Dave Smith is a stand-up comedian and podcaster from Brooklyn, New York. He has been a supporter of Seth Rogan's work for a long time, and I was super excited to have him on The Freshman Podcast. We talk about his life growing up in Brooklyn, why he left New York City, and why he decided to move to Florida. He also talks about why he thinks New York is a terrible place to live, and what it's like to be a millennial in the big city. We also talk about how he got his start in comedy, and how he ended up in Miami, Florida, where he now lives with his wife and 2 kids. Dave also gives some great advice on how to deal with anti-Semitism in the workplace, and gives his thoughts on the recent anti-semitism protests in the Jewish community. He's a great guy and I really enjoyed our conversation. I hope you enjoy this episode, and if you like it, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell a friend about it. We'll see you in the next episode! -Jon Sorrentino and we'll get back to you next week with a new episode of Freshman PODCAST! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's up, guys? 2:30 - What do you think of New York? 3:40 - Why did you move to Miami? 4:20 - What are you leaving New York for Florida? 5:15 - What s your favorite part of the country? 6:00 7: What is your favorite city? 8:00- Where do you're from? 9: What's your favorite place in NYC? 11: Where are you going to go to grow up? 12:30- What's a good place to start a family? 13:30 14:40- What is the worst part of your hometown? 15:20- What are your favorite piece of food? 16:00 Is your favorite restaurant? 17:00 What's the worst place to eat? 18: Is your biggest meal? 19:00 Do you have a big yard? 21:00 Does your favorite pasta dish? 22:00 Where is your biggest piece of pasta? 23:00 How do you like the most important thing you ve got a big backyard? 26:00
00:10:46.000Well, I agree with you that it's failed.
00:10:48.000And by the way, I've had to fight moving to Florida a few different times.
00:10:54.000That Patrick Bet-David has tried to get me down there, and he's made it pretty tempting.
00:11:00.000So what happened with me was, me and my wife, we had our first child at the very end of 2018.
00:11:11.000So through 2019, we were living on the Upper West Side of New York City.
00:11:16.000And my wife was, she's from like the suburbs.
00:11:22.000I'm from New York City, but she's from the Burbs.
00:11:25.000And she kind of wanted, you know, she was kind of like, I'd really kind of rather go like get a house and have a big yard and have our kids in like a nice, you know, town.
00:11:37.000And At the beginning of 2019, I was kind of like, now we're not doing that.
00:12:19.000And so as, you know, she's like three months, four months old, things like that.
00:12:25.000You know, like little babies don't really know what's going on, but as their dad, I did just start to notice like things I had always just taken for granted in my life, like homeless people all over the place.
00:12:38.000And then, you know, you're kind of like, hmm, like this isn't a big problem right now, but do I really want her when she's two, when she's three, like just kind of seeing all of this stuff, all the stuff that I saw really early in life that I just kind of took for granted,
00:12:54.000but now I'm thinking to myself, maybe I actually don't want this.
00:12:57.000So I kind of started moving in the direction of like, maybe I do kind of want to get out of the city and put my girls in a little bit of a...
00:14:25.000Because that was the first time New York rent ever dropped.
00:14:28.000Well, so, okay, so, right, so the rent dropped, but then it went right back up, like, shortly after that.
00:14:34.000But, so, I immediately, because, you know, we were, like, in a little apartment that you're paying, like, an insane amount for, so immediately I started renting a house out there, and for the same price that I was renting a little apartment in New York City,
00:14:59.000And then, you know, as things were kind of crazy through the next couple years, then we ultimately ended up buying a house like out in the country, like really out there.
00:15:09.000And I gotta say, I never thought I could live outside of New York City because I was just so used to it, but it is the best decision I've ever made.
00:15:18.000I am so much happier and just enjoy life so much more being in the country than I ever did in the city.
00:16:46.000I mean, everything got stolen in New York City.
00:16:50.000I mean, you couldn't literally, I mean, things that it sounds like cartoonish to say, but you had to not only, okay, you had to chain up your garbage cans that were in front of your house, and then we found this out, literally, this is not an exaggeration, that my stepfather chained up the garbage cans,
00:17:23.000They were just trying to take whatever they could take and go see if they could sell it or whatever.
00:17:28.000But even after Giuliani came in, when I was an older kid, a preteen and a teenager, it was still a high crime environment in New York City that was like...
00:17:42.000Way worse than what any big city is today.
00:17:54.000I think the most murders were in 91 or 90.
00:17:57.000And Brooklyn, I mean, it's interesting now.
00:17:59.000If you go to Brooklyn now in a lot of these places, it's going through extreme gentrification.
00:18:03.000Because a lot of those yuppies got pushed out of Manhattan, and now the places that used to be terrible you would never go to in Brooklyn, they're a lot cleaner and safer now with hipsters.
00:18:12.000so yeah for sure and even i don't even know exactly what explains it but it's not just that the people got pushed out of manhattan because there's parts of brooklyn now that are more expensive than manhattan like it's uh i i don't know out of um like i i choose not to to be there um but i out of my group of friends that i grew up with i think i might be the only one who could afford to still live in the neighborhood we came from If I wanted to.
00:19:40.000on the street for one of the comedy clubs in new york city and then because he was like the top promoter he started like hosting shows that he was producing and so anyway we ended up being friends for a while and then we got a place together we were roommates for a little bit like i was like i don't know 21 or something like that and he he Basically,
00:21:27.000I always thought there was something so beautiful about stand-up comedy.
00:21:31.000It's this weird art form where one guy goes up on stage with no instrument, just his mind, and then can get the whole room to be cracking up laughing.
00:21:44.000I thought it was such a beautiful thing, and I just totally fell in love with it, and I've been doing it ever since.
00:21:51.000Would you say that most comedians bust their first couple shows as natural to happen?
00:21:55.000Like you come on stage, you like, don't make it at all?
00:22:00.000You know, I mean, if you, like, if you come on stage a couple times and then quit after that, then you never really, like, did comedy.
00:22:09.000But regardless of how your first couple shows go, I think almost every comedian has to go through a lot of rough sets, a lot of just busting their ass, a lot, you know, it's almost like, like, is there a skateboarder who's never wiped out?
00:23:19.000You gotta try in front of different audiences.
00:23:21.000You have to be able to adapt to your audience, right?
00:23:23.000You gotta know which jokes to make on certain people.
00:23:26.000And I had a discussion with the Hodgson's about this in detail.
00:23:29.000And I've always had like a very deep admiration for comics because it's not easy, dude, to sit there and kind of read the room and adjust accordingly because doing it live is not easy.
00:23:40.000And you gotta be able to think on top of your feet.
00:23:41.000What would you say are some of the most important traits To be an effective comedian.
00:23:45.000What are some of the things that you learned, you know, through your years, now better almost two decades of telling jokes?
00:23:52.000Well, you know, it's a weird thing because, like, being a comedian is, it's as broad a category as, like, being a podcaster, right?
00:24:01.000So, like, you know, whether you're, you could have a show or whatever, podcast or streamer, influencer, whatever, like, the, whatever we call these shows on the internet.
00:24:12.000But, like, as you guys know, I mean, you guys have a very successful show that, at least from what I understand, I think?
00:24:43.000Likewise, with stand-up comedy, it's not as if there's like one way you can be good at this.
00:24:48.000There's an infinite amount of ways that you can be good at this.
00:24:52.000There's comedians, I remember Patrice O'Neill, who I got to meet when I first started comedy, who's one of the most brilliant, incredible human beings I've ever met in my life.
00:25:22.000It could be any topic from that to that.
00:25:25.000And so, what it really takes to kind of be good at stand-up comedy, I mean, like, being a funny person is very helpful, and that's just kind of something that either is in you, or you develop, or whatever.
00:26:03.000issues or infinite things that somebody else is better than you at but if you can find the thing that makes you special and really kind of like exploit that then you could do something really great and I think that's very it's very similar in comedy in broadcasting and podcasting and in a lot of different areas in life I think that's kind of what it takes to be successful So say someone's watching this right now,
00:26:45.000I mean, I don't even, you know, in the same way that, okay, like, I've never served in the military, but if somebody was like, hey, you know, I just saw this video of you, like, you know, blowing up some helicopter,
00:27:05.000And I think somebody who's in the military would probably, they wouldn't be like, okay, you want to go down and find a recruiter, or you want to do this, or you, I think they would probably be like, hey, like, bust out 50 pushups.
00:27:18.000You know like how's how does that feel?
00:27:25.000Then like okay maybe you should do okay so so fail after 10 and then come back and do another you know what I mean like the round tomorrow.
00:27:33.000I think that if you forget how long your set is that you should write if you want to do it what I say is go to a local open mic and go do that And then get off stage and then talk to me.
00:27:48.000And then tell me if you still want to do it.
00:27:50.000Or if you just, like, you know what I'm saying?
00:27:52.000Like, in the same way that, like, if people were like, if people came up to one of you two and they were like, hey, I want to have a really successful show just like you guys have.
00:29:01.000In the, in the, uh, Killing Them Softly and For What It's Worth era, like, those two specials and the Chappelle show, Dave Chappelle, to me, was, like, about as funny as any stand-up comedian could be.
00:29:26.000Bill Burr, when he was at the top of his game, was incredible.
00:29:31.000And then, you know, more personally, Dave Attell and Patrice O'Neill, who are the guys who I got to watch in the New York City scene when I first started, were just phenomenal to me.
00:29:45.000But I will say, there's so many great comedians that it's like...
00:29:50.000You know, there's somebody else you could bring up right now who I might be like, yeah, maybe that guy's the best, or maybe he's, you know, it's very, it's not like, it's not like a sport where there's like, you know, who's better, Jordan or LeBron, where you're kind of at least comparing them doing the exact same thing.
00:30:08.000It's more like, you know, a thing where you're like, okay, who's better your, you know, Your cardiologist or your podiatrist.
00:30:39.000On public transportation, how this homeless dude shot a nut on somebody in the morning.
00:30:45.000And then the Native American one also makes me laugh when he says how he was in a store in a sport section and a Native American dude was there and he talks about smoking weed and whatever.
00:30:56.000Did you ever hear his bit on that same special that you're talking about?
00:31:46.000And then he goes, no, no, that's a good question.
00:31:50.000And then he has this long bit where basically he gets into like this black girl who was kidnapped and this white girl who was kidnapped and then he gets into this black 15 year old who killed a guy accidentally doing like backyard wrestling and they tried him like an adult and then he's like well if at 15 you could be tried like an adult then it's old enough to get pissed on and there's this whole thing and like It's so funny the way he does it.
00:32:17.000You're uncomfortable the whole time, but you're like also laughing.
00:32:21.000And then also by the end, you're like, I think he did make a good point actually with all of this.
00:32:26.000And it was just like really, really high level, like really hilarious and really smart and provocative.
00:33:24.000And look, it's not, again, like, comedy is not literal.
00:33:29.000It's not that, like, literally what he's saying is true.
00:33:32.000But it does just start to, like, you know, even things like that, it does kind of make you ask the question where you're like, okay, so, like, look, I don't know exactly what the answer is, but if a 14-year-old or a 15-year-old could be convicted of murder tried as an adult,
00:33:52.000Like, because they did something bad, you can say, okay, they're an adult now.
00:33:59.000Then it does just make you go like, okay, well then, like, that's not really consistent with, like, saying that, oh, okay, no, that's only a child.
00:34:16.000But I know that that's a good enough, like, he found, well, There's a ripple in the universe that's like, no, no, no, that doesn't make any sense.
00:34:28.000In the same way that like, you know, like, you know, I'm sure you guys have heard like the dumb feminist arguments where there'll be like all drunk sex is rape or something like that.
00:34:40.000Where it's like, oh, if you gave a girl a couple drinks, even if she consented, you're still a rapist.
00:34:46.000And you're like, okay, well, if that's true, then we shouldn't charge anyone with drunk driving.
00:34:50.000You know, like, if you're saying that when you're drunk, you no longer have agency, then okay, but just be consistent.
00:34:58.000And there's something about, like, just finding those inconsistencies that even if you don't have all the right answers, it's still a beautiful thing to go like, okay, something here is full of shit.
00:35:42.000This is like the worst city on the Northeast.
00:35:44.000He just fucking bombarded them for seven to eight minutes straight.
00:35:49.000And I think it's probably one of the best improv situations where he was able to take an L and turn it into a huge W. I really think everybody should go check it out.
00:38:38.000What made you really get into politics as a comedian?
00:38:42.000Okay, so I actually really liked George W. Bush right after September 11th, when he came to New York City, and he gave that bullhorn speech,
00:39:01.000Dude, when he said, he goes to all the people in New York, we hear you.
00:39:08.000And he said, like, we hear you, and Washington, D.C. hears you, and pretty soon, the people who knock these towers down, they're gonna hear from you as well.
00:39:17.000And I was like, yo, that, I mean, I was 18 at the time, I was like, yo, that is my fucking president.
00:39:47.000Fast forward to like, there was like a few years later, and it was after he had already invaded Iraq, and we had been bogged down in Afghanistan for a while, and it was like, what?
00:39:58.000We're trying to overthrow the Taliban?
00:39:59.000And why are we fighting Saddam Hussein?
00:40:02.000And then there was one press conference where someone asked him, they were like, hey, you know, it's been forever, and you still haven't gotten Osama bin Laden.
00:40:11.000And, you know, like, what's up with that?
00:40:35.000You came here after we got hit and promised us that you were going to go get these motherfuckers, and now you're telling me you don't even care, but you actually had some totally separate beef, because, like, something with your dad being an attempted assassination or something like that is what I knew at the time,
00:40:58.000And I was rooting when the Democrats won the Congress back in 2006.
00:41:04.000And then when Barack Obama started running, I was like, oh, OK, this guy seems really smart and charismatic and maybe he'll be kind of the next like JFK and he's totally against the Bushes.
00:41:15.000And anyway, so then it was in it was in 2007.
00:41:18.000I literally just happened to be watching the Republican presidential debate.
00:41:25.000And I saw it was the Ron Paul versus Rudy Giuliani moment.
00:41:50.000So this is the Republican primaries, and okay, so Rudy Giuliani had started that year's Republican primary as the frontrunner, and then ultimately he got knocked out, and then McCain ended up winning the nomination.
00:42:06.000But Ron Paul was running for president that year, so he was one of the guys on the debate stage.
00:42:13.000And he was a libertarian, but a Republican.
00:43:47.000We're never he said I think his exact words were he goes if you think we can go around the world doing whatever we want with no risk to us then we do that at our own peril and so he's going off on this and then Rudy Giuliani to get back to why I don't like him so much Rudy Giuliani interrupts him and he goes uh he goes you know You know,
00:44:12.000I think Ron Paul should apologize for what he just said.
00:44:16.000You know, I've heard a lot of ridiculous explanations for September 11th, and I've never heard anything like, we were bombing Iraq, and that's why 9-11 happened.
00:44:27.000Which is, by the way, was in Osama Bin Laden's, you know, letter to America, in his declaration of war against America, he specifically mentioned this.
00:44:37.000So Rudy Giuliani was just bragging about having never heard Something that you probably should have heard if you know what the fuck you're talking about.
00:45:38.000And went through this whole thing, and whatever.
00:45:40.000As soon as it was done, I was just like, yo, who the fuck was that guy?
00:45:46.000I've never heard anyone in the political sphere ever just say some real shit the way he did.
00:45:53.000And then it was just like, that was the spark.
00:45:56.000And then I was like, okay, I want to read his book.
00:45:59.000And then I just fell down the rabbit hole and got obsessed with this stuff.
00:46:04.000You know, um, and I really do, because, um, I think it's very significant that he said that back then, because to question the war, to talk about geopolitical situations like this back then, when we were in the middle of invading Iraq,
00:46:21.000etc., to question that back then was unprecedented and wildly ahead of its time.
00:46:49.000Because obviously it's the anniversary of 9-11.
00:46:52.000And, you know, I remember when it first went down, you know, we were like, yeah, we're gonna go after everybody, you know, this is Osama, this is the axis of evil, etc.
00:47:00.000Like, it was the most united time I've ever seen in the United States.
00:47:03.000And that, the whole bullhorn comment that you made, yeah, like, people thought that was fucking awesome.
00:47:07.000He's like, you know, you know, I hear you, America hears you, and the people that knocked these towers down are going to hear all of us.
00:47:14.000And I remember the day when it happened, he addressed the country.
00:47:18.000And to this day, I still use that as an example whenever I tell guys the definition of controlling frame and being a leader.
00:47:25.000His address to the United States right after 9-11, I think, was probably one of the best examples of leading during one of the most turbulent times in our nation's history.
00:48:17.000And like, I think that there was something about that to me that I, it was always very easy for me to kind of understand that like, you know, like put yourself in this situation.
00:48:28.000If someone you loved got killed in front of you, it's not that hard to imagine that you'd be like, well, I want to go kill all of these guys.
00:49:26.000This doesn't justify any of these actions, but it's a pretty good starting point to at least go like, okay, I can understand why someone in that situation could get there pretty easily.
00:50:13.000But I was going to ask you, so that kind of got you going down the rabbit hole.
00:50:18.000Can you explain to the people What the libertarian perspective is and what some of your guys' viewpoints are, because, you know, we've seen over the past 10 years, you know, the Overwood Ten Window kind of shift.
00:50:29.000Like, someone that was a liberal 10 years ago now is considered alt-right, you know, because the left has gone so far left.
00:50:36.000So, what would you, can you just explain to people, like, what a libertarian is, what your views are now in 2024, generally speaking, and, yeah.
00:50:45.000So, like, I would just first say that in the same way, like, libertarian, and I think for a while, maybe I was kind of fighting for that word.
00:51:08.000If you were to say, what does a conservative believe?
00:51:11.000You could get a self-described conservative who would say, a conservative believes supporting Israel no matter what.
00:51:18.000And then you could get other conservatives who say a conservative means never sending any U.S. tax dollars to any other country.
00:51:26.000So, you know, just a quick preface, like a lot of other people could have definitions of what a libertarian means.
00:51:32.000To me, what a libertarian means is fundamentally that people have natural rights to That people have the right to live their life.
00:51:45.000They have the right to life, liberty, and property, and they have a right to live their life and do what they want as long as they do not violate the rights of others, impose their will on others.
00:51:56.000And then, more broadly, politically speaking, it would be a belief that government should be as limited as possible, that We should be as non-interventionist in every sense of the word, whether that's domestically or in terms of foreign policy,
00:52:15.000that America's role ought to be to keep our people as free as possible and to intervene as little as possible within domestic or foreign affairs.
00:52:30.000So in other words, domestically speaking, I think we're good to go.
00:52:54.000We should defend ourselves and destroy our enemy or even prevent an attack from happening.
00:53:01.000But we should not be in the business of taking care of people from cradle to grave at home.
00:53:07.000We should not be in the business of welfare and education and healthcare and everything else.
00:53:15.000And we also, in terms of foreign policy, we should not be in the business of policing the world and propping up this This dictator and overthrowing this dictator or propping up this democratically elected government and overthrowing this democratically elected government,
00:53:30.000that all of that is just not the proper role for government.
00:53:34.000That would be like broad strokes, what I would say.
00:53:50.000Okay, so I would say, and both my personal take and the libertarian take, essentially, is I actually think that Tucker Carlson had this analogy that was like the perfect libertarian explanation of immigration,
00:54:08.000even though I think Tucker would have said that he...
00:54:12.000He wouldn't have thought of it that way, and I think he was actually a bit hostile to libertarians when he said this.
00:54:18.000But his thing was he said, I love having dinner parties.
00:54:24.000I'm really into dinner parties, which, by the way, I like that a lot too.
00:54:28.000I like having some people over to my house.
00:54:31.000You got like 12 or 15 people over to your house, and you have dinner, and you have some drinks, and everybody has a good conversation.
00:54:37.000And he goes, but I get to choose who comes to my house.
00:54:43.000Otherwise, it's not really a dinner party, is it?
00:55:13.000I mean, debatably the most out-of-control open-border situation that I've ever heard of.
00:55:21.000And I think I would support anything that would immediately clamp down on that.
00:55:56.000Would you say that that deviates a little bit from the libertarian sense, where they're kind of like, hey, you should be able to have pro-choice?
00:56:03.000No, I mean, look, in the same way that I was saying with conservatives, like who, say, being a conservative means supporting Israel or being a conservative means supporting Ukraine or something like that.
00:56:14.000No, I would just, look, I actually was pro-choice for most of my life without ever really thinking about it.
00:56:47.000And really the experience, which I'm sure if there's dads who are listening to this, they can understand where I'm coming from.
00:56:57.000The real experience was just holding my daughter the first day she was born and realizing, which, you know, because I'm a big dumb monkey, like a lot of us are, and I never really realized until I held that little girl in my arms and I had to have this dumb monkey thought where I was like,
00:57:32.000So like with my first, my daughter was, she was a week overdue or whatever, like she was a week past my wife's due date, and my son was three weeks early.
00:57:44.000And the reason my daughter was born was because they induced my wife.
00:57:49.000They don't really let you go that way.
00:58:46.000Yes, but I also, at the same time, that's what I believe, but I also am a pragmatist.
00:58:52.000So, like, if abortion was legal in wherever the jurisdiction that you are is, and then someone proposed a six-week ban, I wouldn't be like, no, that's not good enough.
00:59:03.000Like, okay, better a six-week ban than no ban at all.
00:59:07.000But yes, my position, I do think there should be exceptions.
00:59:12.000Like, there are extraordinary cases where, like, If they detect some type of horrible genetic disease in the baby, and the baby's only going to live for two years if it comes out or something like that,
00:59:28.000then I think it's reasonable to say it's the parent's decision what they want to do.
00:59:32.000In the same way that I'm against murder, but if you had a family member who's about to die a very painful death, and they were like, I'd rather be put out of my misery, I think that should be legal to do.
00:59:44.000Like, I do believe in some exceptions.
01:01:39.000um on foreign policy um like i said before i'm a complete non-interventionist i think that um america and and if if you look at almost unanimously and there were not too many things that the founders of america were unanimous on but one of them was that the whole role of america is that we're supposed to be a city on a hill you know and i i don't think We should be going around the world with all of these bullshit excuses about
01:02:09.000how we're trying to spread freedom or democracy or any of this nonsense.
01:02:14.000When everyone knows, what it always comes down to is what special interests want.
01:02:19.000It's never about any of these ideological trying to help the people of that country.
01:02:27.000I think in the same way that if you were ever...
01:02:32.000Like, like, let's say if I were ever to say to you that I'm, you were like, hey, Dave, what are you working on?
01:02:39.000And I was like, well, I'm working on, um, the house three doors down from me.
01:03:01.000It's like, hey, as soon as we perfect a free society here, and we have the freest and most prosperous society in America, then Maybe I'll listen to your arguments about how we have to go spread freedom to some other land.
01:03:16.000But until then, I don't want to hear any of that.
01:03:18.000So I don't want to hear anyone who's like, your marriage is falling apart, and you're saying you're going to go fix someone else's marriage.
01:03:25.000We should be an example to the rest of the world about how great it is to be a free society.
01:03:33.000And in a weird way, which I'm sure Like, almost everybody listening to this probably knows in their own life, in a weird way, that is always the best thing you can do for someone else.
01:03:44.000Like, what's the best thing you could do for someone you really love?
01:03:48.000Is it really that you could start micromanaging every part of their life?
01:03:52.000Or is the best thing you could do, live your fucking life to the best you can and show them the example of that, and that's probably the best you could do for someone.
01:04:02.000So, my foreign policy is strict non-interventionism, but total free trade.
01:04:07.000Trade with the world, be friends with the world, have detente, but no fucking, you know, never fight a war unless you absolutely have to, and that means you're under threat.
01:05:17.000But guys, come on over to Twitch right now.
01:05:18.000We're gonna turn off the YouTube stream in the next few seconds.
01:05:22.000I mean, look, the whole conflict with Ukraine, and I think you can...
01:05:33.000Look, Vladimir Putin invaded the country, and once you invade a country, you are at least largely responsible for the death and carnage that comes from that.
01:05:48.000And so I'm certainly not saying that he's completely innocent, but in the entire lead up to the war, She was totally coming from a reasonable position,
01:06:03.000and Western policy did everything they could to provoke and continue to escalate this conflict.
01:06:15.000Yes, yes, undeniably, intentionally, because they wanted to lure Russia into a war, because they wanted to try to bleed them dry.
01:06:25.000And, you know, one thing I would just say, and, you know, I've done a lot of podcasts on this, you know, my very good friend who is...
01:06:33.000I personally would say the greatest foreign policy expert in the United States of America, Scott Horton, whose books are phenomenal.
01:06:43.000He wrote Fool's Errand, which was a book about Afghanistan, and Enough Already was a book about the terror wars, and he's working on a new book called Provoked.
01:06:53.000And it's the whole story of what led up to the war in Ukraine.
01:06:59.000I mean, from the collapse of the Soviet Union all the way up to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, it was American foreign policy to just poke and poke and poke at Vladimir Putin.
01:07:16.000And to the point that it was all he was asking was that his neighboring country Would not be a member of America's military alliance, which is like the most reasonable ask that you could possibly have in terms of geopolitics.
01:07:34.000And look, I'm not saying any of this is perfectly moral or anything like that.
01:07:39.000And, you know, if people want to say, like, sometimes people will argue and they'll say like, well, Ukraine should be allowed to join any military alliance they want to.
01:08:29.000You can't put missiles in Cuba, and then what was ultimately the deal, if you know the real history of it, Kennedy got on the phone with the Soviets, and we pulled our missiles out of Turkey, and they pulled their missiles out of Cuba.
01:08:42.000And this is what the beef has always been about the entire time.
01:08:45.000If you go back and look through the 2 plus 4 meetings in 1991, like all the initial meetings as the Soviet Union, or 1990, as the Soviet Union was unwinding, the whole The whole not one inch east.
01:09:00.000The whole conversation was about like, okay, don't move your weapons closer to us.
01:09:06.000That's been the beef since the entire Cold War.
01:09:10.000Since the end of World War II, the whole beef has been whose weapons are moving closer to the other one.
01:09:16.000And for us to decide that we're going to try to move our military hardware up to Russia's borders, Like, why the hell would we do that?
01:09:30.000And now it led to provoking this war, as it would if someone had done that to us, where like fucking hundreds of thousands of people have died.
01:09:40.000And then at the same time, Americans who have been through, let's just say, You know, the last four years have been pretty rough years for most Americans, starting from the COVID lockdowns and all that shit, to the Biden years and all this, and the inflation and all that.
01:09:56.000It's been rough years economically, and we're saying we're going to tax our own people to just keep this war going?
01:10:05.000Oh, no one really ever has to fucking explain that?
01:10:08.000It's just, it's horrible, and it should end immediately.
01:10:13.000And major respect to you because I genuinely believe you're probably one of the first people to give that take on a huge fucking platform, right?
01:10:22.000Like people, you know, there's guys out there that talk about this stuff, right, that aren't necessarily as big.
01:10:28.000But for you to go on Rogan and talk about this and kind of aware the American masses of, hey...
01:10:32.000Look, this has been a problem for a long time.
01:10:36.000You know, Putin is actually, you know, obviously operating in a national security sense to protect this country.
01:10:41.000And I love the analogy you use with Mexico, because I use that all the time, too.
01:10:43.000Like, if China decided to put missiles in Mexico City, we'd be in there tomorrow.
01:10:48.000We would literally get them the fuck out of there and overthrow that country.
01:10:51.000So I find it interesting how we can exercise extreme, you know, force when necessary to protect our sovereignty, but other nations do it and they're considered, you know, evil.
01:12:12.000They've been controlled by Israel since 1967.
01:12:18.000And it's not even just that they've been controlled by Israel since 1967, right?
01:12:22.000A huge proportion of these people were driven out by the creation of Israel in 1947-48.
01:12:32.000And now you have almost a situation where, in a sense, you have to think of this...
01:12:40.000Okay, so Israel's been controlling Gaza since 1967, after they created the refugee crisis that sent all the refugees there in very late 1947-1948,
01:12:57.000But so, you could kind of get away with...
01:13:02.000Maybe you occupy a territory for like six months after a war.
01:13:06.000Maybe even like two years after a war.
01:13:09.000But if you're telling me since 1967 you've controlled these people and there's Hasbro, Zionist talking points that'll be something like, well, we pulled out in 2005.
01:14:05.000If you have control of them, then you have responsibility for them.
01:14:09.000And so I think almost the way Israel's assault on Gaza should be viewed is kind of like if If like the Bloods or the Crips in Chicago broke out of the South Side and went and killed a few white families in some nice Chicago neighborhood,
01:14:30.000and then the response from the Chicago police was to bomb the South Side.
01:14:38.000Just fucking slaughter all of the people there.
01:15:05.000So first of all, I think it's like the worst thing in the world and substantially worse in some way than just attacking another country.
01:15:14.000It's more akin to killing your own people in your country.
01:15:20.000And then on top of that, America is forced to pay for the thing and arm the thing and fund the thing and then on top of that American politicians aren't even allowed to criticize it or there'll be millions of dollars that are spent against you in your next political campaign and you know the only way you're ever going to be able to really maintain serious power is if you go over there and like cry in front of their wall
01:15:50.000or something like that and so You know, I don't know.
01:15:53.000I mean, we could talk about this for hours, but it's like how I feel is it's just the fucking most appalling thing in the history of the world.
01:16:00.000And like, how can any of us, how can anyone not see that?
01:17:06.000Like, strictly speaking, there is what people call price inflation.
01:17:10.000But if anyone's listening who's in finance at all or something like that, if you were taking your Series 6 test or your Series 7 or your Series 63 or something like that, and if there was a multiple choice and they said, what is inflation, and you said rising prices,
01:17:30.000What inflation really is, is an increase in the money supply, an increase in the amount of money and credit that's chasing the same amount of goods.
01:17:43.000And so, just for example, and I know this is all in theory and stuff, but I think it's important.
01:17:52.000Let's say that you lived in a society where prices were about to collapse.
01:18:24.000But the truth is they were supposed to collapse.
01:18:27.000And then your money printing is what kept them at the same level.
01:18:31.000So you've still robbed from the people, you know, like they were supposed to get a way cheaper Apple.
01:18:37.000And now they got to pay the same amount for it.
01:18:40.000So likewise that or so as follows from that.
01:18:44.000The money printing is what creates the inflation.
01:18:47.000And the reason why prices have been going up, and this is one of the reasons why, like, you know, Donald Trump is very largely responsible for this.
01:18:57.000It's not as simple as the Biden inflation.
01:19:43.000And it's like, it's the worst fucking scam in the world.
01:19:47.000The whole goddamn central bank model and the Federal Reserve, which is our central bank, is they're literally, they just print money out of thin air and all they're doing is robbing from you.
01:19:57.000Like essentially, there's no difference between me Like if the entire economy was me and you, Myron, and I could just print money, there's no difference between me printing it and taking it out of your bank account.
01:20:12.000Now, when there's 300 million people or whatever, okay, it's not just yours, but still the same thing is printing money is just taking it from you.
01:20:45.000Well, is that a setup for the Jews who run the central banks?
01:20:51.000The actual people, I think it's the member banks, and I don't know, go read a creature from Jekyll Island, but it's like, yeah, essentially the most powerful industrialists, not all of them Jews, but some of them, they're the ones who kind of came up with this whole scheme.
01:21:10.000So we talked about, okay, foreign policy, oh, I think I know your stance on this one, but just so the audience knows, Second Amendment, where do you stand with it?
01:21:22.000I mean, I think there might be a point where, like, if we could get into, like, should you be allowed to have nuclear weapons in your garage?
01:21:29.000And I might say, like, you might have to have some, like, it might have to be up to code.
01:21:34.000But every weapon you could think of, I want people to be able to own.
01:23:22.000people who I really fucking hated and I think Nick's probably had people he's really fucking hated and I don't really think either of us are that for each other I think that um Nick was uh how do you how do you African-Americans say it I think he was out of pocket the way he came at me am I using that am I using that correctly?
01:23:50.000I think it was it was lame the way he came at me and it didn't really make any sense but whatever I don't you know I don't know I also I you know and look I gotta be honest man like I really my focus is on I mean,
01:24:08.000look, my focus is on, like, my family and my career, and then my focus is always, at least I try to be on, like, what really matters.
01:24:31.000I don't exactly know what the beef with Nick and Candace is.
01:24:35.000I will say from what I've seen of it, it seems to me pretty wild that With the developments of the last few months, Nick would decide to start coming at Candice and me like this.
01:24:52.000It does make me go like, dude, what do you actually care about?
01:24:59.000And as far as the last little bit that I saw was Candice's last show, where I guess Nick had kind of indicated that...
01:25:07.000Candace has been listening to his show forever and that's how she got this information and that he knows some shit about her and Candace is like that's just none of that's true.
01:25:18.000I tend to believe her on that, but I don't really know.
01:25:43.000I told you guys, I got real into the Ron Paul campaigns in 2008, and then he ran for president again in 2012, and I remember how Viciously Ben Shapiro attacked Ron Paul, who is, at this point, by the way, this is many years later,
01:25:59.000but I've met Ron Paul many times, and I've been on his show, and I've interviewed him on my show, and I've just been at a lot of events with him.
01:26:20.000And Ben Shapiro viciously attacked him.
01:26:23.000Viciously attacked him as like a Jew hater, as like an alt-right anti-Semite for nothing.
01:26:34.000I'm sure what you guys do know is kind of about how the culture of the internet today.
01:26:41.000If you think about the most hardcore, trolly, blood sports, edgelord culture of the internet today, there was nothing like this in 2008 or 2012.
01:26:54.000And Ron Paul is like He's in his 90s right now.
01:26:58.000He is a conservative Christian country doctor who's never been a part of it, has never said a mean slur in his word.
01:27:27.000And I've always seen him as a guy who's like, whatever the other shit he says is, what he really cares about It's foreign policy.
01:27:39.000There's a lot of people like that in American politics who like they may really say, you know, you know, Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol and all these people who are like supporting Kamala Harris now, they would have been on the other side.
01:27:54.000And I remember when they were in 2004.
01:27:57.000They were trying to say the wedge issue in the presidential election then was like gay marriage.
01:28:05.000So George W. Bush said that he was going to pass a constitutional amendment to make sure that marriage was between a man and a woman.
01:28:12.000And all of the neocons got on his side about it.
01:29:04.000I guess I would say that I find Destiny to be an incredibly bizarre person who, like, and look, I don't even mean this the wrong way, Destiny.
01:29:19.000If you're listening to this, I'm sure you'll make another video about this.
01:29:22.000It's not saying one of us is right and one of us is wrong.
01:29:41.000Everything that I've seen of Destiny, which hasn't been much, I always feel like he just doesn't come off to me as a guy who is genuine.
01:29:51.000He comes off to me as a guy who's trying to, like, win the next...
01:29:57.000Round in a tennis match and trying to like outsmart you with this latest thing that he's said, none of which I find to be particularly smart.
01:30:53.000Andrew Tate is a phenomenon for a reason, and I think that he's an archetype of a male figure that I think a lot of young men always innately aspire to be.
01:31:15.000Like, you aspire to be the guy who's, like, dominant, like a kickboxer with the best fucking car.
01:31:59.000Being said, from the stuff that I've seen that's come out, I can't explain how much I hate all the pimp shit, and I'm totally against that, and I hate that message, and I think that's the worst thing to send to young men.
01:32:17.000I'm a family man, that's what I believe in promoting, so I don't like that.
01:32:22.000Although it does seem to me, and again, I don't know enough to know whether I'm right or wrong about this, but it does seem to me like I think him and his brother have been kind of moving away from that and moving on to some other shit.
01:32:34.000So I would just say I hate that stuff, but I do kind of like some of the stuff I see out of them.
01:32:39.000And as far as any of the charges or any of that, I have no goddamn idea what really happened.
01:32:45.000But I will say that an American citizen, or two American citizens, I should say, being held without charges in a foreign country with no due process, I'll say that if there's any role for us even having a government,
01:33:01.000it should be to try to get those people out and try to have their back.
01:33:20.000I'll read the chats real quick, and then we'll get into the debate, because now we kind of know where you stand politically, so I want to definitely get your takes on some of this stuff.
01:33:28.000The Cruxy goes, two of my favorite creators, Dave Myron and the audience need to check out Legion of Skanks, similar humor, versus already met Clint, so try to get Clint on.
01:33:38.000I need an After Hours with Dave Smith and or Louis J before I die.
01:36:08.000But I've never seen a presidential debate where they did it over and over and over again and never to the other side.
01:36:16.000And even though Kamala Harris was lying through her fucking teeth about a bunch of shit, whether it was like Trump's position on IVF or the fine people on both sides or the Project 2025, they never called her out.
01:36:33.000I kind of have the attitude, and I've seen some videos of you two guys kind of talking out like young men who listen to you with this thing, where you're like, you know what?
01:36:50.000You know, I said on my podcast earlier today, it's kind of like Okay, if I'm in my house, and I got my wife and my kids here in my house, and then let's say there's three guys with guns who come trying to invade my house, and I'm just here with my gun.
01:37:46.000Donald Trump should be up by 50 points against fucking Kamala Harris.
01:37:53.000This Fourth-rate nobody fucking chick who's only where she is because literally she sucked dick to the top like he should destroy her and he didn't he just didn't he rambled on and on he took the bait from her at a whole bunch of times where she'll just insult his crowd sizes and then he argues with her about that he wasn't like There's all these tight arguments against Kamala
01:38:23.000Harris, and he couldn't put any of them together.
01:38:28.000Look, the fucking president of the United States of America is a senile man.
01:40:20.000So they put him in a lot of situations where he was on his back foot and he had to defend himself, but they didn't do the same thing for Kamala.
01:40:31.000And look, honestly, I'm not even really disagreeing with your overall assessment of it.
01:40:37.000I guess the point I'm making is that I never really thought there was a chance that Kamala Harris was going to do so much damage to Donald Trump that it would change the course of the race.
01:40:50.000But I did think there was a real chance that Donald Trump could do enough damage to Kamala Harris that it would change the course of the race.
01:41:06.000He just seemed to me like a little bit older and a little bit lower energy.
01:41:11.000And like all of those examples that you've used could very easily by any sharp person, you could easily turn those right back around on him.
01:41:21.000Like even the central part five, he could have like just been like, Hey, yeah, they did it.
01:42:46.000But then if I was just on some random other podcast that has nothing to do with these topics, and they asked me about feminism, I got to start from level one.
01:42:57.000If I go on Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson or one of the really, really big shows, and if they're asking about some shit that my audience might know a lot about, I still understand that I gotta explain it to these masses in a way where for people who didn't know what we're talking about here,
01:43:19.000So when Donald Trump would go, he'd just go, she does believe in the New Deal, she does believe in banning fracking, she does believe in gun control, but he never actually explained it.
01:43:31.000He never actually explained to people that it's like, look, this is what she ran on in 2020, and she's walked away from all of those policies.
01:43:40.000And now she's also trying to walk away from the Biden administration.
01:44:00.000I saw that he spoke to her, and she spoke to the audience.
01:44:03.000And for the most part, in that whole aspect there, she won over the people that were watching.
01:44:08.000It was a direct talk to the audience, not to him.
01:44:11.000Well, I think also the other thing that's important that Dave just mentioned is that most Americans probably heard their policies for the first time during the course of that debate.
01:44:20.000They probably didn't really know where either of them stand like that because most Americans are just simply not that politically savvy.
01:44:27.000Most voters, I would say, are single-issue voters.
01:44:29.000They don't really know and or care about other policies.
01:44:32.000So the debate is really where you iron out your policies while attacking the others.
01:44:57.000He brought everything back to immigration at the beginning.
01:44:59.000Then, after the first half, he probably met with his team or something like that and told him, hey, dude, you gotta stay more focused.
01:45:04.000Don't bring everything back to immigration.
01:45:07.000And then they start talking about Russia-Ukraine.
01:45:09.000She brags and says, oh, I was in Ukraine talking to Zelensky three days before Russia invaded.
01:45:14.000And then, bam, Russia invades, and he actually flipped it on her and said, look, this chick is not a good diplomat.
01:45:19.000She went over there to try to broker peace, and what happened?
01:45:21.000She failed, because she doesn't talk to Putin.
01:45:24.000That was fantastic, because he took her argument, stayed on point, and then absolutely showed how she's incompetent.
01:45:28.000If he had done that throughout the entire debate, he would've been able to destroy her, but he was disheveled, he wasn't organized, he didn't attack each of the points, and then it fucking kills me.
01:45:37.000This whole tax credit thing that she's talking about, I'm gonna give $6,000 to families.
01:46:32.000In 2016, when I came down the escalator and I said the most important issue here is that we have to control our borders, Kamala Harris and all of these Democrats said I was Hitler for having that opinion.
01:47:43.000He didn't really, like, land the devastating blow.
01:47:46.000I kind of felt like my analogy would be like, if there was a boxer who came out, like Kamala Harris is the boxer, and she comes out, and she's got her hands down at her waist.
01:48:09.000For me watching, and here's the thing, I'm a Trump supporter, but I was so annoyed and angry because she kept bringing up Project 2025.
01:48:18.000She kept lying, and then the fucking moderators bringing up January 6th, trying to frame him as an insurrectionist.
01:48:24.000They asked him about, oh, you're claiming Kamala isn't black.
01:48:29.000They tried to put him on his back foot, but to me, I look at it like, yes, though the moderation wasn't fair at all, I still think he could have destroyed her because the thing is that so many of these policies, she doesn't know what she's talking about, right?
01:48:41.000And I was just disappointed because it should have been a landslide.
01:48:44.000And I think for Trump to win, he needs a fucking landslide to beat her in a debate.
01:48:49.000And I think basically the debate did nothing.
01:49:04.000She was able to get him on the rally thing or whatever.
01:49:06.000And then the people that are in the middle, which is the most important, I don't really think we converted enough of them over to the MAGA side.
01:49:13.000I think if anything, you can make the argument she converted more people in the middle.
01:49:16.000I think you're probably right about that.
01:49:20.000Even if not, like, I think you're right, but even if you're not...
01:49:24.000Though I still think he won, but he didn't win enough, not decisively enough, in my opinion.
01:49:29.000Well, let me say it like this, right, for Trump supporters.
01:49:33.000So Donald Trump last night, one of the moments, actually, I thought the most egregious moment by the moderators was when they asked that question about, like, they go, hey, you said recently that you did lose the election in 2020.
01:50:27.000So if that's true, then as the sitting president of the United States of America, he couldn't stop them from stealing the election from him.
01:50:38.000So what are we dealing with now, when Donald Trump is not the sitting President of the United States?
01:50:43.000Donald Trump is a convicted felon, as they keep reminding you.
01:50:53.000So how the hell is he gonna stop them from stealing it again?
01:50:56.000So then the only answer, I guess, would be that he has to not just win, he has to win by such an overwhelming margin, That they can't possibly steal it from him.
01:52:16.000If some OnlyFans chick came on to the Fresh and Fit podcast, and she got in a long, drawn-out, 90-minute debate with Myron, and then we were even debating over who won, It's a loss for me.
01:52:44.000And then, like you said before, the odds are so stacked against you that you need a decisive win.
01:52:49.000So, yeah, no, dude, I was disappointed listening to it, because I was just like, because everyone was expecting a blowout.
01:52:55.000Everyone was expecting a blowout, and it wasn't.
01:52:57.000And to her credit, she came out and she performed well.
01:52:59.000Now, there's some allegations that they gave her the questions ahead of time, which now I'm starting to maybe potentially believe.
01:53:04.000Because this woman has been avoiding interviews from adversarial networks.
01:53:09.000She's been avoiding press conferences, etc.
01:53:11.000We know that she's not the best person live.
01:53:14.000And she was fairly poised and articulate when she was talking yesterday.
01:53:18.000So it's plausible that she might have gotten the questions beforehand, especially knowing that ABC, the head of ABC, something Walden, is tight with the Harris administration.
01:53:40.000This was released by WikiLeaks, and it was, I mean, conclusively true that they found that they had leaked the debate questions to Hillary Clinton.
01:53:50.000So Donna Brazile had sent her—I guess she was at CNN at the time— And she had sent her the debate questions, and so they so conclusively proved this that they had the email from weeks earlier, and then you had the town hall debate where she's getting asked those same questions from the email.
01:54:11.000I don't know for sure about last night's debate, but just to back up your point, they have done this before, like for sure.
01:54:19.000Where they released what the questions were going to be to the Hillary Clinton campaign before the event.
01:54:27.000So it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that they would have done that with Kamala Harris as well.
01:54:32.000But Dave, to your point, it was four versus one.
01:54:34.000It was two moderators and her getting the questions beforehand.
01:55:17.000And this is, I guess, where – because once we get into this lane, this is where people kind of call me a little crazy.
01:55:23.000I think we need to repeal the 19th Amendment.
01:55:25.000I don't think women should be voting at all.
01:55:27.000And it's because – and I'll tell you why here in a second – Number one, they're not in the selective service, so they don't have skin in the game.
01:55:34.000So I think it's preposterous that they can vote for a leader that can send someone to war when they don't have skin in the game, right?
01:55:40.000And then number two, I don't think women should be in the military at all anyway, because it creates a lot of problems.
01:55:45.000So I think men should only be in the military, and if we are going to allow women to come in, we only have one fitness standard, and if they can pass it, cool.
01:55:52.000Then they have government service, and then they have some military service, and they complete it.
01:55:55.000Then you go ahead and get to be able to vote.
01:56:22.000And I'm just going to delegate it to the states.
01:56:23.000But what the Democrats have done is they turned it around and made it like, oh, you don't really have a stance on abortion, so we're going to go ahead and paint you as an anti-abortion guy in an abortion ban, and we're going to just kind of run with that, even though he delegated it to the states.
01:56:37.000And normal people don't know this because we're all aware, but when I was on the FYU campus talking to college girls, they all think that Trump is anti-abortion, and it's like, that's not true.
01:56:46.000He just delegated it to the states because he didn't want to deal with it.
01:56:47.000But the Democrats have been able to...
01:57:01.000They'll put a terrible person in if they protect their reproductive rights.
01:57:07.000I find it interesting, and I called it too, Taylor Swift goes ahead and endorses Kamala Harris on Instagram immediately after the debate, right?
01:57:15.000And we all know who Taylor Swift fans are, you know, ADIQ females that are idiots, and she turned the comments off, right?
01:57:23.000This is why I think women should be voting because they're able to appeal to them emotionally, like Kamala did when she talked about reproductive rights.
01:57:31.000Then she brought in Taylor Swift, who has a huge female base.
01:57:36.000This smoke-and-mirrors campaign strategy that the Democrats employ, it works for people that are more susceptible to propaganda, people that don't really know politics, people that like to see a show.
01:57:48.000And I think it creates a lot of problems, which is why I don't think women should vote, but that's a whole other conversation.
01:57:52.000But I think she was really good at appealing to emotion and not necessarily facts.
01:57:57.000I don't know what your thoughts are on that, Dave.
01:58:42.000George W. Bush won re-election by just purely appealing to emotion and like no logical arguments at all.
01:58:49.000And same with Obama and to some degree the same with Donald Trump.
01:58:54.000I mean, you know, he had some good points in there, but really the only way you can put it together is to appeal to emotion.
01:59:01.000It's the only way you can win in a democratic system.
01:59:04.000I mean, it's not—just imagine, like, some nerd who had all the right answers on economic policy and monetary policy and fiscal policy and foreign policy got up there and just explained them in the driest of ways.
01:59:59.000But at the same time, you know, Look, even in the founding of this country, when we were supposed to be like a constitutionally limited republic, and there were strict limitations on who could vote.
02:01:04.000Well, you can go read the founders' writing on this, and they were very clear about that.
02:01:08.000Because if the people who don't own anything can vote, that they'll just vote that the people who own stuff have to give it all to us until none of us have anything.
02:01:17.000And so, like, look, there is a fundamental flaw in democracy, like, both morally and just in terms of effectiveness.
02:01:27.000That, like, so what are you saying, man?
02:01:48.000Let's just vote to take their shit and give it to us.
02:01:50.000I think that's, unfortunately, that's just what politics is today.
02:01:54.000Yeah, I mean, you have to appeal to emotion and appeal to the lowest common denominator because most Americans are stupid and uninformed.
02:02:01.000And, you know, obviously this is why I think the Democrats are so much better at campaigning a lot of the times because they're able to appeal.
02:02:39.000I think Trump needs another debate and needs to smash her.
02:02:43.000Kamala's team did say that they would be willing to do another debate even on Fox.
02:02:47.000I don't know how real she is about that.
02:02:49.000But what are your thoughts on another debate and or if it does or doesn't happen, what do you predict is going to happen in the election?
02:02:58.000Man, it's a really tough year to make predictions.
02:03:01.000I'll say that I think that basically that debate last night had minimal effect on the race, and so I think we're right back to where we were, which is that I think Donald Trump is slightly ahead.
02:03:19.000But when I say that, just to be very clear, I mean if we had free and fair elections I think right now Donald Trump has the slight edge and I mean slight edge like not like not a If you flip a coin ten times in a row,
02:04:36.000I'm going to do a debate hosted by Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Lex Friedman or whoever, whoever the people might be.
02:04:44.000But I'm going with this other internet crowd of people.
02:04:48.000Well, I think we all kind of know That Kamala Harris would never do that, right?
02:04:56.000Like, do any of us think that there's any chance that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or anyone like that would go on Joe Rogan's podcast with Donald Trump for three hours?
02:07:02.000When this gets clipped, I don't want it to be, to sound like that's what I was saying.
02:07:06.000RFK lines himself with Shmuley, which, you know, Shmuley's a loser, but, I mean, Rogan hasn't interviewed Trump, and it's like, I get it, if you want to be impartial, why not?
02:07:30.000I think that Joe, first of all, I will just say this.
02:07:36.000Joe Rogan's like one of the best people I've ever known, and I don't just say that because he's helped me out a lot, although I am a very loyal person, and I would never say anything bad about Rogan ever, but I really mean this when I say he's just a really great dude,
02:07:51.000and I think that I think he is not a super political person and doesn't really want to be that guy.
02:08:00.000Like he doesn't really want to be the like political kingmaker.
02:08:04.000And I think that he's had, like you said, he had RFK on and he's had Tulsi Gabbard on his show and he's had like some other But it was always kind of people who never really had a shot to win.
02:08:14.000It was just people who, like, he felt like he'd have a really interesting conversation with or there was something they were about that he really liked.
02:08:23.000So, like, Tulsi was about these wars are all bullshit.
02:08:27.000And he was like, I really like what she's saying, so I want to talk to her about that.
02:08:31.000Or RFK was like, hey, the health of the United States is bullshit.
02:08:36.000And he was like, yes, I totally agree with that.
02:08:38.000I want to talk to that guy about that.
02:08:40.000I think that he's never been trying to be a political animal.
02:08:49.000And the idea of anyone even just giving a political answer to a question he asked You know what I'm saying?
02:08:59.000Just like when the way they ask questions at the debates and they're like, you know, like the first question was like, Kamala Harris, why are people better off than they were four years ago?
02:09:09.000And she's like, you know, I was raised in a middle class family.
02:09:13.000Like the second someone did that with Rogan, I think he would puke and end the interview immediately and just be like, what the fuck?
02:10:10.000You know, he's like an old-school Democrat.
02:10:13.000And so, you know, RFK, I had an interesting relationship with him.
02:10:21.000His son, Bobby Kennedy III, was like a fan of mine, and he facilitated us meeting and him coming on my podcast.
02:10:32.000And, you know, We talked about it very briefly on this show, but I've done real, real deep dives on the war in Ukraine and the whole history of that.
02:10:43.000We could do a five-hour podcast just talking about that stuff.
02:10:48.000And so the first time I had him on my podcast, we just ended up talking about that a lot.
02:11:08.000He's just a very interesting guy, you know?
02:11:10.000And his stuff about health and encouraging health is something that's so sorely, like, missed in American, like, in the American conversation.
02:11:23.000And it was just like a guy, it was like Jack Kennedy's nephew and Bobby Kennedy's son is on my podcast and he's running for president and this guy like Is smart and reads books and knows what he's talking about.
02:11:38.000And I was just totally, I was like, this is a really interesting moment.
02:11:41.000And I also just thought it was a really interesting campaign because he was such, he was like from democratic royalty.
02:11:49.000And yet he was a repudiation of everything that the current Democrats stood for.
02:12:05.000I did kind of feel like our relationship was really strained after October of last year and his position on Israel and all that stuff was just very tough for me to You know,
02:12:42.000I think he's going to be a force in the American conversation for years to come.
02:12:47.000And I think the stuff he has to say on health, on the deep state, on government corruption, on war generally, when it's not about Israel, I think all of that is really good.
02:13:00.000And so I hope he's a loud voice on all that stuff going forward.
02:13:24.000You know, John F. Kennedy was, you know, in the process of trying to get them through, it's a registered affair, APAC, with his attorney general brother.
02:13:37.000And me personally, I think Israel had a...
02:13:39.000Very strong incentive to get them killed.
02:13:42.000I do think that there's Zionist fingerprints all over the JFK assassination.
02:13:45.000Well, they were certainly blackmailing Alan Dulles, who was the CIA director, who John F. Kennedy ultimately fired, and then who was on the Warren Commission after his assassination.
02:14:03.000A whole very deep, interesting history there, and I don't know if we know exactly what happened there, but certainly there were some real tensions between the Kennedy administration and the Israelis, no question about that.
02:15:27.000So, you know, just to say, like, my, you know, the age that I am, you know, I was 18 when 9-11 happened, and it was, like, I guess in the following years, like...
02:15:41.000You know, when I was like 19, 20, something like that, is when essentially the internet changed to the point that you could get videos.
02:15:53.000Like, the internet got strong enough that you could watch a video on it, rather than like, you know, spending all day downloading a picture or whatever.
02:16:01.000And it was almost like for people of my time, the two incredible innovations of videos online were porn and loose change.
02:16:13.000Like that was like literally what dominated like the college dorm room that I was in.
02:16:31.000Okay, so with the loose change thing, I think they got everything wrong, and they had like four versions of that documentary, and they kept changing their theory every time, and I don't think they got it right any one of those times.
02:16:45.000And also, I think internet porn was very bad for my generation and younger generations of guys.
02:16:52.000I will say that there was something amazing about the fact that people were so skeptical of the criminals in charge of our government that they were willing to, like, really consider this possibility.
02:17:03.000And I think, ultimately, one of the guys who made Loose Change even admitted later that they didn't really know what the fuck they were talking about.
02:17:09.000They were kids who made a video in college.
02:17:11.000But the Truther movement and that thing kind of just, like, grew more and more and more.
02:17:18.000And I think a lot of that was because The government was so obviously corrupt and lying through their teeth that it just seemed like more and more people were like, well, I'm willing to look at what's happening here and what the other possible outcomes could be,
02:17:34.000and maybe you guys did this whole thing.
02:17:36.000I will say that, to me, the 9-11 conspiracy that kind of stands the test of time, that I don't think we have a real answer to, is essentially that those 28 redacted pages do show that there was high-level Saudi involvement in 9-11.
02:17:58.000And so, okay, if you accept that first step...
02:18:01.000But once you accept that, If it goes to the top in Saudi Arabia, or I don't know how high it goes, but it goes very close to the top.
02:18:11.000And if that's true, you kind of have to ask yourself, would Saudi Arabia just do that?
02:18:20.000Like, are you telling me the government of Saudi Arabia that since the 70s has been propped up and protected by the United States of America, that they would risk I mean, look,
02:18:36.000they only declassified those 28 pages so many years ago.
02:18:41.000But, like, U.S. intelligence has known about them from the very beginning.
02:18:46.000So if the Saudis were going to do this, they would have known.
02:18:50.000That U.S. intelligence was going to figure this out at some point.
02:18:53.000It's not like they could get away with it.
02:19:25.000And so, you know, my buddy Scott Horton, who's like, I think the most brilliant, the most brilliant foreign policy guy in the United States of America, what he always says, and I think he says this tongue in cheek, but I think only...
02:19:41.000He was like, well, if anybody should have been waterboarded after 9-11, it should have been the Saudi prince to find out exactly what the hell you knew and who gave you this permission.
02:20:02.000The missile hitting the Pentagon and the Building 7 stuff I think is greatly exaggerated, and I think people connect a lot of dots that shouldn't be connected, but there is a real question there of like, what the fuck was going on?
02:20:17.000And like I'm open to the possibility that maybe it only went so high up the Saudi chain and not all the way to the top, but...
02:20:26.000It certainly does raise some eyebrows of like who really knew what and who gave permission to who.
02:20:32.000But I will say what we do know for absolute certain that we don't have to speculate about, we don't have to wonder about, is we know that the neoconservatives had written That they wanted to invade Iraq, that they wanted to fight multiple wars in the Middle East,
02:20:50.000that they wanted to expand NATO all the way up to Russia's borders, that they wanted to use the unipolar moment and the collapse of the Soviet Union to expand the American empire across the entire globe.
02:21:03.000And they said in their own words, You can go look this up in the Project for a New American Century.
02:21:08.000They said in their own words that the only way we'd be able to work up the popular support for this is if we had another Pearl Harbor type event.
02:21:40.000I mean, at this point it's irrefutable that we had Israeli intelligence officers taking video and photos of 9-11 and they had You know, pre-knowledge.
02:21:50.000And that's just like scratching the surface just reading the FBI reports.
02:21:55.000And some of them are still declassified.
02:21:57.000But whenever people ask me, I give them the very simple answer is like, it was these three nations working together to make it happen.
02:22:04.000Obviously, there's a lot more detail than just that.
02:22:06.000But, you know, it goes a little bit further than saying, oh yeah, it was just Osama, or, oh, it was the dancing Israelis only, or, you know, it was the American deep state.
02:22:13.000I think all three of those powers working together, and yeah, you make a good point.
02:22:17.000We've owned Saudi Arabia since Nixon, right?
02:22:20.000So why the hell would they go ahead, and when they don't really even have a military like that, and we protect them, and we prop up their country, why would they do something like that without having high levels of guarantee from the United States and from Israel?
02:22:35.000Yeah, look, and like, I'm open to almost like, is there an answer to that question?
02:22:40.000Were there just some Saudis who were that ballsy?
02:22:42.000Because also, like, you gotta understand that, like, even at high levels of the Saudi government, I mean, we have, one of Osama bin Laden's chief, like, issues with the U.S. was that we had our bases in their holy land,
02:22:59.000And like, okay, Maybe there were some people within the Saudi power structure who were really furious about that.
02:23:05.000I'm open to other possibilities about this.
02:23:08.000And I also think that you don't want to discount the fact that these Al-Qaeda fighters were real people who had real motivations of their own.
02:23:18.000I mean, Muhammad Atta, who crashed the plane into the North Tower, he was radicalized by Israel killing a bunch of kids in Lebanon.
02:23:31.000But then the way these things often work, like if you look into a lot of these FBI sting operations that are really more entrapment things, is they kind of find the people who are radicalized, who are ready to go kill some people,
02:23:47.000and then they bring them into the fold.
02:23:51.000It's been a little while since I've done this fucking research, but it was...
02:23:57.000The CIA, for sure we know, was tracking the guys who crashed the plane into the Pentagon for a while.
02:24:05.000And with those stories, there are times where the people are...
02:24:12.000Like, they just fuck up, and their actual plan is to thwart it at the end, and then brag about how they stopped this terrorist attack, and they fuck up, and don't do that.
02:24:24.000You can go look into the history of the first Al-Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, where they totally blew it.
02:24:33.000It was supposed to There's no question that the cover-up has been really shady and that the American people have not been told the truth about it thus far.
02:25:00.000Al-Qaeda, you know, obviously did do this, but I think that they were facilitated.
02:25:04.000Some dude in a cave wouldn't have been able to do this without, you know, it being facilitated to some degree.
02:25:09.000Because we know for a fact that these dancing Israelis were working for a moving company and they were following around a lot of these terrorists.
02:25:14.000Hell, they helped them move from Florida to New York, some of them, to set up for this.
02:25:25.000And also that there, it was the, uh, even when there were, um, and again, this is, it's been years since I really dove into this too hard, but there was a double check me on all this, but I'm right about what I'm saying.
02:25:37.000But they also, the Bush administration got a ton of high level Saudis flown out while they're the, all planes were grounded.
02:26:02.000The United States, Saudi Arabia, Al-Qaeda, obviously, and then Israel.
02:26:06.000I think these four different entities had different reasons and different roles in the entire thing.
02:26:11.000But when you really look into 9-11, it's a monster.
02:26:13.000We did like a whole five-part series on this.
02:26:17.000Really deep diving on this, but it's something that we might never know.
02:26:21.000To this day, we still haven't declassified all the JFK documents, and they probably won't fully declassify this stuff either for obvious reasons.
02:27:20.000I think the whole profession of comedy is fucking awesome, and it's a way to, especially when you're as controversial as me, you've got to find ways to say what you want to say without getting canceled every week.
02:27:28.000Actually, I think what he should do is take on the moniker of a comedian.
02:27:33.000Because that way he can say what he wants, but it's just comedy.
02:27:35.000Yeah, you're like, I was just joking around, dude.
02:28:06.000I mean, listen, I'm the guy who talked to Nick, like, in the past.
02:28:10.000Like, I had Nick on my show after his YouTube channel got banned, because I wanted to have him on to talk about how that was bullshit, and he shouldn't have gotten that.
02:28:20.000So, I just, I guess my thing with Nick is more like, you know...
02:28:25.000After, like, it's kind of like on some, like, man code thing, where it's like, I don't know, listen, man, like, I don't know you two.
02:28:39.000No matter how, like, no matter what your views are, even if your views are considered to be, like, politically incorrect or something dangerous, it's like, okay, well, let me hear what you have to say.
02:28:51.000And so I felt like I always kind of had that with Nick, and I treated him with nothing but respect, and he was respectful to me, and then we always kind of had, at least I thought, this kind of mutual respect, and whenever people would demand that I denounce this fucking kid,
02:29:09.000like all the time, and I'd always be like, fuck you!
02:30:29.000And then, of all people, Nick Fuentes started, like, hosting years old...
02:30:37.000Like screenshots of tweets of mine totally taken out of context and then trying to like send his people at me like well look what he said here look what he said there and all of it was like I mean I don't know it was just it was uh to me it was weak it was really fucking lame and so it did it did kind of leave me being like all right dude well then We could just not,
02:31:18.000But it also did just kind of leave me like, alright, that's fucked up.
02:31:23.000You kind of, in a weird way, let me know, like, whatever, like, the kind of, like, code as a man that I have, it's like, oh, you don't really have that.
02:31:30.000So, like, okay, I don't really need to fuck with you.
02:33:45.000If you're a racist, whatever the fuck that word even means today, which I'm not labeling anybody, I'm just saying if you do hate someone because of their...
02:33:57.000Okay, I don't think that's the worst thing in the world to be.
02:34:00.000If you're just like, I fucking hate black people and I don't want to live around black people.
02:34:04.000I'd be like, all right, go move to a white neighborhood.
02:34:22.000But if someone, but at the same time, as I'm sure you could kind of understand, Myron, if someone's like, hey, fuck you, nigger, get off my fucking stream, it's kind of like, okay.
02:34:33.000I just don't really need to talk to those people anymore.
02:34:36.000Like, you know, I'm not like appalled or anything like that.
02:34:39.000But if you're really saying that, like, you're gonna tell me, like, I'm only on these shows because I'm a Jew?
02:34:56.000So, like, it would just, I certainly, I would never I've always said, if people bring Nick up, when you mentioned his name earlier, I said, Nick's a real talented guy.
02:35:05.000I would never have, like, downplayed what he has to say to the level of, like, oh, he's only there because he's lucky, or he's only there because he's Catholic, or whatever the fuck the thing is, you know?
02:35:18.000That did just kind of rub me the wrong way, where it was like, alright, so...
02:35:22.000You know like I'm sure you've had things before in life where if there's a guy it's kind of like just a man thing where if there's a guy who you were like cool to who you showed respect to and then they like kind of wildly disrespect you you'd be like all right you're done it doesn't have to be a whole thing it doesn't have to be a beef I don't hate you I wish you the best of luck yeah But I'm at it.