an amazing thing for the economics of creators.

00:59:50.000 Overall.

00:59:51.000 You want that to happen as a creator.

00:59:56.000 So from a creator perspective...

00:59:57.000 It's a great thing.

01:00:16.000 One is BitChute. 1.00

01:00:19.000 They started using the Rumble Advertising Center.

01:00:21.000 So now they're starting to monetize.

01:00:23.000 So we're helping them monetize.

01:00:25.000 Rumble has four amazing assets.

01:00:28.000 And this is the way I look at the business.

01:00:30.000 The prime asset, the one that we're all familiar with, is the video platform that competes against YouTube.

01:00:38.000 We're good to go.

01:00:54.000 Against Google Adsense and Google Ad Exchange and Google Ads.

01:00:58.000 And that's Rack, another amazing asset.

01:01:01.000 In perspective, Google bought DoubleClick, their ad server, for billions of dollars.

01:01:07.000 We built this in the last year and a half.

01:01:10.000 We didn't spend billions of dollars doing that.

01:01:13.000 So I see that as an incredible asset that this business has.

01:01:16.000 The third one is we got cloud.

01:01:20.000 Cloud.

01:01:21.000 Rumble has a cloud.

01:01:22.000 That's huge.

01:01:23.000 That's incredible.

01:01:24.000 We can now compete directly with Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure.

01:01:31.000 I see that as an opportunity.

01:01:33.000 All these companies that want to be closer to free speech and want to move into that direction, why aren't they using our cloud?

01:01:39.000 That's a...

01:01:40.000 Great place to be.

01:01:41.000 So I see them all as potential customers hopefully one day.

01:01:45.000 I see our assets kind of like a lot of our assets can work for them.

01:01:50.000 And then the fourth asset that we have is a studio, which is completely different and completely new.

01:01:57.000 It's not something that Google has.

01:01:59.000 I think this is kind of going to be one of our weapons in really competing in this whole ecosystem.

01:02:04.000 It's giving the ability for all creators, big or small, to run ads, you know, write directly in their live streams through using Rumble Studio and multi-streaming to all platforms.

01:02:16.000 And that is also a great tool for every single one of the platforms.

01:02:20.000 So for us, I see the whole market as an opportunity, and I don't see any single one as a negative.

01:02:27.000 I see it as a positive, especially a positive for the creator community.

01:02:31.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 And that's great.

01:02:34.000 We have lots of opportunity with all these companies, and I want to tap into that.

01:02:40.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 That's dope.

01:02:41.000 No, it's good.

01:02:42.000 So, yeah, I could read some of these chats, because I know you guys probably have some questions and stuff like that.

01:02:47.000 So, yeah, man, get your questions in now, guys, with Rumble.

01:02:50.000 Rumble ran it in.

01:02:51.000 What do we got here?

01:02:52.000 Oh, Laura Loomer.

01:02:53.000 Shout out to her.

01:02:54.000 She goes, Chris, thank you for all you do for free speech.

01:02:57.000 Why do you think the media always simps for Elon Musk instead of giving you more credit? 0.78

01:03:00.000 That's a damn good question.

01:03:02.000 And who is behind the Media Matters hit pieces against you? 0.96

01:03:07.000 Yeah, well, Elon Musk is Elon Musk.

01:03:10.000 He's one of the richest men in the world, so obviously...

01:03:13.000 I mean, we could pull up that article real quick, real fast.

01:03:18.000 I mean...

01:03:20.000 People don't know, but, you know, you do it pretty well yourself.

01:03:23.000 It says here, you know, 1.8 BIM, Bill...

01:03:28.000 We're good, man.

01:03:29.000 Hey, Chris, we're friends, right?

01:03:30.000 We're friends, right, bro?

01:03:33.000 Okay.

01:03:34.000 That's from Bloomberg, so...

01:03:36.000 Yeah, no, Elon's Elon.

01:03:37.000 He's, you know, he acquired Twitter, and he's made Twitter far better than what it was.

01:03:49.000 Nothing but praise for that.

01:03:51.000 I'd argue there's less censorship on Rumble than on X, though.

01:03:54.000 X is good, but I think you guys are more free speech.

01:03:56.000 X is not the tip of the spear when it comes to freedom of expression.

01:03:59.000 Rumble is the tip of the spear for freedom of expression.

01:04:01.000 We shut down countries when they tell us to turn off creators.

01:04:05.000 Every other platform, including X, shuts off the creator when countries ask them to turn off certain creators.

01:04:14.000 In terms of freedom of expression, we are the tip of the spear.

01:04:18.000 I firmly believe that.

01:04:19.000 Not even close.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, it's not very comparable in my mind.

01:04:23.000 But anybody that's pushing and tilting the system in our direction is a positive.

01:04:27.000 It's helpful to rumble.

01:04:28.000 And you and Elon know each other, right?

01:04:29.000 You guys are amicable.

01:04:30.000 Yeah, we talk.

01:04:31.000 We talk.

01:04:32.000 So it's a positive.

01:04:35.000 It's a net positive for the community.

01:04:36.000 It's a net positive for freedom of expression.

01:04:39.000 And that's a great thing.

01:04:41.000 I'm all for that.

01:04:43.000 And the second part of the question...

01:04:44.000 Yeah, let's pull that back up.

01:04:46.000 Regarding Media Matters.

01:04:47.000 Yeah.

01:04:48.000 And who is behind the Media Matters hit pieces against you?

01:04:51.000 Bro, yeah. 1.00

01:04:52.000 Media Matters always writes bullshit. 0.99

01:04:54.000 Yeah, I have some theories about this. 0.99

01:05:00.000 I think it's like a web of organizations that a lot of dark money...

01:05:08.000 I don't quite know that well.

01:05:12.000 I think Laura probably knows better than I do when it comes to that.

01:05:16.000 She's really tapped in on understanding that web.

01:05:21.000 For me, it's like unraveling that has been something we've been trying to do and trying to figure out because it's so ridiculous what they do.

01:05:33.000 They will sit on our pages and refresh a page on a video that they deem inappropriate and And try to find an ad and try to destroy the reputation when doing that.

01:05:48.000 Elon's suing them, isn't he?

01:05:49.000 Yeah, he's suing them for that exact reason.

01:05:51.000 And we have the same evidence with Media Matters when it comes to that, of them doing that.

01:05:58.000 They literally had an account on Rumble.

01:06:00.000 We know which one is theirs.

01:06:01.000 We saw how many times they refreshed the page.

01:06:04.000 Caught a red-handed.

01:06:06.000 Caught in 4K. It's so absurd.

01:06:11.000 The agenda is obviously to distort and hurt us.

01:06:17.000 It's upsetting to see that because I never thought...

01:06:22.000 Ten years ago, I was always suspicious of a lot of stuff, but I never thought it was this corrupt.

01:06:28.000 You can see it now. 0.98

01:06:30.000 My fear is that corruption is going to get a lot smarter, and a lot of people aren't seeing shit anymore. 0.97

01:06:37.000 I feel like in the last year, people think it's getting better, but really, I think people are getting tricked in a lot of ways. 0.98

01:06:47.000 This is election year, right?

01:06:50.000 What do you predict is going to happen with creators that are pushing certain ideas and ideologies?

01:06:57.000 Like I said, I think the censorship is going to get extremely intelligent.

01:07:02.000 More subtle than before.

01:07:03.000 You're not going to know what's happening.

01:07:05.000 I think this is going to be a whole different animal this year in terms of censorship.

01:07:11.000 And many people, unless you're really tapped in and really understand, you're not going to see it.

01:07:15.000 And you're not going to understand it.

01:07:17.000 And you're not going to know who the authentic person is and who's not.

01:07:20.000 I think there's going to be a lot of tricks.

01:07:23.000 I think there already are.

01:07:26.000 And, you know, unless you're really tapped in and you know, it's going to be very difficult to...

01:07:33.000 It's so difficult, I think the people that do know don't even know.

01:07:37.000 I think it's going to be that difficult.

01:07:41.000 But AI is like...

01:07:42.000 The interests.

01:07:44.000 AI is so interesting.

01:07:47.000 I've been really, really exploring and trying to understand it.

01:07:53.000 In so many ways, it's so scary.

01:07:57.000 What the capabilities are here and how fast it's moving.

01:08:05.000 That's a rabbit hole that can get pretty scary once you go down it.

01:08:11.000 We got here, who's up next?

01:08:14.000 Yo, big shout out to Chris, bro.

01:08:15.000 No other CEO of a platform is doing this with its creators other than Elon, but Rumble is on its way to be a massive 100.

01:08:22.000 Thanks for this platform.

01:08:23.000 Finally, a sane human being running a site.

01:08:25.000 Absolutely, man.

01:08:27.000 Wait a minute, Chris, are you the first billionaire on the show?

01:08:30.000 I just thought about it.

01:08:31.000 Are you the first billionaire on the show?

01:08:32.000 Right?

01:08:33.000 Yeah.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, because I don't know if Grant Cardone and them count because they control real estate that they allegedly is worth that much, but as far as being liquided, yeah?

01:08:42.000 I think you're the first one, bro.

01:08:42.000 I don't even know if these articles are real.

01:08:44.000 Yeah.

01:08:47.000 Smart man.

01:08:48.000 Free speech, man.

01:08:49.000 He's humble.

01:08:50.000 You gotta be careful when you're reading mainstream media.

01:08:53.000 He's humble.

01:08:53.000 I like it.

01:08:54.000 Corporate media is not the place I get my information from.

01:08:58.000 Kimpop says, Chris is the new David and Big Tech is the new Goliath.

01:09:01.000 We'll be praying for you.

01:09:02.000 Wumble.

01:09:02.000 Yeah, shout out to you, bro.

01:09:03.000 All right.

01:09:04.000 What else do we got here?

01:09:04.000 Nolan Billy.

01:09:05.000 Chris, I love what you're doing with Rumble.

01:09:06.000 I love for what it stands for.

01:09:07.000 But when are you going to fix?

01:09:08.000 Locals Chat, WFNF, WB Balls, Chris Pavlosky.

01:09:11.000 And yeah, shout out to Dave Rubin, actually, by the way, when we talk about Locals.

01:09:14.000 I'll learn to find it later.

01:09:16.000 So they're asking about that.

01:09:17.000 What's the issue with Locals Chat?

01:09:20.000 He's going to clarify it in another chat.

01:09:21.000 Oh, he's going to clarify in another chat.

01:09:22.000 Okay, great, great.

01:09:23.000 I would love to know.

01:09:23.000 To clarify Locals, Live Chat doesn't refresh on Android app and on PC. I have to close the entire app on phone and back out on PC. I order to get the newest comments on Live Chat and the constant buffering that happens during a live.

01:09:34.000 I will escalate that immediately.

01:09:37.000 Bam.

01:09:37.000 There you go, my friend.

01:09:39.000 Just like that.

01:09:40.000 So shout out to you, Noam.

01:09:40.000 Guys, get your questions in now because you've got the man in the house.

01:09:43.000 So anything that you guys think would improve the user experience or whatever, Chris is really open to constructive criticism.

01:09:51.000 I mean, at the end of the day, man, we're here to take over.

01:09:53.000 So I told you guys before, Rumble is here to stay.

01:09:55.000 And to be frank, I don't know any other CEO that's going to sit here taking comments to improve his platform.

01:10:01.000 So this is a big W for you guys as well and Chris.

01:10:04.000 Seriously.

01:10:05.000 It shows the commitment to improve and really create the best alternative platform.

01:10:12.000 And you guys have given us, you know, previous critiques as well, and Chris fixed them right away.

01:10:17.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 I remember.

01:10:18.000 True.

01:10:18.000 Yeah.

01:10:19.000 He goes, also, I want to know why after a live ends on Locals, we're unable to view it.

01:10:23.000 So, for instance, on Crowder Live, shortly after it ends, we're unable to view it for a few hours afterwards.

01:10:27.000 WFNFW Big Balls, Chris Pavlosky.

01:10:30.000 Okay, so that is a processing limitation.

01:10:36.000 So, you know, we're not using the...

01:10:39.000 It would be the easiest to go out there and just use Amazon's Twitch live streaming product or live streaming products out there or use Agora's live streaming product that does all this for them.

01:10:48.000 You know, Agora was worth billions of dollars.

01:10:51.000 Actually, this is actually funny.

01:10:53.000 When we used Agora once, and we put it on, because Locals was using Agora, not Rumble, but Locals was using Agora, and we brought Crowder onto Rumble, and then Crowder did Locals, he crashed Agora.

01:11:05.000 A multi-billion dollar company that's focused on live streaming product crashed Agora.

01:11:11.000 Meanwhile, it's running on Rumble.

01:11:13.000 No, these are just simply limitations that we have because we're building this stuff from scratch and doing all the transcoding and encoding and there's just a delay from the end of the stream to the processing of that VOD. I think Rumble's getting better at that,

01:11:32.000 and I wouldn't be surprised to see all this kind of humming in a really comparative way to the Amazon live streaming products within the next couple of months.

01:11:47.000 We're actually aiming to have better, right now, our latency with YouTube is pretty even if the stream setups are done properly.

01:11:57.000 The quality is actually better on Rumble.

01:11:59.000 If you put it to the max quality on Rumble, guys, and put it side by side with YouTube, the quality on Rumble is actually better.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, I definitely hear that a lot.

01:12:07.000 But the latency for Twitch is far better right now.

01:12:11.000 They're the best at latency.

01:12:13.000 The Amazon live streaming product, which is Twitch.

01:12:17.000 Because it's designed for it, I guess.

01:12:20.000 But we're aiming to be better than them in the next few months.

01:12:22.000 The beauty about Rumble is that we're building it all.

01:12:28.000 Ourselves, so we can actually be better than them and try to achieve to be better than them.

01:12:34.000 It might take longer, but it's yours.

01:12:36.000 It takes longer, but it's ours, and it will be a competitive advantage when we get there.

01:12:40.000 We will get there.

01:12:41.000 We are going to get there because I care.

01:12:44.000 I want to win, and I want to be better.

01:12:46.000 Kick runs on those servers, but Rumble doesn't.

01:12:49.000 That's big.

01:12:50.000 Kick runs on those Amazon servers, don't they?

01:12:53.000 I have not.

01:12:54.000 That's what I've heard.

01:12:55.000 I've never looked myself, but I hear that they're on.

01:12:59.000 Everyone's on.

01:13:00.000 Most people are on Amazon.

01:13:01.000 Parler was on Amazon.

01:13:03.000 It's where everyone goes.

01:13:07.000 That's the easiest solution for people, and hopefully we can change that by getting everybody onto RumbleCloud.

01:13:13.000 I'll tell you this, man.

01:13:14.000 I'm buying Rumble stock.

01:13:15.000 Yeah, I already have.

01:13:16.000 I'm not even...

01:13:17.000 Bro, you guys...

01:13:18.000 I already have RUM, guys.

01:13:21.000 Invest now, because I'm telling you, this is going to be the future, man.

01:13:23.000 As they continue to restrict speech, especially with an election year, and it's been going up, too.

01:13:27.000 It's been going up.

01:13:28.000 It's been surging the past few months.

01:13:31.000 So, hey, RUM, if you guys want to know it.

01:13:34.000 WRumbleWChris, I love Rumble, but could you guys please stop autoplay on embedded videos or at least give us the option to turn it off?

01:13:39.000 You have that option on desktop now.

01:13:41.000 That was just released recently.

01:13:43.000 So on desktop, you can turn that off.

01:13:44.000 I'll have to check if that option is in the app.

01:13:47.000 The apps are a little further behind than the mobile web or desktop version, but it is now there on web for sure.

01:13:58.000 So it's in the video player, inside the video player on the bottom part.

01:14:03.000 Yeah, 1920 by 1080.

01:14:05.000 Yeah, guys, you can watch it.

01:14:06.000 Like, open up two tabs and watch this on Rumble and on YouTube and go 1920 on the Rumble side and see how much clearer it is than the YouTube.

01:14:15.000 Because he goes, see, not all Canadians live in igloos and repeatedly say A. Some of them can become tech CEOs.

01:14:21.000 He does say A. Yeah, I say A. Sometimes.

01:14:24.000 That's part of my vocabulary, for sure.

01:14:26.000 Chris, when are you gonna allow us to gift channel subscriptions and rumble live chat?

01:14:30.000 That's coming.

01:14:31.000 I would say in the next like 90 days we hopefully will have gifting of subs.

01:14:37.000 Nice.

01:14:39.000 So like similar to what Twitch has.

01:14:41.000 Keem Chillin, buy Rumble stock.

01:14:43.000 Hey, man.

01:14:43.000 I'm not telling you what to do, but that's what I'm doing.

01:14:46.000 This is not financial advice.

01:14:47.000 Yeah, it's not financial advice, but I definitely bought a good amount.

01:14:50.000 Mario PL. And it shot up like crazy after you guys acquired Barstool Sports.

01:14:54.000 Yeah.

01:14:54.000 And it's just going to continue.

01:14:55.000 Like, you guys have so many big creators over there.

01:14:57.000 You guys got us.

01:14:58.000 You got the Tates.

01:14:59.000 You guys got Steven Crowder.

01:15:00.000 You guys got Don Bongino.

01:15:02.000 You guys got Sneeko.

01:15:03.000 You guys got Kai Sinat and Speed.

01:15:06.000 Academics.

01:15:07.000 Do you have any other creators that we don't know about?

01:15:09.000 Do you guys miss Donald Trump?

01:15:11.000 Donald Trump, of course.

01:15:12.000 There you go.

01:15:13.000 There you go.

01:15:13.000 Donald Trump's over there.

01:15:14.000 Everyone forgets that he's on Rumble.

01:15:15.000 Yeah, because you mentioned it earlier.

01:15:17.000 But yeah, Donald Trump's on Rumble.

01:15:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:19.000 So it's like...

01:15:19.000 Anybody else?

01:15:20.000 Dan Bongino?

01:15:21.000 Dan Bongino is doing...

01:15:23.000 He did it this morning.

01:15:24.000 Like 120,000 live viewers every weekday morning.

01:15:27.000 Yeah.

01:15:28.000 Between 11 and 12.

01:15:29.000 Crowder's close to 100,000.

01:15:32.000 You know, there's so many creators on Rumble.

01:15:35.000 I guess, like, they all are in different areas and different topics, but...

01:15:40.000 Yeah.

01:15:41.000 Nelk recently came over.

01:15:42.000 Yeah, they're uploading their podcasts on Rumble as well.

01:15:45.000 They recently came over.

01:15:45.000 I saw a rant about BlackRock and Vanguard.

01:15:50.000 Oh yeah, it's right here.

01:15:51.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:52.000 With investors like Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street, will there be a censorship like on other platforms?

01:15:57.000 So search Steven Crowder in BlackRock and you can see the letter that they sent Rumble and you can see what Rumble did.

01:16:08.000 And I think that will answer your question.

01:16:11.000 Once again, man.

01:16:13.000 Jocasta goes, Hey Chris, thank you for fighting for free speech.

01:16:16.000 With all the streamers in the game right now, who would you say is your top three streamers under the age of 30 right now and why?

01:16:21.000 Interesting question.

01:16:23.000 Well, that's tough because I don't know who's under 30 or not.

01:16:28.000 How old are you guys?

01:16:29.000 Am I allowed to ask?

01:16:30.000 34.

01:16:31.000 I'm 31.

01:16:33.000 Alright, so you're under 30.

01:16:35.000 Not in the under 30 category.

01:16:37.000 So under 30, the top streamers?

01:16:40.000 Ryska maybe?

01:16:41.000 Sneeko?

01:16:42.000 Sneeko?

01:16:43.000 Yep.

01:16:44.000 Top three.

01:16:46.000 When they stream?

01:16:47.000 Yeah.

01:16:49.000 Kai and Speed?

01:16:49.000 Kai and Speed definitely do 50,000 plus live when they go live.

01:16:55.000 Kai and Speed.

01:16:56.000 And then I would say Sneeko is one of the big ones.

01:17:01.000 That's three.

01:17:01.000 How old is he?

01:17:03.000 Like 25?

01:17:05.000 So then Sneeko.

01:17:06.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:17:07.000 That's three.

01:17:08.000 Kai, Speed, and Sneeko.

01:17:10.000 Na'ili, can you make Rumble downloadable from TVs?

01:17:17.000 Downloadable from TVs?

01:17:19.000 Can you watch it on TVs?

01:17:21.000 Absolutely.

01:17:21.000 We have apps on Roku.

01:17:23.000 We have apps on Samsung, Apple TV. What am I forgetting?

01:17:32.000 Fire TV, Android TV, LG TV. So you can watch these shows on your big screens.

01:17:38.000 You can set up your accounts and have all your channels show there.

01:17:41.000 You can replace your basic cable subscriptions with Rumble.

01:17:47.000 We'd love that, obviously.

01:17:49.000 Watch the Fresh and Fit pod, right?

01:17:50.000 It's coming soon, guys.

01:17:52.000 It's really important, though, that you guys all download the app and sub to the Fresh and Fit pod because that's the way that you as creators grow.

01:18:01.000 We're actually finding that when you sub only on web, they don't get hit with notifications when you go live.

01:18:07.000 So when you sub on app and you download the app and you sub to your channel, that's how you get the notifications.

01:18:11.000 So just make sure that's set.

01:18:13.000 But yeah, we're on all the TVs, most of them anyways.

01:18:17.000 You can download the Rumble app there and watch us up there.

01:18:20.000 But in order to know when your favorite streamers or your favorite content is going live, you need to sub to them on your mobile app.

01:18:32.000 What else do we got here?

01:18:33.000 Question for Chris.

01:18:34.000 What type of cyber attack is Rumble experiencing?

01:18:36.000 A lot of people are complaining.

01:18:37.000 Maybe you can clear some of it up so people can understand what's going on.

01:18:41.000 Thanks, Rick.

01:18:42.000 Okay, this is a great question because we are...

01:18:47.000 Sometime in December, we have had incredibly large attacks happening on Rumble, ones we have never seen before.

01:19:00.000 I think they refer to them as HTTP Layer 7 attacks.

01:19:05.000 Very complicated to stop.

01:19:08.000 We have, you know...

01:19:11.000 We have DOS providers helping.

01:19:12.000 We have our own stuff helping.

01:19:14.000 But these attacks have been absolutely enormous and been very, very difficult for us to stem.

01:19:22.000 It created a lot of downtime for us and a lot of negativity around the platform just being down because of these attacks.

01:19:32.000 I think now we're in a really solid state.

01:19:35.000 We've really learned to defend against these attacks.

01:19:39.000 We got some great partners that are helping us with that now.

01:19:45.000 This has been something that's been really annoying to deal with behind the scenes.

01:19:51.000 Hence why you guys are working to get your own infrastructure.

01:19:54.000 Yeah, and like, you know, we've made some massive progress on this in the last three, four months, and now I think we're on a very solid basis right now.

01:20:07.000 Like, you probably saw everyone went down like a week ago, two weeks ago.

01:20:10.000 Yeah, a little bit of lag, yeah.

01:20:11.000 Rubble was up, Meta went down, YouTube went down, X went down, everyone went down with that major situation that happened.

01:20:20.000 Instagram went down for like a day or two.

01:20:21.000 Yeah.

01:20:22.000 Yeah.

01:20:22.000 And Rumble was up the whole time.

01:20:24.000 So was Truth Social, who's also being hosted on Rumble's Cloud as well.

01:20:29.000 Bam.

01:20:30.000 What else?

01:20:32.000 What else do we got here?

01:20:34.000 Okay, Stay Dangerous, Chris, Big Tech, Rumble for Life.

01:20:37.000 Alright, shout out to you, Woozie Badass. 0.78

01:20:39.000 Good evening, FNF and Chris.

01:20:40.000 Shout out to Free Speech and shout out to Tate Sneak on FNF. They are the reason I'm using this app.

01:20:44.000 Shout out to you, bro.

01:20:45.000 Shout out to you, bro.

01:20:46.000 What else?

01:20:48.000 Emmanuel Angel.

01:20:49.000 Oh, hello, Chris.

01:20:49.000 Can you add a feature like YouTube where you can have premium and pay monthly to have no ads on all videos and replace?

01:20:54.000 Thank you for standing up for freedom of speech and expression.

01:20:57.000 Good question.

01:20:58.000 We have that already, so you can go into your dashboard on desktop and purchase a pro package to do that.

01:21:04.000 We're going to make this way easier, and you're going to be able to do it within app, and this is going to happen in the next 30 to 60 days.

01:21:11.000 But that feature is already there.

01:21:13.000 It's just that it's very hidden.

01:21:15.000 But you just got to go on your desktop computer, purchase the package, and it's $10 a month, I think.

01:21:21.000 If you watch it on your mobile app, will that translate over where they won't see ads on their mobile app, on their account?

01:21:24.000 It should.

01:21:25.000 And we're actually building this all into the mobile apps, and we're going to make this a big deal.

01:21:30.000 It's called Rumble Pro Pack.

01:21:32.000 It's, I think, starter package it's called, but it's under pro packages.

01:21:35.000 I believe that's what it's called in the dashboard when you go to my account.

01:21:39.000 I've seen it when I log in.

01:21:41.000 Yeah.

01:21:42.000 It's down to your account on desktop, guys.

01:21:44.000 It's definitely there.

01:21:46.000 Al Voice goes, we want live chat replay.

01:21:48.000 Okay, this is actually, okay.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, coming.

01:21:51.000 Yeah, I know you guys ask about that a lot.

01:21:53.000 We'll do that.

01:21:53.000 And the app crashes often when I have the screen minimized, and I always have to restart it.

01:21:57.000 Also, paying a few bucks to be able to skip ads would be nice, which we just answered that for you.

01:22:02.000 And then, Lunasa's Ra, when do you think live chat replay will be implemented?

01:22:07.000 Probably in the next 90 days or so?

01:22:08.000 Yeah, I'd give it a quarter.

01:22:10.000 All these things are all in the pipeline right now, so we're really working on it.

01:22:14.000 Awesome.

01:22:15.000 Yo, I just think you guys don't understand.

01:22:18.000 You're here talking to Chris.

01:22:20.000 In person.

01:22:21.000 Yeah.

01:22:22.000 About the app itself.

01:22:22.000 That's wild.

01:22:23.000 That's huge, bro.

01:22:23.000 That's wild.

01:22:24.000 Imagine the YouTube CEO doing this.

01:22:25.000 Never.

01:22:26.000 Never. 1.00

01:22:26.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:22:27.000 They don't care. 1.00

01:22:28.000 They don't give a shit. 1.00

01:22:29.000 Twitch, they don't fucking care. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Tell me Rumble, bro. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:22:31.000 Totally.

01:22:32.000 I mean, I don't even think Kick will do this.

01:22:35.000 Nah.

01:22:35.000 So that shows you guys a commitment to creating the best platform, man.

01:22:39.000 Chris, you're an amazing question.

01:22:41.000 Is RumbleCloud usable for things like gaming servers with Game Studios, MSM Media, and ESG Consulting Groups attacking gamers?

01:22:47.000 I'm thinking of starting a new studio.

01:22:49.000 Yeah, I think we made a...

01:22:51.000 I think Palworld or something had said they were going to go to business because their costs were too high, and I made a public tweet saying we could help them.

01:23:04.000 I think the gaming community using RumbleCloud would be amazing.

01:23:10.000 We're all for that.

01:23:11.000 It's almost like Pokemon, right?

01:23:12.000 I've played it before.

01:23:13.000 It's pretty good.

01:23:14.000 I beat the game.

01:23:16.000 That's our other Chris.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 Not so rich.

01:23:19.000 Hey man, he's loaded, man. 0.97

01:23:21.000 She's the bum version, quite literally. 1.00

01:23:23.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 This is too hilarious.

01:23:31.000 Okay, well...

01:23:31.000 Sorry about that, Chris.

01:23:32.000 What were you saying?

01:23:33.000 So, yeah, rumble.cloud, you can go there.

01:23:36.000 You can check out the packages we have in terms of the VMs and see if it would work for your needs.

01:23:44.000 But we'd love to tap into that industry.

01:23:47.000 I think that'll...

01:23:48.000 If we could get the gaming industry on RumbleCloud, that's going to be huge.

01:23:52.000 I actually think the cloud...

01:23:54.000 There's two things.

01:23:55.000 I'm going to be the top gamer for Rumble, man.

01:23:57.000 We'll bring toxic gaming back.

01:23:59.000 In order to tilt the market back and win, we need to... 0.99

01:24:07.000 We need to kick the advertising ecosystem's ass. 1.00

01:24:09.000 We need to kick the cloud ecosystem's ass. 1.00

01:24:13.000 We gotta win in those two categories because cloud is the heart of big tech. 0.99

01:24:18.000 That we are taking the fight directly in their house right now by having cloud.

01:24:23.000 Their profit center, that's where they make a ton of money and they get to dictate a lot of things that happen on the internet.

01:24:30.000 The free flow of information starts at the cloud because everyone can hop on a browser and find a site and get their information.

01:24:38.000 But if it's all hosted on the cloud, they can prevent that free flow of information.

01:24:44.000 So having a new highway in that side of the world, having the rumble cloud is huge.

01:24:50.000 It's huge.

01:24:50.000 A massive asset that can really push back.

01:24:53.000 And obviously the advertising ecosystem is massive and I think we can do some serious damage on that side of the business as well.

01:25:01.000 Gaming combined to all other forms of entertainment is number one.

01:25:05.000 It beats movies, TV, sports.

01:25:08.000 It beats everything combined, gaming.

01:25:09.000 It's a huge industry, guys.

01:25:11.000 What else we got here?

01:25:13.000 YouTubeBot, 50 bucks.

01:25:14.000 Okay, shout out to you, bro.

01:25:17.000 Aortiz goes, Chris, can you address why 70% of your market cap is owned by insiders and of the 30% that actually out to the public, 5% is owned by Vanguard and 1.2% by both BlackRock and Straight Street, respectively?

01:25:28.000 I'm not sure those percentages are correct.

01:25:30.000 I've seen some stuff online that is not correct.

01:25:34.000 And I don't know whether those percentages are correct.

01:25:41.000 But yes, one thing that is correct is that the majority of ownership is insiders.

01:25:45.000 I have 85% voting control in Rumble, so roughly 85% voting control at Rumble. 0.99

01:26:06.000 Oh shit. 0.98

01:26:13.000 Nice. 0.99

01:26:14.000 But the public, the shares, like the insiders have like a huge portion in the majority of the shares.

01:26:22.000 And we're all like super passionate individuals in what we're doing and really believe in the mission.

01:26:30.000 Like myself, obviously Dan, everyone.

01:26:34.000 I mean, the proof's in the pudding.

01:26:35.000 How many countries have come after you and said, yo...

01:26:38.000 You need to cancel this person.

01:26:40.000 You guys said go pound sand.

01:26:41.000 Or, you know, how many hit pieces does Media Matters make?

01:26:44.000 You know, trying to say that you guys incite X, Y, Z. Like, you guys are really committed to the mission, right?

01:26:50.000 It's like you guys are standing up to freaking governments.

01:26:52.000 Oh, we do. 0.88

01:26:53.000 Multiple.

01:26:54.000 France, Brazil, UK. We shut those countries off because they asked us to shut off a creator.

01:27:02.000 Name another large platform that has ever walked away from a country based on the principles, based on a human right.

01:27:11.000 I don't know.

01:27:11.000 Because I get a lot of questions from you guys from France saying, yo, why isn't Rumble in France?

01:27:15.000 No, you know why.

01:27:16.000 Now you guys know why.

01:27:17.000 They basically wanted someone, in Brazil too, they wanted someone canceled.

01:27:20.000 Rumble said, no, we're not going to do it.

01:27:21.000 And they basically turned the country off, guys.

01:27:24.000 We stuck up for a crater than complying with the government.

01:27:27.000 Imagine that.

01:27:29.000 It's like, I can't believe we're in it.

01:27:30.000 It's sad that we're there.

01:27:33.000 And it sucks that we're the only one that does that.

01:27:36.000 It would be so great if Elon would come in and do the same thing.

01:27:40.000 It would be so great if Mata did the same thing.

01:27:43.000 I would love that kind of support.

01:27:45.000 And that would really tilt the system back.

01:27:47.000 You create a wall of platforms to fight back against this ridiculous censorship that's happening around the world.

01:27:55.000 It really opens your eyes of how amazing America really is.

01:27:59.000 Because we don't have this luxury.

01:28:03.000 In a lot of countries of the world that we do here.

01:28:06.000 That First Amendment is so incredible.

01:28:10.000 A lot of people will have it in their Bill of Rights, like Canada and all these other places, but if you don't have a judicial system and you can't uphold that constitution, that's a problem.

01:28:23.000 In America, it's really fortunate that we have a country that really upholds this human right.

01:28:32.000 And guys, we're going to go 50 and up here because, you know, obviously Chris is a busy man.

01:28:36.000 He's got money to make and, you know, creators to save and promoting free speech.

01:28:41.000 Hardyway says, is there any way that you can implement different price levels for memberships on locals similar to Patreon?

01:28:47.000 Remember, FNF used to have different membership levels when they were on Patreon.

01:28:50.000 Okay, so for locals, that's what they're asking.

01:28:53.000 That's a good question.

01:28:53.000 I don't know the answer to that.

01:28:55.000 I think you could, but I'm not going to say for certain because I don't know specifically if you can do that or not.

01:29:05.000 Okay.

01:29:06.000 What else?

01:29:07.000 Okay, can you make Rumble available for consoles, PlayStation, Xbox, for example?

01:29:10.000 Xbox is coming.

01:29:12.000 Okay.

01:29:14.000 Magico goes, Chris, love the platform growth and offerings in Cloud Studio video ads.

01:29:19.000 Would TikTok short form come into play?

01:29:22.000 Any roadmap to go into tweet or forum space like Reddit or True Social?

01:29:26.000 Interesting.

01:29:28.000 No.

01:29:29.000 Not at all.

01:29:30.000 I think we have the four categories.

01:29:35.000 I can add a fifth category in what we're kind of exploring, but it kind of really dovetails into studio.

01:29:42.000 So, cloud, Video platform, advertising ecosystem, and then studio, which is going to bring in ads.

01:29:50.000 And one of the things we're doing is we're trying to bring in our own products.

01:29:55.000 So like, for example, if brands don't want to touch you, run Rumble Coffee, right?

01:30:02.000 Stuff like that.

01:30:03.000 So we want to make sure...

01:30:06.000 It's actually pretty good.

01:30:08.000 I actually really like this coffee.

01:30:09.000 I bought a coffee maker just for it.

01:30:11.000 We had some in Romania with the Tates.

01:30:13.000 It was great.

01:30:14.000 It's legit.

01:30:15.000 It's actually legit.

01:30:16.000 It's high-quality stuff.

01:30:17.000 I love it.

01:30:19.000 But what we want to do is we want to have...

01:30:23.000 Like, a set of different products so that creators can generate revenue.

01:30:27.000 Because there's a lot of creators that advertisers don't want to touch at all, and that creates an issue.

01:30:33.000 And it's gotten so stupid, the reasons why, that, like, if you want to promote Rumble Coffee, it'll be as an option in the Rumble studio to generate revenue.

01:30:45.000 So we want to have a product line. 0.98

01:30:47.000 We don't just want coffee.

01:30:48.000 We're looking at exploring in, like, various different products.

01:30:51.000 So you can call that, like, a fifth...

01:30:53.000 A fifth pillar.

01:30:54.000 That's so important though.

01:30:55.000 But that's really just supporting the Rumble Advertising Center and the studio.

01:30:58.000 So it kind of fits into one of those.

01:31:00.000 I think for a creator, if you're not able to get sponsors from other brands, then guess what Rumble says?

01:31:05.000 Here's some products you can use in your platform to help us generate money, which is pretty good.

01:31:10.000 Yeah.

01:31:11.000 I mean, what other platform is going to do that, guys?

01:31:13.000 How about whiskey?

01:31:15.000 This guy.

01:31:16.000 Rum?

01:31:17.000 How about rum?

01:31:18.000 Yeah, rum.

01:31:20.000 That's what Chris wants.

01:31:20.000 It's possible.

01:31:21.000 That's rumbo card! 0.56

01:31:23.000 Fat Olive, as he goes, Chris, thank you for giving us a partner program, only investing channel on rumbo that looks at fundamentals.

01:31:29.000 Question, when do you see rum to be net income positive and cash flow positive?

01:31:34.000 So these are like forward-looking statements for a public company.

01:31:38.000 I can't get into answering any forward-looking type stuff when it comes to financials or rumble.

01:31:46.000 That's for the CFO. Luzupan goes, Am I tripping or is there no way to download long-form content to the device in an app similar way to YouTube, Whole, FNF, Team and Chris?

01:31:54.000 So download your videos on...

01:31:55.000 I think you download videos on Rumble?

01:31:57.000 Yeah, it's not...

01:31:58.000 I think I know what he's asking.

01:32:00.000 We're going to be building in that function where you can actually download it to your device.

01:32:03.000 So that's coming.

01:32:04.000 Okay, because I've seen the download thing.

01:32:06.000 Yeah, in your accounts you have it, I believe.

01:32:08.000 Okay.

01:32:08.000 For your own stuff, yeah.

01:32:10.000 Okay.

01:32:10.000 PunchTV says, What is the future of the gaming community on Rumble?

01:32:14.000 Good question, bro.

01:32:16.000 Hey, like I said, we want to be in all categories of content.

01:32:21.000 We don't want to be one specific thing.

01:32:22.000 We don't want to be just politics.

01:32:24.000 We don't want to be just sports.

01:32:25.000 We want to kind of have all the communities on Rumble.

01:32:28.000 I think it just comes down to building an amazing product and getting a better product out there, and that's what we're going to do.

01:32:35.000 Like I said, latency is a big thing that we need to...

01:32:37.000 Need to fix.

01:32:38.000 And our goal is to be better than any other platform out there when it comes to latency.

01:32:44.000 And I will drive and I won't stop and I won't quit until we are better than everyone out there.

01:32:49.000 So I think as we continue to build a better product here and sub-gifting and all the other stuff, rating.

01:32:55.000 Rating is in testing right now with some creators.

01:32:58.000 We'll have that better product and hopefully we'll have a much better product here in the next year or two.

01:33:04.000 Yeah, and I game on Rumble, guys.

01:33:06.000 It's a Rumble exclusive for obvious reasons, because I'm very competitive.

01:33:09.000 But yeah, if you guys want to see me game on Overwatch, I'm over there on Rumble.

01:33:12.000 That's a nice way to say it, but I don't ask for you, bro.

01:33:16.000 Yeah, Crickle goes, Hey, Chris, my question is, there have been any thoughts on developing using an additional streaming protocol alongside RMTP? Something like Mixer's FTL protocol, which gave an option for sub-second latency.

01:33:30.000 I wasn't aware of that, but that is something I will talk to my tech teams with respect to.

01:33:37.000 I have no idea what he said, but it looks like you know.

01:33:41.000 We got here.

01:33:42.000 Just checked out RumbleCloud.

01:33:43.000 Solid pricing, but no GPU compute.

01:33:45.000 How many V100s do you have on order, and when can I start running my Gen.AI app on RumbleCloud?

01:33:53.000 Interesting questions.

01:33:54.000 Yeah, tech questions.

01:33:57.000 I don't even know what they're saying.

01:33:59.000 Interesting.

01:33:59.000 Go back.

01:34:02.000 That's a graphics card question.

01:34:04.000 Yeah, so GPUs is in very high demand, specifically the H100s.

01:34:11.000 I can't talk about any forward-looking stuff, but what I will say is that we're very aware of the AI community and the needs on the cloud side, and that is something that we are having a lot of conversations about in where and how much to invest,

01:34:31.000 and hopefully there'll be some more information on that, but I don't want to say much more than that at this point in time.

01:34:37.000 No problem.

01:34:38.000 And we got 14,000 of y'all, man.

01:34:40.000 I like the video, guys.

01:34:42.000 Katie Maria says, Hey, Chris, can you tell me why Europa, the last battle, has disappeared from Rumble?

01:34:47.000 I'm not familiar with what this is, but if videos are getting taken down...

01:34:53.000 Might be copyright.

01:34:54.000 Could be copyright, it could be an app store, takedown request, it could be various different things.

01:35:02.000 Like I said, there's many different reasons why the content can be taken down on Rumble, but we try to be as...

01:35:11.000 We try to push the system as much as possible that we possibly can, but we're constricted by guardrails of the app stores.

01:35:19.000 Yeah.

01:35:20.000 Let's see, because that's a documentary, guys, so it might be copyrighted.

01:35:23.000 What else do we got here?

01:35:24.000 We have one more.

01:35:25.000 One more?

01:35:26.000 That's going to be in soon.

01:35:27.000 It's coming shortly.

01:35:29.000 Someone clarifying one of their questions?

01:35:31.000 So, Chris, I guess just for me, the last question I have for you.

01:35:35.000 Future Rumble, where's it going, and what's the future for creators on Rumble?

01:35:43.000 So, at this point in time, I am the most, what's the word, excited with what we have.

01:35:53.000 We have, it has taken, it's actually been really fast, but for me it's been really slow.

01:35:59.000 In perspective, we built an ad marketplace in the last year and a half when Google spent billions of dollars buying Double Kick and Double Click and many other things.

01:36:09.000 We have the four assets that we can finally go to market and start selling now and start improving.

01:36:17.000 The Rumble video product will only get better.

01:36:20.000 The Rumble Advertising Center is an incredible asset for publishers, for Rumble, for advertisers, going directly after AdSense and AdExchange.

01:36:32.000 We have the cloud going directly at the heart of big tech.

01:36:36.000 And then we have the studio.

01:36:38.000 All these products now, we're finally at the stage where they're all kind of out there.

01:36:43.000 The studio still needs to add the ads part.

01:36:45.000 Once that's done, I can now, you know, hit the market with four incredible products, build an incredible business.

01:36:53.000 It's like a mini Google in a way, you know, not search, or we don't have search, but...

01:36:59.000 And we can hit the market and really push forward.

01:37:03.000 Like...

01:37:04.000 I've never been more excited about these four assets that we have.

01:37:07.000 I think they're incredible assets.

01:37:09.000 It's an incredible achievement what we've done in the last couple of years alone since we raised money.

01:37:16.000 And I've never been more excited, I think, for creators.

01:37:19.000 The fact that they're going to have advertising options.

01:37:23.000 They're going to have things like Rumble Coffee to advertise.

01:37:26.000 You guys are already doing it.

01:37:29.000 That is what's going to build sustainability for creators.

01:37:33.000 All these things are coming together and we're going to be able to create a creator ecosystem that's going to be sustainable for the long term.

01:37:40.000 And most importantly, my goal is to create...

01:37:48.000 I want to create the best way for creators to make and generate revenue.

01:37:54.000 I want to be the best place on the planet for helping creators make money.

01:38:00.000 And you guys do better than YouTube.

01:38:01.000 If a creator comes over to Rumble, they don't got to wait to get monetized.

01:38:04.000 They get monetized.

01:38:05.000 Yeah, we have some advantages.

01:38:06.000 Obviously, YouTube's got other advantages.

01:38:08.000 They get a lot of brand ads.

01:38:10.000 We don't.

01:38:13.000 The goal is, though, with Rumble Advertising Center and then Rumble Studio bringing in live reads, which no one else does, by the way, that's patent pending, that technology to, in real time, get an advertisement notification while you're live streaming.

01:38:29.000 So imagine we're live right now, and your Rumble dashboard in the Rumble Studio right now pops up and says, hey, for $100, read this read on Rumble Coffee.

01:38:39.000 You read it, $100 goes into your account.

01:38:42.000 That's what this is going to do.

01:38:43.000 This is patent pending right now.

01:38:45.000 This is a whole new mousetrap for generating revenue for creators that no one else has out there.

01:38:51.000 And I think that's going to be a really big competitive advantage in the live streaming market.

01:38:55.000 The other great part is it doesn't really depend on Rumble.

01:39:00.000 You can stream on YouTube, you can stream on any platform, and Rumble will now participate in the revenue generation on all platforms.

01:39:11.000 So it's not limited to just the audience on Rumble.

01:39:14.000 It's unlimited to the whole spectrum of all platforms.

01:39:17.000 Wow.

01:39:19.000 No, that's great stuff, man.

01:39:20.000 As you guys can see, a lot of big things coming for Rumble.

01:39:23.000 Did that thing come in, guys?

01:39:24.000 Yeah, okay, man.

01:39:24.000 Okay, last one here, guys.

01:39:26.000 Boozy Badass says, Chris, bring in Brand Dangerous Perfume and Cologne. 1.00

01:39:30.000 We want to work with Fresh and Fitted.

01:39:33.000 Okay.

01:39:33.000 Never heard of it, but okay.

01:39:35.000 Guys, this was a great episode, man.

01:39:38.000 I don't think anyone else would, you know, have the courage to come and listen to constructive criticism.

01:39:43.000 Like, that show is a dedication of making the platform the best it can be.

01:39:46.000 I told you guys, the last Bachelor of Free Speech, man.

01:39:49.000 Chris, thanks for coming on the pod, bro.

01:39:51.000 I'll give you the last word.

01:39:52.000 No, thank you.

01:39:54.000 You guys are a powerful force on Rumble.

01:39:58.000 I would say one of the larger shows.

01:40:01.000 You guys pull in some incredible numbers.

01:40:03.000 We're so happy to have you guys.

01:40:05.000 I love seeing these Rumble trophies on the table here.

01:40:11.000 What you guys have done in helping Rumble has been phenomenal.

01:40:15.000 I just want to say a big thank you to you and your community out there.

01:40:21.000 Having the patience they've had with a lot of stuff that we needed to improve on over the years.

01:40:27.000 So I can't thank you guys enough.

01:40:28.000 You guys and your community is what makes us better.

01:40:32.000 And I can't thank you guys enough.

01:40:34.000 Thank you so much, man.

01:40:36.000 Shout out to Chris.

01:40:38.000 He's the CEO of RumbleMan.

01:40:39.000 Shout out to RumbleMan.

01:40:40.000 Guys, we'll be back with some lovely ladies in a little bit, man, because the show doesn't end. 1.00

01:40:44.000 Love y'all.

01:40:45.000 Peace.

01:40:47.000 I ran so far away I just ran, I ran on island days

Fresh & Fit - March 18, 2024

Chris Pavlovski Meets FreshandFit

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