Fresh & Fit - Myron x Tate x Fuentes

00:22:30.000 All right, we are live, guys.

00:22:31.000 What's up?

00:22:32.000 Welcome, welcome, welcome.

00:22:33.000 Welcome to the stream.

00:22:34.000 Sorry for delay, guys.

00:22:36.000 I had to get some things going on in the background, make sure I wouldn't lag.

00:22:39.000 But welcome, man.

00:22:41.000 Andrew, Nick, you guys got me?

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 What's up, guys?

00:22:46.000 Welcome, man.

00:22:48.000 Sorry for delay, guys.

00:22:49.000 I guess I'll, bro, people have been asking for this for a very long time, literally years.

00:22:56.000 And I know that we got something else cooking up for the guys, you know, in about a month or whatever.

00:23:00.000 But I'm pretty sure everybody knows who you guys are.

00:23:02.000 But if you guys want to kind of kick off and introduce yourself, and they're saying, hold on, I'll fix my mic.

00:23:09.000 You guys go ahead.

00:23:12.000 Hopefully, you can hear us.

00:23:15.000 We're late, and I don't want to say whose fault it is, but it wasn't me, and he's brown. 0.99

00:23:21.000 So it worked out.

00:23:23.000 No, he's done a fantastic job with all the tech and stuff.

00:23:26.000 I think this is going to be an interesting conversation.

00:23:28.000 We're going to agree on a lot of things, but hopefully, we can find some points of contention.

00:23:33.000 Because you know what?

00:23:34.000 I think Nick has done a pretty good job of debating pretty much everyone, as have I. So it's been a while since we've had a sparring match where we might actually get hit with something that makes us think.

00:23:44.000 So it's going to be very interesting.

00:23:46.000 Very interesting.

00:23:47.000 So we'll have to find those points of contention.

00:23:49.000 And perhaps we're going to end up agreeing with mainly everything, but I feel like there's a few small points we can knuckle down on.

00:23:57.000 All right.

00:23:58.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 So I'll turn it on.

00:24:00.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:24:02.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:24:03.000 No, no, go ahead.

00:24:03.000 Go ahead.

00:24:05.000 Yeah, I was going to say, you know, I've been a fan, Andrew, for a long time.

00:24:10.000 We've talked before.

00:24:10.000 We talked on the election stream and we've done some other things.

00:24:14.000 So I do think there's a lot of in you know, I saw your tweet the other day, and you know, I think the Groipers took it a certain way. 1.00

00:24:24.000 I took it a certain way, but the fundamental point, I think we're in agreement.

00:24:28.000 But I think that probably by the end of it, we're going to be on the same side on this.

00:24:33.000 So, but yeah, we'll throw some stuff in there just to make it fun.

00:24:36.000 We got to make it fun.

00:24:38.000 So maybe we'll find something to disagree about.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, I mean, my basic philosophy on it all, and I guess we can talk about it.

00:24:45.000 And I feel, you know, I try and stay very much in my lane.

00:24:48.000 People think of me as unhinged, and I like to argue that I'm actually the absolute opposite.

00:24:52.000 And the Groiper movement is not my movement. 0.99

00:24:55.000 It's yours.

00:24:56.000 You're on a generational run.

00:24:57.000 You're doing fantastic work.

00:24:59.000 The internet is yours.

00:25:01.000 Twitter is yours.

00:25:02.000 That can't be debated.

00:25:04.000 And you should be very proud of yourself for that.

00:25:06.000 When I said what I said, and if I read it here verbatim, I said the Groipers speak like a conquered people. 1.00

00:25:14.000 The point I was making is that I feel, and this isn't even necessarily your fault because in all movements, there's going to be varying degrees of extremity and extremism inside of it.

00:25:24.000 But what often happens is, especially with me, I will say something often about women or white people reproducing, something along those lines. 0.96

00:25:34.000 And the Groipers will jump in to call me a nigger and say that I work for the Jews, as opposed to understand the point I'm trying to make.

00:25:42.000 When I say that, you know, it doesn't matter what laws we pass, it doesn't matter what legislation goes through the Congress.

00:25:49.000 If white people don't have babies, you're soon to be replaced. 0.99

00:25:52.000 The answer I get is, ah, but the Jews made the white women not listen to us. 1.00

00:25:57.000 And my answer to it is: well, now you sound like a conquered class.

00:26:00.000 You sound like a conquered people.

00:26:02.000 If the Jews are really trying so hard to subvert you from having children, then the correct answer is to have as many children as possible. 1.00

00:26:09.000 The correct answer to my tweet is: they tried to stop me from having a bunch of white kids, but I did have a bunch of white kids.

00:26:17.000 Look what I've achieved, irregardless of their attempts to subvert me, because I cannot be controlled.

00:26:23.000 And there's a lot, there's a big difference between noticing a problem and using a problem as a cure-all excuse for your own personal circumstances.

00:26:31.000 And I've spoken absolutes because I often do, and I've said no Jew stops you going to the gym, which is a massive oversimplification.

00:26:38.000 But the point I was making was: there's a lot.

00:26:44.000 Have I gone?

00:26:44.000 No, no, no, you're here.

00:26:45.000 You're here.

00:26:45.000 Just turn your camera on.

00:26:48.000 Hit the thing. 1.00

00:26:50.000 Hold on.

00:26:51.000 Let me.

00:26:52.000 Because it was lagging.

00:26:53.000 That's why I was.

00:26:57.000 God.

00:26:58.000 Okay.

00:26:58.000 There we go.

00:26:59.000 I got issues.

00:27:00.000 Yeah.

00:27:00.000 I got.

00:27:00.000 Yeah.

00:27:01.000 I don't know what it is, but yeah.

00:27:03.000 Okay.

00:27:03.000 You're back on.

00:27:04.000 I'm back.

00:27:05.000 Can you hear me?

00:27:06.000 Yeah, I can hear you.

00:27:07.000 So, and Nick, I don't know if you could like turn your camera off, then turn it back on.

00:27:11.000 I think that might fix the lag.

00:27:13.000 But go ahead, Andrew.

00:27:14.000 they can still hear you guys, though.

00:27:15.000 Fine, I think that fixed it.

00:27:19.000 It's less laggy.

00:27:21.000 Okay, well, yeah, the point I was making is that you know, we have to make a very important distinction here.

00:27:28.000 And if we're going to notice there's a problem with influence of the American government, which I've never disagreed with, which in fact I have spoken up for and agreed with you on basically everything and promoted all of your clips saying exactly that, there is a large distinction between noticing a problem and highlighting it and combating against it and using as an excuse to fail in life.

00:27:52.000 And I feel like some of the groipers, not all, some sound a bit like the blacks talking about the system. 0.99

00:27:58.000 And I know plenty of those.

00:28:00.000 And that's the point I was trying to make: that nobody can stop you winning if you want to win.

00:28:05.000 That's the point I was making.

00:28:06.000 I don't have a large problem with the movement on mass.

00:28:12.000 Yeah, I mean, I do agree.

00:28:15.000 I don't think it's the Groipers, though.

00:28:17.000 I think there does need to be a distinction made between what we would call colloquially on the right wing, we call them the Wignats.

00:28:25.000 I don't know if you've ever heard that term before, but we call them Wignats.

00:28:28.000 It stands for Wigger Nationalist. 1.00

00:28:31.000 Wigger, meaning, you know. 1.00

00:28:33.000 And the reason we call them Wiggers as opposed to Groipers or something else is because you're right. 1.00

00:28:39.000 I would say that what Black people, what is typified by Black people, is this sort of victim mentality that says, oh, is it because I'm Black? 1.00

00:28:49.000 Oh, you only have a problem, me because I'm Black.

00:28:52.000 Oh, you know, keeping the Black man down. 1.00

00:28:54.000 All this kind of stuff.

00:28:55.000 The reason we call them Wigger nationalists is because they have kind of adopted the worst aspects of Black identity politics, which is to say, oh, you have a problem because I'm white. 1.00

00:29:07.000 Oh, they're keeping the white man down.

00:29:09.000 Oh, well, they'll just call us racist.

00:29:11.000 Well, they'll just call us Nazis.

00:29:13.000 And my attitude towards the problem is always they can't stop us.

00:29:19.000 If you go like I did and tell the truth directly and articulately, and you don't let them suppress you, at the end of the day, they really can't stop you.

00:29:30.000 I think I'm living proof of that.

00:29:32.000 And I encourage all my followers, don't make excuses.

00:29:35.000 Don't go around and say, oh, it's because I'm white.

00:29:38.000 Oh, well, they'll never let you say that.

00:29:40.000 They'll never let you do that.

00:29:42.000 They'll say you're racist.

00:29:44.000 I say, try and stop us.

00:29:45.000 What do you mean, let?

00:29:47.000 They're not going to let us.

00:29:48.000 We're going to do whatever we want.

00:29:50.000 And so I tell my followers, get as intelligent as you can, read books, learn languages, learn a musical instrument, go to the gym, get physically fit.

00:29:59.000 I tell people, get into the best college you can.

00:30:02.000 And if you're not interested in going that route and networking, then be an entrepreneur, make as much money as possible, infiltrate politics.

00:30:10.000 But I guess where I would diverge slightly if we're to get into, because I think we're in total agreement on that, and I'm with you 100%.

00:30:18.000 I just would say the grow there.

00:30:20.000 I'm sure there's some Groipers that are saying something like that. 1.00

00:30:23.000 I would call that wignat, this like chest beating.

00:30:27.000 Oh, it's because I'm white.

00:30:28.000 They're keeping the white man down.

00:30:30.000 You know, they are keeping the white man down, but we have to be worthy of our ancestors as white men and say, we don't need permission.

00:30:38.000 We don't need to ask for permission.

00:30:40.000 We're not going to let them get in our way.

00:30:42.000 They're going to do bullshit to us, but we have to find a way to overcome.

00:30:46.000 I guess where I would diverge slightly, because I hear this all the time, and directionally, I suppose I agree.

00:30:53.000 But, you know, when you talk about the birth rates, you're 100% right that the birth rates are a problem.

00:30:58.000 The white people are not having kids. 0.70

00:31:00.000 And if the white people don't have kids, it's over. 0.62

00:31:03.000 We're going to be replaced.

00:31:05.000 And I hear people say this to me all the time.

00:31:07.000 They say, you need to have kids.

00:31:09.000 And I plan on doing that.

00:31:10.000 I plan on getting married and having kids at some point.

00:31:13.000 I guess where I would depart, even from my fellow white people who say this, is that there is something structural happening where I don't believe the answer is that we're going to tell ourselves we all need to start having kids because How many people are even political?

00:31:33.000 How many people are aware of the white genocide?

00:31:35.000 How many people are going to have kids as a response to this problem? 0.58

00:31:40.000 It's a very, very tiny number.

00:31:42.000 And it's not to say that we shouldn't contribute to the solution, but it is to say that we fundamentally must engage in politics.

00:31:50.000 It's sort of like chess.

00:31:51.000 You know, all the pawns could simultaneously wake up one day and say, we need to have more white babies. 1.00

00:31:58.000 We need to have kids.

00:31:59.000 I think that's highly unlikely.

00:32:01.000 We need to strike at the king.

00:32:03.000 We need a regime.

00:32:04.000 We need to engage in politics.

00:32:06.000 And I don't just mean like voting.

00:32:08.000 I mean, we need to become resourceful, influential, rich, run media, be entrepreneurs, you know, pay politicians to run for office.

00:32:18.000 And we need to use politics to change society.

00:32:21.000 Because when you look at the strategy of like the Jews, as an example, they're 2% of the population, but they have this extraordinary influence.

00:32:29.000 That's because they go for the locus of power.

00:32:32.000 They're in LA, they're in New York City, they're in DC.

00:32:35.000 These are the most powerful cities in the world.

00:32:38.000 They're in San Francisco.

00:32:39.000 They're in El Segundo.

00:32:41.000 They're striking at the locus of power.

00:32:44.000 And from the locus of power proceeds the cultural standards, proceeds these dominant narratives in the education system from academia.

00:32:54.000 And so I'm really a believer, not in as much saying, oh, white people in general need to have more kids.

00:33:00.000 Certainly that's a good thing, but it's more like I want the most brilliant elite human capital, the smartest, richest, best white people to become as powerful as possible, take over the institutions, and from the institutions promulgate a message of fertility, racial solidarity, national solidarity, and national consciousness. 0.84

00:33:21.000 That's kind of where I'm at.

00:33:22.000 And I don't think you'd even disagree, but it's just kind of like going a little step further on that.

00:33:28.000 No, I agree with you actually completely.

00:33:30.000 And culture is the driving force behind all things.

00:33:32.000 You know, I often comment on white people, black people. 0.98

00:33:36.000 I'm in a unique position because I am a raced mix individual, which pisses off a large percentage of the internet, but this is how I was born and that's how it goes. 1.00

00:33:45.000 And there's not much I can do about it.

00:33:47.000 But I would argue, besides yourself, there's probably no one else with a platform as large as mine who speaks up for white people ever, ever. 0.67

00:33:55.000 And one of the problems with extreme right-wing white people is we have this infinitely divisible, constantly searching for more and more based to the point where no matter how much you do for them or try to help them, you're going to eventually not be based enough for them.

00:34:11.000 And this is seen amongst white people in general.

00:34:14.000 If we removed all the black people from Western civilization today, within 30 years, the Germans would be fighting the Italians again. 1.00

00:34:21.000 I mean, that's what happened only 30 or 40 years ago.

00:34:23.000 The Irish and English were blowing each other up. 1.00

00:34:25.000 And now Ireland and England's both full of asylum seekers from the boats is kind of crazy when you think about it. 0.99

00:34:31.000 So this infinitely divisible, this constant search for the more and more based version, I actually think in some ways subverts the whole movement.

00:34:39.000 The movement you've launched is so fantastic.

00:34:42.000 The cultural effect you've had is also fantastic.

00:34:45.000 But the biggest threat to the movement is not going to be external.

00:34:48.000 It's going to be internal.

00:34:49.000 And there is a percentage of people, no matter what I say in defense of you, in defense of white people, in defense of Western civilization, come along and say, because my dad is black, who was a chess genius, by the way, is the only reason I'm even smart, that I'm a piece of shit and I need to be kicked out or I need to die or whatever.

00:35:07.000 And I don't care because truthfully, I think it's hilarious.

00:35:10.000 But when you have these cartoon and on accounts constantly going to a deeper and deeper level of everyone's a Jew, everything is this, everything is that, and they can't even get along with somebody who is clearly on their side in the larger fight. 0.94

00:35:26.000 This is how you're going to end up losing the fight in the long run.

00:35:28.000 And I think that's where some of the problem comes from, which again is not even your fault, but that's the problem with that movement as a whole.

00:35:36.000 And I'm going to say one thing from a personal perspective.

00:35:40.000 I do feel like there is a degree of ungratefulness.

00:35:44.000 Once again, this is not your fault, but there's an ungratefulness amongst people and an ungratefulness amongst the internet.

00:35:48.000 I remind the internet on October 8th, against all legal advice, I told Piers Morgan it was a genocide.

00:35:58.000 I stuck up and was anti-Israel on Piers Morgan on October 8th, before it was cool on the internet, very much like you. 1.00

00:36:05.000 Now everybody does it.

00:36:06.000 You did it before it was cool.

00:36:07.000 I did it before I was cool.

00:36:09.000 Anti-Semitism is a crime in Europe.

00:36:11.000 They put me back on house arrest.

00:36:12.000 I was locked in my house for 11 months because of what I said on a podcast.

00:36:17.000 And now they turn up and tweet underneath that I'm a Jew.

00:36:20.000 And I just think if that's how we're going to operate as a movement, we're only ever going to be a laughingstock to our enemies.

00:36:27.000 And I agree with you about the locus of power.

00:36:29.000 You're completely correct.

00:36:30.000 And I think it's a multifaceted attack.

00:36:32.000 But we have to be very careful here because if I owned a farm and all the sheep worked out that I had a slaughterhouse and all they did all day was say, that's a slaughterhouse.

00:36:44.000 He's got a slaughterhouse.

00:36:45.000 But they still walked into it.

00:36:47.000 I wouldn't really care.

00:36:49.000 There has to be a point where you don't obey what I want you to do.

00:36:52.000 If they're trying to stop you from reproducing, then you must reproduce.

00:36:55.000 If they're trying to beat you down so you don't make money because of virsary, you need to make money.

00:36:59.000 If they don't want you to be brave, you need to be brave.

00:37:01.000 You need to look at their exact playbook.

00:37:03.000 And instead of tweeting at people, instead of accusing every single person who doesn't have an anon cartoon account of being a Jew, you need to do the absolute opposite of what they want you to do. 0.74

00:37:14.000 And I believe that's how we win.

00:37:15.000 That's how your movement and you become president of the United States.

00:37:20.000 I think that's better for you and the movement as a whole.

00:37:22.000 So when I made that tweet that Groipers speak like a defeated people, that's because I'll say something. 0.99

00:37:27.000 And I speak in absolutes.

00:37:29.000 I absolutely do.

00:37:29.000 And I think trolling is hilarious.

00:37:31.000 And I make it clear that, you know, a white man, I say, white man can't get a kid out of a woman unless he buys her two houses and three cars and a nanny. 0.62

00:37:39.000 Ha ha ha.

00:37:40.000 Us, the Somalian can get 11 kids out of Fatima without a job.

00:37:44.000 And I make a joke of it.

00:37:45.000 All the replies is, well, now you're a Jew, you're a race mixing Jew. 0.98

00:37:49.000 You work for the Jews. 1.00

00:37:50.000 And I just think that that is counterproductive to the good fight and counterproductive to your movement.

00:37:55.000 That's my, that's my actual view.

00:37:58.000 At the same time, though, you got to recognize that if you're going to rage bait, you can't really be mad when people get mad.

00:38:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:05.000 I think it's hilarious.

00:38:07.000 I think it's funny.

00:38:08.000 I mean, I literally, I'm real nigger Tay.

00:38:10.000 I call myself a nigger all day long.

00:38:11.000 I think it's funnier than it is.

00:38:12.000 I love trolling.

00:38:13.000 I'm all for it.

00:38:15.000 I'm just saying that if we're going to try and have a serious political movement here, then calling every single person a Jew because of some tedious or tenuous link, I think is disingenuous.

00:38:26.000 I think that, and again, this is just my personal view.

00:38:30.000 And I don't know enough since I got released from house arrest after three years in my house in February.

00:38:35.000 I haven't been online that much.

00:38:36.000 And I noticed you said I didn't weigh in on the Candace Tucker thing.

00:38:40.000 I'm not versed enough to truly weigh it.

00:38:42.000 I haven't seen every video.

00:38:44.000 I haven't seen all of it.

00:38:45.000 I haven't seen the back and forth.

00:38:47.000 I've been with my children living my life.

00:38:49.000 However, I would argue that Tucker has red-pilled a lot of people who would never watch your show about very important things that are happening in the American government that you'd agree with.

00:38:59.000 I would say the same for Candace.

00:39:01.000 I think of them on the good side of the fight.

00:39:04.000 And perhaps this is going to get me in trouble.

00:39:05.000 I think of them as good people trying to do the best thing they can, which is tell their version of the truth.

00:39:10.000 And they're by and large on our side.

00:39:13.000 And I think this infinite, divisible, constant infighting, constant looking for who's the most base, constantly saying, well, he's done 99 things right, but this one thing makes him a Jew. 0.99

00:39:24.000 I just think it's holding us back by and large.

00:39:27.000 That's my personal view, but it's not my movement.

00:39:30.000 So I'm just saying what I see it as from the outside.

00:39:33.000 Well, and, you know, maybe that's where the disagreement lies, because I talked with Alex Jones about this yesterday.

00:39:41.000 We didn't even plan on talking about it, but he brought it up.

00:39:44.000 Obviously, I'm in this big feud with both Candace and Tucker Carlson right now. 0.96

00:39:48.000 And I see it being characterized on Twitter by some people as infighting.

00:39:53.000 And I would agree with you.

00:39:56.000 I would tend to agree with you that if I were an outside observer, I would look at Candace and Tucker and myself, and I would think we're all on the same side.

00:40:05.000 We're all pushing in the same direction.

00:40:07.000 Certainly, we're all criticizing Israel. 0.83

00:40:09.000 We're all against the war in Iran and the rest of it. 1.00

00:40:12.000 And that's what I would tend to think.

00:40:15.000 And yet, when I went out and did Candace's show, instead of talking about what we had in common, she wanted to talk about all the things that we had apart.

00:40:26.000 And she, in particular, wanted to press me on if I really Hated Jews and if I was really a racist.

00:40:33.000 So that confounded me because if I'm an outside objective observer, maybe without all the information, I would say, wait, aren't Candice Tucker and Nick on the same side?

00:40:42.000 But being me, I went to do her show with my suit on, ready to talk about the Iran war, the neocons, all this kind of stuff.

00:40:50.000 And she's pressing me, why do you hate Dave Smith?

00:40:53.000 Is it because he's Jewish? 0.53

00:40:54.000 Do you hate Jews for being Jewish?

00:40:56.000 Are you a racist?

00:40:57.000 Is that why you're against race mixing? 0.95

00:40:59.000 And so I finished the interview.

00:41:00.000 And not to relitigate the whole thing, but this is just a summary of it.

00:41:04.000 I finish the thing and I get on my show and I say, it's weird she's putting it behind a paywall. 0.76

00:41:10.000 I said, and also I'm unhappy with what we talked about.

00:41:13.000 I thought this was an olive branch.

00:41:15.000 Clearly, it was some kind of like a lecture.

00:41:17.000 I thought she was having me out to maybe extend an olive branch and connect.

00:41:21.000 And instead, I got a wagging finger from a woman in my face, which I don't really care for. 0.73

00:41:27.000 And then, as if to make matters better, she goes with Tucker Carlson.

00:41:32.000 And Tucker, who, you know, me and him have a bit of a history, he calls me a basement dwelling, weird, gay kid.

00:41:40.000 He says I'm a CIA agent.

00:41:42.000 He unloads this personal attack on me.

00:41:45.000 And so, yeah, I would not characterize that as infighting.

00:41:50.000 I would say to me, that looks like a coordinated attack on me.

00:41:54.000 And it's not purity spiraling.

00:41:56.000 It is coming from them in the other direction, saying that I'm too extreme.

00:42:01.000 In fact, that's literally what Tucker said.

00:42:03.000 Tucker said that I am a crazy anti-Semite who is trying to make them look bad by being too ideologically pure.

00:42:12.000 So, you know, maybe you've been away for a long time.

00:42:14.000 You don't know what's going on, but it wasn't me coming at them for being soft.

00:42:18.000 No, they were coming at me for being too extreme.

00:42:21.000 And that's where I have to defend myself and say, wait a second, you're calling me a CIA agent.

00:42:26.000 Your fucking dad was in the CIA.

00:42:29.000 I said this to Tucker on this big show.

00:42:31.000 A week later, Elon Musk is echoing what Tucker Carlson said, calling me a Fed.

00:42:37.000 And it's in the context of this Matrix attack.

00:42:40.000 I don't know what else you call that.

00:42:42.000 That then you came on Twitter and said the thing about the Groupers. 0.98

00:42:46.000 I think that's why they took it a certain way, because what it looked like was coordination.

00:42:50.000 I don't know if you're in on that or not.

00:42:52.000 I don't believe you were, but certainly something weird is going on.

00:42:55.000 And it all coincided with what you said, which is I'm on this generational run.

00:43:00.000 I have broken containment.

00:43:02.000 I'm going mainstream.

00:43:03.000 Now, I would like to do a show with Tucker and talk about our similarities and differences.

00:43:09.000 I would have liked to do that with Candace Owens, but it seems like they're trying to keep me out.

00:43:13.000 They're trying to push me aside.

00:43:15.000 As far as the movement's concerned, I'd like to be on the same page with them, but they don't feel that way about me.

00:43:21.000 So, you know, I don't know.

00:43:22.000 What's your thoughts on that whole situation?

00:43:25.000 Well, I mean, it's interesting.

00:43:26.000 And like I said, I'm not fully versed on all of it.

00:43:28.000 I guess there's two ways I can answer that question at a certain point.

00:43:32.000 And of course, you're a full-grown man.

00:43:33.000 You make your own decisions.

00:43:35.000 I'll be very clear that I like Candace.

00:43:37.000 She's always been very respectful to me.

00:43:39.000 I think she's fantastic at her job.

00:43:41.000 I actually think she's amazing at what she does. 0.99

00:43:43.000 I have nothing bad to say about her.

00:43:45.000 I think that when people were saying the Bridget series was irrelevant, I think that's disingenuous.

00:43:50.000 I think it's actually very irrelevant to find out if the most prominent country in the European Union is being run by a pedophile and his dad.

00:43:57.000 I also think it's hilarious that she trolled Macron into having a meltdown.

00:44:00.000 I think that trolling is funny.

00:44:01.000 And I think it's, I think it's funny.

00:44:03.000 I don't know how anyone doesn't find that funny that legal letters are flying around the world.

00:44:07.000 I mean, you're saying they attacked you.

00:44:08.000 I respect it.

00:44:09.000 There's two ways to answer that question.

00:44:10.000 The first thing you can do, and you can make your own decision as a full-grown man, is, is it about you and your own personal feelings, which it's allowed to be, by the way?

00:44:19.000 Or is it about the movement by and large as a whole?

00:44:21.000 Because I've sat down with people who have come out for me guns blazing, but I believe they were 65% on the same side as me.

00:44:28.000 And I defended myself and I thought, you know what?

00:44:30.000 They're doing more harm than good.

00:44:32.000 And instead of arguing about the color of the wallpaper inside the castle, let's defeat the orcs at the gate first.

00:44:38.000 And then we can start arguing about how we're going to decorate this room.

00:44:41.000 But that's a decision that you can make personally.

00:44:43.000 I'm not saying what they did is right.

00:44:44.000 And I'm not saying what you did is wrong.

00:44:46.000 That's a decision that you can make.

00:44:48.000 I understand that my timing now with that context would be suspect.

00:44:52.000 I understand that absolutely.

00:44:54.000 But I have nothing against Candace and Tucker.

00:44:56.000 And the whole CIA agent dad thing, I'd actually like to address that as well.

00:45:00.000 one of the reasons why that holds no weight with me is my father was in the intelligence services.

00:45:06.000 And now there's a whole bunch of people spamming my account saying that I'm a Jewish asset because my father was CIA.

00:45:12.000 But I've been very honest and open about the fact that he was a translator and he spoke three languages.

00:45:16.000 And I was also open about the fact that he was discharged without a pension for not following orders, ended up living in his car, being a traveling chess player.

00:45:23.000 And I had to grow up in a homeless hostel in Luton, England, fighting Kolcevans at the age of 11. 1.00

00:45:29.000 So if there's some big Intel agency op going on, I never got any money from it.

00:45:34.000 And our family grew up destitute.

00:45:36.000 And I grew up in the worst area in England.

00:45:38.000 And now they're throwing me in jail at random.

00:45:40.000 So for anyone to believe that I'm some kind of intelligence opera or Fed is disingenuous.

00:45:45.000 And another thing, and I want to make this clear: when I talk with you about issues, I'm very honest and open about the fact that you have swapped some knowledge I don't have.

00:45:55.000 I don't want to get pulled into muddy waters where I'm in a situation and we're discussing something I know nothing about.

00:46:00.000 You can start talking about the financing of a particular center and I don't know.

00:46:03.000 So I kind of operate on feels.

00:46:06.000 You know, do I think you're a Fed?

00:46:08.000 Truthfully, in my heart, no.

00:46:09.000 Do I think Candace and Tucker are feds in my heart?

00:46:12.000 No.

00:46:12.000 When someone says, Tucker, the Fed, his dad was in the CIA.

00:46:15.000 I say, my dad was in the CIA and we were fucking broke.

00:46:17.000 And he got discharged and he died destitute with $15 in his pocket.

00:46:22.000 So I don't buy any of that.

00:46:24.000 What I do think is perhaps there's some ego involved.

00:46:26.000 Perhaps we're at a pivotal moment in culture.

00:46:29.000 Perhaps maybe there is a degree of them trying to assert dominance over you or trying to show that, you know, they're not scared of your influence.

00:46:37.000 That's all possible and all very real.

00:46:39.000 I can only answer what I would have done in your situation, which was what I said earlier.

00:46:43.000 I would have sat down with Candace or defended myself and said, you know what?

00:46:46.000 By and large, I think she does fantastic work.

00:46:48.000 By and large, I agree with her.

00:46:49.000 So I don't see the point in going to war with her.

00:46:51.000 However, that's your decision to make.

00:46:53.000 And I do also understand that going to war with people is entertaining.

00:46:58.000 And we are in the entertainment business.

00:47:00.000 That's another thing to consider.

00:47:01.000 It's pretty funny to go to war with people and start swinging.

00:47:05.000 But we have to sit down and be professionals here.

00:47:08.000 And as professionals, we have to sit and say, okay, are we really trying to win?

00:47:13.000 Because if there's things you've said I could get upset about, but I don't actually give a shit.

00:47:17.000 You could sit here right now and call me a nigger and say I'm a Jew.

00:47:20.000 And I'd be like, you know what?

00:47:21.000 I like you anyway.

00:47:23.000 I'm going to like you whether you like it or not.

00:47:25.000 I'm going to say, I like what Nick says.

00:47:26.000 I think what he's doing is important.

00:47:28.000 I don't give a fuck what he says about me.

00:47:30.000 I like what he does.

00:47:31.000 And I think that that's actually a degree of maturity that the left have that we don't have because they hate us so much.

00:47:39.000 They're so unified and binded by their hate for us that they'll never infight over small issues.

00:47:45.000 They're too busy trying to kill us.

00:47:47.000 And I think unless we can manage to get our heads around doing something similar, we're always going to end up every time we get any power just infighting and falling to pieces.

00:47:56.000 Well, I would say that as far as you three are concerned, I do believe you're all different.

00:48:03.000 I think that you are different than Tucker.

00:48:04.000 And I think that Tucker is different from Candace.

00:48:08.000 And the reason I knew that is because when Candace went on with Tucker, Tucker said, oh, you know, this kid, he's saying my dad is in the CIA.

00:48:18.000 And Candace said, yeah, and he said that I'm Russian intelligence.

00:48:22.000 And Tucker said, yeah, but that's more likely than my dad being in the CIA or me being in the CIA.

00:48:29.000 So in that moment, I was like, okay, so wait a second, these two are not on the same page.

00:48:34.000 And I don't think you're on the same page with them even necessarily on this whole thing.

00:48:38.000 And I guess what I would say about their attack is, in particular, Tucker's attack was to discredit me.

00:48:47.000 And, you know, without, I don't want to drag into a conversation that you don't know all the information about because I don't think that's fair.

00:48:53.000 But suffice to say, the particular thrust of his attack was to say that I'm a federal operative, was to say that I'm a federal agent.

00:49:03.000 And you say that the question is, how do I handle that?

00:49:06.000 Do I punch back really hard?

00:49:08.000 Do I sort of take my lumps, so to speak?

00:49:11.000 I would say that's a very pernicious and specific charge to make, which is supposed to say, and it was almost artful the way that he did it.

00:49:20.000 He said, Nick says a lot of the right things, but you shouldn't listen to him because he's not who he says he is.

00:49:26.000 And that sort of says to me that they Are trying to block me from having influence.

00:49:32.000 They're trying to destroy my reputation so that people don't listen.

00:49:36.000 And in my show against Tucker, I sort of contrasted our two positions.

00:49:40.000 If it's about the movement, for me, my movement says we're about American sovereignty.

00:49:46.000 We want to break free from Israel. 1.00

00:49:48.000 We want to break free from Jewish oligarchs. 1.00

00:49:50.000 It's identitarian.

00:49:52.000 America has a white character. 0.89

00:49:54.000 It has a European character.

00:49:56.000 It's racial. 0.77

00:49:57.000 That has a lot to do with it.

00:49:58.000 We need to shut down immigration. 1.00

00:50:00.000 We need to get rid of this oligarchic syndicate that's running our country. 0.75

00:50:05.000 And I would question: does Tucker conform to that?

00:50:08.000 Because repeatedly he insists.

00:50:11.000 I have never talked about racial replacement migration.

00:50:14.000 He insists I'm not an enemy of Israel.

00:50:17.000 I love Israel.

00:50:18.000 I love going to Israel.

00:50:19.000 Now, what movement is he a part of?

00:50:22.000 He's part of the movement where you work for Fox News for 20 years.

00:50:25.000 And then when the whole world gets red-pilled, now you're going to talk about Israel a little bit. 0.82

00:50:29.000 Is the movement where your dad's in the CIA?

00:50:32.000 Is the movement where you call up Trump and tell him to do a COVID lockdown?

00:50:36.000 Is the movement where you say you hate Trump and you're ready to see him go away because you can't stand him?

00:50:41.000 I don't know who Tucker is.

00:50:43.000 I know who I am.

00:50:44.000 And I would say that when push comes to shove, I have a much better case to make that I'm a credible voice than he does.

00:50:52.000 I would make the case that my movement, to the extent that it's different, is much more consistent with what's right and where the people are at.

00:50:59.000 If he wants to make it, me versus him, be my guest.

00:51:03.000 I don't think he's going to like where that goes on a long enough timeline.

00:51:07.000 So that's why I said to Alex Jones yesterday, I said, I would love to privately or publicly talk to Tucker.

00:51:14.000 If he thinks I'm a fed, if he cares about the movement, then, you know, look, I'm not going away anytime soon.

00:51:20.000 He needs to listen and take me seriously, obviously, because his attack on me backfired.

00:51:25.000 I think he needs to put up or shut up, have me on the show and debate the differences, make the case I'm a fed, or get with the fucking program.

00:51:32.000 But that's kind of where I'm at with him.

00:51:33.000 So I'm with you.

00:51:35.000 I do have a consciousness of the movement.

00:51:37.000 And I think that maybe Tucker plays a role in this movement and maybe Candice plays a role.

00:51:42.000 But I think they need to have a team player mentality.

00:51:45.000 I can't be expected to have all the magnanimity in the world and all the patience and tolerate the kind of nonsense they're throwing my way.

00:51:52.000 That's kind of my position because I like you a lot.

00:51:55.000 And I think, you know, when you and I had our disagreement on Twitter, you said, fuck it, let's get on a stream.

00:52:01.000 I love that.

00:52:02.000 I think that's honest.

00:52:03.000 I think, you know, like you said, we don't agree on everything.

00:52:07.000 And I've taken issue with things you've said and vice versa.

00:52:10.000 But we can kind of talk about where we align.

00:52:13.000 And first of all, we can talk.

00:52:15.000 I think we should expect the same thing from them as well.

00:52:18.000 And in particular, Tucker.

00:52:19.000 So that's sort of where I'm at because I sort of see what you're saying, but I got to stick up for myself a little bit in this case.

00:52:26.000 Totally get it.

00:52:26.000 And that's my point about the tweet I made.

00:52:29.000 And I totally understand how the timing was suspect.

00:52:31.000 But even recently, even this, even today, one more thing I want to say when it comes to your movement as a whole.

00:52:37.000 And once again, I need to say in my lane because it's not my movement.

00:52:40.000 It's yours and you've built it.

00:52:42.000 And most importantly, you've suffered for it.

00:52:45.000 It wasn't handed to you.

00:52:46.000 You suffered to build what you've built, which is why it's so strong and so powerful.

00:52:51.000 Same as my movement, which, you know, I would say it's moved over now.

00:52:55.000 I did my job.

00:52:56.000 And I would argue that we moved into a new era where we have new concerns.

00:53:00.000 When I was saying the things I was saying at the time, it was groundbreaking.

00:53:04.000 And now everybody says them.

00:53:05.000 And there's always going to be a part of you, which is a bit like, okay, so when it was dangerous to say these things, I did it.

00:53:11.000 And now it's not dangerous.

00:53:13.000 Everyone says it.

00:53:14.000 And it pisses you off a little bit.

00:53:15.000 So I also understand perhaps when you just mentioned, you said there that Tucker's now saying it when everyone else is saying it, there's going to be a bit of personal like, hey, I got debanked.

00:53:24.000 I couldn't fly.

00:53:25.000 I suffered for this.

00:53:26.000 Like I went to jail for what I said.

00:53:27.000 And now everyone tweets it all day long and calls me a fed.

00:53:30.000 Part of you is going to be like, well, that's ungrateful of the masses, isn't it?

00:53:33.000 Because I was the one who was suffering to even say this stuff in the first place, which is a real important point.

00:53:39.000 So I understand exactly where you're coming from.

00:53:42.000 I totally get it.

00:53:43.000 And one more thing with the whole Groiper movement as a whole. 0.87

00:53:46.000 And I just want to say these things and I'm saying them from an outside perspective.

00:53:49.000 I am a friend of your movement.

00:53:51.000 I consider myself a friend of yours.

00:53:53.000 I believe in what you guys are doing.

00:53:55.000 You're fucking hilarious.

00:53:56.000 I'm not an enemy in any regard.

00:53:58.000 But I do think that it's very difficult.

00:54:00.000 We have to draw a line somewhere and we have to have some degree of, well, what are the parameters then?

00:54:06.000 Okay, Tucker did attack Nick, perhaps, or Candix attacked Nick, perhaps fine.

00:54:11.000 But if they are exposing X, Y, Z, is that worthwhile and also we have to come along and say sometimes these tedious links can be exaggerated upon only a few hours ago i retweeted milo and you wrote a tweet underneath it saying that this is very suspicious this was a few hours ago and i retweeted milo because milo defended me saying that all these court cases against me nobody can seem to put me in jail nobody has any proof i didn't think ah milo and

00:54:40.000 And Nick, I don't know the story of you two, to be honest.

00:54:44.000 I now know you don't like each other.

00:54:45.000 I don't know why.

00:54:46.000 And with all due respect, I don't care.

00:54:49.000 He defended me, so I retweeted it.

00:54:51.000 I also retweeted a three-person account who defended me with three followers.

00:54:55.000 He could be a pedo.

00:54:56.000 I don't fucking know.

00:54:57.000 I just retweeted it.

00:54:58.000 So sometimes there's too much noticing, and there's too many strings drawn, and there's too much, you know, people are looking for insult where it doesn't really exist.

00:55:08.000 And I think that's one of the other things, separate to Candace and Tucker, because that was very deliberate against you, as you've just explained.

00:55:13.000 One of the other things that I catch flack for from your movement is I breathe in the wrong direction, and perhaps a Jew breathed, was pointing that way when he breathed in 1941.

00:55:25.000 And before you know it, I've got these spurgs spamming all over Twitter. 1.00

00:55:29.000 And the reason that that's a bad thing is not because I give a shit.

00:55:33.000 It's because it genuinely delegitimizes what you're trying to do.

00:55:38.000 Well, and I think you're legit.

00:55:39.000 I think that, you know, as far as the Milo thing is concerned, the only reason I even mentioned it is because Candace did her show with me.

00:55:49.000 She did her show with Tucker.

00:55:50.000 And then she does a show with Milo.

00:55:52.000 Elon Musk replies to Milo calling me a Fed.

00:55:56.000 You know, then you come in and kind of, you didn't really pick a side, but you sort of said the Brigitte Macron thing's legit.

00:56:04.000 And you said the Groypers talk too much about the Jews or, you know, that they blame the Jews or something.

00:56:09.000 And then you retweeted Milo.

00:56:12.000 It looked like it was coordinated.

00:56:14.000 I hope you understand that.

00:56:16.000 And I think that people need to scrutinize these things because as you know, and you know, you're brilliant on politics.

00:56:22.000 I'm a, I consider you a friend too.

00:56:24.000 And I consider what you have built to be one of the most positive things that's happened in the 2020s.

00:56:30.000 And I even come down on your side when you're arguing with Catholics like Matt Walsh, because honestly, a lot of the Catholic, you know, white, right?

00:56:40.000 They're pussies when it comes to women. 1.00

00:56:42.000 And a lot of the trad stuff is 100% steered by women.

00:56:46.000 So, I mean, your, your thing on patriarchy, in my opinion, is indispensable.

00:56:51.000 It's literally indispensable.

00:56:53.000 And it's like, it's actually a good thing that we're in the Tate generation of young kids that are saying, you know, what color is your Bugatti and all.

00:57:01.000 I think it's actually a really good thing.

00:57:02.000 But with that being said, as far as these connections are concerned, I think transparency is the solution.

00:57:09.000 You know, you coming on this and saying, hey, I just retweeted him just because.

00:57:14.000 Okay, valid, legitimate.

00:57:16.000 I hear you.

00:57:16.000 But in a lot of these cases, typically where there's smoke, there's fire.

00:57:21.000 And I like to draw these connections because this is how politics operates.

00:57:25.000 You do get these networks that come together.

00:57:28.000 There are networks of patronage.

00:57:29.000 There are networks of money.

00:57:30.000 I'm not going to lie to you.

00:57:32.000 A lot of people came to me privately and said, I'm on your side.

00:57:36.000 I agree with you.

00:57:38.000 But I can't speak out against Tucker because he's done things for me.

00:57:43.000 Because he's a friend of mine.

00:57:44.000 And I've heard that from a lot of people.

00:57:47.000 I'm not going to name names.

00:57:48.000 Some of them said it publicly.

00:57:49.000 Glenn Greenwald, Ian Carroll.

00:57:51.000 They said a lot of nice things about me.

00:57:53.000 Dave Smith, too.

00:57:54.000 But they also said, you know, I don't even really want to weigh in because I like Tucker.

00:57:58.000 Now, you know, in our political battle, we actually have to be willing to criticize people.

00:58:05.000 We have to be willing to scrutinize those kinds of things.

00:58:08.000 And someone like Tucker, you know, he's got some explaining to do.

00:58:11.000 He said he didn't know his dad was in the CIA.

00:58:13.000 He lied.

00:58:15.000 He didn't know that.

00:58:16.000 Now, if we're coming for the matrix, and insofar as the matrix is the deep state, we're going to need an answer on that.

00:58:23.000 I would like an answer on that, as well as some of these other things.

00:58:26.000 And so that's where it's like, I agree with you.

00:58:29.000 There is 100%.

00:58:32.000 There can be a schizo tendency.

00:58:34.000 And unfortunately, when you introduce concepts like Palantir, a limited hangout, when you introduce that to low iq people they'll start seeing it everywhere you know they And unfortunately, it is true. 1.00

00:58:47.000 I've seen it.

00:58:48.000 People like trip on their shoelace and say this was a palantir limited hangout.

00:58:52.000 It does happen.

00:58:54.000 But in many cases, we actually do need transparency on some of these connections because it's not lost on me that, you know, like Tucker Carlson, one of his critiques of me, he said that I am delegitimizing someone like J.D. Vance.

00:59:07.000 And I said, well, wait a second.

00:59:10.000 You know, Tucker had J.D. Vance on his show 46 times.

00:59:13.000 Tucker made a personal appeal to Trump to choose Vance as his nominee.

00:59:18.000 Now, Candace does not seem to be gung-ho about Vance.

00:59:21.000 So there might be some, like I said, I think Candace is different than Tucker, and they're both different than you. 0.88

00:59:27.000 But when Tucker came at me with that, I said, wait a second.

00:59:30.000 He's calling me CIA.

00:59:32.000 His dad is CIA.

00:59:34.000 His friend Joe Kent is CIA.

00:59:36.000 His buddy J.D. Vance works for Peter Thiel, who's a CIA contractor.

00:59:40.000 That's a lot of CIA.

00:59:42.000 That's a ton of CIA going on.

00:59:44.000 And he lied about what he knew about the CIA.

00:59:47.000 That's where I say, okay, sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire.

00:59:50.000 So, you know, I 100% agree there can be a tendency to get a little schizo, or maybe there's like a low IQ version of what we talk about. 0.93

00:59:59.000 But I don't think I'm wrong about a lot of these connections.

01:00:03.000 And, you know, when you reposted Milo, and, you know, maybe you'll admit it, it could have come across as a bad look.

01:00:10.000 And that's why it's helpful when you said, that's how I know you're legit.

01:00:14.000 A lot of people behind the scenes tell me, you got to press Tate.

01:00:18.000 Tate's the enemy.

01:00:18.000 Remind him his dad was in the CIA.

01:00:21.000 What I respect about you is you talk to me.

01:00:24.000 I have your number.

01:00:25.000 I talked to you.

01:00:25.000 I've been on streams with you.

01:00:27.000 You're transparent.

01:00:28.000 You said your dad is in the CIA.

01:00:29.000 We didn't have to dig that out of anywhere.

01:00:31.000 And to me, that's the difference.

01:00:33.000 Is there that transparency?

01:00:35.000 If you're transparent, you know, we can ask the question, it gets answered, and we could say, okay, that's good enough.

01:00:41.000 But if people hide or lie or they're not forthcoming, that's where there's a little scrutiny.

01:00:45.000 So that's where I'm at on that.

01:00:47.000 I do think it's important to look at some of those things.

01:00:49.000 No, it makes it makes perfect sense.

01:00:51.000 And just once again, from the very outside perspective, and I have to make it clear that I'm not as versed on all of these topics as a lot of the people who are watching this, but I've barely been online.

01:01:00.000 I pop up online.

01:01:02.000 I see there's this feud going on.

01:01:03.000 The first thing I felt was a degree of sadness, to be honest.

01:01:07.000 And that's, that's what I felt.

01:01:08.000 And it was the same with Elon and Trump.

01:01:11.000 I disagreed with Elon about H1B1.

01:01:13.000 I think everybody did with a brain.

01:01:14.000 Nobody wants that shit.

01:01:16.000 It's a joke.

01:01:17.000 But I think by and large, he's done fantastic things.

01:01:20.000 I think that Twitter, if he never bought it by now, would be so fully locked down.

01:01:25.000 I think he did help with the culture.

01:01:27.000 I think he made some massive positive pushes in the correct direction.

01:01:31.000 And maybe a lot of this is going to be personality driven.

01:01:34.000 Perhaps this is just me from a personality perspective.

01:01:37.000 But if somebody does something good, I try very hard to not forget what they've done.

01:01:42.000 The internet is a very fast-moving place.

01:01:45.000 There's a lot of ungratefulness on the internet because you can do something amazing on a Monday and everyone hates you on a Tuesday because it's fun to hate people and it's interesting and trolling is fun.

01:01:54.000 And that's kind of how it works.

01:01:56.000 But when Trump and Elon started arguing and there was the big division, I felt a degree of sadness.

01:02:00.000 When I saw that Tucker Candace and you didn't get along, I was, I really, perhaps I'm a sentimental old man.

01:02:05.000 I felt like we'd all be better if we were to a degree on the same team.

01:02:08.000 And we're never all going to agree on everything.

01:02:11.000 I like what you said about the transparency point.

01:02:13.000 That's fantastic.

01:02:14.000 Me from a personality perspective, if there's orcs at my gate, I'm prepared to work with somebody who I disagree with on 99% of the problems besides let's kill the orcs.

01:02:25.000 So I noticed as well, a lot of the gropers are constantly retweeting and constantly hammering Tristan for supporting JD Vance.

01:02:32.000 Well, J.D. Vance is the only American politician who talks about the fact that we don't have any freedom of speech in Europe.

01:02:38.000 JD Vance was the only politician who talked about the fact that Romania, the country we're in, the country that locked us up, overthrew their own election.

01:02:46.000 He's the only one who called it out.

01:02:48.000 So perhaps at a deeper level, you know things I do not know, or there's some things about him I would not like, perhaps.

01:02:55.000 But initially, the initial battle in Europe, we can't even talk.

01:02:59.000 He's the only one sticking up for us.

01:03:01.000 And it's kind of like this infinitely divisible problem, which is a problem we're going to have with the entire movement, especially if we're successful.

01:03:08.000 The more successful we are, the more fragmented it's going to become.

01:03:13.000 As I said, if we had a white only nation, the Italians would fight the Spanish, who would fight the Germans, and before you know it, the North and the South would hate each other, and you'd be a Texan and you'd be from Chicago, and everyone would hate each other again, even though we're all the same skin color. 0.51

01:03:25.000 That's how it was before.

01:03:26.000 That's why Europe was at constant war.

01:03:28.000 So, this infinite divisible problem is a real one.

01:03:31.000 And we kind of have to find a way, especially, and this is me speaking out of term because it's your movement, it's not my movement.

01:03:39.000 But for you, I would say you have to kind of try and find a way to give some hard parameters and allow people who are not as intelligent as you, not as smart as you, not as well-versed as you, and most of your fans are not going to be.

01:03:51.000 That's why you're the star to sit and say, Okay, where does someone fall?

01:03:55.000 Are they on the good side or the bad side?

01:03:57.000 Because perhaps they did this and this and this, but by and large, they've done XYZ.

01:04:02.000 I always thought in my infinite ignorance that Ian Carroll was a good guy, he exposed things, and I watched his videos, and I thought that's interesting, that's interesting, that's interesting.

01:04:13.000 And then I saw his feed, and everyone was calling him a Jewish plan.

01:04:16.000 And I'm like, What the fuck?

01:04:17.000 Maybe I just don't know enough, maybe I'm ignorant and dumb, but I was like, How the fuck is he a Jew? 1.00

01:04:22.000 He's he's literally said the opposite the whole way through.

01:04:25.000 So, I do think this is some kind of issue, which is going to be nearly impossible to solve because the internet's the internet, and this is how it works.

01:04:32.000 And also, I will state this: even my movement, there are people in my movement who are retards and they'll go to the gym and they'll hit their chest and they'll tell every woman to off. 1.00

01:04:44.000 And you know, they'll walk around with a gun saying they're a G, and they're fucking retards, and they're part of my movement, and that's going to be part of every single movement. 0.99

01:04:52.000 That's part of it.

01:04:53.000 I just think we need to try our very best if we want to make a serious political and genuine change.

01:04:58.000 You're right, we have to draw connections, we have to notice patterns.

01:05:02.000 That's what you've done fantastically, that's what you've built your brand on.

01:05:05.000 And perhaps my transparency allows me to sit down and explain that my father was discharged dishonorably for not following orders and that we never even got a military pension and grew up destitute.

01:05:15.000 You can all look that up online.

01:05:17.000 Perhaps my transparency helps me, yes.

01:05:20.000 But sometimes I see so much stuff being thrown around.

01:05:23.000 I always like to think of things from the enemy's perspective.

01:05:28.000 If I was them and I saw you fighting with Candace, fighting with Tucker, and then I retweet someone, and then you say I'm part of them, and they're sitting there knowing none of us are part of them, they're laughing their ass off.

01:05:40.000 And I just think we have to be very conscious of that.

01:05:42.000 That's the only point I'm making.

01:05:45.000 Yeah, and I agree with that.

01:05:46.000 I just, you know, then it's got to be all in the family because they instigated with me.

01:05:51.000 I would have been glad to join up with Tucker.

01:05:53.000 And honestly, here's what I'll say on the stream.

01:05:56.000 I still am, uh, because it's true that Tucker is getting torched by a lot of his erstwhile Jewish or pro-Israel allies. 0.82

01:06:04.000 There's no question about that.

01:06:05.000 And same with Candace Owens, Candace, and Tucker.

01:06:08.000 And to your point, you know, just to demonstrate, because I think I'm objective and I think I'm magnanimous.

01:06:15.000 I think that Candace and Tucker, you're 1000% correct.

01:06:19.000 They have brought a lot of people closer to the truth.

01:06:22.000 There is just no question.

01:06:23.000 Candace with the women, Tucker with the normies, and you know, Candace with the Normie women, I suppose, and you as well.

01:06:29.000 I mean, you know, but we're talking about them in this case, and you without a doubt as well.

01:06:34.000 Um, so I do believe there's room for cooperation.

01:06:37.000 It's just, it's like we said before, though, if that's sort of my perspective, I'm sort of coming to Candace to join up, but she's telling me you're a racist anti-Semite and I'd like to cooperate with Tucker, but he's calling me a fed and I'm this loser and all this.

01:06:52.000 It's like, so I would extend the olive branch to someone like Tucker.

01:06:56.000 And me, I have such a consciousness for the team.

01:07:01.000 Me and Candace have a very vicious rivalry right now. 0.98

01:07:04.000 For me, it is what, and I say this, my right-handed God, it is not personality-driven, it is not ego-driven.

01:07:12.000 I could forgive her tomorrow.

01:07:14.000 I've called her a bitch like a hundred times, and I know you probably don't love that, but I've called her a bitch a bunch of times. 0.96

01:07:20.000 I could apologize for that tomorrow, and I could sit down and have dinner and be best friends tomorrow.

01:07:26.000 Um, the question is, is there that willingness on the other side To get on the same page, is there that willingness to kind of open up the space for someone who is a little bit further to the right?

01:07:38.000 I do believe that I get it.

01:07:40.000 So, I've got a question for the sake of our debate.

01:07:44.000 So, I would argue, and of course, once again, this is full of presuppositions.

01:07:49.000 I'm just guessing here.

01:07:51.000 I would argue that there's a degree of disingenuity when it comes to people saying that her Bridget series is not important or it's trash.

01:08:00.000 And I think you made a clip on it.

01:08:02.000 I didn't watch the whole clip, but you said something about how Macron is an enemy of Israel or something along these lines.

01:08:08.000 And why is she going for Macron?

01:08:10.000 I truthfully, and I'm saying this from the heart, with, and I've only watched two episodes of her series.

01:08:15.000 I haven't even watched the whole thing.

01:08:16.000 And I didn't even watch your whole clip.

01:08:18.000 But I don't see how anyone can not think that's good journalism and not think it's hilarious.

01:08:24.000 I really don't think it's genuine for people to sit and say that that series was a setup somehow and she's working for the Russians somehow and that she's somehow working for the Jews because she did that.

01:08:35.000 And I think that it's people disliking her, so instantly tarnishing her work.

01:08:40.000 And I think that it's very important for us as professionals to be able to sit down and say, even of my worst enemy, I can sit and say, I don't like that person, but that work was good.

01:08:50.000 Like, I think Matt Walsh, by and large, is not even a bad person.

01:08:54.000 I think he just has no impact on the culture at all.

01:08:56.000 I don't think anybody cares what he says.

01:08:58.000 But when I saw some of his clips when he was making fun of the trannies, it was funny. 1.00

01:09:01.000 Like, you know, okay, cool.

01:09:02.000 That's that's good work.

01:09:03.000 Like, I don't care who makes the work if the work is good.

01:09:07.000 And I noticed after your argument with her, everyone was saying that her Brigitte series was bullshit.

01:09:13.000 I don't think it's unimportant.

01:09:14.000 And I don't think it was bullshit.

01:09:15.000 I think it was actually very informative.

01:09:17.000 And I think it was quite an interesting story.

01:09:19.000 And I think that if Macron is fucking his dad, we should know.

01:09:23.000 And I also think that it's fucking hilarious how triggered he is.

01:09:26.000 And I would argue that normally you, if you didn't have a beef with Candace, would also be saying the same thing that this is funny and Macron's pissed and this is all hilarious.

01:09:35.000 Or do you genuinely, your emotions, your feelings for Candace aside, really think that that piece of work is somehow bad work to do?

01:09:44.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I, it's actually the opposite.

01:09:48.000 I liked Candace last year and I hated the Brigitte Macron thing. 1.00

01:09:54.000 I just didn't say anything because I didn't want to mess with her thing.

01:09:57.000 I'll give you a counterexample.

01:09:59.000 She did an interview with Phil Turney, who's a survivor of the USS Liberty.

01:10:03.000 I thought that was excellent.

01:10:04.000 I thought that was brilliant.

01:10:06.000 Got huge coverage, totally drove the conversation forward.

01:10:10.000 I could, you know, I'm objective.

01:10:12.000 I'm honest.

01:10:12.000 I tell it like it is.

01:10:14.000 I do have a major problem with Candace right now, but that was awesome.

01:10:18.000 And unquestionably so.

01:10:20.000 I'll tell you my issue with the Brigitte Macron thing.

01:10:23.000 It's a couple of things.

01:10:24.000 One, I think it's weird.

01:10:27.000 I think it's weird that Candace is so hung up on the French president because in America, we just don't really talk about Europe.

01:10:34.000 We don't really care about Europe that much.

01:10:36.000 It's just not something we're engaged in.

01:10:38.000 So for her to have this laser-like focus on that, to me, it kind of gives me a weird feeling from the beginning.

01:10:45.000 And then you delve into kind of the history there.

01:10:48.000 And for a long time, there's been an effort to go after Macron from this crew.

01:10:53.000 Like, I don't know if you know, but back in 2017, there was this huge effort to say that Macron was gay.

01:10:59.000 And that was being pushed by Russian media.

01:11:01.000 It was being pushed by Sputnik in Russia today.

01:11:04.000 They were quoting Julian Assange.

01:11:06.000 They leaked all Macron's email two days before the election in 2017.

01:11:10.000 So there's been for like eight years, this concerted campaign to attack Macron personally, call him gay, say he's married to his dad.

01:11:19.000 So that's another thing is like it comes over, it comes back over and over again.

01:11:23.000 Then you get into the person pushing this, the guy Xiever Xavier Poussard.

01:11:28.000 He wrote the book, Becoming Brigitte.

01:11:30.000 This guy's crazy.

01:11:32.000 Like the guy that originated the theory, it's very fringe in France.

01:11:35.000 He thinks he believes in the QA non stuff.

01:11:38.000 He thinks he's working for Trump.

01:11:40.000 He thinks he's working for Putin.

01:11:41.000 The guy's nuts.

01:11:43.000 And when you get down into the actual information, at the end of the day, their proof is that there's a photograph of the person they say Brigitte is as a child.

01:11:54.000 And using this Chinese facial recognition, it says there's an 80% match to Brigitte Macron today.

01:12:00.000 And I don't think that's super good journalism.

01:12:03.000 I think the evidence is flimsy.

01:12:05.000 And I would say maybe there's something going on there.

01:12:07.000 Maybe Brigitte Macron is weird or something. 0.91

01:12:10.000 You know, but to me, the evidence is very flimsy.

01:12:14.000 So that's my problem with it.

01:12:16.000 And the reason that I even call it out, you know, why not let it alone?

01:12:20.000 The reason I call it out is because one, if it's an angle from Russia or some other thing, then that needs to be called out by itself.

01:12:29.000 But two, I think it's so kooky, it just makes us look bad.

01:12:33.000 I think it's one of those things where maybe people watch the USS Liberty show, but then if you're talking about aliens and secret transgenders and the Frankists and, you know, space isn't real, it's like, then we just look like we're crazy. 0.99

01:12:47.000 So that's the other thing.

01:12:49.000 But it's actually in reverse of what you said.

01:12:51.000 If I liked Candace, I would not talk about my problems with it at all if we had a working relationship. 0.74

01:12:59.000 But, you know, since we're at odds, I'm more willing to criticize her.

01:13:02.000 So it's totally the opposite.

01:13:04.000 Well, perhaps this is just a personal preference thing, but I think it's extremely important if we find out that the leader of a European nation, especially the nation which just overthrew the election here, by the way, one of the most important economies on the planet.

01:13:18.000 And Europe is by and large America's ally and will have to be against China for the coming decades.

01:13:24.000 If there is an elite pedophile ring, which is in charge of his country, especially if you want to tie this to Epstein and everything else, and the fact that Kier Starmer is gay and all these things, the fact that we have all these homosexuals in power, I think would largely affect the culture. 0.94

01:13:38.000 And we just talked about how the culture is so important.

01:13:40.000 I would argue that it doesn't make us look kooky for investigating that, very much like you said.

01:13:45.000 We need to, if there's smoke, there's fire.

01:13:48.000 And, you know, if there's the timing is weird, or there's a string here, or there's a link there.

01:13:52.000 I think that she did a fantastic job on the series.

01:13:54.000 And I think it's pretty important.

01:13:56.000 And I'm just surprised from a personal level, you don't find it hilarious that Macron's having a breakdown.

01:14:01.000 I just thought that you would find it funny like I did.

01:14:03.000 When I saw the legal letters, me and Tristan were laughing our ass off.

01:14:06.000 It's funny.

01:14:06.000 The same as Kier Starmer talking about me all day.

01:14:09.000 I think it's funny these people get triggered.

01:14:11.000 Maybe it's just me liking the underdog.

01:14:13.000 Maybe it's just me like me liking that we have some degree of power to actually influence the emotions of these people who are suppressing us, especially in Europe so heavily.

01:14:23.000 So I was just surprised by your take on that.

01:14:25.000 And my conclusion in my mind was: ah, he's pretending that's not good work when it's clearly hilarious because he doesn't like Candace.

01:14:31.000 And you've given your answer, which I respect.

01:14:33.000 I was just highlighting why I thought that was weird because I actually thought that was a fantastic series.

01:14:38.000 And I think if it turns out she is right, I think that's very important.

01:14:43.000 I would argue that's extremely important.

01:14:45.000 And I mean, right now we have the problem with Kier Starmer in the UK.

01:14:48.000 He got caught Ukrainian rent boys. 0.94

01:14:50.000 That we're not allowed to say that.

01:14:52.000 I'm about to catch another charge for saying that right now.

01:14:55.000 I'm trapped in Europe.

01:14:57.000 And perhaps maybe you're saying America first.

01:14:59.000 And as Americans, we don't care.

01:15:00.000 I'm in Europe.

01:15:01.000 They're the ones throwing me in jail.

01:15:02.000 They're the ones fucking with my life. 0.51

01:15:04.000 They're the ones who are constantly watching everything I say.

01:15:06.000 They're the ones watching this stream right now trying to raise charges on me.

01:15:09.000 And the Western world, by and large, is the same thing.

01:15:13.000 I think that you even said earlier at the beginning of this that America was founded on European white heritage.

01:15:19.000 So we don't want to lose the ancient countries.

01:15:22.000 We don't want to lose the original lands of the people we're trying to restore to glory.

01:15:27.000 So I think she's doing fantastic work.

01:15:28.000 And that's my personal view on it.

01:15:30.000 I think she's doing fantastic work with it.

01:15:31.000 And I was just surprised you disagreed on that point.

01:15:33.000 That's all.

01:15:34.000 Yeah.

01:15:34.000 Well, and that's legitimate.

01:15:36.000 I guess for me, you know, your point about it's funny, like that does resonate with me because I thought that way for a long time.

01:15:45.000 I would look at something like that and say, oh, you know, we're doing it for the lulz.

01:15:48.000 We're doing it, you know, because we're trolling Macron.

01:15:51.000 We're trolling everybody.

01:15:53.000 But what I have come to learn over the years is that a lot of the things that seem random or seem like they're based on hype, they're all coordinated.

01:16:02.000 And that doesn't mean that everything.

01:16:05.000 That is absolutely true.

01:16:07.000 And there are systems and there are groups and there are piles of money being thrown around.

01:16:11.000 You're absolutely right about that.

01:16:12.000 I want to make it clear.

01:16:13.000 You're completely correct.

01:16:15.000 Yeah.

01:16:15.000 So that's where I, and I'm not saying, and I said it on Bradley Martin as far as Candace is concerned.

01:16:21.000 I said, everything I say about the Brigitte Macron thing is speculative.

01:16:25.000 You know, is it a Russian operation?

01:16:27.000 I said, that is a theory.

01:16:28.000 That's like a working postulate that I haven't really even researched, but just that's sort of where my gut says.

01:16:35.000 And we just do need to be mindful.

01:16:37.000 As I grow older, I see these kinds of memes, trends.

01:16:40.000 And it's easy when you're 18 and you have no orientation of politics.

01:16:45.000 You kind of like, you know, when you're a kid, you don't know how this stuff works.

01:16:48.000 And for me, I was a young edge lord.

01:16:51.000 I was a young shit poster troll.

01:16:53.000 And you'd see the bigger accounts in the group chats pushing a meme, a certain narrative, something.

01:16:59.000 And you say, oh, I like this poster.

01:17:01.000 I like Gavin McGinnis.

01:17:02.000 I like this guy, that guy, whatever.

01:17:04.000 What they're pushing is funny.

01:17:06.000 And I'm just using him as an example of a big poster.

01:17:08.000 And you go, yeah, we're going to join in on this.

01:17:10.000 And as I get older, I realize a lot of that stuff is backed by money.

01:17:14.000 It's coordinated.

01:17:15.000 It is like, it's a domain of warfare.

01:17:17.000 It's information warfare.

01:17:19.000 And that's why I'm just very, I scrutinize it a lot more and I'm very careful.

01:17:23.000 I fully believe that Candace believes what she's saying.

01:17:27.000 I actually don't doubt her sincerity.

01:17:30.000 I just think that that whole narrative, maybe someone gave it to her, it might be a possibility.

01:17:36.000 And even to the extent that it exists in Russia, it's either kookery or it is being picked up by an intelligence agency for some reason, because it's very strange and conspicuous, the whole thing.

01:17:46.000 So especially this, like this idea that the West is like satanic, pedophile, elite.

01:17:53.000 I don't doubt that there's something like that going on when you look at like spirit cooking and the podestas and Pizzagate.

01:18:00.000 I also think that sometimes foreign intelligence leans into narratives like that to sow discontent or dissonance inside of our society.

01:18:10.000 And it's our job to discern those things.

01:18:13.000 It doesn't mean that every narrative like that is fake.

01:18:16.000 It doesn't mean, and you know, not every narrative like that is true.

01:18:19.000 It's up to us to discern.

01:18:21.000 And so as far as the Brigitte thing is concerned, I think Candace is sincere.

01:18:26.000 I don't find it very compelling.

01:18:28.000 And I think at the minimum, it is being picked up by Russia on some level because Russia is adversaries with France.

01:18:35.000 And as you know, the more you get into politics, the more you realize everything proceeds from intelligence and defense.

01:18:43.000 Everything proceeds from the national security state.

01:18:45.000 Yep.

01:18:46.000 The energy needs, the technology, the media information domain.

01:18:50.000 These are all domains of warfare.

01:18:52.000 We're in the age of complexity.

01:18:53.000 And so if I can impress nothing else on my followers, it's that.

01:18:57.000 It's all warfare.

01:18:59.000 It's all ongoing, open, everyone against everyone warfare, even in the information space.

01:19:04.000 No, you made some very important points.

01:19:05.000 And I'll make a quick personal story.

01:19:09.000 Even when I was accused of human trafficking and locked up and all this bullshit, the American right never really disliked me in any regard.

01:19:16.000 They all defended me.

01:19:17.000 Even Ben Shapiro said that Andrew is correct about the things he says, but he has some of the wrong solutions, but he's by and large correct about the problems with society.

01:19:26.000 The whole American right supported me.

01:19:28.000 When I first got out of jail, there was nobody on the American right who disliked me until October 8th, when I told Piers Morgan that Israel was conducting a genocide.

01:19:37.000 And then the entire American right turned on me instantly, saying that I'm a degenerate because I have sex with more than one girl and that I'm a terrible person and I'm a pimp and all these things.

01:19:47.000 These were accounts that were defending me the day before.

01:19:50.000 And that was organized inside of Telegram groups that I've had access to and they were paid money to all instantly slander me and turn on me.

01:19:56.000 So you're completely correct.

01:19:57.000 You're also completely correct in saying this is being picked up by Russian intelligence.

01:20:01.000 Yeah, it was.

01:20:02.000 I was fighting in China when the George Floyd riots were going on.

01:20:06.000 And before my fight, I was watching the Chinese news and the Chinese news was saying that once again, America is in turmoil as all of its unhappy citizens riot against their oppressors. 0.58

01:20:16.000 The black people hate the white people and everybody hates the government equally and everybody's dying. 0.55

01:20:21.000 Did China instigate the George Floyd riots?

01:20:24.000 I don't know.

01:20:24.000 Or perhaps they just saw some division and jumped on it because that's what foreign intel agencies do.

01:20:30.000 I don't think Russia told Candace to do it.

01:20:33.000 And I know you lightly alluded to a theory that somehow her and I were getting paid by Russia or something.

01:20:41.000 I can tell you from personal experience, that's absolutely not the case.

01:20:44.000 So yeah, they jumped on it, but I don't think that takes away any of the validity of what she's doing.

01:20:49.000 You're right in saying that absolutely everything is run by the intel agencies.

01:20:52.000 That is correct.

01:20:53.000 We're in a permanent and endless state of never-ending war.

01:20:57.000 And America and Europe as a whole, their only Chance of competing against China is to ally, especially China and Russia now that they're so close.

01:21:05.000 So, I do believe that there has to be some degree in the European continent, some degree of interest.

01:21:09.000 And I just think that perhaps, once again, I'm talking about feels an instant, my instant thoughts when I saw your takedown of the Brigitte series.

01:21:18.000 I just thought, is that really genuine from Nick, or is that an attack?

01:21:22.000 And once again, this is a personalist decision.

01:21:25.000 This is me speaking from my personality.

01:21:28.000 I wasn't the one who was attacked by them like you were, but I have been attacked by a lot of people who I still currently talk to, work with, or promote because I think it's better for the larger fight.

01:21:38.000 So, I agree with everything you're saying.

01:21:40.000 I understand exactly where you're coming from.

01:21:41.000 I think we're better as a team if we can all manage to work together.

01:21:44.000 I also think there's a degree of, you know, Hollywood and arguments and fighting.

01:21:52.000 All these things are very interesting to the Anon who never has to put his face anywhere.

01:21:56.000 You're never based enough for the Anon account who has nothing to risk and nothing to lose.

01:22:00.000 And these people are trying to instigate the endless wars, and they like that we all argue because for them, it's entertaining.

01:22:05.000 And it's also great for them to come and write on my posts or Ian Carroll's posts or anyone's posts and say, you mentioned the Jews 99 times, but you didn't mention them 100 times.

01:22:13.000 So you're a Jew. 0.86

01:22:14.000 It's like, okay, well, you have nothing to lose.

01:22:16.000 And you also, nobody listens to you, and nothing you say actually matters.

01:22:21.000 And if you're going to be up here like you are, you understand very well the importance of nuance.

01:22:26.000 You understand very well the importance of picking your battles.

01:22:29.000 You understand very well the importance of being funny.

01:22:31.000 The only reason you're not in jail is because you're funny.

01:22:34.000 And the only reason I'm not in jail is because I'm funny.

01:22:36.000 And a lot of these people who want to say the same things we say can't be funny.

01:22:39.000 And humor is a shield.

01:22:41.000 And a lot of people don't understand that.

01:22:42.000 They're not smart enough to discern that we get away with doing what we do because we're funny with it.

01:22:47.000 And there's a whole lot of things happening.

01:22:50.000 And my point by and large for the Groipers is: I believe in the movement. 0.99

01:22:54.000 I think it's fantastic.

01:22:55.000 I think it's fantastic if we all work together.

01:22:57.000 I just highlighted that I didn't think it was genuine when you attacked the Brigitte thing, but you defended yourself and I accept it.

01:23:03.000 Yeah.

01:23:05.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:23:05.000 Can you guys hear me?

01:23:06.000 Yes.

01:23:07.000 It's been a minute.

01:23:07.000 No, so I was fixing a lot of the stuff behind the scenes.

01:23:10.000 The lag is gone.

01:23:10.000 Apologize for that.

01:23:12.000 And I know you guys wanted to talk this stuff out.

01:23:14.000 So I just wanted to make sure, you know, let y'all get, you know, the Groiper stuff, Candice, Tucker.

01:23:18.000 I know that's like pressing stuff.

01:23:21.000 But do you guys want to hit anything else before I go into the questions or whatever?

01:23:24.000 Or?

01:23:25.000 No, I think we, yeah, I mean, we sort of resolved the main stuff so far.

01:23:30.000 So yeah, let's dive in.

01:23:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:32.000 So basically, I got a couple of questions here.

01:23:35.000 And I think it'll be interesting because, you know, we can sit here and talk about certain topics and stuff like that.

01:23:40.000 But I think these questions will give people a better insight as to, you know, your guys' mindset on some things.

01:23:46.000 So what I'll do is I got these questions.

01:23:48.000 I'll answer it first to give you guys time to, you know, come up with your own things because some of them are pretty thought-provoking.

01:23:53.000 So I'll kind of keep it simple.

01:23:54.000 So the first one I was going to ask was: looking back, what book, person, or event red-pilled you, right?

01:24:03.000 And how did that change the trajectory of your content or public persona?

01:24:08.000 So for me, the thing that red-pilled me, and I kind of broke it down into categories, what red-pilled me on women was reading the mystery method and a book called Conquer Your Campus when I was like graduating from high school, getting ready to go to college.

01:24:20.000 Like that's what red-pilled me on women, figuring out this, you know, this whole thing about how important social status is to them and how they're looking for a small percentage of men. 0.82

01:24:28.000 That's like when I found out about like the 80-20 rule, the Pareto principle, right?

01:24:32.000 What Jude, so what Judy?

01:24:34.000 What red-pilled me on the Juice was 9-11 and JFK, right?

01:24:38.000 No matter how you slice and dice it, there was absolutely Israeli fingerprints all over 9-11, all over the JFK assassination, especially when you look at the nuclear weapon component, which is almost never mentioned in mainstream American media.

01:24:52.000 Hell, even the movie JFK by Oliver Stone did everything in their power to omit the nuclear weapons angle.

01:24:59.000 And then you find out that the movie was funded by a guy named Arnon Milchan was literally Israeli intelligence from the unacknowledged nuclear program.

01:25:06.000 So like they had an incentive to keep that information from Americans.

01:25:10.000 And this stuff has been like suppressed for a while.

01:25:11.000 So that definitely red-pilled me when it came to that.

01:25:13.000 And then when it comes to money, real estate, usery, and basically central banking is what red-pilled me on money.

01:25:19.000 So I'll turn it to you guys.

01:25:20.000 I mean, if you want to break it down in categories, you can.

01:25:23.000 But those are the things that I would say red-pilled me on those three topics.

01:25:31.000 Andrew, you want to go in and write first.

01:25:35.000 Isn't that how it works?

01:25:36.000 Yeah.

01:25:36.000 So the question is basically back, what book, person, or event red-pilled you, right?

01:25:45.000 And changed the way that you would make content or change the trajectory of how you would make content for the rest of your life.

01:25:50.000 What was like the red pill on women, so to speak, or the red pill on finance or whatever it may be?

01:25:55.000 But either one of you guys could take it.

01:25:59.000 All right, then I'll go.

01:26:00.000 I'll go.

01:26:01.000 Should I go?

01:26:02.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:26:03.000 So, yeah, a lot of my views come from personal experience.

01:26:08.000 I weren't saying, I wouldn't say they were a book as such.

01:26:10.000 I wouldn't say it was a movie I watched that red pilled me. 0.99

01:26:13.000 I would say that, you know, Nick is definitely the figurehead of the movement against Jewish influence. 0.98

01:26:19.000 And I think that I am and was the figurehead of the movement against feminism.

01:26:24.000 And a lot of people have now come along and said that women are the foot soldiers of the Jewish influence.

01:26:29.000 And perhaps that's true.

01:26:31.000 But every single problem I saw with society led back to one place.

01:26:35.000 And that doesn't mean they're bad people.

01:26:36.000 It doesn't mean women are inherently evil. 1.00

01:26:38.000 It means that societies have always been productive and functioned a certain way with a patriarchy.

01:26:44.000 And it allowed us to fend off foreign invaders and reproduce and have children and be in love.

01:26:50.000 And it allowed men to feel like they had a stake in society worth fighting for.

01:26:55.000 Men used to paint a beautiful girl on the side of a Spitfire and go die.

01:26:59.000 Like we did all of this for women, not because we hated women.

01:27:02.000 We didn't oppress women. 1.00

01:27:03.000 We did it for them in service to them.

01:27:06.000 And it turns out they've been massively ungrateful for that.

01:27:10.000 And nearly any problem you can name, I can tie back to one thing.

01:27:14.000 And it comes down to girls chasing Instagram likes instead of children and not listening to men. 0.93

01:27:20.000 So I kind of came to this conclusion myself.

01:27:23.000 And by and large, I had this mentality for a very long time.

01:27:27.000 And I didn't really blow up on the internet until COVID when I decided to really fight back against the systems in the Matrix because COVID was complete insanity.

01:27:34.000 And I was living in Sweden at the time in absolute freedom, by the way, with no mask, no vaccine, completely normal society while the rest of the world were locked in their houses.

01:27:43.000 And I thought, this is crazy.

01:27:44.000 So that's when I started to blow up online and get big.

01:27:48.000 And I never began the crusade intending on becoming the most Googled man in the world.

01:27:53.000 A lot of people don't actually know that in 2022, 2022, before I was arrested, I was saying to Tristan, this is the story of Icarus.

01:28:02.000 We're way too big.

01:28:03.000 They're going to come and they're going to get us.

01:28:05.000 Turns out the UK Foreign Office wrote to the Romanians, and I have that on paper.

01:28:09.000 I have proof of them doing that, saying, shut this guy up.

01:28:11.000 He's a national security issue because they knew that my momentum had to be stopped.

01:28:17.000 And if I were to continue to red pill and continue to mobilize the young men of the world, that they would lose their grip on society. 0.98

01:28:24.000 And that's why to this day, the UK government has an active warrant for my arrest because they know if I go to England, the Bruv Party will win the next election. 0.99

01:28:33.000 They know that.

01:28:34.000 So the second I land, I get thrown into jail for basically ever.

01:28:37.000 And that's what they're doing to try and keep their grip on power.

01:28:40.000 So a lot of it was just my own conclusions.

01:28:43.000 And then I saw how upset everybody got by me saying these things.

01:28:46.000 And I realized that if people are getting so mad by it, there has to be an element of truth to it.

01:28:51.000 If I sit here and say the sky is green, everyone will ignore me.

01:28:53.000 They don't care when you lie.

01:28:55.000 They care when you say things that are close to the truth.

01:28:57.000 And I kind of ran with it.

01:28:58.000 And I wouldn't say there was any particular thing I read.

01:29:01.000 A lot of it was just personal experience and tying it back to all the same problem because I believe patriarchal societies, if our society became patriarchal tomorrow, we could instantly fix 95% of the issues we currently face.

01:29:13.000 And if you look at the societies which are actually succeeding now, if you look at the Middle East and the societies that are successful from a birth rate perspective, from a safety perspective, from an economic perspective, they're all patriarchal societies.

01:29:24.000 And my major point I was making is that the West has now become a matriarchy. 1.00

01:29:28.000 America is a matriarchal society currently as it stands right now today. 1.00

01:29:32.000 Even under Trump, it's matriarchal. 1.00

01:29:34.000 If a man wants to have power, if he wants to be in Senate or be a politician, he has to parade his wife around for some reason. 1.00

01:29:41.000 Putin doesn't have to parade his wife around.

01:29:43.000 I've never seen the king of Saudi parade his wife around.

01:29:46.000 What do their wife even know about politics? 1.00

01:29:48.000 Why are they there?

01:29:49.000 I don't know.

01:29:50.000 But we live in this insane matriarchy where women have so much power over men and they're using it to suppress and destroy the most masculine of men, which are the ones who are going to be tasked with defending the society. 1.00

01:30:03.000 So I always had this gripe with that and that alone.

01:30:06.000 And it turns out that big women are as powerful as big pharma and big education and big Jew because they fucking came for me. 1.00

01:30:14.000 They did not like what I said.

01:30:16.000 And they came for me hard.

01:30:17.000 And of course, they accuse you of crimes against women because it makes perfect sense for them to attack you with it.

01:30:22.000 And here I am, 11 court cases deep.

01:30:25.000 I've been federally investigated by the American government, the British government, the Polish government, the Hungarian government, the Romanian government.

01:30:31.000 No one has enough evidence to put me in jail showing I'm actually completely more innocent than the man you walk past in the mall.

01:30:37.000 If anyone else went through this level of shit, they'd be in fucking jail.

01:30:40.000 So also, tying back to our earlier conversation, there is part of me that thinks I've been through all this shit and then I get called a Jew and a Fed.

01:30:50.000 Like, because I was the one who was red pilling the generation, I was the one who took all this risk to help everybody. 0.69

01:30:56.000 And now you go on Twitter and call me these things.

01:30:59.000 It does, even though you don't care, it does make you think, well, what's the point in trying then?

01:31:05.000 And this is why the elites win, by the way, especially in my position.

01:31:09.000 I have $700 million liquid.

01:31:11.000 I can just fucking fuck off on a yacht and say, fuck those peasants and just go be one of them. 1.00

01:31:17.000 And I don't do that.

01:31:18.000 I sit here and I try and tell the truth and I try and be honest about things.

01:31:21.000 And you get so little gratitude for it that I do believe when I'm talking about how our movements are subverted by the extremity on the inside of the movement.

01:31:32.000 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

01:31:34.000 And as Nick continues on his run, as he becomes more and more powerful, as he does more and more fantastic things and becomes a larger and larger political force, when X amount of his own movement turn on him and start calling him a Jew for something he once said, even he's going to sit there and go, this is fucking, what the fuck am I even trying for?

01:31:50.000 Why did I get debanked for these fuckers?

01:31:52.000 And that's what happened.

01:31:53.000 So all in all, mine was just personal experience with women, bro.

01:31:57.000 I mean, I didn't have to watch Fresh and Fit.

01:31:59.000 I knew what was going on for a very long time.

01:32:01.000 Yeah.

01:32:02.000 And I just added to what you were saying, because you were saying like, you know, obviously patriarchies just win in general.

01:32:06.000 And I would argue COVID was also like a big red pill because since women tend to defer to the masses, the fact that we locked down, the fact that we had all these scares, that I think is very indicative of how much we value the communitarian nature of the reason they're so scared of me and the reason they're trying to get rid of me is because when you have women in charge of a society, you can use emotional arguments. 0.99

01:32:31.000 It's not complicated.

01:32:32.000 You put women in charge and then you use an emotional argument to manipulate the women and the women yell at their husbands and Matt Walsh says, okay, and then they sit at home all day and that's what happens.

01:32:41.000 So COVID was one big emotional argument, but grandma was the fucking argument for locking us all in our house for years.

01:32:49.000 That's a female mentality. 1.00

01:32:51.000 A man would sit and say, well, grandma's going to die anyway. 0.94

01:32:53.000 Grandma's 94 and I need to go to work.

01:32:56.000 So men can be more ruthless and more logical.

01:32:58.000 So yeah, COVID was one big psyop run from the matriarchal frame, all of it. 0.69

01:33:03.000 And every single man who was scared of his wife got the vaccine because of grandma.

01:33:06.000 And every single man who was in charge of his women said, none of us are getting the vaccine.

01:33:10.000 This is bullshit.

01:33:10.000 Shut up and turn it off and live their life as normal.

01:33:13.000 So yeah, absolutely.

01:33:14.000 And the primary objective of the Matrix, and I'm fighting a different fight than Nick and a different fight from you, but I truly believe the reason they are so hard on trying to make sure in every movie, in the culture, in the law, and all of these mechanisms that women are above men is because they can simply scare the women or use an emotional argument on the women. 0.65

01:33:33.000 And if they're in charge of society, then they have absolute control over the society and they don't need to convince us of anything.

01:33:38.000 Men must be convinced.

01:33:40.000 You have to convince me.

01:33:42.000 You don't have to convince a woman.

01:33:43.000 You have to scare her.

01:33:44.000 And that's much easier to do when you put up some Chinese dude falling over. 1.00

01:33:48.000 I never saw anyone fall over on the street, but in China, supposedly they're falling over left and fucking right. 0.83

01:33:52.000 And chicks had a mental breakdown. 1.00

01:33:54.000 So I went to war against that because I saw it was all just a matriarchal mindset. 1.00

01:33:59.000 And maybe I level deeper, yeah, perhaps there's not perhaps certainly there are groups and people who are doing this on purpose and weaponizing women against men.

01:34:09.000 They've certainly weaponized women against me. 1.00

01:34:11.000 I mean, I'm the fucking, from personal experience, they call a thousand women who know me and they find one idiot and I get dragged to jail.

01:34:18.000 I mean, they certainly weaponize women against me. 1.00

01:34:20.000 So perhaps women are not the tip of the spear. 1.00

01:34:23.000 Perhaps they're the foot soldier.

01:34:24.000 Perhaps they're the pawn and not the king and the queen.

01:34:26.000 That's another argument.

01:34:27.000 But that's where all of my mindset came from.

01:34:29.000 And That's why I was on the crusade I was on.

01:34:32.000 And a lot of people misinterpreted, and a lot of stupid people in my own movement misunderstood me and thought that means that you can beat the shit out of women or shoot them or run around, you know, and all these crazy things, which once again gets applied to me.

01:34:46.000 And I go to jail.

01:34:47.000 And that's not what I was saying.

01:34:48.000 I was saying that the world's a happier place with men in charge.

01:34:51.000 That's what I was trying to do.

01:34:52.000 What about you, Nick?

01:34:53.000 I'll repeat it because I know we basically.

01:34:55.000 No, I remember.

01:34:56.000 I remember.

01:34:57.000 What red pilled you?

01:34:58.000 Yeah, I got red pilled back in 2016, and it was a process like it is for everybody.

01:35:04.000 I was a basic bitch conservative when I was in high school because I read all the libertarian stuff and I read all the conservative and neoconservative stuff.

01:35:13.000 And I was just your, I was a Ben Shapiro fan, enough said.

01:35:17.000 That's just what there was.

01:35:18.000 You know, back in those days, if you were a mainstream person, you had Prager U, Breitbart, you had, you know, the usual suspects.

01:35:26.000 And what red pilled me, Trump was a big part of it.

01:35:30.000 Sam Hyde was a big part of it.

01:35:32.000 But I had a buddy of mine.

01:35:33.000 He was like autistic. 0.96

01:35:34.000 He was a straight up Asperger's genius. 0.98

01:35:37.000 And he was on 4chan all the time.

01:35:40.000 And he was a good friend of mine.

01:35:41.000 We were in Model UN and other stuff together.

01:35:44.000 And I'll never forget.

01:35:45.000 I must have been a junior, a senior in high school.

01:35:48.000 And he called me into this room when we were setting up for our Model UN conference.

01:35:53.000 And somebody goes, Oh, Nick, there's this sophomore that's saying the Holocaust never happened.

01:35:59.000 And I was like, Really?

01:36:00.000 So I go in, I hear him out.

01:36:02.000 I said, Yeah, that's sort of interesting.

01:36:04.000 And then we went and we campaigned for Paul Nealon that summer, a couple of years later.

01:36:08.000 And I was hitting him with all the Israel arguments. 0.66

01:36:11.000 This is in 2016.

01:36:12.000 I'm saying, but they fought four wars of extermination against Israel.

01:36:17.000 Like Israel is this island of civilization and a sea of barbarians, all the usual shit. 1.00

01:36:24.000 And he fought back and made the case for the Palestinians and for the Arabs and all this.

01:36:29.000 And I said, Wow, that's really interesting.

01:36:32.000 And what really did it for me is I got to the point in college.

01:36:35.000 There were a number of other things that happened to me over time, but I got to the point in college where I said, Is it all a Jewish conspiracy? 0.60

01:36:43.000 And I thought to myself, There's got to be an argument that it isn't.

01:36:47.000 Like there must, like, are they really suppressing this truth?

01:36:51.000 There's got to be like a book out there that debunks all this stuff.

01:36:54.000 And then what really did it for me is that on 9-11 in 2016, during the election, if you remember, Hillary Clinton was like not well.

01:37:03.000 She was sick.

01:37:04.000 And on 9-11, she did a thing with Donald Trump, actually.

01:37:07.000 They were both in New York for the anniversary of 9-11 on the same day, and she fainted.

01:37:12.000 And they literally picked her up like a ragdoll and threw her into a van. 1.00

01:37:17.000 I don't know if you remember that video, but she was literally like ragdoll and they fucking tossed her in a van. 0.99

01:37:23.000 And then five hours later, they had all these explanations.

01:37:27.000 They said, oh, well, it's too hot.

01:37:29.000 Oh, she actually had pneumonia.

01:37:31.000 And she comes out of Chelsea Clinton's apartment and hugs like a little girl.

01:37:36.000 And it's like, wait a second.

01:37:37.000 So first you said it was too hot.

01:37:39.000 Then you said she has pneumonia.

01:37:40.000 But if she has pneumonia, why is she hugging this kid?

01:37:43.000 And everyone in the media lied about it.

01:37:45.000 And in that moment, I knew if they could lie about this, they could lie about anything because they're willing and they're able to lie.

01:37:53.000 And if people are not willing to investigate it or dig deeper because of censorship, because of, you know, it's regulated press, I said, then they could lie about all this stuff.

01:38:02.000 And that for me, that's when I realized this like benefit of the doubt could not be afforded to any narrative because that's really what it is.

01:38:11.000 No one has investigated the vast majority of people at that point had not investigated the 9-11 truth movement or the Holocaust or Israel or any of these things.

01:38:22.000 All they had was the benefit of the doubt.

01:38:24.000 That stuff is conspiracy territory.

01:38:28.000 We believe the government.

01:38:29.000 We believe the mainstream narrative.

01:38:31.000 And I said, if they could lie about something that I saw with my own eyes, then we can't afford the official narrative the benefit of the doubt on any of these things.

01:38:40.000 And so that was the big break for me.

01:38:42.000 It wasn't a book.

01:38:43.000 It was just kind of this gradual noticing and kind of taking this tenuous frame, you know, for how to perceive things and just seeing it confirmed over and over.

01:38:54.000 And then when I saw that, I said, it's totally plausible that they're covering it up.

01:38:58.000 And that was it for me.

01:38:59.000 Shit.

01:39:00.000 So that perfectly dovetails into my next question.

01:39:02.000 So my next question is, what was your first comment, tweet, video, or anything else that forever puts you in the controversial category?

01:39:12.000 And I'll go first on this one, then turn it to you guys.

01:39:15.000 The thing that got me automatically put in the box of, you know, misogynists or whatever, which is kind of like how all this started was back in 2020.

01:39:24.000 I made a comment saying, if woman flakes on a date, you need to punish that bad behavior and she's got to go ahead and pay for the first round of drinks when you guys meet up on the reschedule, right? 1.00

01:39:35.000 And like the view and a bunch of, you know, left-wing shows looked at it like, what, are we dogs?

01:39:41.000 This guy's over here saying you got to, you got to punish bad behavior.

01:39:44.000 But what I was really doing was I was telling guys, like, you can't accept poor behavior from women and reward it. 1.00

01:39:49.000 So you got to, you know, if she makes a mistake, you got to make her pay for that.

01:39:53.000 And they obviously likened it to training a dog, which hey, maybe that's what I meant.

01:39:57.000 But the point is, is that after I made that comment, because it went viral on TikTok, it got millions of views.

01:40:01.000 And this is right after I had left the government, right?

01:40:03.000 I wasn't even on the internet like that.

01:40:05.000 And this is back when TikTok still had an organic, you know, sharing ability with the algorithm.

01:40:11.000 So I would say that was the first thing that kind of got me in there.

01:40:14.000 And then obviously a bunch of other things I said about women and, you know, top H and all this other shit. 0.69

01:40:19.000 But I would say that's the one thing that like started it.

01:40:22.000 So what about you guys?

01:40:23.000 I know you guys probably have a couple of things that like put you on the map, but what would you guys say is the most controversial thing you said that put you in this box forever?

01:40:34.000 Nick, most controversial thing that got me in there.

01:40:38.000 There was a lot of things over the years, you know, one thing after the next.

01:40:42.000 I would say it was the cookie joke is really what did it because, you know, and it's so stupid.

01:40:48.000 It's always the dumbest shit, isn't it?

01:40:50.000 It's never like your actual good jokes, your favorite jokes.

01:40:54.000 It's always the stupid shit that they use.

01:40:56.000 And, you know, at that point, so, you know, I got canceled in 2017 for just a lot of nonsense.

01:41:04.000 And I was young and I wasn't very big.

01:41:06.000 I was a very minor streamer.

01:41:07.000 And then in 2019, I started to get a little traction because I was going really hard against Charlie Kirk and against Ben Shapiro.

01:41:15.000 And it was going really well.

01:41:16.000 And everybody was on my side.

01:41:18.000 And what they used to kind of shoot me out of the sky was this joke where some super chatter sent in, they said, well, if the cookie monster has 6 million cookies, how long does it take to, you know, whatever?

01:41:30.000 And they used that to frame me as a Holocaust denier.

01:41:34.000 So up until that point, you know, they could have said I was all right.

01:41:37.000 Well, that doesn't mean anything.

01:41:39.000 They could have said I was a white supremacist.

01:41:41.000 Okay, they call everyone that.

01:41:43.000 But then they took that joke and said, oh, he's a Holocaust denier.

01:41:46.000 And they literally, at that point, that joke was a year old.

01:41:50.000 I didn't even come up with it.

01:41:51.000 Someone else sent it.

01:41:52.000 Not that I don't own the sentiment, but it was such a stupid fucking thing.

01:41:56.000 And then I get the Washington Post calling me and saying, Do you deny the Holocaust?

01:42:00.000 Do you believe it was 6 million?

01:42:02.000 And I'm like, really?

01:42:03.000 So that was kind of what really took me out for a minute.

01:42:07.000 And, you know, but they call me fucking everything. 0.58

01:42:09.000 So there's a million reasons I'm canceled.

01:42:11.000 But that was maybe the big one.

01:42:13.000 Yeah.

01:42:13.000 I still use that reference to this day with the whole cookie monster thing.

01:42:16.000 I think it's like a funny way to kind of bring it up.

01:42:18.000 But what about you, Andrew?

01:42:21.000 What would you say is a comment or tweet or statement that puts you in the controversial box forever?

01:42:27.000 Yeah, I was around for a while and I was telling the truth for a while.

01:42:30.000 And then on a podcast in Croatia, we were discussing the age of women.

01:42:35.000 And I said that men prefer women who are younger. 0.65

01:42:38.000 You prefer a woman who's 21 as opposed to 30. 1.00

01:42:41.000 And the people asked why.

01:42:42.000 And I said, because she's been fucked less. 1.00

01:42:44.000 And I made the point that the more men who have fucked her, the less likely she is to truly fall in love with you.

01:42:50.000 So I made this point that it's not pedophilia to like younger women.

01:42:53.000 You're just trying to find a woman with less life experience because by and large, they've been fucked less than older women. 1.00

01:42:58.000 Anyway, I made that point.

01:42:59.000 The podcast came out.

01:43:01.000 The next day, 400 different Instagram accounts had the same post and the same caption saying I was dangerous and misogynistic and homophobic and racist all at once.

01:43:15.000 I didn't even say anything homophobic or racist.

01:43:17.000 They just threw that in there.

01:43:18.000 And this is where I always knew the Matrix was real, but it was kind of flabbergasting.

01:43:22.000 The next day, I woke up and 400 accounts had the exact same post about me.

01:43:27.000 Also, the ADL said I was anti-Semitic on this day.

01:43:30.000 I was like, I didn't even mention the Jews ever at this point.

01:43:32.000 I never even mentioned them.

01:43:33.000 And now I'm on that list.

01:43:35.000 So that was really weird.

01:43:36.000 And then 24 hours after that, I got the mass ban.

01:43:40.000 Every single app on my phone logged out.

01:43:42.000 My Gmail, my Skype, my Airbnb.

01:43:44.000 I got banned on Instagram, banned on Discord.

01:43:47.000 WhatsApp was banned.

01:43:49.000 Every single application, they banned me overnight and they started to put me on the BBC saying that I'm dangerous.

01:43:54.000 And I was banned for being a terrorist.

01:43:56.000 Was this worse than Depression Isn't Real?

01:43:59.000 Because I remember when you said Depression.

01:44:00.000 Depression wasn't real, got traction, and a lot of people, you know, were unhappy by it.

01:44:04.000 But that was the one comment that really sent the world into overdrive.

01:44:08.000 And I sat there and I thought, why are they so threatened by that?

01:44:12.000 And the extension is very simple.

01:44:14.000 If you tell men to have standards for themselves, you're now an enemy of the system because they don't want men to have any degree of standard.

01:44:21.000 And that's where the right-wing Christians and the Catholics hate me because they're basically saying, don't have standards.

01:44:27.000 They're saying, meet a woman and marry her and do the right thing. 1.00

01:44:29.000 Well, she's probably a fucking whore, bro. 1.00

01:44:31.000 I'm not doing that.

01:44:32.000 And they say I'm a bad person.

01:44:34.000 Well, I make a whole bunch of white babies. 1.00

01:44:36.000 I'm white enough.

01:44:36.000 When I find a white woman, my kids look white as snow.

01:44:39.000 So I'm out here having white babies.

01:44:41.000 And throughout all of the bullshit I've been through, have any of my women betrayed me?

01:44:46.000 We saw what happened with Crowder's wife and all these people.

01:44:48.000 Have anyone come out and betrayed me?

01:44:50.000 Some whores have come out and accused me of bullshit. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Have any of the women with my kids or the women I'm close with betrayed me, let me down, or have they all stuck by me the entire way through?

01:45:00.000 Like I have good women around me with good loyalty inside of them. 0.86

01:45:04.000 So I must be doing something right.

01:45:06.000 But as soon as I told men to have any degree of standard for themselves and not instantly accept women and all their bad decisions, the entire system had a meltdown. 0.99

01:45:17.000 And I think that's what really red-pilled me and made me realize that, yeah, big women's a thing. 1.00

01:45:23.000 And perhaps, Andrew, 2021, 2021.

01:45:27.000 I think it's a couple layers below perhaps the true power structures at the top, but women are certainly the pawns. 1.00

01:45:32.000 They're the foot soldiers, convincing.

01:45:35.000 And this is the thing that's so sad about it.

01:45:37.000 And this is the thing when I make these tweets, which are deliberately prerogative and people attack me for them.

01:45:42.000 They're deliberately using women to attack white men. 0.90

01:45:47.000 Only white men listen to women. 1.00

01:45:49.000 Black men don't listen to women. 1.00

01:45:51.000 We don't listen to what they say.

01:45:53.000 We don't care.

01:45:54.000 White men are the only ones who say, well, the wife said one kid's enough.

01:45:58.000 Well, if you're going to listen to her and she's a tool being used to get rid of your race, well, then you're going to go extinct. 0.93

01:46:05.000 So I realized I really hit a nerve with that because of the massive backlash.

01:46:10.000 And then my legal problems began.

01:46:12.000 And then the UK Foreign Office wrote to the Romanians and we all know the rest of the story.

01:46:16.000 So that's when I really knew I was close to something.

01:46:19.000 And big women is a serious fight. 1.00

01:46:21.000 And I think a lot of people underestimate how much trouble you can get in for just saying as a man that you're allowed to have standards and you're allowed to expect loyalty and integrity from females.

01:46:31.000 And for the same reason, you don't want disloyal men around you.

01:46:34.000 You don't want disloyal women around you.

01:46:36.000 And their pasts do matter because if someone was a thief their whole life, they're going to continue to steal.

01:46:41.000 And if they were a whore their whole life, they'll continue to be a whore. 1.00

01:46:43.000 And all of these things are very valid.

01:46:45.000 But for some reason, you cannot say them.

01:46:46.000 And at the time, the internet was a lot more controlled.

01:46:49.000 Nick, Nick, with all due respect, was you barely saw him.

01:46:53.000 They had his ass locked out.

01:46:55.000 And I was around a little bit, but Kamala was in charge and all these things. 1.00

01:46:59.000 And they did their very best to get rid of me.

01:47:02.000 So that's when I really realized that they are very threatened by the basic idea of masculine integrity, sovereignty, and honor and strength.

01:47:12.000 They're threatened by men who are not afraid of them.

01:47:16.000 That's all it is.

01:47:17.000 They're threatened by men who do not bend to peer pressure.

01:47:19.000 I got a question for you, Nick, because when it comes to women, me and Tate have a very similar ideology: get sexual experience, increase your net worth, become the highest status you can be, and then kind of have your pick of the litter and get to a position where female sexual leverage can no longer control you, right?

01:47:37.000 Someone like yourself, right?

01:47:38.000 You're religious, you're devout Catholic.

01:47:40.000 Obviously, you're young.

01:47:41.000 You have a huge young audience that follows you.

01:47:44.000 Obviously, on one end, you have the Catholic mindset where, you know, monogamy, one wife, et cetera.

01:47:51.000 But on the other hand, we know the realities of modern women now in 2025 versus 1955.

01:47:56.000 And a lot of people that are your kind of counterparts, like I'm Matt Walsh, et cetera, Advocate for the monogamy style, despite the fact that we're dealing with modern women. 0.83

01:48:05.000 So, as a guy that's like religious, right?

01:48:08.000 That's religious, but still based on what modern women are. 1.00

01:48:11.000 What's your take on this situation?

01:48:13.000 How should men navigate the parsexual marketplace, in your opinion? 0.51

01:48:18.000 Well, I, you know, I did a whole show about this on the Walsh versus Tate debate.

01:48:23.000 And obviously, I'm Catholic, so I do believe in one, uh, one wife, one wife, monogamous, no adultery, no cheating, and you have kids.

01:48:33.000 Um, but I do think that the Tradcaths, the traditionalists, they're just not being honest about the deal. 0.99

01:48:41.000 Uh, they want to LARP like it's the 50s, but it's not the 50s, and that matters.

01:48:45.000 You know, they're telling everybody, get married young, have more kids than you can afford.

01:48:50.000 And that was the law, you know, 100 years ago.

01:48:53.000 Maybe that was the rule.

01:48:54.000 That's what everybody was doing.

01:48:56.000 But the whole situation was different.

01:48:58.000 There was a social and cultural taboo against women even being like bossy, mouthy, sarcastic. 0.89

01:49:06.000 They didn't want to be a shrew.

01:49:07.000 They didn't want to be a bitch. 1.00

01:49:09.000 They couldn't just divorce you with no reason by themselves and then take your stuff and your kids.

01:49:15.000 They didn't have group chats.

01:49:17.000 They didn't have TikTok.

01:49:18.000 They didn't have Instagram.

01:49:19.000 It was a different world.

01:49:20.000 And so, you know, a lot of people like to, it really is a reckless message.

01:49:25.000 And they like to say, out of this LARP, you know, pandering to the crowd, they say, oh, yeah, get married young.

01:49:32.000 Have more kids than you can afford.

01:49:34.000 You know what the elite would hate?

01:49:35.000 Have more kids, all this kind of stuff.

01:49:37.000 And my message to the young men is you really got to get solid before you consider marriage.

01:49:44.000 And when you get married, it's got to be an extremely judicious decision.

01:49:48.000 You know, if you're going to have a wife, and I believe you should have one wife, you got to pick the right one. 1.00

01:49:54.000 And when you pick the right one, you got to lay the ground rules early.

01:49:57.000 You know, a lot of these young Catholic men, they're so taken by the women because they have no experience with them that they become simps and the women run their shit. 0.96

01:50:07.000 And I see it.

01:50:08.000 I know P, I know many people that are like this.

01:50:10.000 You know, I know many young men who are married and the wife runs their shit.

01:50:15.000 She wears the pants.

01:50:16.000 And these good little Catholic boys, it's almost like they buy into it more than the woman does. 0.91

01:50:21.000 Because a good little Catholic guy says, oh, she's an angel.

01:50:25.000 God gave me an angel and all this kind of stuff.

01:50:28.000 And the woman is thinking, this pussy, I'm going to run this guy's life. 1.00

01:50:32.000 I'm going to, I'm the one who's in charge of the house and I hate seeing it.

01:50:37.000 And for this, they call me gay.

01:50:39.000 For this, they say I'm anti-family.

01:50:41.000 For this, they say I'm a fake Catholic.

01:50:43.000 They say, why don't you encourage your followers to get married?

01:50:46.000 I think they should do it, but I think they should do it responsibly.

01:50:49.000 And they got to put the women in their place. 1.00

01:50:51.000 You know, me, here's the thing.

01:50:54.000 I find women incredibly annoying. 1.00

01:50:56.000 I'm a super high IQ person.

01:50:58.000 I find most people annoying in general.

01:51:00.000 I think women are dumber than men. 1.00

01:51:02.000 I find them extraordinarily annoying.

01:51:04.000 And I don't know how most men don't.

01:51:06.000 And if I'm ever going to get married, the arrangement is not going to be that I'm getting nagged, that I'm getting told what to do, that I'm checking in with my wife.

01:51:14.000 It's like, you're going to do your fucking obligations.

01:51:17.000 You're going to leave me alone and you're going to be my wife. 1.00

01:51:20.000 You're not going to be my buddy.

01:51:22.000 You're not going to be my best friend.

01:51:24.000 You're going to be my damn ass wife. 1.00

01:51:26.000 And a lot of people say, oh, well, that means you don't really like women that much.

01:51:29.000 It's like, yeah, I kind of don't.

01:51:31.000 I mean, not as friends.

01:51:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:51:34.000 Like, if I think about it.

01:51:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:37.000 They're annoying, dude.

01:51:38.000 Like, I talk to them every day.

01:51:39.000 It's literally, I don't know anyone that enjoys the company of women. 1.00

01:51:42.000 It fucking sucks.

01:51:42.000 But continue, keep going.

01:51:43.000 I'm just.

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:44.000 I mean, look, you know, you want to fuck them and everything, but like, do I, when I think about I want to go out and have the best time of my life, I think I want to go with my best male friend.

01:51:53.000 I want to go with my best male friend who's intellectual and intelligent and risk-taking and that.

01:52:00.000 I don't think like, oh, we're going to go on a trip.

01:52:02.000 You know what make this really awesome?

01:52:04.000 If my wife were here, if my fucking wife were alive, you know, and here's the litmus test.

01:52:10.000 If there is no possibility of sex at all, are you still going to have a great time with a woman? 0.99

01:52:16.000 Absolutely not.

01:52:17.000 It's only fun if there's a possibility of sex because the game is fun.

01:52:22.000 The game of, am I going to get laid?

01:52:25.000 Am I, you know, when men talk about that, that's the part that's fun.

01:52:28.000 The part that's fun is not her Witty banter.

01:52:31.000 It's not her stupid, fucking inane commentary.

01:52:34.000 It's the fact that you're playing a game.

01:52:36.000 It's like gambling.

01:52:37.000 And anyway, so I try to explain that.

01:52:39.000 It doesn't come across all the time, but that's kind of my, you know, maybe my fence-sitting position.

01:52:45.000 I'm spiritually with Tate, but by law, I'm with Matt Walsh, I guess.

01:52:49.000 And that's kind of why I wanted to ask you that so much because, and Andrew, me and you have had private conversations on this stuff for years, how much women annoy us and stuff like that. 1.00

01:52:57.000 And I find it interesting that, and I'm going to turn it to you, Andrew, that they call us gay.

01:53:01.000 They call us weird because we don't enjoy the company of women. 0.89

01:53:03.000 We'd rather be around like-minded guys that are higher IQ so that we can make each other sharper.

01:53:07.000 But then normies will sit there and be like, you don't want to be around women?

01:53:10.000 You're gay. 1.00

01:53:11.000 Like it's retarded, but go ahead, Andrew. 1.00

01:53:14.000 Yeah, I think white people especially have a very precarious scenario because they're on the risk of basically simping themselves into extinction.

01:53:21.000 Like whenever I see these OnlyFans girls say, I made a million dollars in a day, I know there's not a single nigger who sent her a dollar. 1.00

01:53:27.000 Like that's all white people. 0.97

01:53:29.000 That's white people. 0.62

01:53:30.000 That's white boys. 0.72

01:53:32.000 A lot of them are the same ones talking about getting married.

01:53:35.000 And I can even talk about my webcam company I had, which I've been very honest and open about.

01:53:39.000 All those were white men. 0.89

01:53:40.000 They were all married.

01:53:42.000 They all were, I love my wife, and then going to the toilet with a laptop, jerking off when their wife went to sleep.

01:53:47.000 These people aren't even loyal.

01:53:48.000 That's the worst thing about it.

01:53:50.000 They pretend to be loyal, but perhaps they can't do any better or they're scared of getting divorce raped.

01:53:54.000 They're not even actually genuinely loyal.

01:53:57.000 So white people are in a really precarious scenario because they're the only ones who listen to women at all.

01:54:01.000 And they're on the verge of basically simping themselves into extinction.

01:54:04.000 The OnlyFans girl who just extorted Shannon Sharp and sued him for sexual assault and took all his money, took $10 million and quit her OnlyFans. 0.95

01:54:15.000 All her stories now on Instagram are the Bible and Catholic Church because she just got a fucking payout and now she's walking around there. 1.00

01:54:23.000 And I guess what it's going to be some little white boy Catholic who meets her, holds her hand and says, I can't believe that big black man did those evil things to you. 0.52

01:54:30.000 You definitely didn't want him to fuck you like that, you poor thing. 1.00

01:54:32.000 Let me marry you.

01:54:33.000 Love you, darling, and maybe get one kid out of it before he gets divorced raped and end up fucking sending money to some other OnlyFans girls. 1.00

01:54:41.000 This is a big white problem. 0.92

01:54:43.000 This simping shit is a white issue. 0.93

01:54:44.000 It's a big one.

01:54:47.000 And it's difficult.

01:54:48.000 It is difficult.

01:54:49.000 And I understand what Nick's saying about, you know, he's a Catholic and he has certain rules and certain things he wants to live by.

01:54:54.000 I get it.

01:54:56.000 The life system I came up with was basically me just looking at the chessboard and going, okay, there's the game they want me to play.

01:55:02.000 What's the best move on the board?

01:55:04.000 How do I get children?

01:55:05.000 How do I not end up being nagged?

01:55:07.000 How do I not get divorce raped? 0.91

01:55:08.000 How do I keep my sovereignty?

01:55:10.000 And I made that decision to do those things so I can have 25 children because I believe that's the most important thing to do.

01:55:15.000 But doing that has alienated a huge swath of people doing that.

01:55:20.000 You then say I'm a bad person because I'm not married and I don't have one wife and I'm not Catholic and that I am a terrible Jew for some reason, not understanding that their mindset is the reason they are being replaced in their countries and they are simping themselves to extinction. 0.91

01:55:34.000 They write to me that I'm a bad person with one hand and click pornhub.com with the other fucking hand and jerk off the girls who are actually human trafficked. 0.99

01:55:42.000 So the whole thing is so hypocritical and stupid.

01:55:45.000 But by and large, yeah, there was a pretty simple societal contract, which has now been broken.

01:55:51.000 I'll take care of you.

01:55:53.000 I'll protect and provide for you and you'll do as I say.

01:55:56.000 And that's now been broken and women don't want to listen. 1.00

01:55:59.000 And men are still expected from the TRADCONS at least to do all the work with none of the rewards.

01:56:04.000 And I think, as Nick quite correctly pointed out, it's very jealous.

01:56:07.000 It's very dangerous to tell young men to go and sign up for that deal, especially when the full force of the law will come down anytime she wants and destroy the guy.

01:56:17.000 So before, you know, we're right.

01:56:19.000 We have a lot of things to do when it comes to noticing, a lot of things to do when it comes to getting hold of the reins of power.

01:56:24.000 That's all true.

01:56:25.000 But we also have a lot of things to do when it comes down to the simple fact that we need people to have families that they're proud of that they can reproduce within without being completely fucking decimated emotionally, financially, and most importantly, spiritually.

01:56:39.000 No man is going to go to war for his country if he doesn't feel like the king of his own house.

01:56:43.000 If he comes home and his wife doesn't listen to him and he's getting fucking henpecked, he ain't going to go and defend that street or defend that town.

01:56:50.000 You're breaking the man's spirit.

01:56:52.000 You're breaking his soul over a fucking toilet seat.

01:56:55.000 And you're wondering why they get away with what they get away with.

01:56:58.000 That's why big women are such a threat. 1.00

01:57:00.000 That's why they push it so heavily.

01:57:02.000 That's why they have the full force of the law behind them.

01:57:04.000 Who, by the way, are men with guns, men.

01:57:08.000 So it's a really precarious scenario.

01:57:11.000 And I have a lot of young people who come to me and ask the same question.

01:57:14.000 And I don't even have an answer because I'm in a very unique situation.

01:57:17.000 I'm one of the most famous men on the planet with hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:57:21.000 Of course, I can get women to have my kids. 1.00

01:57:22.000 Of course, I can see them all.

01:57:23.000 I fly my kids around on private jets all day and get them in three in and out of the house a day.

01:57:27.000 No one else can do that.

01:57:29.000 If you're a normal man, what do you do?

01:57:31.000 How do you set yourself up to win?

01:57:33.000 It's extremely difficult, but it is a conundrum that must be solved.

01:57:38.000 So, my next question, and this might be a little bit more in-depth, but obviously, we talked about with you, Andrew, your comments on women in roughly 2021.

01:57:48.000 That kind of put you on the radar.

01:57:50.000 You, Nick, the cookie monster comment getting ostracized by conservative media.

01:57:55.000 At what moment did you say, okay, now I'm 10 toes down on this, right?

01:58:01.000 Like, what made you say, okay, this experience right here, I'm 10 toes down.

01:58:06.000 I could kind of go through me and then turn it over to you guys.

01:58:08.000 For me, as you know, Nick, me and you had been talking about this for what, well over two years now, right?

01:58:15.000 And I credit a lot of my knowledge on this topic of us being, you know, subverted to discussions I had with you, discussions I had with Ryan Dawson, and many others.

01:58:24.000 And at the end of 2023, when I got demonetized, banned off a bunch of different platforms, et cetera, for talking about this, because we were talking about this before October 7th.

01:58:32.000 I want to make it very clear, just to add more credits to what you've been going through, Nick.

01:58:36.000 If you talked about Israel, Zionism, any of this stuff, prior to 10-7, you were pretty much guaranteed to be cooked off any mainstream social media platform, right?

01:58:47.000 So we talked about it before then, and then what ended up happening is I got all this shit happening, right?

01:58:54.000 So the thing that made me say, you know what, fuck it, was when I started seeing limbs of kids getting blown off.

01:59:00.000 When I started seeing that we were paying for literally what's going on right now is a genocide.

01:59:04.000 I think it's irrefutable now that what's going on is a genocide.

01:59:06.000 Every single scholar that's a genocide scholar, hell, even Holocaust researchers are coming out and saying this is a genocide.

01:59:14.000 I said it on October 8th and got 11 months back in jail for it.

01:59:17.000 Yep.

01:59:18.000 Yep.

01:59:18.000 And that was still when things were hazy through the fog of war.

01:59:21.000 But now I would say almost two years later, right?

01:59:23.000 It's pretty apparent what's going on.

01:59:25.000 So for me, after I saw what happened and how Israel responded and used our tax dollars to literally wage not just a war in Gaza, but to conduct a war throughout the entire Middle East, right? 0.50

01:59:35.000 Like they've been doing with, you know, a lot of these, like the Clean Rape Mum or whatever.

01:59:39.000 That's when I said, you know what?

01:59:40.000 I'm going to keep talking about this shit.

01:59:41.000 They're not going to stop me.

01:59:42.000 These motherfuckers rob me of my money. 1.00

01:59:43.000 They robbed me of my platform.

01:59:45.000 I'm not going to let them get away with this shit.

01:59:47.000 So that's kind of where I said, I don't give a fuck anymore.

01:59:50.000 We're going to keep going.

01:59:51.000 What was that moment for you guys?

01:59:56.000 Well, for me, you know, I had got canceled very young.

02:00:01.000 I got canceled when I was 18.

02:00:03.000 And there was really just no other option for me, you know, because I basically got canceled within four months of starting my career, three months.

02:00:12.000 I started my show on February 17.

02:00:14.000 I was canceled by like March or April or May of the same year.

02:00:20.000 And for me, it was the only way out was through.

02:00:23.000 I knew that if I just took my lumps, I was just never going to work in politics.

02:00:28.000 I had already been blacklisted.

02:00:30.000 So the idea that I would get a job at Campus Reform or Daily Wire, Prague or U, I was out.

02:00:35.000 And I was out because of my views.

02:00:37.000 I knew at that time, not even just my views about the Jews, but about race, about any of it, it was just not kosher. 0.68

02:00:45.000 I could not get access or opportunities anywhere.

02:00:48.000 It was so gay back then. 1.00

02:00:50.000 People don't even realize people forget that.

02:00:52.000 And that's why I think I don't get enough credit because back in 17, it was like you had to be on board with like limitless immigration and like gay marriage and feminism to be in the right wing to have a job.

02:01:06.000 Like I remember there were people at like Daily Caller that thought they were based because they would sneak in like the, you know, the most entry-level red pill or something in an article or whatever.

02:01:17.000 So I basically made the decision I was going to have to kind of build my own thing.

02:01:23.000 I was going to have to do my own thing and change the culture, either make my scene on the outside So big, or by existing on the outside, change the inside.

02:01:35.000 And that is, that is what happened either with some of my influence or probably just due to the course of events on some level.

02:01:42.000 But it was very early on.

02:01:44.000 I just made the decision that, look, I'm in politics.

02:01:47.000 I'm just going to do it.

02:01:48.000 I'm just going to figure it out one day at a time.

02:01:50.000 So I was on the outside almost from the very beginning.

02:01:53.000 And there was never going to be any other way for me.

02:01:56.000 I guess the big thing was I tried to get a job in the conservative movement at the Leadership Institute.

02:02:01.000 And I went there for a two week job training.

02:02:04.000 And the first day they said, everybody in the class, go up and down and answer the question why you're a conservative.

02:02:11.000 And I gave this like speech.

02:02:14.000 I was like, you know, France is no longer France.

02:02:17.000 America is no longer America.

02:02:19.000 I'm like, if we don't close the damn borders to these immigrants, our civilization is gone. 1.00

02:02:23.000 It's about the people.

02:02:25.000 And which like nowadays it's like, OK, that's like 101.

02:02:29.000 But the lady who oversaw the class, she was an immigrant herself. 1.00

02:02:34.000 She tanked my application the first day.

02:02:37.000 And so I said, wow, I can't even get an entry level job at like this bumfuck like nonprofit or whatever, creating Leadership Institute chapters on college campuses.

02:02:49.000 I was like, if I can't get a job here, this is really cooked.

02:02:52.000 I got fired from RSBN like a week later.

02:02:55.000 So that's kind of what did it for me.

02:02:58.000 It's like clearly I'm not going to be able to climb this ladder at all.

02:03:01.000 So I had to go and just do it myself.

02:03:03.000 And let me let me because I really want to have the audience understand this.

02:03:07.000 Right.

02:03:07.000 So as you guys know, I cover dating, self-improvement, all this other stuff.

02:03:11.000 Right.

02:03:11.000 I've I've been recently getting pretty involved in political commentary.

02:03:14.000 Right.

02:03:15.000 And, you know, me coming in as an outsider.

02:03:18.000 Right.

02:03:19.000 And then coming in and seeing how the conservative media apparatus works.

02:03:23.000 It's controlled by Jews, bro. 1.00

02:03:24.000 It's fucking crazy.

02:03:25.000 And I don't think people understand how much of a career destruction it is to be a political commentator in conservative media and not be supportive of Israel. 0.62

02:03:37.000 It is literally a death sentence.

02:03:39.000 So I just wanted to add a little bit more credit to what you're saying here, because until you go into that field and you see what's going on, you'll never understand how bad they will blackball you if you don't have the right opinion about Israel.

02:03:54.000 And this is me coming in as an outsider observing this.

02:03:56.000 So, bro, kudos to you, man.

02:03:58.000 And I don't think you get enough credit for talking about this shit for so long and literally losing everything for it, dude, because conservative media is absolutely fucking run by them.

02:04:07.000 But but Andrew, what about you?

02:04:08.000 What would you say was the turning point where you said I'm 10 toes in now?

02:04:11.000 Fuck these assholes.

02:04:12.000 No, you're absolutely right, because it's an indefensible position by this point to still be defending Israel. 0.61

02:04:19.000 And a lot of the mainstream conservative influencers are still trying to do it.

02:04:23.000 In fact, it's tanked conservatism as a whole.

02:04:26.000 I would argue that this whole Israel-Palestine debate has destroyed the whole idea of conservatism as a whole, because I have nothing against Charlie Kirk, for example.

02:04:34.000 I don't know him.

02:04:35.000 I've never spoken to him in my life.

02:04:36.000 I've seen him on the campuses destroying people about the basic things about, you know, transgenders or whatever.

02:04:41.000 I have nothing against him.

02:04:42.000 But the second he defends Israel, it's indefensible. 0.65

02:04:45.000 It's indefensible.

02:04:46.000 There's no way to defend blowing children to fucking pieces.

02:04:49.000 You can't do that.

02:04:51.000 And the fact that they still try to do it, even though it's a completely indefensible position, shows how afraid they are of the blackballing and of the backlash.

02:04:58.000 My mentality was, I guess, perhaps I came to this conclusion, which isn't completely correct.

02:05:05.000 But I like to believe that our enemies, although they're evil, they're not particularly special individuals.

02:05:10.000 They're not particularly unique.

02:05:12.000 They're not actually great people.

02:05:14.000 They're evil people, but they're not great people.

02:05:16.000 And this was my conclusion from going from a Luton council estate, a single mother household, mixed race guy, all the way up to like the Bugatti owners club and hundreds of millions of dollars.

02:05:25.000 And my entire way up the chain, I was like, so where's the good people at?

02:05:29.000 Where's the amazing individuals?

02:05:30.000 And you get up to the top and realize that everyone's a fucking dipshit.

02:05:34.000 Even the people who are running the country is a dipshit.

02:05:36.000 Even all these people with all this power is a dipshit.

02:05:38.000 Keir Starmer is a dipshit.

02:05:40.000 They're all fucking dumb.

02:05:41.000 And it came to this conclusion that somehow all of the people who have agency amongst themselves, who are unafraid of the cancellation and peer pressure, who are charismatic, who are mentally strong.

02:05:54.000 These people always seem to be on the right side.

02:05:57.000 And all the people who are on the wrong side, although they may have power on paper, are very un-extraordinary immigrants. 1.00

02:06:04.000 individuals.

02:06:04.000 They're really not impressive people.

02:06:07.000 And I guess from there, I just kind of started to push my audience.

02:06:09.000 My message is very base level.

02:06:11.000 It's very mental strength, physical strength.

02:06:14.000 Don't be afraid.

02:06:15.000 Get rich so they can't cancel you at your job.

02:06:18.000 Stick up for yourself.

02:06:19.000 Escape the matrix, be sovereign.

02:06:21.000 And then I added all this in with trying to encourage men to be charismatic, to say what they need to say in a way that people are going to agree with them.

02:06:29.000 I like me and you have done it on Fresh and Fit.

02:06:31.000 We'll sit down, talk to a bunch of whores. 1.00

02:06:32.000 And by the end of it, have them saying, yeah, I'm a whore.

02:06:34.000 I shouldn't have done that.

02:06:35.000 Like that's, that's the job, right?

02:06:37.000 So by trying to just encourage masculine strength and care, charisma in the by and large, I was trying to bring people over to our side of the fight because I think our enemies are actually the most unimpressive people on the planet.

02:06:50.000 So once I felt like that was the way out, I just doubled down on it.

02:06:53.000 It wasn't only just about me.

02:06:54.000 I know Andrew Tate fans train mentally and physically.

02:06:58.000 I know Andrew Tate fans are hard to intimidate.

02:07:00.000 I know Andrew Tate fans will say what they believe in.

02:07:02.000 I know Andrew Tate fans are trying to get rich.

02:07:05.000 I know Andrew Tate fans, I know what they're doing.

02:07:07.000 And I, and by and large, anyone who does those things falls on the right side of history.

02:07:11.000 So that's that, that was my decision.

02:07:14.000 Okay.

02:07:16.000 Let's see here.

02:07:18.000 Okay, here's a good one.

02:07:19.000 I want to.

02:07:21.000 So what do you guys think is the most misunderstood position that you hold?

02:07:26.000 Right.

02:07:27.000 That people always mischaracterize.

02:07:28.000 If you do an interview, it's almost guaranteed to fucking come up.

02:07:31.000 Right.

02:07:32.000 And knowing what you know now, how would you reframe it?

02:07:37.000 I can go ahead and go first here on this one.

02:07:39.000 So one of the positions that people always get fucking pissed off at me about is I say, you need to have sex with 50 women before you, you know, start thinking about even getting married, right? 0.71

02:07:47.000 Make six figures a year, have at least half a year of savings in a bank account somewhere, be in good shape.

02:07:54.000 Obviously be 35 years old or older and then have 50 women. 0.96

02:07:57.000 Now, no one really argues with me about the four things I mentioned before, but when I talk about having sex with 50 girls, people really harp in on that 50 number and say that's degenerate, blah, blah, blah.

02:08:05.000 But the reason why I say that is because I want guys to be in a position where sex is no longer novel to them, right?

02:08:11.000 So that they can be in a position of dominance where their girl can't leverage sex against them for compliance, right? 0.99

02:08:16.000 This happy wife, happy life bullshit, right?

02:08:18.000 Just because I understand how feminism and modern women in general have changed the dating dynamic or the marriage dynamic to even to the point where we got people that are religious like Nick that can even acknowledge it. 0.58

02:08:28.000 So a lot of people mischaracterize that position.

02:08:30.000 It's like, oh, it's got to be a hard 50.

02:08:32.000 Look, dude, it could be five.

02:08:33.000 It could be one.

02:08:34.000 But my point is, I just need you to get to a point where sex is no longer novel to you and your wife can't hold it against you.

02:08:39.000 So that's my position that people always fucking misconscrew and try to attack me on. 0.93

02:08:44.000 But when I actually explain it full through, they're like, oh, that makes sense.

02:08:48.000 But you know how people are.

02:08:49.000 They watch clips.

02:08:49.000 They don't watch full content ever.

02:08:51.000 So what would you guys say is one of your positions that's always fucking mischaracterized?

02:08:56.000 And you got to clarify.

02:08:58.000 And then if you could do it again, how would you reframe it now, knowing what you know?

02:09:05.000 I mean, it depends on where it's coming from.

02:09:08.000 With regard to the normie crowd, it's like everything.

02:09:12.000 And it's always been everything.

02:09:13.000 You know, it's, they mischaracterize my position on race, Israel, women, you name it, or if it's from the right.

02:09:21.000 I would say the biggest one is that I'm an extremist.

02:09:24.000 I mean, I don't think I'm an extremist at all.

02:09:26.000 I think I'm moderate.

02:09:28.000 It's kind of like my new thing because I talk to these people and they're anticipating me to be like a raging, a caricature of a skinhead or something like that.

02:09:39.000 And when it really comes down to it, with regard to all these different issues, I think that what is called far right, what is called anti-Semitic, what is called white supremacist, it's really just reality.

02:09:51.000 You know, I had a clip that went viral over the past couple of weeks where I'm talking about black people in Chicago.

02:09:57.000 And we emerged from a time recently where there was so much political correctness around the subject of race and race relations between blacks and whites.

02:10:08.000 And so I think the conversation is sufficient now.

02:10:11.000 People see my take and what I'm saying is like, look, the city is a shithole.

02:10:16.000 And it's a shithole because you got carjackings happening all the time.

02:10:20.000 It's because you have this like impropriety everywhere.

02:10:23.000 You know, we talk about black people in America.

02:10:26.000 People talk about fatigue, you know, fatigue from dealing with Black people. 1.00

02:10:31.000 It's like we all know in our lived experience in our day-to-day, what we can expect from black people is people being inconsiderate, people being rude, aggressive, menacing, not following the rules. 1.00

02:10:43.000 And that's kind of always been my position.

02:10:46.000 It's like, you know, on some level, people look at a person like myself or others and they think we want to ship all the black people out of America.

02:10:54.000 We want to kill them all or something like that.

02:10:56.000 And it's like, they've been here forever.

02:10:58.000 They've been here for 400 years.

02:11:00.000 They've been here longer than my family's been here.

02:11:02.000 We just want them to behave.

02:11:04.000 We just want to hold everybody to a standard where people are polite, respectful, clean, you know, decent, peaceful, and the rest of it.

02:11:13.000 And it's like, now that I'm back on these mainstream platforms, I do a monologue about it.

02:11:19.000 And even the black people are all saying, yeah, I agree with him. 0.98

02:11:22.000 I get where he's coming from.

02:11:23.000 So, you know, that's just like one example.

02:11:25.000 I think that we really just need to return to common sense and not like the gay common sense like Donald Trump, where, you know, he says common sense is like no transgenderism. 0.64

02:11:34.000 I'm talking about like old school racism being common sense, where it's like, yeah, we all know not all black people are bad.

02:11:43.000 We also know what's going on with them, you know, and yeah, we don't have some weird desire to like dominate women or, you know, bully them.

02:11:51.000 But we're also like, yeah, they're, they kind of need to be put in their place.

02:11:55.000 You know, they do need a strong hand.

02:11:57.000 They do need someone to treat them in an assertive way.

02:12:00.000 And even as far as the Jews are concerned, for centuries, for millennia, we know what's going on with the Jews. 0.99

02:12:08.000 Now, we don't want to kill them all.

02:12:09.000 We don't want to hurt them.

02:12:10.000 You know, people say you're a Nazi.

02:12:12.000 You want another Holocaust. 1.00

02:12:14.000 Absolutely not.

02:12:15.000 At the same time, we know they fucking love Israel and they're very tribalist. 0.97

02:12:19.000 Is it a good idea to have them run in Congress when they're walking in with an IDF uniform?

02:12:24.000 Obviously not.

02:12:25.000 So we just need that kind of like old school common sense.

02:12:28.000 I would say that's, that's maybe the rebrand.

02:12:31.000 I would say a moderate.

02:12:32.000 That's the misunderstanding.

02:12:33.000 Yeah, taking trips to Israel when they should be figuring out the Epstein file, shit like that.

02:12:37.000 And I'll tell you this, Nick, like it's funny to me because, you know, people that aren't familiar with you or whatever, one of the first things they say is, you're friends with a white supremacist.

02:12:45.000 And I'm like, you know, this guy hates black people.

02:12:48.000 Why are you even around?

02:12:48.000 And I'm like, that's not true.

02:12:49.000 Like, he doesn't.

02:12:51.000 I know him in person.

02:12:51.000 I've known him for a few years now.

02:12:54.000 Very cordial, very nice.

02:12:55.000 And then people forget that you literally helped Yay with Yay 24.

02:12:59.000 So if you were so racist, why would you be helping a black man become president of the United States?

02:13:04.000 So I always laugh when they say this stuff, when they say that dumb shit.

02:13:08.000 But what about you, Andrew?

02:13:09.000 What would you say is one of your positions that's always mischaracterized whenever you do interviews?

02:13:14.000 I know a lot of people, there's a bunch with you.

02:13:16.000 I know they mischaracterize.

02:13:18.000 Yeah, but none of the mischaracterizations are genuine.

02:13:21.000 None of them are genuine mischaracterizations.

02:13:23.000 It's to find people hoax all over again.

02:13:25.000 It's the wrap-up smear.

02:13:26.000 They do it on purpose and they know exactly what they're doing.

02:13:29.000 They take something you've said and they take a small part of it and they take it out of context and they repeat it over and over and over again.

02:13:34.000 As I said, the whole Christian, even the Jewish right wing, no one had a problem with me really till I talked about October 8th and they had a huge issue with me all of a sudden.

02:13:43.000 And it was all instant and overnight and it changed instantly and completely.

02:13:47.000 So none of it's genuine.

02:13:49.000 And, you know, Nick's pointing out very basic pattern recognition.

02:13:52.000 That's why humans are alive.

02:13:54.000 We learned the pattern recognition that if you go near the tiger, you get eaten by the tiger.

02:13:58.000 If you eat that plant, it's poisonous.

02:14:00.000 It's fucking pattern recognition at this point.

02:14:02.000 It's not racism.

02:14:03.000 It's not anti-Semitism.

02:14:05.000 The things we're pointing out are simply very well-known pattern recognition and people are too afraid to say them.

02:14:10.000 But I don't think any of my viewpoints are genuinely misunderstood.

02:14:14.000 I don't believe I could have said them in any other way to make people understand them.

02:14:18.000 I believe no matter how I said it, they would have taken it, twisted it, and weaponized it.

02:14:22.000 And one of the things that's most important you have to understand about the world is when they weaponize things against you, they always weaponize virtue.

02:14:29.000 They're not going to weaponize the fact that, you know, they're not going to sit there and pretend that you're a bad person unless they get to be a great person.

02:14:36.000 So they're going to come along and pretend they give a shit about women so much so they can attack me. 0.72

02:14:40.000 And they're going to come along and pretend they give a fuck about the Holocaust so they can attack Mick and you guys and me. 0.61

02:14:44.000 It's all just weaponized virtue garbage.

02:14:46.000 It's the oldest trick in the book, but a lot of people still fall for it.

02:14:50.000 So if you're going to tell the truth in this world, if you're going to sit there and say, yeah, this is the actual reality of what's happening, you're always going to get pinned with some bullshit, no matter how you say it.

02:14:59.000 And the most important thing you can do is not give a fucking double down.

02:15:03.000 Every time I got in trouble, the BBC used to print articles about my emergency meetings when I said racist words.

02:15:09.000 So then I started saying them 15 times a show so many times that they can't print it anymore.

02:15:13.000 You can't do the same article every fucking day, nigger. 1.00

02:15:16.000 So I just kept doing it.

02:15:17.000 You have to double down on it.

02:15:19.000 And a lot of people are afraid to do that because of the backlash.

02:15:21.000 But no matter what you try and do and say, they're just going to attack you with it all day long.

02:15:26.000 Speaking of mischaracterized positions, and I kind of want to throw this to Nick real quick because I think I've been seeing so many people talk about this and I don't think they give you a fair shot.

02:15:34.000 So we got a lot of people watching right now.

02:15:35.000 By the way, guys, if you're watching on Fresh Fit, I'm going to switch over to Myron Gaines X on both Rumble and YouTube.

02:15:40.000 So come on over.

02:15:40.000 I'm going to end the Fresh Africa stream here in a second, but I'm going to ask this question first.

02:15:44.000 So, Nick, a lot of people say that you are an undercover Dem.

02:15:49.000 You used to support Trump.

02:15:50.000 Now you don't support him.

02:15:51.000 You have an issue with J.D. Vance.

02:15:54.000 You're criticizing him because you're a hater, right?

02:15:56.000 People come at you and say that you're doing, you know, you're trying to mess with the Republican Party, blah, blah, blah, right?

02:16:02.000 Now, I know the reasons why, right?

02:16:04.000 And I make sense, but I don't think like people have give you a fair shot when you give your criticisms of Trump and his running mate, J.D. Vance.

02:16:12.000 And I want to give you credit as well because you called it April of last year that JD was going to be the vice president.

02:16:18.000 And then boom, fast forward to July in the RNC and he gets, you know, put in there.

02:16:22.000 Because I remember I was there, right?

02:16:23.000 And the first thing he's talking about is attacking Iran, punch him in the nose.

02:16:27.000 So I think it's pretty much undisputed now in the right wing conservative media that your predictions have been damn near flawless.

02:16:35.000 So if you could kind of just go over, because I think a lot of people mischaracterize your position on Trump and on J.D. Vance.

02:16:40.000 I'll kind of just throw it to you there.

02:16:42.000 And you can just take it wherever you want.

02:16:43.000 And guys, come on over to Myron Gaines X on Everywhere on Rumble, YouTube, whatever.

02:16:48.000 I'm going to end the FreshFit stuff, but go ahead, Nick.

02:16:51.000 Yeah.

02:16:51.000 I mean, as far as the whole Democrat thing is concerned, it's very amusing to me.

02:16:56.000 It's very amusing.

02:16:58.000 I almost don't even mind it because, you know, people are fucking retarded about politics. 1.00

02:17:05.000 Like on some level, you'd like to think that we're starting to get it.

02:17:09.000 The people are waking up.

02:17:11.000 They see what Israel's doing. 0.97

02:17:13.000 And then at the same time, you have to keep the Pareto principle in mind, the 80-20 principle, which is that like 80% of the population is scum.

02:17:22.000 They're just like worthless scum.

02:17:24.000 Now, they're not worthless, but they're low IQ, low IQ followers, whatever you want to call it.

02:17:31.000 It's a 2080 principle or an 80-20 principle.

02:17:34.000 And here's what I mean by this.

02:17:37.000 As far as I'm concerned, we are so through the rabbit hole.

02:17:40.000 Like I got red-pilled when I turned 18 and I was in college 10 years ago, whatever it was.

02:17:47.000 And we're at the point now where you have these basic normies.

02:17:50.000 They're just discovering Israel.

02:17:52.000 At the same time, I go and criticize Trump for something or another thing.

02:17:58.000 And people say, yeah, but I mean, the Democrat would have been worse, don't you think?

02:18:03.000 But the Democrats would have been far worse.

02:18:05.000 This is better than Kamala, wouldn't you say?

02:18:08.000 And to me, this is just such like a basic mechanism of control, which is how the regime will play the right off of the left.

02:18:17.000 I almost feel like it's passe.

02:18:20.000 It is, it's trite to even suggest that the right and left are the same.

02:18:26.000 And yet it needs to be said over and over and over again.

02:18:29.000 The Republicans, the fucking Republicans, the Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats.

02:18:35.000 They always have been.

02:18:36.000 Who brought us to Iraq?

02:18:38.000 The Republicans.

02:18:39.000 Who made the economy the way it is?

02:18:42.000 Republicans.

02:18:44.000 Where did NAFTA come from?

02:18:46.000 Yeah, Bill Clinton signed it, but it came from the Republicans.

02:18:49.000 It's like, so, you know, people like to say, oh, you know, but the Dems, but the left, but this, that, and the other.

02:18:55.000 The Republicans are the same.

02:18:57.000 They are virtually the same.

02:18:59.000 The platform is effectively indistinguishable.

02:19:02.000 They have the same donors.

02:19:03.000 They go to the same parties.

02:19:05.000 They're the same people.

02:19:06.000 And so, you know, like Dinesh D'Souza and I debated back in June and Dinesh said this to me.

02:19:12.000 He said, you're starting to sound like a Democrat.

02:19:15.000 I'm like, Democrats, Republicans, are we really still doing this thing?

Fresh & Fit - August 14, 2025

Myron x Tate x Fuentes

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