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00:04:22.000Without further ado, if you don't mind, ladies, give us your name, your age, what you do for a living, dating status, and if you want to, of course, we're going to start on the couch, actually, with Ms.
00:05:40.000I'm a model, but I also kind of, I'm in college right now because I'm working on my counseling degree so I can invent a new form of therapy.
00:08:14.000At that club, in particular, they don't just have regular dancers, they have also girls that come in that specialize in doing things with hoops.
00:24:28.000If she's smart, she'll research the business.
00:24:30.000If she's smart, she'll shut the fuck up and suck dick.
00:24:34.000Ladies, what do you consider cheating for women, talking to other men, dressing provocatively in public, going to clubs, responding to guys' DMs, etc.?
00:25:33.000If it's your woman, would you feel comfortable with her?
00:25:37.000Myron, when you're not beating her up, how do you feel about that?
00:25:45.000No, I mean, I think a woman shouldn't be dressing provocatively unless her man is with her.
00:25:50.000I think it's cheating if a woman dresses provocatively without her man there, because that's basically what you're doing is you're marketing yourself.
00:25:56.000Listen, it's all fun and games when she dresses hot until a big, black Adam-22's wife's boyfriend comes around.
00:28:13.000Blackest man that goes, ladies, do you think that it's unfair that men assume that you're a whore if you have friends that are whores or you support whore behavior in other women, especially if you yourself might not be a whore?
00:30:01.000They're always single losers and just they hate their lives and they're like, don't be with Zerka, don't be...
00:30:08.000If you're one of those girls who has a husband and you say that to my girlfriend, I'll take it more serious, but you're always losers and you're always ugly whores.
00:31:27.000Okay, Jake Lesba goes, I can't wait for the show tonight, but not sure if Destiny will ruin it with his try-hard energy trying to make up for his humiliation another night.
00:34:33.000It's obviously it provides entertainment, right?
00:34:35.000Because you're able to see ideas clash.
00:34:37.000And the other thing too, I mean, I hate to say it like this, but it does expose a lot of things about female nature that we talk about during the daytime show.
00:35:00.000So we tell guys what makes you attractive as a man.
00:35:03.000And, you know, it's one thing for us to explain it, but for us to bring girls on and have them exemplify what we talk about all the time, it kind of pretty much like, look, we told y'all this is how women tend to think and view the world in general.
00:35:15.000And you can see it pretty much in the panel.
00:35:17.000And what I've realized is that even regardless of woman's education, where she's from, economic status, whatever...
00:35:23.000Women typically have certain trends and patterns when it comes to dealing with the opposite gender.
00:35:28.000And also, as a woman, wouldn't you want men to become better to deal with you?
00:35:31.000For example, better men, more successful, more in shape, more thought of.
00:35:36.000Once again, helping men become better as well.
00:35:39.000What's the hardest thing a man can say as you're about to come?
00:36:07.000And then if the man are a leader, the girls, even if they are a whore or whatever, in the past or whatever, they're going to try to equal the man.
00:36:16.000And if the man fucked up, then what do you want from the girl society?
00:37:11.000But I don't think any man, if he wants to, can take care of the woman.
00:37:15.000No, but my question is, do you think a majority of men are capable and want to actually be the breadwinner, the leader, the protector of these traditional traits?
00:37:26.000Okay, so would you say it's a minority of men?
00:37:47.000No, I can take a responsibility as well, even though I'm a woman.
00:37:51.000When it comes to taking responsibility as far as like You know, providing and caring for and providing, provisioning these things, like, responsibility in that angle, that's typically a masculine trait.
00:37:59.000Not only just do the right thing, you know, even if you address provocative, just don't be, like, you know, like, you go to the club, even you are, I don't know, talk to the girls that want to trust you, do the right thing.
00:38:08.000Okay, now you're kind of going into a whole other thing.
00:38:10.000I just simply asked you a question, like, you're saying you want a man who's a leader, who's dominant, that can take care of women, right?
00:39:20.000Okay, let me ask you this question then.
00:39:21.000If you think a woman that has a promiscuous past deserves a top-tier guy who's taking care of her who is rare, then does a guy that's a bum panhandling on the side of the road, does he deserve a model?
00:39:31.000If he one day got his shit together, yeah.
00:40:20.000I don't know if you guys see the logic here.
00:40:21.000And your guys, like men, should accept women regardless of their past, but you guys would never accept us if we weren't where we need to be.
00:40:39.000The flawed logic is showing how women contradict themselves all the time and don't make sense, and they view the world through a very narrow lens of, what benefits me?
00:40:57.000Okay, if you're going to use that logic, then a guy who's exceptional, that's attractive, that can provide, protect, and provision, which women are looking for, a hoe does not deserve him.
00:41:06.000You're missing a thing of logic that you didn't plug in for these people.
00:41:09.000It's because in your mind, it's once a ho, always a ho.
00:41:12.000But in their mind, you can stop being a ho.
00:42:52.000Because I don't know why I focus on like, because you don't know the body count.
00:42:55.000And you're a dumbass if you're a guy, not you, but like if a girl tells you a body count and she knows that you're super judgmental on it, she's going to lie to you every time.
00:43:50.000I wouldn't even put that atmosphere out there.
00:43:52.000If she volunteers that information, it's whatever, but don't even ask because the answer is going to piss you off no matter what, and it's up to you.
00:43:57.000Just identify patterns, look at her past, and come to a logically sound conclusion of what you think it is, and then decide, is that number two high for you?
00:44:16.000If you had to date a man, and not you, okay, but like if a woman was going to date a man in his last relationship, they ended because he was physically abusive, the woman's probably going to judge the guy pretty harsh on his past there, right?
00:44:26.000Women talk a lot to each other about men they've dated.
00:44:31.000So if you are a fuck guy, all the women in your circle are going to know about it.
00:44:34.000They're going to hear about that shit.
00:44:35.000But sexually, we mean, for example, it doesn't matter because he's a guy.
00:44:41.000But for girls doing that, it's kind of like...
00:44:43.000I think it matters in the friend circle of women too.
00:44:46.000That if there's a guy that's fucked like every girl in a circle, it's gonna be harder for him to date any of those girls.
00:44:50.000I think people will judge him for that.
00:44:53.000It's not gonna have the same negative connotation because a man that can have sex with a lot of women is doing something right versus a woman that has sex with a lot of dudes is definitely doing something wrong.
00:48:00.000So we're going to cover a topic today with, you know, as you guys know, Jonah Hill is trending right now because he put up some boundaries with his girl.
00:48:07.000We discussed this a bit earlier on our show, but we'd like to get the girl's take on it.
00:48:11.000Let's go ahead and show these text messages real quick.
00:48:14.000And I'm going to turn it to ladies first.
00:48:16.000You know, guys, let's not try to influence what they're going to say.
00:49:04.000Insecure misogynist or just a high value man set a boundary.
00:49:07.000So basically, a few days ago, his ex-girlfriend leaked these text messages where he was telling her, hey, if you keep doing things like hanging out with other men when I'm not around and posting thirst traps, well, this relationship is not going to make sense for me.
00:49:19.000And immediately, people started coming after Jonah Hill, calling him a controlling misogynist.
00:49:23.000Bro, you cannot tell your girlfriend what to do like this.
00:49:25.000Now look, he's not forcing her to stay in this relationship, so I don't think it's controlling.
00:49:29.000He's just saying, this is what's okay with me, this is what's not.
00:49:31.000And I think if more people did this, the more people would understand that they're in a relationship that makes sense for them, or they would know that it doesn't make sense and they should separate.
00:49:38.000In terms of his specific boundaries, most of them make sense to me.
00:49:41.000The one about not posting any bathing suit photos is a little bit weird unless something happened that we don't know about.
00:49:46.000But in general, guys are not going to want their girl posting thirst traps and hanging out with other men when they're not around because those things tend to open the door to cheating or at least emotional cheating.
00:49:54.000Honestly, I think the bigger red flag here is that this girl posted these private conversations.
00:51:27.000Yeah, first head is in a way, so she can't see.
00:51:29.000Okay, just move back a little bit, bro.
00:51:33.000Okay, so it goes, good start, you don't seem to get it, because I need the girls to pay attention.
00:51:36.000Ladies, please pay attention to what we're talking about, because if I go around and ask a question, and then you don't know what I'm talking about, it's going to be very annoying.
00:51:43.000I don't want to have to repeat myself.
00:51:44.000So it goes here, good start, you don't seem to get it, but it's not my place to teach you, right?
00:51:47.000And it goes, I've made my boundaries clear, you refuse to let go of some of them, and you've made that clear, and I hope it makes you happy.
00:52:09.000And then he goes, and it's interesting how she didn't show her part of the conversation, but again, she shows this part, and it says, plain and simple, if you need, surfing with men, boundaryless, inappropriate friendships with men, to model, to post pictures of yourself, in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in unstable places, and from your wild,
00:52:25.000recent past, beyond getting a lunch, So those are text messages to give you guys more context.
00:52:43.000And then this is her talking with her friend.
00:53:17.000I mean, I'm not saying I disagree with him.
00:53:19.000I'm saying he might be like a little overdoing it, but I don't know why the fuck she posted them.
00:53:22.000That doesn't seem like that was anything.
00:53:23.000What part do you think was the line that made it overdoing it?
00:53:28.000Overdoing it was just the fact that he wrote it out in such intense terms instead of just having a face-to-face conversation with her and then deciding if she's not going to do that, you break it up, but you don't keep it going and wait for her to finally give in.
00:55:33.000Well, wouldn't it be fair to say that the more respectful thing is just don't hang out with guys that are trying to have sex with you if you know most men in general are trying to have sex with you by your own admission?
01:01:32.000But doesn't that go against what you said about the Jonah Hill thing?
01:01:35.000Because you're saying, I agree with Jonah Hill, da-da-da-da-da, and then your boyfriend tries to set boundaries with you, and then you're like, ah, well, my boyfriend, he should trust me.
01:01:46.000I thought we were trusting each other.
01:01:49.000Right, and Jonah Hill's girlfriend probably thought that he could trust her with her surfing with other men and like hanging out with some ratchet chicks at the club and whatnot.
01:02:01.000So what makes your situation different than the Jonah Hill situation?
01:02:11.000But she's just saying that in this particular situation with a guy, she's agreed with him.
01:02:18.000But in her situation, she's not agreed because she's the other side, which is okay because...
01:02:25.000He didn't break up with her because she went on a boat.
01:02:28.000He broke up with her because she wore a particular bra.
01:02:31.000Just in case I even didn't come to the boat because it was cancelled and I broke up with him and I didn't come to the boat and I lose everything.
01:04:28.000Even if you move, like if you're dating a guy that's 28 years older than you, when you're 21, you said earlier, I listened, you said the only people I spoke to were my husband and my family.
01:05:28.000Outside of these circles, it's every single human being's understanding of abuse.
01:05:32.000A 49-year-old is getting with a 21-year-old, who's a foreigner, by the way, telling her that she's not allowed to have friends and she only has to talk to her parents and him?
01:08:50.000He fell in love with her, dated her in that way, and then she goes on social media and posts herself in a bikini or, you know, has fun or be, you know, sociable or whatever.
01:09:01.000Then you can't Say that's not allowed now that we're dating, I guess, unless you stipulated that from the very beginning.
01:10:24.000I think that explains why she was like, so kind of like, what the hell's going on here with these boundaries?
01:10:27.000Like, she probably had been behaving that way already, and then he just came out of nowhere and put these boundaries up, and she's like, what the fuck?
01:10:33.000So I think, you know, it goes on both ends.
01:10:35.000We were talking about that earlier, but...
01:11:15.000Honestly, I think both of them, they have faults.
01:11:19.000The only reason why I'm saying this is because at the end of the day, when he met her, he should have known what he was getting himself into.
01:11:42.000And to get into a relationship with her and then judge her because she's posting bikini pics when she was probably already posting bikini pictures, I honestly don't think it's fair on his end.
01:13:29.000Sometimes the stripper could be even better than the models.
01:13:32.000They could be more horror than the stripper.
01:13:34.000They can, I know, but a lot of guys, if they're getting mad at their attention, she's dancing on men and things and getting naked in front of men.
01:13:42.000Yeah, and the models can just fuck them without even dancing.
01:13:48.000So, it kind of defeats the purpose, but go ahead.
01:13:52.000Yeah, I hear where you're coming from about judgment.
01:13:55.000However, if you're in a relationship and you're trying to be communicative about your boundaries, I think it's particularly harmful when a woman shuts down a man like that and then shames him, especially online.
01:14:08.000I have been reading Why Women Deserve Less.
01:14:15.000One of the things I actually laughed while reading it was like, one of the guy in the chapter, one of the guys, he asks out a girl, then he gets publicly shamed online.
01:14:26.000And I was like, that doesn't fucking happen.
01:15:59.000The other thing is, like, that should just be expected.
01:16:02.000If you are looking to get married, your woman should not be talking to other guys, surfing, posting bikini pictures, doing that kind of thing.
01:16:12.000Like, kind of my problem with Jonah Hill, besides the fact that he hates Jesus Christ because he's Jewish, besides that, my problem is that he had to say all that.
01:16:21.000Like, he writes all this stuff out, and it's like, why bother at that point?
01:18:29.000So yeah, even if it was a woman, if it was a 49-year-old woman with a 21-year-old guy telling that guy, like, listen, the only people you could talk to are your family and me, I would say, yeah, the same thing.
01:18:38.000I'd say, that woman's probably manipulating the dude 100%.
01:18:40.000I respectfully disagree, and the reason why is because as an adult, she can make her own conscious decisions, and it's not like he's putting a gun to her saying, you can't have this.
01:18:47.000He's basically saying, hey, if you're going to be with me, these are the standards and boundaries, and these are the requirements.
01:18:52.000Just like if you elect to work for a law firm or a job, they have a dress code, they have these rules, you have to follow the rules.
01:18:57.000If you want to work at said law firm, I would say it's the same thing.
01:19:14.000She wanted to go out and hang out with friends and party and stuff, but she clearly didn't know that.
01:19:18.000I would argue if she's old enough to serve in the military, drink alcohol, and be tried as an adult for a crime and go to a jail, whether it's in the United States or in Russia at an adult level, I think she'd be able to exercise her options.
01:19:31.000If you go by criminal standards, if other people are coercing you to do things, there could be aggravating and mitigating factors of crime as well.
01:19:37.000If somebody's coercing you to do stuff, or if somebody's in a manipulative position, or if people are in a cult or whatever, they don't get held to the same standards as somebody being charged with first-degree opposite rights.
01:19:44.000This isn't coercion, though, in this case.
01:20:15.000If we're going to use a standard that women could be manipulated by men simply on age difference, then we just need to go ahead and say women are retards and can't make their own decisions.
01:20:22.000I would say the same thing if it was a man and a woman with age.
01:20:25.000You're the one that's making it gendered.
01:20:26.000But if I had any friend that came up to me, I had a 20-year-old guy friend who's like, I started dating this woman.
01:21:54.000I'll get my last point out, because I mean, we can agree to disagree because Destiny is a professional contrarian.
01:22:01.000I'm just going to say, if we're going to go ahead and say women have autonomy, they're adults, they have the capability and ability to be treated as equals in society, as human beings, and may have all the same responsibilities, etc.
01:22:11.000We need to treat them as such and understand that when they make decisions, they're making it as an adult.
01:22:18.000Or we can use that logic and be like, hey, once someone reaches a certain amount of years above you, you're a moron and you can't make decisions anymore.
01:22:26.000And I think that's a kind of ridiculous standard.
01:22:32.000I'm not saying anything here is illegal or anything here should be outlawed or somebody should be arrested.
01:22:35.000I'm just saying that chances are if somebody's got that much age shifts or when you're still a kid, you're less than 25, then it's easy.
01:22:41.000I'm saying that she can experience very serious consequences being an adult for doing certain things.
01:22:47.000If she can experience those same consequences at that same age, she should be able to make conscious decisions in other realms of her personal life.
01:24:17.000That's why you guys get an NFL star, oh, he cheated on me, and you leave him and you go back to your fucking cats, put peanut butter on your pussy and get ate out by a fucking feline.
01:24:26.000I'm telling you, women are literally at a, we're on Rumble, right?
01:24:29.000It's like a white Put me on a lie detector test, I've never met a modern day woman that wasn't at the IQ points of a fucking retard.
01:24:42.000You're a lawyer and I humiliated you for two million views.
01:26:56.000That's why, like, the girls, like, let's say the number one rule right now is, like, to take my fucking sweet time when I'm talking to the guys and do not get commitment on in a relationship because the more I'm like, you know, like, the more I'm in rush, the more it's like,
01:29:38.000So we need each other, but we're not the same because we all have different roles.
01:29:42.000Okay, we need to survive and we're producing kids.
01:29:45.000So this is like the simple way to say like about like, you know, human being, but like, I disagree that we're equal.
01:29:51.000I think the only regard that men and women are equal is like maybe in the preservation of human life.
01:29:55.000And even then, I would say it's not even equal because let's be honest, when the ship is sinking, they're saying, you know, women and children off, men stay.
01:30:02.000So the reality is female life is considered more precious, right, from a biological standpoint because women incubate the next generation of children.
01:30:10.000So you can go ahead and propagate a society with one man and 100 women, but not the other way around.
01:30:50.000You can have a lot of incest babies, but you can have the baby.
01:30:53.000The argument is dumb because on a factual level, there's, like, One of the hallmarks of succeeding economies is usually women entering the workforce, women opening businesses.
01:31:17.000Literally any social service related to career, anything related to management of people, anything related to stuff at offices, anything related to veterinary work, anything related to nursing, I mean, what do you mean?
01:31:45.000And I don't say somebody more important and less important.
01:31:48.000I don't talk about importance, but I said about equality.
01:31:51.000And I don't say, let's say, when the woman's more precious than the man.
01:31:56.000Maybe you're more precious in one thing, you're more precious in the other.
01:31:59.000One drunk, autistic man is more useful than nine sober women.
01:32:04.000I think the word equal that you're using is your term of equal, but what it means really for equal means we're not the same, but it's fine.
01:32:12.000Destiny, we didn't hear your point of view on the Jonah Hill situation.
01:32:18.000I think it was really weird that she publicly outed everything.
01:32:20.000I don't think there was any reason for that.
01:32:22.000But then I would also agree that it's kind of dumb to date a surfer Instagram model chick and then later on in the relationship get mad that she's surfing with men and Instagram modeling.
01:32:30.000It seems like you're setting yourself up for failure there.
01:32:32.000Oh, so are you agreeing that leopards can't change their spots?
01:32:36.000If she was doing the surfing in IG modeling 10 years earlier, that would be a good point, but you're literally finding somebody 23 years old in the middle of their fucking surfing career.
01:32:50.000Like, yeah, that's not a leopard changing their spots.
01:32:52.000That's going to the zoo, to the leopard cage, taking a leopard out, and then getting mad that it has spots.
01:32:55.000Steven, do you agree she's ugly as fuck?
01:34:05.000She should sue her parents for the worst DNA I've ever seen in my life.
01:34:09.000I think it's crazy that men want to date interesting, fun women, and then when they date them, take all the interesting and fun out of all women.
01:36:48.000But you've got to get to know each other and have some common ground together.
01:36:53.000Hobbies, friends, interests, conversation, daily routine, all that stuff.
01:36:58.000This comes from getting to know each other.
01:37:00.000Whether it's a friendship and a sexual, whatever you want to add to that, you have to have common ground.
01:37:07.000And if you're talking to a wall that has no life outside the walls that she lives in, she's got no hobbies, no nothing else, then how are you going to find common ground to plan for the future?
01:37:42.000That was just like the most, I'm sorry, but that was like the most cancerous thing.
01:37:45.000I dig her Her vibe, she's like a surfer chick, just like AIDS to me.
01:37:51.000I'm sorry, but it's just like fucking cringe.
01:37:56.000We don't care about your hobbies, but we want, we'll pretend to care about your hobbies because you're a chick and chicks are friends and chicks like that.
01:38:04.000You know, and guys, you know, they like to go out and fish or I don't like these things, but you know, play video games, whatever it is.
01:38:10.000But when it comes to men and women, what I'm trying, here's the fundamental thing.
01:38:14.000The relationship between men and women is different than the relationship between men and women.
01:38:34.000That does not get you to a 30-year marriage.
01:38:36.000That does not get you to a 50-year marriage and raising kids and going through thick and thin, you know, and sickness and in health, all those things.
01:38:43.000You're not at your wife's deathbed or, you know, the wife at the husband's bed when he's got cancer because you both fucking love fishing, you know, or you both like the same TV shows is because you deeply love each other.
01:38:53.000And so that's why I think you got to get out of the mindset of mutual hobbies.
01:39:01.000Oh, further, I said, like, love is fleeting.
01:39:33.000So, one of them said that they're not supposed to talk because a woman is not supposed to have a hobby.
01:39:38.000But her hobby, it could be a home, like to raise kids, to do like a kitchen, to do like, I don't know, cleaning, to talk to your parents, her parents.
01:39:57.000So you still can be a friend and a deep connection, but you still...
01:40:00.000Like, the woman is not supposed to be as a man hobbyist.
01:40:03.000She's supposed to have her own hobbyist, like a woman-based hobbyist.
01:40:06.000But you still can talk to her about it, and you can tell her your things, and she can tell you about...
01:40:12.000Yeah, but she was making the argument that they need to have common ground and common hobbies, and he's saying that, no, they don't, because men and women are in front of...
01:41:28.000I can't think of a better way to build resentment in a relationship than telling a woman that the house is going to be her prison for the next 20 or 30 years.
01:41:35.000Because the only hobby, the only interest, the only thing she can do is raising children.
01:41:43.000It's so telling that you say that a woman being in the home with her children from her womb is a prison.
01:41:51.000That's like the place where she should want to...
01:41:53.000What is more important in life than the children that come from your own womb, your own blood?
01:41:58.000I mean, you should love that more than anything.
01:42:00.000And this is an important point fundamentally.
01:42:03.000We have this mindset, because things are so good in this time, we have so many amusements, so much novelty, we can travel anywhere, we have phones, there's concerts, there's things like this.
01:42:15.000We're getting away from what's important.
01:42:17.000The most important thing in life besides God is family, and that should be the sole focus.
01:42:23.000To say, like, just your kids and your house is a prison?
01:43:02.000Now that we've gotten to this point in society, women aren't making those decisions because they don't want to live that life because it's not all the glamour that everybody made it out to be.
01:43:08.000The only reason women made that life is because they were forced to.
01:43:54.000And so what you have then, women that don't have kids and don't get married, they just get uglier, they get older, they become less fertile, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and they're just alone.
01:44:05.000The problem that you're having is in your entire worldview, your definition of a woman hangs off of how a man values her.
01:44:10.000Every single thing you just said- Because women are dependent on men.
01:44:24.000Everyone shut the fuck up when someone is making a point.
01:44:26.000Destiny, go ahead and make your point and then we'll give it back to you.
01:44:28.000What you just said totally encapsulates the principle failure of the modern man, is that women are not reliant on men, and men are used to that.
01:44:36.000Now that women have the opportunity to choose otherwise, to have jobs, to be on birth control, to make lives for themselves, men are realizing, oh shit, I need a better value proposition than if you want to live in a house and have a family, come get my paycheck.
01:44:49.000No, here's where you're fundamentally wrong.
01:44:51.000I'm not talking about women depend on men financially.
01:44:54.000I'm not saying women depend on men for career or with birth control or whatever you're talking about.
01:45:42.000But men can be independent in the sense that a man can dedicate himself to science, philosophy, politics, all these things, and not need women in the same way that women need a man.
01:45:52.000There are women that do science politics at philosophy.
01:45:56.000Where are all the female billionaires then?
01:46:45.000Everyone understands that women do rely on men in that way, and that's why when they go on, women rely on men, and also I think women rely on men to have kids, and kids are the fulfillment of women.
01:46:55.000So a woman without kids, without a husband, is an unfulfilled woman.
01:46:58.000And I think if you look at all these women, like there was that Chelsea Handler video that came out a few months ago.
01:47:04.000And she's this old, bitter comedian going on and saying, look, I could travel to Paris because I don't have any fucking kids.
01:47:10.000And it's like, you are just like a seething bitch.
01:48:02.000She says she's like fucking guys on Tinder.
01:48:04.000Is that really the life that you want to live at 60?
01:48:06.000Because you have to replace it with something.
01:48:07.000She's pretty much filling it with these empty vessels trying to make yourself feel something because she's numb inside.
01:48:12.000Because having children is the highest Do you have anything for that, Destiny?
01:48:16.000I mean, you don't see all the moms that have had kids that regret the life that they lived, that they didn't get to do shit, that they wifed up and started a family in 1920, and they didn't do shit their entire fucking life.
01:48:25.000These people are out there, but they're not celebrities.
01:49:29.000You think women at 40 can't have kids?
01:49:31.000Yeah, no, they come up with Down syndrome, bro.
01:49:33.000Yeah, dude, I mean, let's be honest here.
01:49:35.000That's a high-risk pregnancy after 35.
01:49:37.000It's higher risk, but it's not ultra-high risk.
01:49:39.000Hold on, but as opposed to a woman at 40 being like, here I am from the year 2003 onwards, I'm a good shit, now I'm gonna go get a job, what, program?
01:49:52.000If we're going to go off percentages, I would argue that a woman has a higher chance of landing a job at 40, re-entering the workplace and getting an education, thanks to affirmative action, maybe she goes into a job field that's dominated by men, versus being 40 years old and trying to bring a child to full term.
01:50:06.000Sure, you would just be completely wrong.
01:50:23.000Let's say you actually do end up getting pregnant.
01:50:25.000Are you going to be able to bring the child to term?
01:50:26.000If you do bring the child to term, is it going to be healthy?
01:50:28.000Is it not going to have autism or are these other issues?
01:50:30.000Like, you significantly reduce your child's ability to be healthy the longer you I agree, but a significant reduce can mean 1% chance of complications up to 10%.
01:50:39.000No, you're going to birth a Joe Biden!
01:50:41.000You're going to make a fucking Joe Biden retard baby!
01:50:44.000That would be a 1,000% increase in birth complications, but it's still relatively low.
01:50:48.000This is a variable risk versus absolute risk.
01:50:50.000What I'm trying to say is that if you take 100 women that are 40 and you knock all of them up, there's going to be more successful pregnancies than if you take 100 women who haven't been in the workforce for 20 years and try to get them into careers.
01:51:01.000It's so hard to retrain people and get them back into the workforce after they've been gone for 20 years.
01:51:05.000It's like one of the biggest challenges in our society.
01:51:07.000We tried it after NAFTA, remember with the whole learn to code movement for truckers and shit where people say like, oh, like truckers can just learn computer programming.
01:51:13.000That's a really hard order to take on after you've been doing another job for like 20 years.
01:51:17.000Understandable, but if a woman goes in and gets an education, tries to enter the workforce, especially in a workforce that's male dominated, she's going to have a higher chance of being hired.
01:51:27.000Just to add in the other thing too, I agree with Nick on this that women derive more fulfillment from children and family than career and pursuit of status.
01:51:36.000Well, it seems like the majority of women are making other choices today.
01:51:39.000So I guess maybe they're just all wrong.
01:53:23.000It's either going to college or getting married at 18.
01:53:26.000It's either having a career or starting a family.
01:53:28.000And when you're 60, you're either going to be in your nice condo in Manhattan and flying to Paris, but you're alone and it's cold and you have strange guys coming in and out, or you're going to be at the family reunion.
01:53:40.000You've got your ten kids, and they have their five kids each, and you've got little kids running around, Grandma, Grandma, and you've got the kids, and they're saying, Hey, yeah, we've got a great family, blah, blah, blah.
01:53:54.000And I think a lot of people are being suckered into thinking that we can have it all, and what's worth it is what's material and what's fun and what's amusing, and it's not.
01:54:05.000Yeah, it's cute and it's a compelling story because you read it out of the Bible and that's cool.
01:54:10.000But the reality is, as nice as it sounds, nobody on the planet is making these decisions anymore.
01:54:14.000You have been proven wrong time and time and time and time again empirically that women, when given the opportunity to work and have birth control, are not choosing to have families.
01:54:34.000Then why does your side spend millions of dollars to suppress this?
01:54:37.000The reason why is because women aren't making these decisions, so you need to adapt to the world as it exists today, figure out why they're not, and then try to make a better value proposition.
01:54:44.000You're just harping on a 2,000-year-old book isn't going to do it.
01:54:47.000Steven, how come for thousands of years you're trying to suppress the book and it keeps coming back stronger?
01:54:51.000You spent trillions of dollars with your fagot side trying to suppress one little teenager.
01:56:08.000That's where epistemologies come from.
01:56:10.000That's how every single person in the world works.
01:56:11.000Even most Christians, I think even Nick would fucking admit, even most Catholics probably haven't even read a single gospel from start to finish, let alone the entire fucking Bible.
01:56:19.000We've got members on the panel who claim they're Muslim who've never opened a Quran in their life.
01:56:22.000We've got Zerka who who the fuck knows.
01:56:26.000There's plenty of people We are living in the real world.
01:56:38.000And that means, for example, we have real problems.
01:56:40.000And even though we ideally want to follow Nick's pattern, which is happening, which is not happening right now, what is your solution to this problem then?
01:56:47.000Because obviously speaking, I think this path is the right path to go to, but let's be real here.
01:56:51.000Women are not following that pattern right now.
01:56:53.000Well, whatever the solution is, it can't be a step backwards, because I don't think women are going to accept that.
01:56:57.000So there has to be something that we can do to make the value proposition for having families and having children being better.
01:57:03.000I mean, I think Israel is one of the only countries in the world that has ultra-high incentives around having children and maintaining birth rates.
01:57:12.000But one of the few countries seem to do it right.
01:57:13.000But this idea of just shaming people into, like, you need to have kids and you'll love it, trust me, is clearly not working.
01:57:20.000It didn't work for any fascist countries between World War I and World War II. It hasn't worked for countries that are trying to incentivize birth rates because people don't have children like that.
01:57:26.000You have to build a society, a community, a country.
01:57:28.000It's almost like the white nations are being attacked with their birth rate by all the Muslims coming in.
01:57:32.000Yes, it's the Muslims that are making white people not having children.
01:57:34.000All the goat fucking Muslims coming to white countries.
01:57:41.000The argument that I made was not just a shame argument.
01:57:43.000And I think that talking about it like it's a value proposition, I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the red pill people are right about the nature of women, the nature of men.
01:58:45.000Be an OnlyFans model and get banged by strange men on camera to guys who are lusting after you?
01:58:49.000Or you could go and work in some corporation and sit behind a desk and click, click, click, and you can punch and be a bureaucrat and a manager.
01:58:56.000Like, Men work because we have to work.
01:59:23.000You said nobody in the world is doing this.
01:59:26.000Most people on the planet are doing it my way.
01:59:28.000You know, America isn't the only country on planet Earth.
01:59:31.000If you look at most people in Asia, Latin America, in the Middle East, in Africa, in Israel, like you said, what are the countries that are not doing this?
01:59:39.000It's all the de-industrialized countries with falling fertility rates and high suicide rates.
01:59:44.000Japan, South Korea, Western Europe, the United States.
01:59:47.000You said this is like an economic miracle.
01:59:49.000All these countries don't have a productive sector, and that's why we would lose an oral vagina.
01:59:54.000Every single country in Africa and South America are all following the exact same pattern that I laid out, not the one that you're laying out.
02:00:01.000There's a reason why people say, like, the 11th billionth child will never be born on this planet.
02:00:05.000It's because every single country, as it industrializes, every single country as women enter the workforce all have fallen birth rates.
02:00:10.000Wait, the 11 billionth child won't be born on this planet.
02:00:12.000Our population won't get that high because the replacement rates fall off.
02:00:15.000I thought you meant they would be born on Mars.
02:00:19.000Also, I disagree with your first thing.
02:00:21.000Men might not want to work, but we want the freedom and the autonomy that comes with work.
02:00:25.000I think most men, given the opportunity to live with their parents until they're 30, or go out when they're 20 to 22 and enter the workforce so they have the freedom to be their own person, would choose that.
02:00:59.000To say that the entire existence of your life should just be having kids is also to some people a really shallow part of your existence.
02:01:05.000That's cool if you want to get old and die and the best moments that you have are whatever you pushed out of your fucking vagina, but for some people they like having a record of accomplishments, a record of achievements, things that they've done, hobbies that they pursued Yes, I deserve it.
02:01:31.000The story that you're laying out is, again, something that nobody's choosing to follow.
02:01:35.000And for you to say over and over again, like, oh, well, no, families are the best possible fucking thing you could ever fucking have, and nothing else competes with that.
02:01:41.000Everybody on the planet seems to disagree with you.
02:01:43.000And again, you keep harping it over and over again, but anybody can go and look like birth rates or fertility rates of every African country, of every fucking South American country.
02:01:49.000As they get industrialized, their birth rates fall.
02:01:51.000It's a pattern throughout all of human history.
02:02:37.000I think the better way to ask this question so that we can get a real assessment of what's better is if you had to pick one of the two, prioritize, would it be career or would it be family and children?
02:03:43.000I already have children, so for me, it's like, obviously, I've had to choose my children over Korea many times, which I'm more than happy to do, but I understand the fear in women about choosing the wrong man to have kids with, which I also have done, and then you get labeled in another section,
02:03:59.000like you guys have also talked about today, so sometimes the fear can take over, but I've had kids, so I'll choose my kids any day.
02:05:07.000So, I agree a lot that the girls are supposed to have a family and it's prioritizing for everybody.
02:05:13.000They're unfortunate, the society right now.
02:05:16.000And it's our responsible and stupid guys.
02:05:20.000Make us want the career because our families from the far, like from the past, like mothers and maybe grandmothers, they had a very bad experience.
02:05:28.000That's why they teach us, hey girls, first career, first take care of yourself, be independent.
02:06:44.000I mean, without getting too deep into it, I think it's really funny that you guys will say constantly that women lie all the time about what they want.
02:06:50.000We just had a whole panel of women say that they prefer family, and I think only one of them has children.
02:07:28.000I think another issue, too, real quick, is that you're comparing, like, the current, like, career, which a lot is known to, to, like, when you say family, in their mind, they're probably thinking of, like, an idealized version of family as well, right?
02:07:41.000And a lot of the women in here gave the same answer.
02:07:43.000They probably go the same way that the reason why, like, a lot of these women might have started films, but it's hard to find a guy who is hot shit.
02:07:49.000And by hot shit, I don't even mean, like, is a six-figure man, but I mean, like, a guy that's emotionally stable, will provide for the family.
02:07:54.000Is it a fucking schizoid, like, makes enough money to, like, hold shit down?
02:09:24.000What I was getting at before, and I'm glad, by the way...
02:09:34.000I'm glad, by the way, that the poll basically vindicated me.
02:09:37.000So it turns out everybody does value family.
02:09:39.000What I was getting at is that I'm talking about what matters in life.
02:09:44.000And the question, which I wish we stuck with this line of inquiry, Dustin, he said, well, yeah, men don't like working because what they really like is the freedom that working provides.
02:10:34.000You're going to see most of your friends die.
02:10:36.000You're going to see your closest friends die young, some of them, or you'll see them die old.
02:10:40.000You will peak mentally and physically, and then every day after will be mentally and physically degraded, henceforth after that, sometime in your 20s and 30s.
02:11:45.000Our soul is ripped from our body and we face a judgment.
02:11:48.000We can either accept that reality and live within it, within our physical and spiritual means.
02:11:53.000We can make decisions and enjoy the good things in the world, which is love, which comes through family and children.
02:11:59.000Or we can ignore all that and pretend like we're going to live forever and do OnlyFans and fuck around and go and have a good time and make money and fly around the world and pretend we're never going to die.
02:12:13.000You're not supposed to really be fully happy now.
02:12:15.000Everything that you do is supposed to worship and please God so that you can make it to Jannah.
02:12:19.000And one of the important things, and you said that I didn't read the Quran, but an important part of Islam is that the father is supposed to pick...
02:12:38.000Do you think a father would pick any of the men at this table?
02:12:54.000So number one, the Quran shoots on every single man at this table, okay?
02:12:58.000And that's not an insult to the man, because that's an insult to the Quran.
02:13:01.000There's a lot of great men at this table.
02:13:02.000I'm not gonna lie, I've got a lot of DMs.
02:13:03.000However, Nick talks about how like, wait, that's all I've got when I hit 30, I'll kill myself.
02:13:06.000You're not gonna have a family by 30, and you're not gonna kill yourself.
02:13:08.000Because every single man at this table, believe it or not, has things that they can look back on and feel proud about.
02:13:14.000That's why you guys are here, and that's why you're in the position you are.
02:13:16.000Myron, when you hit your age, I don't give a fuck how old you get or how many kids you have.
02:13:19.000You're always going to look back at this podcast and be really proud that you did something that a lot of people thought you couldn't do, and you became the largest fucking men's self-improvement podcast in the world.
02:13:32.000But I'd say the same thing for Fresh, too.
02:13:33.000Like, all you guys involved in this podcast, I think you would all feel insulted if somebody looked at you like, oh, isn't this just a hobby for you guys?
02:13:41.000It's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears that went into building this.
02:13:43.000And at the end of the day, you produce a product that I'm sure you guys and everybody that works on production here, behind the scenes and in front of the camera, feel really proud about.
02:13:50.000As much as I fucking hate Nick and every fucking fiber of his being, I know that when Nick gets 50, 60, 70, okay, you grow out of your man-loving phase and you get a wife, you're going to look back at all the shit you've done politically and you're going to feel proud about the shit you've done.
02:14:01.000You're going to look back at Cozy TV. You're going to look back at AFPAC. You're going to look back at trolling Charlie.
02:14:05.000You're going to look back at all these things.
02:14:13.000I put in a lot of work and I built something that meant something to me.
02:14:15.000Sneak out for all of the stuff that you worked on and will work on.
02:14:17.000You're going to feel the exact same way.
02:14:21.000The idea that you dismiss all of these things as just hobbies.
02:14:25.000Family comes second after working on yourself.
02:14:28.000An incomplete man or woman that doesn't even understand the things that they want or they like in life is not going to be able to produce a family that is going to be stable in the world.
02:14:36.000You have to find out what makes you happy, what allows you to contribute to society, what allows you to find fulfillment, and then from you being a complete person, from their flows of family.
02:14:44.000And then from a complete family flows a community.
02:14:46.000And then from a complete community flows a government.
02:14:48.000This is how the society is structured.
02:14:50.000Broken people that don't even know what makes them happy can't produce children that are going to be happy and fruitful in the world.
02:14:57.000I didn't say that I would kill myself at 30 if I don't have a family.
02:15:02.000I said if there was nothing more to life.
02:15:04.000Other than amusements and hobbies and frivolities or even things like career, I would kill myself because the value proposition of life wouldn't be enough.
02:15:13.000I said there has to be more than that, which for me is God.
02:15:17.000For me, it's the things that proceed from God.
02:15:19.000And as far as what you say about career and profession, and we feel very good about ourselves, honestly, I think we feel good about ourselves because it feels good to do honest work.
02:15:44.000And so for me, the things that truly matter, the things that I'm proud about for what I do, you know, and by the way, and I don't hate you.
02:15:50.000I disagree with you, but I don't hate you.
02:15:55.000The things that I'm proud of are the moral decisions that I've made.
02:15:59.000The reason I'm proud of AFPAC or America First or my movement is because I told the truth.
02:16:04.000It's because I converted people to Catholicism, which has an objective moral weight.
02:16:09.000If I was a streamer and I was just making content about like, hey, let's do movie reviews or something, would I say that it's worth living to watch movies?
02:16:20.000You know, it's sort of like it reminds me of the story about the concentration camp where they say they have us pick up a bag of rocks and move it to the other side of the camp and then, you know, it's Sisyphus.
02:16:29.000I think that life is Sisyphean without a meaning behind the suffering, without anything transcendent.
02:16:41.000If you look at it through this blue homosexuals' point of view, he's saying the love you have for your mom is just chemicals firing in your faggot brain.
02:16:50.000There's no spiritual component to his ideology.
02:16:53.000The chemicals he inhales through his nose.
02:18:05.000Now you're talking about the pursuit of excellence, which I actually...
02:18:08.000I see a little bit of godliness in you.
02:18:10.000When you say there's something good about being the best flute player, I agree with you.
02:18:15.000But that's something totally different than...
02:18:18.000The frivolities that I'm talking about, when it's a woman making a decision about family versus career, you know, if we're talking about wanting to be the best flute player ever, okay, that's one thing, but they're trying to be the best skin flute player ever, in many cases.
02:18:29.000They're going out there, they're not learning.
02:18:31.000The fact that every time I bring up examples, you compare it to, like, somebody just sucking dick, shows that you have an incapability of understanding my position.
02:18:39.000No, no, it's not, but every single thing you've given is capable.
02:18:45.000Some people pursue great things, and sometimes people do that in place of families.
02:18:50.000Like, it's great that you're saying that it's sad to live for this life, and you want to live for a hypothetical afterlife.
02:18:54.000I'd rather live for the life that we all know that we have right here and right now than hope to God that once we turn to dust, there's some other dimension with Pearly Gates where we get rewarded for our time spent suffering on Earth.
02:19:03.000I'm saying there's nothing great about making spreadsheets at some company.
02:22:09.000To serve one another and to serve a higher being.
02:22:12.000I don't think anyone knows the reason why we're on Earth, but I think once we're here, we need to act in a way that would produce the best society, be the people that we want the rest of the world.
02:24:19.000That's why the male biological urge to have sex is so strong and the female biological urge to have children is so strong, especially as they get older and they get closer to that window, right?
02:25:22.000I didn't say what is actually going to lead to, I said what increases your chances.
02:25:27.000How can it increase your chance if it doesn't actually do it?
02:25:30.000It would be the highest level of trinity of status, network, and looks in the fucking village like Melina chose you from all the fucking nerds.
02:25:39.000She chose you because you have the most network, looks, and fucking status, you dumb fucking nerd.
02:25:45.000If there's a guy that's pursuing that trinity of things and another guy's just trying to fucking have as many kids as possible, the guy that's fucking having as many kids as possible is always going to have more kids than the wealthy people.
02:25:52.000Remember, again, this goes back to creating life and increasing your likelihood of mating.
02:25:56.000As a man, acquiring status, resources, competence, etc.
02:26:00.000is going to secure your ability at a higher likelihood of getting a better mate, being able to stay with that mate long term, and most importantly, getting more than just one woman because men want quantity.
02:27:15.000They pick their kids because they know that my duty as a woman is to be attractive so I can find the highest status man that I can and have...
02:27:24.000What I'm saying is that women get their benefit from biological sense.
02:27:28.000They get their fulfillment from having a family.
02:27:30.000If they want to have a career, that's cool, but it's never going to fulfill them to the same extent that it will for a man because when a man is fulfilled with a career, his mating options increase.
02:27:38.000When a woman is fulfilled by being attractive and having a man, She's successfully done her mating strategy.
02:27:45.000Women want quality, so how do I get quality?
02:27:47.000I'd be attractive, keep myself young and fertile, get that man, bam, I secured his resources, I won, I have children with that man, I'm in a relationship, man wins, I have resources, I have status, I have this woman, but if I want to, I can spread my seed to other women because I have the ability to have quantity.
02:28:50.000If I am like a multi-multi-millionaire and I'm standing next to some homeless bum, who is going to have a higher chance of mating with a woman?
02:29:33.000You think right now, I'm curious, and the wealthier countries in the world versus the poor countries in the world, who's having more children?
02:30:16.000You also have to admit, That what we're talking about, there's no way to conclusively conduct a study on that level where you're comparing wealthy men who keep their sex life secret for obvious reasons versus a regular dude and or a lower socioeconomic male.
02:30:51.000That's not a good assessment to use that people are having sex because you gotta remember in 2023, guys that have money are more likely to pay for an abortion, use contraception, give a girl a plan B. They're less likely to actually go through the process of having the child.
02:31:05.000Yeah, but then why would we acquire all the status if it's not to have children then?
02:31:48.000The whole reason I even went through that display is to show that men derive fulfillment from success and acquiring status and resources, which increases their likelihood of going up in the sexual marketplace.
02:31:58.000Women get fulfillment from having a child and family with a man they love, admire, and respect in securing his commitment.
02:32:04.000We are very different in our sexual strategy.
02:32:27.000How are you guys going to decry studies I use and then try to appeal to one of the most difficult-to-study social phenomenon of, like, happiness and satisfaction?
02:32:35.000Like, if you want to study happiness and satisfaction, every single first-world country dramatically outpaces every single third-world country where they're having more kids, where they live a more fundamental life, where they don't have birth control of cell phones.
02:32:44.000But, like, Studying happiness is one of the most difficult social phenomenon to study.
02:32:47.000But since the 1970s, they've seen females' life approval ratings have gone down.
02:32:51.000And what has also occurred during those same decades?
02:32:53.000I know correlation is a causation, but feminism got stronger since the 70s, and women's happiness rates have went down alongside it.
02:32:59.000So has the anti-depression medication subscriptions.
02:33:04.000I mean, we could sit here and say women are happier now than ever before, but I would respectfully disagree and say that women are less happy than they've ever been because they've been lied to about what actually makes them happy.
02:33:14.000They're being falsely told, chase a career, make money, acquire resources, basically live like a man, and you'll be happy.
02:33:21.000We have a lot of sad women out there that aren't having the same high approval ratings with life, even though they're the most educated and make the most money they've ever had.
02:34:59.000If I meet a woman and she makes a million dollars a year and she took care of her own security, she's still going to want me to make at least a million dollars a year.
02:35:05.000Women are very greedy and selfish with their resources.
02:35:08.000However, men are happy to share their resources with women.
02:35:11.000That's why the man must always be in a leadership breadwinner role.
02:35:14.000When a woman makes more money than her man, the studies show this, the divorce rates go up precipitously.
02:35:21.000Women are terrible people and they have leverage.
02:35:23.000Earlier, when we had asked all the girls, you know, what's more important to you, family or career, it was to prove a specific point, except for all of the men in this room, because you guys are godly, right?
02:36:53.000That's you, but with all due respect, you're 35 years old, your options in the sexual marketplace aren't like they were 10 years ago, so you might have to concede to that.
02:37:01.000But a younger woman at her prime is not taking 50-50.
02:38:28.000And yeah, children go to school and everything, but...
02:38:30.000If a man or woman are married and if they're having sex the right way, which is without birth control and contraceptives, you're supposed to have multiple kids.
02:38:37.000And so if you've got multiple kids coming out all the time, some of them are going to have to be in daycare.
02:38:42.000Some of them are not going to be taken to school.
02:38:43.000And the thing is about school, school isn't as long as work.
02:38:46.000Because I remember my mother, when me and my sister were born, she quit her job.
02:39:31.000You just said like a lot of children actually really like extended care and after hours of school because it's a time to play with other kids.
02:42:47.000But those are hours that a mother literally cannot be there for the kid because they're at work.
02:42:52.000So you're saying when a kid is five, six, seven years old, it's more important for the kid to go home and be with his mom than to play with other kids after school?
02:42:57.000I think it's essential for the mother to be there for the kids all day.
02:43:01.000So for five years and older, You think it's more important for that kid to go home and be with his mom than it is for them to play with other kids after school?
02:43:10.000I think it's less important five years and up, but if you're talking about K-5 or zero to five years old, what woman could be- No one is talking zero to five.
02:43:20.000So then you should very easily answer my question and say, no, Destiny, when they hit five when they're going to school, it's probably better for them to play with kids after school than going to be with their mom.
02:43:26.000What I said initially is that from zero to five, these are critical years.
02:43:31.000I said the first three months are essential.
02:44:18.000The question is, if a kid is five years and older, they're going to school, whenever they start kindergarten, first grade, is it better for them, right after school, to go home and be with mom, or to play with other kids for an hour or two at, like, extended care?
02:44:29.000But that's not what we're talking about.
02:44:58.000You gotta remember that she asked, he's formulating his argument based off from zero to five, and then he'll answer your question after five.
02:46:13.000Mom's off the fucking table because she's at work.
02:46:15.000So if the kid's sick, if the kid gets injured, if there's something that's going on, if she's got to take them somewhere, oh, sorry, honey, I'm working that day.
02:46:22.000Sorry, honey, I'm scheduled to come in that day.
02:48:13.000I mean, I'm not a girl, but if I were a girl, I would much rather be at home hanging out with the kids than I would driving on my commute and clocking in and typing up a spreadsheet or whatever it is.
02:48:35.000And that was going back to my point before, where you were saying, like, well, I'm 35 out of two kids, etc., and I'm willing to go ahead and go 50-50 with a man.
02:48:41.000That's how this whole conversation started.
02:48:43.000I'm saying, with all due respect, you have to concede to that now because you don't have the same command over the dating marketplace that you had 15 years ago when you were 20 years old.
02:48:54.000I hate to say it, but as a woman ages, and she makes more money, and she has children, her ability to get a higher quality mate goes down a bit.
02:49:01.000So you have to accept the fact that I am willing to go 50-50 with a man, but if I took you 15 years ago, you might have had a different thought when you were at your peak.
02:50:10.000But what I am saying is that the chances of a divorce occurring when you're going 50-50 goes up.
02:50:16.000The chance of you leaving him, had he had a bigger contribution to paying the bills and take care of you, probably would have went down.
02:50:23.000You would have thought twice about divorcing him if he was completely taking care of you.
02:50:26.000But the fact that you had to go 50-50 with him, which is getting out of your feminine because now you're adopting a more masculine role because you're going 50-50 with a man that should be taking care of you.
02:50:34.000But that's just a scare tactic because women are scared to be financially independent.
02:50:47.000Okay, so her thing, you can try to say like she initiated a divorce, which is a hilariously crude way to figure out why a relationship is ending.
02:50:53.000Or you can try to say like if we had more money, it would have been different.
02:50:56.000But chances are, re-invoicing my argument, if she wouldn't have started family at 20, it would have waited if she was like 25, she probably would have made a better decision.
02:51:03.000You can talk about a decrease in market value, but the reality is, regardless of your fucking value, at 20, you've got a higher chance of getting scared.
02:51:08.000Well, that comes back to what we were saying, where the father, this is why dads are so important, women are terrible at mate selecting.
02:51:15.000They always pick terrible mates, a lot of the times.
02:51:17.000This is why the family needs to be involved.
02:51:18.000Sure, but again, if men were chosen, if fathers were choosing, none of the men at this table would get chosen.
02:51:38.000Women will always say that they're okay going 50-50, but when it's actually going down and they're paying 50-50, it makes them feel a certain type of way because they're like, damn, I have a man and I gotta split with him.
02:51:49.000Most women would prefer to work on an elective basis and have the man take the majority of the bills.
02:51:54.000Maybe they cover a light bill here or there, but women in general don't want to work and have to support and contribute to a man.
02:53:16.000Also, Steven, no fucking dad chooses you.
02:53:18.000They'd be like, I don't want Sonic that drunk dry humping my fucking daughter's leg.
02:53:22.000All the girls' dads here would want me to fucking- I would call my dad right now.
02:53:28.000I would call my dad, and he would choose destiny over you.
02:53:35.000Say there's a six-foot-five Albanian fitness model with a million dollars and say, this guy wants to marry me, and your dad's gonna say, no, go back to your fucking vibrator or Myron's microphone.
02:55:20.000I can't even say anything because the society and people judging women by their age, like if she has kids or not, so we have not that many chances to be happy.
02:55:30.000So if you didn't do it till a certain age, then your chances are lower.
02:55:34.000It makes me sad, but it's kind of true.
02:55:53.000If the woman has something like, I don't know, like if she has some occupation, which is not against her family, let's say she does some YouTube channel or something little, which is just, you know, having fun sometimes on her free time from her family.
02:58:02.000Yeah, but how is he abusive is my question.
02:58:04.000At the beginning of the first marriage I was like more involved and he's like literally maybe not really physical but he's like can push me can say his word.
02:58:12.000I like my work like I did you know like he was I put my trust in him and I like I follow him but it was a wrong person we would get married so quick it was amazing romantic like we keep so is it really abusive you choose to follow him?
02:58:28.000Okay, I'm from Russia again, and let's say...
02:58:55.000I'm talking to her because she said, why do we do this podcast?
02:58:57.000I mean, I don't want to sound like an asshole, but this exemplifies female nature.
02:59:01.000You're from Russia, a foreign country, but what I say is, a lot of the times, women are allergic to accountability, man.
02:59:07.000Like you're just like saying all this stuff and saying it's not my fault he abused me but the reality is like listening it's like no it's always 50-50 I agree with you like I don't I don't take blame out of me it's just like uh nobody that's what I said society is sick nobody taught me and also America is a little different from Russia no not everybody I like that guy America is different from Russia is she blaming Putin?
02:59:29.000I think the issue is that, like, one of the things you wrote on the couch, let me see if I get some points back to the audience.
02:59:34.000One of the issues is that you brought up something on the couch where you're like, when I'm on this podcast and I hear these things, it makes me feel bad.
02:59:38.000I think the issue that a lot of people in this space have are that women are constantly built up, constantly told they're queens, constantly told that they're going to be great even as they get older, no matter what they do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:59:48.000Whereas in society, it seems a little bit more acceptable to make men constantly feel bad about their lack of accomplishment, lack of height, lack of achievement, lack of career.
02:59:55.000And that for you to say, I feel kind of bad being here, a lot of guys would say, that's why I feel like being in society.
02:59:59.000Because it's basically accepted to shit on guys that don't make a lot of money, are short, have small dicks.
03:00:04.000Like if you were to run that one segment from The View, where they make fun of that one woman that throws her ex-husband's dick in the fucking garbage disposal, and that's like a joke on that thing.
03:00:15.000I think that's the issue a lot of people have.
03:02:26.000But I would prefer a guy to provide for me, and I do feel like if he's not providing and I am going 50-50, you do lose a little bit of respect for them, and you think that they also have to do...
03:03:09.000Well, let me ask you this, Miss Australia.
03:03:10.000If you were to find this guy that's a provider and exemplify some of these traits that you're looking for in a partner, would you be okay with him having multiple women?
03:08:17.000So just a woman who's gonna be a good balance in my life.
03:08:19.000Hey, Australia, I think Knicks are the best because really, why I'm even a millionaire today is this fucking young boy genius, changed my life, turned me into a Catholic, right?
03:08:29.000I watched his content on DLive and two years ago, he said, why the fuck would I want to come home to some woman who talks to me about politics?
03:08:37.000When I come home from doing politics and serious business and work...
03:08:40.000I just want her to fucking have an apple pie and say, honey...
03:14:41.000I still choose to have her in my house.
03:14:42.000But if all you want is variety, if the only thing that matters is the box, you don't care about the subs and any other bullshit, why would you ever get married or have a long-term relationship?
03:14:48.000There's important things about women, but substance is not the important one.
03:14:52.000I never said the guy is going to leave the girl.
03:14:54.000I'm just simply saying he's going to want to have sex with other women.
03:14:57.000Her biggest thing, she's trying to say that a woman having substance is going to decrease the likelihood of her being cheated on by a man.
03:15:03.000I'm saying that's irrelevant because men cheat physically.
03:15:07.000So they might go fuck another girl, but they're still going to have you.
03:15:10.000But women look at cheating as it's the end of the relationship.
03:15:12.000You don't think that a guy having a higher investment in the woman because they share more in common would decrease his likelihood of stepping out and cheating in the relationship?
03:15:20.000Because I feel like if you have a woman and the only thing you see her for is sex, and that's more or less like, but that's the most important thing.
03:15:25.000She's really replaceable by any woman you want.
03:15:36.000The reason why you're doing that is because you have the social status and the income to do so where you tell her, I want to be open and she's pretty much going to accept it.
03:15:43.000Most guys wish they can do that, but they can't.
03:15:45.000Sure, but again, to keep a relationship together, it has to be more than just sex.
03:15:51.000But if the guy only wants to exercise his options, the woman being there in a relationship at all is always going to be a detriment to that.
03:16:10.000So I live with her because I do like that kind of woman.
03:16:12.000But if all I wanted to do is fuck and I'm high-value and I can exercise my options, I go to my Instagram and exercise 10 options tonight, I would just dump every woman.
03:16:18.000You know when your wife debate all the time?
03:18:47.000Why men are loyal is because When a woman knows she's attractive, let's say you think you're an 8 or a 9 out of 10, all you have to do is be clingy.
03:19:38.000It's time for some steak on Myron's credit card.
03:19:41.000Conversations like this are exactly why I think that a lot of dating is just a giant waste of time because most of it is trying to pretend like you have to care about our astrology and our hobbies.
03:19:49.000We ask you what hobbies there are, and most of you don't really have any hobbies.
03:19:52.000I think I might speak to the type of women you choose.
03:19:55.000None of them really have any type of hobbies that anybody cares about.
03:19:59.000And even if they do, it's like, what are they?
03:20:44.000The reason why they say hot girls are dumb is because a lot of the times hot girls don't have to improve themselves or become better people to get attracted to the opposite gender.
03:21:33.000Most women are boring, don't have hobbies, don't have anything interesting to say, and are stupid, a lot of the times, hot girls, not all, but a lot of them, because there's no burning performance on females.
03:22:19.000I was going to say also for the intelligent thing, women on average, if you do all the fucking IQs, women are smarter than men on average.
03:22:24.000They do have a higher IQ. So in terms of like being intelligent or whatever, I agree with you that for a lot of women that are hot as fuck, they are some of the most boring, horrible fucking people in the world.
03:23:38.000What I'm saying, ladies, ladies, all I'm saying is that a woman doesn't have to be interesting or have hobbies or have any of these things in check to be around and or meet these higher status men.
03:23:48.000A man, on the other hand, to get that same opportunity to be on the boat and network with those same individuals and be around bad chicks has to build himself up to some point to do so.
03:23:58.000It's a waste of time and I know Nick's taking this right now and I've actually I agree with Nick on a lot of this that a lot of this is just a giant waste of time because like why would you work hard and become interesting so that you could waste it on some Bill Maude a boat who has nothing interesting to say and you just really wouldn't want to get your dick rubbed you just want to get your penis rubbed so it's just like such a giant vacuum of a waste of time I'm at the point now it's like past couple months like you Hang out with some of these girls.
03:24:18.000I think it's better to just wait until marriage and then focus on your goals and your passions and what you're supposed to do and doing the right thing and following God.
03:24:25.000Because all this is such a giant waste of time.
03:24:28.000Does that mean we're not going to see any more girls in your stream then for the next year or two?
03:24:57.000Because, like, you're saying the men are not going to get the same opportunity, but as we pointed out earlier, men-on-men relationships is different than men and women relationships.
03:25:05.000Like, when the women get into these situations, what are their opportunities for?
03:25:11.000Maybe getting a Louis bag, not a Birkin?
03:25:13.000But you're at least able to meet that man and get the opportunity to secure a relationship with him.
03:25:18.000You're not going to secure a relationship.
03:25:19.000Yeah, girls are not getting into relationships.
03:25:21.000Unless they're like 60, 70, looking for a sugar baby, right?
03:25:23.000A girl going on a boat is not dating one of these guys.
03:25:26.000What I'm simply saying is that women have opportunities that they don't have to work for where they're with men that are way out of their league versus men or don't get those opportunities unless they build themselves up.
03:25:35.000I agree with you, but again, I think it's male-centric because you're saying opportunities, but the opportunities to fuck the guys.
03:25:41.000No, I think it's all kinds of opportunities.
03:25:44.000I agree with Myra, that woman searching for private equity on the yacht.
03:26:06.000They go to these conventions, they go to these conservatives, they go to CPAC. And all these disgusting political boomers come over and go, oh, you're so beautiful!
03:26:15.000Like, I love to see a young woman talk about low taxes and whatever.
03:26:19.000And every single one of them, it's almost like a form of prostitution.
03:26:31.000Yeah, Tommy Lerner and every single one of them and they're like a rocket ship and they're not as smart, they're not as interesting, but they go to these things and like, you know, they laugh at the boomers jokes, they get the jobs.
03:26:41.000Once again, it's just like common sense.
03:26:43.000Hot women have easy lives because men who want to fuck them do stuff for them.
03:26:46.000Maybe they don't pay their electric bill, but they do stuff for them.
03:28:57.000And even if you're an attractive guy, like you're trying to argue where you're exceptionally attractive, six foot three, et cetera, there's always a time clock on it.
03:29:03.000No chick is going to take care of you long-term just because you're a handsome man.
03:29:06.000This lady gave this dude a whole car, okay?
03:29:12.000Yeah, but that's one dude over a thousand dudes.
03:30:38.000I'm not saying that to shit on y'all, but I'm trying to explain here that men must bring value to get in certain positions, whereas women don't.
03:30:45.000I don't think the podcast doesn't make much sense because you guys are choosing the women that go on the show.
03:30:48.000Like, there's not a low-value woman going on Joe Rogan.
03:30:50.000There's not a low-value woman going on Oprah.
03:30:52.000There's not a low-value woman being invited to, like, any, like, talk show.
03:32:41.000So, guys, for me to be successful, let's say I'm average, not me, I just need to be young and pretty, and I can be whatever, like, as pretty as I can be, and it doesn't matter anything else, right?
03:33:06.000And I tell them, listen, bro, if you were 18 years old and you got the world given to you just for being 18 years old, you would be a piece of shit, too.
03:33:34.000I'm a little confused by the question.
03:33:35.000No, but you said that you want variety and you want, like, you know, like, if there will be somebody hotter than your woman, you're going to choose her.
03:33:46.000I just said that men want variety and just the fact that just because you have substance, like your friend argued next to you in spirituality, just because a woman has substance doesn't mean that that's going to protect her from infidelity from her man.
03:35:50.000I think this whole debate between us has just shown that like we want certain things and in the real world what we want doesn't really matter is what it is and ultimately speaking like we're here to like obviously procreate and serve God but dating is a huge part of our lifestyle and ultimately speaking just to summarize this in a nutshell Men want what they want.
03:39:06.000I'll take the family because women know deep down in the back of their brain that they're more interested in people than things.
03:39:12.000Women are very lazy when it comes to creating excess resources.
03:39:15.000Women will create resources for themselves, which is why they work collectively.
03:39:18.000Men, on the other hand, will create excess resources for a family because our mating ability is contingent upon us being able to create excess resources.
03:39:27.000A woman's mating is not contingent upon her creating excess resources.
03:39:31.000So this is why no one gives a fuck about a woman's status or income.
03:40:56.000You want a man that can attract other women.
03:40:58.000That's why when you go to a nightclub, I hate to use nightclubs as an example, but it's one of the best expressions of primal human sexual strategy.
03:42:15.000The girl choosing the most successful guy and then the guy choosing the most pretty girl and then the most pretty girl became the whore and you complaining.
03:43:19.000If you're talking high-value, because you're talking about high-value women, a mid-fucking woman is not picking a relationship with any guy, but a really high-value guy does have his pick of women.
03:44:28.000Yeah, but it's also the same for the guy.
03:44:30.000The guy's giving the dick to the girl.
03:44:31.000If there's more girls going after the guy, if it's a high-value guy, do you acknowledge that, like, the guy can have more girls to fuck than what he would normally fuck?
03:44:38.000You totally derailed the conversation.
03:45:18.000Okay, maybe we're not that smart all the time and let's say when there is the girl pretty materialistic and whatever, if we have an opportunity let's say to get more money or to get like the most wealthy guy and we, you know, we're trying to do that.
03:45:33.000I don't know what kind of argument you were trying to make.
03:45:36.000She's COVID because she's red pill raging as a girl right now.
03:47:48.000I'm not against arranged marriages, however, when we're in a society where it's not very common and if you're...
03:47:55.000Are you planning on being in an arranged marriage?
03:47:59.000I mean, they're saying that nobody would want to, but I am speaking to people, and this is why it's been better since I reverted to Islam, because I'm speaking to a lot of people.
03:48:07.000And it's going to take longer, but a lot of sheikhs have proposed to me, and fathers have proposed to me, saying, like, this is my daughter.
03:48:11.000I mean, it's not as a flex, but it is what it is.
03:48:15.000In these arranged marriages, are these fathers aware that you want to have multiple wives?
03:48:23.000Okay, if it is an oral contract, it's currently being recorded, so that doesn't really matter for the purposes of a statute of frauds.
03:48:31.000In Islam, it's okay to have multiple wives.
03:48:33.000It's not something that I'm approaching it with, and it's not even something that I'm looking for automatically.
03:48:37.000I think it's better to stay with one wife for a bit, and then you bring on a second and then a third eventually, not just immediately have a bunch of marriages.
03:48:43.000Okay, are these fathers aware that that's what you want for their daughters?
03:50:16.000He's like, honey, do you want one of these ten?
03:50:19.000And she's like, oh, I like Zerka the best.
03:50:21.000But in your world, in your gay progressive world, you let women literally knock on my door at the bar and they go, John, I think I can fix you.
03:50:30.000And I go, I think I can break you more.
03:50:31.000You Like, you're giving women to guys like me.
03:50:37.000In a Catholic theocracy, the dad would be like, yeah, I don't want Zerk to fuck my girl.
03:50:42.000What's funny is, they still choose me, because I have the best DNA in this room, and you women have been broken since you got fucked 10 times at 16 years old.
03:55:55.000Yeah, I mean, there's like different buckets of your life that you feel like.
03:55:58.000You can be complete as a person and then incomplete in terms of finding a relationship.
03:56:01.000You can have a relationship with people that are complete but not have a community, right?
03:56:04.000Like, you typically build yourself, then build your family, then build your community, then build your country.
03:56:07.000Like, it all stems from that individual thing.
03:56:09.000If you're broken as a person, you're probably going to have a broken relationship, which will lead to broken communities, which will lead to broken countries.
03:57:10.000Yeah, that was the best debate we had when I showed the World Economic Forum saying, you're going to own nothing and be happy.
03:57:15.000Like, what's the context when it's the headline?
03:57:17.000I like how it's only people in your movement that make fun of the word context because you literally don't want to have any of it for any conversation you have.
03:57:23.000You don't even know what year that fucking quote is from.
03:57:25.000You don't know what the article is from.
03:57:25.000You don't know what they're discussing.
03:57:45.000No, my favorite is when Dick was talking about PNAC Project for New American Century, Neil Kant's taking down the World Trade Center, and this fucking nigga called George Soros left-wing media fucking Zionist.
03:57:57.000He's trying to say George Soros is a fucking, oh, he's like a turbo Zionist.
03:58:00.000The guy's talking to you about Larry Silverstein and shit.
03:59:33.000Mia Francis says, ladies, if the girl next to you is your ex-boyfriend's current girlfriend, would you say he upgraded or downgraded from you?
04:11:36.000I was in a movie about African American culture.
04:11:39.000And most of my content is red pill content.
04:11:42.000Most of my content is red pill content, talking about, like, and then also me as a lawyer, and then my dad, and then in the Air Force, and yeah, and then I traveled the country.
04:16:22.000Early in the show, we were arguing how girls always need some sort of masculine essence to follow.
04:16:27.000It's funny how the Jews who control Instagram The girls are getting more naked for these random people who design these websites than they are right now or how they would be dressing.
04:16:35.000So girls are not always going to be controlling.
04:16:36.000All the people that control these websites, they're laughing because they have all these female essences.
04:17:46.000There's a couple times on the show where you don't realize that there's a difference between men wanting a relationship and men just being attracted to a woman.
04:19:26.000You're not doing it for lesbians, but I go onto Instagram and I go onto Pinterest and I search attractive females and what they're wearing.
04:19:34.000Right, and your beauty standard is based on how men, how attractive men find you.
04:19:38.000So if that didn't exist, it'd be pointless.
04:22:04.000No, you said that you don't dress provocatively for men.
04:22:06.000She just tried to do the same tactic earlier in the show, and then another girl just exposed exactly what her real method was for dressing provocatively.
04:36:26.000We can definitely have you a guest appearance.
04:36:30.000But no, I think what I want to just share with your audience is be with someone you're compatible with, someone you can have the same mindset, the same goals and purpose with.