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00:00:01.000Obviously, they're not going to admit right now that they ever tapped the phones.
00:00:05.000But how do you think they're getting these information if they're not tapping the phones?
00:00:08.000And then, of course, you can explain on Title III. Go ahead.
00:00:10.000Because the things that you're mentioning, which you're referring to phone frequency and contact, that can simply be done through a subpoena.
00:00:18.000You can just do a subpoena to AT&T or whoever his phone carrier is.
00:01:39.000It's at the point in the investigation where obviously you have your evidence, which may be dated, but you are hoping this person fucks themselves.
00:01:50.000You're hoping that for whatever reason they just get on the phone and just start ranting or does something now to basically verify your case that is based on evidences that's from over like 15 years ago.
00:02:58.000Now, if we're just expecting that Diddy's in the same type of place that every other inmate is going to be, maybe just on an isolation-like wing, he is going through it, right?
00:03:37.000First, it was, what do you do if you're listening to the phone and you hear him trying to intimidate witnesses or threatening violence, etc., and how do you operate?
00:03:46.000So, to get to that point, you actually have to be on something called a Title III. And a Title III intercept is monitoring emails, phones, BBMs, etc., real-time, and you're getting the content.
00:04:31.000You're not just monitoring it, you're getting the content.
00:04:33.000So if I wiretap you, Ak, and someone sends you a text message, I see that text message as well when you get it.
00:04:39.000If someone calls you, I hear that phone call and I can listen to that phone call as you get it, right?
00:04:45.000So, that's a Title III. Now, how do you get a Title III? The Title III intercept is the most invasive law enforcement technique there is in the United States of America.
00:06:13.000So when you're doing this, you're contacting these numbers.
00:06:15.000I subpoena those numbers and I identify another three individuals that are involved in drug trafficking because you're calling them when you pick up, you're calling them when you drop off, and you're calling them when you're driving home.
00:06:24.000That's more than likely co-conspirators.
00:06:41.000What would constitute a quote-unquote dirty phone call?
00:06:44.000That is a phone call where the informant calls you and you guys are talking about criminal activity, whether it's drug trafficking, money laundering, etc., So, and the reason why I do that is because I'm making the phone dirty, so now I can start writing paper on it.
00:06:58.000So, now I've established that your device is used to facilitate criminal activity.
00:07:03.000Now, I got my pen register, I got my dirty calls, and I got my informant proving that the calls are dirty, right?
00:07:11.000Because I have the monitor phone calls where you guys are talking about criminal activity.
00:07:15.000Now I start writing up my Title III affidavit.
00:07:18.000And that affidavit has to go from my supervisor all the way to the United States Attorney's Office, and it's gotta go through something called OEO, right?
00:07:28.000Then it comes back and I gotta take it to a district judge.
00:07:30.000This is a whole bunch of fucking work, right?
00:07:33.000Then, after I get my Title III signed, I gotta go and get interpreters to listen to the phone lines, and it's gonna cost me about $50,000 to listen to one phone for 30 days.
00:07:46.000And on top of that, the reason why I know that more than likely they didn't do a Title III in Diddy's case is because to listen to a phone, you need active criminal activity right then and there to be able to hear what they're talking about.
00:07:59.000Now, let's go into a dream scenario and let's assume that they were listening to Diddy's phone, right?
00:08:03.000Now that we know that it's highly improbable that he had the Title III, let's go into, let's say they did have the Title III and they caught him intimidating witnesses on the phone.
00:08:11.000They'll be able to use that As a separate crime.
00:10:29.000I don't know how 6ix9ine found out, but he stopped working with him during the investigation.
00:10:34.000I guarantee that call, the feds got that call somewhere where the driver calls me and is telling me a version of the story for me to go hit 6ix9ine up to bring him back into the fold.
00:11:10.000They just bugged up his car and that's called a consensual recording because since it was his car and he owns it and he's cooperating with the government, he could put cameras and audio in there without a Title III. It's a Title III if no party knows that they're being recorded.
00:11:27.000That was just a consensually moderate one.
00:12:28.00069 used to leak shit to him to TMZ. And he told me, and he said, yo, they got word from the TMZ sources that there was this investigation.
00:12:42.000And I remember he said to me, I'm going to be honest with you, from what I've heard, Danny's definitely on some wiretaps, and I know you talked to him, and I talked to him.
00:12:52.000Like, well, obviously we don't talk to him about crime, but it's like, yo, I guarantee we're on some wiretap somewhere.
00:13:37.000And normally, the way Title III's go, just because I just explained to you guys how hard it is to get a Title III. Since it's so difficult to get one, you typically reserve it for like...
00:13:48.000Obviously, in the beginning of an investigation, you have to work your way up, but your goal is to get to the top phone.
00:13:53.000So I doubt that they were tapping Mel Murda's phone and had a Title III going on on Tekashi at the same time because I don't know if they...
00:14:02.000I'd have to look at the discovery, but I don't think they had Tekashi's phone tapped because he incriminated himself so much and they had a debt to rights and he flipped.
00:14:08.000But anyway, to go back to what you're saying, so now that we established...
00:15:18.000Now, the only thing I'm unclear about, because when I talked to 6ix9ine, I think that's the...
00:15:24.000They were looking at him as a potential target to flip.
00:15:28.000According to what he told me, and we talked offline about this a lot.
00:15:32.000Oh yeah, I told you he was the guy they wanted to flip the whole time because I don't know if you want me to explain it again, like where he was in the hierarchy, why he was so valuable, but I'll let you finish then if you want me to explain that I can.
00:15:42.000Well, they played him audio of shoddy We're good to go.
00:16:05.000Okay, if this goes down, I'm flipping.
00:16:10.000And by the way, obviously, that's not what wiretimes are for.
00:16:12.000It's supposed to be criminal activity.
00:16:13.000But throughout the mix of whatever they recorded legally or kept legally, they had enough to play for him and say, hey, listen, just to let you know, these are the guys who are your brothers.
00:19:15.000Since it's a historical case, and they got to go back, and it's really dependent on witness testimony, They just probably wouldn't be able to get the probable cause required to get up on a phone line and listen to him actively, if that makes sense.
00:19:39.000Obviously, you know, there's more sources, and I don't know if people feel a little bit more brave because he's incarcerated, but New York Post, and, you know, usually they're, I won't say all the way right or always right, but they do have a good high accuracy rate with them using sources,
00:19:56.000They know people who are former law enforcement or sometimes they know people will just come forward to them rather than other outlets.
00:20:02.000They ran a story to say inside Sean Diddy Combs Hampton sex parties featuring gay rappers who was high on ketamine.
00:20:11.000And it says jailed hip-hop mogul Sean Diddy Combs alleged freak-off party stunned one drug dealer after he saw household celebrities having sex with each other.
00:20:21.000The dealer said Diddy opened the door to his former Hamptons mansion.
00:20:24.000By the way, Chad, we have to think about the Hamptons.
00:20:27.000The Hamptons are the place of usually the rich and famous.
00:20:30.000When you think about the now-white parties with Michael Rubin, Hamptons.
00:20:35.000For whatever reasons, the Hamptons is like...
00:22:13.000This is what the government's going to argue, that the sex wasn't consensual because of the witnesses' fear that they would deal with severe consequences had they not participated.
00:22:54.000But where the government is going to get him is that some of these girls...
00:22:59.000I don't know how many victims they have here.
00:23:02.000We're underage, which in that case is game over.
00:23:05.000It doesn't matter if it was consensual.
00:23:07.000So, you know, that's what people also pointed out.
00:23:10.000And by the way, his lawyer has been using that.
00:23:11.000His lawyer says there isn't any, you know, at least I guess he hasn't gotten discovery yet, but he says at least in the initial indictment, there isn't any indication that there's underage women.
00:23:21.000And he actually took offense to Diddy's case being related to R. Kelly's case and of course Jeffrey Epstein's case, both in which there were underage victims who are unable to give consent, so automatically any sexual activity and transporting them from state to state just initially falls into sex trafficking.
00:23:43.000If you're an agent investigating this case...
00:23:47.000And you're starting to see, you're dealing with a celebrity, right?
00:23:50.000So put your, you know, your agent hat on again.
00:23:55.000What are you looking at to see if it fits under sex trafficking versus, hey, these were willing participants who are just freaky like Diddy.
00:24:06.000Like, what are the things you're looking at?
00:24:08.000This is a fucking great question, bro, because it's going to allow me to kind of...
00:24:11.000And also, you have to manage that there are civil suits, so people, there's a financial incentive.
00:24:16.000Okay, so this is a fucking great-ass question, bro.
00:24:22.000So here's the thing, when it comes to human trafficking, and I really want to explain this to the audience.
00:24:26.000There's a difference between human trafficking and human smuggling, and the problem is that people constantly forget that they're two different crimes, right?
00:24:39.000So, what ends up happening a lot of times is human trafficking gets conflated with human smuggling.
00:25:03.000They typically pay a fee and they come in.
00:25:05.000Human trafficking is the forced labor of an individual or moving them around for some type of benefit to the person where the other person doesn't get.
00:25:43.000That human trafficking isn't easy to prove.
00:25:45.000It's actually a pretty hard charge to prove because you need to prove that it was against their will.
00:25:49.000And I predict that his defense team is going to use the fact that it was consensual and they made overt attempts to engage in the said acts when they didn't have to.
00:26:00.000Where the feds are going to come in, and this is why feds typically take human trafficking cases in the first place, is when underage girls are involved, because it makes it a lot easier for them to prove their case, because even if the girl was consensual to it, it doesn't matter.
00:26:14.000The girl can't consent, so therefore, it's human trafficking automatically.
00:26:24.000So, and I know some people are like, thank God I moved off the Drake and Kendrick stuff, but a lot of times when people think about trafficking, we think about like containers, like, yo, you're locked against you.
00:26:36.000I heard someone say, bro, Y'all gotta come with better...
00:26:40.000Like, if you're saying trafficking or sex trafficking, y'all can't just say, baby, well, where's the handcuffs?
00:26:46.000Where are these physical things that show that people could have not left, walked out the door?
00:26:53.000Hey, oh, y'all about to have five niggas and two girls all fucking goodbye?
00:27:03.000Is that just a fallacy that sex trafficking or human trafficking, well, let's say sex trafficking, is like people locked in vans and traveled across?
00:27:11.000Because I know Diddy's lawyers are going to make the point that, wait, how was Cassie trafficking?
00:27:17.000Number one, she was flying around in private jets.
00:27:20.000Who gets trafficked getting on a private jet?
00:27:23.000Also, and I feel like I keep giving you multi-part questions for her to explain.
00:28:29.000But to answer your question with Cassie, okay, so I'm pretty confident that she's probably a government witness at this point.
00:28:36.000However, I anticipate that one of Didi's defenses, I'm glad that we're having this conversation, he's probably going to have receipts and proof that she aided him in facilitating these sex parties.
00:28:48.000They were together for so goddamn long, he probably has some dirt on her too, to show that she was involved as well with helping him set the shit up.
00:28:54.000Because make no mistake about it, she was, you know, when he was sitting there watching her get plowed by other guys or whatever, it was consensual a lot of the times.
00:29:33.000If everything is against this, because again, we keep seeing, at least right now for the indictment, we see this one victim, which is Cassie, If you're saying all the sexual conduct was against her will, why aren't the prostitutes charged?
00:29:45.000Why aren't other people charged and just Diddy unless you're saying Diddy had everybody doing it against everybody's will and why aren't they listed as victims?
00:29:57.000Yeah, and I anticipate that the defense is going to be getting witnesses that will support Diddy.
00:30:03.000The defense is going to have people that can prove that it was all consensual.
00:30:08.000And I think that's going to be what they do.
00:30:10.000Their main defense is going to be that this was sexual.
00:30:12.000They're going to pull out receipts showing that Diddy might have paid for them, but they traveled from across the country to come see him, etc., etc.
00:30:19.000The other thing the defense is going to do, which I'm glad we're having this conversation, they're going to attack the credibility of all the witnesses in this case to show that they have maybe financial incentives to come after them.
00:30:30.000They had professional incentives to come after them.
00:30:33.000They had revenge incentives to come after them.
00:30:35.000They're going to attack every single one of the government's witnesses with some type of nefarious purpose as to why they're cooperating with the government, to include Kelsey.
00:30:45.000And, you know, I'm sure Diddy probably has some receipts and video that shows that some of this stuff was consensual, etc.
00:30:52.000So it'll be interesting to see the defense that his team is going to put together.
00:30:57.000Okay, would this be on the agent side or AUSA side?
00:31:00.000So, I'm now starting to believe, as this is shaping up, the main victim clearly seems to be Cassie.
00:31:06.000They haven't listed her by name, but they have listed actions with someone they call Victim 1.
00:31:12.000It clearly, you know, describes Cassie directly, if you ask me, from the Kid Cudi thing that we've heard from before, from the, you know, the jealousy, some of the dates, and obviously the infamous video that was in 2016 where there was an assault caught on camera.
00:31:55.000And also, oh, and also, these other cases, right?
00:32:02.000You know, and by the way, we're watching, like, there's a video of, like, a quote-unquote Diddy party where we see Fabulous and we see Trey Songz and, you know, Kevin Hart's, like, narrating.
00:32:12.000These other people who are, like, ancillary to the situation and all of these other lawsuits, why not go get them?
00:32:23.000Does it make the case look weaker if they're not involved?
00:32:26.000And I think that's where Diddy's going to come in.
00:32:50.000Present evidence that shows that other individuals were also involved with facilitating this.
00:32:56.000I think that's what his game plan is going to be.
00:33:00.000You know, I've heard people mention Trey Song's name and not to throw him into the fire or anything like that, but obviously there wouldn't be no name as an entertainer that's bigger than Diddy.
00:33:12.000And when people think about there's bigger fish, they're thinking about possibly executives.
00:33:38.000They look at Diddy and be like, yo, if you could corroborate or help us get an investigation on this nigga going on, we might give you a little bit.
00:33:48.000If he can give them other names of big individuals that would bring the United States Attorney's Office some positive press, I think they can do it.
00:34:03.000And he can provide some information with his lawyer there and not be prosecuted for it.
00:34:07.000And if he provides substantial assistance, at least to an arrest or advancement of the investigation, they'll definitely give him some time off.
00:35:10.000And the beauty here, going back to that Miranda discussion me and you had earlier, I don't really have to Mirandize her when I'm just doing like a knock and talk, right?
00:35:17.000Unless I'm like overtly asking her questions and she doesn't feel free to leave.
00:35:21.000Like I don't really have to Mirandize her in that situation, right?
00:35:24.000So I would definitely be talking to her.
00:35:27.000Another person I would talk to, I'll go talk to 50 Cent.
00:35:30.000I'll go, like if I, there's people that I know that like don't like Diddy, even though that this might be biased, I'll go talk to them too.
00:35:45.000But the thing is, when you deal with someone that's biased like that, right, let's say I go talk to 50 Cent and he tells me XYZ. I'm like, alright, cool.
00:36:40.000He's a credible witness now because he gave me independent evidence that proves what he's saying is true and it's not just an axe to grind, if that makes sense.
00:37:12.000But he's not speaking on someone who, you know, think about these celebrities that attended the party.
00:37:16.000If you're an agent, do you play this dirty game?
00:37:18.000Even if maybe some people might know information but never really participate, do you almost pull up on them and say, hey, listen, We might be looking to charge you as well based on what we know.
00:37:31.000Just feed them false information that it could be truthful.
00:37:33.000And hey, your name might be in that indictment with Diddy as a defendant unless just tell me everything you know.
00:37:42.000Tell me the worst things you've ever seen about him.
00:37:45.000And that could probably aim us in the right direction or maybe if you have a video or incriminating video or whatever, that could really help us really do our thing.
00:37:56.000I think it's very important that I let your audience know this for their own protection too.
00:37:59.000Guys, the police can lie to you, okay?
00:38:02.000Law enforcement can absolutely lie to you.
00:38:04.000So that's something that people need to understand, know, and kind of have in the back of their mind anytime they're talking with law enforcement.
00:38:11.000So, you know, sometimes they're bluffing, hey, we can charge you with XYZ, and they can't actually do it.
00:38:17.000And there's other times where they'll tell you, yeah, we can charge you XYZ, and they can do it.
00:38:20.000So it's kind of on you to, you know, Understand when you can tell what you're involved in, what you're not involved in, what they're lying about, what they're not lying about.
00:38:28.000But yeah, they can absolutely go to people like Young Miami or something like that, someone that was kind of close to the criminal activity and threatened to indict them as well if they don't cooperate.
00:38:41.000If Diddy supposedly held footages, and there's one report, and we're going to get to that, it's a New York Post article where there was a federal source who supposedly claimed they had some knowledge of the investigation, and they claimed that...
00:40:35.000That's probably why they're not charging.
00:40:36.000And the other thing too is, you know, Diddy can make the claim that everyone that came into my house knows that I record everything.
00:40:43.000A lot of these artists, a lot of these, you know, wealthy people, they make these women sign NDAs when they show up.
00:40:48.000So in the NDA, it might say, hey, I have a right to record every single part of the house and you're going to be under surveillance.
00:40:55.000So, you know, that's another way to kind of get around it.
00:40:57.000But I think the reason why it's not being raised to a federal issue is because typically voyeurism or recording people During sexual acts, it's like a state thing, because some states are one party, some states are two party, etc.
00:41:08.000It's not really a federal issue unless children are involved.
00:41:12.000Yeah, Chad, this was one of the infamous Diddy parties from six years ago.
00:41:18.000This might have been his 50th birthday, right?
00:42:41.000The drug peddler added that many people at the party, which included a mix of female rappers and hookers, were already high on ketamine and GHB. That's...
00:42:52.000This is a very interesting point that I've heard many people repeat.
00:42:57.000But how do you prove this 20 years later?
00:43:00.000They're saying Diddy had these parties and he drugged drinks.
00:43:03.000Now, if there's no toxicology reporter, there's no...
00:43:38.000Remember, you're interviewing each of them at different times.
00:43:40.000So one day you interview witness one, another day you interview witness two, another day you interview witness four, five, three, whatever the fuck it is, right?
00:43:47.000And if all of them say, yo, when I was there, this dude had GHB and cocaine, etc.
00:43:53.000And they all corroborated independently, right?
00:43:56.000Because again, they don't know that you spoke to the other individual.
00:44:00.000They're just telling you what they saw.
00:44:02.000Then that adds credence and credibility to each witness because they've all independently corroborated the same facts.
00:44:09.000So that's how you kind of get around the whole was he in possession of drugs or not because you got a bunch of witnesses saying that the same exact drugs were there.
00:44:20.000By the way, also, this article leads with the headline that says featuring gay rappers, but we're not hearing men.
00:44:27.000I mean, there's some guys, obviously Lil Rod is saying he was sexually assaulted, but he never said he got penetrated.
00:44:32.000We're not hearing men saying that they were...
00:44:57.000They might have testified at the grand jury, right?
00:44:59.000But they're not, like, going public, like, you know, public to the general public.
00:45:05.000But, you know, when Diddy's defense attorneys, which I'm sure by now they probably have a majority of the discovery, Diddy's team is going to look through and see...
00:45:13.000Wait, do you think they've got it already?
00:46:02.000One of the Department of Homeland Security agents who helped So, if you were in the sex party, this is a direct quote.
00:46:30.000It says, and this is the agent again, in my opinion, he's as bad as Jeffrey Epstein.
00:46:36.000The source added about the late pedophile who hung himself behind bars.
00:46:41.000It says, these women are young, either barely legal or barely illegal.
00:46:48.000Internally, officers said that they see a lot of similarities between Combs and Epstein, the well-connected financier who served time for trafficking dozens of girls in New York and Florida.
00:46:59.000Epstein was awaiting trial on additional charges, but he died in his jail cell in 2019.
00:47:33.000So he was flying these girls all around on his private jets and shit like that.
00:47:37.000So if they were adults, bro, he would have been able to have a pretty strong defense that it was consensual.
00:47:43.000But what fucked Epstein up is that he recruited young girls and kind of groomed them when they were young.
00:47:48.000To, like, fuck his rich and powerful friends, and that's what got him jacked up, is dealing with the underage girls.
00:47:55.000And that's what gives people, it gives the feds jurisdiction a lot of times, is the girls are underage and they're being transported interstate.
00:48:01.000But I got, like, a minute, bro, and then I gotta get off his fresh ones to stream, and he's...
00:48:28.000I'm sure you guys can tell from the way I speak about it.
00:48:30.000But the reason why I know all this shit is because I worked really hard when I was an agent, so I got to learn all this shit through experience.
00:48:37.000Okay, one last question, still multi-parted.
00:48:41.000This question I really have, I have it written down that I'll eventually ask Bradford Cohen, a very notorious defense attorney, but I do want to hear your take on it.
00:49:17.000Which now, if we are in the belief that maybe this investigation was spurred off of a civil litigation, should Diddy almost try to drag the civil stuff out?
00:49:55.000I'll ask you from an agent perspective.
00:49:58.000Would you be still, number one, are you done with the case after you hand it to the AUSA? And number two, are you looking at these new civil filings to get additional leads as you either try to go for additional indictments or bolster the case for the AUSA? That's a great question.
00:50:15.000So this is a double-edged problem, right?
00:50:19.000So on one hand, these people are coming with civil cases, which means that they have ax to grind, they know Diddy personally, they can be a good witness, and they probably have some intimate knowledge that can help you on your criminal case.
00:50:32.000The fact that they're launching a civil case and trying to get money and recuperate from damages, etc., also hurts their credibility to a degree.
00:50:39.000Because what the defense is going to say is, yo, well, these people, of course, are going to tell you what you want to hear and cooperate because they want to get money.
00:50:47.000They have an axe to grind with this individual.
00:50:52.000These people went ahead and they consensually had sex with him and now they want to come back and jump on the fucking bandwagon and make some money because everyone else is suing this guy.
00:50:59.000So, yes, you are getting individuals that are kind of coming forward and allows the feds to kind of go identify them and talk to them.
00:51:06.000But them launching a civil suit does hurt their credibility a little bit.
00:51:11.000So it's a double-edged sword in that regard, I would say.
00:51:19.000Hey, just send me a text the next time, you know, because I'm going to be doing this for the rest of the day, but, like, you know, tomorrow or whatever, I'd love to coordinate that we at least get, like, an hour or two in.
00:51:29.000By the way, if this ever goes to trial, I do have a really, I think, decent plan of how this could be covered.