Fresh & Fit - August 03, 2024


Kali Muscle On Surviving A Life of Crime, Prison, And A Heart Attack!

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prison acclimation fights prostitution rings drug game violence making money through social media health awakening watermelon diet YouTube and the future of Cali Muscle
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Myron Gaines Walter Weekes
Mentioned
Cali Muscle Guys Richard Ramirez Kimbo Slice Jeffrey Dahmer C.T. Fletcher Tookie Williams Cali Muscle Jay Cutler Kelly Vegas Trump Myron Kumi Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Kylie Muscle Kirkendall Kentucky Fried Chicken Delano State Prison Alpha Phi Alpha Matthew McConaughey Jonestown Massacre and 32 more
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On this episode of the Frustrated Podcast, we have a special guest, Cali Mosel. Cali is a social media influencer, entrepreneur, and entrepreneur. He has been with us for a long time and is one of the most genuine and down to earth people I know. We talk about how he got his start in the game, how he started his business, and how he ended up where he is today. We also talk about the upcoming Luxury Yacht Party he is throwing next Saturday, August 10th, which is going to be a party you don t want to miss. We hope you all enjoy this episode and don t forget to join us next Saturday for the Luxury yacht party. Tickets are on sale now, so make sure to get your tickets to the party before they sell out. We hope to see you there next Saturday! Cheers, EJ & The Crew! - The Frustrating Podcast Team Hosted & Produced By: EJ and The Crew Produced by: FreshFit Featuring: Tall Guy, Tall Guy & Tall Guy Callie Mosell EJ is an Influencer, Entrepreneur, Social Media Manager, and Social Media Strategist Cali Muscle is a Social Media Coordinator and Entrepreneurship Coach and has been in the business for over a decade. . In this episode, we get to sit down with Cali to talk about his life, his journey, his start-up, and what it's like in the industry, what he s been up to in the last few years, and why he s not here anymore. , and what s going to do in the future, and his plans for the future of the next few years. We also get to hear from Cali's plans for his future in the yacht party, and so much more. - Cali s future plans for this party. Ej and EJ s plans for next Saturday s - EJ's future, Ej s future in this weekend s . . , EJ talks about what s coming next, and much more! . EJ gives us all the details on the party and more. EJoes Podcast, and we hope you guys enjoy this one! EZ & EJ gets a chance to be there! and we also gives us some insight into what s to come.

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00:11:30.000 And we are live with the legend himself, Cali Muscle Guys.
00:11:32.000 Let's get into it!
00:11:33.000 Let's go!
00:12:32.000 We're good to go.
00:12:44.000 You know exactly where to find us, rumble.com slash freshfit.
00:12:46.000 Also, cowsclub.tv, guys.
00:12:47.000 That's where all of our content is.
00:12:49.000 All the stuff that isn't necessarily as safe, the tough discussions, the Zoom calls, etc.
00:12:54.000 It's all there at cowsclub.tv, man.
00:12:55.000 Check us out over there.
00:12:56.000 You want to support the mission.
00:12:57.000 You want to keep us independent so that we don't have to necessarily rely on these...
00:13:02.000 Platforms.
00:13:03.000 These platforms.
00:13:04.000 Check us out over there on CastleClub.tv.
00:13:07.000 Also, guys, Yacht Party, August 10th.
00:13:08.000 It's going to be next Saturday, okay?
00:13:11.000 August 10th.
00:13:12.000 It's going to be lit.
00:13:12.000 9 p.m.
00:13:13.000 to 1 a.m., 130 foot plus yacht.
00:13:15.000 It's going to be three stories, open bar, bunch of hot girls. 1.00
00:13:18.000 We're probably going to have easily 200 plus girls there. 1.00
00:13:20.000 We got about 100 tickets or so for the guys, 100 to 150, depending on what it looks like.
00:13:27.000 VIP is sold out.
00:13:27.000 VIP is sold out already, guys.
00:13:29.000 So tickets are on sale right now, ffpod.org.
00:13:31.000 And you can only get in for the cheap price of only $9.98, man.
00:13:35.000 You are never going to be able to get on a yacht that big with that many girls for that price point. 1.00
00:13:39.000 Because I'll tell you this, with a thousand bucks, you can't even get your own yacht with a Cuban captain that's illegally here that can't speak English, bro. 1.00
00:13:45.000 You have to be there with 13 ugly mid-girls, and you've got to find them yourself. 1.00
00:13:48.000 We found them for you. 0.98
00:13:49.000 It's going to be lit.
00:13:50.000 We're going to be IRL streaming.
00:13:51.000 We're going to have other influencers there.
00:13:52.000 It's going to be a good-ass time, guys, so make sure to join in.
00:13:55.000 EvanPod.org.
00:13:56.000 Yacht Party is going to be lit.
00:13:58.000 Aren't you going to take a picture of the Yacht or something like that?
00:13:59.000 Yeah.
00:13:59.000 Are you going to go check it out?
00:14:00.000 We're going to go see it.
00:14:02.000 When you're going.
00:14:03.000 Oh, okay.
00:14:04.000 So Fresh will make a video for you, ninjas, because Yacht is brand new.
00:14:07.000 It literally got done, what, on the 30th?
00:14:10.000 28th, but they're doing some more finishing stuff to it now.
00:14:13.000 Okay, so we're going to be one of the first people to use this yacht, guys.
00:14:14.000 Either way, we're going to be the first people on the yacht.
00:14:15.000 Yeah, one of the first.
00:14:16.000 So make sure to definitely get your tickets now, guys.
00:14:20.000 $9.98, you ain't going to find a cheap price.
00:14:22.000 And an open bar.
00:14:22.000 That's the craziest part.
00:14:23.000 So eventpod.org.
00:14:25.000 We hope to see you guys there.
00:14:26.000 But anyway, without further ado, we've got a special guest in the house, man.
00:14:31.000 Callie Mosel, welcome to the Frustrated Podcast, man.
00:14:34.000 We know who you are, but they don't know who you are.
00:14:38.000 I'm an influencer, you know what I mean?
00:14:41.000 Started from a bad beginning.
00:14:45.000 Not, you know, just making bad choices or whatever.
00:14:49.000 But thanks for having me.
00:14:50.000 Firstly, I've been watching you guys' shows since you started.
00:14:53.000 Oh, thank you.
00:14:54.000 You know what I mean?
00:14:55.000 It's my number one podcast.
00:14:58.000 Appreciate it, brother.
00:14:59.000 So I feel like I made it because I'm here.
00:15:01.000 Well, we've been trying to get a hold of you and bring you on for like a year or two, bro.
00:15:05.000 I don't know if Organic or Tall Guy told you, but like, bro, we've been trying to get you on for a minute.
00:15:09.000 Uh-uh.
00:15:09.000 I never knew it.
00:15:10.000 So I never had my DMs open.
00:15:15.000 Oh, that's what it was.
00:15:17.000 I just now opened up my DMs when I started my program.
00:15:20.000 Oh.
00:15:21.000 That makes sense. 0.94
00:15:22.000 Probably didn't want to deal with the headaches and shit like that. 0.97
00:15:24.000 Oh, no. 0.98
00:15:24.000 Yeah, fair enough. 0.98
00:15:25.000 Actually, yeah, I do remember DMing you and it was like not open for messages.
00:15:30.000 Oh, no.
00:15:30.000 I would have been on it.
00:15:31.000 I would have been flew out here for this.
00:15:33.000 Yeah, bro.
00:15:34.000 We were trying to bring you on for years, man.
00:15:36.000 For a minute, bro.
00:15:37.000 Now we know.
00:15:37.000 Yeah.
00:15:38.000 Because I remember when we first tapped in with Tall Guy and Organic, you were one of the first people who were like, hey, can you get us in touch with Cali Muscle?
00:15:44.000 Is that right?
00:15:44.000 Yeah, bro.
00:15:45.000 I would have been on here, bro.
00:15:46.000 Yeah.
00:15:47.000 Well, we're here now, which is great.
00:15:50.000 So, yeah, bro.
00:15:51.000 What's going on, man?
00:15:52.000 Any updates?
00:15:54.000 Oh, you know, today my last day of watermelon fast.
00:15:58.000 Everybody that cop is like, all you gonna talk about is watermelon.
00:16:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:02.000 Well, it's the last day.
00:16:03.000 And I almost fell out working out at Bussel Beach.
00:16:07.000 Didn't have enough calories in my system and went crazy.
00:16:11.000 Crazy, muscle-ups, pull-ups, and that Miami heat.
00:16:15.000 Yeah, it's different.
00:16:16.000 That's no joke.
00:16:17.000 Oh, yeah.
00:16:18.000 I mean, I felt good, but I didn't know my body was overheating or whatever.
00:16:23.000 Yeah.
00:16:23.000 So, yeah, it was an experience.
00:16:25.000 Yeah, I'm sure.
00:16:27.000 So you're a legend in the space of YouTube and fitness as well.
00:16:30.000 How did you get started into fitness itself and then YouTube?
00:16:33.000 So...
00:16:34.000 When I got out of prison in 2006, a guy approached me and said he wanted to do a video of me doing pull-ups, working out or whatever.
00:16:45.000 And at the time, I was a stripper.
00:16:47.000 And so I was doing a lot of model mayhem stuff and videos.
00:16:54.000 So...
00:17:01.000 I ain't heard that one.
00:17:03.000 He was laying in the cuts with that one.
00:17:06.000 So yeah, he did a video of me doing pull-ups.
00:17:11.000 And so I read the comments.
00:17:14.000 And I'm like, oh, they're saying I didn't do it military style.
00:17:17.000 Let me do a muscle-up video.
00:17:19.000 So I did a muscle-up video, and that went viral.
00:17:22.000 And I just, I was an addict for the comments.
00:17:26.000 So I was replying, doing reply videos, basically to the comments that the trolls would say.
00:17:33.000 And this is what, 2006?
00:17:35.000 So yeah, no, that was 2006.
00:17:39.000 Let's see, seven, I got seven, eight.
00:17:41.000 Okay.
00:17:42.000 Literally, so like the beginning of YouTube.
00:17:44.000 Yeah.
00:17:44.000 Like, yeah.
00:17:44.000 Yeah.
00:17:45.000 So the first person I saw on YouTube was, uh, what do you call it?
00:17:51.000 Fightin'.
00:17:51.000 Uh, Kembo.
00:17:52.000 Kembo Slice.
00:17:53.000 Kembo Slice back in the day! 0.99
00:17:54.000 Yeah, Kembo.
00:17:55.000 Hey, yo! 1.00
00:17:56.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
00:17:58.000 Kimbo was the first video I saw. 1.00
00:18:00.000 And so I started doing videos here and there, whatever.
00:18:03.000 It got monetized.
00:18:05.000 Then I started bodybuilding in 2009.
00:18:08.000 Okay.
00:18:09.000 Because a guy told me I had genetics and, you know, all I had to do is...
00:18:14.000 Because I was anti-steroid supplements, everything.
00:18:17.000 At this point?
00:18:18.000 Right.
00:18:19.000 Okay.
00:18:19.000 Yeah, I was about 33, 34 at the time.
00:18:23.000 And... 0.98
00:18:25.000 And so he told me, oh, you would kill them in bodybuilding. 0.95
00:18:27.000 You make a lot of money like Ronnie and Jay and Flex. 0.95
00:18:30.000 We're all these guys.
00:18:32.000 And I was making a lot of money at the time shipping Ecstasy to Denver. 1.00
00:18:36.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:18:36.000 So I'm like, shit, I might as well invest in myself. 1.00
00:18:39.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:18:40.000 And so I did my first bodybuilding show in 2009. 0.99
00:18:46.000 And one out of 25 motherfuckers. 0.99
00:18:49.000 I didn't know what I was doing. 0.99
00:18:51.000 I was just reading stuff on the internet, getting all the steroid books, and I became a studier.
00:18:59.000 Were you even on gear at this point when you won that show?
00:19:01.000 No.
00:19:02.000 No, when I did that show, what happened was I went to a show and Jay Cutler made me look like a little boy.
00:19:10.000 Okay.
00:19:10.000 And I'm like, oh, I was popping pills at the time, a stripper and drinking.
00:19:15.000 And so I went to this show and he made me look bad.
00:19:19.000 And I threw all...
00:19:20.000 I'm like, oh, no, I ain't about to let this... 1.00
00:19:22.000 Cut all that shit. 1.00
00:19:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:19:22.000 And you start the gear. 1.00
00:19:24.000 Uh-huh.
00:19:24.000 So...
00:19:25.000 Let's go back a little bit because you have a very interesting story, right?
00:19:29.000 For people that aren't familiar with your story.
00:19:31.000 You had ex-con to icon the book.
00:19:33.000 I remember seeing that because I've seen your content since the early 2000s, 2010s, right?
00:19:39.000 You're one of the first big fitness influencers.
00:19:42.000 But let's go back to why you went to prison in the first place.
00:19:46.000 And your upbringing and stuff.
00:19:47.000 Can you tell us a little bit about that?
00:19:48.000 Where you grew up and what led to you going to jail the first time?
00:19:51.000 Yeah.
00:19:51.000 So I grew up in a middle-class home.
00:19:54.000 My mom was a nurse.
00:19:55.000 My stepdad was a...
00:19:57.000 Wait, a nurse?
00:19:57.000 Uh-huh.
00:19:58.000 My mom was a nurse.
00:20:00.000 Oh, that's that?
00:20:01.000 Yeah.
00:20:03.000 There you go.
00:20:04.000 So, yeah, my pops, my stepfather had his own auto body shop.
00:20:09.000 My birth dad, my biological, he was a Jim Jones survivor.
00:20:15.000 Oh.
00:20:16.000 Oh.
00:20:16.000 Jonestown Massacre survivor.
00:20:18.000 Oh, wow.
00:20:19.000 Okay.
00:20:19.000 If you look up, my birth name is Chuck Kirkendall, and I'm a junior.
00:20:24.000 I changed my name in 2009 to Kylie Muscle Kirkendall.
00:20:28.000 And so, yeah, grew up in a middle class home.
00:20:33.000 Moms had and pops had like three, four, five cars at a time.
00:20:37.000 We had the best looking house.
00:20:39.000 Nice.
00:20:39.000 This is in California?
00:20:40.000 Yeah, Oakland, California.
00:20:42.000 Oakland, California.
00:20:42.000 Yeah.
00:20:43.000 This is the 80s, 70s at this point?
00:20:46.000 So yeah, in the 80s.
00:20:47.000 I was born in 75.
00:20:49.000 Okay.
00:20:50.000 So this was the 80s.
00:20:52.000 My neighborhood was a big drug area.
00:20:55.000 I think?
00:21:16.000 I became an avid gambler or whatever, shooting dice and things like that.
00:21:22.000 I went to high school and I wanted to be like my older brother.
00:21:25.000 He was four years older than me, a genius, 4.5 student.
00:21:30.000 He ended up going to Cal Poly San Luis Obispo on an engineering scholarship.
00:21:38.000 And so I was Mr.
00:21:39.000 Everything.
00:21:40.000 I was a senior class president, graduated 3.83 overall, GPA in the newspaper for sports, football, wrestling, track.
00:21:50.000 And what happened, my senior year...
00:21:52.000 So this is 1993 now, fast forwarding.
00:21:54.000 Right, so 1993, my senior year, my brother committed suicide.
00:21:59.000 Okay.
00:22:00.000 That changed me.
00:22:01.000 I went dark.
00:22:02.000 I was a youth pastor, believed in God, preached God, and I stopped believing in God, kind of, when that happened.
00:22:11.000 How did he pass?
00:22:12.000 Was it natural causes? 0.76
00:22:13.000 No, he shot himself, killed himself, suicide.
00:22:17.000 And this was my everything.
00:22:19.000 He was my idol, you know.
00:22:21.000 And so I went dark.
00:22:23.000 I was on my way to Fresno State with a full academic athletic scholarship.
00:22:28.000 So I went to school with a chip on my shoulder, angry.
00:22:32.000 What sport did you play?
00:22:34.000 Football.
00:22:34.000 I got recruited for football to Fresno State.
00:22:37.000 You said you went dark?
00:22:39.000 Yeah, I just, I went like, to the point where I just had tunnel vision.
00:22:45.000 Okay.
00:22:46.000 You know what I mean?
00:22:46.000 Everything, nothing else mattered.
00:22:48.000 I just was working out, training for football, and I'm like, I'm going to the NFL if it killed me.
00:22:55.000 I thought you meant darker than me.
00:22:58.000 Hey, man.
00:22:59.000 Oh, my hand darker than yours.
00:23:01.000 Yeah, okay, okay, a little bit, yeah.
00:23:03.000 I don't know about that, that's that Miami sun being down that face, man.
00:23:08.000 So you really, you started grinding, went to school.
00:23:12.000 Yeah, I went to Fresno and got in a financial bind and asked my coach, asked my mother.
00:23:19.000 They denied me.
00:23:20.000 And I had a pistol laying around and the devil got in my head.
00:23:26.000 So this is what, 94, 95 now at this point?
00:23:28.000 This is 94.
00:23:28.000 Okay.
00:23:29.000 Yeah.
00:23:29.000 So I was in college a year and a half.
00:23:31.000 I was in my sophomore year of college.
00:23:33.000 Yeah.
00:23:33.000 So the devil got in my head and I went...
00:23:35.000 19 years old now?
00:23:36.000 Yeah, 19.
00:23:38.000 Went on a robbery spree by myself and ended up going on a run.
00:23:45.000 And my parents were like, you can go on a run the rest of your life or you can deal with it young.
00:23:50.000 So I turned myself in back to Fresno.
00:23:53.000 How many people did you rob at this point?
00:23:54.000 Did you rob stores?
00:23:55.000 Did you rob people individually?
00:23:56.000 No, just people at the ATMs.
00:23:57.000 Okay, so they go there, ATMs, you just pop up out of nowhere.
00:24:00.000 Exactly.
00:24:00.000 Clean out your account.
00:24:01.000 Exactly, yeah.
00:24:03.000 And I got the idea of that from watching the news as a kid.
00:24:08.000 Okay.
00:24:09.000 Critiquing, you know, and I can see how people are to critique the news and think you know how to do a crime or whatever.
00:24:18.000 How many robberies did you do before the police started catching up to you?
00:24:22.000 I just did a few, like three.
00:24:24.000 Nothing made it.
00:24:25.000 It was like, I didn't know what the hell I was...
00:24:27.000 You know, God was spanking me, you know, immediately. 0.59
00:24:30.000 And I'm glad for it.
00:24:33.000 So yeah, so I ended up catching the case of an armed robbery.
00:24:38.000 Fighting it in county jail, Fresno County.
00:24:40.000 Ended up taking it to trial, losing. 1.00
00:24:42.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:24:43.000 Okay. 1.00
00:24:43.000 And so they ended up giving me seven years, and I was institutionalized, bro, my first week in prison. 1.00
00:24:51.000 I was already swole, 190, so everybody was looking at me as a shot caller.
00:24:55.000 So I loved the power.
00:24:58.000 And people ask me, you know, how did you like prison?
00:25:03.000 Because my life was structured.
00:25:05.000 Football, wrestling, track, church, go to college, then the fraternity, Alpha Phi Alpha.
00:25:12.000 And it was just my whole life was structured.
00:25:14.000 So when I got to jail, I'm like, oh, I felt like I belonged there.
00:25:19.000 It was weird.
00:25:20.000 Yeah.
00:25:21.000 Because you're already used to waking up early and having lunch at this time, dinner at this time, working out this time, all that.
00:25:28.000 So how did you acclimate to being in prison in California, which, please correct me if I'm wrong, the 90s was a different time, where it's like, from what I understand, the California state prison system is run by gangs and colored, right? 0.87
00:25:41.000 Like, if you're a black, you're with the blacks. 0.87
00:25:43.000 If you're a Latino, you're with the Latinos. 0.99
00:25:44.000 If you're white, you're with the whites and the gangs. 0.97
00:25:45.000 Obviously, California is the birthplace of the modern-day gangs we know today, Bloods, Crips, etc.
00:25:50.000 Exactly.
00:25:51.000 Like, how do you navigate that as a guy that wasn't really a street guy?
00:25:54.000 You were educated.
00:25:54.000 You went to school.
00:25:55.000 You know, you just made a couple robberies here.
00:25:57.000 How do you navigate that and kind of keep yourself out of getting stabbed or shanked?
00:26:02.000 California prisons are easy.
00:26:05.000 Okay.
00:26:06.000 You just got to play your card.
00:26:08.000 So I went in as a Muslim.
00:26:10.000 I started practicing Islam.
00:26:12.000 And so I learned how to read and write Arabic like in 60 days.
00:26:17.000 So they made me a mirror already.
00:26:21.000 I was 19 going on 20.
00:26:23.000 I was like the top dog. 0.87
00:26:25.000 I was as swole as they had seen already. 0.98
00:26:27.000 And I just had that presence of a leader. 0.79
00:26:30.000 And so I went to prison as a mirror.
00:26:34.000 So when I got to Delano State Prison, I was a top dog.
00:26:39.000 And, you know, I ran, did Juma services, everything.
00:26:44.000 Okay.
00:26:44.000 And so, yeah, so I did that for three years.
00:26:48.000 Do you think being a convert, like, that kept you away from a lot of the bullshit and the gang activity? 0.90
00:26:53.000 No. 0.96
00:26:53.000 And then, obviously, your size as well? 0.96
00:26:54.000 No.
00:26:55.000 You have a choice.
00:26:57.000 As a black guy in prison, especially, I was from the Bay Area, but I was in Southern California prisons.
00:27:04.000 I was from the North, and so... 0.94
00:27:06.000 No, so prison is for blacks. 0.98
00:27:10.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99
00:27:11.000 If you mind your business, you can go.
00:27:14.000 Ain't nobody gonna press you.
00:27:15.000 But for other races, white, Mexican, you gotta join up.
00:27:21.000 You gotta join up. 0.83
00:27:23.000 So yeah, blacks, we have it easier than other races. 0.84
00:27:28.000 Were there any booty warriors? 0.57
00:27:31.000 So, you know, it's funny.
00:27:32.000 I hear all those stories.
00:27:34.000 I never heard of nobody getting raped.
00:27:36.000 I never heard nobody screaming in the cell. 0.94
00:27:41.000 You gotta think, when I went in the 90s, you had trannies coming into the prison system. 1.00
00:27:48.000 You got gays that prostitute themselves. 1.00
00:27:51.000 Ain't nobody taking no booty like that in California. 1.00
00:27:56.000 I hear about other states, though.
00:28:00.000 So California isn't as bad as they say.
00:28:04.000 If you stick to yourself, obviously you're a Muslim, and then you are like a religious leader as well. 0.99
00:28:08.000 And you're educated, so people are going to respect you more because you're not like a bumbling moron like a lot of people that are in prison. 0.99
00:28:13.000 And you're big, so they don't want to mess with you. 0.99
00:28:14.000 Yeah.
00:28:15.000 Okay.
00:28:16.000 Yeah.
00:28:16.000 So, were you cool?
00:28:18.000 Like, were you just neutral? 0.95
00:28:19.000 Like, the Latinos, the black gangs, the white gangs, etc.
00:28:22.000 Like, you just were neutral?
00:28:23.000 You were, like, cordial with everybody? 0.98
00:28:25.000 Nobody fucked with you? 0.98
00:28:25.000 So, what happened was, no, nobody messed with you. 0.98
00:28:28.000 I never had no problems, bro.
00:28:30.000 No fights, no stabbing?
00:28:31.000 No, yeah, eventually.
00:28:32.000 Once I became a gang leader.
00:28:35.000 Oh, tell us about that.
00:28:36.000 Yeah, so I went from a Muslim.
00:28:39.000 I got this saying, Quentin, and I seen it was fake.
00:28:42.000 They was doing dope. 0.83
00:28:43.000 They was messing with, you know, them boys or whatever.
00:28:48.000 And so I'm like, all my friends I grew up with was in this gang called Kumi 415.
00:28:53.000 Okay.
00:28:54.000 So they was begging me, man, come on over here and run this.
00:28:57.000 You know what I mean?
00:28:58.000 Like, we don't have no good leaders.
00:29:00.000 And so I was like, you make me a shot caller with a high-ranking position, I will.
00:29:05.000 And so I ended up going to the hole and I transferred over from practicing Islam to running this game. 0.63
00:29:13.000 They gave me a high-ranking position.
00:29:16.000 Okay.
00:29:38.000 Oh, wow.
00:29:39.000 Yeah.
00:29:40.000 And so the founders were Black Panthers.
00:29:45.000 Because BGF was so hardcore and coming down on Blacks, they were like, oh, we need a spin-off to save the ones that's not a part of BGF. Okay.
00:29:57.000 So that's what I became a part of.
00:29:59.000 How often were you getting in fights at this point?
00:30:01.000 Because obviously there's going to be a target on your back if you're the top guy.
00:30:03.000 So...
00:30:04.000 The top guy didn't let you know he was the top guy.
00:30:07.000 Okay.
00:30:08.000 That was like our thing.
00:30:10.000 So you had never seen me in meetings.
00:30:14.000 You had never seen me grouped up with the guys.
00:30:18.000 So we was looked at, you know, these was OG Black Panthers. 0.97
00:30:22.000 So they knew how to structure.
00:30:24.000 They're like, nah, the head dude, never be seen with these guys.
00:30:27.000 Don't congregate and meet with them or nothing.
00:30:30.000 So I was, because, you know, in prison, like you say, Take the head off the body of fall.
00:30:37.000 That was the ideology.
00:30:39.000 And so, yeah, no, I was good with that.
00:30:41.000 And I would even act like I'm just a regular sometimes.
00:30:45.000 Like I'm a regular foot soldier or whatever, you know.
00:30:50.000 But it was, bro, it was, I'm just being honest, it was fun.
00:30:53.000 Really? 0.99
00:30:54.000 Oh shit, okay. 1.00
00:30:55.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:30:55.000 I was young, swole, had a ton of power, and prison was fun. 1.00
00:31:01.000 Shit. 1.00
00:31:01.000 And so, yeah, that's why I went back about four times. 1.00
00:31:06.000 Did you get in a lot of fights?
00:31:07.000 Like how many fights did you get in when you were in?
00:31:09.000 I didn't get in many.
00:31:09.000 So only time I got in a fight is when I wanted to set an example with my own.
00:31:14.000 Okay.
00:31:15.000 Well, like if they bucking the rules, and when I did that, it was a friend of mine.
00:31:21.000 So you beat up a member?
00:31:23.000 And it would be my friend. 1.00
00:31:24.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:31:25.000 Yeah, stabbed or beat up or whatever because I had to let people know. 1.00
00:31:30.000 You know, it's crazy because they'd be like, you calling shots, but you ain't putting no work.
00:31:36.000 Yeah.
00:31:36.000 So they'll start looking at you like that.
00:31:38.000 So I always, probably once a year, did something stupid to let them know that I put in work or whatever. 0.96
00:31:45.000 So it was something else, man.
00:31:48.000 So you go in first in 93, 94.
00:31:52.000 94.
00:31:53.000 94.
00:31:53.000 Because you committed the crimes in 93.
00:31:54.000 You go to trial.
00:31:55.000 No, I did it in 94.
00:31:57.000 Committed in 94.
00:31:58.000 The crimes in 94.
00:31:59.000 Went to trial, all that, within a year.
00:32:00.000 Yeah.
00:32:01.000 Boom, you're in.
00:32:01.000 And then you said you got seven years?
00:32:03.000 Seven years?
00:32:03.000 Uh-huh.
00:32:04.000 Did you do all seven?
00:32:05.000 I did all seven.
00:32:06.000 Straight?
00:32:07.000 Straight.
00:32:08.000 94 to 2001. 0.99
00:32:10.000 Damn. 0.98
00:32:10.000 Because San Quentin, it was so much fun popping up. 0.98
00:32:13.000 I'm going to the hole all the time.
00:32:15.000 Yeah.
00:32:16.000 I was in there with Jeffrey Dahmer.
00:32:19.000 You said Jeffrey Dahmer?
00:32:22.000 No, not Jeffrey.
00:32:22.000 Night Stalker was in a sale right next to you.
00:32:25.000 Oh, shit! 1.00
00:32:26.000 Richard Ramirez! 1.00
00:32:27.000 Hey, yo! 0.90
00:32:30.000 That's my biggest story with San Quentin, man. 0.97
00:32:33.000 I was next to him and I had goosebumps the whole damn time. 0.77
00:32:36.000 I got some questions on that. 0.87
00:32:38.000 For those that are unaware, Who we were talking about, guys, was the Night Stalker from the 1980s.
00:32:42.000 Not the Golden State Killer, the original Night Stalker.
00:32:44.000 The Night Stalker that they have the Netflix series on, Richard Ramirez, who killed a bunch of people.
00:32:48.000 And he was a strange serial killer because he killed them with guns, knives.
00:32:52.000 He used anything that was in a house.
00:32:53.000 He used a lot of tools in a house. 1.00
00:32:54.000 And actually, gun sales, I think in the summer of 1980 in Los Angeles, soared because everyone was terrified of this fucking guy. 0.99
00:33:01.000 So you were in with him. 0.94
00:33:03.000 Did you ever meet him?
00:33:03.000 Did you ever talk to him?
00:33:04.000 Well, he was in a cell right next to me, and he would just...
00:33:09.000 Different. 1.00
00:33:09.000 He just pacing in a circle, just talking to himself and shit. 1.00
00:33:14.000 Really? 1.00
00:33:15.000 Yeah.
00:33:15.000 Had a harem of women.
00:33:17.000 Like 50 broads would come see him at a time. 0.52
00:33:20.000 Yo, people...
00:33:21.000 Yo.
00:33:22.000 It's real.
00:33:22.000 That's facts.
00:33:22.000 No, no.
00:33:23.000 Because, because...
00:33:24.000 Yo, when he went to trial, right? 1.00
00:33:26.000 There were girls in the fucking courtroom going crazy. 1.00
00:33:29.000 Him, Ted Bundy, etc. 1.00
00:33:30.000 And this dude was sick. 1.00
00:33:31.000 He killed kids, all this shit. 1.00
00:33:33.000 But back then, they used to sensationalize serial killers. 1.00
00:33:36.000 What's that term again called for people that like killers like that?
00:33:39.000 There's a term, and only women have it. 1.00
00:33:41.000 I know what you're talking about.
00:33:42.000 Rolo Tomasi.
00:33:42.000 Hybristophilia.
00:33:43.000 Hybristophilia.
00:33:44.000 There you go. 1.00
00:33:45.000 Only women are attracted to that shit. 1.00
00:33:47.000 That's so weird, bro. 1.00
00:33:48.000 Like dangerous individuals like that.
00:33:50.000 Was he smaller than you?
00:33:51.000 Was he like small, frail?
00:33:52.000 No, he was frail as hell.
00:33:54.000 He was frail, the most palest human I ever saw.
00:33:59.000 Tall, right?
00:34:00.000 Like 6'1", 6'2", but very thin, yeah. 0.99
00:34:02.000 He looked like a fucking 1980s rock star. 1.00
00:34:05.000 Long hair, all that shit. 1.00
00:34:06.000 So nobody beat him up? 1.00
00:34:08.000 Yeah.
00:34:08.000 So he went to the yard when I was in the hole.
00:34:11.000 Because what they did, they put the people that went to the hole in with the death row inmates.
00:34:17.000 Oh, yeah.
00:34:17.000 East Block.
00:34:18.000 It's called East Block.
00:34:20.000 And so, yeah.
00:34:22.000 And I met Tookie up in there before they executed Tookie Williams.
00:34:27.000 So, yeah, it was a hell of an experience.
00:34:29.000 I had to learn Swahili while I was in the hole because the blacks only spoke Swahili. 1.00
00:34:34.000 Tuku Williams, the creator of the Crips?
00:34:36.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:34:37.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:34:38.000 So you were in with some people. 1.00
00:34:39.000 Oh, yeah.
00:34:40.000 It was popping.
00:34:41.000 So Richard Ramirez, he was sitting next to you.
00:34:46.000 You said girls would come and visit him all the time.
00:34:48.000 Oh, yeah.
00:34:48.000 Every visit, like three, four times a week.
00:34:51.000 Was it white girls, black girls, Asian girls? 1.00
00:34:53.000 What?
00:34:54.000 Uh-huh.
00:34:54.000 It had to be white.
00:34:55.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:34:56.000 I can't say it had to be.
00:34:58.000 Just saying, bro.
00:34:59.000 And you said he got beat up.
00:35:00.000 Like, what'd he get beat up for mostly?
00:35:01.000 So what happened was he went to the yard the first time in his being there, like in 10 years. 0.99
00:35:08.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
00:35:09.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:35:10.000 Because they probably kept him...
00:35:11.000 Did they keep him in ISO or whatever?
00:35:13.000 Nah, nah.
00:35:13.000 He was a general pop.
00:35:14.000 Yeah, he had a choice of going to...
00:35:18.000 In a death row in the hole, it's like a cage, maybe as big as this room, where they let the death row inmates go at one time if they want to go to the yard.
00:35:31.000 And they could do push-ups and work out and talk.
00:35:35.000 So he took his chance.
00:35:37.000 He took his shot.
00:35:38.000 He went out there, and they got on him immediately.
00:35:41.000 Stuck him a few times. 0.99
00:35:43.000 Stabbed him, punched him. 0.93
00:35:44.000 Who beat him up? 0.99
00:35:45.000 Was it the black gangs or the Hispanic gang? 0.86
00:35:48.000 Was it because he was famous? 1.00
00:35:50.000 Was it because he had chicks? 0.97
00:35:51.000 Was it because he had rape people in the past? 1.00
00:35:53.000 Okay, because he fucked with kids, right? 1.00
00:35:54.000 Yeah, and that's why they fucked him up. 1.00
00:35:56.000 Because other than that, if you don't rape as kids, people don't really care about women getting raped or none of that, because you don't know the story, you don't know the details. 0.99
00:36:08.000 So anything with kids, you're getting had. 0.96
00:36:11.000 So they were basically away from because he killed kids.
00:36:15.000 He kidnapped kids, yeah.
00:36:16.000 He actually left one of the...
00:36:18.000 If you watch that documentary with the Night Stalker, the first victim, the witness that comes in and tells her story, she was a kid when he kidnapped her and sexually assaulted her.
00:36:25.000 She actually survived.
00:36:26.000 He kidnapped her from her... 0.59
00:36:27.000 Yeah, he broke it.
00:36:28.000 That's why they call her the Night Stalker.
00:36:29.000 He'd break into the house, he kidnapped her, brought her back to his place, assaulted her for a couple days, then he actually let her live.
00:36:38.000 So, yeah.
00:36:39.000 What's wrong with these people, man? 0.73
00:36:40.000 Bro, serial killers, man.
00:36:41.000 They're on different timing.
00:36:42.000 Oh, so he got tampered with as a kid, right?
00:36:45.000 Yes, he did.
00:36:45.000 I think so.
00:36:46.000 Uh-huh.
00:36:47.000 Yeah.
00:36:47.000 So they ended up catching him.
00:36:49.000 They caught him off of a New Balance sneaker, if I'm not mistaken.
00:36:52.000 He had bought a very unique...
00:36:54.000 Pair of sneakers and it was a ten and a half.
00:36:57.000 And the detectives were able to figure out what store he bought it from, what day he bought it from based on the make of it because he left a footprint of this sneaker.
00:37:04.000 And they were tracing back to that purchase because I think he had used a credit card or something like that to buy it and that's one of the ways they identified him.
00:37:09.000 Even back then, huh?
00:37:10.000 Yeah.
00:37:11.000 Yo, I ain't never wear no more New Balance, bro. 1.00
00:37:13.000 Fuck that shit, nigga. 1.00
00:37:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:37:15.000 And then also witness that because he had really bad teeth and really bad hygiene, one of the things that a lot of the victims remembered was his fucking smell, too. 1.00
00:37:25.000 And a dirty-ass ACDC hat. 1.00
00:37:27.000 Guys! 0.99
00:37:28.000 Working hygiene, man.
00:37:29.000 You get caught like Richard Ramirez. 0.99
00:37:31.000 That's fucking crazy that you were locked up with him. 0.98
00:37:33.000 Did you ever speak a word to the guy or no? 0.99
00:37:35.000 No.
00:37:36.000 Oh hell no.
00:37:37.000 So basically he paced around in his room, talked to himself. 0.99
00:37:41.000 Bitches would come visit him. 1.00
00:37:44.000 Are conjugal visits allowed in California? 1.00
00:37:46.000 They are, right?
00:37:46.000 Yeah.
00:37:47.000 As long as you don't have no spousal abuse or anything alone that beating a woman or something like that.
00:37:56.000 Like crimes of domestic violence.
00:37:58.000 Right.
00:37:58.000 Can you explain to people real quick what conjugal visits are?
00:38:01.000 Oh yeah, so that's like, you know, if you're married or get married, they let you go, I believe it's every four months.
00:38:10.000 You can go on a date with your wife. 0.98
00:38:14.000 In a room for about three days, two to three days.
00:38:19.000 And, you know, make love.
00:38:20.000 You can make love.
00:38:22.000 Have a baby.
00:38:23.000 Really?
00:38:24.000 Yeah, it's something that only a few states have it.
00:38:26.000 It's conjugal visits.
00:38:28.000 And it's only available at the state level.
00:38:30.000 The feds don't allow it. 0.99
00:38:32.000 California's one of the few states that allows it.
00:38:33.000 So, interesting.
00:38:35.000 So he probably had conjugal visits with all these chicks. 1.00
00:38:37.000 No, he couldn't.
00:38:38.000 He couldn't because he wasn't married to him.
00:38:39.000 He was on death row.
00:38:40.000 Oh, he was on death row.
00:38:41.000 Uh-huh.
00:38:41.000 You're right.
00:38:42.000 Well.
00:38:43.000 And then you said, what was it like?
00:38:45.000 Did you ever talk to Tukey Williams?
00:38:46.000 No, I just seen him walk in the yard.
00:38:49.000 And, yeah, I seen him walk in the yard.
00:38:52.000 Everybody, they get quiet.
00:38:54.000 They go, Tukey. 0.84
00:38:56.000 But there was a whole lot of other cats that, you know, were weird too.
00:39:03.000 A lot of other big names that was there.
00:39:05.000 Did anyone try Tukey when you were there?
00:39:08.000 No, hell no. 0.99
00:39:11.000 Who else were you locked up with that was, you got some fucking celebs already. 0.99
00:39:15.000 Well, who else was there? 0.98
00:39:18.000 A few rappers.
00:39:20.000 Rappin' Forte was there. 0.66
00:39:23.000 He was from the Bay Area.
00:39:24.000 I'm trying to think.
00:39:25.000 Tupac, maybe?
00:39:26.000 I don't know who that is.
00:39:26.000 Tupac got arrested.
00:39:27.000 I think he was in jail.
00:39:28.000 No, he was in jail probably in New York.
00:39:30.000 He was in New York.
00:39:30.000 Yeah, he was in New York.
00:39:32.000 Well, it was quite a few other guys.
00:39:34.000 But it's funny, me in prison...
00:39:37.000 It was kind of a blur now.
00:39:39.000 When I wrote my book, it was the most difficult to remember the prison stuff.
00:39:45.000 Gotcha.
00:39:46.000 We're looking at 30 plus years ago.
00:39:49.000 I wrote my book in 2000.
00:39:54.000 I just looked it up.
00:39:55.000 11.
00:39:56.000 Yep.
00:39:57.000 2012.
00:39:57.000 So that was only a few years I had been out at that point.
00:40:01.000 And I still had forgot a lot about, you know, names and just...
00:40:06.000 I knew I could still tell you which prisons I went to what year, but names and all that stuff.
00:40:11.000 Which one was the worst?
00:40:12.000 Because I'm assuming while you were doing your seven years, like, they were moving you around the state, right?
00:40:16.000 By choice.
00:40:17.000 I wanted to break it up.
00:40:19.000 So every year I wanted to try to move somewhere.
00:40:22.000 Okay.
00:40:23.000 Yeah.
00:40:23.000 Was there like a reason you maybe you didn't like like the...
00:40:26.000 Just tired of the environment.
00:40:27.000 Oh yeah. 1.00
00:40:29.000 Shit. 1.00
00:40:30.000 You're the first person I think that we brought on that said like, jail wasn't that bad. 1.00
00:40:32.000 Nah, it was fun to me.
00:40:34.000 Okay.
00:40:34.000 Until the last time I went.
00:40:36.000 Okay, so 94 to 2000, roughly.
00:40:40.000 2001.
00:40:41.000 2001.
00:40:41.000 And then you went back a second time?
00:40:42.000 No, I went back four times. 1.00
00:40:44.000 Oh shit, let's go through it. 0.98
00:40:46.000 Yeah, so I got out in 2001. 1.00
00:40:48.000 I became a stripper, personal trainer, and I was making good money.
00:40:53.000 But then my money dipped.
00:40:55.000 I got in a drug game.
00:40:57.000 And I was in jail within...
00:41:00.000 I went back to jail from doing seven years and 11 months.
00:41:04.000 I caught another case, a drug case.
00:41:06.000 And to be clear, you were selling the product more than doing it.
00:41:09.000 Right, selling.
00:41:10.000 What were you selling at that point?
00:41:12.000 Crack. 1.00
00:41:13.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:41:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:41:17.000 Legit crack?
00:41:18.000 You ever tried it?
00:41:19.000 Hell no! 0.93
00:41:20.000 The only drug I ever tried was ecstasy.
00:41:24.000 Well, okay, this is early 2000s, right?
00:41:27.000 So, I mean, crack can be extremely profitable because you're able to break it down.
00:41:32.000 Crack cocaine?
00:41:33.000 Yeah, crack way more.
00:41:34.000 I mean, cocaine is more expensive, of course, but if you know what you're doing with the crack and you've got good cocaine to base from, you can... 0.99
00:41:40.000 Stretch that crack, make a bunch of fucking money. 0.96
00:41:42.000 So I was a shot caller, so I could get an unlimited amount of kilos. 0.99
00:41:47.000 Okay.
00:41:48.000 So I was getting the kilos, busting it down, cooking it, and dispersing it to all my gang members. 1.00
00:41:55.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
00:41:56.000 All right, let's talk about that real quick, because I used to work in law enforcement. 0.99
00:41:59.000 This stuff always fascinates me when I'm able to sit across from a former drug dealer.
00:42:03.000 Oh, yeah.
00:42:04.000 So...
00:42:06.000 Who's your connect?
00:42:06.000 Was it like the Mexicans that got it to you?
00:42:08.000 Okay, that makes sense.
00:42:09.000 So, at the time, were you still up in Oakland at this point?
00:42:13.000 Yeah, I'm still in Oakland.
00:42:14.000 At the house I grew up in, at my mother, in the neighborhood, that same neighborhood.
00:42:20.000 So, how many keys were you getting a month, roughly?
00:42:23.000 So, I was able to get...
00:42:25.000 Each time I met up with my guys, every three, four days I was getting five kilos.
00:42:31.000 You get three to five keys every three to five days?
00:42:33.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:42:34.000 What the fuck? 1.00
00:42:35.000 I was yanking, bro. 1.00
00:42:36.000 How much were you paying per key at this point?
00:42:38.000 So they would give them to me on consignment.
00:42:41.000 Oh.
00:42:41.000 And I would give them 15.
00:42:43.000 Wow.
00:42:44.000 Yeah.
00:42:45.000 And I was busting them down to, I was getting about 40 off each one.
00:42:50.000 So, were you getting them on full consignment, or were you just coming up with half of the time?
00:42:53.000 No, full consignment.
00:42:54.000 Okay, so you were buying them for $15, but they'd give it to you for consignment.
00:42:57.000 Uh-huh.
00:42:58.000 I didn't even have to buy it.
00:42:59.000 They just don't give them to me, huh?
00:43:01.000 Give us our $15 off each one when you're done.
00:43:04.000 For the audience out there, drugs on consignment basically is like, he had such a good reputation that he was able to get rid of the product and pay them back, where...
00:43:10.000 They would front him to drugs up front.
00:43:12.000 And he was able to go ahead, do what he needed to do, and then all he had to do was, you're just responsible for paying 15 per kilo back.
00:43:17.000 No money down.
00:43:18.000 No money down.
00:43:19.000 Which in the drug game, you gotta be somebody to be able to get kilos on consignment. 1.00
00:43:24.000 So, damn! 1.00
00:43:26.000 Bro, what the fuck? 1.00
00:43:27.000 Three to five days you were getting that many kilos. 1.00
00:43:29.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:43:29.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:43:31.000 Because I had the whole Bay Area. 0.99
00:43:33.000 Okay.
00:43:33.000 So I was a shot caller for the whole Bay Area.
00:43:36.000 I'd go to Frisco, get him some, Oakland, and so I'd make my rounds.
00:43:40.000 Did you ever get caught?
00:43:42.000 Yeah, I went back three times.
00:43:45.000 I got called every time.
00:43:47.000 I mean, now I'm going to use some Fed terms here.
00:43:50.000 You're basically a regional distributor.
00:43:51.000 If you're getting that much cocaine, and you're getting it pure, I'm assuming, straight from the board.
00:43:55.000 They're driving it probably from San Diego.
00:43:57.000 With the Mercedes-Benz stamp on it every time.
00:44:00.000 Oh, wow.
00:44:01.000 Real quick for the audience.
00:44:02.000 If you're getting kilos with a stamp on it, that means it's coming straight from the cartel.
00:44:06.000 And that typically means that that's their stamp of, like, this is pure.
00:44:11.000 Because in Mexico, they don't step on it.
00:44:12.000 They give it to you 100% pure. 0.99
00:44:13.000 You do what the fuck you're going to do with it once you get it to the States. 0.98
00:44:15.000 Okay. 0.99
00:44:16.000 So you being in North Cali, yeah, you're a regional distributor.
00:44:20.000 So you probably had all of Alameda County, right?
00:44:24.000 San Fran, Oakland, all that.
00:44:26.000 All the way up to Sacramento.
00:44:28.000 How many guys do you have working under you at this point?
00:44:30.000 Bro, you gotta think, Kumi had thousands.
00:44:34.000 So I had about, me personally, I was dealing with about a hundred guys, but they would disperse it.
00:44:41.000 So you get the three or five keys every three or five days.
00:44:44.000 What was the first thing you were doing once you get the product?
00:44:46.000 Oh, I'd bust it down, cook it.
00:44:48.000 I dry cooked it, though.
00:44:50.000 Yeah, my boy.
00:44:51.000 You and your boy, you would cook it.
00:44:53.000 You'd put it up in the little bag.
00:44:54.000 Dude, that must have taken a lot of time.
00:44:56.000 Oh, it did. 1.00
00:44:57.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:44:57.000 Well, and I didn't last long. 1.00
00:45:00.000 So I believe...
00:45:02.000 Because you didn't trust nobody?
00:45:02.000 Is that why you did it yourself?
00:45:04.000 Of course.
00:45:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:45:06.000 Ultimately, I've always been a loner.
00:45:08.000 Okay.
00:45:09.000 Ultimately, yeah.
00:45:10.000 I did robberies by myself.
00:45:12.000 I just did everything by myself.
00:45:14.000 YouTube, I used to do that by myself.
00:45:17.000 Film myself, edit, everything.
00:45:19.000 So yeah. 0.99
00:45:20.000 That's fucking crazy that you did that. 0.99
00:45:21.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:45:22.000 Like the fact that you would get the product that much, break it down yourself, cook it yourself, and just have one helper.
00:45:28.000 Yeah.
00:45:29.000 And then you would basically give it to your guys ready to go packaged.
00:45:32.000 Exactly.
00:45:33.000 And that's...
00:45:34.000 I was my most violent during this time as well.
00:45:37.000 Of course, yeah.
00:45:38.000 Because I dispersed it to these guys and they come up with these excuses.
00:45:42.000 And, you know, I got to pay somebody that $15,000.
00:45:44.000 And you got to pay the Mexicans. 1.00
00:45:45.000 You got to direct connect.
00:45:46.000 Exactly.
00:45:47.000 So it wasn't worth it.
00:45:50.000 You know, I seen Scarface like everybody else thinking, oh, I got some kilos.
00:45:54.000 I'm going to get rich.
00:45:55.000 So how much were you making at this point now?
00:45:58.000 Like a month?
00:45:59.000 Because if you're getting...
00:46:00.000 $20,000?
00:46:01.000 $25,000?
00:46:01.000 He's got to be making way more.
00:46:02.000 To be honest, I didn't even see the money.
00:46:05.000 Really?
00:46:06.000 Well, because I'm making it, but I got cars with rims, music, dudes talking about, oh, I'm short 5,000.
00:46:17.000 I'm like, bro, this ain't like the movie Scarface. 0.98
00:46:21.000 I ain't making shit. 0.98
00:46:23.000 Really? 1.00
00:46:24.000 This is blackface. 0.99
00:46:25.000 Exactly.
00:46:26.000 Literally. 1.00
00:46:27.000 So, damn. 1.00
00:46:28.000 So, you were... 1.00
00:46:29.000 Because you're getting every three to five days.
00:46:32.000 You said you're getting three to five.
00:46:34.000 You're getting like over $50,000 worth of product.
00:46:36.000 Oh, yeah.
00:46:37.000 Right?
00:46:37.000 So you're responsible for that.
00:46:38.000 I mean, a month, you're responsible for paying probably $300,000 back.
00:46:42.000 If you're getting them every three to five days, $50,000, I mean, roughly.
00:46:45.000 Five to 15...
00:46:46.000 Nah, about 75k.
00:46:48.000 A month you were responsible for paying back.
00:46:50.000 A week.
00:46:51.000 75k a week.
00:46:52.000 Okay.
00:46:52.000 Uh-huh.
00:46:53.000 So that's 150 roughly?
00:46:54.000 Yeah.
00:46:54.000 And then, yeah, 300 a month.
00:46:56.000 Uh-huh.
00:46:56.000 300k a month.
00:46:57.000 That shit didn't last long. 1.00
00:46:58.000 Okay. 1.00
00:46:58.000 It was like they had a tracking device in me. 1.00
00:47:00.000 I didn't last three, four months doing that.
00:47:04.000 In that position?
00:47:05.000 Yeah.
00:47:05.000 Like, when you got back out the second time, like, did you just immediately start doing this kilo-level stuff?
00:47:10.000 Yeah.
00:47:10.000 Or did you, like, slow...
00:47:11.000 Uh-huh.
00:47:12.000 Right...
00:47:12.000 Oh, wow.
00:47:13.000 Yeah.
00:47:13.000 I had to super...
00:47:14.000 So when I caught that case...
00:47:17.000 When I went in, I got a whole big connection.
00:47:20.000 Okay, alright.
00:47:21.000 That's what I was going to ask next. 0.83
00:47:22.000 How the hell did you...
00:47:23.000 For the audience to understand, bro, if you're getting kilos on consignment, you appear with a stamp on it, you have a direct connection to Mexico. 0.66
00:47:33.000 You're not getting that off of...
00:47:35.000 So you met someone in prison then?
00:47:36.000 Yeah.
00:47:37.000 Well, I was the shot caller of my gang, so they already had it tied in with the North Daniels. 0.91
00:47:44.000 Because, you know, in Northern California, blacks and Mexicans run together.
00:47:50.000 It's not like Southern California where you got Serenios and they're against blacks.
00:47:55.000 So it is different in Northern California.
00:47:58.000 Gotcha.
00:47:59.000 So you're getting stuff, so you're only able to pay back your people and make a little bit of money on the side, but it was headaches, money getting lost.
00:48:07.000 Yeah, it was terrible.
00:48:09.000 And you got caught.
00:48:10.000 Who, I mean, at this point, if you're doing that much, bro, you had to have been on the Fed's radar.
00:48:14.000 Who picked you up when you got arrested for this?
00:48:16.000 So it was the Oakland police.
00:48:17.000 I was in on my mother's street.
00:48:20.000 And guess what they put on me?
00:48:23.000 Third player.
00:48:24.000 You ever heard of that?
00:48:26.000 No.
00:48:26.000 What's that?
00:48:27.000 What does that mean?
00:48:28.000 A three-strike rule?
00:48:29.000 No.
00:48:29.000 They called me to...
00:48:30.000 They put two of these cases on me.
00:48:32.000 Same police.
00:48:33.000 They said, I'm just standing out there and a dope fiend come up and I just look at my boy and be like, server.
00:48:43.000 So they called it a third player.
00:48:47.000 And so, yeah, that's why I went the second time to prison for that.
00:48:52.000 How much did they, so did they get you, like, what did they actually get you on?
00:48:55.000 Like, we know that you were dealing with kills, but like, did they get you on conspiracy?
00:48:57.000 Did they get you on some...
00:48:58.000 Right, it's a conspiracy.
00:48:59.000 So they never got you a product.
00:49:00.000 No.
00:49:01.000 Uh-uh.
00:49:01.000 They just...
00:49:02.000 Yeah, well.
00:49:03.000 Uh-huh.
00:49:04.000 So they call it third player. 1.00
00:49:06.000 Someone fucking snitched. 0.99
00:49:07.000 That's how we... 0.99
00:49:08.000 Well, no.
00:49:08.000 They just wanted me off the street.
00:49:10.000 Yeah.
00:49:11.000 So Oklahoma Police was dirty just when they had the rioters.
00:49:14.000 And so I had a law...
00:49:16.000 I ended up having a lawsuit on Oklahoma Police because they whooped me a couple of times or whatever.
00:49:20.000 Uh-huh.
00:49:21.000 And, yeah, they would just...
00:49:23.000 They was on me.
00:49:24.000 They had my number.
00:49:26.000 Okay.
00:49:27.000 You don't think anyone snitched on you, though, for them to get you on conspiracy?
00:49:29.000 No.
00:49:30.000 No, because that's the little game they was running.
00:49:33.000 They saw me tell somebody to sell dope. 1.00
00:49:37.000 Okay, so like a detective testified and said that shit. 1.00
00:49:40.000 Right, exactly. 1.00
00:49:42.000 So then you went in the second time.
00:49:44.000 How long did you go in for that one?
00:49:46.000 So they gave me a parole and probation violation, so I ended up doing 16 months on that case.
00:49:55.000 And then got out, said I never sell dope again, started pimping.
00:49:59.000 Okay.
00:49:59.000 What year is this now that you're out?
00:50:01.000 This is 2002?
00:50:02.000 So this is 2003, the third time.
00:50:05.000 Okay.
00:50:05.000 When I got out, called myself a pimp.
00:50:07.000 I was still stripping and pimping. 0.79
00:50:10.000 I had personal training. 0.96
00:50:12.000 So you were like a legit pimp, right? 0.65
00:50:14.000 Yeah.
00:50:14.000 I did it for two years.
00:50:15.000 Wasn't no money in it.
00:50:18.000 Yeah, so let's talk about that real quick.
00:50:20.000 People tend to think that like, oh my god, everyone's getting human trafficked.
00:50:25.000 But the reality is a lot of times it's just prostitutes and pimps, man.
00:50:27.000 And it's an angry prostitute that didn't get paid or she had a fight with her pimp. 1.00
00:50:31.000 She's like, I'm being human trafficked.
00:50:32.000 And then you call the police and they're like, never mind, I love him.
00:50:34.000 So it's like a lot of the times these big human trafficking rings that they bust are simply just prostitution rings.
00:50:39.000 There's a lot of pimps in Miami too, though.
00:50:40.000 Yeah, quite a few.
00:50:42.000 I guess, what was it like transitioning from drugs to the pimp game?
00:50:49.000 What did you like about it, dislike about it?
00:50:50.000 So I liked that I'd have to ride around with kilos in the trunk.
00:50:55.000 Yeah, that's scary.
00:50:56.000 Take a hundred year chance.
00:50:59.000 Thank God that DEA never caught you or anything, bro.
00:51:02.000 Yeah, I know.
00:51:02.000 Dealing kilos?
00:51:03.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:51:03.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00
00:51:04.000 So yeah, it was a headache though, you know, having all those women, because I wasn't a natural talker. 1.00
00:51:14.000 I didn't like to talk unless I had to.
00:51:16.000 So when I got into pimpin', I had to talk just sporadically, even when I didn't want to have to.
00:51:22.000 Daddy, what's this, that?
00:51:23.000 I just had to make up something, you know. 1.00
00:51:26.000 Listen, you dumb hoe! 1.00
00:51:28.000 It's this! 1.00
00:51:29.000 XYZ! Now shut up and give up! 1.00
00:51:37.000 So you had to do a lot of that. 0.99
00:51:39.000 So I mean, it was something different.
00:51:43.000 It just wasn't enough money for me.
00:51:45.000 You know, you got to manage getting a hotel, getting their nails done, clothes, risk your life.
00:51:51.000 My first time pipping.
00:51:53.000 Oh yeah, because you're responsible for protecting them.
00:51:54.000 Exactly.
00:51:55.000 So you the Uber driver, you the security, everything.
00:51:58.000 My first night having my first hoe, she called me up like, uh, this dude about to put me in the van. 1.00
00:52:05.000 You know, we in Oakland.
00:52:07.000 Like, about to kidnap me.
00:52:08.000 And he had her.
00:52:10.000 So I pulled up.
00:52:11.000 Exactly.
00:52:13.000 That's just how I did.
00:52:14.000 I pulled up, and the Lexus LS400, hey, let my hoe go. 1.00
00:52:19.000 He had a big black nigga, too, about 6'7". 1.00
00:52:22.000 He had the hoe by the wrist, and she looking like, you gonna help me? 1.00
00:52:26.000 So I just whipped out the 40 cal, like, bro, let my hoe go. 1.00
00:52:30.000 And he was like, next time this hoe Google, I'ma hide the hoe. 1.00
00:52:34.000 I'm like, I'm about to go to prison.
00:52:37.000 For this broad, I don't even know.
00:52:40.000 What was the transaction supposed to be even worth that?
00:52:44.000 100 bucks?
00:52:45.000 50 bucks?
00:52:45.000 No, so what happened is she was staring at him.
00:52:49.000 Google out.
00:52:50.000 Next time you hold Google out, I'm going to hide the hoe. 1.00
00:52:53.000 So she was just looking and he walked up on her and she looked him in the eyes.
00:52:58.000 Okay.
00:52:59.000 And then a pimp take that as...
00:53:01.000 Oh, so they weren't even trying to hook up.
00:53:04.000 He just didn't like the way she stared at him.
00:53:06.000 Right.
00:53:06.000 Because she was on the street.
00:53:07.000 Uh-huh.
00:53:09.000 Yeah.
00:53:09.000 Wait, so he was a pimp too?
00:53:10.000 Yeah. 0.95
00:53:11.000 Gorilla pimp.
00:53:13.000 He had a van down the street and everything, just throwing holes in it.
00:53:16.000 Did that create problems for you, like, I guess in the future, that now you had this other pimp here that you had pulled a gun out on?
00:53:23.000 Nah.
00:53:24.000 Because I told him...
00:53:27.000 I name-dropped my gang.
00:53:29.000 Okay.
00:53:29.000 I'm like, man, I'm going to call me 415, let my hoe go.
00:53:32.000 And he's like, all right, I'm going to let her go this time.
00:53:34.000 Next time the hoe look at me, I'm going to have her. 1.00
00:53:36.000 Gotcha.
00:53:36.000 And I'm like, first day.
00:53:39.000 And I'm like, I'm about to risk my life for this chick I don't really even know.
00:53:44.000 And it was just, it made me.
00:53:45.000 So I started telling people the story that the hoe's the one that went in. 1.00
00:53:51.000 She got security. 0.97
00:53:53.000 A dummy like me about to protect her life. 0.99
00:53:56.000 About to bail her out. 1.00
00:53:57.000 She go to jail. 0.99
00:53:58.000 Her Uber driver giving her money.
00:54:01.000 And she tucking money. 0.98
00:54:02.000 You don't even know how much she really making.
00:54:05.000 They winning.
00:54:07.000 It ain't the guy's fault.
00:54:08.000 Unless you beating a woman or something like that.
00:54:11.000 The hoes win until they get old. 1.00
00:54:13.000 How long were you doing this for, where you experimented with the pimp game?
00:54:18.000 Two years. 1.00
00:54:19.000 Oh shit. 0.99
00:54:20.000 How much were you making roughly a month? 1.00
00:54:22.000 Was it like weight?
00:54:23.000 Profiting.
00:54:24.000 Yeah.
00:54:24.000 We could go gross and then profiting.
00:54:26.000 So you figure I was only profiting.
00:54:28.000 So if a hoe bring me back $500 a night, I'm putting at least $350 back in tour. 1.00
00:54:35.000 Hotel room, clothes, food.
00:54:38.000 How many girls did you have working for you? 1.00
00:54:39.000 The most I ever had was five at one time.
00:54:42.000 That's got to be a headache.
00:54:43.000 Oh, I stayed with a headache.
00:54:45.000 So you figure out of that five, I was only making profit maybe $150, $200?
00:54:50.000 Yeah.
00:54:51.000 Per girl.
00:54:52.000 Right.
00:54:53.000 And that is nothing.
00:54:54.000 A month.
00:54:55.000 Yeah.
00:54:55.000 Oh.
00:54:56.000 After putting into the $350 or whatever for their room and board, their clothes, their food, and all that.
00:55:04.000 So you're making like $1K a month?
00:55:06.000 No, so that'd be a day when I had five.
00:55:09.000 Oh, okay, okay, okay.
00:55:10.000 So you were making how much a month then would you say at this point?
00:55:14.000 Grossing and then you could say profiting.
00:55:16.000 Yeah, maybe about 25, 30.
00:55:19.000 Okay. 1.00
00:55:19.000 But that shit going so fast, bro. 1.00
00:55:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:55:22.000 So you're only profiting maybe 10? 1.00
00:55:24.000 Maybe 10 profiting?
00:55:26.000 Yeah, if that.
00:55:28.000 You know what's crazy?
00:55:29.000 OnlyFab's managers now make thousands of dollars, millions, without the risk and danger.
00:55:34.000 Not even half that much work.
00:55:35.000 Because you're right.
00:55:36.000 They're in the crib on a computer just texting.
00:55:38.000 Because what you mentioned, you're making $20K, but you're really profiting $10K, but that doesn't account for all the hours that you're working.
00:55:46.000 Because you're right.
00:55:47.000 You're driving them around.
00:55:48.000 Uber isn't a thing. 0.99
00:55:49.000 It's the fucking early 2000s. 0.98
00:55:50.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:55:51.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:55:52.000 You're housing them, feeding them, all this other shit. 0.99
00:55:54.000 Did you keep them all in one house? 1.00
00:55:56.000 Hotels.
00:55:57.000 So each woman had their own hotel room. 1.00
00:56:00.000 Oh, wow.
00:56:01.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:56:01.000 You ain't hardly making no bread.
00:56:03.000 You're putting it back into her.
00:56:05.000 Because you can't put them bras together. 0.99
00:56:07.000 Some of them crackheads, heroin. 0.92
00:56:09.000 All of them was dopeheads.
00:56:11.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:56:11.000 Can we see your pimp slap hand? 0.96
00:56:14.000 What? 0.96
00:56:14.000 Backhand. 0.96
00:56:15.000 What?
00:56:15.000 Okay!
00:56:23.000 I would never do that.
00:56:28.000 So the negative, I guess, is you made way less money.
00:56:30.000 Would you say it was riskier and more dangerous than the joke game?
00:56:33.000 It was.
00:56:33.000 Because I didn't like being out at night.
00:56:36.000 And I had to be out at night.
00:56:38.000 And when I started pimping, old school pimps call it tennis shoe pimping.
00:56:44.000 We gotta sometimes just sit in the car, watch, make sure nobody kidnap.
00:56:50.000 Because in Oakland, they guerrilla pimping.
00:56:52.000 They kidnapping your bros.
00:56:53.000 So you gotta be out there, make sure nobody kidnap them and riding around.
00:56:59.000 So the drug game was way better, in your opinion?
00:57:01.000 Yeah.
00:57:02.000 No, the pimp game was more fun because you could go to a, you know, play pool down the street or, you know, you ain't got a rider.
00:57:13.000 Bro, I was extreme with everything.
00:57:15.000 So when I was in the drug game, I have a...
00:57:18.000 Uzi, which I already signed a thing that would never get caught with a gun again.
00:57:24.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:57:24.000 So if I got caught...
00:57:25.000 You're coming at this point.
00:57:26.000 Exactly.
00:57:27.000 Yeah.
00:57:27.000 So I'm riding around with Uzis and guns, and bro, it was just...
00:57:31.000 And I was so dumb, I have a Lexus or something shiny with... 0.70
00:57:37.000 24s. 0.97
00:57:38.000 Yeah.
00:57:38.000 Riding around with a gun and doping that.
00:57:40.000 Yep.
00:57:41.000 And you mentioned that this is where you were getting really violent.
00:57:44.000 Yeah.
00:57:45.000 So were you more violent when you were doing the drug game or the pimp game?
00:57:48.000 Oh, no, not the pimp. 0.87
00:57:49.000 I was too swole to be smacking up hoes. 1.00
00:57:52.000 Okay. 0.89
00:57:53.000 I'd be under a prison.
00:57:54.000 Yeah.
00:57:55.000 So the drug game is like, because these dudes wouldn't pay you back.
00:57:57.000 Right. 0.99
00:57:57.000 So you would be fucking them up. 0.99
00:57:58.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:57:59.000 And it was my own.
00:58:10.000 No.
00:58:16.000 No.
00:58:22.000 So I called up my homie.
00:58:24.000 It got slow.
00:58:25.000 I called up my homie and asked him, he was in the heroin game, so I got some heroin from him.
00:58:32.000 I didn't know what I was doing with no heroin.
00:58:35.000 Completely different drug class.
00:58:36.000 Yeah, well, and I got snitched on that I had that and a gun on me, and I got in a high-speed chase with the Oakland police.
00:58:45.000 And so I got away.
00:58:48.000 I had the whole Oakland police force on me.
00:58:51.000 And so I got away.
00:58:52.000 They knew it was me.
00:58:53.000 It was the same police that put the past case on me.
00:58:56.000 The conspiracy drug case?
00:58:58.000 Yeah.
00:58:58.000 Okay.
00:58:59.000 Same police.
00:58:59.000 I dealt three cases with him, with his crew.
00:59:04.000 Some probably narcotics group in the PD. Yeah.
00:59:08.000 Yeah.
00:59:08.000 And so...
00:59:10.000 Got away.
00:59:10.000 They knew it was me.
00:59:11.000 They put a tracking device in the car.
00:59:13.000 My mom went and got the car.
00:59:15.000 Put it up for three months.
00:59:17.000 The day I took that car out of storage.
00:59:19.000 This is 2006.
00:59:21.000 You know what's funny?
00:59:23.000 They didn't need a warrant before to put a tracker in your car.
00:59:26.000 Then a case came out, U.S. versus Jones, and they switched it where you needed to get a search warrant to put a tracker in a car.
00:59:31.000 So they put that tracker in your car without a warrant back then.
00:59:35.000 Yeah.
00:59:36.000 Huge case law.
00:59:38.000 Yeah, so they put a track device in.
00:59:40.000 As soon as I took that car out of storage, they got me that day.
00:59:44.000 So this is 06.
00:59:46.000 So you do the pimp game.
00:59:49.000 Things get slow.
00:59:50.000 Get a key of heroin.
00:59:52.000 A little heroin.
00:59:53.000 It wasn't a key.
00:59:54.000 Yeah.
00:59:54.000 Okay.
00:59:55.000 They chase you down.
00:59:57.000 They're able to figure out.
00:59:58.000 They knew who you were.
00:59:59.000 Put a track in the car.
01:00:00.000 Catch you again.
01:00:01.000 So you went down the second time for, I'm assuming, heroin?
01:00:03.000 No, this is the fourth.
01:00:05.000 This is my fourth and last time.
01:00:07.000 Robbery, drugs, and then what was the third time you went there?
01:00:09.000 Robbery, drugs, drugs again, and then high speed chase.
01:00:14.000 Okay, so you went in for the heroin, and then they caught you again for the chase.
01:00:19.000 No, so the heroin and the high-speed chaser was the same case.
01:00:22.000 Uh-huh.
01:00:23.000 Okay.
01:00:23.000 And gun.
01:00:25.000 Okay.
01:00:25.000 So what happened was, yeah, I get in the high-speed chaser, I throw the heroin out the window as I'm on the freeway.
01:00:32.000 They didn't find that, and I got away.
01:00:34.000 I couldn't get the gun out the hider spot.
01:00:36.000 Gotcha.
01:00:37.000 So when they apprehended the car, they got the gun.
01:00:40.000 Gotcha.
01:00:41.000 So I had my mother go get the car, and they let her have it and put it up in storage.
01:00:47.000 And the day, three months later, I got it out, they got on me.
01:00:50.000 Okay, and you got hit with the gun and the drugs?
01:00:52.000 No.
01:00:53.000 The drugs was gone.
01:00:54.000 They didn't find that.
01:00:55.000 Okay, just the gun.
01:00:56.000 High-speed chase.
01:00:57.000 And the gun.
01:00:57.000 Right.
01:00:58.000 I'm curious to know, when you sold drugs, who were your customers?
01:01:01.000 My customers were my own gang members.
01:01:05.000 I would give them sacks to sell.
01:01:08.000 That's who my customers were.
01:01:10.000 Who did they sell to? 0.72
01:01:11.000 Like niggas? 1.00
01:01:12.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.95
01:01:12.000 Dope fiends, like in San Francisco. 0.95
01:01:14.000 So he's the wholesaler?
01:01:15.000 He gets it?
01:01:16.000 And then he gives it to his people, and it's their job to distribute it and pay them back.
01:01:20.000 They had their own fiends that they would sell to, but he would basically sell it to them.
01:01:23.000 You need to give me back five.
01:01:26.000 I'm curious who it was, like white people, black people, Hispanics?
01:01:29.000 Oh, all nationalities.
01:01:30.000 Oh, everybody.
01:01:30.000 Yeah, we're in the Bay Area.
01:01:31.000 It's a melting pot. 0.97
01:01:32.000 Crack is going to be mostly black. 1.00
01:01:35.000 Uh-huh. 0.53
01:01:36.000 So, okay, so you went in the third time, right, for the gun and the high-speed chase.
01:01:42.000 That's the fourth.
01:01:43.000 Fourth time.
01:01:44.000 Uh-huh.
01:01:44.000 Counting up the robbery.
01:01:45.000 Robbery.
01:01:45.000 Robbery.
01:01:46.000 Drugs.
01:01:46.000 Dope again.
01:01:47.000 Dope again, and then heroin and the chase.
01:01:50.000 Uh-huh.
01:01:50.000 So that's fourth.
01:01:51.000 We didn't get to talk about the dope again then, the third one.
01:01:54.000 I mean, kind of the same thing.
01:01:56.000 What was it?
01:01:56.000 Yeah, it was the same police, same thing.
01:01:59.000 Okay, just a random drug charge?
01:02:01.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:02:01.000 And then how long did you do for that third time?
01:02:03.000 Every time was like a year.
01:02:05.000 Okay.
01:02:06.000 Violation, uh-huh.
01:02:07.000 Okay. 1.00
01:02:07.000 Shit. 1.00
01:02:09.000 Alright, and then after that, that's the last time you got arrested. 1.00
01:02:12.000 Now you're a changed man.
01:02:13.000 You got out drugged the fourth time, hopefully.
01:02:15.000 Yeah, so you got out drugged the fourth time of what year?
01:02:17.000 2000?
01:02:18.000 You said seven, right?
01:02:19.000 At this point?
01:02:19.000 Yeah.
01:02:20.000 End of 2006, yeah, going into 2007.
01:02:23.000 So cumulative time in prison, what are we thinking out here?
01:02:26.000 11 years, cumulative between your four different bids.
01:02:28.000 Yeah.
01:02:29.000 You get out in 2007, and then what happened?
01:02:32.000 And then we talked about, yeah, you had done some dancing. 1.00
01:02:34.000 You were like, fuck this shit, though. 1.00
01:02:35.000 I'm not going to fucking do the drug game anymore. 1.00
01:02:39.000 You're bodybuilding. 0.99
01:02:39.000 That's where we left off. 0.99
01:02:40.000 Right.
01:02:40.000 So 2007, I got out and got in a barbershop with one of my friends.
01:02:47.000 Because I'm a barber as well. 0.99
01:02:48.000 Damn, man, you're the jack of all trades, bro. 0.99
01:02:50.000 You do everything, bro. 1.00
01:02:51.000 I get down.
01:02:52.000 Cali of all trades.
01:02:54.000 So I went in the barbershop.
01:02:56.000 That was going good.
01:02:59.000 Some guys run up in there after about nine months of me being in there because me and my best friend that was in the barbershop with me, we had big cars on big rims, had chicks running in and out. 0.97
01:03:15.000 And guys was getting jealous.
01:03:16.000 Ran up in there, laid everybody down.
01:03:19.000 And I was in the back.
01:03:22.000 I seen them coming in and went in the back.
01:03:24.000 And then when they was robbing my boys, I was like, I can't let them just get killed or something like that.
01:03:31.000 So I came out.
01:03:32.000 They laid us down.
01:03:34.000 And I couldn't deal with it.
01:03:36.000 So I went on the rampage.
01:03:39.000 Well, and so that brought me back into the streets.
01:03:43.000 Wait, did they like escape and you said, I'm going to get revenge?
01:03:45.000 Okay, so they robbed you all.
01:03:46.000 How much did they steal?
01:03:48.000 Hardly nothing.
01:03:49.000 A few hundred bucks.
01:03:50.000 But it was a principle to me.
01:03:51.000 I'm like, I'm Komi.
01:03:53.000 These niggas didn't know who I am. 1.00
01:03:55.000 And so I went on one, bro.
01:03:58.000 And, uh, you know, and, uh, yeah, so I, from there I started, uh, selling ecstasy and, uh, cause I went, it got bad.
01:04:09.000 You know what I mean?
01:04:10.000 Did you ever find the guys that robbed you?
01:04:12.000 Yeah, people got shot up, and my friends got shot, and it was a big ordeal.
01:04:18.000 So that brought you back to the drug game, that barbershop robbery.
01:04:24.000 Right, yeah, yeah, because that was my hustle.
01:04:26.000 I was making good money.
01:04:27.000 I was making five to six grand a month, didn't have to deal with no headaches, and it was good.
01:04:33.000 And that messed me up.
01:04:35.000 Barbershops get robbed a lot because it's a cash business.
01:04:37.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:04:38.000 Luckily, thank God that day, they didn't get that much.
01:04:40.000 Yeah, well.
01:04:41.000 So, Kelly, back in the day, you were huge.
01:04:44.000 Huge.
01:04:45.000 What was that like?
01:04:46.000 Was it just eating good food?
01:04:47.000 Was it other stuff?
01:04:49.000 What was that like?
01:04:50.000 So, I got out of prison.
01:04:51.000 I was wearing about 215.
01:04:54.000 Swole, natural.
01:04:55.000 And so...
01:04:58.000 From a kid, I started working out at about 15 because the coaches said I was too small in football.
01:05:08.000 So I got swole fast.
01:05:09.000 In 90 days, I was jacked from 98 pounds to 140.
01:05:14.000 Wow.
01:05:14.000 And so I just was swole after that.
01:05:18.000 It just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and went to prison, got bigger, got out 215, swole, and It was just, I was used to it at that point in my life, you know what I mean? 0.94
01:05:33.000 And so once I started competing in bodybuilding, it just went to another level when I added in juice.
01:05:39.000 And I was a late bloomer.
01:05:40.000 I didn't start until I was 34.
01:05:42.000 I didn't know about steroids until I was 34.
01:05:45.000 And that's where the story, everybody be like, oh, he lied.
01:05:49.000 No, I was an ex-con.
01:05:51.000 I never was able to tell people I was on illegal drugs. 1.00
01:05:57.000 Because you're on probation and shit. 1.00
01:05:59.000 And you gotta piss all the time. 0.99
01:06:00.000 But people act like I lied to them because I didn't tell them.
01:06:04.000 And, you know, I always knew that when the opportunity presented itself and I need to tell people I would, and that's what happened.
01:06:12.000 That's when I became transparent.
01:06:14.000 What year was that that you came out and was transparent about it?
01:06:19.000 He's a trans-parent.
01:06:20.000 Come on, man.
01:06:24.000 When did you come out and let people know?
01:06:28.000 So it actually happened in 2019, I want to say, because I did IVF. So everybody was questioning why I lost my size, because I wasn't on steroids for about almost two years.
01:06:42.000 So you quit in 2017?
01:06:44.000 Yeah, because I had to get my sperm back up. 1.00
01:06:46.000 My sperm went to zero and I wanted to have kids.
01:06:48.000 Gotcha. 0.94
01:06:49.000 Really?
01:06:49.000 So, yeah.
01:06:50.000 I got a video called Why I Lost My Size that went viral.
01:06:54.000 It got like 10 million views.
01:06:56.000 And so I was off.
01:06:57.000 My weight always fluctuated because I thought I was doing it right.
01:07:01.000 I would get off three, four months out of a year.
01:07:04.000 And so...
01:07:06.000 So, yeah, I got off for that time period.
01:07:09.000 What gear were you using, I guess, throughout those years?
01:07:13.000 Oh, you figured Tess, Trin, Diana Ball, Anadrol, tried insulin before, which almost killed me before.
01:07:25.000 So, yeah, I thought I was doing it right, and I felt I was a late bloomer.
01:07:28.000 So you had to catch up?
01:07:30.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:07:31.000 Because you met Jay Cutler, and you were like, fuck. 1.00
01:07:33.000 You saw, like, this is what an Olympian champion looks like. 1.00
01:07:35.000 Yeah.
01:07:36.000 And I didn't know what I was doing.
01:07:38.000 If I could turn back the hands of time, I would have got one of the professional coaches.
01:07:42.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard from other people that have done these competitions, they're all using steroids at some point.
01:07:48.000 All of them.
01:07:49.000 Oh, without a doubt.
01:07:49.000 Nobody's using...
01:07:50.000 You can't get an IFBB Pro card, or even a lot of these regular leagues, without being...
01:07:55.000 So it's well accepted by most people you're going to do that.
01:07:57.000 100%.
01:07:57.000 Oh, without a doubt.
01:07:59.000 It's kind of like an unspoken thing.
01:08:00.000 I remember like in YouTube, like it was like a, like, you know, people would say, Natty, you're not blah, blah.
01:08:04.000 Like coming out and saying, yeah, I'm not Natty was like a huge taboo in YouTube, bro, which we could talk about the fitness industry here in a second.
01:08:10.000 So just going back real quick, because I want to get the whole story. 1.00
01:08:13.000 So you come out the second time, you get robbed at the barbershop, you're like, fuck this shit. 0.99
01:08:17.000 And then you start, you get back in the game and you said you were selling ecstasy. 1.00
01:08:20.000 Yeah, I was shipping ecstasy to Denver, making a boo-cool amount of money.
01:08:24.000 Why did you transition ecstasy?
01:08:26.000 So what happened was...
01:08:27.000 What year is this?
01:08:29.000 2008, 2009 now?
01:08:31.000 No, this is 2007.
01:08:33.000 2007, 2008.
01:08:35.000 It ran all the way until I moved to LA in 2010.
01:08:39.000 Oh, okay.
01:08:41.000 Yeah.
01:08:42.000 So yeah, two years.
01:08:44.000 So what happened was some youngsters told me when I was pimping that if I tried ecstasy, I'd be talking a lot.
01:08:52.000 Yeah.
01:08:52.000 And so I tried it.
01:08:54.000 Oh, because you hated talking to the girls. 0.63
01:08:55.000 Uh-huh.
01:08:56.000 And so I started popping ecstasy.
01:09:00.000 We can relate.
01:09:02.000 And so I started popping ecstasy and I got involved in that business.
01:09:08.000 And so I had a gang comrade of mine that moved to Denver, and he was like, man, start shipping it, we can eat.
01:09:16.000 And so that's what happened.
01:09:17.000 I would work out and just ship ecstasy.
01:09:20.000 Where were you getting your ecstasy?
01:09:21.000 Were you getting it from the Mexican X or...
01:09:23.000 No, I was getting my ex from, it's funny, it's one of my good friends I went to high school with, and he changed his name to Khali too now.
01:09:31.000 But I would get it from him, and then I got an Asian connection.
01:09:35.000 White dude? 0.93
01:09:35.000 No, he was Filipino. 0.93
01:09:36.000 Okay.
01:09:37.000 Yeah, the ecstasy game is a bit different.
01:09:40.000 A lot of the time it comes from Canada.
01:09:43.000 It comes from Asia, whatever it may be.
01:09:46.000 So, your connect was a Philippines.
01:09:47.000 How much were you getting?
01:09:49.000 So, what I was doing, I was getting, every three days, I would get like $4,000 and ship them.
01:09:57.000 Every three days?
01:09:57.000 Well, and I would get a little, I would go to Walmart and get a radio and And put it in like two different...
01:10:06.000 I put 2,000 in each radio and ship them to Denver. 0.92
01:10:12.000 And so I had like six different fucking FedExes and UPS I would alternate so they wouldn't catch on. 0.91
01:10:24.000 So, every three to four days, you have 4,000 pills. 0.98
01:10:27.000 Uh huh.
01:10:27.000 How much were you paying for that?
01:10:29.000 So, I was only paying two grand.
01:10:31.000 I was getting them for two a pop.
01:10:34.000 2K for the 4,000 pills?
01:10:35.000 Uh huh, yeah. 0.99
01:10:36.000 And how much, bro, holy shit, how much were you making? 1.00
01:10:38.000 Probably killing it. 1.00
01:10:39.000 Yeah, I was killing it. 0.99
01:10:40.000 So, I would sell them to him each...
01:10:43.000 Your guy in Denver.
01:10:44.000 ...thousand, yeah.
01:10:45.000 So, each thousand, I was paying 2,000, he would give me five.
01:10:48.000 So, I was making three grand profit.
01:10:51.000 Okay.
01:10:51.000 Off each thousand.
01:10:53.000 Boat, they call them.
01:10:54.000 Each boat.
01:10:55.000 So each load you sent to Denver, you were making 3K profit?
01:10:58.000 Six.
01:10:59.000 Because I would send two at a time.
01:11:01.000 Okay.
01:11:02.000 Uh-huh. 1.00
01:11:03.000 Holy shit. 0.99
01:11:04.000 So how much were you making a month at this point? 1.00
01:11:06.000 I was eating, bro.
01:11:07.000 I was making at least, you figure 6, 12, 30.
01:11:11.000 I never even had it up to now.
01:11:14.000 I was making a minimum profit of 100K. A month?
01:11:18.000 Uh-huh. 0.99
01:11:19.000 When you were doing X-issue shit? 0.99
01:11:20.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:11:20.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:11:20.000 And at the time, you were still doing the bodybuilding, right? 0.99
01:11:23.000 Right.
01:11:24.000 Okay, so is that how you were able to fund it?
01:11:28.000 That's how I was able to fund it.
01:11:29.000 Because steroids aren't cheap, for those that are wondering.
01:11:31.000 It is cheap.
01:11:31.000 It's cheaper than supplements.
01:11:33.000 Where are you getting them?
01:11:35.000 Online.
01:11:36.000 You weren't getting them like pharmaceutical level?
01:11:38.000 Nah.
01:11:38.000 Oh, that's why.
01:11:39.000 Okay, okay.
01:11:39.000 I thought you were like...
01:11:40.000 Even then, it's cheap.
01:11:41.000 It was cheap.
01:11:42.000 Steroid is cheaper than a thing of protein powder.
01:11:46.000 Really?
01:11:46.000 Yeah, $45 for a bottle of test.
01:11:49.000 Shit. 1.00
01:11:49.000 A bottle of Tesco lasts you anywhere from five to ten weeks. 1.00
01:11:54.000 So you're competing in bodybuilding.
01:11:56.000 You're making $100,000 a month.
01:11:58.000 You're training all day. 1.00
01:12:01.000 I'm assuming you quit the barbershop shit at this point. 0.99
01:12:03.000 Oh yeah, no, I couldn't be in there. 0.99
01:12:05.000 I had to go back in.
01:12:07.000 So you're training what, two, three times a day?
01:12:09.000 Hell no, I ain't never trained no two, three times a day. 0.99
01:12:13.000 I'm being that bitch at the most. 0.99
01:12:15.000 Hour and a half, two hours a day. 0.99
01:12:17.000 Okay.
01:12:18.000 Six days.
01:12:18.000 Was I doing six or seven?
01:12:20.000 Six days a week.
01:12:21.000 I would take off Mondays.
01:12:23.000 So all this money, what were you doing with it?
01:12:27.000 Investing in bodybuilding.
01:12:29.000 Okay.
01:12:29.000 Uh-huh.
01:12:30.000 Yeah.
01:12:30.000 And then I moved to L.A. in 2010.
01:12:35.000 So you had a bunch of money saved at this point probably?
01:12:38.000 No, because what happened was before I moved to LA, me and my partner kind of fell out.
01:12:47.000 He sent some money, he got lost in the mix, so I started looking at him sideways, he looking at me sideways, so it shut down.
01:12:56.000 And the ecstasy got horrible.
01:13:00.000 At that time period. 0.99
01:13:01.000 Did people start dying and shit like that? 0.99
01:13:03.000 Well, no. 0.99
01:13:03.000 It would just start getting crumbly. 0.99
01:13:06.000 It wasn't what it used to be.
01:13:07.000 So he was testing it when I shipped it to him.
01:13:10.000 Like, oh, this is bad.
01:13:11.000 So I was getting bunk, bad batches. 1.00
01:13:15.000 Damn. 0.99
01:13:16.000 Uh-huh. 1.00
01:13:17.000 So that fucked with the money a lot. 0.90
01:13:18.000 Yeah.
01:13:18.000 So you were able to make this $100,000 a month for maybe a year or two maybe?
01:13:21.000 Yeah.
01:13:22.000 About a year and a half going on two years.
01:13:24.000 What'd you do with all the money?
01:13:26.000 Did you lose it?
01:13:27.000 Did you invest in it?
01:13:27.000 No.
01:13:27.000 I didn't know what he was doing.
01:13:30.000 I was just bodybuilding.
01:13:31.000 It was my life.
01:13:33.000 So it was all going to...
01:13:34.000 2009, I did five shows.
01:13:37.000 Okay. 0.98
01:13:38.000 I did my taxes, and my tax lady looked at me like, where did this fucking $175,000 go? 1.00
01:13:46.000 Bodybuilding. 0.99
01:13:46.000 Exactly. 0.99
01:13:48.000 Well, it is expensive.
01:13:49.000 Because I'll fly everywhere, hotels, and all, man.
01:13:51.000 Pull yourself up at the best places.
01:13:53.000 Yeah.
01:13:53.000 Do you have a coach at this point, too, probably?
01:13:55.000 No.
01:13:55.000 If I could turn back the hands of time, I would have got a coach.
01:13:58.000 Okay.
01:13:58.000 Yeah.
01:13:59.000 Because they would have made me do blood work and all that stuff.
01:14:02.000 So...
01:14:03.000 You're making $100,000 a month, shipping the ecstasy there, paying for your bodybuilding career, traveling all over the place, first class, and it's not cheap to enter into these competitions.
01:14:13.000 Exactly, yeah.
01:14:14.000 So, okay.
01:14:16.000 Oh yeah, that money dwindled.
01:14:17.000 By the time I moved to LA, I only had $50,000. 1.00
01:14:20.000 Shit. 0.99
01:14:23.000 And then this is where YouTube started, right? 1.00
01:14:26.000 Well, YouTube started right before then.
01:14:28.000 I did a few videos, a Muscle Up video went viral.
01:14:32.000 I was monetized when I moved to LA in 2010.
01:14:36.000 Okay, so you started YouTube stuff.
01:14:38.000 And I was only making $100, $200 a month off YouTube. 0.99
01:14:42.000 So that was like, you're like, what the fuck? 1.00
01:14:43.000 I'm making 100k on E. The fuck is this shit? 1.00
01:14:45.000 Exactly. 1.00
01:14:46.000 Then I moved to LA. I was barbering, personal training, and doing background acting work.
01:14:53.000 And so the acting started blowing up, and I never wanted to be an actor.
01:14:58.000 I just had me look at the TV one day.
01:15:00.000 I'm like, there ain't no super swole actors. 1.00
01:15:03.000 And so I went and signed up, and the next week I was working with Matthew McConaughey.
01:15:09.000 And that just blew up.
01:15:11.000 Yeah, it blew up.
01:15:12.000 What project did you do with him?
01:15:14.000 It was a music video with Jamie Johnson where he was the director and everything.
01:15:19.000 And so that put me on a map because I put it on my resume.
01:15:23.000 I just worked with him.
01:15:24.000 Oh, I blew up.
01:15:26.000 And I started doing Old Navy commercials, the Geico.
01:15:30.000 Old Spice?
01:15:31.000 No, I didn't do an Old Spice.
01:15:33.000 You did one commercial where you were like across...
01:15:36.000 Geico.
01:15:37.000 That was the Geico, right?
01:15:38.000 Yeah, directing traffic.
01:15:40.000 Yeah.
01:15:41.000 How much did they pay you for that?
01:15:43.000 So, they paid me over a span of two years, only 50k.
01:15:49.000 They said, back in the day, all the actors used to ask me that, and I'd tell them, they were like, you would have made like a half a million back in the day for that commercial, as much as it aired.
01:16:00.000 But internet watered it down.
01:16:03.000 The internet watered all acting down.
01:16:06.000 But I kept banging them out.
01:16:08.000 Kentucky Fried Chicken, Planet Fitness.
01:16:11.000 Did you have an agency that found these gigs for you?
01:16:13.000 Is that how it was?
01:16:14.000 So I did have an agent, but I was finding a lot of it myself on LA Casting.
01:16:20.000 I was submitting myself on LA Casting.
01:16:23.000 But I did have an agent.
01:16:25.000 I had a theatrical and commercial agent.
01:16:30.000 So what year are we in now, roughly?
01:16:31.000 Were we in 08, 09?
01:16:33.000 No, so we're in 2010, 2011.
01:16:36.000 So you're at the drug game for like two years.
01:16:37.000 Oh yeah, yeah.
01:16:37.000 You're acting now.
01:16:39.000 You're doing your YouTube.
01:16:40.000 Yeah.
01:16:40.000 You're still bodybuilding.
01:16:42.000 Uh-huh, yeah.
01:16:43.000 And you kind of are segwaying into this more show business road.
01:16:48.000 Right, yeah, yeah.
01:16:49.000 And so I'm looking at being a big-time actor or whatever, and so it's popping.
01:16:55.000 So what happened was...
01:16:57.000 Acting slowed up.
01:16:58.000 Rash from Strength Project contacted me for the second time in a year.
01:17:03.000 Said he wanted to do a documentary of me.
01:17:06.000 I was scared because I didn't want nobody to know my background in Hollywood.
01:17:12.000 So it got slowed. 1.00
01:17:14.000 I'm like, fuck it, man. 0.99
01:17:15.000 Let's do the documentary. 1.00
01:17:16.000 Did the documentary.
01:17:18.000 It blew up.
01:17:18.000 Yep.
01:17:19.000 On YouTube, too.
01:17:20.000 Yeah.
01:17:20.000 They put it on the front page of YouTube.
01:17:24.000 And what happened was, during that same time, I had an Old Navy commercial airing. 0.99
01:17:30.000 A guy commented on the Old Navy that I did gay porn. 0.99
01:17:36.000 So... 1.00
01:17:38.000 That's the worst.
01:17:39.000 Yeah, so it was weird.
01:17:43.000 I was already writing my book at this time.
01:17:45.000 Okay.
01:17:46.000 And so Old Navy contacted my agent and was like, if this happened, because you had to sign a contract, you haven't did no porn, nothing.
01:17:56.000 Really?
01:17:57.000 Really?
01:17:57.000 Okay.
01:17:58.000 Yeah.
01:17:58.000 For image reasons, I'm assuming.
01:17:59.000 Exactly.
01:18:00.000 Because, you know, it's a family-friendly, you know, commercial.
01:18:03.000 Old Navy.
01:18:04.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:18:05.000 So it came back that I didn't do gay porn, but I had modeling pictures up and I was a stripper. 0.98
01:18:17.000 Yeah. 0.96
01:18:18.000 And they was like, okay, that's fine. 0.99
01:18:20.000 So right then, I'm like, oh, I got to release my fucking book. 0.99
01:18:23.000 Because these people on the internet can say anything and people will believe it. 0.99
01:18:27.000 So I got a book publishing deal.
01:18:31.000 So I released my book.
01:18:33.000 And then within 90 days, I seen they was swindling me.
01:18:36.000 So I took my rights in my book and published it myself on Amazon.
01:18:42.000 And yeah, from there, everything started going up.
01:18:46.000 Life was, I never even dreamed of how life was going.
01:18:51.000 And so in 2016, I went through a divorce, moved to Vegas, had my supplement company.
01:18:59.000 It was booming, thriving.
01:19:00.000 Hypey mud, right?
01:19:01.000 Yeah.
01:19:01.000 Yeah, I remember that.
01:19:03.000 So it was thriving and I had to move to Vegas to get my money right because it was getting low.
01:19:09.000 In LA. Yeah, uh-huh.
01:19:11.000 And the acting that slowed up. 0.98
01:19:13.000 I just got, you know, acting, you just, you're like a slave, man.
01:19:17.000 You know, you, oh, I need a gig.
01:19:20.000 How am I going to make money? 1.00
01:19:21.000 And you got to kiss ass and all that. 0.99
01:19:24.000 So I just went the social media route. 1.00
01:19:27.000 And moved to Vegas.
01:19:28.000 Everything came back in order.
01:19:30.000 Got my money up, my credit.
01:19:33.000 2020, moved back with my twins.
01:19:36.000 I was able to get my sperm back up and have my twins. 0.62
01:19:40.000 And when Trump got in office...
01:19:44.000 Eating.
01:19:45.000 I was making like $200,000 a month when Trump got in.
01:19:49.000 In 2016, and you had your supplement company at this point too, right?
01:19:51.000 Yeah, but I was making that off Facebook and YouTube. 0.99
01:19:54.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:19:54.000 The supplement company, I was only making maybe $20,000 a month. 0.99
01:19:58.000 Okay, I got to ask you about this because every guy that I bring in, right, because I love bringing OG fitness influencers in, and I want to get your take on another question as well.
01:20:08.000 That run a supplement company, they almost always get out and ask them, why?
01:20:11.000 And they're like, bro, the profit margins aren't worth it. 0.99
01:20:13.000 It's a lot of fucking work. 1.00
01:20:14.000 It's a pain in the ass. 1.00
01:20:16.000 It's expensive to do. 0.99
01:20:17.000 Corporate boards, meetings.
01:20:20.000 A lot of them just leave the game. 1.00
01:20:23.000 What made you say, like, fuck this shit? 1.00
01:20:26.000 Oh, it was good. 1.00
01:20:28.000 I could still...
01:20:29.000 Well, I'm coming out with something else now.
01:20:30.000 Okay, so you're still in the game.
01:20:32.000 No, I'm not in it yet, but I'm coming with a drink, organic.
01:20:36.000 No, it was good.
01:20:38.000 You figure, bro, all you're spending is $4 on a bottle of pre-workout.
01:20:42.000 Mm-hmm.
01:20:44.000 $30, $40 you selling it for.
01:20:46.000 Yeah.
01:20:46.000 They saying that because their marketing wasn't up to par or whatever.
01:20:50.000 For me, I kept my calls down.
01:20:53.000 I only stayed with a pre-workout, a BCAA. Then I upgraded to a test booster and vitamins.
01:21:02.000 Is it protein that's the most competitive?
01:21:04.000 Oh yeah, protein.
01:21:04.000 You ain't making no money.
01:21:06.000 Okay.
01:21:06.000 And protein is poison.
01:21:07.000 The guys I asked all had their own proteins.
01:21:09.000 Yeah, that's poison.
01:21:11.000 I would never sell that to nobody.
01:21:13.000 Okay.
01:21:14.000 That's actual poison.
01:21:16.000 I would never sell that or creatine to people.
01:21:21.000 That's the most harmful stuff in my eyes.
01:21:24.000 Creatine and water protein.
01:21:26.000 So how long did you have hyphae mud before you...
01:21:29.000 Is it still available?
01:21:31.000 No, nine years.
01:21:32.000 You had it for nine years?
01:21:33.000 Yeah.
01:21:33.000 I just got rid of it when I had my health awakening.
01:21:37.000 Gotcha.
01:21:38.000 I'm like, I'm not going to take caffeine, so I'm not going to sell it to nobody.
01:21:41.000 Okay.
01:21:42.000 And so I could have sold the company for at least $2.5 to $5 million.
01:21:46.000 I just trashed it. 1.00
01:21:48.000 Shit. 0.99
01:21:49.000 Because you didn't even want to have anything for it. 1.00
01:21:52.000 Right, yeah, yeah.
01:21:52.000 I went on this health tip, and my business partners, they didn't want to sit down and figure out how to go the organic way, a natural way of doing things.
01:22:03.000 Cost more money to do it.
01:22:04.000 Right, of course.
01:22:05.000 And that's what they said, so I just trashed it.
01:22:08.000 So take us through what led to the health incident that made you kind of change your life completely around you.
01:22:15.000 Yeah, so I had 2021, I had a heart attack, massive heart attack, a widow maker, and when that happened, I'm like, I never thought, I thought, like I said, I was a late bloomer with the roid stuff.
01:22:31.000 I was cycling.
01:22:33.000 I was eating what I thought was healthy at the time, just white rice.
01:22:38.000 Top ramen and tuna.
01:22:40.000 Top ramen and tuna.
01:22:42.000 But, you know, they say it takes 30 years.
01:22:45.000 What happened to me takes 30 years of build-up.
01:22:48.000 So I'm looking back when I was a kid.
01:22:51.000 Working at McDonald's, eating microwave burritos, and just the worst food you can eat.
01:22:59.000 And I remember years ago, I always had a problem with my right foot being puffy and swollen.
01:23:08.000 So I had signs for years that I was having a cloggage.
01:23:14.000 So 2021, I had that heart attack, and I'm like, man, F caffeine, F everything that I think possibly could have caused it.
01:23:25.000 Salt, caffeine.
01:23:26.000 Everything, right?
01:23:27.000 And so I just went on wild-caught salmon and spinach every day for a year and a half at 7 p.m.
01:23:35.000 That's all I would eat is one meal a day.
01:23:37.000 And I kept my size.
01:23:39.000 I was like 190 at the time and still strong in the gym.
01:23:43.000 How much do you weigh now?
01:23:44.000 He said, as of today, this is my last day of the watermelon fast.
01:23:48.000 I'm 172.
01:23:50.000 Wow.
01:23:51.000 And the most I weighed was 270 when I was my swolest.
01:23:56.000 But I feel the best in my life right now.
01:23:58.000 I was going to ask, you probably feel the best.
01:24:00.000 Get some watermelons, nigga? 1.00
01:24:02.000 That'll get them down, boy.
01:24:03.000 Yeah, man.
01:24:04.000 We'll get them on that melon, boy. 0.97
01:24:05.000 Melon diet, nigga. 1.00
01:24:08.000 So you had this awakening. 0.94
01:24:12.000 Yeah, so I had the heart attack, and so I was eating that.
01:24:16.000 So I seen a guy doing a watermelon challenge. 0.99
01:24:18.000 I'm like, shit, he's eating 1,200 calories with a whole watermelon. 0.99
01:24:22.000 I'm only eating 800 to 1,000 a day. 1.00
01:24:25.000 So I tried it, and it was a hat.
01:24:28.000 It was a hack to life.
01:24:29.000 Did you feel good on the salmon and spinach diet?
01:24:31.000 I did.
01:24:32.000 You did feel good on it?
01:24:32.000 Yeah, I did.
01:24:33.000 No carbs?
01:24:34.000 No carbs.
01:24:35.000 Just salmon and spinach.
01:24:36.000 So you're basically effectively keto, kind of.
01:24:38.000 Uh-huh.
01:24:39.000 Okay.
01:24:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:24:40.000 I felt great, actually.
01:24:42.000 And then you said, why watermelon in particular?
01:24:45.000 So, watermelon just detoxes you.
01:24:49.000 For some reason, you had the most spiritual awakening.
01:24:54.000 With watermelon.
01:24:55.000 Yeah.
01:24:56.000 It's bizarre, man.
01:24:57.000 I feel like when I eat watermelon, I become alive.
01:25:00.000 Yeah.
01:25:00.000 You know, this whole conversation right now is a meme.
01:25:02.000 Three black dudes at a table talking about fucking watermelon. 1.00
01:25:05.000 This is like a fucking meme right now. 1.00
01:25:07.000 This is hilarious. 0.99
01:25:09.000 Watermelon, when I eat it, bro, I feel alive.
01:25:11.000 I feel like I'm awake, and I feel like I'm just flowing with my water. 1.00
01:25:15.000 Bro, there's some dudes in Mississippi right now, White Hood's watching this shit, losing their fucking minds. 1.00
01:25:19.000 You hear these niggas? 1.00
01:25:20.000 You hear these niggas? 1.00
01:25:21.000 I'm talking about watermelon!
01:25:23.000 I'm talking about watermelon!
01:25:23.000 I'm talking about watermelon!
01:25:24.000 I told you!
01:25:25.000 I'm talking about watermelon!
01:25:27.000 They can't take our drops! 1.00
01:25:29.000 Like, what the fuck, bro? 1.00
01:25:30.000 There you are! 1.00
01:25:31.000 Watermelon!
01:25:31.000 All right.
01:25:32.000 This is a fucking meme in itself, man. 0.99
01:25:34.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99
01:25:35.000 But anyway, yeah.
01:25:36.000 Well, to be fair, you're not really black, so.
01:25:38.000 Yeah, I guess I don't count. 0.68
01:25:39.000 Yeah, it'll consider me black.
01:25:40.000 Yeah, so what I did was I just went extreme with the health tip.
01:25:44.000 I did a stem cell twice.
01:25:47.000 You went down to Columbia for it?
01:25:49.000 No, I went to Vegas.
01:25:50.000 It's a spot that sponsored me and C.T. Fletcher in Vegas.
01:25:54.000 Okay.
01:25:55.000 And so I just went on this.
01:25:57.000 I started researching fasting.
01:26:00.000 I did the water fast, pineapple.
01:26:03.000 I did apple fast.
01:26:05.000 I learned I'm type A blood type.
01:26:08.000 I just do well on fruit and veggies.
01:26:11.000 Okay.
01:26:11.000 Yeah.
01:26:12.000 And so I just feel the best of fruit and veggies now.
01:26:16.000 How's CZ Fletcher doing, bro?
01:26:17.000 Because I know he has some issues.
01:26:18.000 Oh, he's doing good.
01:26:18.000 Very similar heart problems, too.
01:26:19.000 Well, he had a heart transplant. 1.00
01:26:21.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
01:26:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:26:22.000 So he's doing good. 1.00
01:26:23.000 He did stem cell twice, and he's back energetic and feeling good.
01:26:29.000 Yeah.
01:26:30.000 Back in the gym?
01:26:30.000 Yeah.
01:26:31.000 Back in the gym.
01:26:32.000 Yeah.
01:26:33.000 Yeah.
01:26:33.000 That's great, man.
01:26:34.000 So it's awesome, man.
01:26:36.000 So yeah, fasting is a hack.
01:26:39.000 It's a hack, most definitely.
01:26:41.000 And all the books of God talk about it, so it's amazing.
01:26:44.000 So would you recommend a watermelon fasting for most people?
01:26:48.000 Yeah, if you have body fat, but if you're low body fat, it's going to be tough.
01:26:53.000 You know what I mean?
01:26:54.000 But if you want to lose weight super fast, detox, it's amazing.
01:26:59.000 I'm going to try it, bro.
01:27:00.000 Let me ask you this.
01:27:01.000 So how do you do it now?
01:27:03.000 You said you do it for like a month, so are you like 30 days on just eating nothing but watermelon?
01:27:07.000 I just did 40.
01:27:08.000 40?
01:27:09.000 Today is my 40th day.
01:27:11.000 Okay.
01:27:11.000 And then how long do you transition back to a, I guess, standard diet?
01:27:16.000 Fruits.
01:27:17.000 So I start back, like, tonight, if I eat something or whatever, I have some different fruits.
01:27:23.000 Okay.
01:27:24.000 Maybe if we go out or something, I have a salad with avocado, which is a fruit.
01:27:29.000 Avocados, cucumbers.
01:27:31.000 So you buy how many melons a day?
01:27:32.000 Just one.
01:27:33.000 One melon a day?
01:27:34.000 Yeah, and I wouldn't eat all that now.
01:27:36.000 Oh.
01:27:37.000 Yeah.
01:27:38.000 Yeah, it's bizarre, man.
01:27:39.000 You don't need that much.
01:27:40.000 Do you break it down into like breakfast, lunch, dinner, or just like one time eat watermelon?
01:27:42.000 Whenever I get hungry.
01:27:44.000 But what I would do is I'd juice it.
01:27:46.000 So I'd have 100 ounces of juice all through the day after my workout.
01:27:52.000 Then at night, 6 p.m., I would have like a quarter of a watermelon I'd eat.
01:27:58.000 Wow.
01:27:58.000 So that was my program.
01:27:59.000 So how do you maintain your lean body mass with virtually no protein?
01:28:04.000 We've been lied to.
01:28:07.000 Yeah, so all my life, especially going to prison, I never believed in protein.
01:28:14.000 It all is a fallacy to me.
01:28:18.000 Everybody I grew up with was swole off eating a lot of carbs.
01:28:22.000 You know, and what happened was when Joe Weider got Arnold to promote this protein stuff, everybody believed it.
01:28:32.000 That's when it became this big hype.
01:28:34.000 And me and my partners used to laugh at it.
01:28:36.000 Like, what protein?
01:28:38.000 We eating these carbs, smaller than everybody.
01:28:42.000 You know, it's like a gorilla or something just eating bananas or whatever, you know. 1.00
01:28:48.000 It's the same shit. 1.00
01:28:49.000 And so, yeah, I never believed it. 1.00
01:28:51.000 That's why I never sold it.
01:28:52.000 I never believed in protein.
01:28:55.000 Amino acids have to convert into protein.
01:28:58.000 Yeah.
01:28:58.000 That's what they don't tell us.
01:28:59.000 So when you're just consuming straight protein, guess what?
01:29:02.000 It got to reverse and break it down to amino acids.
01:29:07.000 Yeah.
01:29:07.000 And so people didn't realize that.
01:29:09.000 And I didn't at the time, but once I went on watermelon, I'm like, oh, I've only sold BCAAs, amino acids, with my supplements.
01:29:19.000 So, yeah, it's a myth.
01:29:20.000 And people still, you know, argue me up and down.
01:29:24.000 And, you know, you can research it and it'll tell you that amino acids convert into protein.
01:29:29.000 So as long as you get an amino acid, you do.
01:29:31.000 Which is a watermelon.
01:29:32.000 Uh-huh.
01:29:33.000 Yeah.
01:29:33.000 So, Mario, what do you think?
01:29:34.000 Should I go on a watermelon diet?
01:29:35.000 Would you want to lose some weight? 0.91
01:29:37.000 Wait, what do I need, nigga? 1.00
01:29:39.000 You need a lot of help, bro.
01:29:42.000 What, you trying to lose the weight?
01:29:43.000 You know, a few pounds, I feel like.
01:29:45.000 Oh, watermelon, bro, when I started it this time, I lost 10 pounds in two days.
01:29:51.000 No way.
01:29:52.000 Today, I just lost 5 pounds.
01:29:54.000 What?
01:29:55.000 Yeah.
01:29:56.000 Yo, Moe.
01:29:57.000 Oh, it's a hack, bro.
01:29:58.000 We got some work to do, bro.
01:30:00.000 It's a hat.
01:30:01.000 He ain't with it. 1.00
01:30:05.000 Shit, man. 1.00
01:30:06.000 Wow. 1.00
01:30:07.000 So, you said you had a kid, two twins.
01:30:12.000 Are you still married or in a relationship?
01:30:14.000 Yeah, I'm still married.
01:30:15.000 How long have y'all been together?
01:30:17.000 Me and my wife been together in 2016.
01:30:21.000 How did you meet her?
01:30:25.000 At a fitness expo.
01:30:26.000 She came to my booth. 0.58
01:30:28.000 I was like, look at the white girl with blue eyes and big booty. 1.00
01:30:32.000 Hey, you get it?
01:30:33.000 She came to your booth. 0.65
01:30:36.000 Exactly.
01:30:39.000 So you guys have been together for a while.
01:30:41.000 Are you based out of Vegas still?
01:30:43.000 No, I'm in Irvine, Orange County.
01:30:45.000 Okay, nice.
01:30:47.000 Orange County's good, bro. 0.99
01:30:49.000 LA sucks, man. 0.98
01:30:50.000 Isn't that where Mike is? 1.00
01:30:52.000 Bro, all the base people are in Orange County, bro. 0.99
01:30:55.000 So I moved there because my business partner, Big Boy, Oh, shit. 0.98
01:31:01.000 We got the same warehouse. 0.99
01:31:02.000 That's C.T. Fletcher's guy, right?
01:31:04.000 No, no.
01:31:05.000 Big Boy from Strength Cartel.
01:31:07.000 Mexican.
01:31:08.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:31:09.000 Yes, yes.
01:31:10.000 I know what you're talking about now.
01:31:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:31:13.000 I know what you mean.
01:31:13.000 So, yeah, I moved out there basically for him.
01:31:16.000 Okay.
01:31:17.000 Yeah, but I love it.
01:31:19.000 Orange County?
01:31:20.000 Hell yeah, love it. 0.94
01:31:21.000 It's like you get the perks of California without the loony lefties. 0.93
01:31:24.000 Yeah, 95% of people live out there are Asians. 0.92
01:31:30.000 That's good.
01:31:30.000 That's a good sign.
01:31:31.000 That's a very good sign, sir.
01:31:32.000 That's a very good sign, man.
01:31:34.000 When niggas don't go. 1.00
01:31:36.000 I'm the only nigga in the 100 mile radius. 0.89
01:31:38.000 Let's go, man. 0.94
01:31:40.000 Okay.
01:31:40.000 Hey, man.
01:31:41.000 Call those races, whatever.
01:31:43.000 We just had a conversation about watermelons, right? 1.00
01:31:44.000 So I want to hear shit from these haters, man. 1.00
01:31:47.000 How dare you? 1.00
01:31:48.000 Shit, man. 1.00
01:31:48.000 We can read some of these chats real quick. 1.00
01:31:50.000 Yeah, we'll read some of the chats.
01:31:51.000 Give them a little break.
01:31:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:31:52.000 Fresh updates.
01:31:53.000 Fresh updates.
01:31:53.000 Think about this.
01:31:54.000 On some level, American food is poison, and that's cereal, steak, and eggs. 0.75
01:31:57.000 Okay. 0.95
01:31:58.000 What else?
01:31:59.000 Did he, you sell Zerka any crack? 0.79
01:32:02.000 No, I didn't.
01:32:03.000 Maybe.
01:32:04.000 A secret message has been found from the future, from our future president.
01:32:08.000 This guy's talking about me being president. 0.96
01:32:09.000 What the hell? 0.94
01:32:10.000 That's me old as hell. 0.93
01:32:18.000 Hey Myron, do you still plan on having Maven on the pod?
01:32:22.000 I gotta reach out to him.
01:32:23.000 If you have a connect, let me know.
01:32:25.000 Y'all should cover Lamine Yamal for our Womanizer Wednesday, 17-year-old professional soccer player.
01:32:32.000 Oh, he was dating the older chick?
01:32:35.000 Oh, yes.
01:32:36.000 No, no.
01:32:36.000 Well, she's older, but he basically...
01:32:40.000 She cheated on him. 1.00
01:32:41.000 Yes.
01:32:41.000 She got caught on video.
01:32:44.000 So the father says to his son, son, if you keep masturbating, you're going to go blind. 0.98
01:32:47.000 The son says, dad, I'm over here. 0.99
01:32:51.000 Okay.
01:32:52.000 All right.
01:32:53.000 I'm getting some castle club down under.
01:32:55.000 Pause.
01:32:55.000 Not sure if you're aware from the brother, you, me, Muslim cleric from here in Western Sydney, has said P3Ds, killer prey.
01:33:05.000 He said, oh, oh, oh, okay. 0.94
01:33:08.000 Pedos and killers who prey are better than law-abiding citizens who don't prey. 0.95
01:33:12.000 Thoughts?
01:33:13.000 No comment, bro.
01:33:14.000 Oh, man.
01:33:15.000 We deserve less.
01:33:16.000 WBills.
01:33:16.000 Okay?
01:33:18.000 Clayton Williams says, Big WFNF and to Cali Muscle, my pops and I used to watch you religiously back in the day, Hy-Fee Mud.
01:33:25.000 The gym is like my girlfriend.
01:33:26.000 Yep.
01:33:27.000 Let's go.
01:33:28.000 That's it.
01:33:29.000 And then, Uh-huh, from JTK. Uh-huh.
01:33:32.000 Yeah.
01:33:34.000 Yeah, and he did that twice.
01:33:35.000 Shout out to you, JTK. We are going to do after hours here in a little bit.
01:33:38.000 I guess, was anything else?
01:33:40.000 Yeah, Kali, so real quick, YouTube and the future of Kali Muscle.
01:33:45.000 What's in store for us?
01:33:46.000 So, yeah, I started doing educational videos because I learned that they make the most money.
01:33:55.000 So I veered away from the- Vlogs?
01:33:59.000 Comedic type stuff.
01:34:01.000 Yeah.
01:34:01.000 And right now I've been doing a series of the watermelon.
01:34:04.000 So I compile the watermelon videos and whatnot.
01:34:07.000 But my main thing now is my program.
01:34:10.000 I help people blow up their social media, call over 100 guys a day.
01:34:14.000 Today I dropped my token, my crypto token.
01:34:18.000 I got to airdrop you guys some, by the way.
01:34:21.000 Yeah.
01:34:21.000 So I've been on Spaces, looking at Myron all day.
01:34:25.000 You know what I mean?
01:34:27.000 Yeah, I'm on Twitter a lot.
01:34:28.000 I'm paying off Instagram, man. 1.00
01:34:30.000 Fuck Instagram. 1.00
01:34:31.000 It's not Instagram, bro. 1.00
01:34:32.000 We know what it is.
01:34:33.000 Actually, we'll reveal that next week for you guys.
01:34:35.000 Yeah.
01:34:37.000 Yeah, so I'm just focusing now.
01:34:42.000 I got my other languages I'm working on.
01:34:46.000 I already had a Spanish channel on YouTube.
01:34:49.000 Now I'm doing some other languages.
01:34:52.000 They have some other TikTok.
01:34:54.000 I've been cranking on there.
01:34:56.000 Threads, cranking, monetized.
01:34:59.000 And so, yeah, been on Twitter every day.
01:35:02.000 It's been crazy.
01:35:03.000 Ever since I changed my life around, like, people, like, did your views go down or you lost your fan base?
01:35:10.000 It actually went up quadruple since I turned a leaf with a health tip.
01:35:17.000 Because you got to think, guys my age now, fat, out of shape, unhealthy, with health problems.
01:35:22.000 I mean, you were born in 75.
01:35:23.000 Yeah.
01:35:24.000 So, what, it's 2024 now?
01:35:26.000 I mean, what, 50?
01:35:27.000 In six months, I'll be 50.
01:35:29.000 Yeah.
01:35:29.000 Six, seven months.
01:35:30.000 Yeah.
01:35:30.000 Wow.
01:35:30.000 Yeah.
01:35:31.000 It's unbelievable. 1.00
01:35:32.000 Damn you, nigga. 1.00
01:35:33.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:35:34.000 God damn it. 0.99
01:35:34.000 Hey, niggas better to hope to get it this old nowadays. 0.99
01:35:37.000 That's true.
01:35:37.000 You're right, you're right, you're right.
01:35:38.000 So I feel blessed.
01:35:40.000 I'm like, when I meet somebody at 60, when I meet somebody at 60, I'm like, man, kudos, you're a blessing.
01:35:46.000 See, I look old, so I think I already got there.
01:35:50.000 You're good.
01:35:51.000 But yeah, so I just, I want to live for the kids, man.
01:35:56.000 Yeah.
01:35:56.000 How old are your children now?
01:35:58.000 Four.
01:35:58.000 Nice.
01:35:59.000 Yeah.
01:35:59.000 Okay.
01:36:00.000 Yeah, they're four.
01:36:01.000 And so that's my whole focus.
01:36:02.000 That's why I do all this crazy dying in and fasting.
01:36:07.000 Like, uh...
01:36:08.000 Well, I'll tell you this, Kelly.
01:36:08.000 You inspire me, man.
01:36:09.000 Thank you.
01:36:10.000 Like, one day, I ought to find a snow bunny.
01:36:13.000 That's beautiful.
01:36:14.000 Yeah.
01:36:14.000 Thank you.
01:36:15.000 Hell yeah.
01:36:15.000 You go do it.
01:36:16.000 You're in Miami.
01:36:17.000 You're right, brother.
01:36:18.000 And you go to Colorado, actually.
01:36:20.000 Oh, you go to Colorado?
01:36:21.000 That's where I should go.
01:36:21.000 No, you gotta go to Europe.
01:36:23.000 Like, mine, mine, Croatian.
01:36:25.000 Oh, just Croatian? 1.00
01:36:26.000 Yeah.
01:36:26.000 Sweden.
01:36:27.000 Yeah.
01:36:29.000 They're 304s, though. 1.00
01:36:30.000 Yeah, you're right.
01:36:30.000 So, what about Finland?
01:36:31.000 Finland, Finland.
01:36:33.000 Oh, if you put it in a calculator, I'll flip upside down.
01:36:36.000 Oh, yeah.
01:36:36.000 Right.
01:36:39.000 Moroccan.
01:36:40.000 I'm just kidding. 0.70
01:36:41.000 You gotta go to Croatia or something, brother.
01:36:44.000 Yeah, okay.
01:36:45.000 But yeah, bro.
01:36:47.000 Guys, check them out, man.
01:36:48.000 Cali Muscle on all those social media platforms, man. 0.54
01:36:51.000 Go check them out, man.
01:36:51.000 Go support them, bro.
01:36:52.000 OG in the fitness space, man.
01:36:53.000 We're glad that you're here with us.
01:36:54.000 Obviously, that's a crazy story.
01:36:56.000 I think we went from your criminal past to how you turned your life around.
01:37:01.000 YouTube, the book, acting.
01:37:03.000 What's coming up next?
01:37:04.000 That's a good update.
01:37:05.000 Thanks Con to Icon.
01:37:07.000 Thank you for coming, bro.
01:37:08.000 We appreciate it, man.
01:37:08.000 Thank you for having me, brother.
01:37:09.000 Thank you, man.
01:37:10.000 Definitely have you back again, too, man.
01:37:12.000 It's a great conversation.
01:37:13.000 And you're here in Florida for a bit, so we can do another one.
01:37:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:37:15.000 We'll do something else.
01:37:15.000 I'm here till 19.
01:37:16.000 All right, man.
01:37:17.000 We'll have you on with some girls then. 1.00
01:37:18.000 Yeah, we'll have you on with some girls. 1.00
01:37:20.000 Maybe next week if you're free.
01:37:21.000 Well, yeah.
01:37:22.000 Maybe you can show us the pimp slap.
01:37:25.000 I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
01:37:26.000 We never hit women, ever.
01:37:28.000 Guys, like the video.
01:37:29.000 Go check them out on all the platforms, man.
01:37:31.000 I hope you guys enjoyed the interview. 0.92
01:37:32.000 It was fucking awesome. 0.93
01:37:33.000 It's good. 0.98
01:37:33.000 You know, to have a legend in the house and have this conversation. 0.98
01:37:35.000 Yeah.
01:37:36.000 We'll be back here with some lovely ladies, guys. 1.00
01:37:38.000 And after hours, we're going to part three of the three-peat, a.k.a.
01:37:40.000 the four-peat, because the other one's pre-recorded.
01:37:42.000 We love you guys back in a bit.
01:37:43.000 Peace.
01:37:44.000 I ran, I ran so far away.
01:37:49.000 I just ran, I ran all night and day.