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00:07:33.000I went ahead and gave a breakdown of the last debate between, obviously, former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris.
00:07:40.000I don't think Trump won it decisively.
00:07:43.000I think that he won by the skin of his teeth, which isn't enough.
00:07:46.000So this debate right here actually is going to be very important because we don't have a decisive victory.
00:07:50.000The people that supported Trump versus the people that supported Kamala, all they did was go ahead and be more ten toes down on whatever they had picked before.
00:07:59.000We're going to need a decisive victory from the right to be able to let people know that, quite frankly, the Democrats are not opposed to be a good administration to take office.
00:08:12.000I mean, they're in right now and people are complaining about the economy.
00:08:15.000So what the hell do you think is going to happen?
00:08:17.000I mean, Kamala Harris is literally the second most powerful person in the world, you know, because as vice president, you're the second most powerful person in the world and she hasn't done anything.
00:10:14.000Presidential debate coverage on CBS News.
00:10:16.000Our Ed O'Keefe is ensconced with all of our colleagues in the press corps over there in the room down the aisle from the actual debate location.
00:10:24.000Ed, we've seen major news the day of a debate before and we're sure getting it today.
00:10:31.000Yeah, John, you remember back in 2016 when you hosted the Republican presidential primary debate and that morning Antonin Scalia died and suddenly you had to...
00:10:39.000All right, well, this dude is yapping.
00:10:40.000Here are the two people that are debating.
00:10:42.000James David Vance, born James Donald Bowman, born in 1984, is an American politician, author, venture capitalist, and marine veteran who served as the junior United States senator from Ohio since 2023.
00:10:52.000Vance is the Republican Party's nominee for vice president of 2024 United States presidential election.
00:11:11.000He was born in 1964, former educator and retired U.S. Army non-commissioned officer who has served since 2019 as the 41st governor of Minnesota.
00:11:19.000He was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives from 2007 to 2019 and the ranking member of the House Veterans Affairs Committee from 2017 to 2019.
00:11:26.000Walt is the Democratic Party's nominee for vice president of 2024 United States presidential election.
00:12:24.000What are your final thoughts on tonight?
00:12:27.000Everybody in the press, when we're in the press galleries on the campaign planes, they talk about these vice presidential debates as low impact, but they really are high stakes.
00:12:35.000Everybody watching tonight knows one of these two men could become president of the United States.
00:12:40.000The country is going to take a temperature on character, on policy.
00:12:44.000Who are these people who might lead the country?
00:12:47.000And one of them might be leading the country should a crisis happen.
00:12:53.000We live in a time of assassination attempts on the Republican nominee, of political violence, and of aging politicians.
00:13:00.000So it's no question that one day one of these people could be president.
00:13:06.000We hope all people live healthy lives and serve full terms, but you never know in American history, that's what the history always tells us.
00:13:13.000Nancy, the other big event is these incredible floods in North Carolina, which also is a platform for presidents.
00:13:19.000It is because handling of natural disasters is often a proxy for voters of competence.
00:13:25.000They look at how you handle something like that and they say this person is capable of handling big, important things.
00:13:32.000And that's why President Biden tomorrow is heading to North Carolina and South Carolina and Florida and Georgia the next day.
00:13:37.000And here we see the vice presidential candidates there.
00:13:40.000Tim Wall standing a lone man behind his lectern.
00:13:44.000Ed, give us your last thoughts as we watch here as J.D. Vance is off in the wings for the moment.
00:14:21.000Ohio Senator J.D. Vance and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz take the stage.
00:14:25.000Well, they've taken the stage, so stick with us here and join us also on our streaming channel, CBS News 24-7, for exclusive content you won't see.
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00:17:49.000Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint U.S. and Israeli defensive action.
00:17:59.000President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S. military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war.
00:18:12.000But the U.S. still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon.
00:18:21.000It is down now to one or two weeks' time.
00:18:25.000Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel?
00:18:37.000And thank you for those joining home tonight.
00:18:39.000Let's keep in mind where this started.
00:18:41.000October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.
00:18:51.000Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.
00:18:54.000Getting its hostages back, fundamental.
00:18:57.000And ending the humanitarian crisis in Iran.
00:19:02.000But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.
00:19:10.000You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.
00:19:22.000It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment.
00:20:50.000And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.
00:20:57.000I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.
00:21:03.000I was raised in a working-class family.
00:21:06.000My mother required food assistance for periods of her life.
00:21:08.000My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me.
00:21:12.000And she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
00:21:16.000I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq.
00:21:21.000And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams.
00:21:29.000And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.
00:21:37.000I want to try to convince you tonight, over the next 90 minutes, that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to be attainable once again.
00:21:47.000Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.
00:22:00.000People were afraid of stepping out of line.
00:22:02.000Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
00:22:12.000They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies and, God forbid, potentially launching against the United States as well.
00:22:19.000Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
00:22:24.000They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States' global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.
00:22:32.000Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question, look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
00:22:43.000I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.
00:22:48.000Governor Walz, do you care to respond to any of the allegations?
00:22:52.000Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.
00:22:53.000We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump who—we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.
00:23:06.000Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.
00:23:10.000So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership.
00:23:15.000And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted, because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump.
00:23:24.000And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.
00:23:35.000Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle.
00:23:39.000He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.
00:23:43.000Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.
00:23:49.000Our coalition is strong, and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.
00:23:54.000Senator Vance, the U.S. did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program, and President Trump did exit that deal.
00:24:04.000He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S. must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible.
00:24:17.000Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.
00:24:23.000You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.
00:24:28.000And, Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.
00:24:30.000Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?
00:24:33.000And the answer is your running mate, not mine.
00:24:35.000Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.
00:24:39.000Now we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.
00:24:49.000But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
00:24:53.000It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.
00:24:56.000Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.
00:25:06.000Donald Trump has already done it once before.
00:25:08.000Ask yourself at home, when was the last time—I'm 40 years old—when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?
00:25:17.000The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.
00:25:26.000The storm could become one of the deadliest on record.
00:25:30.000More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.
00:25:35.000Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall.
00:25:44.000Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, 7 in 10 Americans and more than 60 percent of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S. taking steps to try and reduce climate change.
00:25:57.000Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change?
00:26:06.000So, first of all, let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy.
00:26:11.000I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives.
00:26:21.000And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them, and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible.
00:26:32.000And then, of course, afterwards, I mean, these are communities that I love.
00:26:37.000Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast.
00:26:41.000They need their government to do their job.
00:26:44.000And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens of this country first when they suffer from a disaster.
00:26:51.000Now, Nora, you asked about climate change.
00:26:52.000I think this is a very important issue.
00:26:54.000Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.
00:26:58.000I think it's important for us, first of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.
00:27:03.000We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.
00:27:05.000But one of the things that I've noticed some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about Is a concern about carbon emissions, this idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.
00:27:16.000Just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true.
00:27:20.000Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?
00:27:23.000The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.
00:27:34.000What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to?
00:27:37.000More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world.
00:27:45.000And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.
00:27:50.000So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people.
00:27:58.000And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.
00:28:02.000Governor Walz, you have two minutes to respond.
00:28:04.000Well, we got close to an agreement because all those things are happening.
00:28:07.000Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane.
00:28:12.000And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors.
00:28:30.000The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there to that we recover.
00:28:33.000But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused.
00:28:37.000Now look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen.
00:28:44.000Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past.
00:28:47.000Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in.
00:28:53.000What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment.
00:30:16.000Well, look, what the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.
00:30:31.000So, clearly, Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.
00:30:35.000If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.
00:30:38.000Now, something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon, because when we talk about clean energy, I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here.
00:30:48.000I'm talking, of course, about the Democratic leadership.
00:30:50.000And the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier.
00:31:01.000We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.
00:31:05.000Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components that go into those solar panels.
00:31:11.000So if you really want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest in more energy production.
00:31:17.000We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think, one in the past 40 years.
00:31:20.000Natural gas, we've got to invest more in it.
00:31:56.000And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this.
00:32:00.000And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things.
00:32:04.000The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future.
00:32:09.000How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?
00:32:12.000How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of?
00:32:16.000But to call it a hoax and to take the oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago, say, give me money for my campaign, and I'll let you do whatever you want.
00:32:25.000We can be smarter about that, and an all-above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here.
00:32:51.000Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in American history and to use the US military to do so.
00:33:00.000Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?
00:33:04.000For example, would you deport parents who have entered the US illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on US soil?
00:33:15.000So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.
00:33:19.000We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.
00:33:28.00094 executive orders suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, We're massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.
00:33:39.000And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.
00:33:42.000I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean.
00:33:46.000I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels.
00:35:16.000Governor, do you care to respond to any of those specific allegations, including that the vice president is, quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things, regarding children?
00:35:30.000Yeah, well, the drug mule is not true.
00:35:31.000But I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis.
00:35:35.000And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history.
00:36:35.000Detection for drugs, DOJ money to speed up the adjudications on this, just what America wants.
00:36:42.000But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said no, told them to vote against it, because it gives him a campaign issue.
00:36:51.000It gives him to—what would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things?
00:36:54.000And they need to be done by the legislature.
00:36:57.000You can't just do this through the executive branch.
00:37:00.000So, look, we have the options to do this.
00:38:11.000We had a record number of illegal crossings.
00:38:13.000We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
00:38:16.000And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
00:38:24.000The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
00:38:36.000This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
00:38:41.000Parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president.
00:39:27.000We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it an issue.
00:39:32.000And the consequences in Springfield were the governor had to send State law enforcement to escort kindergarteners to school.
00:39:40.000I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point.
00:39:49.000And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings.
00:40:27.000Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job.
00:40:33.000I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.
00:40:37.000Because the Border Patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job.
00:40:41.000Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico, you've got to go back through proper channels.
00:40:54.000Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.
00:41:01.000Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed.
00:41:07.000You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.
00:41:09.000You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.
00:41:17.000The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.
00:42:35.000And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.
00:42:52.000The rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check.
00:42:54.000And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
00:42:58.000So there's an application called the CBP 1L, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
00:43:13.000That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.
00:43:17.000That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own.
00:43:21.000Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
00:43:54.000Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.
00:44:02.000The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion.
00:44:09.000How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit?
00:44:29.000The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue.
00:44:34.000The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house.
00:44:41.000A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.
00:46:29.000Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walsh this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.
00:46:34.000A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.
00:46:40.000Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it.
00:46:43.000Because she's been the vice president for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25 percent.
00:46:56.000Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60 percent.
00:46:59.000Open the American Southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.
00:47:05.000If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.
00:47:11.000Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago.
00:47:16.000And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.
00:47:22.000Now, Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record.
00:47:26.000A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense, and they don't have wisdom.
00:47:33.000Because Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5 percent inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world.
00:47:44.000So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say look at the record.
00:47:50.000He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.
00:47:53.000Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts.
00:47:57.000But if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home pay to middle-class and working-class Americans.
00:48:09.000It was passed in 2017, and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country.
00:48:16.000That is a record that I'm proud to run on, and we're going to get back to that common-sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again.
00:48:26.000I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.
00:48:28.000It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.
00:48:32.000Governor, do you want to respond to that?
00:48:34.000What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class?
00:48:36.000Yeah, well, Kamala Harris' day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy.
00:48:41.000We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression.
00:49:17.000And I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years, in the last year as president.
00:51:06.000I think the thing that most concerns me on this is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.
00:51:52.000So, if you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.
00:51:57.000And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.
00:52:04.000So, what Tim Walz is doing—and I—honestly, Tim, I think you've got a tough job here.
00:52:09.000Because you've got to play whack-a-mole.
00:52:10.000You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.
00:52:15.000You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
00:52:19.000And then you've simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable for American citizens.
00:52:28.000I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt I hope we have a conversation on health care then.
00:53:31.000Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, a town of 400, a town that you rode your bike with your buddies until the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
00:53:43.000I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I... Use the GI Bill to become a teacher, passionate about it, a young teacher.
00:53:52.000My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.
00:54:16.000Look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community.
00:54:20.000I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.
00:54:23.000And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.
00:54:26.000Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years.
00:54:30.000And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people, working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits.
00:54:37.000And then the people of Minnesota We're able to elect me to governor twice.
00:54:42.000So look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for the people, to make sure that I get this right.
00:54:48.000I will say more than anything, many times I will talk a lot.
00:55:01.000I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.
00:55:05.000I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID, and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.
00:55:14.000So this is about trying to understand the world.
00:55:16.000It's about trying to do the best you can for your community.
00:55:19.000And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.
00:55:23.000My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.
00:55:33.000Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?
00:55:39.000All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.
00:55:43.000So I will just, that's what I've said.
00:55:47.000So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests went in.
00:55:53.000And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.
00:55:58.000I give them credit for asking a question again.
00:56:00.000Senator Vance, in 2016, you called your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office, and you said he could be America's Hitler.
00:56:10.000I know you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments.
00:56:15.000And explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
00:56:18.000But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
00:56:32.000You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.
00:56:38.000If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear and not just the advice he wants to hear?
00:56:50.000Well, first of all, because I've always been open.
00:56:52.000And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.
00:56:58.000I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.
00:57:04.000But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.
00:57:08.000Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.
00:57:17.000And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.
00:57:24.000It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed.
00:57:34.000I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job.
00:57:43.000I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just a high-class debating society.
00:57:48.000It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.
00:57:53.000So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example.
00:57:57.000Where I think that we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better about how they governed the country.
00:58:05.000They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern.
00:58:09.000And I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax.
00:58:16.000Look, the one thing—and you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden—but the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs.
00:58:28.000And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.
00:58:37.000If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says, you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage.
00:59:01.000Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.
01:00:30.000But look, if you don't know Amanda or Hadley, you soon will.
01:00:36.000Their Project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies.
01:00:40.000It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments.
01:00:49.000For so many of us who are listening, me included, Infertility treatments are why I have a child.
01:00:54.000That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.
01:00:58.000And the catch-all on this is, is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.
01:01:30.000And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it, and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.
01:01:38.000And, you know, I grew up in a working-class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.
01:01:49.000And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.
01:01:52.000And I know she's watching tonight, and I love you.
01:01:55.000And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.
01:02:04.000And I think that what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to protect Innocent life in this country who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.
01:02:22.000And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.
01:02:25.000I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word.
01:02:31.000I want us to support fertility treatments.
01:02:33.000I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.
01:02:36.000I want it to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family.
01:02:41.000And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options.
01:02:48.000Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that, on the abortion policy specifically, that we have a big country, and it's diverse.
01:02:56.000And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.
01:02:59.000Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona.
01:03:01.000And the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions, let the individual states make their abortion policy.
01:03:12.000And I think that's what makes the most sense And a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.
01:03:20.000Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions?
01:03:24.000Yeah, well, the question got asked when Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.
01:03:29.000Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states.
01:03:33.000There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.
01:03:35.000She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state.
01:03:38.000Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care.
01:03:45.000Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.
01:03:50.000The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?
01:04:02.000There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.
01:04:28.000He mentioned, I think, referring to a national ban.
01:04:31.000In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.
01:04:37.000In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world.
01:04:47.000My question is, why have you changed your position?
01:04:50.000Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
01:04:53.000I did, when I was running for Senate in 2022, talk about setting some minimum national standard.
01:04:58.000For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in place in this country at the federal level.
01:05:03.000I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.
01:05:09.000But, Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is, in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum.
01:05:14.000In 2023, and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.
01:05:20.000And I think that what I learned from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust.
01:05:26.000So many young women would love to have families.
01:05:28.000So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships.
01:05:36.000And we have got to earn people's trust back.
01:05:38.000And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making child care more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better job at that, and that's what real leadership is.
01:05:57.000We're pro-freedom to make your own choice.
01:05:59.000We know what the implications are to not be that.
01:06:03.000Women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.
01:06:11.000And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's estate is one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.
01:06:19.000We know that the options need to be available, and we make that true.
01:06:23.000We also make it we're a top three state for the best place to raise children.
01:06:27.000But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children, but we don't like this, or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all.
01:06:35.000We are pro-freedoms for women to make their choices.
01:06:38.000And we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit.
01:06:45.000But we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care.
01:06:53.000First of all, Governor, I agree with you.
01:06:55.000Amber Thurman should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was.
01:06:59.000And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.
01:07:21.000That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.
01:07:26.000And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen...
01:07:30.000Do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?
01:07:34.000Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.
01:07:39.000We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family.
01:08:30.000From increasing funding for children, it doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals.
01:08:42.000So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.
01:08:48.000She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.
01:08:51.000I asked a specific question, Governor.
01:09:29.000Number one, both of them are better spoken, both of them are better able to articulate their points than the president they're running alongside, right?
01:09:41.000Even Tim Walts, who I honestly thought was probably going to be a moron, he actually is able to articulate his points significantly better than Kamala Harris.
01:09:50.000Not saying that that's much, but significantly better.
01:09:53.000So, when it comes to the foreign policy, that was the first thing that they talked about with Iran.
01:09:58.000That was really a question more of who's going to support them boys more.
01:10:36.000With immigration, and I've seen this talking point quite a bit from the Democrats, they've said this a million times, that they had this immigration bill in place and that Trump apparently, you know, voted against it.
01:10:48.000He wanted it as a campaign thing or whatever it may be.
01:11:34.000Okay, I could drop the link in here for you guys.
01:11:36.000But the point is, U.S. Border Patrol agent exposed the border crisis.
01:11:40.000Bro, he literally goes into detail about what's really going on in the border.
01:11:44.000We went into how a lot of these aliens are getting something called a notice to appear.
01:11:48.000Which basically is, or an NTA ROR, which is basically them being allowed to go into the country and wait for an immigration hearing, which a lot of the times can take years to do.
01:11:59.000I'll drop the link in the chat for you guys right now, by the way.
01:12:42.000Illegal aliens to come in, which to give you guys some perspective, when I was a federal agent myself, right, when I was on a job, it was an act of Congress to get a fucking NTA for an alien.
01:12:52.000Even if I had a guy, let's say Border Patrol catches an illegal alien, right, or a group of them, and one of them wants to become an informant, like I talked to them during my criminal case and I found out that one of them has great information, I want to make them an informant, I would ask Border Patrol, hey guys, can you process them with an NTA ROR for me and turn them over to me and I'm going to make them a source.
01:13:11.000And they would literally look me in the eyes and be like, no, we're not doing that.
01:13:15.000What you can do is, we'll sign custody of the body over to you, and you can go do it yourself, but we're not taking liability.
01:13:40.000The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms.
01:13:46.000Senator Vance, you oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim will curb gun violence.
01:13:52.000You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s.
01:13:59.000So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
01:14:10.000Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?
01:14:16.000Yeah, well, Nora, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.
01:14:22.000I think in some cases, the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases, the answer is going to be no.
01:14:26.000And the details really matter here, of course.
01:14:28.000For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun, knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.
01:14:34.000Look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.
01:14:42.000And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.
01:14:49.000And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.
01:14:54.000And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.
01:14:59.000And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.
01:15:03.000The question is just how do we actually do it?
01:15:06.000Now, here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.
01:15:11.000The gross majority, close to 90 percent in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms.
01:15:19.000And while we're on that topic, we know that, thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartel.
01:15:29.000So that number—the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.
01:15:38.000And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security.
01:15:48.000But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security We have to make the doors lock better.
01:15:56.000We've got to make the windows stronger.
01:15:58.000And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.
01:16:08.000So we've got to make our schools safer.
01:16:10.000And I think we've got to have some common sense, bipartisan solutions for how to do that.
01:16:27.000As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall.
01:18:26.000And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland, because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland.
01:18:37.000We have way higher rates of mental health abuse—or mental health substance abuse.
01:18:43.000We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.
01:18:47.000We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.
01:18:58.000Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.
01:19:08.000And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets.
01:19:15.000I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.
01:21:11.000This issue of housing, and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity.
01:21:39.000And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead.
01:21:49.000We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing.
01:22:43.000People with stable housing end up with stable jobs.
01:22:46.000People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.
01:22:50.000All of those things in the long run end up saving our money.
01:22:53.000And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in.
01:22:57.000But we can't blame Immigrants, for the only reason, that's not the case that's happening in many cities.
01:23:03.000The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affording affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.
01:23:15.000Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.
01:23:30.000Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?
01:23:38.000Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.
01:23:41.000We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim.
01:23:52.00025 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country.
01:24:00.000It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien— We're good to go.
01:24:29.000I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable.
01:24:41.000Now, you asked, Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens if you lower energy prices?
01:24:48.000As Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill.
01:24:51.000One of the biggest drivers of housing costs, aside from illegal immigration, is—think about it.
01:24:55.000If a truck driver's paying 40 percent more for diesel, then the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.
01:25:03.000If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens, not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods, too.
01:25:14.000Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.
01:26:03.000Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.
01:26:07.000Blaming and not trying to find the solution.
01:26:09.000I was going to ask, though, on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?
01:26:14.000And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land.
01:26:18.000Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.
01:26:19.000I know in the western part of the countries we do.
01:26:22.000There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example.
01:26:26.000So the issue is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands.
01:26:34.000Look, Minnesota, we protect these things.
01:26:36.000We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water.
01:27:22.000Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.
01:27:25.000We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices.
01:27:34.000Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.
01:27:38.000It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.
01:27:46.000But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do.
01:28:01.000And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes.
01:28:08.000We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.
01:29:29.000We're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions.
01:29:31.000In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten health care.
01:29:35.000I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.
01:29:44.000And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark.
01:29:58.000And it wouldn't actually mean anything, because part of this is the give-and-take of bipartisan negotiation.
01:30:03.000Now, when Donald Trump was actually president—and again, he has a record to be proud of—prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time.
01:30:12.000Under Kamala Harris's leadership, prescription drugs are up about 7 percent.
01:30:16.000Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5 percent.
01:30:23.000You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, And nobody knows what it actually costs.
01:30:28.000That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice and will also drive down costs.
01:30:35.000And we talked about the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.
01:30:39.000Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit, On how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non-chronically ill, it's not just a plan.
01:30:49.000He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.
01:30:54.000And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along.
01:31:01.000I think this is an important point about President Trump.
01:31:03.000Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done.
01:31:08.000But when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program instead.
01:31:17.000He worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care.
01:31:22.000It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do, but I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies.
01:31:30.000He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.
01:31:34.000All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history.
01:31:37.000I was there at the creation of the ACA. And the reason it was so important is I come from a major healthcare state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those.
01:31:53.000It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of healthcare.
01:31:57.000And so what I know is, under Kamala Harris, More people are covered than they have before.
01:32:02.000Those of you listening, this is critical to you.
01:32:05.000Now, Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back and remember this.
01:32:09.000He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare.
01:32:15.000On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA. He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA, but lost at the Supreme Court.
01:32:25.000And he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill.
01:32:32.000Now fast forward, what that means to you is you lose your pre-existing conditions.
01:32:36.000If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad.
01:32:40.000Broke your foot during football, might kick you out.
01:32:43.000Your kids get kicked out when they're 26.
01:32:45.000Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.
01:32:49.000We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there.
01:32:53.000But look, this issue—and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth-grade teacher, because my kids would have never given me that.
01:33:03.000But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept, because what he explained is pre-Obamacare.
01:33:10.000And I'll make this as simple as possible, because I have done this for a long time.
01:33:13.000What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?
01:33:18.000So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure.
01:33:34.000Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA. Governor, thank you.
01:33:38.000Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with preexisting conditions or laid out that plan.
01:33:44.000Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with preexisting conditions.
01:33:50.000We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better.
01:33:56.000Now, what Governor Walz just said is actually not true.
01:33:59.000A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges.
01:34:08.000Actually helped address that problem, and he did so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.
01:34:15.000But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.
01:34:25.000But in reality, Donald Trump was president.
01:34:28.000Inflation was low, take-home pay was higher, and he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership.
01:34:38.000He did his job, which is govern, in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them.
01:34:46.000Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration?
01:34:51.000It's higher now that we've seen it go up.
01:35:23.000And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, When we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then, when you get sick and old, it's there for you.
01:35:37.000Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.
01:35:40.000Good luck buying healthcare once you get past 70.
01:35:56.000We have a number of subjects to discuss.
01:35:58.000Margaret, let's talk about families in America.
01:36:02.000There is a child care crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents.
01:36:14.000Governor Walz, you said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.
01:36:22.000How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns?
01:36:34.000Americans sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.
01:36:37.000Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.
01:36:41.000Kamala Harris knows that in California.
01:36:43.000Those companies provide paid family medical leave.
01:36:46.000One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.
01:36:51.000We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.
01:36:54.000You have a child, You, and I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born, this allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.
01:37:02.000What we know is that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.
01:37:09.000So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.
01:37:10.000We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.
01:37:13.000That's how you become a pro-business state.
01:37:16.000But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick.
01:38:23.000A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.
01:38:45.000Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue.
01:38:49.000And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.
01:38:53.000And I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator.
01:39:05.000But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult.
01:39:12.000And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.
01:39:15.000She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company.
01:39:19.000But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I think makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want.
01:39:27.000A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately.
01:39:30.000Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.
01:39:32.000Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.
01:39:34.000We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.
01:39:38.000And I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach.
01:39:43.000I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave right now, the Community Development Block Grant, there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.
01:39:54.000These programs only go to one kind of childcare model.
01:39:57.000Let's say you'd like your church, maybe, to help you out with childcare.
01:40:01.000Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide childcare in the way that makes the most sense.
01:40:08.000You don't get access to any of these federal monies.
01:40:11.000We want to promote choice in how we deliver family care and how we promote childcare because, look, it is unacceptable.
01:40:19.000And, you know, of course, Tim and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks.
01:40:23.000And one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care for their kids.
01:40:32.000That is an incredible burden to put on American families.
01:40:41.000You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family.
01:40:46.000The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do on housing each month.
01:40:54.000So I want to get your thoughts on this.
01:40:57.000President Trump recently said As much as childcare is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.
01:41:10.000Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?
01:41:17.000What President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.
01:41:34.000It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.
01:41:37.000Cut taxes for American workers and American families.
01:41:40.000Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America, but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.
01:41:49.000That's the heart of the economic proposal.
01:41:51.000And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.
01:42:05.000Can you clarify how that will solve the child care shortage?
01:42:10.000Well, because, as Tim said, a lot of the child care shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options.
01:42:19.000And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money.
01:42:23.000We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for American families, because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.
01:43:35.000And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not—when I go to businesses, sure, they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead with child care and they will lead with housing.
01:43:47.000Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce.
01:43:56.000Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation.
01:44:02.000After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.
01:44:09.000Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.
01:44:19.000The governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th.
01:44:33.000Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.
01:44:42.000That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.
01:44:45.000Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results, even if every governor certifies the results?
01:44:55.000Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.
01:44:57.000We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable.
01:45:31.000And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris Biden administration.
01:45:38.000I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about.
01:45:49.000It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.
01:45:54.000It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens.
01:45:58.000And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.
01:46:06.000I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years.
01:46:13.000Now, I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr.
01:46:20.000and Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition.
01:46:25.000They don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue.
01:46:27.000We don't have to agree on every issue.
01:46:29.000But we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences.
01:46:36.000We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans.
01:46:38.000Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale.
01:46:43.000She did it during COVID. She's done it over a number of other issues.
01:46:46.000And that, to me, is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January the 6th.
01:46:57.000Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things, and I think I might have with the senator.
01:47:05.000There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.
01:47:10.000Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.
01:47:50.000So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over.
01:47:54.000I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election.
01:48:01.000You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win.
01:48:24.000So I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.
01:48:46.000And here we are four years later in the same boat.
01:48:49.000I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.
01:49:00.000Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?
01:49:02.000Yeah, well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.
01:49:18.000We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election.
01:49:21.000And, of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win.
01:49:23.000But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.
01:49:30.000But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.
01:49:36.000Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.
01:49:46.000This has been going on for a long time.
01:49:48.000And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.
01:49:53.000But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.
01:50:16.000This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to kill someone, threatening to do something, that's not censorship.
01:52:18.000It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world.
01:52:23.000Because look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage.
01:52:31.000What I'm concerned about is where is the firewall with Donald Trump Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not going to stand to it?
01:52:47.000That's what we're asking you, America.
01:52:50.000Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't?
01:52:55.000And I think Kamala Harris would agree.
01:52:56.000She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that, because, of course, that's what we would do.
01:53:01.000So, America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy And who's going to honor Donald Trump?
01:53:37.000So, that's a serious issue that we got.
01:53:40.000Which, by the way, guys, what I'm going to do is, I'm going to turn the FedReact stream off, and I want you guys to come on over to Twitch.
01:58:08.000And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there.
01:58:19.000And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.
01:58:23.000They believe in a positive future of this country and one where our politics can be better than it is.
01:58:29.000And I have to tell you, that better than it is is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy.
01:58:38.000That works for everyone, not just to get by, but to get ahead.
01:58:41.000And the idea that freedom really means something.
01:58:44.000Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.
01:58:49.000Now, look, we all know who Donald Trump is.
01:58:53.000He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that.
01:58:56.000His first inaugural address talked about American carnage.
01:58:59.000And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.
01:59:03.000Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand...
01:59:07.000With Donald Trump's agenda, he will continue to push down that road.
01:59:12.000Kamala Harris gives us a different option.
01:59:14.000Now, I have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me.
01:59:21.000He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.
01:59:59.000Senator Vance, your closing statement.
02:00:01.000Well, I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.
02:00:06.000And one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.
02:00:09.000And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night and because money was often very tight.
02:00:19.000And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.
02:00:31.000That's gotten more difficult, thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
02:00:34.000I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
02:00:39.000That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
02:00:43.000I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.
02:00:46.000You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.
02:00:48.000You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl.
02:00:51.000And that, too, has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
02:00:55.000Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed.
02:01:06.000She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
02:01:09.000Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.
02:01:15.000Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.
02:01:19.000I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food.
02:01:22.000But have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.
02:01:28.000What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world.
02:01:35.000But they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.
02:01:42.000They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.
02:02:53.000That's quite a difference from the presidential debate in which we're not even sure that Vice President Harris and Donald Trump would shake hands.
02:03:01.000It was a debate in which the line, I appreciate what Tim said about Finland, was one of the many ways in which Senator Vance agreed with the governor.
02:03:18.000On the question of the top of the news today, which is the Middle East and the kinds of foreign policy surprises that hit any president.
02:03:26.000Tim Walz made the case that Donald Trump's Temperament is unfit for any kind of surprise, cited the members of the Trump administration who have attested to that.
02:03:35.000Vance came back and said there were no wars during the Trump administration.
02:03:39.000On the economy, I'll make a political point, which is that what Vance did was something Donald Trump was incapable of doing during his presidential debate, which is repeatedly saying, if Kamala Harris was going to do these things, why didn't she in office?
02:03:53.000Guys, let's keep the hype train going.
02:04:20.000Of a kind we never saw during the Trump administration.
02:04:22.000He talked about Donald Trump almost as the defender of the Affordable Care Act.
02:04:25.000Donald Trump tried to kill the Affordable Care Act.
02:04:27.000And then I think at the very end of the debate we saw something extraordinary.
02:04:30.000Tim Walz asked J.D. Vance if Donald Trump lost the election.
02:04:33.000He was incapable of answering that simple yes-no question.
02:04:37.000J.D. Vance can only get so far from the man at the top of the ticket, and that was on display in that one moment, although J.D. Vance was a different kind of person than we've seen in many instances.
02:04:47.000John, I think what you're saying is so important when we talk about demeanor because of the...
02:05:16.000I also think it's worth pointing out the demeanor we saw from Governor Walz, particularly when it came to his moments where he was put on the defensive about his own biography and embellishments that he has made in the past, particularly in this case on China.
02:05:30.000You and I have talked about this a lot coming into this evening.
02:05:32.000Major, you're going to help us with fact checks over the course of the next few minutes.
02:05:36.000But there is a big one that we need to talk about at the top of it, which came on immigration in the discussion tonight.
02:05:43.000And particularly the Trump administration's plan, a major centerpiece of their campaign to undergo mass deportations for undocumented immigrants in this country.
02:05:53.000J.D. Vance particularly said that migrants will be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
02:06:01.000This was in the conversation, this ongoing conversation about Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio.
02:06:06.000Many of them are recipients of temporary legal status, and we just have to say, John, that they are in this country legally.
02:09:08.000That was really annoying and frustrating.
02:09:10.000There was some talk that Kamala got the questions beforehand.
02:09:14.000Before the debate, which honestly, the more I think about it, I think it's possible because we know that Kamala is a terrible public speaker and she's not necessarily able to operate off the cuff.
02:09:25.000So that also had me questioning some things.
02:09:30.000And she's also good friends with the head of the network as well.
02:09:49.000...more substantive on the facts and policy than the leading candidates the presidential nominees have been to date.
02:09:54.000It was, in a way, a kind of embrace of bipartisanship on tough issues, gun violence, healthcare, childcare, even, well, this was less true, on reproductive rights.
02:10:07.000And one thing that I think will be a surprise to anyone in the Republican Party, the biggest secret of the entire Trump administration is that he saved Obamacare.
02:10:15.000It's a big secret because he never even said that.
02:10:18.000But this debate was an example to the country of how you can disagree agreeably, how you can talk about shared goals for the country.
02:10:25.000And in that sense, I think it's extremely important for J.D. Vance that he did not sound as he sounds on the stump.
02:10:31.000It was his biography and his appeal to bipartisanship that will be most distinguishing about not only his present, but his possible future.
02:11:08.000It's definitely this administration as well.
02:11:09.000That should tell you something that they agree on so many things.
02:11:12.000Talking to feel fine about the debate.
02:11:14.000They're not doing cartwheels the way they were after the Harris and Trump debate a few weeks ago.
02:11:19.000But they think that this went well for them.
02:11:22.000And I predict that that exchange between Vance and Walls about whether Donald Trump lost the election is going to end up in a Harris ad by the end of the week.
02:11:32.000Both of these contenders came to the stage tonight being favorites of the base in their respective parties.
02:11:38.000Governor Walz was someone who went on television and called Republicans weird.
02:11:42.000Senator J.D. Vance was someone who would go on podcasts with Donald Trump Jr.
02:11:59.000For J.D. Vance, giving reassurance to traditional Republicans, conservatives, that they have a place in this Republican Party, even with former President Trump.
02:12:08.000They might not like those traditional Republicans' answer on the election, but they might like his answer on the economy and on border security.
02:12:15.000And for Governor Walz, it wasn't about being an attack dog.
02:12:18.000It was trying to make an overture to that centrist voter in a battleground state and say, hey, with Vice President Harris as a teacher and a coach.
02:12:26.000Ed, Gordon, quickly before we wrap, one of the big issues, though, was immigration so much so that they had to shut the mics off at one point.
02:12:31.000Yeah, but I think the civility that we saw tonight may be a mistake by Democrats, quite frankly.
02:12:38.000I talked at the outset of energizing this base I was just in Ohio, and many Democrats were livid about what's going on in Springfield.
02:12:47.000I think Waltz missed an opportunity to really push the racial insensitivity there.
02:12:52.000There was a sense of trying to be affable.
02:13:12.000So what Donald Trump will take away is the first third of the debate, where J.D. Vance made a very strong case that the Trump record on was the world on fire, yes or no?
02:14:42.000That's what it's about, being one with the people.
02:14:46.000So, let's go ahead, get hype train 10, I'll do 50, someone else donate a 50, and let's get everybody, let's get it to a point where almost no one is watching fucking ads.
02:15:25.000We are here with the very best political team in the business.
02:15:27.000We want to bring our panel back because we are joined by Chief Washington Correspondent Major Garrett Chief Election and Campaign Correspondent Robert Costa, Chief White House Correspondent Nancy Cordes, and CBS News contributor Ed Gordon.
02:16:13.000And he didn't say this, but I think many Democrats, if they feel they need to clean this up in any way, will say Tim Walz will never lose an embellishment battle to Donald Trump.
02:18:00.000Make it easier for women to have children so that they don't feel like they need to have an abortion.
02:18:05.000The challenge is that more than half of the country believes that women should have the right to an abortion.
02:18:10.000And I don't think it's clear that the people who believe that are going to be swayed by policies that are simply more pro-family.
02:18:20.000Bob, what lasts here beyond the end of our conversation in terms of the man at the top of the ticket and the woman at the top of the other ticket?
02:18:29.000For Senator Vance, he keeps his relationship with former President Donald Trump.
02:18:34.000Didn't make any major mistakes that would draw Trump's ire.
02:18:37.000I was tracking Trump's social media all night.
02:18:42.000And for Governor Walz, he remains that person who Vice President Harris can count on to go to battleground states.
02:18:48.000And elsewhere, and have a convincing personal story about being someone who is a teacher and a coach and comes from an everyday existence in Minnesota, ultimately became a House member and a governor, but came out of the education ranks and served his country in uniform.
02:19:04.000We want to go now to Ed O'Keefe who is there at the debate site.
02:19:08.000Ed, we just heard from our friend Bob Costa here saying that he's been monitoring President Trump and all signs a go positive reaction.
02:19:16.000What are you hearing from the Harris-Waltz campaign right now after this?
02:19:20.000Cecilia, we're in the spin room here, just down the hall from where the debate played out in the CBS Broadcast Center.
02:19:25.000This used to be a milk processing plant, and it does feel a bit like cattle is being herded here behind us, as Senator Vance is now in here, as other surrogates to the two campaigns are now here making their case.
02:19:38.000The Harris-Walls team suggests that they think he did rather well up against Senator Vance in a few different key moments.
02:19:47.000I'm quoting scripture at that one point during the conversation about immigrants talking about Matthew 25 the idea that there should be empathy for all people.
02:19:56.000They say that in their internal measurements of Of the actual debate that viewers that were watching liked that scene.
02:20:06.000The other part that they thought worked pretty well and that voters watching with them or that they were tracking enjoyed was the criticism of the Trump tax cuts for wealthier Americans.
02:20:16.000But they say, and Nancy was making this point earlier, that that final exchange regarding the future of democracy on January 6th was most damning.
02:20:24.000They say that that exchange and Vance's refusal to say who exactly won the election, the fact that he dodged questions about it, is something that they will seize on in the coming days as a reminder to skeptics, to those concerned about Trump, that once again it appears they may be preparing to question the results of the election.
02:20:47.000You know, beyond that, there were, at the beginning at least, concerns among Democrats more broadly about how the governor sort of stumbled out of the gates a bit, especially uneasy on those questions about Mideast policy and what exactly the United States should do in terms of Israel's response to Iran.
02:21:05.000Some conceding, perhaps, he, like Senator Vance, should be doing more interviews, perhaps, out on the trail.
02:21:10.000In the coming days, remember, Governor Walton...
02:21:12.000Yeah, because they're not talking to the media.
02:21:13.000By the way, we just reached Hypertrain a lot.
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02:34:12.000I'm on the night train I can never get it right in the night train I guess I I guess I guess I can love me I'm on the night train I love me on the night train right in the night train
02:34:42.000never never never never never never never ever minutes to go.
02:35:11.000Since I was born, they couldn't hold me down I've ever missed a kid, another burned out town I never played by the rules and I never really cared My nasty reputation takes me everywhere What neither can see, it's not all
02:35:44.000Tell me the others have stood where it's then We are the young hearts They call us problems, child We spend our nights, my child We walk an endless mile We are the UConn Wild We stand and we won't fall We're one and one's for all The match is on the wall We are the UConn Wild
02:36:08.000A boss screaming in my ear About who I'm supposed to be We're halfway there, guys.
02:39:52.000Waltz is headed to central Pennsylvania to campaign.
02:39:55.000He was supposed to do that with Vice President Harris, who instead will be staying back in Washington and attending to official duties in the coming days.
02:40:02.000She'll be visiting storm damage in Georgia, and then we anticipate over the weekend heading to North Carolina.
02:40:07.000So they will not be seen together on the trail as we thought they might, so that she can attend to official duties and he'll continue campaigning in that key state of Pennsylvania, one where, of course, both he and Vance were hoping to win over support tonight.
02:40:22.000Caitlin Huey-Burns is also at the CBS News Broadcast Center.
02:40:26.000Caitlin, what are you hearing from the Trump-Vance camp?
02:40:28.000Well, the Trump campaign is essentially doing a victory lap.
02:40:32.000Quite literally, they were eager to come into the spin room and talk to reporters, senior advisors, campaign manager, and Donald Trump Jr., who, of course, is very close with J.D. Vance and was influential in that decision to name him as VP. But notably...
02:40:49.000Notably, I was talking to a campaign source who was heavily involved in this preparation, and they noted that there was, in the prep, a kind of conscious effort to focus on J.D. Vance's personal side, knowing that this was going to be An introduction of sorts to millions of Americans watching.
02:41:10.000And if you think about it, going back to when J.D. Vance was announced as the running mate, remember, he was told 20 minutes before this was announced that he would be the running mate.
02:41:21.000Then they had the convention, and the focus was very much on the top of the ticket and Donald Trump.
02:41:27.000And then came these interviews that were discovered that J.D. Vance had done, these controversial statements that he had made in podcast interviews and kind of other forms.
02:41:38.000They see this as a kind of a reset, but mostly to focus personal stories on the economy, which they believe is a deciding factor in this election.
02:41:48.000All right, Caitlin, thank you so much.
02:41:50.000Senator Vance and Governor Walz made many claims tonight.
02:41:53.000Major Garrett has been fact-checking them on the fly and in real time.
02:41:57.000Major, you're going to start with Opio.
02:41:58.000All right, let's see with some of these fact-checks here.
02:42:00.000By the way, guys, I'm going to go ahead and end the Xtreme on the Fresher Fit account.
02:42:05.000We are live on my main account, MyronGainesX, Castle Club, Rumble, and Twitch.
02:42:10.000We're going to make the switch on over from Rumble, though, to Twitch soon.
02:42:42.000Because they all touch on immigration, which was heavily debated in this process tonight, and the issues all run through, one way or another, the conversation, national and otherwise, about immigration.
02:42:53.000Let's start with the first one, dealing with opioid deaths.
02:42:56.000It came up in the context of immigration.
02:42:59.000The claim, this was from Governor Walz.
02:43:02.000Opioid crisis, the good news, is in the last 12 months, the nation saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history, 30% decrease in Ohio.
02:43:11.000The CBS News confirmed team rates that partially true, and here's why.
02:43:15.000Our country's only been counting opioid deaths officially since 2015.
02:43:19.000And in 2024, our nation recorded, sadly, more than 77,000 opioid deaths.
02:43:25.000That was down 7% from the year before.
02:43:28.000About 3,000 deaths in 2024, slightly larger than that in Ohio.
02:44:04.000Immigration policy flowed through the President and the Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas.
02:44:11.000What Kamala Harris was appointed to do, or asked to do, was look at the root causes of immigration in the so-called Northern Triangle countries, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala.
02:44:24.000This is something that J.D. Vance said, again in the context of immigration, housing that is totally unaffordable because we have brought millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.
02:44:35.000CBS News confirmed team rates that is partially true.
02:45:34.000And I say that to kind of preface because some of you guys might not know that I'm a real estate investor, and this is one of the main things that I do.
02:45:39.000We do have a shortage of about four to five million homes in the United States, but that's single-family homes.
02:45:45.000So for them to be able to build, you know, the four million homes, or as Kamala Harris said, three million homes, it's almost impossible.
02:45:53.000And the reason why it's going to be extremely difficult to do is because contractors that build homes are more prioritized, guys, with doing commercial Real estate.
02:46:01.000What do I mean by commercial real estate?
02:46:02.000They want to do big apartment complexes because when you do big apartment complexes, you make more money.
02:46:07.000Building single-family homes isn't profitable, unfortunately, guys, because the cost of material has went up.
02:46:13.000After the Ukraine-Russia war, the price of lumber and the price of materials went up significantly.
02:46:20.000In the United States nowadays, single-family homes, for that matter, is extremely cumbersome, expensive, and a lot of contractors simply don't want to do it.
02:46:28.000So with that said, it's important to note that this thing that they're talking about, like building more homes, it's not really feasible the way that they're talking about it.
02:47:17.000So until we reel that in and then give incentives for builders to build single family homes, we're not going to fix the problem.
02:47:24.000So you got to tackle this at the BlackRock level, not letting them buy up a bunch of single family homes.
02:47:29.000You got to put some type of legislation in place to keep them from buying the single family homes and taking them away from these single families, from these families.
02:47:36.000Then you also got to go ahead and handle the issue with Contractors not wanting to build these single family homes.
02:47:43.000You need to find a way to incentivize them to do it.
02:47:45.000Maybe it could be tax breaks, whatever it is.
02:47:47.000But those are two big problems in the housing market that no one ever fucking talks about.
02:48:47.000No one wants to answer this fucking question on, did Trump lose the election?
02:48:51.000That Donald Trump can restore to America.
02:48:54.000For four years, we had stable prices, rising wages, a secure border, and a peaceful, stable world.
02:49:02.000And over the last four years, because Joe Biden has been president and Kamala Harris has been his vice president, we've had everything going to hell in a handbasket.
02:49:09.000Donald Trump is going to bring back the good times we had.
02:49:12.000Kamala Harris will extend four years of Joe Biden's presidency.
02:49:16.000I realize that this is about something that's in the past, Senator, but it is something that the Republican nominee for president brings up a lot.
02:49:23.000And the reason I think it's more than just something that can be dismissed in the past is when you talk to national security officials about domestic violence, they say one of the things that stokes that violence is the idea that the last election was fraudulent and that Donald Trump was the rightful victor.
02:49:40.000And so this isn't something about the past.
02:49:42.000It is a Kindling of what, according to national security experts, a present threat of violence.
02:49:51.000And that's why this is not something that's in the past.
02:49:53.000Why isn't it easy to just say he lost and now we hope he wins?
02:49:57.000Well, first off, John, I don't know who these experts are you're talking about.
02:50:00.000Tim Walts tonight said, just like Kamala Harris has said for years, she wants to defer to the so-called experts.
02:50:05.000These are the experts maybe that told us we should shut down schools or put kids in masks.
02:50:10.000These are the same experts that told us that Israel should be restrained every time it gets attacked, as opposed to letting Israel win.
02:50:17.000So I don't know who the so-called experts you're referring to here.
02:50:20.000But I can tell you, the real threat of violence that we see in America today is rampant crime in our streets.
02:50:28.000Or Kamala Harris and Joe Biden having 28,000 murderers and rapists who are illegal aliens released into our communities.
02:50:36.000Or for that matter, turning the other way when our streets are burning as they were during the BLM riots in 2020.
02:51:03.000One question for you before we let you go on the issue of reproductive rights, which created a healthy exchange on that debate stage.
02:51:09.000We heard Senator Vance tonight say that many Americans have lost faith in your own party and Republicans when it comes to reproductive rights.
02:51:17.000He said, quote, we've got to do so much better a job at earning Americans trust back.
02:51:24.000Well, I thought J.D. gave a very good answer on the way American democracy works.
02:51:29.000He said he has his personal views, but the people of Ohio disagreed with him, just like the people of California are going to have a different view than the people of Alabama or Ohio.
02:51:38.000I think he respects the American people.
02:51:41.000He will level with them in a way that Tim Waltz did not tonight.
02:51:44.000Tim Waltz signed a law that would allow a child born in a botched abortion to die on the table, to be denied life-saving rights.
02:51:53.000And that's a law that he didn't want to go into detail about when questioned by J.D. Vance.
02:52:23.000Tim Walz refused to answer a question whether he thinks any restrictions at all should be imposed on abortion in the ninth month of a pregnancy.
02:52:32.000J.D. Vance was leveling with the American people, not only about where he stands, but about how democracy works.
02:52:38.000He and President Trump respect the diversity of opinion on this question and other questions in our democracy.
02:52:43.000It's Tim Walz and Kamala Harris that wants a radical, one-size-fits-all solution for the country.
02:53:58.000...for there to possibly be more jabs thrown, but as I'm asking you guys again, because we were able to talk before we went to the program, raise your hand if you feel like Senator J.D. Vance won this debate.
02:54:33.000Yeah, I also agree that J.D. Vance, I think, was a smooth talker.
02:54:37.000The thing that I appreciated about Governor Walz is that I felt like he did answer more of the questions, like with actually, with data points and like with evidence, so I appreciated that perspective.
02:54:47.000All of you here, when we were talking offline, said that immigration is still a big topic for you.
02:54:54.000And you all also seem to agree based on the conversations that you heard when you heard Senator Vance talking about it as well as Governor Walz.
02:55:04.000Start with you, Max, about what stood out with the policies that were proposed and why you feel so strongly about it.
02:55:12.000On immigration, I feel that as the United States of America, there are people who want to come here for a better life, and there's a legal and proper way to do that, and that needs to be followed.
02:55:22.000You should expect that if you try to enter a country with Um, illegally to be turned away.
02:55:28.000Um, it is a mess that we have found ourselves in over the last four years with the extremely heightened immigration and families coming here, children being born here, and then what are we gonna do?
02:55:39.000We've got now children, United States citizens, and parents that are not.
02:56:16.000And when Democrats are in, they don't want you to go hard on immigration.
02:56:18.000I can tell you guys this from professional experience.
02:56:20.000And obviously the Border Patrol agent told that when we had him on the show.
02:56:23.000But when you but if you do go hard on it, then they call you a family separatist and a fucked up individual.
02:56:31.000You know, criminal element here as well.
02:56:35.000And People coming from other areas that, you know, they're from a different culture and things that were okay necessarily where they came from are not okay here and it creates a serious problem for our criminal justice system.
02:56:49.000Ellie, I want to turn to you about reproductive rights because you said that was the top issue for you outside of gun violence because of your two young children as well as the economy.
02:56:59.000But what did you hear when they were talking about the issue of reproductive rights that struck you?
02:57:04.000And you also say you're now leaning more toward voting for Trump in advance after this debate.
02:57:10.000Before this debate started, you said you weren't sure.
02:57:14.000Yeah, I really like that Vance said that he was pro-family and not necessarily pro-life or pro-choice.
02:57:21.000It was pro-family, which I really appreciated.
02:57:58.000No matter at what stage of your pregnancy.
02:58:01.000So it's a hard one to decide for me on that one because I don't think that there was...
02:58:07.000Yeah, I'm not surprised it's a hard one because, you know, this is a very, you know, women almost always vote for reproductive rights regardless of where they stand politically.
02:58:19.000And this is why Democrats are able to garner the female vote much better than the Republicans are because they have a clear thing.
02:58:25.000Oh, we're never going to fuck with your reproductive rights versus like Trump delegates it to the states and then there's some, you know, it's not necessarily clear.
02:58:34.000People can go in and say that he's, you know, against abortion when in reality he's not.
02:58:38.000So they're able to, the Democrats are able to twist and manipulate the narrative to fit what they want, which they have done very well, by the way.
02:58:47.000Because the Republicans basically delegated it to the states.
02:58:51.000And that frees it up for them to kind of just be like, bam, we got the female vote now.
02:58:56.000What his opinion was or what their opinion will be.
02:58:59.000But I liked his view on it that it was more pro-family.
02:59:02.000Yeah, Shay, just don't kick anybody out that's real.
02:59:05.000You know, kick out the bots, but obviously let's keep our real people in here.
02:59:09.000Well, we're going to keep talking and we're going to have more for CBS Mornings tomorrow.
02:59:14.000But as you can see and hear, economy, immigration, still big issues for these voters today.
02:59:20.000But the biggest takeaway, all of you guys said you were just surprised, impressed, and actually feeling more hopeful after seeing two people sort of go at it, but in a very respectful, civil way.
02:59:31.000So, John, we'll send it back to you in the studio.
03:00:27.000He has a lot of thoughts and ideas about the economy and the future, but his essential argument was, why didn't she do any of that during the Biden administration?
03:00:37.000Well, she's running to be president of the United States, and you can compare the plan of Kamala Harris to Donald Trump's, and Donald Trump's plan is just a bad deal for the American people, his Project 2025, which...
03:01:05.000As you saw in this debate, J.D. Vance has to defend, and it's an unpopular agenda where it's going to raise costs for families $4,000 a year through this flawed tariff plan that he has, where Kamala Harris wants to bring down costs for American families on prescription drugs, health care, child care, education, housing.
03:01:30.000And let me ask on the foreign policy front, Senator, which is obviously top of mind when you look around the world at this precise moment, J.D. Vance's argument was there were no new outbreaks of war under the Trump administration, and that while he may, you know, have some behaviors people don't like, that he created a kind of deterrence in his presidency.
03:01:58.000She put it on sub only just so she can get rid of the bots.
03:02:02.000But we're going to put it back to open for you guys.
03:02:04.000What people don't like is something our allies have experienced.
03:02:09.000During four years of Trump being in the White House, and he has rather effectively shredded some of our alliances, and we rely on those alliances for our safety.
03:02:20.000John, I was over in the Baltics and in Finland just about six weeks ago, and they're really concerned about November 5th.
03:02:28.000They're paying close attention to our election because they feel that if things don't...
03:02:33.000Go well in Ukraine for the Ukrainians.
03:02:41.000And if they're invaded by Russia, and I think the American people know where Donald Trump stands on NATO and Russia, that makes Americans less safe.
03:02:54.000You know, our kids, for some people, their grandkids could wind up In a conflict in Europe, and that isn't good for anybody.
03:05:17.000It was 42 Vance, 41 Walls, and 17% a tie.
03:05:23.000So, look, this was very even, but what was underpinning that was that people told us that each of the candidates they thought was reasonable, number one, and then number two, another thing I noticed, John, was that the...
03:06:29.000I mean, J.D. Vance tried to find, when he was struggling with the Republican record or perceptions of Republicans on reproductive rights, excuse me, healthcare, gun violence, to sound bipartisan, because he knew that was the safest life raft to get in.
03:06:43.000Yeah, I mean, that is true, but you've got to also remember that the Republicans are fairly more central this time around, man.
03:07:04.000enjoyed was the criticism sorry chat of them either from a different color yes or Donald Trump Stan thank you and that was effectively even it It was 42 Vance, 41 Walls, and 17% a tie.
03:07:22.000So, look, this was very even, but what's underpinning that was that people told us that each of the candidates they thought was reasonable, number one, And then number two, another thing I noticed, John, was that the favorable ratings for each of those candidates went up compared to how they came into the debate was higher afterwards.
03:07:43.000So all of that sort of underpins this really positive tone that people came out of the debate with.
03:08:20.000Congressman, why not get Tim Walz out there in, in more unscripted settings, doing more interviews?
03:08:26.000That is something that you've already seen, I think, in some of the reaction coming from Democratic strategists who were suggesting maybe he was a little bit too nice on the debate stage tonight.
03:08:34.000And if he had done more unscripted interviews, he'd have a little bit more comfort level on a night like this.
03:08:39.000Yeah, look, I think he did what he had to do tonight.
03:08:46.000And I think that they, in some ways, they both executed on their own objectives, right?
03:08:51.000I mean, J.D. Vance had to go out there and show America that he's not just, like, a total sociopath.
03:08:58.000Potentially he achieved that, and Tim Walz went out there and showed that he's an effective leader and has the chops to be the Vice President of the United States.
03:10:06.000That bald bundle of sticks or cigarettes, if you guys know what I'm saying.
03:10:09.000Just lied when he said that we rely on our allies for safety, but then just proceeded to say that the Baltic nations feel that they're going to be the next targets if we don't continue to support Ukraine and if it eventually falls.
03:11:28.000We're going to take it easy on you guys with the moderation.
03:11:30.000We're not going to kick y'all ninjas all the way out.
03:11:31.000We're just going to give you guys a warning.
03:11:33.000Because we're on Twitch, guys, and you guys got to remember, bro, we're controversial, so we already got a bunch of people on our fucking asses.
03:12:19.000But in the end, though, I got to turn this back to the debate.
03:12:23.000It's a sad situation for Donald Trump when he's him and his allies, family and otherwise, are trying to stumble around looking for some excuse as to why he doesn't want to debate anymore when the obvious reason is staring us right in the face.
03:12:37.000He got trounced in the last debate and doesn't want to do it again.
03:12:41.000The reason why I think, you know, it's funny, Savannah and Lester were doing the special report right before this broadcast and said, show of hands, do you want to see a debate?
03:12:49.000Now, I'm not typically a show of hands kind of person, right?
03:12:51.000But in this instance, I think any, of course, journalists want transparency.
03:12:55.000We want to hear from the people who folks are either electing or might be about to elect.
03:12:59.000I think generally, right, as a journalist, debates are a good thing.
03:13:03.000The more you hear from candidates, they're a good thing.
03:13:05.000And I bring this up because what we saw tonight were a lot of questions on policy.
03:13:38.000I might spark up a space for y'all ninjas after.
03:13:40.000...issues from healthcare to the economy to foreign policy on Iran and Israel and much more climate change, for example, which is not something that's come up a lot.
03:13:49.000It would be an opportunity for Donald Trump to speak more clearly about some of his policy positions on, for example, immigration and how you would actually implement mass deportations, which J.D. Vance did not answer.
03:14:00.000To speak more clearly on his position on abortion access, for example, he did make some news on that front tonight, tweeting out during the debate.
03:14:06.000Sophia Miami got banned off of Rumble.
03:14:10.000She must have been saying some crazy shit for y'all to kick her off.
03:16:18.000He's already done one, what, on CNN and also on ABC. Two entities we deem hostile to our side, went into those places and had those debates.
03:16:28.000Kamala Harris would never go on Fox News and do a debate, ever.
03:16:31.000You know, presidential elections particularly are about the future, not the past.
03:16:40.000And Donald Trump is getting old, so I'm not going to hold him accountable for this.
03:16:44.000But what was interesting about J.D. Vance's debate tonight is how shallow he was about the future.
03:16:52.000Could not answer with any specifics about addressing the childcare crisis.
03:16:55.000Could not answer with any specifics how he would change the ACA as they purportedly want to improve upon it.
03:17:03.000Could not answer with any specifics how he would execute this mass deportation that they talk about each and every day in a humane manner at all, so that they don't have any policy specifics.
03:17:17.000It's a failure of their actual campaign, not even one individual.
03:17:21.000Let me just ask you this, though, because here we are, and we talked about this a minute ago, and it's something that I think is important to remind people.
03:17:29.000Early voting is going to be rolling out increasingly over the course of the next two and a half weeks, right?
03:17:33.000You look at, I think it's the 17th or the 19th that you have one of the last of the key Sunbelt battlegrounds that goes for in-person early voting.
03:17:39.000Did anything that happened here tonight move the needle to a degree that could make a difference in this race, in your view?
03:18:23.000When you're talking about elections decided by 42,000 votes across three states, J.D. Vance came out, and I think a lot of people seeing him for the first time after this caricature was painted of him by the media and others.
03:18:36.000People realize, wait a minute, this guy's had a hard upbringing, a tough life with a mother who was an addict.
03:18:42.000They couldn't make ends meet all the time.
03:18:43.000And he's not this vicious, crazy person that he was painted to be.
03:18:48.000Instead, he's someone who understands the policy, has a grasp on it, and he did a good job exposing the radical nature of Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
03:18:56.000Tim didn't even really talk about Kamala Harris.
03:18:58.000He couldn't because she has no policies.
03:19:00.000He just kept talking about Donald Trump the whole time.
03:19:02.000All right, so both of you think that this could maybe make a difference when voters go and hit the ballot box.
03:19:09.000Tom Yamas, I'll bring you back in there at the spin room.
03:19:11.000To the point that both Hogan Gidley and Max Rose were making, this is an election that will be decided absolutely on the market.
03:19:18.000All right, we'll get to the ditty stuff here soon.
03:19:20.000Those key counties and those key battlegrounds here, I've been out on the road talking to folks about those big issues like the economy and immigration.
03:19:26.000This is going to be a competitive race over the course of the next 35 days.
03:19:31.000And it's interesting what's going to change the race, right?
03:19:34.000Because if that's it with the debates, no more debates.
03:19:36.000It's unclear if there'll be any more consequential interviews after this Sunday.
03:19:40.000What else do they have to sort of make up their mind?
03:19:43.000They're going to have to watch our coverage and other coverage and sort of go from there.
03:19:46.000That's going to do it for our coverage tonight.
03:20:05.000Our coverage of the first and only vice presidential debate on NBC News Now is just getting started.
03:20:10.000My colleague Holly Jackson will join me in just a moment.
03:20:13.000I'm live from the spin room in New York City where we'll hear from some top advisors to both candidates and from undecided battleground voters.
03:20:20.000The big question, were any minds changed tonight?
03:20:23.000You see this handshake right here between two candidates in a debate that kicked off with a question on the unfolding situation.
03:20:29.000Yeah, I think J.D. Vance won this debate, guys.
03:20:57.000Me and her actually worked together to do this, this thread, because we had a whole space about this.
03:21:02.000And the 2020 presidential election was one of the most scrutinized elections in American history, resulting in numerous allegations of election fraud.
03:21:09.000Over time, numerous claims emerged with evidentiary support, often released in small batches, which may have diluted the urgency and significance of the issue.
03:21:17.000This thread seeks to compile a comprehensive list of all allegations related to election fraud from 2020, highlighting their severity and the compelling nature of the evidence presented.
03:21:26.000By examining these concerns in totality, we can foster informed discussions and take proactive measures to strengthen the electoral system, ensuring its integrity and preventing any future vulnerabilities.
03:21:35.000So I'll schedule a space with special guests that are incredibly knowledgeable, blah, blah, blah, right?
03:21:39.000So she goes ahead and has a summary here, right?
03:21:42.000And I'll go ahead and give you guys the link to this thread so you guys can go ahead and read it in your free time.
03:21:47.000We're just gonna quickly gloss over it, but this is a pretty thorough analysis of some of the issues, right?
03:22:00.000So first, mail-in ballot fraud, deceased voters, Dominion voting systems, vote counting observers, late night ballot dumps, ballot harvesting, double voting, foreign interference, improper voter registration, manipulation by poll workers, geolocation data, surveillance footage, whistleblowers, Vulnerabilities in election laws, suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop, obviously that was a huge story, right, that could have swayed votes.
03:22:29.000Public and private partnership manipulation and censorship, big tech, CISA, CIA, FBI, dismisses Russian disinformation, right?
03:22:38.000And then summary of state-specific fraud allegations, 2020 election.
03:23:25.000There were 1,500 proven instances of voter fraud, criminal convictions, civil penalties, etc.
03:23:30.000And this is just what they discovered.
03:23:32.000But the point I'm trying to make, guys, is, and the thread is there for you guys if you guys want to check it out, is this isn't just people screaming, election fraud, election fraud!
03:23:41.000Like, there's some serious integrity issues with the 2020 election that need to be looked at again.
03:29:38.000Or if you're a member of Cast Club, you can watch on Cast Club.
03:29:40.000We got 200 plus people over there watching on Cast Club, bro.
03:29:43.000So instead of you bitching, you got to understand that for us to grow the Fresh Fit brand, we have to exist on the normie apps to a degree.
03:30:15.000And I'm literally giving you the opportunity right now to come on over to Twitch and we're going to gift you a sub and we're going to fucking unban you.
03:32:48.000So, even though I'm talking to your dumb asses, also for all the other people listening here, that this is what it takes to grow on social media, my friend.
03:32:54.000You must get on the normie apps, provide value, then they're like, damn, this is lit!
03:32:58.000Then they come to Castle Club, then they come to Rumble, etc.
03:33:02.000If we want Rumble to grow, we gotta take market share.
03:33:05.000If we want to take market share, we gotta be on the platforms that have the market share, bro.