Fresh & Fit - Donald Trump VS Kamala Harris - 2024 Presidential Debate

00:16:47.000 And we are live.

00:16:48.000 What's up, guys?

00:16:49.000 Welcome to the Freshman Podcast.

00:16:50.000 Man, I got something special for you guys.

00:16:51.000 We're going to be covering the debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

00:16:54.000 I got Sheikh Suleiman in here, a great debater.

00:16:55.000 We're going to analyze this thing.

00:16:57.000 Let's get into it, guys.

00:16:58.000 Let's go!

00:17:48.000 And we are back.

00:17:49.000 What's up, guys?

00:17:49.000 Welcome to the Frustrated Podcast, man.

00:17:51.000 It is Tuesday.

00:17:52.000 We don't normally film on Tuesdays, but obviously today is a very special episode.

00:17:55.000 We're going to be covering the debate, guys, between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

00:17:59.000 I'm actually really excited for this one.

00:18:01.000 I brought some reinforcements.

00:18:02.000 I got Suleiman in the house with me.

00:18:04.000 If you guys don't know, Huge on Twitter, one of the biggest accounts.

00:18:08.000 Talks about a lot of political stuff.

00:18:10.000 He's out there in the UK, but obviously he's been paying very close attention to the debate.

00:18:14.000 Suleiman, you want to introduce yourself to the people real quick?

00:18:16.000 Yeah, thanks for having me on.

00:18:18.000 Yeah, my name is Suleiman.

00:18:19.000 I am very much ingrained in US politics as well as global geopolitics.

00:18:23.000 I think it's imperative and important to know exactly what's happening in the US for the entire world.

00:18:32.000 As an example, I always say this, like people are like, why are you bothered about US politics?

00:18:36.000 The reason is because US politics impacts the whole world, not just from a foreign policy perspective, but also from an internal policy perspective.

00:18:44.000 US decides to do COVID lockdowns.

00:18:47.000 UK follows suit.

00:18:49.000 US decides to not trade with certain people.

00:18:52.000 UK follows suit.

00:18:53.000 And so intrinsically, both internally, the UK economics is reliant on America, as is externally foreign policy.

00:18:59.000 So anyone outside of America who's not bothered about US policy is literally, as you would say, like a retard because it's imperative to know. 0.98

00:19:07.000 Yeah, and to be honest with you, I've said this before, I'll say it again.

00:19:11.000 The number one reason for me why I'm voting and why I think you need to vote, especially on this election if you're someone that's impartial or you don't care, is because of foreign policy.

00:19:20.000 I think foreign policy is the one thing that you can't control, right?

00:19:26.000 For example, if inflation is through the roof and things are expensive, etc., you can always make more money and kind of overcome that, right?

00:19:34.000 Whoever's in office isn't going to dictate the quality of your life.

00:19:36.000 You dictate the quality of your life.

00:19:38.000 But us getting into foreign conflicts or sticking our nose in certain areas or putting ourselves in a bad position in a foreign way, that's dictated by the government.

00:19:46.000 You can't really control that as a private citizen. 0.97

00:19:48.000 So you definitely need to put people in office that are going to be anti-war, not warmongers, not war hawks, whatever it may be, these neocon fucks. 0.94

00:19:54.000 So, I think that's one of the most important things. 0.54

00:19:57.000 And obviously, you pay attention from that perspective too, because like you just explained, American foreign policy dictates how the rest of the world works.

00:20:04.000 Because we're so involved.

00:20:05.000 We like to stick our nose in everything, which I don't think we should be doing, but we do.

00:20:08.000 So, it would make sense that other people pay attention to our politics as well.

00:20:12.000 And right now, guys, we're live on all the platforms on Rumble, YouTube, Twitch, etc.

00:20:17.000 As you guys know, we're going to be doing more of our streaming on Twitch.

00:20:20.000 So we'll probably cut off at some point the YouTube stream and move you guys on over to Twitch or Rumble.

00:20:26.000 But yeah, we got a good one today.

00:20:29.000 What else?

00:20:29.000 Quick announcements, rumble.com slash freshfit.

00:20:31.000 As you guys know, that's the website.

00:20:32.000 Make sure to check us out over there.

00:20:34.000 Also, castclub.tv.

00:20:35.000 Got a whole community over there, guys, where we got 19 different chapters in 19 different cities where you can join in and we have group chats where you guys can network and meet these people.

00:20:44.000 And it's just a good time, man.

00:20:46.000 So, what else?

00:20:49.000 I can hear something.

00:20:51.000 Oh, I think that also they can hear me on your thing.

00:20:59.000 Who's mic?

00:21:01.000 Oh, it's Suleiman's mic?

00:21:02.000 Yeah, I think Suleiman's.

00:21:04.000 Yeah, he has a mute one of the times.

00:21:05.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:06.000 Which one shall I mute?

00:21:08.000 Yeah, I think they can hear me back on your thing a little bit.

00:21:10.000 Yeah, okay.

00:21:11.000 I'll mute this one in the meantime.

00:21:13.000 I think Twitter Live can't hear it easy as well, but I'll start in a second.

00:21:16.000 But yeah, anyway, look, I think this stream is extremely important.

00:21:20.000 I think it's one of the few streams where you've got people with different views.

00:21:23.000 I know you're all in with Trump, Myron, or significantly in for him.

00:21:27.000 I'm of the position that one shouldn't vote for him at all.

00:21:30.000 And so I think it's going to be an interesting dynamic because I think we have different perspectives on a few things, right?

00:21:34.000 Oh, for Trump?

00:21:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:36.000 We don't have anywhere else.

00:21:37.000 On Rumble and Rumble, if you look at everyone, just pro-MAGA. If you look at Twitter, generally speaking, everyone's got one position.

00:21:43.000 So I think this will probably be one of the few streams where you get two different perspectives.

00:21:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:49.000 Very true.

00:21:50.000 I mean, with Trump, it's, you know, obviously, I don't like the strong support of a certain nation state, if you know what I'm saying.

00:21:57.000 But I think that's with any American politician.

00:21:59.000 That's just how it is.

00:22:00.000 It's just like a non-negotiable.

00:22:03.000 Okay, so what we'll do is...

00:22:04.000 Noble, you want to go ahead and...

00:22:06.000 Yeah, we were going to start and just watch their pre-show.

00:22:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:10.000 So we're going to watch one of the pre-shows and react to that, guys.

00:22:12.000 The debate's going to start here in about 10 minutes or so.

00:22:14.000 So we'll kind of give you guys...

00:22:17.000 We'll be reacting to some of the breakdown already that they're talking about.

00:22:21.000 I think we're either on Fox or ABC or NBC? We'll go with ABC because they're the ones hosting the debate.

00:22:26.000 ABC is the ones hosting it, right?

00:22:27.000 Okay, yeah, we can go over there and see what they got to say.

00:22:30.000 And just for those that are unaware, ABC guys, super left, pretty liberal media, unlike Fox News, etc.

00:22:39.000 So, I would argue that Kamala Harris has the home field advantage in this situation. 1.00

00:22:45.000 So, and the way that they're doing debate, from what I understand, they're going to have, obviously, time rounds.

00:22:50.000 When one person is speaking, the other person can't, their mic is muted, so you won't be able to hear them when they interrupt.

00:22:55.000 And there's no crowd, which is good.

00:22:58.000 So this is going to be a situation where I truly think that this is probably going to be the better debaters going to come out on top because you're not going to be influenced by the crowd or people butting in and making side comments here or there.

00:23:08.000 So I think this actually benefits Trump more.

00:23:11.000 Because one of the criticisms of Trump is that, you know, he has a bad habit of interrupting, if I'm not mistaken.

00:23:16.000 They counted up one time when he debated Biden, he interrupted him like 51 times or something like that.

00:23:21.000 So I think this format will actually benefit him.

00:23:24.000 What are your thoughts, Suleiman?

00:23:26.000 Yeah, I mean, I agree.

00:23:27.000 Like, I think any type of interruption benefits Trump.

00:23:30.000 But the thing is, it's on ABC. And obviously, ABC is very much Democrat.

00:23:43.000 We're good to go.

00:23:55.000 Remember, this is from somebody who thinks you shouldn't vote for Trump.

00:23:59.000 But Trump is showing that, look, I'm willing to go any place, any time, anywhere to debate you.

00:24:05.000 And this is a prime example where they're basically debating on ABC, a Democrat-friendly channel, as opposed to Fox.

00:24:12.000 And Kamala, as far as I know, has up to now refused to debate on Fox.

00:24:16.000 Yeah, and Kamala has also refused to go on adversarial news stations as well for an interview. 1.00

00:24:23.000 She did, I think it was CNN, which, you know, that was a very soft-pitched interview, and she did it with Tim Waltz right there beside her.

00:24:30.000 So, you know, she's... 0.97

00:24:31.000 Here's the thing, and I'll say this kind of like to give everyone kind of a quick little perspective on what's going on.

00:24:37.000 So...

00:24:38.000 Let's go back to July 13th, right?

00:24:43.000 Trump nearly gets killed, right?

00:24:46.000 Huge amount of momentum, right, that Trump's way after he almost got assassinated.

00:24:50.000 He goes to the RNC, does a speech, has crazy momentum.

00:24:53.000 Everyone's like, man, this guy's gonna win in a landslide.

00:24:55.000 I saw even leftist channels saying, yo, Trump's gonna win this because he took the iconic picture with his fist in the air, right?

00:25:01.000 Defying an assassination attempt.

00:25:04.000 Fast forward a little bit past that, Biden officially steps down and says he's not going to be running for her in the election anymore.

00:25:10.000 So obviously that puts Kamala into position to run. 1.00

00:25:14.000 She gets all the Democrats rally behind her, between the Obamas, the Clintons, everybody gets behind her, right?

00:25:20.000 And she gets this surge.

00:25:21.000 She starts doing rallies, she starts putting out press releases, etc.

00:25:25.000 And one thing that Kamala's camp did very well, which I will give her credit for, is They didn't put her on adversarial networks to do interviews.

00:25:34.000 She wouldn't do press conferences.

00:25:36.000 She doesn't answer questions.

00:25:37.000 She just does her rallies. 0.97

00:25:38.000 Keeps it high energy.

00:25:40.000 Gets celebrities to show up to her rallies.

00:25:44.000 Basically, she does a fantastic job of marketing. 0.99

00:25:46.000 Let's just call it what it is.

00:25:48.000 She did a fantastic job of marketing. 0.99

00:25:49.000 Then the DNC goes...

00:25:51.000 They stick on topics that they know that they're going to win the public on.

00:25:54.000 The first day was pretty much an entire day on abortion and women's reproductive rights.

00:25:59.000 They're demonizing the right for Project 2025, etc., trying to call them radicals.

00:26:03.000 And this is kind of where we are now.

00:26:07.000 She's just been really good at avoiding interviews, press conferences, going on adversarial channels.

00:26:12.000 We haven't really seen her.

00:26:15.000 Have her feet to the fire yet. 0.99

00:26:16.000 The CNN interview she did about a week or two ago was a softball fucking interview. 0.99

00:26:21.000 They didn't press her on anything. 0.99

00:26:22.000 It was very easy.

00:26:24.000 She did it with her Vice President Waltz who stepped in anytime she felt as though a little uncomfortable.

00:26:31.000 They asked her a question about Trump claiming attacking her blackness and she said next question and they didn't press her on that.

00:26:37.000 So she's really been playing the campaign on easy mode in my opinion.

00:26:41.000 What are your thoughts Suleiman?

00:26:42.000 I mean, I agree with you.

00:26:44.000 But I think she's made some mistakes as well.

00:26:47.000 And I think Trump's made some mistakes.

00:26:48.000 Because if you look at it, what's happened is, you basically, as you said, Kamala comes in, they have a huge surge in the polls, a huge surge in everything.

00:26:56.000 And that's before Trump has the assassination attempt.

00:26:59.000 He tells his team not to focus on the assassination attempt.

00:27:02.000 They kind of redirect.

00:27:04.000 He goes with this whole idea of we're going to bring America together.

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:07.000 And it's a very failed campaign directive.

00:27:11.000 And so you see his numbers dwindle and you see Kamala's explode, both in terms of her coming on, both in terms of, as you said, the way her campaign was run.

00:27:20.000 She was really doing well on TikTok and various other mediums with these little TikTok shots.

00:27:25.000 And then what happened was she made mistakes as well because you're right that she tried to stay away from the media, but that only works to a point. 0.62

00:27:33.000 And you can see now that's having a negative impact on the polls.

00:27:36.000 In a number of the polls, Trump is ahead.

00:27:38.000 Now, I don't accept polymarket because we know it's like Peter Thiel control, but there's other ones that are still showing Trump ahead, although there is one showing her ahead.

00:27:45.000 I think this debate is monumental because if she manages to do well on this debate or do better than Trump, It's going to monumentally impact the election.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, and I agree with you that you can only run from not doing adversarial interviews for so long, right?

00:28:03.000 She was able to kind of coast on it for a while, but now the debate has kind of come and she's going to have to put her feet to the fire.

00:28:09.000 So it's going to be interesting.

00:28:10.000 So on one end, it's good for her because no one really knows what her game plan is because we haven't seen her speak to adversarial media.

00:28:17.000 However, it could also be bad because she's not trained up for pushback. 1.00

00:28:23.000 So, it could go either way.

00:28:24.000 I agree with you that, you know, I literally said this when I was on the Hodgson's podcast.

00:28:28.000 I said, because they asked me, hey, if they were to have the election now, who do you think would win?

00:28:32.000 And at that point, I said, dude, I think she could win.

00:28:35.000 And I would argue, even right now, as me and you were speaking to Suleiman, it would, she...

00:28:39.000 If we've had the election right now, this very minute, there's a good chance she could win, right?

00:28:43.000 We're neck and neck right now in this situation.

00:28:44.000 I think this debate is going to be the tiebreaker that's going to dictate everything because the problem with the Trump campaign is they've alienated the very core group of people that supported them the hardest back in 2016.

00:28:56.000 He's taken far less conservative stances on abortion, marijuana usage, Migration is a big one that has people angry.

00:29:04.000 He made the comment about, you know, hey, we need to staple green cards to degrees, right?

00:29:09.000 This is something that he disavowed Project 2025.

00:29:13.000 Obviously, we've got the Graper War going on right now because, you know, they feel as though Trump is kind of Fell back on a lot of his original campaigning stances that he had in 2016 that put him in office.

00:29:23.000 I mean, I kind of see their perspective.

00:29:26.000 I mean, he's essentially become the politician he ran against in 2016 when he came in originally and he said, we're going to drain the swamp, we're going to get rid of the deep state, we're going to make America great again, etc.

00:29:38.000 People really believed in that.

00:29:39.000 And now, he sounds like a politician, right?

00:29:42.000 Crazy enough, he actually sounds like a real politician nowadays, more polished, etc.

00:29:46.000 But that's precisely what the people don't want because they wanted that raw, crass Donald Trump, you know, from 2016.

00:29:54.000 What are your thoughts?

00:29:54.000 You've just made a very, very strong argument of why people should not vote for Trump, right?

00:30:00.000 Because literally, you've got a scenario where if you, based on everything you've said, and I completely agree with what you said, Why would you vote for Trump?

00:30:09.000 Now, if you make the argument a lesser of two evils, he's going to be slightly better.

00:30:14.000 The problem with that is, is you're accepting that this is what American politics is going to be forever.

00:30:20.000 And you're basically giving up your sovereignty.

00:30:23.000 You're giving up...

00:30:24.000 This is what your podcast is about, isn't it?

00:30:25.000 Being an alpha male, having your own autonomy, having your own decision making.

00:30:30.000 You're literally saying, I'm willing to be basically a slave to...

00:30:34.000 To the establishment because Trump had to sell out and we still voted for him.

00:30:39.000 I think that's why it's important that actually you withhold your vote and say, and you impact the election to say that actually you alienated the GOP, the Republicans, the Conservatives and all of the men of the Myers that you said.

00:30:49.000 And that is not going to work.

00:30:51.000 You will lose the election if you do it.

00:30:53.000 And if you do that, you will then get a candidate In the next election, who will stand for the people?

00:30:59.000 Who will stand for all of those rights?

00:31:00.000 You said, if you are willing to sell all of that out right now in this election, you're basically going to have this forever.

00:31:07.000 Give up conservatism.

00:31:08.000 It's going to be a literal liberal.

00:31:10.000 The GOP and the Democrats are going to be essentially liberals.

00:31:13.000 And it's going to be highly problematic.

00:31:16.000 It'll be a foreign nation that controls the US. Many of the issues that we are... 0.99

00:31:21.000 I believe that intrinsically problematic for the US is going to continue to be there forever.

00:31:26.000 So I am a big...

00:31:27.000 I think you give...

00:31:28.000 To add to yours, I wasn't trying to...

00:31:30.000 No, no, no, it's cool.

00:31:31.000 But just to use what you said and say that, look, this is important, that why I think people shouldn't vote for Trump.

00:31:36.000 Yeah, and I definitely see your perspective.

00:31:39.000 If you're a Trump supporter, well, he's kind of went back on a lot of the things that he campaigned on in 2016.

00:31:44.000 My biggest voting points for him are obviously the foreign policy.

00:31:49.000 I think that he's going to keep us out of war versus Kamala if we go in.

00:31:52.000 I mean, who was it that just recently endorsed her?

00:31:54.000 Cheney? 1.00

00:31:55.000 Dick Cheney, who's a fucking neocon war hawk, warmonger. 0.99

00:32:00.000 The guy was one of the architects for the Iraqi war in 2003. 0.99

00:32:04.000 So I think bringing Kamala in is going to create a lot of problems for us from a foreign... 1.00

00:32:12.000 And then on top of that, Russia's kind of spiking up their attack on Ukraine.

00:32:16.000 So I think if anything right now, we need to be focusing on bringing someone in that's going to be anti-war and de-escalating the situations going on in Israel and de-escalating the situations going on in Ukraine.

00:32:27.000 I think Kamala coming in would only embolden our enemies to take stronger actions in their conflicts.

00:32:34.000 I mean, Putin clearly doesn't respect Kamala Harris.

00:32:37.000 I think he trolled when he was endorsing her.

00:32:39.000 The other day.

00:32:41.000 Let's not forget that the current situation in Israel and the current situation in Ukraine was done under the Biden administration.

00:32:51.000 Which Kamala is number two in command of.

00:32:54.000 It's just...

00:32:57.000 So with that, I just feel like we've got no evidence that Trump's going to be better based on his words, and we can only rely on his words.

00:33:03.000 I know we have enough time, but based on his words, it seems to suggest that he's going to be worse.

00:33:07.000 Yeah, I mean, we'll see.

00:33:08.000 I still think he's a far better candidate than her.

00:33:11.000 But yeah, it looks like we're about to start debate here in a little bit.

00:33:16.000 Let's go ahead.

00:33:24.000 A historic race for president upended just weeks ago.

00:33:27.000 President Biden withdrawing after his last debate.

00:33:30.000 Donald Trump now up against a new opponent.

00:33:32.000 The candidates separated by the smallest of margins, essentially tied in the polls nationally and in the key battlegrounds, including right here in Pennsylvania, all still very much in play.

00:33:42.000 The ABC News presidential debate starts right now.

00:33:46.000 This is an ABC News special.

00:33:48.000 The most consequential moment of this campaign.

00:33:51.000 Kamala Harris.

00:33:52.000 Together, we will chart a new way forward!

00:33:56.000 Donald Trump.

00:33:59.000 Trump needs to win this campaign.

00:34:01.000 Sorry, he needs to win this debate.

00:34:03.000 This is literally going to make or break the race for Trump because Kamala's been edging him. 1.00

00:34:08.000 This is a very tight race and we're going to need to show that she's incompetent. 1.00

00:34:11.000 I think that's what Trump's strategy needs to be, needs to show that she's incompetent, her policies don't work, she's a copycat, and she's faking it. 0.78

00:34:18.000 So let's go back to it.

00:34:19.000 I mean, she's a former prosecutor.

00:34:21.000 And around the world.

00:34:22.000 It's his to lose.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:34:25.000 Away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president.

00:34:28.000 And I'm Lindsay Davis.

00:34:30.000 Tonight's meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with Election Day now less than two months away.

00:34:36.000 For Vice President Kamala Harris, this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st.

00:34:42.000 Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June.

00:34:46.000 Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic.

00:34:49.000 And that brings us to the rules of tonight's debate.

00:34:51.000 90 minutes with two commercial breaks.

00:34:53.000 No topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns.

00:34:56.000 The candidates will have two minutes to answer questions, and this is the clock.

00:35:00.000 That's what they'll be seeing.

00:35:01.000 Two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses.

00:35:05.000 Their microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak.

00:35:08.000 No pre-written notes allowed.

00:35:10.000 There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Center.

00:35:14.000 This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met.

00:35:18.000 President Trump won the coin toss.

00:35:20.000 He chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening.

00:35:23.000 Vice President Harris selected the podium to the right.

00:35:25.000 So let's now welcome the candidates to the stage.

00:35:27.000 Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump.

00:35:32.000 So the mic of helps Kamala.

00:35:38.000 Kamala Harris, have a good debate.

00:35:40.000 Thank you.

00:35:43.000 Welcome to you both.

00:35:44.000 Thank you so much.

00:36:13.000 So, I was raised as a middle class kid.

00:36:18.000 And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.

00:36:25.000 I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people.

00:36:31.000 And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy.

00:36:37.000 Because here's the thing.

00:36:38.000 We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing.

00:36:42.000 And the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people.

00:36:45.000 We know that young families need support.

00:36:49.000 To raise their children and I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time, so that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat,

00:37:04.000 buy clothes for their children.

00:37:07.000 My passion, one of them, is small businesses.

00:37:10.000 I was actually, my mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us. 0.94

00:37:15.000 We call her our second mother.

00:37:16.000 She was a small business owner.

00:37:17.000 I love our small businesses.

00:37:19.000 My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy.

00:37:29.000 My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before.

00:37:34.000 Which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit.

00:37:42.000 My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month.

00:37:53.000 Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

00:38:13.000 President Trump, I'll give you two minutes.

00:38:14.000 First of all, I have no sales tax.

00:38:16.000 That's an incorrect statement.

00:38:18.000 She knows that.

00:38:19.000 We're doing tariffs on other countries.

00:38:21.000 Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we've done for the world.

00:38:28.000 The tariff will be substantial in some cases.

00:38:31.000 I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China.

00:38:34.000 In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money they can't.

00:38:37.000 It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do.

00:38:41.000 They're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places.

00:38:44.000 They've left the tariffs on.

00:38:45.000 When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation.

00:38:49.000 Look, we've had a Terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster, it breaks up countries.

00:38:56.000 We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before.

00:39:00.000 Probably the worst in our nation's history.

00:39:02.000 We were at 21%, but that's being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70, and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago.

00:39:11.000 This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class.

00:39:15.000 On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from Prisons and jails from mental institutions and insane asylums.

00:39:24.000 And they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions. 0.57

00:39:32.000 Unions are going to be affected very soon.

00:39:34.000 And you see what's happening.

00:39:35.000 You see what's happening with towns throughout the United States.

00:39:38.000 You look at Springfield, Ohio.

00:39:40.000 You look at Aurora in Colorado.

00:39:43.000 They are taking over the towns.

00:39:45.000 They're taking over buildings.

00:39:46.000 They're going in violently.

00:39:48.000 These are the people that she and Biden let into our country.

00:39:53.000 And they're destroying our country.

00:39:54.000 They're dangerous.

00:39:56.000 They're at the highest level of criminality.

00:39:58.000 And we have to get them out.

00:40:00.000 We have to get them out fast.

00:40:01.000 I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country.

00:40:05.000 I'll do it again and even better.

00:40:07.000 We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate, but I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.

00:40:14.000 Well, I would love to.

00:40:16.000 Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us.

00:40:19.000 Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.

00:40:25.000 Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century.

00:40:31.000 Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.

00:40:39.000 And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess.

00:40:43.000 What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people.

00:40:49.000 But I'm going to tell you all, on this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook.

00:40:55.000 A bunch of lies, grievances, and name calling.

00:40:59.000 What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to again.

00:41:10.000 I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us.

00:41:21.000 And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.

00:41:24.000 President Trump will give you a minute here to respond.

00:41:26.000 Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025.

00:41:33.000 That's out there.

00:41:34.000 I haven't read it.

00:41:35.000 I don't want to read it purposely.

00:41:36.000 I'm not going to read it.

00:41:37.000 This was a group of people that got together.

00:41:39.000 They came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference.

00:41:44.000 I have nothing to do.

00:41:45.000 Everybody knows I'm an open book.

00:41:46.000 Everybody knows what I'm going to do.

00:41:47.000 Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before.

00:41:52.000 We had the greatest economy.

00:41:54.000 We got hit with a pandemic.

00:41:55.000 And the pandemic was not since 1917, where 100 million people died.

00:42:00.000 Has there been anything like it?

00:42:02.000 We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic.

00:42:04.000 We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in.

00:42:12.000 Nobody's ever seen anything like it.

00:42:14.000 We made ventilators for the entire world.

00:42:17.000 We got gowns.

00:42:18.000 We got masks.

00:42:19.000 We did things that nobody thought possible.

00:42:21.000 And people give me credit for rebuilding the military.

00:42:23.000 They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic.

00:42:28.000 But the only jobs they got were bounce-back jobs.

00:42:31.000 These were jobs bounce-back.

00:42:33.000 And it bounced back, and it went to their benefit.

00:42:35.000 But I was the one that created them.

00:42:37.000 They know it, and so does everybody else.

00:42:39.000 Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond.

00:42:43.000 Donald Trump has no plan for you.

00:42:46.000 And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people.

00:42:51.000 I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America.

00:43:03.000 What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse, mine would strengthen the economy.

00:43:11.000 What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit.

00:43:18.000 Sixteen Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession.

00:43:28.000 You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues.

00:43:32.000 And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.

00:43:45.000 I went to the Wharton School of Finance and many of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is a brilliant plan.

00:43:52.000 It's a great plan.

00:43:53.000 It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth, our value as a country.

00:43:57.000 It's going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create a lot of Good, solid money for our country.

00:44:06.000 And just to finish off, she doesn't have a plan.

00:44:09.000 She copied Biden's plan, and it's like four sentences, like run, spot, run.

00:44:16.000 Four sentences that are just, oh, we'll try and lower taxes.

00:44:20.000 She doesn't have a plan. 0.63

00:44:21.000 Take a look at her plan.

00:44:22.000 She doesn't have a plan. 0.63

00:44:24.000 Mr.

00:44:24.000 President, I do want to drill down on something you both brought up.

00:44:27.000 The Vice President brought up your tariffs.

00:44:29.000 You responded, and let's drill down on this.

00:44:31.000 Because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax. 0.67

00:44:35.000 Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here, on foreign imports across the board.

00:44:39.000 You recently said that you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to 20 percent on goods coming into this country.

00:44:45.000 As you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer.

00:44:51.000 Vice President Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year.

00:45:00.000 Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs?

00:45:03.000 They're not going to have higher prices.

00:45:05.000 What's going to have and who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years.

00:45:11.000 I charge.

00:45:12.000 I was the only president ever.

00:45:14.000 China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars, and so were other countries.

00:45:19.000 And, you know, if she doesn't like them, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs. 1.00

00:45:23.000 But those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their administration.

00:45:28.000 We are going to take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:45:33.000 I had no inflation, virtually no inflation.

00:45:36.000 They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time.

00:45:42.000 People can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else.

00:45:46.000 The people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done.

00:45:51.000 They've destroyed the economy.

00:45:53.000 And all you have to do is look at a poll.

00:45:55.000 The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90 percent that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible.

00:46:03.000 Vice President Harris, I do want to ask for your response.

00:46:05.000 And you heard what the president said there, because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place.

00:46:10.000 So how do you respond?

00:46:12.000 Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America.

00:46:20.000 He invited trade wars.

00:46:22.000 You want to talk about his deal with China?

00:46:25.000 What he ended up doing is, under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China.

00:46:32.000 To help them improve and modernize their military, basically sold us out, when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century, which means focusing on the details of what that requires,

00:46:50.000 focusing on relationships with our allies, focusing on investing in American-based technology so that we win the race on AI, on quantum computing.

00:47:00.000 Focusing on what we need to do to support America's workforce so that we don't end up having on the short end of the stick in terms of workers' rights.

00:47:11.000 But what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this, with COVID, is he actually thanked President Xi.

00:47:18.000 For what he did during COVID. Look at his tweet.

00:47:21.000 Thank you, President Xi!

00:47:24.000 When we know that Xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID. President Trump will let you respond.

00:47:33.000 First of all, they bought their chips from Taiwan.

00:47:36.000 We hardly make chips anymore because of philosophies like they have and policies like they have.

00:47:43.000 I don't say her because she has no policy.

00:47:45.000 Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.

00:47:50.000 She's going to my philosophy now.

00:47:51.000 In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat.

00:47:53.000 She's gone to my philosophy.

00:47:55.000 But...

00:47:56.000 If she ever got elected, she'd change it.

00:47:58.000 And it will be the end of our country.

00:48:01.000 She's a Marxist.

00:48:02.000 Everybody knows she's a Marxist.

00:48:03.000 Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well.

00:48:08.000 But when you look at what she's done to our country And when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say.

00:48:20.000 And I think it's a lot higher than the 21.

00:48:23.000 That's bigger than New York State pouring in.

00:48:25.000 And just look at what they're doing to our country. 0.99

00:48:28.000 They're criminals. 0.99

00:48:29.000 Many of these people coming in are criminals. 0.98

00:48:31.000 And that's bad for our economy, too.

00:48:33.000 You know, you mentioned before we'll talk about immigration later.

00:48:36.000 Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy. 1.00

00:48:40.000 They have and she has destroyed our country with policy that's insane. 1.00

00:48:46.000 Almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country.

00:48:50.000 President Trump, thank you.

00:48:52.000 I want to turn to the issue of abortion.

00:48:54.000 President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe v.

00:48:57.000 Wade last year.

00:48:58.000 You said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history.

00:49:03.000 Then last month, you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights.

00:49:08.000 In your home state of Florida, you surprised many with regard to your six-week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short.

00:49:16.000 And you said, quote, I'm going to be voting that we need More than six weeks.

00:49:20.000 But then, the very next day, you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six-week ban.

00:49:25.000 Vice President Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion because you've changed your position so many times.

00:49:33.000 Therefore, why should they trust you?

00:49:35.000 Well, the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know, the vote is, they have abortion in the ninth month.

00:49:43.000 They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor who's doing an excellent job, but the governor before.

00:49:52.000 He said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby.

00:49:56.000 In other words, we'll execute the baby.

00:49:58.000 And that's why I did that, because that predominates. 0.99

00:50:01.000 Because they're radical.

00:50:02.000 The Democrats are radical in that.

00:50:04.000 And her vice presidential pick, which I think was a horrible pick, by the way, for our country, because he is really out of it.

00:50:12.000 But her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine.

00:50:17.000 He also says execution after birth.

00:50:20.000 It's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born, is okay.

00:50:25.000 And that's not okay with me, hence the vote.

00:50:27.000 But what I did is something for...

00:50:30.000 Fifty-two years they've been trying to get Roe v.

00:50:33.000 Wade into the states.

00:50:35.000 And through the genius and heart and strength of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that.

00:50:45.000 Now, I believe in the exceptions for rape incest and life of the mother. 0.50

00:50:49.000 I believe strongly in it.

00:50:50.000 Ronald Reagan did also.

00:50:52.000 Eighty-five percent of Republicans do exceptions.

00:50:55.000 Very important.

00:50:56.000 But we were able to get it, and now states are voting on it.

00:51:00.000 And for the first time, you're going to see, look, this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years.

00:51:07.000 Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote.

00:51:17.000 And that's what happened.

00:51:18.000 Now, Ohio?

00:51:21.000 The vote was somewhat liberal.

00:51:22.000 Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal.

00:51:25.000 Much more liberal than people would have thought.

00:51:27.000 But each individual state is voting.

00:51:30.000 It's the vote of the people now.

00:51:31.000 It's not tied up in the federal government.

00:51:33.000 I did a great service in doing it.

00:51:35.000 It took courage to do it.

00:51:36.000 And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it.

00:51:39.000 And I give tremendous credit to those six justices.

00:51:42.000 There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born.

00:51:47.000 Madam Vice President, I want to get your response to President Trump.

00:51:50.000 Well, as I said, you're going to hear a bunch of lies, and that's not actually a surprising fact.

00:51:55.000 Let's understand how we got here.

00:51:57.000 Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v.

00:52:05.000 Wade.

00:52:06.000 And they did exactly as he intended.

00:52:09.000 And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care.

00:52:19.000 In one state, it provides prison for life.

00:52:23.000 Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means.

00:52:29.000 A survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next.

00:52:37.000 That is immoral.

00:52:39.000 And one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree.

00:52:46.000 The government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. 0.63

00:52:52.000 I have talked with women around our country.

00:52:56.000 You want to talk about this is what people wanted?

00:52:59.000 Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the healthcare providers are afraid they might go to jail, and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot? 0.90

00:53:13.000 She didn't want that? 0.59

00:53:14.000 Her husband didn't want that?

00:53:16.000 A 12- or 13-year-old survivor of incest?

00:53:20.000 Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term?

00:53:23.000 They don't want that.

00:53:25.000 And I pledge to you, when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v.

00:53:32.000 Wade as President of the United States, I will proudly sign it into law.

00:53:38.000 But understand, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected, he will sign a national abortion ban.

00:53:44.000 Understand, in his Project 2025, there would be a national abortion, a monitor, that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.

00:53:56.000 That certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, should not be made by the government.

00:54:04.000 Thank you, Vice President Harris.

00:54:06.000 Well, there she goes again.

00:54:07.000 It's a lie.

00:54:08.000 I'm not signing a ban, and there's no reason to sign a ban, because we've gotten whatever Everybody wanted.

00:54:14.000 Democrats, Republicans, and everybody else, and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states.

00:54:21.000 And the states are voting.

00:54:23.000 And it may take a little time, but for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart.

00:54:30.000 And they've wanted it back in the states.

00:54:32.000 And I did something that nobody thought was possible.

00:54:35.000 The states are now voting.

00:54:37.000 What she says is an absolute lie.

00:54:40.000 And as far as the abortion ban, no, I'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states.

00:54:49.000 Would you veto a national abortion ban if it came to your desk?

00:54:52.000 Well, I won't have to because, again, two things.

00:54:54.000 Number one, she said she'll go back to Congress. 0.95

00:54:56.000 She'll never get the vote.

00:54:57.000 It's impossible for her to get the vote, especially now with the 50-50 and essentially 50-50 in both Senate and the House. 1.00

00:55:05.000 She's not going to get the vote.

00:55:06.000 She can't get the vote.

00:55:07.000 She won't even come close to it.

00:55:08.000 So it's just talk.

00:55:09.000 You know what it reminds me of when they said they're going to get student loans terminated, and it ended up being a total catastrophe.

00:55:16.000 The student loans, and then her, I think probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he spends all his time on the beach.

00:55:23.000 But look, her boss went out and said, we'll do it again.

00:55:26.000 We'll do it a different way.

00:55:28.000 And he went out, got rejected again by the Supreme Court.

00:55:31.000 So all these students got rejected.

00:55:37.000 We're good to go.

00:55:50.000 But if I could just get a yes or no, because you're running me, J.D. Vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your desk.

00:55:56.000 Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D., in all fairness.

00:55:59.000 J.D., and I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't.

00:56:06.000 Look, We don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it.

00:56:10.000 Just like she couldn't get student loans, they couldn't get student loans.

00:56:13.000 They didn't even come close to getting student loans.

00:56:15.000 They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans.

00:56:19.000 They can never get this approved.

00:56:21.000 So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress.

00:56:23.000 So wonderful, let's go to Congress, do it.

00:56:25.000 But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government.

00:56:30.000 And we did something that everybody said couldn't be done.

00:56:32.000 And now you have a vote of the people on abortion.

00:56:36.000 Vice President Harris, I want to give you your time to respond, but I do want to ask, would you support any restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion?

00:56:43.000 I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v. 0.92

00:56:46.000 Wade.

00:56:47.000 And as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America...

00:56:52.000 Is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion. 0.97

00:56:59.000 That is not happening.

00:56:59.000 It's insulting to the women of America.

00:57:02.000 And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans.

00:57:06.000 Couples who pray and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments.

00:57:15.000 What is happening in our country?

00:57:17.000 Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs, who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the healthcare she needs. 0.94

00:57:35.000 Barely can afford to do it, and what you are putting her through is unconscionable.

00:57:42.000 And the people of America have not, the majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot, in red and blue states both, the people of America have voted for freedom.

00:57:59.000 Excuse me, I have to respond.

00:58:01.000 Another lie.

00:58:02.000 It's another lie.

00:58:03.000 I have been a leader on IVF, which is fertilization.

00:58:07.000 The IVF, I have been a leader.

00:58:09.000 In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts...

00:58:15.000 I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in.

00:58:20.000 I've been a leader on it.

00:58:22.000 They know that and everybody else knows it.

00:58:24.000 I have been a leader on fertilization, IVF. And the other thing, they, you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month?

00:58:36.000 Come on.

00:58:36.000 Okay, would you do that?

00:58:39.000 Why don't you ask her that question?

00:58:40.000 That's the problem.

00:58:42.000 Because under Roe v.

00:58:43.000 Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth. 0.99

00:58:50.000 Just look at the governor, former governor of Virginia.

00:58:53.000 The governor of Virginia said we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby.

00:58:59.000 President Trump, thank you.

00:59:00.000 We're going to turn now to immigration and border security.

00:59:02.000 We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board in this country.

00:59:07.000 Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America.

00:59:13.000 We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration.

00:59:18.000 This past June, President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions.

00:59:21.000 We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly.

00:59:25.000 But my question to you tonight is, why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act?

00:59:30.000 And would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this?

00:59:34.000 So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings.

00:59:43.000 And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill which I supported.

00:59:54.000 And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job. 0.92

01:00:04.000 It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States.

01:00:10.000 I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country.

01:00:16.000 That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs, and human beings.

01:00:25.000 But you know what happened to that bill?

01:00:27.000 Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress, and said, kill the bill.

01:00:32.000 And you know why?

01:00:33.000 Because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.

01:00:39.000 And understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand.

01:00:52.000 But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.

01:00:58.000 And I'll tell you something, he's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it's not the subject that is being raised.

01:01:03.000 And I'm going to actually do something really unusual, and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies, because it's a really interesting thing to watch.

01:01:12.000 You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter.

01:01:17.000 He will talk about windmills cause cancer.

01:01:21.000 And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.

01:01:27.000 And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you.

01:01:31.000 You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires.

01:01:35.000 And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first.

01:01:40.000 And I pledge to you that I will.

01:01:42.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:01:43.000 President Trump, on that point, I want to get your response.

01:01:45.000 Well, I would like to respond.

01:01:46.000 Let me just ask, though, why did you try to kill that bill, and successfully so, that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border?

01:01:52.000 First, let me respond just to the rallies.

01:01:55.000 She said people start leaving.

01:01:56.000 People don't go to her rallies.

01:01:58.000 There's no reason to go.

01:01:59.000 And the people that do go, she's bussing them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light.

01:02:06.000 So she can't talk about that.

01:02:08.000 People don't leave my rallies.

01:02:09.000 We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics.

01:02:13.000 That's because people want to take their country back.

01:02:16.000 Our country is being lost.

01:02:18.000 We're a failing nation.

01:02:19.000 And it happened three and a half years ago.

01:02:22.000 And what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War III, just to go into another subject.

01:02:28.000 What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. 0.97

01:02:38.000 And a lot of towns don't want to talk.

01:02:39.000 It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield.

01:02:41.000 A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it.

01:02:45.000 In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.

01:02:49.000 They're eating the cats.

01:02:51.000 They're eating...

01:02:52.000 They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

01:02:56.000 And this is what's happening in our country.

01:02:59.000 And it's a shame.

01:03:00.000 As far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say.

01:03:06.000 They want to bring our country back.

01:03:08.000 They want to make America great again.

01:03:10.000 It's a very simple phrase.

01:03:11.000 Make America great again.

01:03:13.000 She's destroying this country, and if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. 0.99

01:03:20.000 Not only success, we'll end up being Venezuela on steroids.

01:03:24.000 I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there.

01:03:30.000 He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.

01:03:38.000 Well, I've seen people on television.

01:03:39.000 Let me just say here...

01:03:40.000 The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food.

01:03:45.000 So maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager.

01:03:48.000 I'm not taking this from television.

01:03:50.000 But the people on television saying their dog was eaten by the people that went there.

01:03:55.000 Again, the Springfield city manager says there's no evidence of that.

01:03:57.000 Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard.

01:04:01.000 Talk about extreme.

01:04:04.000 You know, this is, I think, one of the reasons why in this election I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain,

01:04:19.000 including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congressmember Liz Cheney.

01:04:26.000 And if you want to really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him.

01:04:37.000 His former chief of staff of four-star general has said he is contempt for the Constitution of the United States.

01:04:43.000 His former national security adviser has said he is dangerous and unfit.

01:04:48.000 His former Secretary of Defense has said the nation, the Republic, would never survive another Trump term.

01:04:57.000 And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed, I think the choice is clear in this election.

01:05:08.000 President Trump will give you a quick minute to respond.

01:05:11.000 Thank you, because when I hear that, see, I'm a different kind of a person.

01:05:15.000 I fired most of those people.

01:05:18.000 Not so graciously.

01:05:19.000 They did bad things or a bad job.

01:05:21.000 I fired them.

01:05:22.000 They never fired one person.

01:05:24.000 They didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people who were just killed, viciously and violently killed.

01:05:33.000 And I got to know the parents and the family.

01:05:35.000 They should have fired all those generals, all those top people, because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen.

01:05:45.000 So when somebody does a bad job, I fire him.

01:05:49.000 And you take a guy like Esper. 0.88

01:05:51.000 He was no good.

01:05:51.000 I fired him.

01:05:52.000 So he writes a book.

01:05:53.000 Another one writes a book.

01:05:54.000 Because with me, they can write books.

01:05:55.000 With nobody else, can they?

01:05:57.000 But they have done such a poor job.

01:05:59.000 And they never fire anybody.

01:06:02.000 Look at the economy.

01:06:03.000 Look at the inflation.

01:06:04.000 They didn't fire any of their economists.

01:06:07.000 They have the same people.

01:06:08.000 That's a good way not to have books written about you.

01:06:11.000 But just to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far.

01:06:18.000 In fact, I got more votes than any president, sitting president in history by far.

01:06:25.000 Let me continue on immigration.

01:06:26.000 It was what you wanted to talk about earlier.

01:06:27.000 So let's get back to your deportation proposal that the Vice President has reacted to as well.

01:06:34.000 President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country.

01:06:38.000 You say you would use the National Guard.

01:06:40.000 You say if things get out of control, you'd have no problem using the US military.

01:06:44.000 You also said you would use local police.

01:06:46.000 How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants?

01:06:50.000 I know you believe that number is much higher.

01:06:53.000 Take us through this.

01:06:54.000 What does this look like?

01:06:55.000 Will authorities be going door to door in this country?

01:06:58.000 It is much higher because of them.

01:07:00.000 They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals.

01:07:04.000 They allowed terrorists.

01:07:05.000 They allowed common street criminals.

01:07:08.000 They allowed people to come in, drug dealers, to come into our country. 0.98

01:07:11.000 And they're now in the United States and told by their countries, like Venezuela, don't ever come back or we're going to kill you. 0.98

01:07:19.000 Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world You know why?

01:07:26.000 Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country. 1.00

01:07:32.000 And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow.

01:07:37.000 And I think they probably did it because they think they're going to get votes, but it's not worth it.

01:07:42.000 Because they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done.

01:07:46.000 There's never been anything done like this at all.

01:07:49.000 They've destroyed the fabric of our country.

01:07:52.000 Millions of people let in.

01:07:53.000 And all over the world, crime is down all over the world except here.

01:07:58.000 Crime here is up and through the roof, despite their fraudulent statements that they made.

01:08:03.000 Crime in this country is through the roof.

01:08:05.000 And we have a new form of crime.

01:08:06.000 It's called migrant crime. 0.98

01:08:08.000 And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible.

01:08:11.000 President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country.

01:08:15.000 Excuse me, the FBI, they were defrauding statements.

01:08:18.000 They didn't include the worst cities.

01:08:21.000 They didn't include the cities with the worst crime.

01:08:24.000 It was a fraud, just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud.

01:08:31.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:08:32.000 I'll let you respond, Vice President Harris.

01:08:33.000 Well, I think this is so rich, coming from someone who has been prosecuted.

01:08:39.000 For national security crimes, economic crimes, election interference, has been found liable for sexual assault, and his next big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing.

01:08:55.000 And let's be clear, where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement.

01:09:05.000 The former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement, 45,000 agents, get this, on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts.

01:09:17.000 So let's talk about what is important in this race.

01:09:21.000 It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people, address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for,

01:09:37.000 address what we must do to support our small businesses, address bringing down the price of groceries.

01:09:43.000 But frankly, the American people are exhausted with this same old tired playbook.

01:09:49.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:09:50.000 Excuse me.

01:09:51.000 Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent.

01:09:56.000 And I'm winning most of them, and I will win the rest on appeal.

01:09:59.000 And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court.

01:10:03.000 I'm winning most of them.

01:10:05.000 But those are cases.

01:10:06.000 It's called weaponization.

01:10:07.000 Never happened in this country.

01:10:09.000 They weaponized the Justice Department.

01:10:11.000 Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ, from Atlanta and Fawney Willis to the Attorney General of New York and the DA in New York.

01:10:22.000 Every one of those cases.

01:10:23.000 And then they say, oh, he's a criminal.

01:10:27.000 They're the ones that...

01:10:28.000 Made them go after me.

01:10:30.000 By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case.

01:10:35.000 And what happened in my documents case?

01:10:37.000 They said, oh, that's the toughest of them all.

01:10:39.000 A complete and total victory.

01:10:41.000 Two months ago, it was thrown out.

01:10:44.000 It's weaponization and they used it and it's never happened in this country.

01:10:48.000 They used it to try and win an election.

01:10:50.000 They're fake cases.

01:10:52.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:10:53.000 A really quick response here, Vice President Harris, on this notion of weaponization of the Justice Department.

01:10:57.000 Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place.

01:11:03.000 The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again.

01:11:14.000 Understand this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the Constitution of the United States.

01:11:22.000 That he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies.

01:11:28.000 Someone who has openly expressed disdain For members of our military, understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the White House with no guardrails.

01:11:40.000 Because certainly we know now the court won't stop him.

01:11:43.000 We know J.D. Vance is not going to stop him.

01:11:45.000 It's up to the American people.

01:11:47.000 Vice President Harris, in your last run for president.

01:11:53.000 This is the one that weaponized, not me.

01:11:56.000 She weaponized. 0.77

01:11:57.000 I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me.

01:12:02.000 They talk about democracy. 0.88

01:12:04.000 I'm a threat to democracy.

01:12:06.000 They're the threat to democracy.

01:12:08.000 With a fake Russia, Russia, Russia investigation that went nowhere.

01:12:12.000 We have a lot to get to.

01:12:13.000 Lindsay?

01:12:13.000 Vice President Harris, in your last run for president, you said you wanted to ban fracking.

01:12:17.000 Now you don't.

01:12:18.000 You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons.

01:12:22.000 Now your campaign says you don't.

01:12:24.000 You supported decriminalizing border crossings.

01:12:26.000 Now you're taking a harder line.

01:12:28.000 I know you say that your values have not changed.

01:12:31.000 So then why have so many of your policy positions changed?

01:12:34.000 So, my values have not changed, and I'm going to discuss at least every point that you've made.

01:12:40.000 But in particular, let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania.

01:12:43.000 I made that very clear in 2020.

01:12:45.000 I will not ban fracking.

01:12:47.000 I have not banned fracking as Vice President of the United States.

01:12:49.000 And in fact, I was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking.

01:12:58.000 My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil.

01:13:07.000 We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over rely on foreign oil.

01:13:19.000 As it relates to my values, let me tell you, I grew up a middle class kid raised by a hard working mother.

01:13:26.000 Who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when I was a teenager.

01:13:31.000 The values I bring to the importance of home ownership, knowing not everybody got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times.

01:13:41.000 Is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and home builders to increase 3 million homes, increase by 3 million homes by the end of my first term.

01:13:53.000 My work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather.

01:14:00.000 And my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable.

01:14:11.000 My work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on long-standing work that I have done, protecting seniors from scams.

01:14:20.000 My values have not changed.

01:14:23.000 And what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down and name-calling.

01:14:36.000 The true measure of the leader Is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down, it's in lifting people up.

01:14:45.000 I intend to be that president.

01:14:48.000 President Trump, your response?

01:14:49.000 Well, first of all, I wasn't given $400 million.

01:14:51.000 I wish I was.

01:14:52.000 My father was a Brooklyn builder, Brooklyn, Queens, and a great father, and I learned a lot from him.

01:14:57.000 But I was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction, and I built it into many, many billions of dollars.

01:15:02.000 Many, many billions.

01:15:04.000 And when people see it, they are even surprised.

01:15:06.000 So, we don't have to talk about that.

01:15:08.000 Fracking?

01:15:09.000 She's been against it for 12 years.

01:15:12.000 Defund the police?

01:15:13.000 She's been against that forever.

01:15:15.000 She gave all that stuff up Very wrongly, very horribly, and everybody's laughing at it, okay?

01:15:22.000 They're all laughing at it.

01:15:23.000 She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies. 1.00

01:15:28.000 Like, she was big on defund the police.

01:15:30.000 In Minnesota, she went out.

01:15:32.000 Wait a minute, I'm talking now.

01:15:34.000 If you don't mind, please.

01:15:36.000 Does that sound familiar?

01:15:39.000 She went out.

01:15:42.000 She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people, that burned down Minneapolis, she went out and raised money to get them out of jail.

01:15:52.000 She did things that nobody would ever think of.

01:15:54.000 Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison. 1.00

01:16:00.000 This is a radical left liberal that would do this.

01:16:03.000 She wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania. 1.00

01:16:09.000 If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one. 0.99

01:16:13.000 Just to finish, one thing so important in my opinion.

01:16:16.000 So I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before.

01:16:21.000 They took, when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it, and the prices were going up the roof.

01:16:28.000 They immediately let these guys go to where they were.

01:16:33.000 I would have been five times, four times, five times higher, because you're talking about three and a half years ago.

01:16:39.000 They got it up to where I was because they had no choice, because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling.

01:16:47.000 You saw what happened to gasoline.

01:16:48.000 So they said, let's go back to Trump.

01:16:50.000 But if she won the election the day after that election, They'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead. 1.00

01:16:56.000 Fossil fuel will be dead.

01:16:58.000 We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar, where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out of it.

01:17:04.000 You ever see a solar plant?

01:17:05.000 By the way, I'm a big fan of solar.

01:17:07.000 But they take...

01:17:10.000 400, 500 acres of desert soil.

01:17:13.000 These are not good things for the environment, as she understands.

01:17:16.000 Thank you.

01:17:17.000 Lindsay, thank you.

01:17:17.000 We have an election in just 56 days.

01:17:20.000 And I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which, of course, we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president in a moment of crisis.

01:17:28.000 Mr.

01:17:29.000 President, on January 6th, you told your supporters to march to the Capitol.

01:17:32.000 You said you would be right there with them.

01:17:34.000 The country and the world saw what played out at the Capitol that day, the officers coming under attack.

01:17:39.000 Aides in the West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office.

01:17:43.000 You did send out tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message telling your supporters to go home.

01:17:50.000 Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

01:17:53.000 You just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically.

01:17:59.000 I said during my speech, not later on.

01:18:02.000 Peacefully and patriotically.

01:18:04.000 And nobody on the other side was killed.

01:18:07.000 Ashley Babbitt was shot by an out of control police officer.

01:18:11.000 That should have never, ever shot her.

01:18:14.000 It's a disgrace.

01:18:16.000 But we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly.

01:18:20.000 I ask, what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in? 1.00

01:18:26.000 She was the Bodezar, remember that. 1.00

01:18:28.000 She was the border czar.

01:18:29.000 She doesn't want to be called the border czar because she's embarrassed by the border.

01:18:32.000 In fact, she said at the beginning, oh, I'm surprised you're not talking about the border yet.

01:18:36.000 That's because she knows what a bad job they've done.

01:18:39.000 What about those people?

01:18:41.000 When are they going to be prosecuted?

01:18:42.000 When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America?

01:18:47.000 They're coming in from all over the world, David.

01:18:51.000 All over the world.

01:18:52.000 And crime rates are down all over the world because of it.

01:18:55.000 But let me just ask you...

01:18:56.000 David, when are those people going to be prosecuted?

01:18:58.000 When are the people that burned down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted?

01:19:02.000 Or in Seattle?

01:19:03.000 They went into Seattle.

01:19:04.000 They took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle.

01:19:07.000 When are those people going to be prosecuted?

01:19:09.000 But let me just ask you.

01:19:10.000 You might ask her that question.

01:19:11.000 You were the president.

01:19:12.000 You were watching it unfold on television.

01:19:14.000 It's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election.

01:19:17.000 Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

01:19:21.000 I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech.

01:19:25.000 I showed up for a speech.

01:19:26.000 I said, I think it's going to be big.

01:19:28.000 I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington, D.C. And the mayor put it back in writing, as you know.

01:19:35.000 I said, you know, this is going to be a very big rally or whatever you want to call it.

01:19:39.000 And again, it wasn't done by me.

01:19:41.000 It was done by others.

01:19:42.000 I said, I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers.

01:19:47.000 They rejected me.

01:19:48.000 Nancy Pelosi rejected me. 0.99

01:19:50.000 It was just two weeks ago.

01:19:51.000 Her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened.

01:19:56.000 They want to get rid of that tape.

01:19:57.000 It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs.

01:20:03.000 I wasn't responsible for security.

01:20:05.000 Nancy Pelosi was responsible.

01:20:07.000 She didn't do her job.

01:20:08.000 The question was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi.

01:20:12.000 But I do want Vice President Harris to respond here.

01:20:15.000 I was at the Capitol on January 6th.

01:20:18.000 I was the vice president-elect.

01:20:20.000 I was also an acting senator.

01:20:22.000 I was there.

01:20:23.000 And on that day, the President of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's Capitol, to desecrate our nation's Capitol.

01:20:36.000 On that day, 140 law enforcement officers were injured, and some died.

01:20:42.000 And understand, the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason.

01:20:50.000 But this is not an isolated situation.

01:20:53.000 Let's remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing anti-Semitic hate.

01:21:04.000 And what did the president then at the time say?

01:21:08.000 There were fine people on each side.

01:21:10.000 Let's remember.

01:21:12.000 That when it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the president said, the former president said, stand back and stand by.

01:21:21.000 So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say, we don't have to go back.

01:21:30.000 Let's not go back.

01:21:31.000 We're not going back.

01:21:32.000 It's time to turn the page.

01:21:34.000 And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law, and to end the chaos.

01:21:52.000 And to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome.

01:22:00.000 And be clear on that point.

01:22:03.000 Donald Trump, the candidate, has said in this election there will be a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking.

01:22:12.000 Let's turn the page on this.

01:22:14.000 Let's not go back.

01:22:16.000 Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past.

01:22:21.000 Let me just follow up here.

01:22:23.000 It was a different term and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business.

01:22:30.000 That was where Bloodbath was.

01:22:31.000 Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked.

01:22:36.000 Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Jesse, all of these people, they covered it.

01:22:42.000 If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect.

01:22:45.000 It was debunked in almost every newspaper, but they still bring it up, just like they bring 2025 up.

01:22:51.000 They bring all of this stuff up.

01:22:52.000 I ask you this.

01:22:53.000 You talk about the Capitol.

01:22:56.000 Why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border?

01:23:00.000 How come she's not doing anything?

01:23:02.000 And I'll tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it.

01:23:05.000 I would say we would both leave this debate right now.

01:23:08.000 I'd like to see her go down. 1.00

01:23:11.000 To Washington, D.C., during this debate, because we're wasting a lot of time, go down to, because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous, go down to Washington, D.C., and let her sign a bill to close up the border, because they have the right to do it.

01:23:24.000 They don't need bills.

01:23:25.000 They have the right to do it.

01:23:27.000 The President of the United States, you'll get them out of bed, you'll wake them up at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you'll say, come on, come on down to the office, let's sign a bill.

01:23:34.000 If he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the Border Patrol, who are phenomenal.

01:23:41.000 If they do that, the border is closed.

01:23:44.000 Those people are killing many people, unlike J6. We talked immigration here tonight. 1.00

01:23:48.000 I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you, because it really brings us this into focus, truth in these times that we're living in.

01:23:56.000 Mr.

01:23:56.000 President, for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide.

01:24:04.000 In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker, that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short.

01:24:13.000 I said that?

01:24:14.000 Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020?

01:24:17.000 No, I don't acknowledge that at all.

01:24:18.000 But you did say that.

01:24:18.000 I said that sarcastically, you know that.

01:24:20.000 And we said, oh, we lost by a whisker.

01:24:22.000 That was said sarcastically.

01:24:24.000 There's so much proof.

01:24:25.000 All you have to do is look at it.

01:24:27.000 And they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval.

01:24:30.000 I got almost 75 million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten.

01:24:35.000 I was told if I got 63, which was what I got in 2016, you can't be beaten.

01:24:40.000 The election, people should never be thinking about it.

01:24:43.000 An election is fraudulent.

01:24:44.000 We need two things.

01:24:45.000 We need walls.

01:24:46.000 We need, and we have to have it.

01:24:48.000 We have to have borders and we have to have good elections.

01:24:52.000 Our elections are bad.

01:24:53.000 And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote. 0.96

01:24:58.000 They can't even speak English.

01:24:59.000 They don't even know what country they're in practically.

01:25:01.000 And these people are trying to get them to vote.

01:25:04.000 And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country. 1.00

01:25:06.000 I did watch all of these pieces of video.

01:25:08.000 I didn't detect the sarcasm.

01:25:10.000 Lost by a whisker.

01:25:11.000 We didn't quite make it.

01:25:12.000 And we should just point out here as clarification, and you know this, you and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican.

01:25:19.000 No judge looked at it.

01:25:20.000 They said we didn't have standing.

01:25:21.000 That's the other thing.

01:25:23.000 They said we didn't have standing, a technicality.

01:25:26.000 Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing, the President of the United States doesn't have standing?

01:25:33.000 That's how we lost.

01:25:35.000 If you look at the facts, and I'd love to have you do a special on it, I'll show you Georgia, and I'll show you Wisconsin, and I'll show you Pennsylvania.

01:25:44.000 We have so many facts and statistics.

01:25:47.000 But you know what?

01:25:48.000 That doesn't matter.

01:25:49.000 Because we have to solve the problem that we have right now.

01:25:51.000 That's old news.

01:25:53.000 And the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in decline.

01:25:58.000 And they have put it into decline.

01:26:00.000 We have a nation that is dying, David.

01:26:03.000 Mr.

01:26:03.000 President, thank you.

01:26:04.000 Vice President Harris, you heard the president there tonight.

01:26:07.000 He said he didn't say that, that he lost by a whisker.

01:26:08.000 So he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by President Biden and yourself.

01:26:16.000 But I do want to ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days.

01:26:19.000 This was a post from President Trump.

01:26:21.000 About this upcoming election just weeks away.

01:26:23.000 He said, when I win, those people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials, he says, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences.

01:26:34.000 One of your campaign's top lawyers responded, saying, we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us.

01:26:38.000 We won't let him suppress the vote.

01:26:40.000 Is that what you believe he's trying to do here?

01:26:44.000 Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people.

01:26:47.000 So let's be clear about that.

01:26:49.000 And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that.

01:26:53.000 But we cannot afford to have a President of the United States who attempts, as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election.

01:27:06.000 And I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as Vice President of the United States.

01:27:12.000 And world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. 0.98

01:27:15.000 I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a disgrace.

01:27:22.000 And when you then talk in this way, in a presidential debate, and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did, in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament Or the ability to not be confused about fact.

01:27:48.000 That's deeply troubling.

01:27:50.000 And the American people deserve better.

01:27:53.000 I'll give you one minute to respond, Mr.

01:27:54.000 President.

01:27:55.000 Let me just tell you about world leaders.

01:27:56.000 Viktor Orban, one of the most respected men.

01:27:59.000 They call him a strong man.

01:28:00.000 He's a tough person.

01:28:02.000 Smart.

01:28:03.000 Prime Minister of Hungary.

01:28:05.000 They said, why is the whole world blowing up?

01:28:07.000 Three years ago it wasn't.

01:28:09.000 Why is it blowing up?

01:28:10.000 He said because you need Trump back as president.

01:28:15.000 They were afraid of him.

01:28:16.000 China was afraid, and I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him. 0.93

01:28:20.000 China was afraid of him.

01:28:22.000 North Korea was afraid of him.

01:28:24.000 Look at what's going on with North Korea, by the way.

01:28:26.000 He said Russia was afraid of him.

01:28:28.000 I ended the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and Biden put it back on day one, but he ended the XL pipeline.

01:28:35.000 The XL pipeline in our country, he ended that.

01:28:39.000 But he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany.

01:28:43.000 The biggest pipeline in the world.

01:28:45.000 Look, Viktor Orban...

01:28:48.000 He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump.

01:28:53.000 We had no problems when Trump was president. 0.98

01:28:56.000 But when this weak, pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago, that if he weren't in that debate, he'd be running instead of her. 0.99

01:29:05.000 She got no votes. 0.99

01:29:06.000 He got 14 million votes.

01:29:07.000 What you did, you talk about a threat to democracy.

01:29:10.000 He got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office.

01:29:13.000 And you know what?

01:29:14.000 I'll give you a little secret.

01:29:15.000 He hates her. 0.78

01:29:16.000 He can't stand her.

01:29:17.000 But he got 14 million votes.

01:29:19.000 They threw him out.

01:29:21.000 She got zero votes.

01:29:23.000 And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed.

01:29:27.000 And now she's running.

01:29:28.000 I don't understand it, but I'm okay with it because I think we're going to do very well.

01:29:33.000 We've got a lot more to get to.

01:29:34.000 Turning now to the Israel-Hamas war and the hostages who are still being held, Americans among them.

01:29:39.000 Vice President Harris, in December, you said Israel has a right to defend itself, but you added, quote, it matters how, saying international humanitarian law must be respected, Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.

01:29:52.000 You said that nine months ago, now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead.

01:29:57.000 Nearly 100 hostages remain.

01:30:00.000 Just last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making.

01:30:04.000 President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate.

01:30:07.000 How would you do it?

01:30:09.000 Well, let's understand how we got here.

01:30:12.000 On October 7, Hamas, a terrorist organization, slaughtered 1,200 Israelis, many of them young people who were simply attending a concert.

01:30:26.000 Women were horribly raped.

01:30:28.000 And so absolutely, I said then, I say now.

01:30:31.000 Israel has a right to defend itself.

01:30:33.000 We would.

01:30:35.000 And how it does so matters.

01:30:37.000 Because it is also true, far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed.

01:30:43.000 Children, mothers.

01:30:46.000 What we know is that this war must end.

01:30:50.000 It must end immediately.

01:30:53.000 And the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out.

01:30:58.000 And so we will continue to work around the clock on that.

01:31:02.000 Work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution.

01:31:08.000 And in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and in equal measure for the Palestinians.

01:31:17.000 But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel.

01:31:31.000 But we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians have security, self-determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve.

01:31:42.000 President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza?

01:31:52.000 If I were president, it would have never started.

01:31:55.000 If I were president, Russia would have never, ever, I know Putin very well, he would have never, and there was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years, have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you add it up.

01:32:08.000 Far worse than people understand what's going on over there.

01:32:11.000 But when she mentions about Israel, all of a sudden she hates Israel.

01:32:16.000 She wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech.

01:32:22.000 She refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers. 1.00

01:32:25.000 She wanted to go to the sorority party. 0.97

01:32:28.000 She hates Israel.

01:32:29.000 If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now.

01:32:34.000 And I've been pretty good at predictions and I hope I'm wrong about that one.

01:32:38.000 She hates Israel. 0.95

01:32:39.000 At the same time, in her own way, she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up. 0.99

01:32:48.000 Arabs... 1.00

01:32:49.000 Jewish people, Israel. 0.99

01:32:51.000 Israel will be gone. 0.98

01:32:53.000 It would have never happened.

01:32:55.000 Iran was broke under Donald Trump.

01:32:58.000 Now Iran has $300 billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had.

01:33:03.000 Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different Spheres of terror.

01:33:10.000 And they are spheres of terror.

01:33:12.000 Horrible terror.

01:33:13.000 They had no money.

01:33:14.000 It was a big story, and you know it.

01:33:16.000 You covered it very well, actually.

01:33:18.000 They had no money for terror.

01:33:20.000 They were broke.

01:33:22.000 Now they're a rich nation.

01:33:23.000 And now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around.

01:33:28.000 Look at what's happening with the Houthis and Yemen.

01:33:31.000 Look at what's going on in the Middle East.

01:33:33.000 This would have never happened.

01:33:35.000 I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended.

01:33:40.000 If I'm president-elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president.

01:33:46.000 Vice President Harris, he says you hate Israel.

01:33:48.000 That's absolutely not true.

01:33:51.000 I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people.

01:33:56.000 He knows that.

01:33:57.000 He's trying to, again, divide and distract from the reality, which is it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy.

01:34:10.000 It is well known that he admires dictators, Wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself.

01:34:17.000 It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.

01:34:26.000 It is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant. 1.00

01:34:32.000 It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un.

01:34:38.000 And it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear.

01:34:47.000 They can manipulate you with flattery and favors.

01:34:52.000 And that is why. 0.99

01:34:54.000 So many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace.

01:35:01.000 That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on national security including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military.

01:35:15.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:35:17.000 And she's the one that caused it.

01:35:20.000 That's weak on national security by allowing every nation last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Their crime weights are way down.

01:35:32.000 Putin endorsed her last week, said, I hope she wins.

01:35:35.000 And I think he meant it.

01:35:36.000 Because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible.

01:35:40.000 It wouldn't have happened with me.

01:35:41.000 The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent, and they are. 0.99

01:35:47.000 They're grossly incompetent. 0.98

01:35:48.000 And I just ask one question. 0.81

01:35:50.000 Why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone Pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made, Nord Stream 2, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe?

01:36:02.000 Because they're weak and they're ineffective.

01:36:05.000 And Biden, by the way, gets paid a lot of money.

01:36:07.000 Thank you.

01:36:07.000 We have a lot of issues to get to.

01:36:09.000 We'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from the National Constitution Center right here in Philadelphia.

01:36:15.000 Okay.

01:36:18.000 That was a lot.

01:36:19.000 That was a lot.

01:36:21.000 That was good.

01:36:25.000 I'll let you kind of go for it.

01:36:27.000 We could play in the background, Bills.

01:36:28.000 Go ahead.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:30.000 I mean, look, I'm really enjoying this debate.

01:36:32.000 I think Kamala Harris is shading it because, don't get me wrong, there's certain issues that Trump's done better.

01:36:38.000 There's certain issues that she's done better.

01:36:40.000 But overall, I mean, she is doing much better in the debate.

01:36:44.000 And we said this at the beginning of the program.

01:36:46.000 If Kamala Harris does better in this debate, She's going to be significantly in favour, or in favour of a position, to win the presidential election. 0.99

01:36:55.000 And I think she is sharing it.

01:36:58.000 So if you look at abortion, I felt like she did better on that issue.

01:37:01.000 She's done better on this Israel-Hamas question, because she kind of placated both sides.

01:37:07.000 Remember, her husband's Jewish as well.

01:37:08.000 Abortion issue, she did better. 1.00

01:37:10.000 Immigration issue, that was meant to be Trump's slam dunk.

01:37:12.000 She's so weak on it, we know.

01:37:14.000 From outside this debate, and yet in the debate, I thought it was quite even, that specific segment.

01:37:19.000 I thought Trump did better on the fake election, the previous election questions.

01:37:23.000 I think he did much better on that.

01:37:24.000 I think he did better on the peaceful moving of power.

01:37:28.000 And he did better on the fracking issues and the changing of position issues.

01:37:32.000 So overall, I do think that she did a lot better.

01:37:34.000 And I think if this continues, you could have a female president. 1.00

01:37:40.000 Well, I think Trump's biggest thing is he brings everything back to the border.

01:37:44.000 I think he needs to stick to what the topic is and, you know, answer the questions because some of these questions aren't that hard.

01:37:50.000 And he can just like, because he keeps kind of deflecting it back to immigration.

01:37:54.000 He doesn't need to do that.

01:37:55.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:37:56.000 These are things that she's not even strong in in some of these positions and he can absolutely like embarrass her and make her look stupid. 1.00

01:38:01.000 So, you know, I think he needs to do that. 1.00

01:38:04.000 What else here?

01:38:05.000 Yeah, just while you're thinking that, just to add to that, that's what she's excelled in.

01:38:10.000 She's brought emotion.

01:38:11.000 And remember, emotion impacts the left and the women and people who are a bit more feminine.

01:38:15.000 And then she's brought better policies in as well. 1.00

01:38:18.000 I mean, I think she's doing much better.

01:38:20.000 And I agree with you.

01:38:21.000 He's generally just talking about immigration on almost every topic.

01:38:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:25.000 The other thing, too, that they keep lying about, though, I've noticed, is they keep saying that he supports Project 2025, which is a huge fucking lie. 0.90

01:38:32.000 That's not true at all. 0.91

01:38:33.000 He's disavowed it, like, literally, like, ten times.

01:38:36.000 So, I like Project 2025.

01:38:38.000 But he's smart by bringing that up.

01:38:40.000 Yeah, they keep bringing it up and saying that he supports it, which isn't true whatsoever.

01:38:43.000 So...

01:38:45.000 And then she'll go ahead and build her argument off of that. 0.89

01:38:48.000 And then the reproductive rights thing that I thought was a little interesting was they keep trying to say that he's not pro-abortion.

01:38:56.000 He actually is.

01:38:56.000 He just delegated it to the States because he didn't want to deal with it anymore.

01:38:59.000 So he's kind of...

01:39:01.000 I don't know.

01:39:03.000 There...

01:39:04.000 Hold on a minute. 0.99

01:39:05.000 Because I took a bunch of fucking notes here. 0.98

01:39:08.000 At the end of the show, I know we're going to talk about this in Dia, but there's so much to talk about on that. 0.98

01:39:13.000 Yeah, and then the whole...

01:39:14.000 So, how are we looking for commercials?

01:39:16.000 We still got a little bit of time bills?

01:39:17.000 Okay.

01:39:18.000 You can see it.

01:39:18.000 You can see it on the left.

01:39:20.000 Okay, okay, yeah, I can see it.

01:39:23.000 The inflation thing, you know, she was trying to say that he's going to cut taxes for the wealthy, blah, blah, blah, you know, the typical Democrat talking point, and we're going to go ahead and help the middle class.

01:39:34.000 And then Trump kind of said, no, I'm going to, you know, increase tariffs, which will allow them to get more money.

01:39:39.000 Then the whole abortion situation, which, you know, I knew when they got into that, that's going to be...

01:39:44.000 That's one of her strongest things, is the whole reproductive rights. 1.00

01:39:47.000 Honestly, that's one of the biggest things she's campaigning on, is reproductive rights. 1.00

01:39:51.000 And they keep saying, well, he supports Project 2025, and by him supporting Project 2025, he's not going to allow abortions. 0.98

01:39:57.000 And they keep fucking saying this lie, which is not true. 0.98

01:39:59.000 And then let's see here. 0.98

01:40:00.000 And then obviously they brought up his criminal case, which I thought that was funny that she brought that up about his criminal cases, weaponizing the Department of Justice and Border Security.

01:40:14.000 I wish he answered that question, though.

01:40:15.000 When they asked him about him killing that bill, I wish he answered that, dude.

01:40:19.000 Because he doesn't want to answer those.

01:40:21.000 Because again, this is the problem Trump's got and that's why I think she's doing a lot better.

01:40:24.000 When she brings up Project 2025, when she brings up abortion, it puts him in a sticky situation because he disavows it.

01:40:32.000 He alienates the right and the left think he's lying anyway.

01:40:36.000 So it's a very smart strategy.

01:40:38.000 I would do the exact same thing.

01:40:39.000 So on Project 2025, abortion, many of the topics you're talking about, he's losing his own base by his answers.

01:40:45.000 And then he's losing the left as well.

01:40:49.000 I'm telling you, I really think she's winning this debate.

01:40:52.000 Yeah, it's definitely, he needs to step it up for the second half.

01:40:57.000 I don't know if she, I want to say she's winning.

01:40:59.000 I would say it's pretty close between the two, but he should be smacking her. 0.97

01:41:02.000 It's back? 0.90

01:41:04.000 Yeah.

01:41:05.000 I think for his strategy here is he needs to answer the questions, not necessarily bring everything back to immigration and the border, and just focus on like cooking her attack points.

01:41:16.000 She's more detailed in all her answers.

01:41:19.000 Mr.

01:41:19.000 President, it has been the position of the Biden administration.

01:41:21.000 Do me a favor, guys.

01:41:21.000 Open up a tab on Twitch because we're going to be switching over to Twitch here at some point.

01:41:24.000 So, guys, everybody on YouTube, do me a favor.

01:41:27.000 Open up Twitch and if you're on Rumble as well.

01:41:31.000 But let's get back to it.

01:41:32.000 Further into other countries.

01:41:34.000 You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours.

01:41:36.000 You said so just before the break tonight.

01:41:38.000 How exactly would you do that?

01:41:40.000 And I want to ask you a very simple question tonight.

01:41:42.000 Do you want Ukraine to win this war?

01:41:45.000 No.

01:41:45.000 I want the war to stop.

01:41:47.000 I want to save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions.

01:41:53.000 It's the millions.

01:41:54.000 It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers.

01:41:58.000 Look.

01:41:59.000 We're in for 250 billion or more because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are.

01:42:09.000 They're in for 150 billion dollars less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars when I said Either you pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore.

01:42:26.000 So that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people.

01:42:30.000 But you take a look at what's happening.

01:42:33.000 We're in for $250 to $275 billion.

01:42:37.000 They're into $100 to $150.

01:42:39.000 They should be forced to equalize.

01:42:42.000 With that being said, I want to get the war settled. 0.67

01:42:45.000 I know Zelensky very well and I know Putin very well.

01:42:48.000 I have a good relationship and they respect...

01:42:51.000 Your president, okay?

01:42:52.000 They respect me.

01:42:53.000 They don't respect Biden.

01:42:55.000 How would you respect him?

01:42:56.000 Why?

01:42:56.000 For what reason?

01:42:57.000 He hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin.

01:43:00.000 Hasn't spoken to anybody.

01:43:02.000 They don't even try and get it.

01:43:03.000 That is a war that's dying to be settled.

01:43:06.000 I will get it settled before I even become president.

01:43:08.000 If I win, when I'm president-elect, and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together, that war would have never happened.

01:43:18.000 And in fact, when I saw Putin after I left, We're good to go.

01:43:29.000 We're good to go.

01:43:48.000 We're playing with World War III, and we have a president that we don't even know if he's- Where is our president?

01:43:53.000 We don't even know if he's a president.

01:43:55.000 And just to clarify here- They threw him out of a campaign like a dog.

01:43:58.000 We don't even know.

01:43:59.000 Is he our president?

01:44:00.000 But we have a president- Mr.

01:44:02.000 President- That doesn't know he's alive.

01:44:04.000 Your time is up.

01:44:05.000 Just to clarify in the question, do you believe it's in the U.S. best interest for Ukraine to win this war, yes or no?

01:44:11.000 I think it's the U.S. best interest to get this war finished and just get it done. 0.94

01:44:16.000 Negotiate a deal.

01:44:17.000 Because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed.

01:44:21.000 I want to take this to Vice President Harris.

01:44:23.000 I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment.

01:44:27.000 But also, as Commander-in-Chief, if elected, how would you deal with Vladimir Putin?

01:44:32.000 And would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden?

01:44:35.000 Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden, you're running against me.

01:44:42.000 I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up.

01:44:50.000 And that's not who we are as Americans.

01:44:52.000 Let's understand what happened here.

01:44:53.000 I actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded Tried through force to change territorial boundaries, to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity.

01:45:12.000 And I met with President Zelensky.

01:45:13.000 I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself.

01:45:17.000 Days later, I went to NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania.

01:45:22.000 And through the work that I and others did, we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense.

01:45:31.000 And because of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the javelins, the Abrams tanks that we have provided, Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.

01:45:44.000 If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv right now.

01:45:48.000 And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine.

01:45:55.000 Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO. And what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence.

01:46:17.000 Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe, starting with Poland.

01:46:23.000 And why don't you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch. 0.71

01:46:40.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:46:41.000 We've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight.

01:46:43.000 Afghanistan came up in the last hour.

01:46:45.000 I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier.

01:46:48.000 Please, I'll give you a minute here.

01:46:51.000 Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in Moscow.

01:46:59.000 Quiet, please.

01:47:00.000 He would have been sitting in Moscow much happier than he is right now.

01:47:05.000 But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other people don't have.

01:47:08.000 He's got nuclear weapons.

01:47:10.000 They don't ever talk about that.

01:47:11.000 He got nuclear weapons.

01:47:12.000 Nobody ever thinks about that.

01:47:14.000 And eventually, maybe he'll use them and maybe he hasn't been that threatening.

01:47:19.000 But he does have that.

01:47:20.000 Something we don't even like to talk about.

01:47:23.000 Nobody likes to talk about it.

01:47:24.000 But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started.

01:47:30.000 Three days later, he went in and he started the war. 1.00

01:47:33.000 Everything they said was weak and stupid. 1.00

01:47:36.000 They said the wrong things. 1.00

01:47:38.000 That war should have never started.

01:47:40.000 She was the emissary.

01:47:41.000 They sent her in to negotiate with Zelensky and Putin.

01:47:46.000 And she did.

01:47:47.000 And the war started three days later.

01:47:49.000 And that's the kind of talent we have with her. 0.99

01:47:52.000 She's worse than Biden, in my opinion.

01:47:54.000 I think he's the worst president in the history of our country.

01:47:57.000 She goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country. 1.00

01:48:00.000 But let me tell you something. 0.90

01:48:02.000 She is a horrible negotiator. 1.00

01:48:04.000 They sent her in to negotiate. 0.52

01:48:06.000 As soon as they left, Putin did the invasion.

01:48:09.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:48:10.000 You did bring up something.

01:48:11.000 You said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin.

01:48:13.000 President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?

01:48:15.000 Can you clarify tonight?

01:48:17.000 Yet again, I said at the beginning of this debate, you're going to hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow.

01:48:21.000 And that is another one.

01:48:23.000 When I went to meet with President Zelensky, I've now met with him over five times.

01:48:28.000 The reality is it has been about standing as America always should, as a leader upholding international rules and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor Our enemies because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy. 0.97

01:48:57.000 Shut up. 0.95

01:48:57.000 And that is very much what is at stake here. 0.95

01:49:00.000 The president of the United States is commander in chief.

01:49:03.000 And the American people have a right to rely.

01:49:07.000 On a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.

01:49:25.000 We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin.

01:49:27.000 I do want to talk about Afghanistan.

01:49:29.000 It came up in the first hour of this debate.

01:49:32.000 I wanted to move on to Afghanistan. 1.00

01:49:40.000 To pay up.

01:49:41.000 He said, I've never seen.

01:49:42.000 He's the head of NATO. He said, I've never seen.

01:49:45.000 For years, we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being ripped off by European nations, both on trade and on NATO. I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before, if you don't pay, we're not going to protect you.

01:49:59.000 Thank you, otherwise we would have never gotten it.

01:50:01.000 He said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.

01:50:05.000 Thank you.

01:50:05.000 I want to turn to Afghanistan.

01:50:07.000 It came up in the first hour of the debate, and we witnessed a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

01:50:14.000 I do want to ask the Vice President, do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?

01:50:20.000 And give some subs, please.

01:50:22.000 Well, I will tell you, I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.

01:50:27.000 Four presidents said they would, and Joe Biden did.

01:50:31.000 And as a result, America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day.

01:50:36.000 We were paying for that endless war.

01:50:38.000 And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this century But let's understand how we got to where we are.

01:50:55.000 Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.

01:51:00.000 He calls himself a dealmaker.

01:51:02.000 Even his national security adviser said it was a weak, terrible deal.

01:51:07.000 And here's how it went down.

01:51:09.000 He bypassed the Afghan government.

01:51:11.000 He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban.

01:51:16.000 The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorists, Taliban terrorists released.

01:51:22.000 And get this, no, get this.

01:51:24.000 And the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David.

01:51:31.000 A place of storied significance for us as Americans, a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected world leaders.

01:51:45.000 And this former president, as president, invited them To Camp David, because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility of the President of the United States to be Commander in Chief with a level of respect.

01:52:05.000 And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the United States of America around the world.

01:52:21.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:52:23.000 President Trump, your response to her saying that you began the negotiations with the Taliban?

01:52:26.000 So, if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers.

01:52:36.000 And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.

01:52:41.000 That's the fighting force within Afghanistan.

01:52:43.000 They don't bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time.

01:52:46.000 But I got involved.

01:52:49.000 And Abdul is the head of the Taliban.

01:52:51.000 He is still the head of the Taliban.

01:52:53.000 And I told Abdul, don't do it anymore.

01:52:56.000 You do it anymore.

01:52:57.000 You're going to have problems.

01:52:58.000 And he said, why do you send me a picture of my house?

01:53:00.000 I said, you're going to have to figure that out, Abdul.

01:53:03.000 And for 18 months, we had nobody killed.

01:53:06.000 We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo.

01:53:09.000 It was a very good agreement.

01:53:10.000 The reason it was good, it was...

01:53:13.000 We were getting out.

01:53:14.000 We would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers.

01:53:17.000 We wouldn't have left many Americans behind.

01:53:19.000 We wouldn't have left...

01:53:20.000 We wouldn't have left...

01:53:22.000 $85 billion worth of brand new, beautiful military equipment behind.

01:53:27.000 And just to finish, they blew it.

01:53:30.000 The agreement said you have to do this, this, this, this, this.

01:53:34.000 And they didn't do it.

01:53:35.000 They didn't do it.

01:53:36.000 The agreement was...

01:53:38.000 Was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.

01:53:44.000 I want to move on.

01:53:44.000 And these people did the worst withdrawal.

01:53:47.000 And in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. 0.74

01:53:51.000 And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine, because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.

01:53:58.000 There we go.

01:53:59.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:54:00.000 There we go.

01:54:00.000 I want to move on now to race and politics in this country.

01:54:03.000 Mr.

01:54:03.000 President, you recently said of Vice President Harris, quote, I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.

01:54:12.000 I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight.

01:54:15.000 Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent?

01:54:19.000 I don't, and I don't care.

01:54:21.000 I don't care what she is.

01:54:22.000 I don't care.

01:54:24.000 You make a big deal out of something.

01:54:26.000 I couldn't care less.

01:54:28.000 Whatever she wants to be is okay with me.

01:54:30.000 But those were your words.

01:54:31.000 I don't know.

01:54:32.000 I don't know.

01:54:32.000 I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black.

01:54:36.000 That she put out, and I'll say that, and then I read that she was black, and that's okay. 1.00

01:54:43.000 Either one was okay with me.

01:54:44.000 That's up to her.

01:54:46.000 That's a biased question.

01:54:47.000 Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this?

01:54:48.000 The answer's terrible, though.

01:54:50.000 I think it's, I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to use race to divide the American people.

01:55:05.000 You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us, and we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.

01:55:17.000 And let's remember how Donald Trump started.

01:55:20.000 He owned land, he owned buildings, and he was investigated because he refused to rent Property to black families.

01:55:34.000 Let's remember, this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent, the Central Park Five.

01:55:52.000 Took out a full-page ad calling for their execution.

01:55:56.000 This is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of the United States.

01:56:03.000 And I think the American people want better than that.

01:56:08.000 Want better than this.

01:56:10.000 Want someone who understands as I do, I travel our country.

01:56:15.000 We see in each other a friend.

01:56:18.000 We see in each other a neighbor.

01:56:20.000 We don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at each other.

01:56:28.000 I meet with people all the time who tell me, can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people?

01:56:41.000 Knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invests in those, not in hate and division.

01:56:54.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:56:55.000 Lindsey?

01:56:56.000 President Trump, this is now your third time. 1.00

01:56:58.000 Such a bullshit question. 1.00

01:56:59.000 This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country. 1.00

01:57:04.000 There's never been anything like it.

01:57:06.000 They're destroying our country and they come up with things like What she just said, going back many, many years, when a lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on the Central Park Five, they admitted, they said, they pled guilty.

01:57:22.000 And I said, well, if they pled guilty, they'd badly hurt a person, killed a person, ultimately.

01:57:27.000 And if they pled guilty, then they pled, we're not guilty.

01:57:30.000 But this is a person that has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago, because there's nothing now.

01:57:38.000 I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and I'm going to build it again.

01:57:43.000 It's going to be bigger, better and stronger.

01:58:10.000 I want to respond to that though.

01:58:12.000 I want to just respond briefly.

01:58:14.000 Clearly, I am not Joe Biden.

01:58:17.000 And I am certainly not Donald Trump.

01:58:20.000 And what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country.

01:58:24.000 One who believes in what is possible.

01:58:28.000 One who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people.

01:58:36.000 I believe in what we can do to To strengthen our small businesses, which is why I have a plan.

01:58:43.000 Let's talk about our plans and let's compare the plans.

01:58:48.000 I have a plan to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction.

01:58:55.000 To pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work.

01:59:01.000 I have a plan.

01:59:02.000 $6,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development.

01:59:11.000 I have a plan.

01:59:12.000 That is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting in terms of the American dream by offering help with down payment of $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time home buyers.

01:59:26.000 That's the kind of conversation, I believe, David, that people really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name-calling.

01:59:38.000 Let's turn the page and move forward.

01:59:40.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:59:41.000 Let's turn to policy.

01:59:42.000 We have to move on.

01:59:44.000 President Trump, let's turn to policy, please.

01:59:46.000 She has a plan to defund the police.

01:59:48.000 She has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun. 1.00

01:59:52.000 President Trump, we do have to move on to other issues.

01:59:55.000 In Pennsylvania or anywhere else.

01:59:57.000 That's what her plan is until just recently.

02:00:00.000 President Trump, this is now your third time running for president.

02:00:11.000 You have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

02:00:16.000 You have failed to accomplish that.

02:00:18.000 You now say you're going to keep Obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better.

02:00:22.000 Last month you said, quote, we're working on it.

02:00:25.000 So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan and can you tell us what it is?

02:00:31.000 Obamacare was lousy healthcare.

02:00:33.000 Always was.

02:00:34.000 It's not very good today.

02:00:36.000 And what I said, that if we come up with something and we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it.

02:00:42.000 But remember this.

02:00:43.000 I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it.

02:00:47.000 They wouldn't vote for it.

02:00:48.000 They were unanimous.

02:00:50.000 They wouldn't vote to change it.

02:00:51.000 If they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare.

02:00:55.000 But the Democrats came up.

02:00:57.000 They wouldn't vote for it.

02:00:58.000 I had a choice to make when I was president.

02:01:01.000 Do I save it and make it as good as it can be?

02:01:03.000 Never going to be great.

02:01:05.000 Or do I let it rot?

02:01:26.000 Yeah.

02:01:32.000 Yeah.

02:01:55.000 So, just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan?

02:02:00.000 I have concepts of a plan.

02:02:02.000 I'm not president right now.

02:02:06.000 We come up with something.

02:02:08.000 I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive.

02:02:12.000 And there are concepts and options we have to do that.

02:02:16.000 And you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future.

02:02:19.000 Vice President Harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run healthcare system.

02:02:26.000 Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option.

02:02:31.000 What is your plan today?

02:02:32.000 Well, first of all, I absolutely support, and over the last four years as Vice President, private healthcare options.

02:02:38.000 But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act.

02:02:42.000 But I'll get to that, Lindsay.

02:02:43.000 I just need to respond to a previous point that the former President has made.

02:02:47.000 I've made very clear my position on fracking, and then this business about taking everyone's guns away.

02:02:52.000 Tim Walz and I are both gun owners.

02:02:54.000 We're not taking anybody's guns away.

02:02:56.000 So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff.

02:02:59.000 As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand.

02:03:05.000 When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

02:03:10.000 60 times.

02:03:12.000 I was a senator at the time.

02:03:14.000 I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate.

02:03:21.000 And the late, great John McCain, who you have disparaged As being, you don't like him, you said at the time, because he got caught.

02:03:33.000 He was an American hero.

02:03:34.000 The late, great John McCain, I will never forget that night, walked onto the Senate floor and said, no, you don't.

02:03:41.000 No, you don't.

02:03:43.000 No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

02:03:45.000 You have no plan.

02:03:47.000 And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions.

02:03:55.000 I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like?

02:03:58.000 Remember when an insurance company could deny We're good to go.

02:04:10.000 We're good to go.

02:04:25.000 He never did.

02:04:26.000 We did.

02:04:27.000 And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month.

02:04:30.000 Since I've been vice president, we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year.

02:04:35.000 And when I am president, we will do that for all people, understanding that the value I bring to this Is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it.

02:04:49.000 And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it.

02:04:55.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:04:57.000 In terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.

02:04:58.000 I want to move to an issue that's important for a lot of- You made a mistake.

02:05:02.000 Number one, John McCain fought Obamacare for 10 years.

02:05:06.000 But it wasn't only him.

02:05:08.000 It were all of the Democrats that kept it going.

02:05:11.000 And you know what?

02:05:12.000 He ran against them, too.

02:05:13.000 We can do much better than Obamacare, much less money.

02:05:16.000 But she won't improve private insurance for people, private medical insurance. 0.99

02:05:22.000 That's another thing she doesn't want to get.

02:05:24.000 People are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private.

02:05:30.000 She wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait six months for an operation that you need immediately.

02:05:37.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:05:37.000 We have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans, in particular younger voters, and that's climate change.

02:05:44.000 President Trump.

02:05:45.000 With regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water.

02:05:49.000 Vice President Harris, you call climate change an existential threat.

02:05:53.000 The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change?

02:05:58.000 And Vice President Harris, we'll start with you.

02:05:59.000 One minute for you each.

02:06:01.000 Well, the former president had said that climate change is a hoax.

02:06:05.000 And what we know is that it is very real.

02:06:08.000 You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied home insurance or it's being jacked up.

02:06:16.000 You ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go.

02:06:24.000 We know that we can actually deal with this issue.

02:06:28.000 The young people of America care deeply about this issue.

02:06:31.000 And I am proud that as Vice President over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels.

02:06:43.000 We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been Vice President.

02:06:49.000 We have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world.

02:06:55.000 Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs.

02:06:58.000 He lost manufacturing jobs.

02:07:00.000 And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Sean Fein, who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American-made products, American automobiles.

02:07:14.000 It includes Growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump.

02:07:24.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:07:25.000 That didn't happen under Donald Trump.

02:07:27.000 Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month.

02:07:31.000 It's going.

02:07:32.000 They're all leaving.

02:07:33.000 They're building big auto plants in Mexico, in many cases owned by China.

02:07:39.000 They're building these massive plants, and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people.

02:07:46.000 What they have given to China is unbelievable.

02:07:49.000 But we're not going to let that.

02:07:51.000 We'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Autoworkers and any autoworker, whether it's in Detroit or South Carolina or any other place. 0.59

02:08:02.000 What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country is horrible.

02:08:07.000 We have nothing because they refuse.

02:08:11.000 Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid him millions of dollars.

02:08:15.000 He's afraid to do it between him and his son.

02:08:18.000 They get all this money from Ukraine.

02:08:20.000 They get all this money from all of these different countries.

02:08:23.000 And then you wonder, why is he so loyal to this one, that one, Ukraine, China? 0.61

02:08:27.000 Why is he?

02:08:28.000 Why did he get three and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow's wife?

02:08:32.000 Why did he get?

02:08:33.000 Why did she pay him three and a half million dollars? 0.80

02:08:37.000 This is a crooked administration, and they're selling our country down the tubes.

02:08:42.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:08:43.000 All right.

02:08:43.000 Thank you.

02:08:44.000 We'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates.

02:08:47.000 An historic night, this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia.

02:08:50.000 Back in a moment.

02:08:51.000 That was great.

02:08:52.000 He came back.

02:08:54.000 Cooked her on Afghanistan. 0.96

02:08:56.000 Cooked her on Ukraine and Russia.

02:08:59.000 I think ABC kind of was reaching there with the whole black question. 0.99

02:09:02.000 I don't know why the fuck they brought that up. 0.99

02:09:04.000 If you're going to go ahead and make a question like that, that's clearly putting him in a position of disadvantage because he has to answer something stupid like that, they should have asked her a question too like, hey, why do you constantly attack Trump's character or some shit like that? 0.99

02:09:19.000 I don't know. 0.98

02:09:20.000 I'm just giving you an example.

02:09:21.000 But like they asked him a question, they asked him a question about her.

02:09:25.000 They should have done the same just to make it even.

02:09:27.000 But what are your thoughts Suleiman on that portion?

02:09:28.000 I think he did a lot better there.

02:09:30.000 Yeah, he did better this time.

02:09:31.000 I would say that wasn't equal.

02:09:32.000 I thought that was equal.

02:09:33.000 I thought he did much better in Russia and Ukraine.

02:09:36.000 I thought the withdrawal in Afghanistan was a draw because we, before this debate, I always thought like Trump was like, did really well in Afghanistan and the Biden administration did really bad.

02:09:46.000 And she kind of exposed the fact that He didn't actually do the Afghanistan deal and they actually did the deal.

02:09:50.000 So that was something that he kind of didn't have a rebuttal for.

02:09:54.000 Race issue, she really smashed him on because remember, he's been talking a lot about race, how he cares about the black community, how he cares about the Hispanic community.

02:10:02.000 And so his answer was terrible.

02:10:05.000 Like what he should have said is, My argument wasn't about race.

02:10:08.000 My argument was that she lies.

02:10:09.000 I don't really care.

02:10:10.000 He kept on saying, I don't care.

02:10:10.000 I don't care.

02:10:11.000 I don't know why I said it.

02:10:12.000 He sounded really weak.

02:10:13.000 And then when he brought the Central Park Five, obviously, is a major issue in the US. Obviously, Donald Trump literally speaking out against those Central Park Five.

02:10:21.000 And then really, they were innocent.

02:10:23.000 That was so long ago, though.

02:10:24.000 The time they lost.

02:10:26.000 Obamacare, I think she did better on.

02:10:27.000 Climate change, I think he did better on.

02:10:29.000 So I think it was pretty even.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, them bringing up the Central Park Five, that was like a huge deflection.

02:10:35.000 Because at the time, everyone thought, it wasn't just Trump, everyone thought that those kids were guilty and did it.

02:10:41.000 So for her to just point him out and say, oh yeah, you said XYZ, it's like, yo, they pled guilty and everyone thought they did it at the time.

02:10:49.000 I mean, he had a huge impact though.

02:10:52.000 I mean, he didn't have the same presence of celebrity that he has now.

02:10:59.000 I would argue that Trump was, well, he's obviously more famous now being president or whatever, but he doesn't have the same level of stardom Back then that he has now. 0.97

02:11:10.000 You know, people were more focused on, like, fucking Mike Tyson and other shit back then. 0.96

02:11:14.000 Like, not him. 0.98

02:11:15.000 I mean, they didn't, but he was actually...

02:11:17.000 There was a few things that Trump's known for.

02:11:19.000 One is the Central Park 5 incident.

02:11:21.000 One is, obviously, Apprentice.

02:11:23.000 And one is, like, that few appearances...

02:11:25.000 That blew up after he ran for president.

02:11:28.000 That whole Central Park thing, they brought that back up after he ran for...

02:11:31.000 Like, a lot of this stuff came back out when he became president.

02:11:34.000 Like, it wasn't as big at the time.

02:11:36.000 You know what I mean?

02:11:36.000 It's just...

02:11:37.000 I don't know.

02:11:38.000 I knew about it myself.

02:11:40.000 I just find it interesting how they're bringing that up now.

02:11:44.000 Well, it's basically because what's happened is Trump's been talking a lot about the black community, the Hispanic community, and this is to basically remind everyone, like, blacks, you should vote Democrat. 0.65

02:11:52.000 Yeah, he should just stay away from race.

02:11:54.000 Because the problem is that as a Caucasian male, he's never going to get the benefit of the doubt.

02:12:00.000 So he should just stay away from race altogether. 0.60

02:12:03.000 Well, he does both.

02:12:04.000 He does bad, doesn't he?

02:12:05.000 Because what he does is he's not talking about white people, which is his base.

02:12:08.000 And then he's talking a lot about minorities.

02:12:11.000 And then they've got these slam dunks against him in terms of his past.

02:12:13.000 So it's kind of like one of those poison chalices.

02:12:16.000 Yeah.

02:12:18.000 Chat, look, you're getting two different perspectives here.

02:12:21.000 As you guys know, I'm far more right.

02:12:23.000 Suleiman is a bit more left, so you guys are getting two different perspectives here, and I think it's good.

02:12:27.000 Which, by the way, what do we got?

02:12:30.000 Mo, Bill, what do you guys think?

02:12:31.000 Should we switch the switch now, or switch the switch after the debate?

02:12:37.000 What do y'all think?

02:12:40.000 We still got commercials?

02:12:41.000 I think so, yeah.

02:12:43.000 Still got commercial?

02:12:43.000 Okay.

02:12:45.000 What's up, Mo?

02:12:47.000 Oh, I don't know if we got time.

02:12:49.000 Airtable.

02:12:49.000 We gotta do Airtable.

02:12:50.000 We got time for it?

02:12:52.000 Yeah, we got time.

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02:14:23.000 Let the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us.

02:14:28.000 And we can chart a new way forward.

02:14:31.000 And a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people, which is why I intend to create An opportunity economy, investing in small businesses,

02:14:48.000 in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living.

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02:15:17.000 I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. 0.96

02:15:28.000 I'll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor.

02:15:31.000 I was the DA, I was an Attorney General, a United States Senator, and now Vice President.

02:15:35.000 I've only had one client, the people.

02:15:38.000 And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or a Democrat?

02:15:45.000 The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?

02:15:49.000 And that's the kind of president we need right now.

02:15:52.000 Someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.

02:15:57.000 I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.

02:16:10.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:16:13.000 President Trump?

02:16:15.000 So she just started by saying she's gonna do this, she's gonna do that, she's gonna do all these wonderful things.

02:16:20.000 Why hasn't she done it?

02:16:23.000 She's been there for three and a half years.

02:16:25.000 They've had three and a half years to fix the border.

02:16:28.000 They've had three and a half years to Create jobs and all the things we talked about.

02:16:33.000 Why hasn't she done it?

02:16:36.000 She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do. 0.89

02:16:43.000 But you haven't done it, and you won't do it.

02:16:45.000 Because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in.

02:16:49.000 You believe in things like, we're not going to frack, we're not going to take fossil fuel, we're not going to do...

02:16:55.000 Things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not.

02:16:59.000 Germany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants.

02:17:05.000 We're not ready for it.

02:17:07.000 We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.

02:17:11.000 But I just ask one simple question.

02:17:14.000 Why didn't she do it? 0.83

02:17:16.000 We're a failing nation.

02:17:18.000 We're a nation that's in serious decline.

02:17:21.000 We're being laughed at all over the world.

02:17:23.000 All over the world they laugh.

02:17:24.000 I know the leaders very well.

02:17:26.000 They're coming to see me.

02:17:27.000 They call me.

02:17:28.000 We're laughed at all over the world.

02:17:30.000 They don't understand what happened to us as a nation.

02:17:33.000 We're not a leader.

02:17:34.000 We don't have any idea what's going on.

02:17:37.000 We have wars going on in the Middle East.

02:17:39.000 We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine.

02:17:43.000 We're going to end up in a third world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry.

02:17:50.000 I rebuilt our entire military.

02:17:53.000 She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban.

02:17:57.000 She gave it to Afghanistan.

02:17:59.000 What these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country. 1.00

02:18:07.000 Many of them are criminals and they're destroying our country. 0.75

02:18:10.000 The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country. 0.99

02:18:16.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:18:17.000 And that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center.

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02:18:31.000 So, Chad, we're going to be reacting to this now and going back through it.

02:18:34.000 So this is what I'm going to do.

02:18:35.000 I'm going to end the YouTube stream here.

02:18:36.000 And we are here live on...

02:18:39.000 Mute it real quick, guys.

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02:18:44.000 We're going to drop the Twitch link in here. 0.98

02:18:45.000 Let's get over to a thousand fucking people watching this thing on Twitch and let's blow it up. 0.89

02:18:49.000 So come on over, guys. 0.98

02:18:50.000 We saw the debate on YouTube.

02:18:52.000 Now we're going to go ahead and give some of the reactions to it.

02:18:54.000 So guys, come on over to Twitch right now.

02:18:55.000 Like I said before, we're building this thing up.

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02:19:01.000 That's where we're going to be streaming predominantly.

02:19:02.000 But obviously, this is a special occasion with the debate.

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02:19:07.000 Watch us on Rumble as well, guys, because Rumble is the free speech.

02:19:10.000 Twitch is how we get to the normies.

02:19:11.000 So we can go ahead and have this more base way of thinking.

02:19:13.000 We got Suleiman in the house as well, so you guys are going to be able to hear the other perspective on things. 0.94

02:19:17.000 We don't want a fucking echo chamber in here, which is why we were able to have a good discussion. 0.92

02:19:20.000 So come on over, guys, because I'll tell you this. 0.97

02:19:22.000 All the other political commentators don't have someone else that swings on the left.

02:19:25.000 Talking with them. 0.97

02:19:26.000 They're just going to go ahead and have their echo chambers and just talk shit about Kamala the whole time and not necessarily hear another perspective. 1.00

02:19:31.000 So we're going to give the best commentary on this shit. 0.99

02:19:33.000 So come on over. 0.98

02:19:34.000 We're going to end the YouTube stream here.

02:19:36.000 Come on over to Twitch.

02:19:38.000 Come on ninjas.

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02:19:59.000 And we're going to have a great conversation on this situation. 0.70

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02:20:19.000 Yeah, guys, we're demonetized on YouTube, so we're going over to Twitch. 0.97

02:20:23.000 Let's fucking do it. 0.91

02:20:26.000 Definitely come over to Rumble. 0.98

02:20:27.000 I think this is literally the only stream where you've got someone from a different perspective.

02:20:32.000 Yeah, I'm looking right now, all the other political commentators, they all, it's only just, you know, right-wing guys on there.

02:20:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:20:39.000 I'm looking right now, Bongino, Crowder, yeah, all the big guys on the right, they're all just, it's, I like them, I love these guys, but it's, you know, they're not having someone else with a different perspective on, so...

02:20:53.000 It's an echo chamber, isn't it?

02:20:55.000 I mean, one of my apps, I know we're on Rumble, but one of the things about Rumble is it is just a MAGA platform, so I think this is the only stream that has someone else.

02:21:03.000 Yep.

02:21:04.000 So we're switching this thing up.

02:21:07.000 Cool, we got 2,000 of y'all ninjas almost on Twitch.

02:21:10.000 Let's blow this thing up, man.

02:21:11.000 Let's come on over.

02:21:14.000 Alright, so we have a lot to talk about, Suleiman.

02:21:19.000 I guess you want to start with inflation first?

02:21:22.000 Yeah, let's start with that, with the economy.

02:21:25.000 That was the first thing.

02:21:26.000 Like, first of all, overall, I think, I'm not just being biased, but I think Harris won.

02:21:30.000 Okay.

02:21:30.000 I thought that an even debate would really perpetuate her and catapult her in the race.

02:21:37.000 And what's happened is I think she's actually dominated on a lot of issues.

02:21:40.000 If you look at...

02:21:41.000 So policies, she was stating more policies than he was, which was surprising.

02:21:46.000 And even his rhetoric wasn't that great.

02:21:48.000 Like a couple of points he made, we were like laughing because he was the old Trump, but he didn't do it throughout the debate.

02:21:53.000 What she did was replace that with emotions.

02:21:56.000 And emotions do impact people, impacts the left, impacts women, impacts liberals, impacts even some like feminized men, impacts the huge people from the left.

02:22:05.000 So the entire strategy that she did Was brilliant from a strategy perspective.

02:22:11.000 I thought with Trump, he wasn't as great.

02:22:15.000 He wasn't as detailed.

02:22:15.000 I think he got used to Biden.

02:22:17.000 And those debates were obviously a lot more easier for him.

02:22:19.000 So just from an overall debate perspective, I think that's what happened.

02:22:22.000 I don't know if you want to talk about that first and then I'll go on to the conversation.

02:22:24.000 You know what?

02:22:25.000 I want to hear.

02:22:27.000 Let's hear a little bit of like what ABC is saying.

02:22:29.000 And then like me and you could definitely like, because let's see what these guys got to say.

02:22:33.000 And then we'll go back to it.

02:22:35.000 Can we pull it up real quick?

02:22:36.000 And that is exactly what his allies and his advisors did not want to see.

02:22:40.000 I can tell you, I do not think that part of Donald Trump's debate prep was people eating dogs in Springfield or comparing rally sizes.

02:22:48.000 They wanted him to stay focused on the issues, especially the ones that he has an edge on Harris, economy and immigration.

02:22:53.000 I mean, you want to get under Donald Trump's skin, you question the people at his rallies.

02:22:58.000 And that was something else.

02:22:59.000 Martha, you have...

02:23:00.000 I have with us right now Governor Tim Walz, of course, the Democratic vice presidential candidate.

02:23:06.000 Welcome, Governor Walz.

02:23:07.000 How are you feeling?

02:23:08.000 What's your reaction to the debate tonight?

02:23:11.000 Martha, I'm feeling great because what I knew and I think so many knew and now many Americans know is you saw a president for all America in Kamala Harris.

02:23:20.000 You saw the confidence.

02:23:21.000 You saw the vision.

02:23:22.000 You saw the poise.

02:23:23.000 And you saw the compassion for people.

02:23:25.000 Understanding she spoke about an economy that moves us forward, moves all of us forward, lets everybody be a part of it.

02:23:31.000 And she continued to lay that out, whether it's reproductive freedom or how we start small businesses or making homeownership easier. 0.99

02:23:38.000 And on the other side, You saw a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump, angry, unhinged, and as you've been discussing, talking about things that are deeply concerning because they make no impact on the American public.

02:23:51.000 He shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

02:23:53.000 And I have to tell you, if it weren't so dangerous, it reminds you of an old man yelling at the clouds.

02:23:59.000 That was his thing.

02:23:59.000 Get off my yard.

02:24:00.000 That's what he did in my life.

02:24:02.000 Contrast that with the poison in the air.

02:24:05.000 It's laying out the confusion for everything that matters. 0.99

02:24:07.000 Oh, his audio's fucked up. 0.97

02:24:08.000 I think... 0.98

02:24:10.000 The whole country can see what happened tonight.

02:24:12.000 We'll keep pushing forward.

02:24:13.000 That's the way that the country wants to see our politics be.

02:24:16.000 She laid it out clearly.

02:24:18.000 Donald Trump brought nothing tonight.

02:24:20.000 Anger, resentment.

02:24:24.000 Governor Walz, I do want to ask you, she did not answer questions on abortion restrictions.

02:24:31.000 She never really answered that question.

02:24:33.000 Can you clear that up where the Harris-Waltz ticket stands on that?

02:24:40.000 Certainly, and you couldn't get any different than this.

02:24:41.000 The reinstitution of Roe v.

02:24:43.000 Wade, what was the law of the land, for 52 years, you saw this in there.

02:24:50.000 And him pushing back to the stage, she's exactly right.

02:24:53.000 It's people like Amanda in Texas, which everybody saw on the stage in Chicago, nearly bleeding out, having sepsis twice because she can't get the care.

02:25:00.000 She's been absolutely clear on this.

02:25:02.000 Everything Donald Trump said that is untrue.

02:25:04.000 The clarity of this is Roe.

02:25:06.000 When you have Roe, you have the protections in place where women make their own decisions with their health care providers, not Donald Trump. 1.00

02:25:15.000 Okay, thanks so very much for joining us, Governor Walz.

02:25:17.000 John?

02:25:18.000 And we have the other side of the ticket.

02:25:20.000 We have Senator J.D. Vance, Donald Trump's running mate, joining us now.

02:25:24.000 Senator Vance, thank you for joining us.

02:25:27.000 Thanks, John.

02:25:28.000 I appreciate it.

02:25:29.000 So I want to get to one part of the debate where you came up.

02:25:34.000 Donald Trump was asked if he would veto a national abortion ban.

02:25:39.000 He didn't answer the question, suggested, I guess, that he wouldn't.

02:25:44.000 And then it was pointed out that you, in fact, said not that long ago that he would veto a national abortion ban.

02:25:51.000 Can you explain the mix-up here?

02:25:55.000 Well, I think the president's been very clear that he doesn't want a national abortion ban.

02:25:59.000 I think in some ways he finds the question a little bit ridiculous because why are we asking him about legislation that's never going to actually happen and why he would veto it or not veto it when he says very explicitly that he doesn't support a national abortion ban and he wants these policies to be made by the states.

02:26:14.000 But I think there's a deeper and more important issue here in this debate, which is that you had Kamala Harris effectively echoing platitude after platitude after platitude The American people can't pay their grocery bills on platitudes. 0.81

02:26:27.000 They can't put their kids in a house on platitudes.

02:26:30.000 And Kamala Harris had a lot to say, but very little actual substance behind it for how she's going to lower grocery prices, secure the border, and make housing more affordable in this country. 1.00

02:26:40.000 She's been the vice president for three and a half years.

02:26:43.000 She can't run on a record, and she apparently can't run on much of her plans either because it's just a lot of slogans and not a whole lot of substance.

02:26:50.000 But Senator Vance, why won't he just say that he would veto the national abortion ban?

02:26:54.000 And by the way, had you spoken to him about it before you were put in a position to answer that question?

02:27:00.000 No, I hadn't spoken to him about it because again, Donald Trump thinks the question is absurd because he doesn't support a national abortion ban and he's been explicit about it.

02:27:08.000 And John, I think that it's so preposterous for the media to focus so much on an issue where Donald Trump has been crystal clear And not on the fact that people can't afford groceries and housing because of Kamala Harris's policies.

02:27:22.000 This election is actually quite simple.

02:27:24.000 And Kamala Harris and apparently the media would like to distract Americans on issues by the way that Donald Trump's been crystal clear about. 0.85

02:27:31.000 But they're not talking nearly enough.

02:27:33.000 This debate didn't talk nearly enough about the fact that Americans are struggling because they can't afford groceries.

02:27:39.000 They can't afford And a lot of their kids are dying of fentanyl overdoses because Kamala Harris has let the Mexican drug cartels take over the southern border.

02:27:48.000 This is a disgrace what's going on in our country, John.

02:27:50.000 And we could do so much better if we just had better leadership.

02:27:53.000 We've got the best workers, the most beautiful country, the best natural resources.

02:27:57.000 But Kamala Harris's leadership is squandering the great benefits of this country.

02:28:02.000 It's why we've got to get back to Donald Trump's leadership.

02:28:05.000 Senator, by the way, I asked because he hadn't been crystal clear and he said something different than what you said.

02:28:09.000 That's why I was seeking clarification.

02:28:10.000 But let me ask you about this, just very quickly. 0.95

02:28:13.000 I heard Donald Trump before this debate describe Kamala Harris as, I'll just read a few of them, a low IQ individual, somebody who doesn't have the mental capacity to be president, really dumb, unable to put two sentences together. 0.95

02:28:27.000 Is that what you saw on the stage tonight? 0.97

02:28:30.000 John, what I saw was a lot of slogans.

02:28:33.000 I think the American people are smart and Kamala Harris talks to them like their children.

02:28:37.000 She repeats these ridiculous platitudes where if you actually think about what she said, you realize that it doesn't make any sense.

02:28:44.000 She talks a lot about her plans, but then her plans, when you analyze the substance, don't make any sense.

02:28:50.000 And more importantly, John, The American people don't get fed on plans.

02:28:54.000 She has been the vice president for three and a half years.

02:28:56.000 What she can't do, refuses to do, and has no ability to do, is to say, I accomplished lower prices because she didn't.

02:29:03.000 Or I accomplished lower housing prices because she didn't. 1.00

02:29:07.000 Or I secured the southern border because she didn't do that. 1.00

02:29:09.000 She has failed as vice president.

02:29:11.000 And the fundamental question is, do we want to give her a promotion? 0.83

02:29:14.000 I think the answer has to be no, John.

02:29:16.000 All right.

02:29:16.000 Senator Vance, thank you for joining us, Mary.

02:29:19.000 One thing both sides can agree on, this was a consequential night in this race.

02:29:22.000 More reaction when we come back.

02:29:23.000 Stay with us.

02:29:24.000 Interesting.

02:29:28.000 Let's go to Fox.

02:29:29.000 Can we go to Fox real quick?

02:29:30.000 I want to see their breakdown, because obviously that's from ABC, which is a left-leaning news organization.

02:29:34.000 I want to see what Fox is saying.

02:29:37.000 If you don't mind, Bills.

02:29:40.000 So, Mel, what's your thoughts on that?

02:29:43.000 Yeah, I mean, I think Jodie Vance came across a lot more good, better, actually.

02:29:47.000 And I would say now, looking at that, I think Jodie Vance will be in their debate.

02:29:52.000 Looking at that, we'll have to see.

02:29:54.000 But in terms of, again, coming back to the point, if anything, the fact that Vance answered the question and Trump didn't makes it look bad on Trump.

02:30:01.000 I think Trump was way too vague on too many issues.

02:30:05.000 And I think...

02:30:07.000 Kamala was very specific.

02:30:08.000 So once we get down to the issues, I'll break it down as well as what my thoughts were and how even some of the issues where Trump was going way too left and he's alienating his own base.

02:30:15.000 I just think he didn't do a great job, generally speaking.

02:30:19.000 Yeah.

02:30:21.000 Bills, you got it?

02:30:23.000 Unburdened by common sense.

02:30:25.000 And here she was tonight.

02:30:26.000 She was composed.

02:30:28.000 She was prepared.

02:30:29.000 She kept her cool.

02:30:30.000 She saw advantages.

02:30:32.000 She baited him successfully, which is the story of the debate, in my view.

02:30:38.000 So she came out ahead in this, in my opinion, no doubt.

02:30:42.000 Now, whether it'll move the needle in the race, very few things seem to.

02:30:45.000 But that remains to be seen.

02:30:49.000 What are you going to say?

02:30:50.000 Does it move the needle, though?

02:30:51.000 It may or may not.

02:30:53.000 But think about this.

02:30:54.000 Most people didn't know her.

02:30:55.000 They heard the lead-up that she was going to be unprepared, that she was a cackler, that she had mismanaged things.

02:31:02.000 You watched this tonight, and you don't know much about this, you say, all right, when am I going to see that person?

02:31:06.000 Because you saw a different person this evening.

02:31:08.000 Now, I'm delighted that there's going to be a second debate.

02:31:11.000 At least there's an eagerness and a willingness on the part of me to do it again.

02:31:14.000 Because I think these questions should be asked of the Vice President about the shift in positions.

02:31:19.000 But what I don't get, and all of you all, I respect everybody on this panel, why didn't he ask these questions of her?

02:31:24.000 I mean, if you believe that your candidacy is that important to the country, I didn't think he'd be mean-spirited about it.

02:31:30.000 He had some moments where he was a little mean.

02:31:32.000 He could have asked the question about the shifting positions.

02:31:36.000 Now, should the moderators have done it?

02:31:37.000 No doubt.

02:31:38.000 But if I was on that stage, I would have asked those questions.

02:31:41.000 Tonight, she won.

02:31:43.000 If she's asking for another debate, though, they don't think she won this debate, hands down.

02:31:48.000 I would be, to Dana's point, saying, bike drop, we're done.

02:31:53.000 They don't think that she's in a position right now to win this race. 0.74

02:31:57.000 They need another debate.

02:31:58.000 I don't disagree.

02:31:58.000 I think it's an even race.

02:31:59.000 I just think she won tonight.

02:32:01.000 Let's hope that they say yes, and again, we have the formal invite out This has been quite something because there was a lot of buildup to this moment.

02:32:10.000 There was a lot of buildup.

02:32:12.000 The question is, how many people watched for how long and how much did it move this race?

02:32:18.000 Because it's as tight a race as we have ever seen in this country.

02:32:23.000 And last time we sat here, Joe Biden was running against President Trump.

02:32:26.000 So who knows what's going to happen next.

02:32:28.000 Thank you all for tuning in tonight and joining us for the presidential debate.

02:32:32.000 Hannity is up right now.

02:32:38.000 So, it's going to be interesting.

02:32:39.000 I want to see what Hannity says because he's a hardcore Trump supporter.

02:32:41.000 Let's see what he says.

02:32:43.000 Hannity, we are live, we are in the spin room, and we are in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where the first and only scheduled debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris is officially now in the books.

02:32:55.000 In just a moment, we're going to get reaction from Senator Marco Rubio, Senator Ted Cruz, Trump's running mate J.D. Vance, and Robert Kennedy Jr.

02:33:04.000 But first, in case you missed it, here's how it all went down.

02:33:08.000 I don't say her because she has no policy.

02:33:10.000 Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.

02:33:15.000 She's going to my philosophy now.

02:33:17.000 In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat.

02:33:19.000 She's gone to my philosophy.

02:33:20.000 But if she ever got elected, she'd change it.

02:33:23.000 And it will be the end of our country.

02:33:26.000 She's a Marxist.

02:33:27.000 Everybody knows she's a Marxist.

02:33:29.000 Will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month? 0.98

02:33:32.000 Come on.

02:33:33.000 Okay, would you do that?

02:33:35.000 Why don't you ask her that question?

02:33:37.000 That's the problem.

02:33:38.000 Because under Roe v.

02:33:39.000 Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month. 1.00

02:33:45.000 They allowed criminals.

02:33:47.000 Many, many millions of criminals.

02:33:49.000 They allowed terrorists.

02:33:50.000 They allowed common street criminals.

02:33:53.000 They allowed people to come in, drug dealers, to come into our country. 0.98

02:33:56.000 And they're now in the United States.

02:33:58.000 Fracking?

02:33:58.000 She's been against it for 12 years.

02:34:01.000 Defund the police.

02:34:02.000 She's been against that forever.

02:34:04.000 She gave all that stuff up very wrongly, very horribly, and everybody's laughing at it, okay?

02:34:14.000 All right, what you didn't hear tonight was any substance from Kamala Harris about pretty much anything.

02:34:18.000 She delivered a lot of pre-rehearsed, memorized platitudes, lines, plenty of attacks. 0.91

02:34:23.000 This was, I hate Trump, I hate Trump, I hate Trump, and I hate Trump more.

02:34:27.000 Anyway, with lots of kind of weird faces and expressions, we still don't have answers.

02:34:33.000 Where she stands on defunding the police, electric vehicle mandates, mandatory gun confiscation, which she lied about, Medicare for All, the $93 trillion Green New Deal she co-sponsored in the U.S. Senate with Bernie Sanders, banning plastic straws,

02:34:49.000 reducing red meat consumption, up to a 70 or 80 percent income tax rate by economics.

02:34:56.000 We call it Bidenomics, and we're proud of it.

02:34:58.000 Offshore drilling, fracking, decriminalizing illegal immigration, free housing, healthcare, education, college education, and now sex change surgery provided by taxpayers.

02:35:11.000 We didn't hear about the border wall that she was against, that now she's for, and we didn't hear about illegal immigrants and returning home.

02:35:19.000 Late-term abortion.

02:35:20.000 She didn't answer the question about restrictions, about months seven, eight, and nine.

02:35:25.000 And the list goes on and on.

02:35:27.000 Left-wing moderators, the biggest loser of the night, ABC Disney, Bob Iger's network.

02:35:32.000 It was a disgrace.

02:35:34.000 They barely asked her about important issues.

02:35:36.000 We've got 56 days until an election.

02:35:39.000 Early voting starts in this commonwealth in seven days.

02:35:43.000 You know, in between so-called fact-checking and clapbacks only against Donald Trump, because Kamala didn't offer any details on her own, as predicted, tonight's debate was three on one.

02:35:54.000 Anyway, joining us now from the spin room, Florida Senator, my Senator, free state of Florida, Marco Rubio.

02:35:59.000 Senator, how are you?

02:36:00.000 Thank you.

02:36:00.000 He was doing a big gaggle before.

02:36:02.000 I walked over and away.

02:36:03.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 Tapping on the back.

02:36:04.000 He's my senator.

02:36:05.000 They were impressed.

02:36:06.000 The reporters were impressed.

02:36:07.000 The biggest, I think, failure for the country tonight was ABC. Yeah, it's an embarrassment.

02:36:14.000 It's an embarrassment to journalism.

02:36:15.000 I mean, literally, there were times where they would say, Donald Trump, why did you do or say this horrible thing?

02:36:20.000 And then the question to Kamala Harris is, what do you think about the horrible thing that Donald Trump did?

02:36:25.000 There was no...

02:36:26.000 Listen, they didn't ask her.

02:36:28.000 Grocery bills are up 50% from 2020.

02:36:31.000 50%.

02:36:32.000 What do you say about that, Kamala Harris?

02:36:33.000 How are you going to deal with that?

02:36:34.000 They didn't ask her about the Afghan.

02:36:36.000 They let her get away with this lie that Joe Biden didn't withdraw us from Afghanistan.

02:36:39.000 Joe Biden was run out of Afghanistan in humiliating fashion.

02:36:44.000 Even the fact checkers were wrong, where she said, oh, there's no state in the country where there's a lot.

02:36:47.000 There are multiple states in this country, including Tim Walz's Minnesota, where if a baby is born in a botched abortion, they allow the baby to die.

02:36:55.000 And then they let her get away with not answering what restrictions.

02:36:59.000 She would be supportive of it.

02:37:01.000 See, this is a frustrating thing is when you have three on one and you have a fact like you just laid out about Tim Walz and his position on late-term abortion.

02:37:11.000 And Donald Trump was 100% right.

02:37:13.000 He was talking about Governor Northam.

02:37:14.000 Well, first the baby will be born and we'll make the baby comfortable and then the doctor will talk to the mother.

02:37:20.000 But that's not the point.

02:37:21.000 Months 7th, 8th and 9th.

02:37:24.000 Even people I know that are pro-choice, that would be infanticide.

02:37:27.000 Of course.

02:37:28.000 But here's the bottom line.

02:37:30.000 Americans know Donald Trump.

02:37:31.000 He was their president.

02:37:32.000 He's been campaigning now since 2016.

02:37:34.000 They know his positions.

02:37:35.000 They know very little about Kamala Harris.

02:37:37.000 Tonight, for the first time, despite the best efforts of these moderators, Americans began to learn that this was someone who was raising money to bail rioters out of jail.

02:37:45.000 This was someone who said she wanted to defund ICE. This was someone who basically said that we should be paying for the sex change operations of illegal migrants in detention.

02:37:54.000 This was someone who accused the Border Patrol of whipping Haitian migrants at the border.

02:37:58.000 And this is someone that has been in the White House for four years, talking about all these things she's going to do.

02:38:02.000 They've done none of them.

02:38:03.000 She talks about immigration and this bill.

02:38:05.000 They have the power in the law right now to enforce our immigration laws. 0.74

02:38:09.000 She has no campaign plan.

02:38:11.000 She just invaded her policy plan. 0.98

02:38:12.000 It was literally, I'm not saying this, New Republic, a liberal left-wing magazine is saying it.

02:38:17.000 She literally cut and pasted it from the Joe Biden platform.

02:38:20.000 She did cut and paste it.

02:38:21.000 And so think about it.

02:38:22.000 She is Joe Biden and worse because of what she stood for in 2019. 1.00

02:38:25.000 56 days.

02:38:26.000 Just bear with me the list.

02:38:28.000 No restrictions on abortion for her and her running mate.

02:38:33.000 Mandatory gun buyback.

02:38:34.000 She lied about that at the end of the debate.

02:38:37.000 No border wall, decriminalizing illegal immigration, free housing, healthcare, education, free college in Minnesota, legal driver's licenses.

02:38:45.000 We've had murder, we've had rape, we've had violent crime.

02:38:49.000 And now we're going to offer, what, taxpayer-funded sex change operations.

02:38:52.000 She supports reparations.

02:38:54.000 The $93 trillion Green New Deal, which would be the end of capitalism, she co-sponsored it. 0.92

02:39:00.000 Government health care for all, the elimination of private health insurance.

02:39:04.000 How does ABC not bring that up?

02:39:06.000 Not a single one of those things was asked.

02:39:08.000 How did they not bring up radical Islamic terrorism? 0.99

02:39:12.000 President Trump did a good job of injecting that in there and in the end of the debate he said the most important thing and that is She's been there for four years.

02:39:19.000 All these things she's promising, they haven't done.

02:39:22.000 And frankly, she wouldn't answer the most important question she was asked all night.

02:39:25.000 She was asked this, are Americans better off today than they were four years ago?

02:39:29.000 She didn't even answer it.

02:39:31.000 She went on to talk about how she was born to a middle-class family, raised in Canada for part of that time in what apparently is not a middle-class neighborhood.

02:39:38.000 But nonetheless, she went into her biography.

02:39:40.000 And I think she was exposed tonight.

02:39:42.000 The talking heads, you know, they analyzed this because they all want to pretend like Kamala Harris was born on July 24th of this year.

02:39:48.000 She has a record.

02:39:49.000 She has a record as a senator, and she has a record as vice president.

02:39:52.000 And Americans tonight got a glimpse of what she really believes, what she really stands for, and what direction she'll actually take our country.

02:39:59.000 And I think that was a big win.

02:40:00.000 A big win.

02:40:01.000 Does this move the needle in your view?

02:40:03.000 I think it does, because there's a lot of voters.

02:40:04.000 Remember, voters in the real world don't analyze this like the people that talk on cable news.

02:40:08.000 They're viewing it in their mindset, okay, who's this lady? 0.85

02:40:11.000 And they start hearing these things.

02:40:12.000 Hold on a second.

02:40:13.000 She helped bail out rioters?

02:40:14.000 Hold on a second.

02:40:15.000 She wouldn't answer the question about at what point should an abortion not be allowed, you know, the day before the due date? 0.96

02:40:20.000 She wouldn't answer that question.

02:40:22.000 They pick up on these things.

02:40:23.000 And for her to brag about Afghanistan, she bragged about Afghanistan.

02:40:26.000 She said, Joe Biden, he was run out of there.

02:40:30.000 And not only did he run out of there, we lost $90 billion worth of American equipment that they're parading down the street.

02:40:35.000 There are a lot of real people in the real world who are not political junkies who are going to vote and decide this election, who watched tonight.

02:40:41.000 They saw the man that was president, and they remember their lives were better when he was president.

02:40:45.000 They were safer.

02:40:46.000 They were more prosperous.

02:40:47.000 We were more respected in the world.

02:40:48.000 And then they saw this person.

02:40:49.000 They didn't know a lot about her.

02:40:50.000 And now they're beginning to learn facts about her that I think will be decisive.

02:40:54.000 Senator, great to see you.

02:40:55.000 Thank you.

02:40:55.000 Appreciate it.

02:40:56.000 Thank you.

02:40:56.000 Now, according to the Washington Post, the Harris campaign is now saying they want a second debate.

02:41:03.000 What does that tell us?

02:41:04.000 Joining us with more reactions to tonight's debate.

02:41:06.000 She thinks she was an easy win.

02:41:08.000 Senator, how do you interpret that and your overall thoughts on the debate tonight?

02:41:12.000 Well, listen, I'm skeptical that Kamala's team will have her do a second debate. 0.90

02:41:16.000 I think they're going to back out of that.

02:41:17.000 I think they're going to send her back to Joe Biden's basement.

02:41:20.000 I think we probably will not see Kamala emerge again from the basement, sort of like the groundhog in her shadow.

02:41:25.000 She's not going to come out again from the basement until election night. 0.93

02:41:29.000 Other than to go for rallies and read from teleprompters.

02:41:33.000 And listen, I gotta say tonight, what Kamala demonstrated is number one, she cannot defend her disastrous record.

02:41:40.000 Her record is an absolute train wreck.

02:41:43.000 So instead what she did, what we saw tonight in this quote debate, Was her repeating memorized set pieces from her stump speech and from her convention speech.

02:41:52.000 The very opening question, the most important question in any election, are you better off now than you were four years ago?

02:41:59.000 She refused to answer that because she couldn't answer that.

02:42:01.000 Because nobody, unless you are a Mexican drug lord, nobody else is better off than they were four years ago. 0.92

02:42:08.000 So she didn't answer that.

02:42:10.000 Instead, she's like, I'm from a middle class family.

02:42:12.000 I want things better for you.

02:42:14.000 And no aspect On inflation, she didn't address that she cast the tie-breaking vote on trillions of dollars of spending that caused inflation hurting Americans across this country.

02:42:25.000 On energy, she didn't address that she and Joe Biden have waged war on American energy over and over and over again, driving up the cost of gasoline and everything else for Americans.

02:42:36.000 On the border, she didn't address her own personal responsibility, the invasion, the crime, the murders, the women sexually assaulted, the children brutalized.

02:42:46.000 She didn't take responsibility for any of that.

02:42:50.000 And then on foreign policy, I actually thought on foreign policy she was the weakest.

02:42:54.000 It was absurd. 0.95

02:42:56.000 When she turned to Donald Trump and says, well, everyone knows you were weak and ineffective.

02:43:00.000 Listen, if Donald Trump were still in the White House, the two wars that broke out under her leadership and Joe Biden's would not have happened.

02:43:08.000 Russia would not have invaded Ukraine and we would not have the war in In Israel, and she took no responsibility for that weakness, nor did she have a word to say about the over $100 billion that she and Joe Biden have flowed to Iran.

02:43:25.000 All of her records she ran away from, and I gotta say, the ABC moderators were complicit in her running a completely fact-free debate performance.

02:43:37.000 I think that's well said, Senator.

02:43:39.000 I mean, and there's so much that we don't understand.

02:43:41.000 Defund, dismantle, reimagine ICE, the police, the Minneapolis.

02:43:45.000 They wanted to talk about January 6th.

02:43:47.000 There were 600 riots in the summer of 2020.

02:43:49.000 She tweets out the Minnesota Bail Fund four days after the police precinct is burned.

02:43:55.000 And, you know, they won't stop.

02:43:57.000 They shouldn't stop.

02:43:58.000 We're not going to stop all things that she said. 1.00

02:44:01.000 18 to 24-year-olds are stupid. 1.00

02:44:04.000 Abolish the filibuster to pass the Green New Deal. 1.00

02:44:06.000 Inflation is transitory.

02:44:08.000 The border is secure.

02:44:09.000 We're proud of Bidenomics.

02:44:10.000 The country needs to be woke.

02:44:12.000 We'll never deport illegals. 0.86

02:44:14.000 And now we're going to give free sex change operations to convicted felons and illegal immigrants. 0.99

02:44:20.000 How is that going to go over in your state of Texas?

02:44:23.000 I would imagine not so well.

02:44:25.000 Look, it goes over terribly, but what you just did, what I just did, is what the Trump campaign needs to do between now and Election Day, which is lay out the actual facts of her record, because she won't confront them.

02:44:38.000 So, for example, on abortion, she said, no, no, no, I'm not for late-term abortions, eight- and nine-month abortions.

02:44:45.000 She has voted for legislation that would legalize abortion up until the moment of birth.

02:44:51.000 When she says, I don't know what you're talking about, abortion after birth, well, Kamala Harris voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which says that if in the course of an abortion a baby is alive, is breathing, is outside of the womb, you can't just kill the baby.

02:45:06.000 She voted no.

02:45:07.000 And so her actual record Needs to be systematically laid out when it comes to crime. 1.00

02:45:14.000 This is someone who has supported defund the police.

02:45:17.000 This is someone who has supported defund ICE. This is someone, Kamala Harris, who compared ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, to the KKK. But we need to make sure those facts get before the American people because ABC is not going to do it.

02:45:33.000 The corporate media is not going to do it.

02:45:36.000 And listen, her radical record is radical the same way my opponent, Colin Allred, who's running against me.

02:45:41.000 Both of them vote repeatedly in favor of open borders.

02:45:45.000 Both of them vote for trillions of dollars of spending we don't have.

02:45:48.000 Both of them vote for the war against oil and gas and American energy.

02:45:52.000 Both of them vote in favor of defunding the police.

02:45:55.000 That's their record.

02:45:56.000 But I got to tell you, The left right now, they are flooding money to Kamala Harris. 0.97

02:46:02.000 They're flooding money to my opponent because they want to deceive the American people.

02:46:06.000 Both Kamala Harris and my opponent are running ads with Donald Trump's border wall in it, even though both of them have opposed it their entire careers.

02:46:15.000 The hypocrisy is enormous, which is why we need to bring the facts back up and prosecute this case on the merits.

02:46:24.000 All right, Senator Ted Cruz, we appreciate you being with us.

02:46:27.000 Joining us now is 2024 Republican vice presidential nominee, Senator J.D. Vance.

02:46:32.000 Senator, great to see you.

02:46:33.000 How are you?

02:46:33.000 Good.

02:46:34.000 Are you getting ready for your debate?

02:46:35.000 Yeah.

02:46:36.000 Got a lot of pointers this evening.

02:46:38.000 Okay.

02:46:39.000 All right, let's get your overall take.

02:46:40.000 I think the thing that's frustrating to me and a lot of people, number one, I think three-on-one was a little frustrating.

02:46:46.000 Yeah.

02:46:47.000 Number two, the topics that are so relevant, the radical positions that she's taken.

02:46:52.000 Sure.

02:46:53.000 When I first interviewed you, The first interview you did, when you were vice president, when you announced to be the candidate, I asked you every hard question.

02:47:03.000 And you answered every one of them.

02:47:05.000 And I kept you longer.

02:47:07.000 It was supposed to be 10 minutes, I kept you 30.

02:47:09.000 I was being very nice.

02:47:11.000 And all these radical positions she's taken, still no answers.

02:47:16.000 We have not moved the ball an inch.

02:47:18.000 It is frustrating.

02:47:19.000 It is frustrating.

02:47:20.000 And the moderators, I think, did a terrible job of following up on that.

02:47:23.000 But look, I think President Trump did a good job at reminding the American people that this is a person who wanted to ban fracking.

02:47:29.000 Here we are in Pennsylvania.

02:47:30.000 She supported banning fracking.

02:47:31.000 She supported defunding the police.

02:47:33.000 She supported opening the border.

02:47:35.000 And I think that, though the moderators didn't do their job, I think President Trump did do his job in reminding the American people that she has taken a number of radical positions that, as he joked, she's running away from.

02:47:44.000 Now she's acting like Donald Trump. 1.00

02:47:45.000 She's about to put on a MAGA hat because she realizes...

02:47:48.000 By the way, That was a pretty good line.

02:47:50.000 It was my favorite moment of the debate.

02:47:52.000 But she is a radical who is trying to run towards Donald Trump's positions because she knows that's what's popular, but it's not what she actually believes.

02:48:01.000 And I think that if you go to her performance, Sean, the most striking part of it is if you actually listen to what she said, it was platitude after platitude after slogan.

02:48:10.000 There was no substance.

02:48:12.000 How is she going to lower grocery prices for American citizens? 1.00

02:48:16.000 We're good to go.

02:48:20.000 We're good to go.

02:48:24.000 We're good to go.

02:48:36.000 Homes that are unaffordable, a wide open southern border, rising fentanyl deaths.

02:48:40.000 This is happening because of her failed leadership. 0.91

02:48:43.000 And all we need to remind the American people of, and I think Donald Trump did a great job of this tonight, is the reason why these problems happen is because Kamala Harris failed to do it.

02:48:51.000 I know he's doing bad defense.

02:48:53.000 She's 50 days, and prior to tonight, she does one interview, no press conferences.

02:48:58.000 You're out there every day between you and President Trump.

02:49:01.000 You're nearing, what, 50 combined?

02:49:03.000 Sure.

02:49:04.000 And it's still a mystery.

02:49:06.000 It's like...

02:49:07.000 The candidate protection program and the media keeps her in there. 0.99

02:49:11.000 You know, I have all of these files, the Kamala files, the Walls files, them in their own words.

02:49:16.000 This was all available to ABC tonight.

02:49:19.000 You said this about fracking, you said this about drilling, you said this about sex change operations that taxpayers pay for for criminals and for illegal immigrants, free housing, health care, education for illegal immigrants, the elimination of private health care. 0.87

02:49:37.000 All of these positions that she's taken, you know, and it's amazing that we're this far, that we're this close to an election, we don't have these answers.

02:49:47.000 Let's go ahead and give some of our commentary here.

02:49:50.000 Or do you want to let J.D. Vance finish?

02:49:51.000 And she's running vibes.

02:49:52.000 What the hell is a virus?

02:49:54.000 It feels like it sometimes.

02:49:57.000 I feel like watching Kamala Harris, like I've taken some psychedelics, but look, she has a total disaster, Sean, and she runs away from a record. 0.91

02:50:04.000 This is the most striking thing, is if you're the vice president, you've been in power for three and a half years, is she running by saying, look what we did to lower your grocery prices, look what we did to make the world more secure?

02:50:15.000 She can't.

02:50:15.000 She can't because her record is one of failure.

02:50:18.000 And we just have to remind the American people of this, Sean.

02:50:20.000 I mean, look, I think if you watch the debate, you're sitting at home, you're an undecided voter.

02:50:23.000 What you saw is a person who repeats slogans instead of respecting you enough to treat you like an adult.

02:50:30.000 You know, Donald Trump, and he gets criticized by this, by the left for this, by the way.

02:50:34.000 Donald Trump actually answers the questions because he respects the American people enough to treat you like an adult.

02:50:39.000 We treat them like citizens.

02:50:40.000 That's why he goes out there, talks to people, because he thinks he ought to try to win the people's vote, not just have it given to you.

02:50:48.000 She also told a lot of lies about Project 2025.

02:50:51.000 Project 2025 is her radical agenda for her.

02:50:55.000 A national abortion ban.

02:50:56.000 That wasn't true.

02:50:57.000 She lied about Her saying in 2000, no, I didn't say I'm for fracking.

02:51:04.000 Mandatory gun buyback, she said at the end of the debate.

02:51:06.000 Oh, no, I never said that.

02:51:08.000 I'm a gun owner.

02:51:09.000 I'm like, that is exactly what you said.

02:51:11.000 Yes, you did.

02:51:12.000 It's on tape.

02:51:13.000 We have it.

02:51:14.000 We played it.

02:51:14.000 That's right.

02:51:15.000 Well, that's the entire trick here, right?

02:51:17.000 Is the media is helping Kamala Harris run away from her record.

02:51:20.000 But we have her on tape saying all these things, Sean.

02:51:22.000 And by the way, when she said that she supported a ban on fracking, then she changed her view in 2020.

02:51:27.000 That's another complete fabrication.

02:51:29.000 She has never once changed her view that she wanted to ban fracking.

02:51:33.000 And you're an American sitting at home. 0.57

02:51:35.000 She became the presumptive nominee.

02:51:36.000 Well, that's right.

02:51:37.000 She changed her mind in 2024, but not in 2020, so another complete fabrication.

02:51:42.000 But think about this.

02:51:43.000 If you're a Pennsylvania energy worker, or you're an American suffering from high utility and energy bills, Kamala Harris is telling you she wants to make you pay more, and she wants to put these energy workers out of the job. 0.99

02:51:54.000 It's a disgrace.

02:51:58.000 Fox News froze.

02:52:00.000 We just have to keep on doing it.

02:52:02.000 Let me ask you this, because I think this is very important.

02:52:05.000 So, with 56 days, but we have early voting.

02:52:08.000 We're one week away.

02:52:10.000 Early voting starts here in Pennsylvania.

02:52:12.000 You're spending a lot of time in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

02:52:17.000 Sure.

02:52:17.000 And one has to wonder, you know, To what extent has her past statements and radical positions penetrated the consciousness of the American people?

02:52:30.000 Look, I think they've penetrated a little bit, and it's our job over the remaining 56 days of the campaign.

02:52:35.000 You're right, early voting starts in just a couple of weeks.

02:52:38.000 It's our job to make it penetrate.

02:52:40.000 Sean, we have to do this every single day.

02:52:42.000 We have to remind the American people of what she said.

02:52:44.000 But this is not complicated.

02:52:46.000 We just have to tell the truth.

02:52:47.000 Kamala Harris wanted to ban fracking. 0.84

02:52:49.000 She wanted to defund the police.

02:52:50.000 She said it all on video.

02:52:52.000 We just have to remind people of what she said.

02:52:54.000 And by the way, Sean, it's not just reminding people what she said.

02:52:57.000 It's reminding what Donald Trump did and has plans to do again.

02:53:01.000 We had prosperity.

02:53:02.000 We had power.

02:53:03.000 We had the American dream that started to feel alive again thanks to Donald Trump's leadership.

02:53:08.000 Sean, you know I believe this.

02:53:09.000 I think we've got the best workers, the best history and cultural traditions in the world.

02:53:13.000 We've got the best natural resources in the most beautiful country.

02:53:17.000 We have got failed leadership that is ruining our great inheritance as a country.

02:53:22.000 We just need better leadership.

02:53:23.000 It's that simple.

02:53:25.000 Senator, good to see you.

02:53:26.000 Appreciate it.

02:53:27.000 We'll be seeing you out on the campaign trail.

02:53:29.000 Alright, one issue that did get a lot of attention from ABC's far-left moderators was the weaponization of our Department of Justice.

02:53:36.000 Donald Trump still made it a point of emphasis.

02:53:39.000 Take a look.

02:53:40.000 Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent.

02:53:45.000 And I'm winning most of them, and I will win the rest on appeal.

02:53:48.000 And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court.

02:53:53.000 I'm winning most of them.

02:53:54.000 But those are cases, it's called weaponization.

02:53:57.000 Never happened in this country.

02:53:58.000 They weaponized the Justice Department.

02:54:01.000 Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ, from Atlanta and Fawney Willis to the The Attorney General of New York and the DA in New York.

02:54:11.000 Every one of those cases.

02:54:13.000 And then they say, oh, he's a criminal.

02:54:17.000 They're the ones that made them go after me.

02:54:20.000 It's weaponization, and they used it, and it's never happened in this country.

02:54:24.000 They used it to try and win an election.

02:54:26.000 They're fake cases.

02:54:30.000 All right, joining us now, someone who knows firsthand about the weaponization of justice, live from the spin room, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

02:54:36.000 Great to see you.

02:54:36.000 How are you?

02:54:37.000 Good to see you, Sean.

02:54:38.000 You left your party, a party that was near and dear to your father, to your uncle.

02:54:46.000 I think it has no resemblance to the Democratic Party today.

02:54:51.000 And this is the frustrating part about tonight, the radicalization, the views stated by Kamala, you know, They weren't asked by the moderators.

02:55:01.000 I was disappointed by the evident bias of the moderators who were fact-checking constantly, kind of trivialities.

02:55:15.000 President Trump, but as far as I saw, they didn't fact check Vice President Harris a single time.

02:55:21.000 You're right, Sean.

02:55:22.000 The party that I grew up in doesn't exist anymore.

02:55:25.000 The party of Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy was a party of peace.

02:55:28.000 It was the party of resisting the corporate subversion of American democracy.

02:55:33.000 It was the party of civil rights and constitutional rights, particularly censorship.

02:55:38.000 Very opposed to censorship and surveillance.

02:55:42.000 It was the party of protecting the most vulnerable people in our society, including particularly children.

02:55:51.000 Today, the Democratic Party is the party of war.

02:55:54.000 It's the party of censorship.

02:55:58.000 It's the party of surveillance.

02:56:00.000 We saw Dick Cheney and John Bolton endorse, along with 255 neocons, endorse Vice President Harris this week.

02:56:11.000 They came out of exile where they were sent after the Patriot Act.

02:56:15.000 They were sent after the war in Iraq, the biggest foreign policy debacle in American history.

02:56:20.000 And they're not endorsing Vice President Harris because they've changed their minds.

02:56:28.000 They're endorsing her because she represents their worldview.

02:56:31.000 More censorship, more war, more surveillance.

02:56:34.000 And less liberty and constitutional rights.

02:56:37.000 You know, there's a lot in the course of your campaign.

02:56:39.000 They talk about democracy in peril, but everything, the entire force of the democratic establishment, if you will, they just went in for the political, you know, death of your campaign.

02:56:54.000 They did not want you to get to, they didn't want you to get a first base.

02:56:58.000 You know, that's the other thing is that they've abandoned democracy.

02:57:04.000 The Democratic Party is now about centralized control.

02:57:07.000 It's about losing faith in the demos, the people, and about abolishing elections, abolishing our ability to hear different Points of view to hear dissent.

02:57:18.000 In my case, of course, they got rid of the primaries.

02:57:21.000 They literally abolished many of the primaries so that President Biden wouldn't have to debate me, wouldn't have to run against me.

02:57:27.000 Let me dip in, I guess, Kamala's at one of her watch parties or something. 0.74

02:57:32.000 I don't know what she's saying.

02:57:33.000 Let's just dip in for a second.

02:57:36.000 And let me just say that I think we all know that tonight was a night that highlights something that you all have been working so hard on.

02:57:43.000 We have folks here who have been knocking on doors.

02:57:46.000 Well, you know.

02:57:52.000 But we have a lot of work to do, okay?

02:57:55.000 And tonight, I think, highlighted for the American people what's at stake.

02:57:59.000 I started the debate by talking about it, and it became apparent, I think, throughout that about an hour and a half that...

02:58:08.000 So, obviously, she's going to go out there and her team.

02:58:11.000 The thing that I learned about her tonight is being hidden away for days and days and days on end.

02:58:19.000 You can learn your rehearse lines.

02:58:21.000 And it doesn't matter if you tell the truth, because she wasn't fact-checked.

02:58:24.000 She told a lot of lies about Trump in 2025, lies about mandatory gun buybacks, which she did support, lying about fracking, lying about a national abortion ban that Donald Trump Yeah, guys, so I'm like kind of seeing where everybody's saying,

02:58:40.000 and then we'll kind of give our...

02:58:45.000 Off message, and it does appear, is that Donald Trump there going into the spin room perhaps, making an entrance there as well.

02:58:53.000 Whit, I know you'll keep an eye on that.

02:58:55.000 Let me know if you need to turn there.

02:58:56.000 But, you know, one of the things that's so interesting is looking ahead now, where does the Kamala Harris team go?

02:59:01.000 Because so much of this comes down to whether, you know, they can spin this how they want, Trump can spin this how he wants.

02:59:06.000 But what it comes down to are those key independent voters.

02:59:09.000 Harris is going to be out there in those key battleground states in the coming days.

02:59:13.000 And they feel this was so successful, they are now asking for a second debate in October, challenging Trump to see if he will accept that debate.

02:59:21.000 And you can shout that question to him there with.

02:59:23.000 And in a final, just, you know, sort of top off the night here, Taylor Swift tweeting out to her 283 million followers that she is now endorsing Kamala Harris with that is going to be something that's hard for Trump to take off.

02:59:37.000 Mary, forgive me.

02:59:39.000 Former President Donald Trump is here in the spin room.

02:59:42.000 Whenever there's an audience, we know that the former president likes to be part of it, so he has essentially taken over.

02:59:49.000 And there is a scramble here on the spin room floor.

02:59:53.000 Let's go to Jay O'Brien.

02:59:55.000 I think you're right there in the middle of it.

02:59:56.000 Jay, what's going on?

02:59:57.000 Wait, Donald Trump has just walked into the spin room here.

03:00:00.000 He's walking here.

03:00:00.000 Mr.

03:00:01.000 Trump, we're live on ABC News here, sir.

03:00:03.000 Mr.

03:00:04.000 Trump.

03:00:05.000 I think he's about to talk.

03:00:06.000 Here we go.

03:00:07.000 So we thought it was our best debate ever.

03:00:10.000 It was my best debate ever, I think.

03:00:12.000 And it was very interesting. 0.97

03:00:15.000 It showed how weak they are, how pathetic they are, and what they're doing to destroy our country and the border with foreign trade, with everything. 1.00

03:00:24.000 And I think it was the best debate I've ever personally that I've had. 0.98

03:00:28.000 We're getting polls that show 92 to 6.

03:00:32.000 88 to 11.

03:00:34.000 We're having a lot of great polls that just came out.

03:00:37.000 Polls, I guess, phone calls and lots of other polls, but you see the polls.

03:00:41.000 A very important debate.

03:00:43.000 Now, she wants to do another one because she got beaten tonight, but I don't know if we're going to do another one.

03:00:47.000 I wouldn't mind.

03:00:48.000 Did she get into your head tonight, sir?

03:00:51.000 I just found it.

03:00:53.000 90%, 60%, 72%, 71%, and 89%.

03:00:59.000 So the polls are very good.

03:01:02.000 But beyond the polls, I felt very good.

03:01:04.000 I had a good time doing it.

03:01:06.000 I hate to speak about our country so negatively, but that's what happened.

03:01:10.000 They've ruined our country.

03:01:11.000 They've destroyed our country.

03:01:12.000 So I hope you're all having a good time.

03:01:16.000 But it was a very interesting evening.

03:01:18.000 So confident you went tonight.

03:01:20.000 Why are you here?

03:01:21.000 Why not let the performance speak for itself?

03:01:23.000 Well, I think it did.

03:01:24.000 But people said, would I come here?

03:01:25.000 And I made an obligation to a couple of people that I'm going to do their show.

03:01:30.000 But it was a, I thought it was a great night.

03:01:32.000 Mr.

03:01:33.000 President, Mr.

03:01:34.000 President, Mr.

03:01:35.000 President, you talked to me.

03:01:37.000 What is your reaction to Taylor Swift and Marshall?

03:01:40.000 I have no idea.

03:01:41.000 Mr.

03:01:41.000 President, when Republicans are complaining about moderators, does that mean that it wasn't a good night?

03:01:48.000 Were you not prepared?

03:01:49.000 No, I thought the moderators were very unfair.

03:01:51.000 But it basically was three on one.

03:01:54.000 But I thought they were very unfair, the moderators.

03:01:56.000 Everybody did.

03:01:57.000 But despite that, they're saying that the debate was a big debate.

03:02:00.000 Mr.

03:02:02.000 President, Mr.

03:02:03.000 President, is prepared for that kind of debate?

03:02:04.000 Yeah, I assume the moderators would be bad because that right there is Why won't you commit to a second debate with Kamala Harris? 1.00

03:02:18.000 She wants a second debate because she lost tonight very badly.

03:02:21.000 So they immediately called for a second debate because they lost.

03:02:26.000 So we'll think about that.

03:02:27.000 But she immediately called for a second.

03:02:30.000 Look, we're looking at polls.

03:02:32.000 We're looking at polls.

03:02:34.000 The worst poll that we've had was 71% that I see.

03:02:38.000 71% to like 24 or 25%.

03:02:41.000 We'll look at it.

03:02:47.000 All right, Witt, so if you still have me, he's walked a little bit away from our camera.

03:02:52.000 Now he's at the edge there.

03:02:53.000 You won't be able to hear him well.

03:02:55.000 But one of the things you did hear was a question just asked by our Catherine Folders asking, why not commit to another debate if you believe that you won?

03:03:03.000 He said he believes.

03:03:04.000 He won this debate, but then he was also asked, why being here in the spin room spinning about this debate if it's a debate that you believe was a clean win?

03:03:12.000 We're going to try to get you as close as we can to Donald Trump, but I don't think you're going to be able to hear.

03:03:18.000 Let me try to get my mic in there and see if you can hear Whit if you're still going through my camera here.

03:03:22.000 Yeah, we're listening.

03:03:22.000 Let's see what we can hear.

03:03:24.000 I had great debates.

03:03:31.000 I thought this was my best debate.

03:03:40.000 Well, I thought she was not very good tonight.

03:03:44.000 She didn't protect the vice president.

03:03:47.000 He's, you know, the office of the vice president.

03:03:50.000 And certainly, and certainly, if you take a look at it, she was terrible with respect to the president.

03:03:56.000 She's trying to get herself away from Biden, and she wasn't able to do that tonight.

03:04:01.000 I think it was a big thing.

03:04:02.000 They wanted to disassociate with Biden, and they weren't able to do that.

03:04:08.000 Mr.

03:04:09.000 President!

03:04:20.000 I think the moderators were very unfair.

03:04:30.000 All right.

03:04:33.000 So, if I can just tell you what we're seeing, because it's probably still hard to hear.

03:04:38.000 Donald Trump has entered the spin room.

03:04:40.000 He's gaggled.

03:04:41.000 Let's, uh...

03:04:42.000 Let's go ahead and go through it, man.

03:04:45.000 I guess what we can start with is, what are your overall thoughts, Suleiman?

03:04:50.000 And then we can go, or do you want to go point by point first?

03:04:52.000 What do you want to do?

03:04:53.000 Well, we'll do it overall, and then we'll do point by point.

03:04:55.000 Let's do it.

03:04:56.000 Go ahead.

03:04:56.000 That's all right.

03:04:57.000 So overall, I mean, immediately after the debate, I thought Harris won.

03:05:01.000 By the way, I'm not like pro-Harris, right?

03:05:03.000 Yeah.

03:05:04.000 But I just don't want Trump to win because I don't think...

03:05:07.000 It's confusing.

03:05:08.000 I don't want either of them to win, right?

03:05:10.000 But coming back to it, like I thought she won, but now after hearing Fox News and seeing RFK, Rubio, Cruz, Hannity, I'm like, actually she dominated.

03:05:22.000 Like when I'm hearing their arguments and they actually...

03:05:25.000 Presenting better challenges to her points than Trump did.

03:05:28.000 It kind of demonstrates how weak he was during the debate.

03:05:32.000 So I think he was really bad.

03:05:34.000 The reason he's come out now is because he's realized how bad he was.

03:05:36.000 And this was almost like a defense ploy to say, look, I won.

03:05:40.000 It's the best debate I've ever had.

03:05:41.000 These type of things.

03:05:42.000 It's kind of like him playing defense after having such a...

03:05:46.000 Basically, a huge loss.

03:05:47.000 When he's talking about the polls, as far as I know, and I did have a quick search, it does seem to be Twitter polls he's tweeted on some of them from Truth Social where it's only MAGA people.

03:05:57.000 So of course, what are MAGA people going to vote?

03:06:00.000 But Polymarket, which is actually run by Peter Thiel.

03:06:04.000 Peter Thiel put J.D. Vance in place.

03:06:07.000 Peter Thiel, he has backed the Trump campaign.

03:06:10.000 According to Polymarket, Harris dominated this debate.

03:06:18.000 So just from an overall debate perspective, I think Harris won.

03:06:22.000 It's why she's got the confidence for a second debate.

03:06:24.000 If it was close, she would have left the second debate and just let it go. 0.95

03:06:27.000 But she's thinking, you know what, this guy's easy pickings.

03:06:30.000 Pure domination.

03:06:32.000 So my thoughts on it was I think Trump could have done a lot better.

03:06:40.000 He...

03:06:42.000 I mean, I don't know if I could even pick a defined winner.

03:06:47.000 I think it's damn near a tie, which is not good, right, from the Trump perspective.

03:06:53.000 You know, ABC did ask questions to kind of provoke Trump and they would ask him about his policies but not necessarily hers as much.

03:07:02.000 I would say it's like maybe a one to three ratio where they would like kind of maybe question her on one of her policies and then but with him they would always like say that's not true Mr.

03:07:10.000 President like they would fact check they fact checked him a lot more than they fact checked her. 0.99

03:07:15.000 I mean, I'm not surprised.

03:07:16.000 ABC is far more left-leaning.

03:07:19.000 Especially that female host, she had no problem with saying, that's actually not true, Mr. 0.99

03:07:24.000 President, or some shit like that. 0.99

03:07:25.000 She'd get in a slick remark here or there, a jab, before going on to the question or her comment or whatever the fuck it may be. 0.99

03:07:33.000 I think I'm actually surprised that Harris would want to do a second debate. 0.93

03:07:39.000 I would think that since she's so confident that she won, that she'd be like, no, I'm not going to do another debate because I won, right?

03:07:45.000 I think there were some things that Trump could have done a lot better on, especially strong points.

03:07:51.000 I think could have really hammered her. 1.00

03:07:53.000 Well, we could go point by point now, actually, since we're on this part.

03:07:58.000 And then, real quick, before I get into the points now, we gave you guys kind of an overall summary.

03:08:03.000 We got the gifted subs, or let's read chats.

03:08:11.000 And then we'll go step by step with everything.

03:08:13.000 So we got some of these chats here.

03:08:15.000 Thank you guys for tuning in.

03:08:16.000 You guys could be anywhere else in the world, but you're here with me and Suleiman right now.

03:08:19.000 So shout out to you guys.

03:08:20.000 We got Turbo says, again, stop mid-jerk to comment this.

03:08:23.000 Wow.

03:08:24.000 I'll watch the rerun tomorrow.

03:08:26.000 Gotta get some sleep.

03:08:27.000 23, been driving trucks for three and a half years, saving up 50k to buy my truck.

03:08:30.000 Owner, ops in Chicago area, make 4 to 6k a week.

03:08:34.000 Okay.

03:08:35.000 Who's up next?

03:08:36.000 Thanks, Turb.

03:08:37.000 If Kamala wins the election, she will be known as the 304-in-Chief, L. Harris, W. Trump. 0.55

03:08:41.000 Okay?

03:08:43.000 This is my next cheer to be on Twitch.

03:08:45.000 I might surprise you guys in October.

03:08:47.000 Please make Twitch work now.

03:08:48.000 Behave, you two.

03:08:49.000 Twitch is soft.

03:08:50.000 And that's from Amshay.

03:08:51.000 Shout out to you, bro.

03:08:52.000 Yeah, we're going to be a lot more active on Twitch, gentlemen.

03:08:54.000 Shout out to her.

03:08:54.000 Sure.

03:08:55.000 Oh, it's a female. 0.99

03:08:56.000 Okay, shout out to her. 0.99

03:08:57.000 Hey, Myron.

03:08:57.000 Will there be an FNF News or any other stream where both Suleiman Ahmed and Tommy Sotomayor is a stream, including both of them, will be fired?

03:09:04.000 Sure.

03:09:05.000 We got WFNFWCastClub.

03:09:07.000 Shout out to you guys. 0.99

03:09:09.000 Watching that chick stand there and grin while Trump talks about how poor the economy is is disgusting. 0.99

03:09:14.000 She stutters just as bad as fresh Moe and Suleiman. 0.99

03:09:17.000 Someone put them in a class for speech therapy.

03:09:19.000 This from Jay Hassan and Bruschi.

03:09:20.000 Suleiman doesn't stutter, guys.

03:09:22.000 What else we got here?

03:09:28.000 Yeah, they never put me in office.

03:09:35.000 Okay. 1.00

03:09:38.000 Damn, her asshole must be jealous of her mouth for the amount of shit she's spewing. 1.00

03:09:41.000 That's from Gaz. 1.00

03:09:42.000 And then Playmaker says...

03:09:52.000 No wonder Kamala was ducking in his debate. 1.00

03:09:55.000 Okay, that's from Bra-Bear.

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03:10:20.000 Your community contributed a total of 14 gift subs and 300 bits.

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03:10:23.000 And let's get some more subs out there, man. 1.00

03:10:26.000 We're going to do a sub thing.

03:10:27.000 We're going to do a subathon on Thursday.

03:10:30.000 So that's going to be, we're going to, my goal is to get you guys all watching ad free.

03:10:34.000 Here's the issue with the black BS they tried to sneak in there. 1.00

03:10:36.000 If you actually go on Wayback Machine and look at her Wikipedia page, or if you look at any biography written about her, she herself identifies as Indian American.

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03:10:58.000 Six total.

03:10:58.000 Hector says, that was a 3v1 debate.

03:11:01.000 Okay.

03:11:02.000 Snow Valentine says, we need the most competent person for president that being a woman or man doesn't matter. 1.00

03:11:06.000 It needs to be the most competent.

03:11:08.000 Okay. 0.98

03:11:09.000 And then Snow Valentine says, that's why I put more emphasis on competent after all Obama blame his failures on being black. 0.97

03:11:14.000 Okay. 0.97

03:11:15.000 Okay.

03:11:20.000 The Russian guy says, probably. 0.64

03:11:34.000 What else we got here?

03:11:36.000 That's it?

03:11:37.000 Alright, so I guess we'll start with inflation, man.

03:11:39.000 What are your thoughts on that?

03:11:40.000 That was the first topic of discussion.

03:11:41.000 Yeah, I thought, like, if you look at her points, again, Trump didn't say much there, right?

03:11:46.000 She said she's going to give $6,000 for people to have children.

03:11:52.000 Immediately helps the American because you've basically got a birth crisis.

03:11:57.000 You've got population collapse happening right now, more so in the white population. 0.70

03:12:01.000 Therefore, her $6,000 per child, she's literally incentivizing you to have children to stop the birth crisis. 1.00

03:12:07.000 So immediately that's helping out Americans in a real tangible issue.

03:12:13.000 And then if you look at, for example, inflation, inflation has definitely increased under Biden.

03:12:18.000 But if you look at it, what's the reason for that?

03:12:20.000 The reason is because Donald Trump, as he said, the father of the vaccine, locked down the country.

03:12:27.000 What happens with the lockdown?

03:12:28.000 You're going to have a financial crisis.

03:12:31.000 You're going to have inflation.

03:12:32.000 You're going to have increased prices.

03:12:34.000 As soon as COVID happened in the United Kingdom, you know what I said?

03:12:36.000 I said all of those people who are supporting COVID... When you're living outside car-bound boxes, it's gonna be your own problem.

03:12:44.000 And this is what's happening.

03:12:45.000 Inflation has increased, but a lot of that is Donald Trump's fault.

03:12:49.000 Now, if you look at the economy, The economy under Trump wasn't any better than it was under Obama.

03:12:57.000 Obama, the economy was increasing significantly.

03:12:59.000 Actually, Obama's second term from the economical perspective was more stronger than even Trump's first term.

03:13:06.000 Trump's term was very equal to Obama's first term.

03:13:09.000 So again, this idea of like Trump being some savant when it comes to the economy is fake news in my view.

03:13:17.000 And the only reason why Biden is suffering is like I said, it's because of actually Obama's policies, Obama, sorry, because of Trump's policies.

03:13:25.000 Trump in the last year is obviously the entire US collapsed, UK collapsed, the world collapsed.

03:13:30.000 And it was because of COVID and lockdown measures.

03:13:35.000 She kept repeating about focusing on the American workforce. 0.98

03:13:38.000 She kept talking about Americans.

03:13:40.000 She kept talking about the working class.

03:13:41.000 He didn't talk about them that much.

03:13:43.000 He didn't talk about the average American.

03:13:44.000 He didn't talk about the working class. 0.98

03:13:46.000 His only retort I saw was him calling her a Marxist, which again is ridiculous. 0.89

03:13:54.000 It's like one of these platitudes. 0.96

03:13:55.000 It's one of these attacks.

03:13:56.000 It's not even true.

03:13:57.000 She's not a Marxist.

03:13:57.000 She's nothing from a communist.

03:13:59.000 But again, that's what I saw in terms of from the economic perspective in terms of the arguments they made.

03:14:04.000 So, I have a different view on that.

03:14:06.000 I think she really focused on, you know, taxing, giving people tax credits.

03:14:12.000 She said that she was going to tackle a home shortage, and then she attacked Trump's tax cuts on billionaires.

03:14:18.000 And then she also said that she wanted to give family credits, right, the $6,000.

03:14:21.000 But I think it's important for everyone to know that that actually was originally like something that JD Vance was talking about.

03:14:26.000 And she kind of stole that idea.

03:14:28.000 Because once he said, because he originally said, oh, I'm going to give 5,000 tax credits to families.

03:14:33.000 I remember vividly.

03:14:56.000 When Russia invaded Ukraine, the price of food went up.

03:15:00.000 The price of lumber went up.

03:15:01.000 Everything went up when Russia invaded Ukraine because that was the first world conflict in a while, like serious world conflict.

03:15:08.000 And obviously whenever that happens, things become less stabilized and the price of food goes up.

03:15:14.000 I mean, let's not forget that they call Ukraine like the breadbasket of Europe.

03:15:19.000 It's getting invaded.

03:15:20.000 That's going to have, you know, everlasting domino effect on all world markets.

03:15:26.000 And, you know, food prices went up significantly after the Russian invasion.

03:15:29.000 And that happened in due to Biden's weak foreign policy where he's not able to keep these people in bay.

03:15:38.000 So I would say that, yes, COVID did play a role, but I don't think...

03:15:42.000 And I'm not going to even blame the Biden administration or really the Trump administration, because that was like an unforeseen event.

03:15:47.000 And honestly, you can't even plan for that.

03:15:49.000 Like, locking the world down the way they did.

03:15:51.000 I mean, if anything, I think Trump tried to open the country back as quickly as possible, which is why he pushed Operation Warp Speed so hard, pushed the vaccines.

03:15:58.000 He tried to get the economy open.

03:15:59.000 And one of the things people criticize Trump a lot about is that we were one of the last places to close down.

03:16:04.000 I remember Europe, you guys were closed down way before us.

03:16:06.000 I remember...

03:16:08.000 COVID really started in the beginning of 2020.

03:16:12.000 Spain, Italy especially, the old people were dropping like flies in Italy. 1.00

03:16:17.000 And the world was panicking and stuff.

03:16:20.000 And we didn't close down until March, right?

03:16:22.000 But the rest of the world was closing down damn near December and January.

03:16:25.000 And we were still open up until March.

03:16:26.000 That's when we had the widespread lockdowns in the United States.

03:16:29.000 So if anything, Trump tried to keep the economy open as long as he could and then tried to get it back up.

03:16:34.000 Obviously, the vaccine probably wasn't the way to do it, but we have 2020 hindsight now.

03:16:39.000 But I do think that...

03:16:42.000 Inflation is a problem that, yes, it started with COVID, but I think the Democrats exacerbated the problem by allowing Russia to invade Ukraine because that had so many different domino effects on food prices, which is the biggest thing, the biggest pocket point.

03:16:57.000 Hey, grocery reserve 50%, etc., which is true, and I do think the Democrats have some blame on that.

03:17:01.000 And then as far as, like, she talked about home shortages...

03:17:04.000 There's been a problem that's been going on for multiple years.

03:17:07.000 There's approximately a 5 million home shortage in the United States.

03:17:11.000 And she talks about, oh, well, I'm going to go ahead and give a credit where people can get $25,000 towards a home or whatever.

03:17:16.000 Well, that's not really going to do anything because me being in a real estate game, I know it's going to happen.

03:17:19.000 Everyone is just going to increase the price of their home by $25,000 knowing that.

03:17:23.000 And the other thing, too, is that with the home shortages, single family, and she means single family homes by this, three bedroom, two bath, etc.

03:17:32.000 The reason why we're short on it is because A lot of the people that are building homes, they're more focused on commercial real estate.

03:17:39.000 They're more focused on turning a big profit on them actually sending contractors out to build things.

03:17:43.000 So, building a single family home isn't as profitable and the cost of lumber like we discussed before and other products have went up since the conflict with Russia especially. 0.98

03:17:55.000 Her trying to say that I'm gonna build more homes, I'm trying to build 3 million homes, it's a bullshit thing. 0.94

03:18:00.000 They're never gonna be able to do it. 0.96

03:18:01.000 We have a home shortage of around 5 million, and they simply are not gonna be able to get that happening.

03:18:06.000 That's, I think, a very false promise, me understanding how the real estate market works.

03:18:10.000 Because how the fuck are you gonna incentivize these real estate contractors That build these commercial properties to prioritize building single-family homes when it's not really in their benefit to do so, and they lose money by doing it.

03:18:22.000 That's why so many different homes that were being built. 0.97

03:18:25.000 I mean, hell, right now in Miami, they have a bunch of apartment complexes that they've stopped building, right?

03:18:30.000 And these are multi, multi, multi, maybe even a billion dollar plus projects.

03:18:35.000 They're stopping those.

03:18:36.000 So why are they gonna go and build single-family homes?

03:18:40.000 You know, they can't even get their commercial properties done right now.

03:18:43.000 Right?

03:18:44.000 So, the housing problem that she's talking about, that's just not a feasible thing that she's going to build 3 million homes. 1.00

03:18:50.000 That's a fucking lie. 0.99

03:18:50.000 There's no way they're going to be able to do it. 0.99

03:18:52.000 But that's my take on the inflation part.

03:18:54.000 I guess, what's next?

03:18:56.000 Abortion.

03:18:57.000 Abortion, okay. 1.00

03:18:58.000 What's your thoughts on the reproductive rights discussion?

03:19:01.000 Yeah, I mean, look, this is the perfect topic to talk about when you're Kamala Harris.

03:19:06.000 This is her strongest position, yeah.

03:19:08.000 I mean, this is her moneymaker.

03:19:13.000 100%, 100% because of a number of reasons.

03:19:15.000 One is it alienates his actual base and then it also ensures the left or the liberal base votes for her as well.

03:19:26.000 So him saying, for example, six weeks is too short, him disavowing Project 2025, him saying that he will not do a national abortion ban immediately alienates both the left and And the right,

03:19:41.000 it puts him in an extremely weak spot.

03:19:43.000 And I think that's the reason why they do it.

03:19:45.000 And look, this whole argument that Maga makes, oh, guess what?

03:19:48.000 He just, he defeated Roan Wade, he sent it back to the States. 0.65

03:19:53.000 I don't see how that's a win if you're a Conservative.

03:19:56.000 Because what you're basically saying is that him himself, from a federal perspective, has not made the decision to save the lives of babies.

03:20:06.000 And he's allowed them to be killed because obviously, as a conservative, we do believe that a child is born from day zero.

03:20:12.000 So it means anything after day zero is actual murder.

03:20:15.000 So it's funny that Trump was calling anything after nine months, I think he called it an assassination, when in reality, according to us, days anything before that is also an assassination.

03:20:27.000 And coming back to the point, The issue is this.

03:20:31.000 When you're basically sending this to the states, you're delegating responsibility, or as I would say, taking away responsibility.

03:20:37.000 You're meant to be the president of the United States, a conservative Republican president.

03:20:42.000 You're meant to be put in values which are conservative, but instead you make a decision to send it down to the states.

03:20:48.000 What does it mean to send it down to the states?

03:20:50.000 Some states are blue states.

03:20:51.000 Some states are red states.

03:20:52.000 Generally speaking, in the United States of America, you kind of got a mixed bag.

03:20:55.000 And what's going to happen? 0.98

03:20:56.000 The blue states are going to allow the murdering and killing of babies. 0.92

03:21:00.000 And so therefore, I don't think that's a win. 0.93

03:21:02.000 That's a loss.

03:21:03.000 And so that's why you see his actual conservative religious base moving away from him for this reason.

03:21:09.000 And also the liberal base are like, wait a sec.

03:21:12.000 He is...

03:21:13.000 He's overturned Roan Wade.

03:21:14.000 We're also going to move away from because it's actually red states where we're not allowed to have abortion. 1.00

03:21:19.000 So what he's doing is politically isn't a great decision and morally is a problematic decision.

03:21:24.000 So I completely disavow him on the abortion point.

03:21:28.000 So, when it comes to this, right, I think it's the proper way to do this, is to delegate it to the states, right?

03:21:35.000 Personally, I think it's the proper way to do it when you look at it from a functionality standpoint.

03:21:39.000 Hey, the federal government doesn't want to be involved in this. 0.99

03:21:42.000 We have bigger shit to worry about. 0.97

03:21:43.000 This is a cultural and personal decision, and the federal government doesn't want to weigh in on this. 0.99

03:21:48.000 Let's delegate it to the states. 0.99

03:21:50.000 You guys take it up with your governors if you have an issue.

03:21:53.000 The problem with that, though, right, is what I've been noticing is people are able to take him saying, I'm going to move it to the states and kind of run with it however they want to define their political agenda, right?

03:22:06.000 So what the Democrats are using it as is, oh, there's a Trump abortion ban, right?

03:22:12.000 Because he said, I'm going to move it to the states.

03:22:15.000 And they're able to interpret it however they see fit.

03:22:19.000 To, I guess, kind of propose it to whichever audience they're talking to, right?

03:22:24.000 And though I see the practicality in it, I think it's the right way to move.

03:22:29.000 The problem is that we live in a country and we live in a world where It's not the truth that matters.

03:22:35.000 It's whoever can articulate a story better that matters.

03:22:39.000 And what the Democrats have been able to do, which is they've always been better at this, is market it as Trump is a...

03:22:45.000 He doesn't stand for women's reproductive rights. 0.97

03:22:50.000 He's a bigot.

03:22:51.000 He wants to take, you know, women's ability away to have choice.

03:22:56.000 Because the thing is, is that he said it right at the top of his debate when he was talking.

03:23:00.000 He said, look, I'm a big proponent of giving women the exceptions. 0.99

03:23:03.000 Incest, sexual assault, and her potentially dying during the birthing process.

03:23:11.000 He said that off the top.

03:23:12.000 But what were they able to do?

03:23:14.000 Oh, his birthing ban, his pregnancy bans or his abortion bans are putting women in precarious situations where they're dying or they have to have a baby.

03:23:26.000 And take it to term that they don't want to.

03:23:27.000 So the issue with turning it to the states is now it leaves open interpretation for his opponents to paint him in whatever light they want.

03:23:36.000 That's the issue here.

03:23:38.000 So though it's a good policy on paper, it's terrible optically.

03:23:43.000 And I think the Democrats have been able to run with that and really punish Trump on that.

03:23:48.000 And they've been able to kind of put him in this light where...

03:23:50.000 I mean, I'll give you an example.

03:23:52.000 I was on FIU's campus literally the other day, and I was asking girls, who are you going to vote for?

03:23:57.000 The girls would say, oh, I'm going to vote for Kamala. 1.00

03:23:59.000 And when I asked them why, a lot of them came back to this very talking point.

03:24:03.000 Reproductive rights. 0.98

03:24:04.000 And they all really think that Trump is against abortions when he's not.

03:24:08.000 So, like what you said, Suleiman, you're right.

03:24:11.000 Because since his position is more, he's delegated off... 0.99

03:24:16.000 His supporter base is like, what the fuck? 0.99

03:24:18.000 You need to take control of this. 1.00

03:24:19.000 And then the people that don't like him are saying, oh look, he's pro-abortion.

03:24:23.000 So it's kind of put him in a very weird middle ground where it's alienated him from his main base and the liberals that don't like him are going to like him anyway and are going to say that he's pro-abortion.

03:24:32.000 So it just, sorry, he's pro, excuse me, he's abortion ban, pro-abortion ban.

03:24:39.000 So it's a lose-lose, unfortunately, because he's trying to be in the middle ground here.

03:24:44.000 Alright, yeah, and I think, yeah, what's up, what came up next?

03:24:49.000 Immigration.

03:24:51.000 Yes.

03:24:52.000 Immigration.

03:24:52.000 What are your thoughts on immigration?

03:24:54.000 Yeah, I thought he could have done a lot better because that's one where he is coming in.

03:24:58.000 You think abortion is something that Kamala is very much stronger in and immigration is something that Trump is better in. 0.97

03:25:08.000 And the reason you'd assume he's better is because of the immigration or the illegal immigration crisis that's happened over the last four years that many Americans talk about.

03:25:18.000 And yet, when you look at it, he didn't hone in on that as much.

03:25:21.000 He didn't talk about the fact that she, he didn't mention it.

03:25:23.000 But again, he didn't hone in on the fact that she was in charge of the border.

03:25:27.000 She was the border. 0.56

03:25:28.000 He instead talked about Springfield, about eating cats and dogs.

03:25:33.000 And that was something that came out on social media yesterday, was thoroughly debunked.

03:25:39.000 And so you knew coming into this, you're going to get embarrassed because what actually happened was it wasn't even people from Haiti doing that.

03:25:48.000 And actually, I know not many people are talking about this, but let's talk about this, that why are there problems in Haiti?

03:25:55.000 Because there is somebody It's called the BGO family who are what?

03:26:03.000 Zionists who have completely ransacked the country. 1.00

03:26:07.000 They own the only port in the country.

03:26:09.000 It's called the Port Lafito.

03:26:12.000 They were going to be published in the Panama paper.

03:26:14.000 So they've completely destroyed Haiti. 1.00

03:26:16.000 And that's why you've got a lot of Haitians who are having to come to America.

03:26:20.000 So again, the problem goes back to the Zionist control of Haiti and how they proliferate in the country of resources, significant resources. 0.78

03:26:29.000 And what they've done is use that, the fact that there are people from Haiti coming into the United States and made it into something which is a joke in Cat and Dogs. 0.94

03:26:36.000 Whereas you could have actually talked about Wait a sec.

03:26:39.000 You've got a small town in Springfield, a residence of 60,000 people.

03:26:44.000 You then import 20,000 people from a foreign country illegally or even legally.

03:26:50.000 Many of them could be criminals.

03:26:52.000 It will harm the community.

03:26:53.000 It will degrade the community.

03:26:54.000 You could have said it in a very cogent manner, but he embarrassed himself.

03:26:57.000 Why are you talking about eating cats and dogs? 0.99

03:26:59.000 So I think he did, he was really ridiculous. 0.95

03:27:01.000 And if you look at it, many people are literally taking the mick out of him about that. 0.95

03:27:05.000 He talked about, he said about that he got the most votes.

03:27:09.000 That's not a strong argument.

03:27:10.000 There's more people in America.

03:27:11.000 So of course, I know that he was trying to relate the argument.

03:27:16.000 I know later he did make it a bit more cogent.

03:27:18.000 But at that point, what was the point he was making?

03:27:20.000 Yeah, you had more votes, but that doesn't mean anything because Biden had even more votes.

03:27:24.000 Well, his real argument, what he didn't mention at this point was that actually the election was stolen.

03:27:30.000 He talked about immigration and then he moved on to crime a bit.

03:27:34.000 But again, he needs to talk about crime rate because again, crime rate and illegal immigration are not something that are congruent because actually, according to the data, illegal immigrants commit less crime than legal immigrants and legal immigrants commit less crime than actual Americans.

03:27:49.000 People are born in America.

03:27:50.000 So again, that's something that, again, he mentioned, but again, it wasn't that strong.

03:27:53.000 So what I thought is he did do better in the immigration point, But considering that that was meant to be his slam dunk, I didn't think he did as well.

03:28:01.000 Yeah, I agree with you on that.

03:28:03.000 He won the immigration talk, but he could have absolutely destroyed her harder.

03:28:07.000 He could have attacked her on how she's the one that's in charge, how she never visits the border.

03:28:13.000 The Border Patrol Union supports him, but they don't support her.

03:28:18.000 I mean, hell, I had a Border Patrol agent on yesterday, dude, and we talked in detail about what's going on. 0.96

03:28:22.000 And it's fucking crazy what's going on in the border. 0.97

03:28:24.000 So, though he did win, I think he could have done a lot better. 0.98

03:28:28.000 You know, and here's the thing.

03:28:30.000 Like, he kept bringing everything back to the border during the course of the first...

03:28:33.000 And I noticed in the second half he stopped doing that.

03:28:35.000 In the first half, though, every single one of his points always came back to immigration.

03:28:39.000 What he should have done was stay on the topic, avoid immigration...

03:28:43.000 Then when he does go into immigration, absolutely destroy her on every single point because this is where he has her.

03:28:48.000 You know what I mean?

03:28:49.000 We have a complete border crisis.

03:28:51.000 She was the one that's in charge.

03:28:52.000 I think if you had brought more attention to her being the border czar, look at the crime, look at the problems that we have with mass migration, he could have absolutely destroyed her on that.

03:29:03.000 And then also the other thing I don't like that he did, though I do think he won on this immigration, he didn't Address her trying to say that she tried to pass this bill where she was going to add 1,500 more Border Patrol agents, stop fentanyl, etc.

03:29:15.000 She went ahead and said that he stopped the bill that she was trying to push.

03:29:21.000 He should have answered and addressed that and stopped her in her tracks.

03:29:24.000 But instead, she sneakily did this, by the way. 0.98

03:29:27.000 She talked about his rallies.

03:29:29.000 So she talked about how he didn't...

03:29:33.000 How he stopped this bill, and then in the same sentence, pretty much, oh, no one shows up to his rallies, blah, blah.

03:29:40.000 So Trump gets very angry anytime people talk about his rallies, and he went ahead and focused on that instead of disputing that claim that he didn't want this bill to get passed.

03:29:51.000 He hit the nail on the head there.

03:29:53.000 That is just a golden point, because I didn't actually realize that, but she baited him hard there.

03:29:57.000 Yeah, she baited him really bad there.

03:29:58.000 And here's the thing, she did that because she knew that if she could take away from the immigration conversation, and he speaks more on the rallies versus immigration, It would help her because she knows that immigration is her weak point.

03:30:10.000 He's gonna destroy on that.

03:30:11.000 So she had to get something to bait him to get him off of the topic of immigration, which is his strong point. 0.99

03:30:16.000 He should have not fell for it and just address her question and then just hit her on the fucking points of how she's fucking up with the border. 0.98

03:30:23.000 I still think he won, but he could have done it so much better, man. 0.98

03:30:27.000 Also on illegal immigration, like not about the debate, but like real question, like where is the evidence that it's worse now than it was under Trump?

03:30:38.000 Sorry, worse now than it was under Trump because I've been looking at the data and the data seems to suggest that actually it's been very similar for Trump as it was for Biden.

03:30:48.000 The only difference is in the last year of COVID, that's when it decreased.

03:30:52.000 But that was because of COVID. I mean, is there real data showing That the situation is much worse under Biden than there is Trump.

03:30:58.000 Because I was looking for the data.

03:30:59.000 I've been looking for it significantly.

03:31:01.000 I didn't find any evidence to suggest that.

03:31:02.000 It seems a very biased propaganda, possibly.

03:31:04.000 Yeah.

03:31:05.000 So here's the thing.

03:31:06.000 And this is where they kind of...

03:31:07.000 So I could tell you just from working in immigration myself under the Trump administration versus working under Democrats, it was way better with Trump.

03:31:14.000 However, the American public is not going to know that.

03:31:16.000 So my anecdotal... 0.98

03:31:18.000 Analysis doesn't fucking matter. 0.93

03:31:19.000 They need to be better at demonstrating how they're putting a stop to crossings, etc. 0.97

03:31:28.000 And the other thing, too, which they need to do this more, I don't think they count expedited removals.

03:31:35.000 So, when aliens come into the United States, right, and they're caught by Border Patrol under the Trump administration, they would give them something called an expedited removal, which is a quick deportation without two weeks.

03:31:45.000 I don't know if that got reported.

03:31:46.000 So, if that doesn't get reported, that's going to go ahead and mess with the numbers, right, versus a regular formal deportation.

03:31:52.000 So, little things like that mess with the numbers.

03:31:57.000 But you're not going to know that unless you're someone that's done immigration like myself before.

03:32:01.000 And you understand this stuff from working on the southwest border.

03:32:04.000 So the Republicans need to do it.

03:32:05.000 The Trump party needs to be better at articulating this and really hammering it home so that the Democrats aren't kind of like putting smoke in mirrors and confusing the audience.

03:32:14.000 I agree with that because what you're saying is 100% right.

03:32:17.000 This needs to be proven and articulated a lot better because I'll tell you, because you know what it is, a lot of people, maybe your chat as well, a lot of people are just used to hearing one perspective.

03:32:27.000 Speaking to a lot of people on the left, both left-wing and liberals, which are different, a lot of them say that this is just right-wing propaganda.

03:32:35.000 And they say it's not really happening.

03:32:37.000 It's fake news.

03:32:39.000 And there is no data to show it.

03:32:40.000 And I did look significantly for the data.

03:32:43.000 The data shows illegal immigration in totality in the United States.

03:32:48.000 And it kind of shows it's been very similar.

03:32:50.000 Slight increases here and there and slight drops here and there.

03:32:52.000 But in terms of Actual individuals, every year, illegal immigrants come into the United States from 2016 up to now.

03:33:00.000 I think, as you said, I agree with you.

03:33:02.000 Republicans have not done a good enough job demonstrating that there is actually a crisis.

03:33:06.000 Most people think this is fake right-wing propaganda.

03:33:08.000 And they should also focus on...

03:33:10.000 What he should have also hammered in on is how the Democrats hinder We're good to go.

03:33:22.000 We're good to go.

03:33:35.000 We're good to go.

03:33:53.000 Of explaining that it's not just the numbers, you need to look at the things behind it that impact law enforcement's ability to actually conduct and do their jobs.

03:34:06.000 And that's what the Democrats always do, is they typically come in and they're Hands off with immigration.

03:34:11.000 And then the federal law force agencies, which, by the way, are the only ones that have immigration authority, the state and locals, the state police, sheriff's counties, they don't have any immigration authority.

03:34:20.000 The only ones that can do immigration are the feds.

03:34:23.000 And immigration is a federal statute.

03:34:26.000 So since the feds can't do their job, there's basically nothing keeping, there's no barrier on these illegal aliens. 0.97

03:34:32.000 So the Republicans really need to hammer this home.

03:34:35.000 And unless you're someone like me who's In that world and understands how immigration works, you wouldn't know these little nuanced things that I'm talking about right now. 0.53

03:34:41.000 So the Republicans need to fucking hash this out and explain to the public how When the Democrats are in, immigration goes crazy, not only because they're able to come in, but because law enforcement's ability to enforce immigration law is heavily reduced. 0.74

03:34:56.000 So he won. 0.98

03:34:58.000 I agree with you on that. 0.99

03:34:59.000 He won, but he could have done so much fucking better because this is his thing. 0.88

03:35:02.000 Okay, so immigration, what was the next one? 0.97

03:35:06.000 They talked about...

03:35:08.000 January 6th.

03:35:09.000 Sorry?

03:35:10.000 They went into January 6th.

03:35:11.000 Yeah. 0.94

03:35:12.000 Which I think that was fucked up because that inevitably puts Trump in a defensive position and puts Kamala where she doesn't have to do anything. 1.00

03:35:22.000 What do you think? 0.97

03:35:24.000 They said that he was involved in...

03:35:28.000 Starting the riots.

03:35:30.000 His response to that where he said, hey, I want everyone to be patriotic and peaceful.

03:35:35.000 Nancy Pelosi was responsible for the Capitol Police, which is true. 0.88

03:35:38.000 Then they used the Charlottesville thing, how he said that they're fine people. 0.98

03:35:41.000 And the bloodbath, you know, I think that was a very biased and fucked up question. 0.84

03:35:45.000 What's your take on that? 0.97

03:35:45.000 Should we even count that in? 0.97

03:35:47.000 Yeah, I mean, look, that was done intentionally to basically remind the American people that Jan 6 happened, remind the American people about Charlottesville.

03:35:57.000 And so even though he talked about the BLM riots, I mean, most of the left think that those riots were okay.

03:36:05.000 And so in reality, it was intentionally done, as he said.

03:36:09.000 So that was, I agree with you, it was an extremely biased question.

03:36:13.000 Intentionally done because there's no way he comes out looking well on that.

03:36:16.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.97

03:36:17.000 And I'm glad that I have you here, because you're someone that doesn't even like Trump, but you even acknowledged that was fucked up, that they brought that up. 0.95

03:36:25.000 Yeah, yeah, it's intentional. 0.94

03:36:26.000 Look, I do think ABC were biased.

03:36:28.000 That is without a doubt, because ABC is definitely on the left.

03:36:31.000 Just like if the...

03:36:33.000 Now, if the debate was on Fox, it would be biased.

03:36:37.000 And that's the reason why Kamala Harris isn't agreeing to go on Fox News. 1.00

03:36:41.000 So it shows that Trump is willing to go and debate on a channel which is an adversary and is going to be very harsh on him.

03:36:48.000 So you have to give him credit for that.

03:36:49.000 But yeah, I mean, that's definitely going to happen.

03:36:51.000 Alright, so I guess we'll skip the January whole 6th issue, but I just thought that that was really interesting that they even brought that up, which automatically puts Trump in a losing position.

03:37:02.000 Because basically what they wanted to do was paint him as an insurrectionist, is what they wanted to do.

03:37:08.000 Okay, let's see here.

03:37:11.000 Israel!

03:37:12.000 Yeah, before that, they talked about the previous elections as well.

03:37:15.000 And why I thought it was important was, again, they were quite smart in my view.

03:37:19.000 I think it was the moderator who said it.

03:37:21.000 I don't even think it was Kamala.

03:37:24.000 But it could have been Kamala.

03:37:25.000 I can't remember now.

03:37:25.000 But what they said was, oh, guess what?

03:37:27.000 Because she talked about crime. 0.68

03:37:29.000 And then she talked about the fact that he's a criminal, right?

03:37:32.000 The fact that he's been indicted and the fact that he's been found guilty both on criminal charges.

03:37:37.000 And then he's also the civil charge went against him.

03:37:40.000 He lost the civil charge as well.

03:37:42.000 Now, his response was really good.

03:37:44.000 His response was, oh, they're weaponizing the justice system. 0.93

03:37:50.000 But then their response was, wait a sec, why are you talking about weaponizing the justice system when you yourself said that when you're in charge, you're going to be weaponizing the justice system.

03:37:58.000 So I felt like they really got him on that.

03:38:00.000 And I think it was the ABC people who got him on that.

03:38:02.000 So I think that was something that he was really weak on because he wasn't expecting it.

03:38:07.000 Yeah, I knew that at some point they were going to bring up the conviction, the sexual assault, which is a civil case, and that woman didn't even know what rape meant. 1.00

03:38:20.000 Again, it was another biased attempt by them to try to make them look bad, but that's something that you just got to obviously roll with the punches.

03:38:28.000 Then the next topic they talked about was Israel-Palestine.

03:38:33.000 You're obviously probably one of the most outspoken people on Twitter on this topic.

03:38:38.000 So I'll kind of just defer to you here.

03:38:40.000 What was your thoughts on it?

03:38:41.000 What did you think on both candidates' opinions on Israel and how they're going to deal with the issue if they were to get into office?

03:38:48.000 She dominated on that issue.

03:38:51.000 Absolutely dominated.

03:38:53.000 And look, I want like your chat because I know it's a bit more right leaning, right?

03:38:57.000 Especially like I want you to get out of your like echo chamber.

03:39:00.000 Just think about it logically.

03:39:02.000 So what it is, is I travel the United States.

03:39:05.000 I spoke to many people on the left and liberals.

03:39:08.000 And you know what?

03:39:09.000 Many of them are going to withhold the vote.

03:39:10.000 They said we just cannot vote.

03:39:12.000 For this Biden or this administration that is basically partaking in this genocide.

03:39:20.000 And so they were withholding the vote.

03:39:21.000 You saw in the primaries, not many people vote in the primaries.

03:39:24.000 It's significantly less than the main election.

03:39:27.000 And yet...

03:39:29.000 Many people in key states, in key swing states, withheld their vote.

03:39:36.000 I believe in one of the states, I believe in Minneapolis, but I could be wrong, it was almost 20%.

03:39:42.000 In Michigan, I believe it was 15 or 20%.

03:39:45.000 It was huge proportions of people just showing that, look, we cannot support the Biden administration.

03:39:51.000 So you've got all of that vote.

03:39:53.000 And actually, in this election, you know what I told you at the beginning of the show, that I said that someone needs to be taught a lesson so that they know that these votes are going to matter.

03:40:03.000 And I thought it's going to happen from the left.

03:40:04.000 And that's why I supported the actual moving your vote away from the Democrats and making them lose the election so they realize that we can't be so controlled by the AIPAC and by the various lobbies.

03:40:17.000 They didn't do that.

03:40:18.000 And what's happened is with this debate, what she said is, he was just like, oh, Israel will be destroyed.

03:40:23.000 Like Israel, it's all about Israel. 0.98

03:40:25.000 He did mention the Arabs, but generally speaking, he was like, Israel is going to be destroyed.

03:40:28.000 There will be no Israel in two years. 1.00

03:40:30.000 All of the Axis are terrorists. 1.00

03:40:33.000 Whereas she basically tried to give a more balanced view.

03:40:37.000 She tried to say, oh, I fear for the Palestinians.

03:40:43.000 I fear for the Israelis. 1.00

03:40:44.000 Mahal goes out to the Palestinians. 0.84

03:40:46.000 Mahal goes out to the Israelis. 0.92

03:40:48.000 She spoke about both sides.

03:40:50.000 So even though she's at fault for the genocide, she is the vice president.

03:40:56.000 Despite that being the case, he attacked her.

03:40:58.000 He was like, oh, you did not even give Netanyahu respect when the world doesn't even respect Netanyahu.

03:41:02.000 So it shows how much he's devoid of reality or He just knows that election is not real and therefore it's going to be rigged for him.

03:41:10.000 Because for me, guaranteeing Kamala that vote, that vote that was going to say, we're not going to longer vote for you, the anti-war vote, kind of demonstrates his kind of control that he has and the lack of sovereignty he has over this administration.

03:41:26.000 So, on this one, I think they both failed, in my opinion.

03:41:32.000 Kamala basically was saying that the war must end, we have to push for a Tuesday solution, and she said that she's going to give Israel whatever they need to defend themselves.

03:41:43.000 Trump countered saying that she hates Netanyahu and she hates Israel because she wasn't there when he gave his speech.

03:41:48.000 Like you said before, in two to three years Israel will be gone under the Harris administration and that the axes are going to take over.

03:41:55.000 And then he also mentioned how when he was in office, Iran didn't have the money and resources that they have now to be able to launch a front against Israel. 0.75

03:42:03.000 Then KT basically, or Kamala Harris, sorry, counters that she supported Israel her whole career, and she tried to, you know, obviously deflect and say that, you know, Trump admires dictators, and he likes King Jonoon and all this other shit, and then Putin countered,

03:42:19.000 and then he countered with, you know, Putin endorsed Harris.

03:42:22.000 So, I think they both lost on the Israeli issue because I think the big problem here is Netanyahu. 0.75

03:42:29.000 Netanyahu is the biggest issue for Israel, and none of them have the balls to say that he's got to step down, we've got to get him out of here.

03:42:37.000 And if she wants to go ahead and have the conversation about a two-state solution, well, we've got to get rid of the guy that is never going to let that two-state solution happen, and that is Netanyahu. 0.69

03:42:45.000 I mean, he's been caught on tape multiple times talking about how he sabotaged it and how he doesn't actually want to work with Netanyahu.

03:42:56.000 I think?

03:43:09.000 He's going to have to deal with, you know, the chickens are going to have to roost, right? 0.87

03:43:13.000 Because we know he was in the middle of a criminal case right before this conflict occurred on October 7th, and it's like fucking perfect timing for him that he would use that to stay in power longer. 0.70

03:43:23.000 So I think this was a tie between the two.

03:43:25.000 I think both of them don't really have a solution.

03:43:28.000 They're kind of just like... 1.00

03:43:30.000 Who could suck Israel's dick better in this situation? 1.00

03:43:32.000 And they both, I think, did terrible. 1.00

03:43:34.000 And didn't really give any real solutions to this situation.

03:43:38.000 It's kind of like one of these kick-the-bucket-down-the-road type topics.

03:43:41.000 That no one wants to deal with this.

03:43:43.000 Because...

03:43:45.000 It's just a messy subject because, you know, if you're on a Democrat side, a lot of them tend to be pro-Palestinian.

03:43:53.000 So Harris can't really be too pro-Israel, but she also understands that Israel pays her bills.

03:43:59.000 So, you know, what's she going to do?

03:44:01.000 And then Trump, he could kind of just be full on, yeah, I support Israel because the GOP is controlled by Israel. 0.98

03:44:06.000 So, yeah, I think they both sucked on this one. 0.94

03:44:09.000 I wouldn't be able to define a winner on that one. 0.98

03:44:13.000 Yeah, and one thing to remember, one thing to know is as well, that Kamala's husband is a Jewish Zionist.

03:44:20.000 Trump's children are all Jewish Zionists. 0.97

03:44:22.000 Like this again, so when Trump tries to make this rhetoric, like she hates Israel, she wants Israel. 1.00

03:44:26.000 This is the most dumbest thing ever. 0.99

03:44:28.000 Nobody buys it. 1.00

03:44:29.000 And so it's just embarrassing.

03:44:30.000 But yeah, anyway, I know you think it was a draw.

03:44:33.000 So I do think she shared it.

03:44:34.000 I think, yeah, I think if anything, you know, the thing with Harris is that she's got to be political with it.

03:44:41.000 She can't, like, openly support Netanyahu, right?

03:44:45.000 Because that's going to look bad to her voter base, who tends to, the left tends to be way more pro-Palestinian.

03:44:49.000 So what she does is she supports him in private.

03:44:53.000 Like, I know Trump mentioned, oh, well, you weren't even there at his speech.

03:44:56.000 Well, she met with him in private after the fact, right?

03:44:58.000 So we know that happened.

03:45:00.000 And as a matter of fact, I would argue he probably got the green light from Harris to bomb Lebanon and Iran. 0.84

03:45:09.000 She probably got it from him.

03:45:11.000 Because we know Biden was kind of out of commission at that point. 0.99

03:45:15.000 So she probably got the green light to do the shit that he did after. 1.00

03:45:18.000 Because remember, he did the bombing campaigns right after coming from the United States. 1.00

03:45:23.000 There's no doubt they're both controlled by Zionists. 1.00

03:45:25.000 No doubt she's complicit in the genocide.

03:45:27.000 But if you look at it from a voter perspective, she's gained more votes from that than he has.

03:45:33.000 That's my main point about winning.

03:45:34.000 So there's now going to be a lot of people who, where he's presented her as being just, she's just presented himself as being just full on pro-Israel.

03:45:42.000 And he's presented her as being anti-Netanyahu, even though we know it's not the case.

03:45:47.000 And then she's give kind of a balanced response.

03:45:49.000 I think she's gained a lot more votes.

03:45:51.000 Okay, I see what you mean.

03:45:52.000 From an optics standpoint, she did better for the American public.

03:45:55.000 Me and you both know the truth, but I know what you mean.

03:45:58.000 To an impressionable voter that isn't aware of Middle Eastern foreign policy, Optically, you think she looks better?

03:46:04.000 Yeah.

03:46:05.000 Okay, understandable.

03:46:06.000 Alright, Ukraine, Russia. 0.65

03:46:08.000 What are your thoughts on this? 0.59

03:46:09.000 I think Trump killed her on this one.

03:46:11.000 Yeah, I think Trump did really good on this one. 0.56

03:46:13.000 This was probably the most decisive victory, in my opinion.

03:46:16.000 Yeah, that was decisive, without a doubt.

03:46:18.000 The Russia-Ukraine one. 0.69

03:46:19.000 The best one was, which I didn't expect, was where he was like...

03:46:22.000 You all went three days before to negotiate, and immediately after that, the literal Russia invade Ukraine.

03:46:29.000 Like, that's how much of a bad negotiate you are.

03:46:32.000 I thought that was just...

03:46:33.000 You want to reverse there on that one?

03:46:36.000 He absolutely destroyed her on that one.

03:46:38.000 It was just crazy.

03:46:39.000 Like I was like, whoa, gobsmacked.

03:46:41.000 Yeah, he destroyed her on that.

03:46:42.000 I mean, he was smart in the way he did it because I like not bothered to because I think he won this.

03:46:48.000 So at this point, but like what one thing he never ever answers is how he will solve the problem because there's actually no answer.

03:46:55.000 She did allude to it.

03:46:57.000 She said at the beginning, but then he destroyed it so badly that at the beginning, I thought she's going to win it because she said, look, he's got no answer on how he's going to deal with this issue.

03:47:04.000 How he's going to deal with it is by letting Russia, you know, continue to have the annex regions, continue to have Crimea, continue to have Donetsk, continue to have Oblast. 0.59

03:47:18.000 That's her argument.

03:47:19.000 And it's actually a very strong argument.

03:47:21.000 But she kind of just said it.

03:47:22.000 And I thought when she said it, she's going to win, but then he destroyed her.

03:47:25.000 But that's the real question.

03:47:26.000 I know he won this.

03:47:27.000 But my real question on this is, how is he going to solve it?

03:47:30.000 Because first of all, the only way of solving it is actually letting Russia keep it. 0.92

03:47:35.000 But then the media is going to attack him really badly.

03:47:37.000 The mainstream media is going to attack him really badly.

03:47:39.000 And previously, he has capitulated to the mainstream media, such as in COVID, such as in lockdowns.

03:47:44.000 So I'm just interested in how he's going to sort it out.

03:47:47.000 I'm not too confident.

03:47:49.000 I'm not saying he won't or will not.

03:47:51.000 I actually think he's probably best placed to do so compared to Kamala without a doubt.

03:47:55.000 But yeah, he definitely dominated on that.

03:47:57.000 I mean, not just dominated, he just destroyed it on You brought up a really good point as far as how is he going to do it.

03:48:02.000 I agree with you 100%.

03:48:03.000 What he is going to do is he's going to let Russia just keep the territories that they've conquered and just tell Ukraine, lick your wounds. 0.71

03:48:08.000 And he's probably going to iron out some deal with Russia where, hey, guys, look, this is the borders.

03:48:14.000 You guys got this area.

03:48:16.000 You can't pass this area, whatever the hell it is, whatever they decide.

03:48:20.000 And I think the strength for Trump is he actually does have open line of communication with Putin versus the Biden administration does not.

03:48:27.000 And he even asked her, have you talked to Putin at all?

03:48:29.000 You guys haven't talked to Putin in two years.

03:48:32.000 And Kamala could not answer that question, which I think is a part of the reason why she went over there and then three days later they invaded because she only spoke to one side.

03:48:41.000 She didn't even talk... 0.55

03:48:43.000 To anyone over at the Kremlin.

03:48:44.000 So I think that Trump absolutely destroyed her on this situation.

03:48:49.000 I agree with you that he doesn't want to disclose how he's going to do it, but I do think what he is going to do is he's just going to let Russia keep what they have and tell Ukraine, deal with it, and then that will end the conflict.

03:48:59.000 He can bring them both to the table because he does have an open line of communication with Putin.

03:49:04.000 And that's something that he has that the Democratic Party doesn't.

03:49:07.000 And I think that's how he was able to avoid Russia invading Ukraine for so long is because he had that relationship with Putin.

03:49:14.000 So yeah, he destroyed her.

03:49:16.000 I love that he used that in a reverse on her.

03:49:18.000 How three days later they literally went in.

03:49:22.000 So what else here?

03:49:26.000 Anything else you want to add to that before we get to the next topic?

03:49:28.000 No, I agree with you.

03:49:29.000 I think if there's any chance of that situation ending, that war ending, it's Donald Trump.

03:49:35.000 That one, I would definitely give a tick to Donald Trump on.

03:49:38.000 I'm not convinced that he'll be able to do that, though.

03:49:41.000 That's the only thing, because I just think about how much he's controlled by Trump.

03:49:45.000 The military and digital complex now, how the mainstream media will attack him so badly.

03:49:49.000 And look, he did capitulate in COVID. I know people are like, oh my God, he was so amazing in COVID. No, he wasn't.

03:49:54.000 He locked down.

03:49:55.000 UK followed Sue.

03:49:56.000 So I blame him for the lockdowns in the UK. And also, if you look at it, he was the father of the vaccine as well.

03:50:02.000 And all of that was because of pressure.

03:50:04.000 From the media because you could tell initially he was pushing back.

03:50:07.000 He didn't believe in it.

03:50:09.000 And so that showed that even if he doesn't believe in something, if there's enough media pressure, he will capitulate.

03:50:14.000 And so then it comes to your right.

03:50:18.000 Logically, we all know from knowing that region, from knowing geopolitics, the best way of ending that is just giving the annexed regions to Russia.

03:50:27.000 And that means Ukraine takes back the extra territory that Russia has also taken.

03:50:32.000 That's just the way to end it.

03:50:34.000 But we know that the pushback is going to be so huge that I'm not confident that it's going to occur, just based on Trump's past.

03:50:40.000 Yeah, he's going to have to basically promise no more NATO expansion, give Russia the territories that they have, probably end the sanctions, and that's the only way to do it.

03:50:49.000 But yeah, again, optically, that looks terrible.

03:50:51.000 And the mainstream media is going to hate that.

03:50:52.000 They're going to say he's weak for that.

03:50:54.000 But I think, honestly, I think...

03:50:57.000 We're in a position now where the Ukraine support is no longer as big as it was.

03:51:04.000 No, no, it is though, Myron.

03:51:06.000 I was just checking today because that was for your show.

03:51:08.000 I didn't look at it today.

03:51:10.000 Even now, the data shows that the vast majority of the American public are for Ukraine.

03:51:15.000 25% say you guys gave...

03:51:18.000 The right amount of money.

03:51:19.000 Another 25%, we said, we need to give more.

03:51:23.000 And I think I believe like 20% were like, oh, we've given too much.

03:51:27.000 And then 30% were like, we're not sure about the issue.

03:51:30.000 So the vast majority of Americans are for Ukraine and want to give them more money or give them a loss.

03:51:36.000 Which poll was this?

03:51:36.000 This is another issue that even though we are logical, we understand we're anti-war, we understand peace, but actually Americans are pro-Ukraine.

03:51:45.000 Which poll did this come from?

03:51:47.000 Because from what I've seen, it seems to me is that they're not supportive of our enormous amount of funding to Zelenskyy.

03:51:54.000 I'll get that for you because I was looking at it before I came on your show because I did think that was going to be the case and hence why you've got such a support for it, especially bipartisan.

03:52:03.000 Especially because the media said, I'll have to find it.

03:52:05.000 I didn't have it on the tabs.

03:52:06.000 But yeah, I did see it.

03:52:08.000 It was a 2024 call.

03:52:10.000 I agree with you that the mainstream media is going to absolutely try to cook him.

03:52:14.000 For doing that, which is why he doesn't want to disclose how he's going to do it.

03:52:17.000 And he more relies on, I have open lines with Putin and we're going to end this war.

03:52:21.000 And he doesn't talk about how he's going to do it because they're going to destroy him.

03:52:24.000 Matter of fact, they asked him this very question on the last debate.

03:52:27.000 How are you going to do it?

03:52:28.000 And he did not answer the question.

03:52:29.000 He just said he would end the war, but he didn't go into detail.

03:52:32.000 But I agree with you.

03:52:32.000 Me and you both know what he's going to do.

03:52:34.000 He just doesn't want...

03:52:37.000 Backlash optically for it, but it's the only way.

03:52:39.000 You know, most Americans just gotta eat it.

03:52:42.000 Hey, look, bro.

03:52:43.000 We've spent too much money on Ukraine. 1.00

03:52:44.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

03:52:45.000 NATO's gotta stop expanding. 1.00

03:52:46.000 It is what it is.

03:52:48.000 Russia was valid in their invasion, you know, and people don't want to hear that. 0.95

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03:54:59.000 Awesome.

03:54:59.000 So, thank you for that, Mo.

03:55:02.000 I've got the research for you.

03:55:04.000 Oh, sorry.

03:55:04.000 Go ahead, go ahead.

03:55:05.000 Yeah, because we'll finish off Ukraine off what you say and then we'll go to Afghanistan next.

03:55:09.000 Yeah, so this is from Pew.

03:55:11.000 It's actually from a few.

03:55:12.000 So, Lawfare have stated it as well as Pew Research.

03:55:15.000 So, actually, I've got the exact figures here.

03:55:17.000 So, this is from May.

03:55:19.000 So, just from a few months ago.

03:55:21.000 And it says 31% of Americans say you're giving too much support to Ukraine.

03:55:27.000 And then you've got 25% saying we're giving the right amount and 24% we should have said that we should give even more and then 18% are like we're not bothered.

03:55:36.000 So the vast majority of Americans are saying either you're giving the right amount remember you've given 250 billion according to Trump and you've given the right amount and actually 24% are saying that's not enough like a quarter of a billion is not enough we should give more. 0.98

03:55:53.000 Damn, yeah.

03:55:55.000 Yeah, so what, like 50% then are basically saying either enough or give more? 0.98

03:56:01.000 Yeah, and 31% are saying we've given too much, and then 18% are saying they didn't vote.

03:56:07.000 They don't have an opinion, so we don't know.

03:56:09.000 Okay, interesting.

03:56:13.000 So, Afghanistan is next. 0.99

03:56:16.000 I think he did well on this.

03:56:17.000 I think he was able to, because she tried to say, hey, he's negotiating with terrorists.

03:56:22.000 He wanted to bring them to Ken David, who's one of her talking points, blah, blah, blah.

03:56:26.000 But I think he did a great una-reverse here, and he said, no, we negotiated with them because I was telling this guy, I think Ahmed is what he's saying, the leader of the Taliban, I know where you live.

03:56:35.000 We have your house here.

03:56:37.000 I showed the satellite image, because I remember hearing this story before. 0.87

03:56:39.000 If one more soldier dies, if one soldier's hurt, We're going to blow you into smithereens.

03:56:44.000 And there was not one soldier killed.

03:56:46.000 So I think he was able to kind of take her, you negotiate with terrorists proposition and spin it and show, yeah, I wasn't negotiating. 0.97

03:56:54.000 I was fucking letting him know that he had an ultimatum. 0.90

03:56:56.000 So I think he actually won the Afghanistan topic. 0.96

03:56:58.000 What's your take on it?

03:56:59.000 I thought it was a draw, and I'll explain why.

03:57:01.000 Okay.

03:57:02.000 That was another one that I thought would be a Trump slam dunk because the way we all view it is Biden, the way he came out of Afghanistan, was horrible.

03:57:11.000 Military personnel died.

03:57:12.000 They left so much equipment, $85 billion.

03:57:15.000 So coming in, I thought this is another slam dunk for Trump if you're going to speak about Afghanistan.

03:57:20.000 The fact that she talked about the fact that Trump...

03:57:24.000 Failed to make a deal because I always thought Trump made the deal and then Biden just implemented it later.

03:57:30.000 But what Trump admitted is actually the negotiate...

03:57:33.000 Or was it Trump or her?

03:57:34.000 They both agreed on it anyway, that the negotiations broke down and there was no deal.

03:57:38.000 And it was actually Biden who got America out of Afghanistan.

03:57:41.000 If Biden did, that is huge.

03:57:43.000 That it was actually Biden.

03:57:44.000 I knew Biden did it physically, but I always thought it was Trump's plan that he implemented.

03:57:47.000 But what this debate showed is actually it was Biden's plan and Biden got...

03:57:53.000 America out of Afghanistan, which is both huge financially, the amount of money that it saves. 0.69

03:57:57.000 I forgot the figure that she said, but it was a huge figure.

03:57:59.000 It was like 100 million a day or something like that, or 300 million a day, something.

03:58:05.000 Exactly.

03:58:05.000 So that's much more bigger than the 85 billion in equipment.

03:58:08.000 So she has overall saved the United States a huge amount of money.

03:58:13.000 They were terrible in terms of getting out.

03:58:15.000 She gave him a chance to say that story, which was a bit dumb because she's talking about him bypassing. 0.66

03:58:19.000 That was a A fundamental error in our point because I've heard that story from Trump.

03:58:24.000 So I knew that as soon as she said that, that's what Trump's gonna say.

03:58:27.000 So that's why I said it's even because he kind of faulted because now we know it was actually Biden who got him out and she faulted because she gave him the Abdul story.

03:58:36.000 Okay.

03:58:37.000 Alright, I think he edged her on that one because the way they got out was so fucking bad that even him getting out and saving that money was just a terrible way to go out.

03:58:46.000 We lost a lot of classified equipment, etc.

03:58:49.000 But I could see your perspective as well.

03:58:52.000 Okay, I guess next was healthcare.

03:58:55.000 Yeah.

03:58:56.000 I mean, race will skip. 0.82

03:58:58.000 I thought the race was put in there to, again, give her an easy win and to turn again the minority public against him and missing a lot of the public in the left.

03:59:07.000 Yeah.

03:59:07.000 So that was put in there.

03:59:08.000 But yeah, in terms of Obamacare, in terms of, yeah, I thought he, she won significantly.

03:59:14.000 I thought she gave a very, very good reason for why she believes in the importance of Obamacare.

03:59:20.000 She talked about the fact that She does believe in private healthcare now as well, even though she made comments in the past that were different.

03:59:27.000 When they asked him for his plan, he was like, I've got no plan.

03:59:30.000 I'll think about it.

03:59:31.000 It's like nine years you've talked negatively about Obamacare and then you've not really got a plan.

03:59:36.000 An average American, an average human would think that it's important to help people out in healthcare.

03:59:42.000 Like healthcare should be available to people.

03:59:44.000 That's one of my beliefs.

03:59:45.000 That's one of my positions that's definitely on the left is that, look...

03:59:49.000 I don't care if you're rich or poor, like a poor person should have access to healthcare just because of like the postcode lottery doesn't mean that you shouldn't have access.

03:59:55.000 So that is something that not only do I believe in, I think she won considerably and significantly on it.

04:00:02.000 He had no plan.

04:00:03.000 He had no idea.

04:00:03.000 He had no position.

04:00:05.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

04:00:06.000 She did win on that one.

04:00:07.000 And the reason why she won on that one, it was very obvious that Trump was disheveled when that question was brought up.

04:00:12.000 He didn't really have a counter for it.

04:00:14.000 I mean, he said, I have concepts and ideas, but he didn't have an actual plan.

04:00:19.000 And all Kamala said basically is like, yeah, I'm doing X. She won, but he could have won too.

04:00:26.000 She won only because she had an answer versus he didn't.

04:00:30.000 You know what I mean?

04:00:31.000 So it's something that he could have absolutely easily beat her on because he could have been like, oh yeah, she's lazy.

04:00:38.000 She's using what's already in place.

04:00:40.000 She doesn't have a plan. 0.63

04:00:41.000 And if he had just been able to outline his plan, even if it's not optimal, right?

04:00:45.000 He could have taken a page out of the Democrats book and sold the dream there.

04:00:48.000 He really could've, right?

04:00:50.000 Because that's what she's been doing all the time.

04:00:51.000 I'm gonna build three million homes.

04:00:53.000 I'm gonna do X, Y, Z. Like, he could've went ahead and just sold a dream, right?

04:00:56.000 I'm not saying, oh, yeah, yeah, lied to the American public, but dammit, dude, like, you could've had something in place because when they pressed him on it, they asked him twice, he was like, I have concepts and procedures and blah, blah, blah. 0.91

04:01:06.000 But he didn't have an actual solid plan on how he would deal with it besides saying, Obamacare sucks, it's too expensive, but he didn't give a counter, which I think he could've easily fucking done, but they caught him off guard with that one because, again, They didn't tell the candidates what things were going to be. 0.92

04:01:23.000 I find it interesting now that we're kind of going through this and we're rehashing the topics that they talked about. 0.91

04:01:28.000 They didn't talk about the LGBT community.

04:01:31.000 They didn't talk about the Department of Education.

04:01:33.000 They didn't talk about how they have that stuff in the schools.

04:01:36.000 And I think ABC purposely did that because Trump would have smacked her on these social issues.

04:01:42.000 With, you know, rainbow flags and all other stuff.

04:01:45.000 They, you know, went on to healthcare, you know, but then they want to ask about, you know, him claiming that she's not black in January 6th, right?

04:01:52.000 Which I think was very poor on ABC to do, because that's unbiased.

04:01:57.000 Next is climate change.

04:01:59.000 Just on that though, before we go on that, they did have one comment on that.

04:02:03.000 I know they didn't really talk about the topic, But because they mentioned it, I still think she won on it.

04:02:07.000 I want to hear your thoughts, because this is one of your things that you're very much into, is guns.

04:02:13.000 I know you had a response, but Trump didn't have a response, right?

04:02:16.000 I heard you, because I was listening, because I heard you make a comment about automatic weapons, I believe you said.

04:02:21.000 But he didn't.

04:02:22.000 So she said, he said, oh, you want to ban guns. 1.00

04:02:25.000 And she was like, that's not true.

04:02:26.000 I'm for guns.

04:02:27.000 And so is my VP. And that was the end of it.

04:02:30.000 And he gave no pushback.

04:02:31.000 So again, it looked like one of the things about guns, one of the talking points that Republicans have was destroyed by Kamala.

04:02:37.000 It was actually you.

04:02:38.000 You mentioned it.

04:02:39.000 I heard you saying it on the, when we were doing the commentary.

04:02:42.000 You said it, but he didn't say it.

04:02:43.000 That demonstrates to me that again, that point she won.

04:02:46.000 And you agree.

04:02:47.000 And what's your thoughts on that?

04:02:48.000 Yeah, he should have pushed back on the guns thing because she says that I'm a gun owner, blah, blah, blah.

04:02:53.000 No, she has supported banning automatic weapons, banning assault rifles.

04:03:00.000 She has supported police officers not being in schools.

04:03:04.000 Right, which we just had the shooting in Georgia, which if there weren't police officers there, more kids would have gotten killed.

04:03:10.000 Those police officers were able to get, were on scene already, and they were able to get the shooter to surrender quickly, and they didn't kill him.

04:03:16.000 So it worked out, you know, in the best scenario, in a horrible situation.

04:03:20.000 He should have attacked her on that. 1.00

04:03:21.000 Like, he could have totally fucked her up on that. 1.00

04:03:23.000 Right? 0.98

04:03:24.000 Now me, knowing Trump's policies and knowing what she said, I was able to come to a logically sound conclusion and be like, this woman's full of it, like she's not pro-gun at all. 0.89

04:03:32.000 But the American public might not know that.

04:03:35.000 Right?

04:03:36.000 So again, it's kind of like the immigration situation. 0.97

04:03:38.000 I know she's a bullshitter when it comes to immigration.

04:03:41.000 She don't know what she's talking about because I know what's in place when Democrats are in and what's in place when Republicans come in. 0.62

04:03:46.000 But the American public doesn't know this stuff.

04:03:49.000 So he should have pushed back on that and said, no, you want to ban automatic weapons.

04:03:53.000 You're not pro-gun.

04:03:54.000 You even supported, you know, people.

04:03:58.000 Giving their guns to the government, something similar to what Australia did.

04:04:02.000 You are against police officers being at schools. 0.99

04:04:05.000 He should have totally fucking shit on her there, and he didn't. 0.99

04:04:08.000 Again, you're correct. 1.00

04:04:09.000 That was an opportunity for a slam dunk because she lied and said, oh no, I'm pro-gun. 0.99

04:04:14.000 Yeah, you might be pro-handgun, bitch, but you're not pro-gun for real. 1.00

04:04:18.000 So you admit he flopped on that, though? 0.99

04:04:22.000 He did flop on that.

04:04:23.000 He could have absolutely hooked her on that.

04:04:25.000 Now, with that said, I know he has way better gun policies, but that's me.

04:04:28.000 And that's not good.

04:04:29.000 He could have articulated that better for the American public.

04:04:33.000 But no, good point there.

04:04:36.000 Climate change.

04:04:37.000 What do you think?

04:04:40.000 Sorry.

04:04:41.000 No, I mean, climate change, what do you think?

04:04:42.000 I think this was a waste of time, personally, but what do you think?

04:04:45.000 Yeah, look, I don't believe in the climate change hoax, right?

04:04:49.000 So, again, but Trump didn't, like, look, they used to call it, like, global warming, and then they realized that Earth's not warming.

04:04:56.000 So, look, I've written about, I wrote about this, like, 10 years ago, as I did, like, population collapse.

04:04:59.000 I don't believe in climate change.

04:05:00.000 I think this is just, like...

04:05:02.000 The same scientists who basically did the propaganda about nuclear winter in the 70s are the same people who were doing this about climate change.

04:05:09.000 I did write about this about maybe 15 years ago, actually.

04:05:12.000 So I don't want to go too much into climate change unless you ever want to.

04:05:15.000 But it is like, I don't believe in it.

04:05:17.000 So the point was they asked it on purpose because, again, they want to prepare...

04:05:21.000 They want to present Trump as this kind of, like, conspiracy theory guy because when you say that you don't believe in climate change, automatically people do believe that it's conspiracy theory, even in academia.

04:05:32.000 Like, my background is academia.

04:05:34.000 I went to many conferences where I presented papers, right?

04:05:37.000 And, like, someone was presenting a paper on, like, climate change, and I was like, bruv.

04:05:40.000 And then I just put...

04:05:41.000 And this is, like, someone whose expertise is in climate change.

04:05:44.000 My expertise is not in climate change.

04:05:44.000 My expertise is in philosophy.

04:05:46.000 But he was presenting a paper on climate change and I literally pushed back on him significantly and they found it as like a conspiracy theory but they couldn't handle the questions which pushed back on it in terms of from a scientific perspective.

04:05:57.000 Now why I say that is because The people, American public, as well as British public, as well as academia, do believe that it's actually a conspiracy theory to push back on climate change because the climate is changing.

04:06:10.000 But what they're claiming isn't the reason why climate is changing.

04:06:14.000 That's where the misnomer is.

04:06:15.000 And that's where the misnomer is.

04:06:16.000 Because they think that the climate is changing because of our actions and the impact we're having on the environment.

04:06:22.000 Now, there are certain environmental impacts we're having, but not in a kind of global warming climate change perspective.

04:06:28.000 Obviously, Trump probably won't know that.

04:06:30.000 So they did that to basically, again, attack him.

04:06:32.000 A bit like the race question.

04:06:33.000 A bit like the other question they did.

04:06:36.000 There was another...

04:06:37.000 January 6th.

04:06:38.000 January 6th one.

04:06:39.000 They did that on purpose to get him because then she... 1.00

04:06:42.000 When it came to her, she didn't even talk about climate change.

04:06:45.000 She's not going to talk about it because the science isn't strong.

04:06:47.000 But she then talked about manufacturing jobs.

04:06:49.000 How she brought manufacturing jobs into it. 0.98

04:06:51.000 And then he claimed that they lost manufacturing jobs in the last year.

04:06:54.000 So I think on that one, it was pretty even, to be honest.

04:06:56.000 Yeah, this discussion quickly devolved from climate change right into manufacturing jobs.

04:07:01.000 I agree with you.

04:07:02.000 Because I think both parties understand, you know, climate change.

04:07:06.000 Here's the thing with climate change.

04:07:08.000 It exists.

04:07:09.000 It's real.

04:07:10.000 But it isn't pertinent.

04:07:12.000 And I think that's the most important thing for people to realize.

04:07:14.000 When people say it's a hoax, that's kind of like an oversimplification of this problem.

04:07:19.000 It exists.

04:07:20.000 Water levels are rising.

04:07:22.000 Yes, we do understand.

04:07:23.000 Glaciers are melting.

04:07:24.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

04:07:25.000 But is it really creating significant global detriment where we're all going to fucking die? 0.99

04:07:30.000 No. 0.99

04:07:31.000 We have way more fucking pressing issues like hungry children, wars, etc. 0.98

04:07:35.000 It's at the bottom of the list and the fact that they even brought this up in the debate is comical. 0.96

04:07:41.000 Someone like you that would be a little bit more left, obviously you're a sensible person on the left because a lot of people on the left would actually disagree with you and fight you on this and say you're just a conspiracy theorist because anyone that looks at climate change as a joke is automatically labeled a conspiracy theorist.

04:07:57.000 But I just don't think it's important and pertinent.

04:08:00.000 But yeah, this quickly turned into a manufacturing job, right?

04:08:04.000 She said that she created 800,000 jobs investing in clean energy.

04:08:08.000 They invested $3 trillion on this, and she said that she was opening factories.

04:08:13.000 Trump countered saying that they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this month alone, and he went ahead and claimed that they outsourced some of these manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico.

04:08:26.000 I guess you could say split down the middle because this is kind of a topic that I don't even think this should have been asked.

04:08:31.000 They should have focused more on American industry so that we can have a more concise and focused conversation on that versus climate change. 0.97

04:08:39.000 But it's fucking ABC, so what do you expect? 0.98

04:08:42.000 This is like when they talked about black colleges on the last debate with Biden. 0.99

04:08:47.000 This doesn't matter. 1.00

04:08:50.000 This is stupid. 1.00

04:08:53.000 But yeah, I think this one was split down the middle. 1.00

04:08:56.000 I think this was a tie.

04:08:57.000 What do you think?

04:08:58.000 Yeah, I agree.

04:08:58.000 I agree.

04:08:59.000 I think it was a tie.

04:08:59.000 And just to give you my position on climate change, I not only don't think it's a pertinent issue, I don't think it's a real issue because my point is this, that if you look at history, if you look at the last 200 or 300 years where we've basically got recorded weather changes and climate changes and so on and so forth,

04:09:18.000 There's a natural occurrence that occurs.

04:09:20.000 And so even though, yes, there is certain areas that are warming, but again, if you look at it, this naturally occurs.

04:09:27.000 So if you look at it a thousand years ago, we had natural, naturally the earth became warmer, naturally the earth became cooler.

04:09:34.000 And so I don't think, my whole argument is actually that this whole climate change isn't real because they're trying to make it look like it's because of our output.

04:09:42.000 Now, industrialization does have some impact, but what they're claiming is definitely not happening.

04:09:46.000 So I'm actually trying to say it's a hoax.

04:09:48.000 Gotcha.

04:09:48.000 Okay, so you actually fully believe that human industrialization, fossil fuels, etc., have nothing to do with the warming, and you're saying that's a natural byproduct that's been going on for hundreds of years, thousands of years.

04:09:59.000 For millennia, yeah.

04:10:01.000 For millennia.

04:10:01.000 Okay, fair enough.

04:10:03.000 Yeah, I mean, for me, I look at it like it's occurring, but it's not pertinent.

04:10:07.000 You know what I mean?

04:10:08.000 And yeah, I would probably agree with you on the fact that we don't have as much impact on it as we try to say.

04:10:14.000 Because at the end of the day, what?

04:10:16.000 Human beings inhabit how much percentage of the land mass?

04:10:20.000 A small percentage.

04:10:21.000 The overwhelming majority is still natural.

04:10:24.000 Humans don't inhabit this significant amount of land where we're able to create such a crazy impact.

04:10:32.000 At the end of the day.

04:10:33.000 Like, most land is completely uninhabited and completely natural.

04:10:37.000 So, I don't know.

04:10:38.000 Now, I'm not saying we don't have impact on the earth.

04:10:41.000 Like, for example, when we're throwing away, like, plastics and these type of things.

04:10:45.000 Of course, they cause cancer and these type of things. 0.61

04:10:46.000 That's a separate point because people try to conflate all these issues.

04:10:49.000 Yes, they're different.

04:10:49.000 Yeah, I agree with you on that, too.

04:10:51.000 Yeah, but when it comes to, like, us using fossil fuels and affecting the world, like, yeah, fuck out of here. 1.00

04:10:57.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

04:10:59.000 Okay, now we get to the conclusions. 1.00

04:11:01.000 I think he destroyed her on the closing statements.

04:11:04.000 I think the strongest point that he made was like, look, she's in now.

04:11:09.000 She's in power now. 0.99

04:11:11.000 The country is obvious.

04:11:12.000 We can all agree that the country is in a very bad position right now.

04:11:16.000 And Who do you have to blame?

04:11:18.000 Well, she's in.

04:11:19.000 And I think that in itself is a very strong argument.

04:11:23.000 We can make the argument that the economy was in a better position when Trump was in.

04:11:26.000 So I think off of that alone, I think he made a much stronger conclusionary argument.

04:11:32.000 What are your thoughts?

04:11:33.000 Yeah, I thought she did better in the conclusion.

04:11:35.000 And I'll try and explain why.

04:11:37.000 Oh, you think she did better or badder, you said?

04:11:39.000 Sorry, she did better.

04:11:41.000 And the reason she did better was because of this.

04:11:44.000 That if you look at her message at the end, it was, I'm bringing the country together.

04:11:48.000 I'm going to bring people of all variety of ideas and thoughts together.

04:11:52.000 This kind of uniting thing.

04:11:53.000 This is the kind of claim that Biden made, although we knew he was lying about it.

04:11:56.000 He never did that.

04:11:57.000 But that's what actually won him the election.

04:11:59.000 If you remember very close to the election...

04:12:02.000 All the narrative that all of the mainstream media in the United States and all the channels, I used to watch it regularly, was, he's a uniter, Trump's a divider.

04:12:11.000 He's a uniter, Trump's a divider.

04:12:13.000 And that message became, and people said, we want a united country.

04:12:16.000 And that's why people voted for Biden.

04:12:18.000 Now, what happened this time was, after the shooting, someone gave Trump some terrible advice, which was that you need to be the uniter.

04:12:25.000 So he's not saying, I'm going to unite the country. 0.99

04:12:27.000 And Susie Wills, I think is her fucking name. 0.99

04:12:30.000 Susie Wiles, yeah. 1.00

04:12:31.000 Wiles, yeah. 0.81

04:12:31.000 His campaign managers. 0.81

04:12:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

04:12:34.000 They gave him horrible, horrible advice.

04:12:35.000 And he didn't even talk about his assassination attempt, which should have been used about how they're trying to take him out.

04:12:40.000 He mentioned it in one sentence like, I got shot in the head, and he didn't go deeper.

04:12:43.000 Exactly.

04:12:44.000 That was on today's one.

04:12:45.000 But generally speaking, throughout, since this happened, they've not really talked about it that much.

04:12:49.000 And...

04:12:50.000 People don't see Trump as that, because today he attacked the media a bit as well.

04:12:54.000 Whereas she said, I'm a uniter, I'm bringing people together.

04:12:57.000 So he's trying to use her message, but they already own that message.

04:13:02.000 So by relaying that message, which people now think that that failure was on Biden, not her anymore.

04:13:10.000 I think the entire conclusion ended up being in her favor.

04:13:13.000 Whereas his message should have been like, look, They tried to kill me.

04:13:16.000 They tried to assassinate me.

04:13:18.000 Because I'm better for you.

04:13:19.000 They control things.

04:13:21.000 That type of stuff.

04:13:21.000 If he gave that kind of conclusion, then I would have said he's won.

04:13:24.000 But his conclusion, I think, wasn't that...

04:13:26.000 She's been in power for three and a half years. 0.69

04:13:27.000 But we know the VP has no power whatsoever.

04:13:30.000 He has actually been in power four years.

04:13:32.000 And they believe that he divided the country.

04:13:35.000 And so, therefore, I do think if you look at the conclusion that she did, she did a lot better.

04:13:38.000 You think so?

04:13:39.000 Okay.

04:13:39.000 I guess, yeah, I think he did a lot better because she's in and he could have went harder.

04:13:43.000 Like, hey, look, she's in right now.

04:13:45.000 She's the vice president. 0.98

04:13:47.000 Biden isn't even fucking doing anything right now. 0.99

04:13:49.000 Who's running this country? 0.98

04:13:49.000 We haven't seen him in weeks. 0.98

04:13:50.000 He did allude to that a little bit.

04:13:52.000 He could have kind of brought that in together how he's not around.

04:13:56.000 She's the vice president, strongest in the country, etc., and kind of really hit it home there. 0.97

04:14:01.000 But I do think he did better on the conclusion than she did, because at the end of the day, we all agree that the economy isn't in a good place, and we have problems, and who's in office?

04:14:11.000 It's her.

04:14:12.000 And he could definitely, I think that's what made it very strong.

04:14:14.000 But what do we got here?

04:14:17.000 I think that was mostly all the topics.

04:14:22.000 Overall, what do you think, Suleiman, with the debate and everything else? 0.92

04:14:25.000 Do you think we need a second one to hash some shit out? 0.92

04:14:27.000 If I was Kamala, I wouldn't do a second one because I think she caught Trump where he thought it's going to be easy and she dominated him. 0.98

04:14:35.000 Next time, he's going to be a lot more prepared, a lot more better.

04:14:37.000 I can't see Trump losing again.

04:14:40.000 And so for that reason, I don't think it was a smart idea for her to go ask for it.

04:14:44.000 But I think that was a campaign strategy and a very smart strategy.

04:14:47.000 So if I was part of a campaign, I would have done that.

04:14:49.000 I would have said, say, you're going to do it again to say that, look, this guy, like, listen, it's more of a like alpha kind of dominating leadership personality to say, look, I smashed you and I'll smash you again.

04:15:02.000 So it came from a position of strength.

04:15:04.000 So I think that was smart.

04:15:05.000 But in terms of Trump, he should definitely want to try and debate again.

04:15:09.000 You think she's bluffing?

04:15:09.000 She doesn't really want to do another one, right?

04:15:11.000 I think if she does, then that's very bad advice.

04:15:15.000 So I don't think she's bluffing.

04:15:16.000 Yeah, I see her position like that.

04:15:18.000 She's doing a kind of show like, hey, I'm not scared of you.

04:15:20.000 We can do this again.

04:15:22.000 But yeah, I think she's bluffing as well.

04:15:24.000 I think she's bluffing.

04:15:25.000 And I think Trump knew he lost, hence why.

04:15:27.000 Come on, what we saw at the end, we weren't expecting it.

04:15:29.000 He goes around, look at the polls, look at the polls, I wonder the polls.

04:15:32.000 And then actually people are taking their makeup, just looking at it, like his polls are from like Truth Social.

04:15:37.000 At least one of them are possibly two other Twitter polls and actually Polymarket, which is actually owned or controlled by JD Vance.

04:15:44.000 JD Vance, sorry, not JD Vance.

04:15:47.000 Peter Thiel.

04:15:48.000 And Peter Thiel basically put J.D. Vance in place.

04:15:50.000 He's the one who made Trump take J.D. Vance as a VFP. Even they're saying that Kamala won.

04:15:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

04:15:57.000 I think, now that we've kind of gone through the points and hashed it out, I think Trump edged her, but by the skin of his fucking teeth, bro. 0.99

04:16:07.000 Like, I think he did edge her. 0.99

04:16:09.000 Like, I think he did win, but not decisively enough, man.

04:16:12.000 Not enough where people are gonna go to the polls and say, yep, my mind has changed.

04:16:18.000 I think the people that were gonna vote for Kamala...

04:16:21.000 They're gonna still vote for her. 0.99

04:16:22.000 I don't think he brought anybody over from the left.

04:16:25.000 And I think the people that were gonna vote for Trump are still gonna vote for him.

04:16:28.000 We have not converted any independent voters with this debate.

04:16:31.000 I think he won, but he didn't convert anybody, in my opinion.

04:16:34.000 Do you think Kamala converted anybody? 0.88

04:16:39.000 That's a damn good question. 0.60

04:16:46.000 I would say, if anything, she might have converted more people than Trump converted. 0.97

04:16:50.000 Yeah.

04:16:50.000 I think if you're someone in the middle, and you're not aware of certain things...

04:17:04.000 So I think...

04:17:21.000 I think the people that already have their opinions are going to stick with their opinions.

04:17:26.000 If you're a Democrat, you're not coming over to Trump after this.

04:17:29.000 And if you're a Trump supporter, you're not going over to Kamala. 0.94

04:17:31.000 If you're in the middle, I think more of those people are probably going to go towards Kamala than to Trump because Trump didn't fucking explain the stuff as well as he should have. 0.98

04:17:46.000 Hell, J.D. Vance explained some of the stuff better when he sat down with Hannity just now. 0.94

04:17:51.000 And this is where sometimes it's very important to be a better speaker because you're able to articulate your points and the person that articulates their points better a lot of the times is able to get the support even though their points aren't better.

04:18:03.000 In this situation here, like for example with the guns, the immigration, Russia-Ukraine, Afghanistan, these are all things that Trump is superior to her in but he barely won those points when it should have been a clear fucking decisive victory on all of them.

04:18:20.000 And that's for me, having back knowledge, knowing where she really stands and where he really stands on this stuff after watching them both speak on this.

04:18:28.000 But to someone else, right?

04:18:30.000 The average American isn't that politically savvy.

04:18:33.000 They don't have time to sit there and analyze the news and then look at the contrary news and then look at Twitter, etc.

04:18:39.000 They're just going to go off with this debate, right?

04:18:41.000 Let's be honest. 0.99

04:18:43.000 The average American is going to sit down, watch this debate, and not have a fucking clue where either of them stand. 0.98

04:18:50.000 And for someone like that, they might lean towards Kamala. 0.98

04:18:54.000 Unfortunately.

04:18:56.000 But doesn't that mean, from your perspective, that Kamala won the debate because she's won more votes?

04:19:01.000 Um...

04:19:02.000 I don't think so because I think right now Trump has more overall supporters at this point.

04:19:06.000 I think the polling has kind of shown that, that he's kind of, as Kamala has been ducking the press, ducking interviews, ducking adversarial news stations, she's lost support.

04:19:18.000 Trump's gained that support.

04:19:19.000 But now with this debate, people that were in the middle might lean a little bit more towards her, but I don't think it's significant to kind of close on those numbers that Trump gained in the past few weeks from Kamala running from the media.

04:19:33.000 Because I think this is actually the first time her feet have been held to the fire.

04:19:37.000 She did well.

04:19:38.000 Yeah, so she didn't do terrible for having her feet held to the fire.

04:19:42.000 But I will say this, this debate might embolden her to go on a Fox News, to sit down with a Sean Hannity maybe.

04:19:49.000 And that'll be good because they'll be able to really cook her on some things. 0.99

04:19:54.000 I don't think she will.

04:19:55.000 If I was her campaign advisor, I wouldn't let her.

04:19:58.000 Okay, so you still think she's not going to do it?

04:20:01.000 No, no, I don't think she will.

04:20:02.000 I think this was such a decisive victory.

04:20:04.000 And remember, Trump is really good at debating.

04:20:07.000 You have to remember that.

04:20:08.000 I don't remember Trump losing a debate.

04:20:10.000 He's won every debate quite convincingly, both in his 2016 primaries, his 2016 presidential debates, his 2020 presidential debates, And then his 2024...

04:20:25.000 And remember, in the 2021, both the left and the right were attacking him in the debates.

04:20:31.000 Even the Fox News, Megyn Kelly, I remember attacking him even in the debates.

04:20:35.000 And he still destroyed Biden in the debate.

04:20:38.000 And then this year, he destroyed Biden in the debate.

04:20:40.000 So this is the first time I've seen him lose.

04:20:42.000 Okay, alright.

04:20:43.000 I think he won.

04:20:45.000 I just don't think he won decisively enough.

04:20:47.000 I think a second debate would be good.

04:20:51.000 But I totally...

04:20:54.000 If Kamala declines, I would see why she would decline.

04:20:59.000 Because it's so goddamn close that someone that isn't aware can definitely be like, oh yeah.

04:21:09.000 Do you think she decisively beat him?

04:21:11.000 What do you think?

04:21:11.000 If you were to give it a percentage, do you think she decisively beat him or she just edged him?

04:21:15.000 What do you think?

04:21:16.000 I think it was like 70-30.

04:21:18.000 Oh, wow.

04:21:19.000 So you think she completely destroyed him?

04:21:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

04:21:21.000 I think she dominated him.

04:21:23.000 I really believe that she won.

04:21:26.000 So, you know, immediately after the debate, if you asked me, I would have said like 60, 40, 55, 45.

04:21:32.000 But when I heard all the Fox News guys breaking it down even more, and I realized that actually Trump did really badly.

04:21:38.000 Like, these guys are now giving answers that he should have gave.

04:21:42.000 Then it made it even more.

04:21:43.000 So I went from 60, 40 to 70, 30.

04:21:45.000 After that, I was like, actually, no, this is a lot more convincing than I thought.

04:21:48.000 Gotcha, because you saw J.D. Vance bring up some better talking points than Marco Rubio, etc., and Sean Hannity, right?

04:21:53.000 Yeah, that's right.

04:21:54.000 Interesting, okay. 1.00

04:21:56.000 Shit, man. 1.00

04:21:57.000 But yo, I think that was a pretty good debate breakdown. 1.00

04:22:01.000 Sulema, where can the people find...

04:22:02.000 Or no, do we got chats?

04:22:05.000 Oh, okay.

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04:24:06.000 So Suleman, where can people find you, brother?

04:24:11.000 Yeah, people can find me on Twitter.

04:24:13.000 And I just want to make one final point on Twitter.

04:24:15.000 It's S-H-A-Y-K-H-S-U-L-K-Y-M-A-N. We should do a space on this, bro. 1.00

04:24:21.000 You want to do a space?

04:24:22.000 I said we should do a Twitter space on this as well.

04:24:25.000 Yeah, sure.

04:24:25.000 We can.

04:24:26.000 We can.

04:24:26.000 I don't mind.

04:24:26.000 Yeah, make one right after the stream and then I'm going to go to the gym, but I'll listen in and I'll chime in and stuff like that.

04:24:32.000 Make one and I'll jump in.

04:24:33.000 I could help you co-host if you want.

04:24:35.000 Yeah, yeah, cool.

04:24:36.000 Sounds good.

04:24:37.000 I'll need someone to help as well because I'm a bit tired.

04:24:39.000 But in terms of what it is, Leah, you can find me on that.

04:24:43.000 But one last point I wanted to make was...

04:24:45.000 Yeah, go ahead.

04:24:45.000 Because I know you support Trump.

04:24:47.000 Look, my position is this.

04:24:48.000 I don't support Harris.

04:24:49.000 I just think that for the betterment of society, people need to realise that this kind of control that the certain lobbies have over both parties, that we are going to say no to it.

04:25:00.000 And by demonstrating a loss...

04:25:03.000 To someone like Trump going against, first of all, being controlled by those lobbies and going against his ideas of his base is a way of letting him know that.

04:25:12.000 So I agree with that.

04:25:13.000 But just think how bad it is that some of us, such as myself, such as Nick, many others are like, you know, withhold the vote because...

04:25:21.000 And it's basically the person Trump is going up against is literally a woman who is literally a Sunghee. 1.00

04:25:28.000 She's like...

04:25:29.000 It's just crazy that we are in this situation right now where there isn't a real choice.

04:25:34.000 Yeah, I think Trump is the way better candidate.

04:25:38.000 I like Trump. 0.99

04:25:39.000 Obviously, you know, the whole AIPAC situation is a fucking problem that we need to deal with. 0.97

04:25:45.000 But I think right now for the situation that we're in, he's gonna be way better from a war and foreign policy perspective than Kamala. 0.96

04:25:55.000 And I honestly do think that's one of the most important issues that a lot of Americans aren't paying attention to.

04:26:00.000 Because if we go to war again, your milk and your bread is going to go even higher.

04:26:06.000 But anyway, guys, that will do it for today's episode of Fresh and Fit.

04:26:12.000 Obviously, we had a debate special.

04:26:15.000 We're going to go ahead and probably have a Twitter space after this, so make sure to...

04:26:18.000 I'm going to go in on my Fresh and Fit pod account.

04:26:21.000 Suleiman's Twitter...

04:26:23.000 We could drop the link here in the chat for you guys.

04:26:26.000 Can we drop his Twitter link in the chat for them?

04:26:28.000 Yeah.

04:26:29.000 It's Sheikh Suleiman on X, guys.

04:26:31.000 He has one of the biggest accounts.

04:26:33.000 I think like almost half a million followers or something like that.

04:26:35.000 Maybe more at this point.

04:26:37.000 So yeah, make sure to go on there.

04:26:38.000 We'll have a Twitter space.

04:26:39.000 We'll talk about this some more.

04:26:41.000 And yeah, it'll be a good time.

04:26:43.000 Suleiman, I'll give you the last word, bro.

04:26:45.000 No, no, thanks for having me.

04:26:46.000 I think it was good.

04:26:46.000 It was good on Rumble.

04:26:47.000 I think we were the only ones who had like two different perspectives.

04:26:49.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

04:26:50.000 Everybody else is just a fucking echo chamber, right? 1.00

04:26:51.000 Like, oh, Kamala's stupid, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

04:26:53.000 So I think here we're able to have a real conversation. 1.00

04:26:56.000 Guys, I brought someone that's sensible on the left and we kind of have a discussion on this.

04:27:00.000 You know, I think Trump edged it.

04:27:01.000 He thinks Kamala dominated.

04:27:03.000 But we'll see what happens, you know, with the polling and everything else from there.

04:27:07.000 And jump on Twitter, guys.

04:27:09.000 We'll have a little Twitter space after this where we can kind of have a powwow with the rest of you guys and you guys want to maybe voice your whatever, your opinions.

04:27:15.000 Catch you guys on the next one.

04:27:16.000 Tomorrow we got Dave Smith coming in and then we got After Hours with some girls. 0.97

04:27:20.000 So it's going to be a good discussion.

04:27:21.000 It's going to be on September 11th.

04:27:22.000 So we're going to talk about a bunch of stuff.

04:27:24.000 Candice Owens, The Debate, 9-11.

04:27:29.000 We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff, man.

04:27:30.000 So tomorrow, Dave Smith, 7.30 p.m.

04:27:32.000 Love you guys.

04:27:34.000 Follow Silliman on Twitter.

04:27:35.000 Peace.

04:27:36.000 I ran, I ran so far away We're good to go.

Fresh & Fit - September 10, 2024

Donald Trump VS Kamala Harris - 2024 Presidential Debate

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