On today's episode of Fresh Up: After Hours, we discuss the debate between Emily Saves America and Dean Withers, as well as the upcoming culture war debate between Tim Pool and Andrew Wilson. We also discuss the latest in the Middle East, including the Arab Spring, and more.
00:06:24.000And he's obviously been ducking in a debate with me because he knows he'll get cooked.
00:06:27.000But if you guys want to go ahead and see liberals and leftists get absolutely destroyed, me and Andrew Wilson will be doing a 2v2 debate on Timcast.
00:06:35.000Well, Tim Pool's podcast on Friday morning at 10 a.m., and then I'll be appearing at nighttime for the TimCast IRL. So Tim Pool for the morning, culture war debate.
00:06:44.000We're going to debate a bunch of different things.
00:06:46.00019th Amendment, Trump versus Kamala, feminism probably.
00:06:51.000Just a bunch of shit we'll be debating.
00:06:55.000You guys have been asking forever to have me and Andrew team up and debate on the right, and we are definitely going to do it against two guys.
00:08:39.000We can read some of these chats, and then we'll go ahead and have you guys meet some of the girls on the panel, some familiar faces, so some not.
00:08:46.000Okay, Astrophysics says, Big up, FNF always on point with bringing straight value.
00:08:53.000Ladies, you know you like when we beat it up and touch your soul, okay?
00:08:57.000So after how many bodies did you lose your mind and start thinking that being a hoe was fun?
00:09:02.000Okay, we'll go ahead and go through on that one.
00:09:04.000Also, guys, just so you guys know, we have a menu in the description below that tells you the, you know, because I know we've had issues with some of you guys saying, like, bro, I don't know what the super chat, I don't know the limits, blah, blah.
00:09:13.000I'm always, you know, doing XYZ to me.
00:10:13.000I just think that for some guys, getting women as a black dude comes a little bit easier because, you know, it's kind of like a cool thing.
00:10:36.000Yeah, I mean, actually, you know, Roger, Alan Curry, like, there's a bunch that are there, but, like, there's a bunch of white guys, too, you know?
00:10:42.000But the reality is, the dynamics are the same, right?
00:10:46.000Whether you're black or white or Hispanic or Asian, like, women respond universally to certain attraction triggers, regardless of their race.
00:11:45.000Okay, so things in the past or currently with your current guy that got you upset that you either held in or told him right away what it was?
00:11:53.000I would wait to get home and let him know how I feel.
00:11:56.000Okay, for example, what got you upset?
00:13:40.000If I ask you, did you put the laundry in the dryer or did you pick up my food from the grocery store and you tell me you did and I come home and you didn't.
00:14:47.000Yeah, so they could have said something inappropriate or just rude, and I would have preferred him to just stay quiet if that's what he wanted, but he laughed along or went along with it, so he didn't really stop it.
00:15:00.000Yeah, about me, to me in front of him, and he really just disregarded it or just laughed with it.
00:15:06.000I didn't like that, and I feel like you saw that they were clearly getting in the way of our relationship, and you weren't really standing against it, so it didn't really feel like...
00:15:45.000I don't give a fuck if I'm if I'm reciprocating don't don't don't do that don't be a weirdo because it's just I will confront about it but if I if it's too much that I have to confront you about it you're done.
00:15:57.000When he spoke to him, what did he say?
00:19:34.000Well, honestly, men like no experience.
00:19:37.000So, to be honest, they'd rather have somebody that never had experience or anything like that, not know nothing and let you bamboozle them.
00:19:45.000I mean, the other way around, let them bamboozle you in a sense.
00:20:20.000So, I mean, you're saying that you think women are more attractive after they experience life and travel and do things, and she's saying no.
00:20:26.000And you're saying, well, you agree with that.
00:20:28.000I mean, we could just speak in generalities with men.
00:22:34.000on a balance of probabilities do you think like the average guy is gonna want a girl that's more experienced and traveled or a woman that's not 10 hours later laughing I would guess not experience, not enough travel, I guess.
00:23:07.000I think if it's a real alpha man, why wouldn't he want an experienced woman that knows about herself and traveling the world and understands the world and how it works?
00:23:17.000So you think that he's going to be attractive to alpha traits as well?
00:24:26.000if I had to choose between someone that's like experienced as all this knowledge and like has been everywhere versus someone that's just like chill that can teach things I think as a man I want that because obviously I can impart my knowledge and help you grow with me and move forward versus you come to me prepared with other shit that I don't know about I was like whoa like who who are you you know so yeah I mean there's probably a balance you know You have to have some sort of independency as well.
00:24:56.000I mean, for survival, yeah, but that's a whole other level of way more stuff going on there.
00:25:01.000As a man, are you not inclined to learn from a woman?
00:25:05.000Do you not want a woman to teach you anything?
00:25:08.000You'd rather just be the teacher and provider.
00:25:19.000Because I have worked with people that are females that are three-time world champions and they're way more experienced than some of the men in the gym.
00:25:48.000If I had to choose between the male or the female coach, for me personally, it would die down to who is actually teaching me better and the way that I need to learn.
00:25:58.000Yeah, but realistically speaking, you've had predominantly male coaches.
00:26:03.000Would it be fair to say that the reason why you've had male coaches and why it's probably just worked better is because of the natural hierarchy where a man is dictating to a woman how to do things in a mentorship role?
00:26:14.000I think it's just because within all combat sports.
00:26:17.000Men were in there first, and women came last, so they aren't technically in the game as long as male counterparts.
00:26:24.000Yeah, I mean, that could be an ingredient to the recipe, but the point is that men are...
00:26:29.000It seems as though it's easier for you to follow the lead of a man.
00:26:33.000Obviously, we're talking about fighting, but I think that also applies to other endeavors in life, too, right?
00:28:52.000If given the choice, women will prefer it to be natural, but, you know, they'll sit there and say, oh, well, you know, yeah, I think it's more attractive when a woman is experienced and all this other stuff, but, you know, I mean, does it really, I think that's, like, the politically correcting to say, but does that natural flow of things actually, like, dictate that?
00:33:08.000As professional athletes, we don't always have a lot of money to do what we want to do, but he definitely had some money coming in and was blowing it.
00:34:41.000Oh, well, I guess an example, like, when I was in college, me and my boyfriend, we made, like, a list of some things we were going to do to, like, improve our relationship.
00:39:12.000The root cause of every problem when it comes to women, whether it's they're flaky, they don't respond, they're not communicating, as they like to say.
00:39:19.000There's another guy in the picture, man.
00:39:21.000And you're smiling because you know I'm telling the truth.
00:40:00.000And I think, and this is why, like, I always say, I think women are naturally narcissistic.
00:40:05.000Well, you're naturally narcissistic, that's for sure.
00:40:07.000But narcissistic, and I find it funny how women always call men narcissists, but the reality is women are far bigger narcissists than men are.
00:40:14.000Because I have to explicitly say for a man, for you guys, for it to, like, click.
00:40:18.000Versus, if I ask Fresh, yo, what do you think makes you more attractive?
00:41:20.000But I just didn't explicitly say it because I just find it very interesting how the female mind thinks always about themselves first and unless you explicitly bring up the male wants and needs, it doesn't even tune in.
00:41:37.000Did anyone here say that women aren't narcissists?
00:42:15.000I have to explicitly say we're talking about what do you think is attractive to men for you guys to get it versus if I was to ask a man the very same question, I wouldn't have to say what makes you attractive to women.
00:43:07.000Okay, it's kind of like what you said, but I feel like in my relationship, the most serious one, I was kind of like that in a way.
00:43:15.000Like where I was kind of the main character in my relationship and I didn't really consider him at all.
00:43:22.000Okay, well, I'm being honest, and I did take accountability and apologize before he even had to address it to me, so I grabbed that and immediately changed it.
00:49:52.000Pretty much just wake up in the morning, make some eggs, oatmeal, take about an hour, go to the gym, train for a couple hours, come home, shower, take a nap.
01:07:43.000I moved here from Boston, but I was born in Russia, so I was adopted, and then I've moved around a lot in the U.S. You have a sad story, man.
01:11:39.000This is what I'm trying to figure out.
01:11:41.000Well, they couldn't have kids, so then they...
01:11:46.000I decided to adopt, and my parents thought adopting from Russia, they would look more like American than if you adopted from another country.
01:11:57.000Because they weren't going to adopt from America, because America has mostly foster care, right?
01:22:21.000I mean, genuinely, I don't think it's going to get banned or removed, but if it was to get removed, it doesn't change anything for me, honestly.
01:22:29.000There's other platforms to be on and to grow from and make money from.
01:24:21.000The ones that I like is the women trying to catch their husbands cheating and they record the whole process of like, he's sharing his location with me.
01:25:18.000I don't know what to say because, I mean, it depends on what you feel comfortable sharing, but if you're watching and you don't like it, you can just keep scrolling.
01:26:48.000That depends, LOL. I was done with the marriage before I started, and it was just a dumb decision and me being younger, LOL. I wasn't even talking about the marriage.
01:26:56.000I was talking about me talking to you.
01:27:51.000So, like, when the earlier question, when you asked, like, when the girl's sharing about, like, her herpes and everything like that and her sharing it on TikTok, one, I feel like that's aware to, like, all men to not, in a sense, fuck with her because if you fuck with her, you know what's happening once you do that.
01:28:06.000But girls being on Twitter, like, on some dumb shit, something that you go, like, resolve or fix, like, HIV, you're not gonna fix that.
01:28:14.000So, I do believe a lot of people are selling their privacy for content and at the end of the day, If that's what sells for them and they make money off it, you know, it just goes down the rabbit hole as in every other business that's in social media.
01:28:29.000But I fuck with it still, so I don't know.
01:28:34.000I think the app is fine, but those people who choose to post out-of-pocket things, they could regret it later, but that's their own personal issue, so the app's fine.
01:28:45.000I think it's great for branding and content.
01:28:47.000You know, it's definitely a great app for that.
01:28:49.000It's a platform to use for yourself, but it definitely gets out of line and out of pocket when people are definitely opening up about their deep, private things that definitely probably should keep to themselves.
01:29:36.000Totally dangerous because there's a cross-platform as well, too.
01:29:39.000So it's kind of like you're saying, I have herpes in the United States, and next to you, you know, fucking people in China know you have herpes type shit.
01:29:46.000I was going to show, but it's kind of like weird, man.
01:30:07.000Just look up the rings and then message them and then next thing you know, you could, like, end up fucking them and doing whatever the fuck you want.
01:31:24.000I have access to it, but, like, someone else posts the stuff on there.
01:31:27.000And I just don't use it because I do think it makes you stupider.
01:31:29.000I prefer, you know, obviously, X, Twitter, because I use that for news.
01:31:34.000And obviously, you know, I'm able to be far more political on there and have, you know, just higher IQ conversations with higher IQ people.
01:31:42.000I mean, there's still idiots on Twitter.
01:32:23.000So, since it's not free speech, you can't actually really be politically on there, a political on there, unless you're left-leaning.
01:32:28.000If you're a liberal, of course, you can go on there and say there's 99 genders and, you know, women's rights matter and stupid shit like that.
01:32:35.000But, you know, you can't have any real conservative takes on TikTok without getting banned.
01:32:41.000So, there's a hack on TikTok that I figured out with girls, right?
01:32:44.000So, let's say, for example, I'm talking to this chick.
01:32:47.000I don't know more about her, what she's about.
01:33:21.000So it's just genuinely like a nice spinoff version from just having 15 seconds to now like 60 to 10, even though it might be mindless content to a lot of women, probably.
01:33:32.000But if you fix your algorithm, me, I'm very picky with my algorithm.
01:33:36.000Like there's just certain things that I need to see.
01:33:38.000The problem is when you actually hit accept and agree on TikTok.
01:33:43.000It literally is taking over your phone, basically.
01:34:02.000Even if we all, let's say TikTok goes away, we get Red Note.
01:34:05.000Whatever data retinol has to receive from that, whatever data Facebook received from that, or Instagram, like, it's all taking data regardless.
01:34:12.000And you're just, your phone in general.
01:34:20.000One problem is that, like, if it's a foreign intelligence agency having your information like that, where Americans are thumbing themselves down, actually being a part of that culture, then it's easy to take over because you guys are retarded.
01:34:30.000I mean, everybody's retarded at this point.
01:35:03.000But the other thing, too, also with TikTok, and I was talking about this earlier, it kind of, from a creator standpoint, it allows retards to shine.
01:35:12.000Because what I've realized is if you've got a platform, right, long-form content, and you do a podcast, you do a talk show, you do any of this other stuff, it's very easy to go backwards and chop it up.
01:35:35.000I mean, I was breaking down a debate today between two idiots, Emily Saves America and Dean Withers.
01:35:40.000They both have sizable TikTok accounts.
01:35:42.000But during the course of their debates, I was like, both of these people are idiots.
01:35:45.000She can't argue a point and he's using stupid, you know typical left-leaning Obfuscating talking points to try to you know, refuse she's saying she's too dumb to realize and that's kind of what it is like Tiktok creators.
01:35:58.000I've realized most of them are retards Because the smart people are doing a long-form stuff and they're able to go backwards to tick-tock But the creators that are big on tick-tock a lot of times that's where they're big.
01:36:08.000They're not big anywhere else Yeah, that's just what I've come to realize like YouTube Rumble...
01:36:15.000That always can work backwards, but it doesn't work the other way around with TikTok.
01:36:18.000How many times have we brought girls that are big on TikTok here?
01:36:25.000Because it's easy to be entertaining for 5 or 10 seconds, 30 seconds, hell, even a minute.
01:36:30.000But it's not easy to be able to captivate an audience for long-form content without your titties out, which that's the reality for most female creators.
01:37:52.000I'm never gonna tell this story again because that video clip got deleted off of YouTube, so figure it out and just wonder why I'm holding the knife.
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01:41:41.000This is why a guy will wife up a girl that's like a five that's not a slut over a girl that's a nine that is a huge slut when it comes to long-term mating strategy.
01:41:51.000Short-term, yeah, they'll go with the hotter girl, but if we're going to talk about long-term, the purity is by far the most important thing.
01:42:09.000The higher status the man and the more attractive the man is, the more he's going to be insistent on the woman's purity.
01:42:17.000What I've realized with men that have options is a woman's past matters a lot more to them because they understand that her past can lower their status.
01:42:26.000You see a girl that's a former porn star do some dumb shit, go with a guy that has a name, What's up happening?
01:42:48.000Because being with a promiscuous woman makes you look like a cuck as a man, which is one of the worst demonstrations, one of the highest demonstrations of lower value, actually.
01:44:13.000Look, I know we experienced those arcs together, but something before FNF. Like, before you guys started the podcast, what's the wildest thing that you had with a girl that was...
01:49:11.000I have no regrets, man, because at the end of the day, I don't give a fuck.
01:49:14.000So, I know the most experience I've had is when I was playing football and a guy who was, like, you know, 50 pounds heavier than me fucking...
01:54:47.000Okay, anyways, if, once again, it's one of those things where if I was a guy that was like, you know, or, you know, a young man, 15, 16, 18, and I saw your social media, they were like, oh shit, she looks hot, she looks attractive.
01:55:00.000Like, I don't see no fucking, no accolades, no PhDs, or nothing.
01:56:38.000They're trying to say something else, and a lot of guys aren't catching it because they think that women are more direct, which is not the case.
01:58:56.000But if you only want something, well, it takes a deep level of discipline and tenacity to get it done, right?
01:59:03.000So, women went from I need a man to I want a man.
01:59:07.000And if you add in the component of not only do I want a man, but I want the top man because I can make my own money and I don't need a man.
01:59:16.000Well, what ends up happening is 80% of men are considered not attractive or not feasible as a mate.
01:59:24.000And what's ended up happening, right, is social media took this problem and it made it 10 times worse.
01:59:56.000So, it exacerbates all the negatives about female nature.
02:00:00.000And it's interesting because If you look at every society, whether you look at Islam, Christianity, Judaism, ancient societies that might be pagans, they all restricted female sexuality.
02:00:14.000And the reason why is because they knew that if you give women complete autonomy over their sexuality, they make really bad mistakes.
02:00:21.000And when they make these bad mistakes, what ends up happening is they lower their market value and they lower their ability to negotiate for a higher status man later on.
02:00:29.000So, what social media has done effectively is it's taken all the negatives about female nature, put fucking dumpster fire on it, sorry, put kerosene on a dumpster fire, and made it worse.
02:00:42.000Because all the things that religion and society used to shame and stop about female nature are being highlighted and celebrated and encouraged via social media.
02:00:53.000It used to be shameful for a woman to be open about her sexuality.
02:00:57.000Now we have women saying, oh yeah, I got herpes.
02:00:59.000And if you don't like that, well, you don't deserve me.
02:01:47.000How many times have we brought a girl in here that quite frankly is out of shape, not attractive, filled with tattoos, promiscuous, old, etc.
02:01:55.000That says, well, I have a lot of options because I could go to my DMs.
02:01:58.000Didn't we have a girl last week saying that?
02:02:01.000She was literally, like, on a totem pole, like, very low status from, like, what a man would want traditionally.
02:02:07.000But she's like, oh, well, I have a bunch of men in my DMs.
02:02:10.000And that mindset is destructive because what she doesn't realize is the men that want you sexually aren't the same men that are going to commit to you romantically.
02:02:49.000Well, you gotta turn the treadmill off.
02:02:51.000When the treadmill's off, game is over.
02:02:53.000I don't think enough women understand this.
02:02:55.000So, to answer the question, What social media has effectively done is it's highlighted all of the worst traits about females and made the problem worse because it took their natural hubris, solipsism and narcissism and it's made it times 10. So now women that quite frankly don't qualify for certain types of men feel as though they are entitled to those men.
02:03:22.000Now on the male side, that's how it's fucked up, the women.
02:03:25.000On the male side, it's made men Socially retarded.
02:03:30.000They would rather look at weirdo chicks, they'd rather look at their, you know, thoughts on Instagram versus approaching a real woman in real life.
02:03:37.000Their ability to communicate and speak coherently and be attractive in the process and not be a weirdo, pretty much gone.
02:04:25.000They want to be 50-50, we're equal, we have the same say-so, which, let's compromise this bullshit language that just simply isn't attractive and doesn't work.
02:04:37.000So, I think social media has made women more arrogant and highlighted the worst aspects of female nature.
02:04:47.000While simultaneously neutering men and making them weak and no longer qualified counterparts for the women as their standards have went up.
02:04:59.000Women are becoming delusional and men aren't rising up to even be acceptable.
02:05:05.000That's what I think social media has done.
02:05:07.000But if I had to make a point on who it hurt more, by far women.
02:06:37.000We did a fucking fire show with Donovan Sharp earlier.
02:06:39.000With the Womanese course, translating what women say, what they actually mean, because what they say versus what they mean are two different things.
02:06:47.000Gave you guys a commentary on the debate between the two idiots, Emily and Dean.
02:06:55.000And then let's see, man, if I got a little bit of energy, maybe I'll go ahead and do a third night train where I cover the ceasefire with Palestine, well, with Hamas and the idea of Israel.
02:07:08.000Because I didn't get a chance to talk about that, and that's obviously huge fucking news.
02:10:38.000Like, every podcast interview I've ever seen with him, bro, niggas high, zero charisma, worse interviews, like, doesn't know what he's saying.
02:13:00.000That's why they like to get their hair pulled.
02:13:01.000That's why they like to get dominated.
02:13:02.000That's why they like to get fucking ravaged.
02:13:04.000The key is that it's got to be from the right guy.
02:13:06.000The number one thing bitches be saying on Twitter, if you don't fuck me right, you know, like, you're not going to be the nigga I'm going to be with.
02:14:31.000Quit regurgitating feminist hockey points.
02:14:33.000Men dominate combat sports and sports in general because men are naturally biologically way fucking stronger than women as God intended it.
02:18:43.000And it's different when a man hits you, right?
02:18:46.000And I'm not saying this to be, like, an asshole or some other shit, but very few women are familiar with, like, the violent capabilities of a man when he's actually fucking beating your ass, right?
02:18:56.000And I think if more women understood it, we wouldn't have a lot of the problems we have here.
02:19:36.000But when I say this shit, the feminists get angry at me.
02:19:38.000And say, oh, you're a misogynist, you're toxic.
02:19:40.000Okay, well, accept the misogyny and save your life.
02:19:45.000Because you're sitting here thinking that things are equal and squaring up against a guy is going to get you fucked up.
02:19:50.000You might have had a bad day that day and then you end up...
02:19:53.000I mean, when you fight with, when you spar with men, like, what do you, like, what are some of the things that you do to equalize the, uh, the sparring thing so you can get, like, some training effect from it?
02:20:01.000I mean, when I spar with men, yeah, they're not going 100%.
02:20:03.000Like, if I go with a female, we can go 80 to 100%, and obviously we're gonna be okay, but if I go with a man, yeah, of course, he's gotta scale back at least 40 to 50%.
02:20:40.000It's interesting how like you know when I talk to women that are like in combat sports or women that like have taken a punch before from a guy like they get it There's no arguments right?
02:20:48.000It's only when I talk to stupid feminists that they'll sit there and say I could fight off a guy and I'm like wow You don't you don't live in fucking reality like at all That or the men that they've been with are just weak and they probably beat up on them too There are weak men out there.
02:31:36.000You don't understand what goes into building the man, just like you don't understand what goes into that chicken sandwich that you enjoy at Pura Vida.
02:31:42.000You don't know what the guy in the back had to do to make it taste that way.
02:31:49.000I have to, where it's very interesting to me that when I asked you what percentage of men do you think meet that demographic that your guy had, you said 20%.
02:31:58.000And I will tell you that that's less than 1% of men meet those prerequisites that you gave.
02:32:05.000And that's just off of the little information you gave me on how much he earns and just his height puts him into 1%.
02:33:21.000Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about me.
02:33:23.000But the fact that you're able to even have that privilege to think about just thinking about yourself proves my point.
02:33:29.000That women don't really give a fuck about what men go through or, you know, the trials and tribulations they have to go through to become attractive.
02:33:36.000Because the fact that you think your guy is a 20 percentile guy goes to show how just disconnected from reality most women are.
02:34:22.000But yes, to answer your question, or to bring this full circle and land the plane.
02:34:28.000Most men absolutely struggle with women.
02:34:29.000And I guarantee your guy, before he was able to cheat on you, as you claim, he had to talk probably to at least 20-30 girls to get one lay.
02:34:44.000Versus, what do you think, how many guys do you think you'd have to talk to to get laid?
02:36:26.000Because you're saying, like, oh, guys are running around and fucking, like, if women aren't fucking most men, then how are these men getting laid?
02:40:35.000You can get invited on a yacht with a bunch of millionaires just for being a woman in 18. An 18-year-old guy is never going to get that opportunity.
02:40:43.000He's got to be a millionaire and be a peer to even be invited.
02:40:46.000And even then, if he reaches in their peers, they still might not invite him.
02:42:12.000Yeah, so, like, what do you, like, you know what I mean?
02:42:13.000Like, if he's rarer than you are, and you found him, and he was good to you in general, but maybe he fucked a bitch here or there, like, does it make sense to, like, leave?
02:43:12.000I mean, so you think it's okay to just cheat?
02:43:16.000I'm not saying that it's okay, but I'm being realistic that if you're with a guy that's out of your league, you're more than likely going to have to share him with other women.
02:43:25.000Because for you to get angry at him for cheating on you assumes that you two are equal.
02:43:29.000But you admitted earlier, That there's way less of him than you.
02:43:34.000So therefore, he carries more value than you do.
02:43:37.000Would it be the thought that just him being with another woman pisses you off or drives, like, jealousy or envy in the inside?
02:44:38.000You're saying because this person's better than me and there's more options for him than for me, then I shouldn't be bothered by what he's doing.
02:46:22.000So, like, if you have high standards, you either A, gotta drop your standards, And let him be monogamous with you, because you can't accept cheating.
02:46:29.000Or B, keep your standards high, and then expect that he's gonna fuck other chicks.
02:52:29.000I feel like when a woman hears lower their standards for a guy, they immediately think they're getting the worst version of a man possible, and that's just not the case at all.
02:52:36.000It's just, you know, levels of things.
02:52:39.000But I do agree with what you're saying.
02:52:41.000If a guy has never had access to certain things and now he has it and all that money, it kind of makes sense.
02:52:44.000He worked pretty hard to get there type of thing.
02:52:47.000But I don't think lower your standing is bad either.
02:52:49.000Men don't work hours upon hours to make a bunch of money to listen to women.
02:52:54.000We make money so we can tell you guys, shut the fuck up, you're stupid.