In this episode, the boys are joined by their good friends Andrew and Nick to discuss a variety of topics, including: 1. Why white people should not have children. 2. Why the Jews should have more kids. 3. Should white people have children? 4. How many white kids should the Jews have? 5. What is the correct answer to this question? 6. What should the Jewish people do about it? 7. What are your thoughts on the matter?
00:23:34.000I think Nick has done a pretty good job of debating pretty much everyone, as have I. So it's been a while since we've had a sparring match where we might actually get hit with something that makes us think.
00:25:04.000And you should be very proud of yourself for that.
00:25:06.000When I said what I said, and if I read it here verbatim, I said the Groipers speak like a conquered people.
00:25:14.000The point I was making is that I feel, and this isn't even necessarily your fault because in all movements, there's going to be varying degrees of extremity and extremism inside of it.
00:25:24.000But what often happens is, especially with me, I will say something often about women or white people reproducing, something along those lines.
00:25:34.000And the Groipers will jump in to call me a nigger and say that I work for the Jews, as opposed to understand the point I'm trying to make.
00:25:42.000When I say that, you know, it doesn't matter what laws we pass, it doesn't matter what legislation goes through the Congress.
00:25:49.000If white people don't have babies, you're soon to be replaced.
00:25:52.000The answer I get is, ah, but the Jews made the white women not listen to us.
00:25:57.000And my answer to it is: well, now you sound like a conquered class.
00:26:02.000If the Jews are really trying so hard to subvert you from having children, then the correct answer is to have as many children as possible.
00:26:09.000The correct answer to my tweet is: they tried to stop me from having a bunch of white kids, but I did have a bunch of white kids.
00:26:17.000Look what I've achieved, irregardless of their attempts to subvert me, because I cannot be controlled.
00:26:23.000And there's a lot, there's a big difference between noticing a problem and using a problem as a cure-all excuse for your own personal circumstances.
00:26:31.000And I've spoken absolutes because I often do, and I've said no Jew stops you going to the gym, which is a massive oversimplification.
00:26:38.000But the point I was making was: there's a lot.
00:27:21.000Okay, well, yeah, the point I was making is that you know, we have to make a very important distinction here.
00:27:28.000And if we're going to notice there's a problem with influence of the American government, which I've never disagreed with, which in fact I have spoken up for and agreed with you on basically everything and promoted all of your clips saying exactly that, there is a large distinction between noticing a problem and highlighting it and combating against it and using as an excuse to fail in life.
00:27:52.000And I feel like some of the groipers, not all, some sound a bit like the blacks talking about the system.
00:28:33.000And the reason we call them Wiggers as opposed to Groipers or something else is because you're right.
00:28:39.000I would say that what Black people, what is typified by Black people, is this sort of victim mentality that says, oh, is it because I'm Black?
00:28:49.000Oh, you only have a problem, me because I'm Black.
00:28:52.000Oh, you know, keeping the Black man down.
00:28:55.000The reason we call them Wigger nationalists is because they have kind of adopted the worst aspects of Black identity politics, which is to say, oh, you have a problem because I'm white.
00:29:07.000Oh, they're keeping the white man down.
00:29:09.000Oh, well, they'll just call us racist.
00:29:13.000And my attitude towards the problem is always they can't stop us.
00:29:19.000If you go like I did and tell the truth directly and articulately, and you don't let them suppress you, at the end of the day, they really can't stop you.
00:29:50.000And so I tell my followers, get as intelligent as you can, read books, learn languages, learn a musical instrument, go to the gym, get physically fit.
00:29:59.000I tell people, get into the best college you can.
00:30:02.000And if you're not interested in going that route and networking, then be an entrepreneur, make as much money as possible, infiltrate politics.
00:30:10.000But I guess where I would diverge slightly if we're to get into, because I think we're in total agreement on that, and I'm with you 100%.
00:31:10.000I plan on getting married and having kids at some point.
00:31:13.000I guess where I would depart, even from my fellow white people who say this, is that there is something structural happening where I don't believe the answer is that we're going to tell ourselves we all need to start having kids because How many people are even political?
00:31:33.000How many people are aware of the white genocide?
00:31:35.000How many people are going to have kids as a response to this problem?
00:32:08.000I mean, we need to become resourceful, influential, rich, run media, be entrepreneurs, you know, pay politicians to run for office.
00:32:18.000And we need to use politics to change society.
00:32:21.000Because when you look at the strategy of like the Jews, as an example, they're 2% of the population, but they have this extraordinary influence.
00:32:29.000That's because they go for the locus of power.
00:32:32.000They're in LA, they're in New York City, they're in DC.
00:32:35.000These are the most powerful cities in the world.
00:32:41.000They're striking at the locus of power.
00:32:44.000And from the locus of power proceeds the cultural standards, proceeds these dominant narratives in the education system from academia.
00:32:54.000And so I'm really a believer, not in as much saying, oh, white people in general need to have more kids.
00:33:00.000Certainly that's a good thing, but it's more like I want the most brilliant elite human capital, the smartest, richest, best white people to become as powerful as possible, take over the institutions, and from the institutions promulgate a message of fertility, racial solidarity, national solidarity, and national consciousness.
00:33:22.000And I don't think you'd even disagree, but it's just kind of like going a little step further on that.
00:33:28.000No, I agree with you actually completely.
00:33:30.000And culture is the driving force behind all things.
00:33:32.000You know, I often comment on white people, black people.
00:33:36.000I'm in a unique position because I am a raced mix individual, which pisses off a large percentage of the internet, but this is how I was born and that's how it goes.
00:33:45.000And there's not much I can do about it.
00:33:47.000But I would argue, besides yourself, there's probably no one else with a platform as large as mine who speaks up for white people ever, ever.
00:33:55.000And one of the problems with extreme right-wing white people is we have this infinitely divisible, constantly searching for more and more based to the point where no matter how much you do for them or try to help them, you're going to eventually not be based enough for them.
00:34:11.000And this is seen amongst white people in general.
00:34:14.000If we removed all the black people from Western civilization today, within 30 years, the Germans would be fighting the Italians again.
00:34:21.000I mean, that's what happened only 30 or 40 years ago.
00:34:23.000The Irish and English were blowing each other up.
00:34:25.000And now Ireland and England's both full of asylum seekers from the boats is kind of crazy when you think about it.
00:34:31.000So this infinitely divisible, this constant search for the more and more based version, I actually think in some ways subverts the whole movement.
00:34:39.000The movement you've launched is so fantastic.
00:34:42.000The cultural effect you've had is also fantastic.
00:34:45.000But the biggest threat to the movement is not going to be external.
00:34:49.000And there is a percentage of people, no matter what I say in defense of you, in defense of white people, in defense of Western civilization, come along and say, because my dad is black, who was a chess genius, by the way, is the only reason I'm even smart, that I'm a piece of shit and I need to be kicked out or I need to die or whatever.
00:35:07.000And I don't care because truthfully, I think it's hilarious.
00:35:10.000But when you have these cartoon and on accounts constantly going to a deeper and deeper level of everyone's a Jew, everything is this, everything is that, and they can't even get along with somebody who is clearly on their side in the larger fight.
00:35:26.000This is how you're going to end up losing the fight in the long run.
00:35:28.000And I think that's where some of the problem comes from, which again is not even your fault, but that's the problem with that movement as a whole.
00:35:36.000And I'm going to say one thing from a personal perspective.
00:35:40.000I do feel like there is a degree of ungratefulness.
00:35:44.000Once again, this is not your fault, but there's an ungratefulness amongst people and an ungratefulness amongst the internet.
00:35:48.000I remind the internet on October 8th, against all legal advice, I told Piers Morgan it was a genocide.
00:35:58.000I stuck up and was anti-Israel on Piers Morgan on October 8th, before it was cool on the internet, very much like you.
00:36:30.000And I think it's a multifaceted attack.
00:36:32.000But we have to be very careful here because if I owned a farm and all the sheep worked out that I had a slaughterhouse and all they did all day was say, that's a slaughterhouse.
00:36:49.000There has to be a point where you don't obey what I want you to do.
00:36:52.000If they're trying to stop you from reproducing, then you must reproduce.
00:36:55.000If they're trying to beat you down so you don't make money because of virsary, you need to make money.
00:36:59.000If they don't want you to be brave, you need to be brave.
00:37:01.000You need to look at their exact playbook.
00:37:03.000And instead of tweeting at people, instead of accusing every single person who doesn't have an anon cartoon account of being a Jew, you need to do the absolute opposite of what they want you to do.
00:37:31.000And I make it clear that, you know, a white man, I say, white man can't get a kid out of a woman unless he buys her two houses and three cars and a nanny.
00:38:15.000I'm just saying that if we're going to try and have a serious political movement here, then calling every single person a Jew because of some tedious or tenuous link, I think is disingenuous.
00:38:26.000I think that, and again, this is just my personal view.
00:38:30.000And I don't know enough since I got released from house arrest after three years in my house in February.
00:38:47.000I've been with my children living my life.
00:38:49.000However, I would argue that Tucker has red-pilled a lot of people who would never watch your show about very important things that are happening in the American government that you'd agree with.
00:39:13.000And I think this infinite, divisible, constant infighting, constant looking for who's the most base, constantly saying, well, he's done 99 things right, but this one thing makes him a Jew.
00:39:24.000I just think it's holding us back by and large.
00:39:27.000That's my personal view, but it's not my movement.
00:39:30.000So I'm just saying what I see it as from the outside.
00:39:33.000Well, and, you know, maybe that's where the disagreement lies, because I talked with Alex Jones about this yesterday.
00:39:41.000We didn't even plan on talking about it, but he brought it up.
00:39:44.000Obviously, I'm in this big feud with both Candace and Tucker Carlson right now.
00:39:48.000And I see it being characterized on Twitter by some people as infighting.
00:39:56.000I would tend to agree with you that if I were an outside observer, I would look at Candace and Tucker and myself, and I would think we're all on the same side.
00:40:05.000We're all pushing in the same direction.
00:40:07.000Certainly, we're all criticizing Israel.
00:40:09.000We're all against the war in Iran and the rest of it.
00:40:12.000And that's what I would tend to think.
00:40:15.000And yet, when I went out and did Candace's show, instead of talking about what we had in common, she wanted to talk about all the things that we had apart.
00:40:26.000And she, in particular, wanted to press me on if I really Hated Jews and if I was really a racist.
00:40:33.000So that confounded me because if I'm an outside objective observer, maybe without all the information, I would say, wait, aren't Candice Tucker and Nick on the same side?
00:40:42.000But being me, I went to do her show with my suit on, ready to talk about the Iran war, the neocons, all this kind of stuff.
00:40:50.000And she's pressing me, why do you hate Dave Smith?
00:43:45.000I think that when people were saying the Bridget series was irrelevant, I think that's disingenuous.
00:43:50.000I think it's actually very irrelevant to find out if the most prominent country in the European Union is being run by a pedophile and his dad.
00:43:57.000I also think it's hilarious that she trolled Macron into having a meltdown.
00:44:09.000There's two ways to answer that question.
00:44:10.000The first thing you can do, and you can make your own decision as a full-grown man, is, is it about you and your own personal feelings, which it's allowed to be, by the way?
00:44:19.000Or is it about the movement by and large as a whole?
00:44:21.000Because I've sat down with people who have come out for me guns blazing, but I believe they were 65% on the same side as me.
00:44:28.000And I defended myself and I thought, you know what?
00:44:54.000But I have nothing against Candace and Tucker.
00:44:56.000And the whole CIA agent dad thing, I'd actually like to address that as well.
00:45:00.000one of the reasons why that holds no weight with me is my father was in the intelligence services.
00:45:06.000And now there's a whole bunch of people spamming my account saying that I'm a Jewish asset because my father was CIA.
00:45:12.000But I've been very honest and open about the fact that he was a translator and he spoke three languages.
00:45:16.000And I was also open about the fact that he was discharged without a pension for not following orders, ended up living in his car, being a traveling chess player.
00:45:23.000And I had to grow up in a homeless hostel in Luton, England, fighting Kolcevans at the age of 11.
00:45:29.000So if there's some big Intel agency op going on, I never got any money from it.
00:45:36.000And I grew up in the worst area in England.
00:45:38.000And now they're throwing me in jail at random.
00:45:40.000So for anyone to believe that I'm some kind of intelligence opera or Fed is disingenuous.
00:45:45.000And another thing, and I want to make this clear: when I talk with you about issues, I'm very honest and open about the fact that you have swapped some knowledge I don't have.
00:45:55.000I don't want to get pulled into muddy waters where I'm in a situation and we're discussing something I know nothing about.
00:46:00.000You can start talking about the financing of a particular center and I don't know.
00:46:24.000What I do think is perhaps there's some ego involved.
00:46:26.000Perhaps we're at a pivotal moment in culture.
00:46:29.000Perhaps maybe there is a degree of them trying to assert dominance over you or trying to show that, you know, they're not scared of your influence.
00:46:37.000That's all possible and all very real.
00:46:39.000I can only answer what I would have done in your situation, which was what I said earlier.
00:46:43.000I would have sat down with Candace or defended myself and said, you know what?
00:46:46.000By and large, I think she does fantastic work.
00:47:47.000And I think unless we can manage to get our heads around doing something similar, we're always going to end up every time we get any power just infighting and falling to pieces.
00:47:56.000Well, I would say that as far as you three are concerned, I do believe you're all different.
00:48:03.000I think that you are different than Tucker.
00:48:04.000And I think that Tucker is different from Candace.
00:48:08.000And the reason I knew that is because when Candace went on with Tucker, Tucker said, oh, you know, this kid, he's saying my dad is in the CIA.
00:48:18.000And Candace said, yeah, and he said that I'm Russian intelligence.
00:48:22.000And Tucker said, yeah, but that's more likely than my dad being in the CIA or me being in the CIA.
00:48:29.000So in that moment, I was like, okay, so wait a second, these two are not on the same page.
00:48:34.000And I don't think you're on the same page with them even necessarily on this whole thing.
00:48:38.000And I guess what I would say about their attack is, in particular, Tucker's attack was to discredit me.
00:48:47.000And, you know, without, I don't want to drag into a conversation that you don't know all the information about because I don't think that's fair.
00:48:53.000But suffice to say, the particular thrust of his attack was to say that I'm a federal operative, was to say that I'm a federal agent.
00:49:03.000And you say that the question is, how do I handle that?
00:49:08.000Do I sort of take my lumps, so to speak?
00:49:11.000I would say that's a very pernicious and specific charge to make, which is supposed to say, and it was almost artful the way that he did it.
00:49:20.000He said, Nick says a lot of the right things, but you shouldn't listen to him because he's not who he says he is.
00:49:26.000And that sort of says to me that they Are trying to block me from having influence.
00:49:32.000They're trying to destroy my reputation so that people don't listen.
00:49:36.000And in my show against Tucker, I sort of contrasted our two positions.
00:49:40.000If it's about the movement, for me, my movement says we're about American sovereignty.
00:50:44.000And I would say that when push comes to shove, I have a much better case to make that I'm a credible voice than he does.
00:50:52.000I would make the case that my movement, to the extent that it's different, is much more consistent with what's right and where the people are at.
00:50:59.000If he wants to make it, me versus him, be my guest.
00:51:03.000I don't think he's going to like where that goes on a long enough timeline.
00:51:07.000So that's why I said to Alex Jones yesterday, I said, I would love to privately or publicly talk to Tucker.
00:51:14.000If he thinks I'm a fed, if he cares about the movement, then, you know, look, I'm not going away anytime soon.
00:51:20.000He needs to listen and take me seriously, obviously, because his attack on me backfired.
00:51:25.000I think he needs to put up or shut up, have me on the show and debate the differences, make the case I'm a fed, or get with the fucking program.
00:51:32.000But that's kind of where I'm at with him.
00:51:35.000I do have a consciousness of the movement.
00:51:37.000And I think that maybe Tucker plays a role in this movement and maybe Candice plays a role.
00:51:42.000But I think they need to have a team player mentality.
00:51:45.000I can't be expected to have all the magnanimity in the world and all the patience and tolerate the kind of nonsense they're throwing my way.
00:51:52.000That's kind of my position because I like you a lot.
00:51:55.000And I think, you know, when you and I had our disagreement on Twitter, you said, fuck it, let's get on a stream.
00:53:15.000So I also understand perhaps when you just mentioned, you said there that Tucker's now saying it when everyone else is saying it, there's going to be a bit of personal like, hey, I got debanked.
00:53:58.000But I do think that it's very difficult.
00:54:00.000We have to draw a line somewhere and we have to have some degree of, well, what are the parameters then?
00:54:06.000Okay, Tucker did attack Nick, perhaps, or Candix attacked Nick, perhaps fine.
00:54:11.000But if they are exposing X, Y, Z, is that worthwhile and also we have to come along and say sometimes these tedious links can be exaggerated upon only a few hours ago i retweeted milo and you wrote a tweet underneath it saying that this is very suspicious this was a few hours ago and i retweeted milo because milo defended me saying that all these court cases against me nobody can seem to put me in jail nobody has any proof i didn't think ah milo and
00:54:40.000And Nick, I don't know the story of you two, to be honest.
00:54:58.000So sometimes there's too much noticing, and there's too many strings drawn, and there's too much, you know, people are looking for insult where it doesn't really exist.
00:55:08.000And I think that's one of the other things, separate to Candace and Tucker, because that was very deliberate against you, as you've just explained.
00:55:13.000One of the other things that I catch flack for from your movement is I breathe in the wrong direction, and perhaps a Jew breathed, was pointing that way when he breathed in 1941.
00:55:25.000And before you know it, I've got these spurgs spamming all over Twitter.
00:55:29.000And the reason that that's a bad thing is not because I give a shit.
00:55:33.000It's because it genuinely delegitimizes what you're trying to do.
00:55:39.000I think that, you know, as far as the Milo thing is concerned, the only reason I even mentioned it is because Candace did her show with me.
00:56:24.000And I consider what you have built to be one of the most positive things that's happened in the 2020s.
00:56:30.000And I even come down on your side when you're arguing with Catholics like Matt Walsh, because honestly, a lot of the Catholic, you know, white, right?
00:56:40.000They're pussies when it comes to women.
00:56:42.000And a lot of the trad stuff is 100% steered by women.
00:56:46.000So, I mean, your, your thing on patriarchy, in my opinion, is indispensable.
00:56:53.000And it's like, it's actually a good thing that we're in the Tate generation of young kids that are saying, you know, what color is your Bugatti and all.
00:57:01.000I think it's actually a really good thing.
00:57:02.000But with that being said, as far as these connections are concerned, I think transparency is the solution.
00:57:09.000You know, you coming on this and saying, hey, I just retweeted him just because.
00:58:34.000And unfortunately, when you introduce concepts like Palantir, a limited hangout, when you introduce that to low iq people they'll start seeing it everywhere you know they And unfortunately, it is true.
00:58:54.000But in many cases, we actually do need transparency on some of these connections because it's not lost on me that, you know, like Tucker Carlson, one of his critiques of me, he said that I am delegitimizing someone like J.D. Vance.
01:00:51.000And just once again, from the very outside perspective, and I have to make it clear that I'm not as versed on all of these topics as a lot of the people who are watching this, but I've barely been online.
01:01:27.000I think he made some massive positive pushes in the correct direction.
01:01:31.000And maybe a lot of this is going to be personality driven.
01:01:34.000Perhaps this is just me from a personality perspective.
01:01:37.000But if somebody does something good, I try very hard to not forget what they've done.
01:01:42.000The internet is a very fast-moving place.
01:01:45.000There's a lot of ungratefulness on the internet because you can do something amazing on a Monday and everyone hates you on a Tuesday because it's fun to hate people and it's interesting and trolling is fun.
01:02:14.000Me from a personality perspective, if there's orcs at my gate, I'm prepared to work with somebody who I disagree with on 99% of the problems besides let's kill the orcs.
01:02:25.000So I noticed as well, a lot of the gropers are constantly retweeting and constantly hammering Tristan for supporting JD Vance.
01:02:32.000Well, J.D. Vance is the only American politician who talks about the fact that we don't have any freedom of speech in Europe.
01:02:38.000JD Vance was the only politician who talked about the fact that Romania, the country we're in, the country that locked us up, overthrew their own election.
01:03:01.000And it's kind of like this infinitely divisible problem, which is a problem we're going to have with the entire movement, especially if we're successful.
01:03:08.000The more successful we are, the more fragmented it's going to become.
01:03:13.000As I said, if we had a white only nation, the Italians would fight the Spanish, who would fight the Germans, and before you know it, the North and the South would hate each other, and you'd be a Texan and you'd be from Chicago, and everyone would hate each other again, even though we're all the same skin color.
01:03:26.000That's why Europe was at constant war.
01:03:28.000So, this infinite divisible problem is a real one.
01:03:31.000And we kind of have to find a way, especially, and this is me speaking out of term because it's your movement, it's not my movement.
01:03:39.000But for you, I would say you have to kind of try and find a way to give some hard parameters and allow people who are not as intelligent as you, not as smart as you, not as well-versed as you, and most of your fans are not going to be.
01:03:51.000That's why you're the star to sit and say, Okay, where does someone fall?
01:03:55.000Are they on the good side or the bad side?
01:03:57.000Because perhaps they did this and this and this, but by and large, they've done XYZ.
01:04:02.000I always thought in my infinite ignorance that Ian Carroll was a good guy, he exposed things, and I watched his videos, and I thought that's interesting, that's interesting, that's interesting.
01:04:13.000And then I saw his feed, and everyone was calling him a Jewish plan.
01:04:17.000Maybe I just don't know enough, maybe I'm ignorant and dumb, but I was like, How the fuck is he a Jew?
01:04:22.000He's he's literally said the opposite the whole way through.
01:04:25.000So, I do think this is some kind of issue, which is going to be nearly impossible to solve because the internet's the internet, and this is how it works.
01:04:32.000And also, I will state this: even my movement, there are people in my movement who are retards and they'll go to the gym and they'll hit their chest and they'll tell every woman to off.
01:04:44.000And you know, they'll walk around with a gun saying they're a G, and they're fucking retards, and they're part of my movement, and that's going to be part of every single movement.
01:04:53.000I just think we need to try our very best if we want to make a serious political and genuine change.
01:04:58.000You're right, we have to draw connections, we have to notice patterns.
01:05:02.000That's what you've done fantastically, that's what you've built your brand on.
01:05:05.000And perhaps my transparency allows me to sit down and explain that my father was discharged dishonorably for not following orders and that we never even got a military pension and grew up destitute.
01:05:17.000Perhaps my transparency helps me, yes.
01:05:20.000But sometimes I see so much stuff being thrown around.
01:05:23.000I always like to think of things from the enemy's perspective.
01:05:28.000If I was them and I saw you fighting with Candace, fighting with Tucker, and then I retweet someone, and then you say I'm part of them, and they're sitting there knowing none of us are part of them, they're laughing their ass off.
01:05:40.000And I just think we have to be very conscious of that.
01:06:23.000Candace with the women, Tucker with the normies, and you know, Candace with the Normie women, I suppose, and you as well.
01:06:29.000I mean, you know, but we're talking about them in this case, and you without a doubt as well.
01:06:34.000Um, so I do believe there's room for cooperation.
01:06:37.000It's just, it's like we said before, though, if that's sort of my perspective, I'm sort of coming to Candace to join up, but she's telling me you're a racist anti-Semite and I'd like to cooperate with Tucker, but he's calling me a fed and I'm this loser and all this.
01:06:52.000It's like, so I would extend the olive branch to someone like Tucker.
01:06:56.000And me, I have such a consciousness for the team.
01:07:01.000Me and Candace have a very vicious rivalry right now.
01:07:04.000For me, it is what, and I say this, my right-handed God, it is not personality-driven, it is not ego-driven.
01:07:14.000I've called her a bitch like a hundred times, and I know you probably don't love that, but I've called her a bitch a bunch of times.
01:07:20.000I could apologize for that tomorrow, and I could sit down and have dinner and be best friends tomorrow.
01:07:26.000Um, the question is, is there that willingness on the other side To get on the same page, is there that willingness to kind of open up the space for someone who is a little bit further to the right?
01:08:10.000I truthfully, and I'm saying this from the heart, with, and I've only watched two episodes of her series.
01:08:15.000I haven't even watched the whole thing.
01:08:16.000And I didn't even watch your whole clip.
01:08:18.000But I don't see how anyone can not think that's good journalism and not think it's hilarious.
01:08:24.000I really don't think it's genuine for people to sit and say that that series was a setup somehow and she's working for the Russians somehow and that she's somehow working for the Jews because she did that.
01:08:35.000And I think that it's people disliking her, so instantly tarnishing her work.
01:08:40.000And I think that it's very important for us as professionals to be able to sit down and say, even of my worst enemy, I can sit and say, I don't like that person, but that work was good.
01:08:50.000Like, I think Matt Walsh, by and large, is not even a bad person.
01:08:54.000I think he just has no impact on the culture at all.
01:08:56.000I don't think anybody cares what he says.
01:08:58.000But when I saw some of his clips when he was making fun of the trannies, it was funny.
01:09:15.000I think it was actually very informative.
01:09:17.000And I think it was quite an interesting story.
01:09:19.000And I think that if Macron is fucking his dad, we should know.
01:09:23.000And I also think that it's fucking hilarious how triggered he is.
01:09:26.000And I would argue that normally you, if you didn't have a beef with Candace, would also be saying the same thing that this is funny and Macron's pissed and this is all hilarious.
01:09:35.000Or do you genuinely, your emotions, your feelings for Candace aside, really think that that piece of work is somehow bad work to do?
01:09:44.000Well, yeah, I mean, I, it's actually the opposite.
01:09:48.000I liked Candace last year and I hated the Brigitte Macron thing.
01:09:54.000I just didn't say anything because I didn't want to mess with her thing.
01:11:43.000And when you get down into the actual information, at the end of the day, their proof is that there's a photograph of the person they say Brigitte is as a child.
01:11:54.000And using this Chinese facial recognition, it says there's an 80% match to Brigitte Macron today.
01:12:00.000And I don't think that's super good journalism.
01:12:16.000And the reason that I even call it out, you know, why not let it alone?
01:12:20.000The reason I call it out is because one, if it's an angle from Russia or some other thing, then that needs to be called out by itself.
01:12:29.000But two, I think it's so kooky, it just makes us look bad.
01:12:33.000I think it's one of those things where maybe people watch the USS Liberty show, but then if you're talking about aliens and secret transgenders and the Frankists and, you know, space isn't real, it's like, then we just look like we're crazy.
01:13:04.000Well, perhaps this is just a personal preference thing, but I think it's extremely important if we find out that the leader of a European nation, especially the nation which just overthrew the election here, by the way, one of the most important economies on the planet.
01:13:18.000And Europe is by and large America's ally and will have to be against China for the coming decades.
01:13:24.000If there is an elite pedophile ring, which is in charge of his country, especially if you want to tie this to Epstein and everything else, and the fact that Kier Starmer is gay and all these things, the fact that we have all these homosexuals in power, I think would largely affect the culture.
01:13:38.000And we just talked about how the culture is so important.
01:13:40.000I would argue that it doesn't make us look kooky for investigating that, very much like you said.
01:13:45.000We need to, if there's smoke, there's fire.
01:13:48.000And, you know, if there's the timing is weird, or there's a string here, or there's a link there.
01:13:52.000I think that she did a fantastic job on the series.
01:14:06.000The same as Kier Starmer talking about me all day.
01:14:09.000I think it's funny these people get triggered.
01:14:11.000Maybe it's just me liking the underdog.
01:14:13.000Maybe it's just me like me liking that we have some degree of power to actually influence the emotions of these people who are suppressing us, especially in Europe so heavily.
01:14:23.000So I was just surprised by your take on that.
01:14:25.000And my conclusion in my mind was: ah, he's pretending that's not good work when it's clearly hilarious because he doesn't like Candace.
01:14:31.000And you've given your answer, which I respect.
01:14:33.000I was just highlighting why I thought that was weird because I actually thought that was a fantastic series.
01:14:38.000And I think if it turns out she is right, I think that's very important.
01:14:43.000I would argue that's extremely important.
01:14:45.000And I mean, right now we have the problem with Kier Starmer in the UK.
01:15:53.000But what I have come to learn over the years is that a lot of the things that seem random or seem like they're based on hype, they're all coordinated.
01:16:02.000And that doesn't mean that everything.
01:17:30.000I just think that that whole narrative, maybe someone gave it to her, it might be a possibility.
01:17:36.000And even to the extent that it exists in Russia, it's either kookery or it is being picked up by an intelligence agency for some reason, because it's very strange and conspicuous, the whole thing.
01:17:46.000So especially this, like this idea that the West is like satanic, pedophile, elite.
01:17:53.000I don't doubt that there's something like that going on when you look at like spirit cooking and the podestas and Pizzagate.
01:18:00.000I also think that sometimes foreign intelligence leans into narratives like that to sow discontent or dissonance inside of our society.
01:18:10.000And it's our job to discern those things.
01:18:13.000It doesn't mean that every narrative like that is fake.
01:18:16.000It doesn't mean, and you know, not every narrative like that is true.
01:19:09.000Even when I was accused of human trafficking and locked up and all this bullshit, the American right never really disliked me in any regard.
01:19:17.000Even Ben Shapiro said that Andrew is correct about the things he says, but he has some of the wrong solutions, but he's by and large correct about the problems with society.
01:19:26.000The whole American right supported me.
01:19:28.000When I first got out of jail, there was nobody on the American right who disliked me until October 8th, when I told Piers Morgan that Israel was conducting a genocide.
01:19:37.000And then the entire American right turned on me instantly, saying that I'm a degenerate because I have sex with more than one girl and that I'm a terrible person and I'm a pimp and all these things.
01:19:47.000These were accounts that were defending me the day before.
01:19:50.000And that was organized inside of Telegram groups that I've had access to and they were paid money to all instantly slander me and turn on me.
01:20:02.000I was fighting in China when the George Floyd riots were going on.
01:20:06.000And before my fight, I was watching the Chinese news and the Chinese news was saying that once again, America is in turmoil as all of its unhappy citizens riot against their oppressors.
01:20:16.000The black people hate the white people and everybody hates the government equally and everybody's dying.
01:20:21.000Did China instigate the George Floyd riots?
01:20:53.000We're in a permanent and endless state of never-ending war.
01:20:57.000And America and Europe as a whole, their only Chance of competing against China is to ally, especially China and Russia now that they're so close.
01:21:05.000So, I do believe that there has to be some degree in the European continent, some degree of interest.
01:21:09.000And I just think that perhaps, once again, I'm talking about feels an instant, my instant thoughts when I saw your takedown of the Brigitte series.
01:21:18.000I just thought, is that really genuine from Nick, or is that an attack?
01:21:22.000And once again, this is a personalist decision.
01:21:25.000This is me speaking from my personality.
01:21:28.000I wasn't the one who was attacked by them like you were, but I have been attacked by a lot of people who I still currently talk to, work with, or promote because I think it's better for the larger fight.
01:21:38.000So, I agree with everything you're saying.
01:21:40.000I understand exactly where you're coming from.
01:21:41.000I think we're better as a team if we can all manage to work together.
01:21:44.000I also think there's a degree of, you know, Hollywood and arguments and fighting.
01:21:52.000All these things are very interesting to the Anon who never has to put his face anywhere.
01:21:56.000You're never based enough for the Anon account who has nothing to risk and nothing to lose.
01:22:00.000And these people are trying to instigate the endless wars, and they like that we all argue because for them, it's entertaining.
01:22:05.000And it's also great for them to come and write on my posts or Ian Carroll's posts or anyone's posts and say, you mentioned the Jews 99 times, but you didn't mention them 100 times.
01:23:54.000So the first one I was going to ask was: looking back, what book, person, or event red-pilled you, right?
01:24:03.000And how did that change the trajectory of your content or public persona?
01:24:08.000So for me, the thing that red-pilled me, and I kind of broke it down into categories, what red-pilled me on women was reading the mystery method and a book called Conquer Your Campus when I was like graduating from high school, getting ready to go to college.
01:24:20.000Like that's what red-pilled me on women, figuring out this, you know, this whole thing about how important social status is to them and how they're looking for a small percentage of men.
01:24:28.000That's like when I found out about like the 80-20 rule, the Pareto principle, right?
01:24:34.000What red-pilled me on the Juice was 9-11 and JFK, right?
01:24:38.000No matter how you slice and dice it, there was absolutely Israeli fingerprints all over 9-11, all over the JFK assassination, especially when you look at the nuclear weapon component, which is almost never mentioned in mainstream American media.
01:24:52.000Hell, even the movie JFK by Oliver Stone did everything in their power to omit the nuclear weapons angle.
01:24:59.000And then you find out that the movie was funded by a guy named Arnon Milchan was literally Israeli intelligence from the unacknowledged nuclear program.
01:25:06.000So like they had an incentive to keep that information from Americans.
01:25:10.000And this stuff has been like suppressed for a while.
01:25:11.000So that definitely red-pilled me when it came to that.
01:25:13.000And then when it comes to money, real estate, usery, and basically central banking is what red-pilled me on money.
01:27:03.000We did it for them in service to them.
01:27:06.000And it turns out they've been massively ungrateful for that.
01:27:10.000And nearly any problem you can name, I can tie back to one thing.
01:27:14.000And it comes down to girls chasing Instagram likes instead of children and not listening to men.
01:27:20.000So I kind of came to this conclusion myself.
01:27:23.000And by and large, I had this mentality for a very long time.
01:27:27.000And I didn't really blow up on the internet until COVID when I decided to really fight back against the systems in the Matrix because COVID was complete insanity.
01:27:34.000And I was living in Sweden at the time in absolute freedom, by the way, with no mask, no vaccine, completely normal society while the rest of the world were locked in their houses.
01:28:03.000They're going to come and they're going to get us.
01:28:05.000Turns out the UK Foreign Office wrote to the Romanians, and I have that on paper.
01:28:09.000I have proof of them doing that, saying, shut this guy up.
01:28:11.000He's a national security issue because they knew that my momentum had to be stopped.
01:28:17.000And if I were to continue to red pill and continue to mobilize the young men of the world, that they would lose their grip on society.
01:28:24.000And that's why to this day, the UK government has an active warrant for my arrest because they know if I go to England, the Bruv Party will win the next election.
01:28:58.000And I wouldn't say there was any particular thing I read.
01:29:01.000A lot of it was just personal experience and tying it back to all the same problem because I believe patriarchal societies, if our society became patriarchal tomorrow, we could instantly fix 95% of the issues we currently face.
01:29:13.000And if you look at the societies which are actually succeeding now, if you look at the Middle East and the societies that are successful from a birth rate perspective, from a safety perspective, from an economic perspective, they're all patriarchal societies.
01:29:24.000And my major point I was making is that the West has now become a matriarchy.
01:29:28.000America is a matriarchal society currently as it stands right now today.
01:29:50.000But we live in this insane matriarchy where women have so much power over men and they're using it to suppress and destroy the most masculine of men, which are the ones who are going to be tasked with defending the society.
01:30:03.000So I always had this gripe with that and that alone.
01:30:06.000And it turns out that big women are as powerful as big pharma and big education and big Jew because they fucking came for me.
01:30:25.000I've been federally investigated by the American government, the British government, the Polish government, the Hungarian government, the Romanian government.
01:30:31.000No one has enough evidence to put me in jail showing I'm actually completely more innocent than the man you walk past in the mall.
01:30:37.000If anyone else went through this level of shit, they'd be in fucking jail.
01:30:40.000So also, tying back to our earlier conversation, there is part of me that thinks I've been through all this shit and then I get called a Jew and a Fed.
01:30:50.000Like, because I was the one who was red pilling the generation, I was the one who took all this risk to help everybody.
01:30:56.000And now you go on Twitter and call me these things.
01:30:59.000It does, even though you don't care, it does make you think, well, what's the point in trying then?
01:31:05.000And this is why the elites win, by the way, especially in my position.
01:31:18.000I sit here and I try and tell the truth and I try and be honest about things.
01:31:21.000And you get so little gratitude for it that I do believe when I'm talking about how our movements are subverted by the extremity on the inside of the movement.
01:31:32.000That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
01:31:34.000And as Nick continues on his run, as he becomes more and more powerful, as he does more and more fantastic things and becomes a larger and larger political force, when X amount of his own movement turn on him and start calling him a Jew for something he once said, even he's going to sit there and go, this is fucking, what the fuck am I even trying for?
01:31:50.000Why did I get debanked for these fuckers?
01:32:02.000And I just added to what you were saying, because you were saying like, you know, obviously patriarchies just win in general.
01:32:06.000And I would argue COVID was also like a big red pill because since women tend to defer to the masses, the fact that we locked down, the fact that we had all these scares, that I think is very indicative of how much we value the communitarian nature of the reason they're so scared of me and the reason they're trying to get rid of me is because when you have women in charge of a society, you can use emotional arguments.
01:32:32.000You put women in charge and then you use an emotional argument to manipulate the women and the women yell at their husbands and Matt Walsh says, okay, and then they sit at home all day and that's what happens.
01:32:41.000So COVID was one big emotional argument, but grandma was the fucking argument for locking us all in our house for years.
01:33:14.000And the primary objective of the Matrix, and I'm fighting a different fight than Nick and a different fight from you, but I truly believe the reason they are so hard on trying to make sure in every movie, in the culture, in the law, and all of these mechanisms that women are above men is because they can simply scare the women or use an emotional argument on the women.
01:33:33.000And if they're in charge of society, then they have absolute control over the society and they don't need to convince us of anything.
01:33:54.000So I went to war against that because I saw it was all just a matriarchal mindset.
01:33:59.000And maybe I level deeper, yeah, perhaps there's not perhaps certainly there are groups and people who are doing this on purpose and weaponizing women against men.
01:34:09.000They've certainly weaponized women against me.
01:34:11.000I mean, I'm the fucking, from personal experience, they call a thousand women who know me and they find one idiot and I get dragged to jail.
01:34:18.000I mean, they certainly weaponize women against me.
01:34:20.000So perhaps women are not the tip of the spear.
01:34:27.000But that's where all of my mindset came from.
01:34:29.000And That's why I was on the crusade I was on.
01:34:32.000And a lot of people misinterpreted, and a lot of stupid people in my own movement misunderstood me and thought that means that you can beat the shit out of women or shoot them or run around, you know, and all these crazy things, which once again gets applied to me.
01:34:58.000Yeah, I got red pilled back in 2016, and it was a process like it is for everybody.
01:35:04.000I was a basic bitch conservative when I was in high school because I read all the libertarian stuff and I read all the conservative and neoconservative stuff.
01:35:13.000And I was just your, I was a Ben Shapiro fan, enough said.
01:36:12.000I'm saying, but they fought four wars of extermination against Israel.
01:36:17.000Like Israel is this island of civilization and a sea of barbarians, all the usual shit.
01:36:24.000And he fought back and made the case for the Palestinians and for the Arabs and all this.
01:36:29.000And I said, Wow, that's really interesting.
01:36:32.000And what really did it for me is I got to the point in college.
01:36:35.000There were a number of other things that happened to me over time, but I got to the point in college where I said, Is it all a Jewish conspiracy?
01:36:43.000And I thought to myself, There's got to be an argument that it isn't.
01:36:47.000Like there must, like, are they really suppressing this truth?
01:36:51.000There's got to be like a book out there that debunks all this stuff.
01:36:54.000And then what really did it for me is that on 9-11 in 2016, during the election, if you remember, Hillary Clinton was like not well.
01:37:40.000But if she has pneumonia, why is she hugging this kid?
01:37:43.000And everyone in the media lied about it.
01:37:45.000And in that moment, I knew if they could lie about this, they could lie about anything because they're willing and they're able to lie.
01:37:53.000And if people are not willing to investigate it or dig deeper because of censorship, because of, you know, it's regulated press, I said, then they could lie about all this stuff.
01:38:02.000And that for me, that's when I realized this like benefit of the doubt could not be afforded to any narrative because that's really what it is.
01:38:11.000No one has investigated the vast majority of people at that point had not investigated the 9-11 truth movement or the Holocaust or Israel or any of these things.
01:38:22.000All they had was the benefit of the doubt.
01:38:31.000And I said, if they could lie about something that I saw with my own eyes, then we can't afford the official narrative the benefit of the doubt on any of these things.
01:38:43.000It was just kind of this gradual noticing and kind of taking this tenuous frame, you know, for how to perceive things and just seeing it confirmed over and over.
01:38:54.000And then when I saw that, I said, it's totally plausible that they're covering it up.
01:39:00.000So that perfectly dovetails into my next question.
01:39:02.000So my next question is, what was your first comment, tweet, video, or anything else that forever puts you in the controversial category?
01:39:12.000And I'll go first on this one, then turn it to you guys.
01:39:15.000The thing that got me automatically put in the box of, you know, misogynists or whatever, which is kind of like how all this started was back in 2020.
01:39:24.000I made a comment saying, if woman flakes on a date, you need to punish that bad behavior and she's got to go ahead and pay for the first round of drinks when you guys meet up on the reschedule, right?
01:39:35.000And like the view and a bunch of, you know, left-wing shows looked at it like, what, are we dogs?
01:39:41.000This guy's over here saying you got to, you got to punish bad behavior.
01:39:44.000But what I was really doing was I was telling guys, like, you can't accept poor behavior from women and reward it.
01:39:49.000So you got to, you know, if she makes a mistake, you got to make her pay for that.
01:39:53.000And they obviously likened it to training a dog, which hey, maybe that's what I meant.
01:39:57.000But the point is, is that after I made that comment, because it went viral on TikTok, it got millions of views.
01:40:01.000And this is right after I had left the government, right?
01:40:03.000I wasn't even on the internet like that.
01:40:05.000And this is back when TikTok still had an organic, you know, sharing ability with the algorithm.
01:40:11.000So I would say that was the first thing that kind of got me in there.
01:40:14.000And then obviously a bunch of other things I said about women and, you know, top H and all this other shit.
01:40:19.000But I would say that's the one thing that like started it.
01:40:23.000I know you guys probably have a couple of things that like put you on the map, but what would you guys say is the most controversial thing you said that put you in this box forever?
01:40:34.000Nick, most controversial thing that got me in there.
01:40:38.000There was a lot of things over the years, you know, one thing after the next.
01:40:42.000I would say it was the cookie joke is really what did it because, you know, and it's so stupid.
01:40:48.000It's always the dumbest shit, isn't it?
01:40:50.000It's never like your actual good jokes, your favorite jokes.
01:40:54.000It's always the stupid shit that they use.
01:40:56.000And, you know, at that point, so, you know, I got canceled in 2017 for just a lot of nonsense.
01:41:04.000And I was young and I wasn't very big.
01:41:18.000And what they used to kind of shoot me out of the sky was this joke where some super chatter sent in, they said, well, if the cookie monster has 6 million cookies, how long does it take to, you know, whatever?
01:41:30.000And they used that to frame me as a Holocaust denier.
01:41:34.000So up until that point, you know, they could have said I was all right.
01:43:01.000The next day, 400 different Instagram accounts had the same post and the same caption saying I was dangerous and misogynistic and homophobic and racist all at once.
01:43:15.000I didn't even say anything homophobic or racist.
01:44:14.000If you tell men to have standards for themselves, you're now an enemy of the system because they don't want men to have any degree of standard.
01:44:21.000And that's where the right-wing Christians and the Catholics hate me because they're basically saying, don't have standards.
01:44:27.000They're saying, meet a woman and marry her and do the right thing.
01:44:29.000Well, she's probably a fucking whore, bro.
01:44:50.000Some whores have come out and accused me of bullshit.
01:44:53.000Have any of the women with my kids or the women I'm close with betrayed me, let me down, or have they all stuck by me the entire way through?
01:45:00.000Like I have good women around me with good loyalty inside of them.
01:45:06.000But as soon as I told men to have any degree of standard for themselves and not instantly accept women and all their bad decisions, the entire system had a meltdown.
01:45:17.000And I think that's what really red-pilled me and made me realize that, yeah, big women's a thing.
01:46:21.000And I think a lot of people underestimate how much trouble you can get in for just saying as a man that you're allowed to have standards and you're allowed to expect loyalty and integrity from females.
01:46:31.000And for the same reason, you don't want disloyal men around you.
01:46:34.000You don't want disloyal women around you.
01:46:36.000And their pasts do matter because if someone was a thief their whole life, they're going to continue to steal.
01:46:41.000And if they were a whore their whole life, they'll continue to be a whore.
01:46:43.000And all of these things are very valid.
01:46:45.000But for some reason, you cannot say them.
01:46:46.000And at the time, the internet was a lot more controlled.
01:46:49.000Nick, Nick, with all due respect, was you barely saw him.
01:46:55.000And I was around a little bit, but Kamala was in charge and all these things.
01:46:59.000And they did their very best to get rid of me.
01:47:02.000So that's when I really realized that they are very threatened by the basic idea of masculine integrity, sovereignty, and honor and strength.
01:47:12.000They're threatened by men who are not afraid of them.
01:47:17.000They're threatened by men who do not bend to peer pressure.
01:47:19.000I got a question for you, Nick, because when it comes to women, me and Tate have a very similar ideology: get sexual experience, increase your net worth, become the highest status you can be, and then kind of have your pick of the litter and get to a position where female sexual leverage can no longer control you, right?
01:47:41.000You have a huge young audience that follows you.
01:47:44.000Obviously, on one end, you have the Catholic mindset where, you know, monogamy, one wife, et cetera.
01:47:51.000But on the other hand, we know the realities of modern women now in 2025 versus 1955.
01:47:56.000And a lot of people that are your kind of counterparts, like I'm Matt Walsh, et cetera, Advocate for the monogamy style, despite the fact that we're dealing with modern women.
01:48:05.000So, as a guy that's like religious, right?
01:48:08.000That's religious, but still based on what modern women are.
01:49:35.000Have more kids, all this kind of stuff.
01:49:37.000And my message to the young men is you really got to get solid before you consider marriage.
01:49:44.000And when you get married, it's got to be an extremely judicious decision.
01:49:48.000You know, if you're going to have a wife, and I believe you should have one wife, you got to pick the right one.
01:49:54.000And when you pick the right one, you got to lay the ground rules early.
01:49:57.000You know, a lot of these young Catholic men, they're so taken by the women because they have no experience with them that they become simps and the women run their shit.
01:51:06.000And if I'm ever going to get married, the arrangement is not going to be that I'm getting nagged, that I'm getting told what to do, that I'm checking in with my wife.
01:51:14.000It's like, you're going to do your fucking obligations.
01:51:17.000You're going to leave me alone and you're going to be my wife.
01:51:44.000I mean, look, you know, you want to fuck them and everything, but like, do I, when I think about I want to go out and have the best time of my life, I think I want to go with my best male friend.
01:51:53.000I want to go with my best male friend who's intellectual and intelligent and risk-taking and that.
01:52:00.000I don't think like, oh, we're going to go on a trip.
01:52:02.000You know what make this really awesome?
01:52:04.000If my wife were here, if my fucking wife were alive, you know, and here's the litmus test.
01:52:10.000If there is no possibility of sex at all, are you still going to have a great time with a woman?
01:52:39.000It doesn't come across all the time, but that's kind of my, you know, maybe my fence-sitting position.
01:52:45.000I'm spiritually with Tate, but by law, I'm with Matt Walsh, I guess.
01:52:49.000And that's kind of why I wanted to ask you that so much because, and Andrew, me and you have had private conversations on this stuff for years, how much women annoy us and stuff like that.
01:52:57.000And I find it interesting that, and I'm going to turn it to you, Andrew, that they call us gay.
01:53:01.000They call us weird because we don't enjoy the company of women.
01:53:03.000We'd rather be around like-minded guys that are higher IQ so that we can make each other sharper.
01:53:07.000But then normies will sit there and be like, you don't want to be around women?
01:53:11.000Like it's retarded, but go ahead, Andrew.
01:53:14.000Yeah, I think white people especially have a very precarious scenario because they're on the risk of basically simping themselves into extinction.
01:53:21.000Like whenever I see these OnlyFans girls say, I made a million dollars in a day, I know there's not a single nigger who sent her a dollar.
01:53:50.000They pretend to be loyal, but perhaps they can't do any better or they're scared of getting divorce raped.
01:53:54.000They're not even actually genuinely loyal.
01:53:57.000So white people are in a really precarious scenario because they're the only ones who listen to women at all.
01:54:01.000And they're on the verge of basically simping themselves into extinction.
01:54:04.000The OnlyFans girl who just extorted Shannon Sharp and sued him for sexual assault and took all his money, took $10 million and quit her OnlyFans.
01:54:15.000All her stories now on Instagram are the Bible and Catholic Church because she just got a fucking payout and now she's walking around there.
01:54:23.000And I guess what it's going to be some little white boy Catholic who meets her, holds her hand and says, I can't believe that big black man did those evil things to you.
01:54:30.000You definitely didn't want him to fuck you like that, you poor thing.
01:54:33.000Love you, darling, and maybe get one kid out of it before he gets divorced raped and end up fucking sending money to some other OnlyFans girls.
01:55:10.000And I made that decision to do those things so I can have 25 children because I believe that's the most important thing to do.
01:55:15.000But doing that has alienated a huge swath of people doing that.
01:55:20.000You then say I'm a bad person because I'm not married and I don't have one wife and I'm not Catholic and that I am a terrible Jew for some reason, not understanding that their mindset is the reason they are being replaced in their countries and they are simping themselves to extinction.
01:55:34.000They write to me that I'm a bad person with one hand and click pornhub.com with the other fucking hand and jerk off the girls who are actually human trafficked.
01:55:42.000So the whole thing is so hypocritical and stupid.
01:55:45.000But by and large, yeah, there was a pretty simple societal contract, which has now been broken.
01:55:53.000I'll protect and provide for you and you'll do as I say.
01:55:56.000And that's now been broken and women don't want to listen.
01:55:59.000And men are still expected from the TRADCONS at least to do all the work with none of the rewards.
01:56:04.000And I think, as Nick quite correctly pointed out, it's very jealous.
01:56:07.000It's very dangerous to tell young men to go and sign up for that deal, especially when the full force of the law will come down anytime she wants and destroy the guy.
01:56:25.000But we also have a lot of things to do when it comes down to the simple fact that we need people to have families that they're proud of that they can reproduce within without being completely fucking decimated emotionally, financially, and most importantly, spiritually.
01:56:39.000No man is going to go to war for his country if he doesn't feel like the king of his own house.
01:56:43.000If he comes home and his wife doesn't listen to him and he's getting fucking henpecked, he ain't going to go and defend that street or defend that town.
01:57:33.000It's extremely difficult, but it is a conundrum that must be solved.
01:57:38.000So, my next question, and this might be a little bit more in-depth, but obviously, we talked about with you, Andrew, your comments on women in roughly 2021.
01:57:50.000You, Nick, the cookie monster comment getting ostracized by conservative media.
01:57:55.000At what moment did you say, okay, now I'm 10 toes down on this, right?
01:58:01.000Like, what made you say, okay, this experience right here, I'm 10 toes down.
01:58:06.000I could kind of go through me and then turn it over to you guys.
01:58:08.000For me, as you know, Nick, me and you had been talking about this for what, well over two years now, right?
01:58:15.000And I credit a lot of my knowledge on this topic of us being, you know, subverted to discussions I had with you, discussions I had with Ryan Dawson, and many others.
01:58:24.000And at the end of 2023, when I got demonetized, banned off a bunch of different platforms, et cetera, for talking about this, because we were talking about this before October 7th.
01:58:32.000I want to make it very clear, just to add more credits to what you've been going through, Nick.
01:58:36.000If you talked about Israel, Zionism, any of this stuff, prior to 10-7, you were pretty much guaranteed to be cooked off any mainstream social media platform, right?
01:58:47.000So we talked about it before then, and then what ended up happening is I got all this shit happening, right?
01:58:54.000So the thing that made me say, you know what, fuck it, was when I started seeing limbs of kids getting blown off.
01:59:00.000When I started seeing that we were paying for literally what's going on right now is a genocide.
01:59:04.000I think it's irrefutable now that what's going on is a genocide.
01:59:06.000Every single scholar that's a genocide scholar, hell, even Holocaust researchers are coming out and saying this is a genocide.
01:59:14.000I said it on October 8th and got 11 months back in jail for it.
01:59:25.000So for me, after I saw what happened and how Israel responded and used our tax dollars to literally wage not just a war in Gaza, but to conduct a war throughout the entire Middle East, right?
01:59:35.000Like they've been doing with, you know, a lot of these, like the Clean Rape Mum or whatever.
02:00:03.000And there was really just no other option for me, you know, because I basically got canceled within four months of starting my career, three months.
02:00:50.000People don't even realize people forget that.
02:00:52.000And that's why I think I don't get enough credit because back in 17, it was like you had to be on board with like limitless immigration and like gay marriage and feminism to be in the right wing to have a job.
02:01:06.000Like I remember there were people at like Daily Caller that thought they were based because they would sneak in like the, you know, the most entry-level red pill or something in an article or whatever.
02:01:17.000So I basically made the decision I was going to have to kind of build my own thing.
02:01:23.000I was going to have to do my own thing and change the culture, either make my scene on the outside So big, or by existing on the outside, change the inside.
02:01:35.000And that is, that is what happened either with some of my influence or probably just due to the course of events on some level.
02:02:25.000And which like nowadays it's like, OK, that's like 101.
02:02:29.000But the lady who oversaw the class, she was an immigrant herself.
02:02:34.000She tanked my application the first day.
02:02:37.000And so I said, wow, I can't even get an entry level job at like this bumfuck like nonprofit or whatever, creating Leadership Institute chapters on college campuses.
02:02:49.000I was like, if I can't get a job here, this is really cooked.
02:02:52.000I got fired from RSBN like a week later.
02:03:25.000And I don't think people understand how much of a career destruction it is to be a political commentator in conservative media and not be supportive of Israel.
02:03:39.000So I just wanted to add a little bit more credit to what you're saying here, because until you go into that field and you see what's going on, you'll never understand how bad they will blackball you if you don't have the right opinion about Israel.
02:03:54.000And this is me coming in as an outsider observing this.
02:03:58.000And I don't think you get enough credit for talking about this shit for so long and literally losing everything for it, dude, because conservative media is absolutely fucking run by them.
02:04:12.000No, you're absolutely right, because it's an indefensible position by this point to still be defending Israel.
02:04:19.000And a lot of the mainstream conservative influencers are still trying to do it.
02:04:23.000In fact, it's tanked conservatism as a whole.
02:04:26.000I would argue that this whole Israel-Palestine debate has destroyed the whole idea of conservatism as a whole, because I have nothing against Charlie Kirk, for example.
02:04:51.000And the fact that they still try to do it, even though it's a completely indefensible position, shows how afraid they are of the blackballing and of the backlash.
02:04:58.000My mentality was, I guess, perhaps I came to this conclusion, which isn't completely correct.
02:05:05.000But I like to believe that our enemies, although they're evil, they're not particularly special individuals.
02:05:14.000They're evil people, but they're not great people.
02:05:16.000And this was my conclusion from going from a Luton council estate, a single mother household, mixed race guy, all the way up to like the Bugatti owners club and hundreds of millions of dollars.
02:05:25.000And my entire way up the chain, I was like, so where's the good people at?
02:05:41.000And it came to this conclusion that somehow all of the people who have agency amongst themselves, who are unafraid of the cancellation and peer pressure, who are charismatic, who are mentally strong.
02:05:54.000These people always seem to be on the right side.
02:05:57.000And all the people who are on the wrong side, although they may have power on paper, are very un-extraordinary immigrants.
02:06:21.000And then I added all this in with trying to encourage men to be charismatic, to say what they need to say in a way that people are going to agree with them.
02:06:29.000I like me and you have done it on Fresh and Fit.
02:06:31.000We'll sit down, talk to a bunch of whores.
02:06:32.000And by the end of it, have them saying, yeah, I'm a whore.
02:06:37.000So by trying to just encourage masculine strength and care, charisma in the by and large, I was trying to bring people over to our side of the fight because I think our enemies are actually the most unimpressive people on the planet.
02:06:50.000So once I felt like that was the way out, I just doubled down on it.
02:07:32.000And knowing what you know now, how would you reframe it?
02:07:37.000I can go ahead and go first here on this one.
02:07:39.000So one of the positions that people always get fucking pissed off at me about is I say, you need to have sex with 50 women before you, you know, start thinking about even getting married, right?
02:07:47.000Make six figures a year, have at least half a year of savings in a bank account somewhere, be in good shape.
02:07:54.000Obviously be 35 years old or older and then have 50 women.
02:07:57.000Now, no one really argues with me about the four things I mentioned before, but when I talk about having sex with 50 girls, people really harp in on that 50 number and say that's degenerate, blah, blah, blah.
02:08:05.000But the reason why I say that is because I want guys to be in a position where sex is no longer novel to them, right?
02:08:11.000So that they can be in a position of dominance where their girl can't leverage sex against them for compliance, right?
02:08:16.000This happy wife, happy life bullshit, right?
02:08:18.000Just because I understand how feminism and modern women in general have changed the dating dynamic or the marriage dynamic to even to the point where we got people that are religious like Nick that can even acknowledge it.
02:08:28.000So a lot of people mischaracterize that position.
02:08:30.000It's like, oh, it's got to be a hard 50.
02:09:28.000It's kind of like my new thing because I talk to these people and they're anticipating me to be like a raging, a caricature of a skinhead or something like that.
02:09:39.000And when it really comes down to it, with regard to all these different issues, I think that what is called far right, what is called anti-Semitic, what is called white supremacist, it's really just reality.
02:09:51.000You know, I had a clip that went viral over the past couple of weeks where I'm talking about black people in Chicago.
02:09:57.000And we emerged from a time recently where there was so much political correctness around the subject of race and race relations between blacks and whites.
02:10:08.000And so I think the conversation is sufficient now.
02:10:11.000People see my take and what I'm saying is like, look, the city is a shithole.
02:10:16.000And it's a shithole because you got carjackings happening all the time.
02:10:20.000It's because you have this like impropriety everywhere.
02:10:23.000You know, we talk about black people in America.
02:10:26.000People talk about fatigue, you know, fatigue from dealing with Black people.
02:10:31.000It's like we all know in our lived experience in our day-to-day, what we can expect from black people is people being inconsiderate, people being rude, aggressive, menacing, not following the rules.
02:10:43.000And that's kind of always been my position.
02:10:46.000It's like, you know, on some level, people look at a person like myself or others and they think we want to ship all the black people out of America.
02:10:54.000We want to kill them all or something like that.
02:10:56.000And it's like, they've been here forever.
02:11:23.000So, you know, that's just like one example.
02:11:25.000I think that we really just need to return to common sense and not like the gay common sense like Donald Trump, where, you know, he says common sense is like no transgenderism.
02:11:34.000I'm talking about like old school racism being common sense, where it's like, yeah, we all know not all black people are bad.
02:11:43.000We also know what's going on with them, you know, and yeah, we don't have some weird desire to like dominate women or, you know, bully them.
02:11:51.000But we're also like, yeah, they're, they kind of need to be put in their place.
02:12:33.000Yeah, taking trips to Israel when they should be figuring out the Epstein file, shit like that.
02:12:37.000And I'll tell you this, Nick, like it's funny to me because, you know, people that aren't familiar with you or whatever, one of the first things they say is, you're friends with a white supremacist.
02:12:45.000And I'm like, you know, this guy hates black people.
02:13:26.000They do it on purpose and they know exactly what they're doing.
02:13:29.000They take something you've said and they take a small part of it and they take it out of context and they repeat it over and over and over again.
02:13:34.000As I said, the whole Christian, even the Jewish right wing, no one had a problem with me really till I talked about October 8th and they had a huge issue with me all of a sudden.
02:13:43.000And it was all instant and overnight and it changed instantly and completely.
02:14:05.000The things we're pointing out are simply very well-known pattern recognition and people are too afraid to say them.
02:14:10.000But I don't think any of my viewpoints are genuinely misunderstood.
02:14:14.000I don't believe I could have said them in any other way to make people understand them.
02:14:18.000I believe no matter how I said it, they would have taken it, twisted it, and weaponized it.
02:14:22.000And one of the things that's most important you have to understand about the world is when they weaponize things against you, they always weaponize virtue.
02:14:29.000They're not going to weaponize the fact that, you know, they're not going to sit there and pretend that you're a bad person unless they get to be a great person.
02:14:36.000So they're going to come along and pretend they give a shit about women so much so they can attack me.
02:14:40.000And they're going to come along and pretend they give a fuck about the Holocaust so they can attack Mick and you guys and me.
02:14:44.000It's all just weaponized virtue garbage.
02:14:46.000It's the oldest trick in the book, but a lot of people still fall for it.
02:14:50.000So if you're going to tell the truth in this world, if you're going to sit there and say, yeah, this is the actual reality of what's happening, you're always going to get pinned with some bullshit, no matter how you say it.
02:14:59.000And the most important thing you can do is not give a fucking double down.
02:15:03.000Every time I got in trouble, the BBC used to print articles about my emergency meetings when I said racist words.
02:15:09.000So then I started saying them 15 times a show so many times that they can't print it anymore.
02:15:13.000You can't do the same article every fucking day, nigger.
02:15:19.000And a lot of people are afraid to do that because of the backlash.
02:15:21.000But no matter what you try and do and say, they're just going to attack you with it all day long.
02:15:26.000Speaking of mischaracterized positions, and I kind of want to throw this to Nick real quick because I think I've been seeing so many people talk about this and I don't think they give you a fair shot.
02:15:34.000So we got a lot of people watching right now.
02:15:35.000By the way, guys, if you're watching on Fresh Fit, I'm going to switch over to Myron Gaines X on both Rumble and YouTube.
02:16:04.000And I make sense, but I don't think like people have give you a fair shot when you give your criticisms of Trump and his running mate, J.D. Vance.
02:16:12.000And I want to give you credit as well because you called it April of last year that JD was going to be the vice president.
02:16:18.000And then boom, fast forward to July in the RNC and he gets, you know, put in there.
02:16:22.000Because I remember I was there, right?
02:16:23.000And the first thing he's talking about is attacking Iran, punch him in the nose.
02:16:27.000So I think it's pretty much undisputed now in the right wing conservative media that your predictions have been damn near flawless.
02:16:35.000So if you could kind of just go over, because I think a lot of people mischaracterize your position on Trump and on J.D. Vance.
02:16:40.000I'll kind of just throw it to you there.
02:16:42.000And you can just take it wherever you want.
02:16:43.000And guys, come on over to Myron Gaines X on Everywhere on Rumble, YouTube, whatever.
02:16:48.000I'm going to end the FreshFit stuff, but go ahead, Nick.
02:17:13.000And then at the same time, you have to keep the Pareto principle in mind, the 80-20 principle, which is that like 80% of the population is scum.