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00:15:54.000Just out of curiosity, if your MOS is your air traffic controller, why don't you do that in the civilian world?
00:15:59.000It's super stressful, and the Army sets you up for failure, so they, even though they train you to be an air traffic controller, they don't actually set you up to be able to take it to the civilian side.
00:16:09.000Only the Air Force really gets to, because they deal with actual planes.
00:16:21.000Because, yeah, I mean, air traffic controllers, it's a six-figure job, but it's typically always in the top five or ten for most stressful jobs.
00:30:53.000No, I just had a black beauty mask on, and I put it on Snapchat when he says he only likes black girls, and somebody screenshotted it, put it on Twitter, it went viral, and yeah, lost my scholarship, so I had like a 4.0 and a full ride, like...
00:34:06.000I am a sex coach, primarily for men, but also these days lately I've been educating women on how to please and be better in bedroom, in general.
00:34:15.000And apparently I am Zerka's celebrity nutritionist.
00:37:55.000But the medical system in the USA has a habit of prescribing drugs that are prescription drugs that are continuously taking to try to fix a problem you have Because they make a profit on it.
00:38:12.000And I think you would have been able to fix the issues, whatever, whatever problems, issues, whatever you have.
00:38:21.000Very naturally, through diet, nutrition.
00:38:26.000And in a long-term context, rather than I take a pill right now and it feels better, versus I adjust these things in my lifestyle and nutrition over the next three to six months and I see the same result,
00:39:12.000So, one, I did read that the pill is a listed carcinogen for the FDA, which I think is really unfair for women's health because men want to be nutting in women, but the most accessible one is literally a carcinogen.
00:42:03.000I got it when I was like 22, 21, around there.
00:42:07.000So was it because you were sexually active then?
00:42:10.000Because you mentioned that, and I don't mean to get too personal, but you mentioned that you got on it because you wanted to regulate your periods.
00:42:20.000Um, well, a big part of that had to do with, like, my parents.
00:42:24.000They didn't feel comfortable with me getting it so young.
00:42:27.000Um, and also, also just, like, when it comes to, like, the American healthcare system, like, traversing that with insurance can be a big pain.
00:42:35.000So it took me quite a while to, like, figure all of that out.
00:42:38.000And then it also got to a breaking point where I was, like, juggling all my studying, doing work, everything like that.
00:42:43.000And I was like, okay, I have to get my health in priority.
00:43:17.000So if a girl has bad acne, they will prescribe it to regulate.
00:43:20.000I completely agree with what you're saying about how everything is very over-prescribed here, but we also come from like a socialist healthcare system where it's very different.
00:44:13.000Because women make drastically different choices and partners when they're on birth control than when they're off birth control.
00:44:22.000That's one of the main reasons why divorce rates are so high.
00:44:26.000If you're on birth control as a woman, it's affecting your hormones, affecting your estrogen, whatever.
00:44:30.000It's making you feel like you're pregnant, artificially, basically.
00:44:34.000And so you adapt to that, and you'll make choices.
00:44:38.000Your choice in partner adapts to that.
00:44:39.000So usually what happens is a woman will get on birth control from some other partner, and then she'll keep doing it, and she'll date outside of that guy.
00:44:52.000She'll divorce him or break up with him.
00:44:56.000And she'll keep going around, and then she'll get with a guy, decide to have kids with him, and when she gets off birth control, she will break up with him, because she no longer finds him attractive.
00:45:09.000Because birth control will drastically change how you perceive guys.
00:45:14.000I never heard of that, but that's interesting.
00:50:12.000But there's extras that have been added on top of that.
00:50:16.000I thought the question was like, date-wise.
00:50:26.000It's possible that he'll tell you, hey, come to a dinner.
00:50:28.000It's the first time you guys are meeting, but there'll be other people there.
00:50:31.000If that promoter took me to a side in the club and he decided to pour me the drink, then I guess that's different, but it's never like that.
00:57:08.000He was an American visiting Australia, was staying in Australia, we met, he whined and dined me, and then three weeks later, he literally moved into my apartment, and he asked me to move to America with him.
00:57:21.000That's the reason why I'm in this country.
00:59:02.000I had an ex-boyfriend, basically, who lived in D.C. So, like, he would pay for my ticket so I could go see him and go to restaurants and stuff like that.
01:01:44.000We got here, Myron's subconscious goes, what reason would you or did you use to validate the last time you cheated in a relationship and if the roles were reversed, would you have accepted your man giving you that reason?
01:01:55.000And fellas, please translate to womanese.
01:02:28.000Because they're using the male metric.
01:02:30.000They're thinking cheating like with actual sex.
01:02:33.000All right, let me go ahead and clarify this.
01:02:36.000When cheating, just so I qualify this, it's talking to another guy, entertaining, potentially talking to another guy, going out on girls' nights out, putting yourself in situations to meet other men.
01:02:49.000All of that constitutes cheating, ladies.
01:02:51.000I know some of y'all are like, that's not true, but it's insecure!
01:02:54.000For the purposes of this podcast, just so that we're on the same footing here, it means even going out when you have a guy.
01:03:43.000Remember, have you ever cheated on your guy, and it's with the rules I gave, right, with even talking to another man, etc.
01:03:50.000Now, if the roles were reversed, would you accept him talking to other women and doing the things that you did and put himself in positions to meet other women?
01:03:59.000Now, give me a red if you would not accept it.
01:04:02.000It would be really stupid if I turned this around right now.
01:07:16.000No, but I don't pick just based off physical attractiveness, A. And B, I don't go, oh, okay, he's two inches taller, so that's.274 more, and this is like, I think the scale is...
01:07:26.000No, correct, but you wouldn't stratify them.
01:07:27.000The scale is whimsical and arbitrary to me.
01:08:01.000Maybe it's not about wasting your brain energy, but you have ancestors, and those ancestors had to judge men on their physical appearance at some point, or else they wouldn't be able to...
01:08:09.000My point isn't that I have an issue with judging men.
01:08:12.000My point is doing it on a 1 to 10 scale, because I just don't do that.
01:09:00.000The stat, it's that you argue in bad faith about certain things.
01:09:03.000So for example, right, that discussion in particular was, hey, marriage really isn't in your best interest as a man, period.
01:09:08.000And then you went ahead and pulled out this straw man of like, oh, well, it's because, actually, you do realize that like a younger, you don't want the age gap to be too much, and then educated women with bachelor's degree actually have lower divorce rates.
01:09:18.000That doesn't take away from the point that marriage is not a good proposition for men in general.
01:09:22.000Actually, how it happened was you were saying that a younger girl is more moldable and it's more successful to be in a relationship with a younger girl.
01:09:29.000And I was saying that if you have a 10-year age gap, your likelihood of divorce goes up by 40%.
01:09:35.000And then we got into selection bias because I've tried to explain to you multiple times that if you're just looking at the women that are getting divorced and you're like, 70% of women initiate divorces and it goes up for college-educated women.
01:09:45.000But in general, college-educated women are less likely to be in that group getting divorced in the first place.
01:09:50.000No, it's that, see how I said something that's objectively true, and then you went ahead and you framed it in a way to make an argument for a stance that you have.
01:09:57.000I'm just saying younger women in general tend to be more impressionable, are going to follow your lead under better partners, and then you went ahead and took from that, oh, well, you know what?
01:10:05.000Actually, age gap, once you press a certain amount, the divorce rates actually go up.
01:10:13.000I'm saying something, and then you go ahead.
01:10:15.000You find something very tightly aligned, and you'll be like, oh, well, actually, and then you make a completely different argument.
01:10:19.000No, it's not, though, because if you're saying, well, I assume that you're saying those younger women are more moldable, therefore your relationship would be more successful.
01:10:26.000A good comeback to that is that the statistics show your relationship is less likely to be successful with a younger woman.
01:10:31.000That's why I brought up, I think it's very relevant.
01:10:33.000Well, she could be younger than you and still be within that age range that we're talking about, that Ms.
01:10:45.000That's 100% arguing in bad faith because that doesn't actually challenge what I said.
01:10:49.000You're just countering it with something that doesn't really align with what We can leave it up to the audience.
01:10:52.000I would say that if someone's giving the advice to date somebody younger, right, you guys are all, like I was saying, and even a five-year age gap, 10-year age gap, 20-year age gap, all of those increase your likelihood of the relationship not working out, divorce, like, statistically.
01:11:36.000There's also a demographic shift in that, too.
01:11:38.000So if you're talking about a guy who's 50 and a woman who's 35, that's a whole lot different than if you're talking about a guy who's 40 and a woman who's like 25.
01:11:46.000Because if he's going to say that women are more moldable as they age, a woman who's 25 years old is going to be probably a little bit more, let's say, fresh and naive, I guess, a little less experienced, to put it nicely, than a woman who's 35 who's already got another 10 years on the woman who's 25.
01:12:03.000So is the 35-year-old woman also as moldable as a 25-year-old?
01:12:07.000And I would argue that that's not the case.
01:12:08.000Well, and then the super young, like the, I'm sure if you guys actually are looking at stats, I think you do a good job of this.
01:12:14.000A woman younger than 25 is more likely to get divorced.
01:12:17.000The good ages are 25 to 32 are the best ages to get married statistically for the least likelihood of divorce.
01:12:24.000Well, unfortunately, that's not how it works right now.
01:12:26.000What is the average age of first marriage is 30 for women and 32 for men, right?
01:12:30.000I get that, but a lot of this show is saying, oh, these younger women are better, and they're moldable, and blah, blah, blah.
01:12:35.000And I'm saying those younger women are actually...
01:12:37.000By following the advice of this show, you are putting yourself at a greater statistical likelihood of divorce.
01:12:52.000All these other things come into play, and then you go ahead and get the younger woman.
01:12:56.000So you're missing out all the other stuff...
01:13:00.000Contextually what I'd like to know is so there's like a top five reasons for divorce and the majority of the divorce is initiated by women so my question is in the where there's a larger age gap what are those top five reasons are they the same top five reasons if you're talking about somebody who's three years apart Three years?
01:13:15.000I don't think there was any great statistical likelihood of your divorce going up for three years.
01:13:25.000Like, for instance, I think domestic abuse is like third.
01:13:27.000Yeah, like, I know in general, like, infidelity, lack of commitment, those are...
01:13:30.000But I don't know if I've seen any data specifically singling out the couples with the biggest age gap and why those couples specifically got divorced.
01:13:39.000Yeah, so, like I said, because you're saying, oh, because you're only taking one piece of information and saying, well, statistically speaking, the rates of divorce are, you know, going to go up.
01:13:47.000Which, that might be true, but if you follow the other things we teach, getting your money on point, getting in shape, having frame, not being a loser, not letting woman lead, you know what I mean?
01:14:45.000They don't understand being attractive.
01:14:46.000So that's what I would use to measure it.
01:14:48.000I think what you're saying is relevant, but the thing is, these are men who are just dating women because they're younger and they're still not prepared to date women at all.
01:14:58.000And so the difference in age gap is a problem.
01:15:00.000But you're saying if you're financially successful and you're able to lead, that this would not be an issue.
01:15:06.000Yeah, because the thing is, when most guys get divorced, they don't see it coming a lot of the times.
01:15:09.000So when they don't see it coming, well, that tells me you don't know what the fuck is going on.
01:15:13.000You don't realize that you already lost a relationship years ago, months ago, whatever, and it's because you don't have frame.
01:15:19.000I'd be curious as to, I think one of the main reasons why a woman who's like 15, 10, even 20 years younger than someone is marrying them, I think they would be financially stable, but maybe they're not.
01:15:30.000Well, yeah, of course that's a component, but that's the problem because he relies on that too much.
01:15:35.000Wait, I want to say something quickly.
01:15:37.000I think with all due respect, even if you have all those great things going for you, when it comes to people getting young and people getting married young in general, they're much more likely to divorce.
01:15:47.000And I think a big part of that is that Your brain is fully not developed.
01:15:50.000Your long-term decision-making skills are not fully developed.
01:15:54.000So I think even if you're this amazing guy, if you're getting married with a woman who's too young, as she matures and grows older and that part of her brain changes, she might start making different decisions.
01:16:06.000So I think that's another reason to keep in mind that, hey, maybe waiting a little bit later is a better choice because she's more emotionally and mentally mature and can make stable decisions.
01:16:15.000Yeah, and 25, I think that's literally 25, 26 is when the prefrontal cortex really develops.
01:16:55.000People, when they say, oh no, get a woman as young as possible, 18, that's when you start running into the fact that her brain's not fully developed, so you might, even you can be this amazing person, she's still not fully emotionally, mentally matured.
01:17:07.000Between 18 and 28 is when women are in their party or their whole phase, as it is anyways.
01:17:16.000Yeah, she's impressionable at that point and she isn't like fully developed as you guys would say, but why not develop her under your frame where she understands through your lens how to operate, how to move, how to behave, etc.
01:17:26.000I think it's better for me to take her when she's still impressionable and mold her into the woman that I want versus society doing it for me.
01:17:33.000Society's going to turn her into a promiscuous whore that thinks that it's okay to sleep around and do a bunch of stupid shit and have indiscriminate sex with the highest status guys that she can get and then she's going to be fucked up when I get her.
01:17:44.000Well, I think the point is that even if you try to mold her, just because mentally she's not fully developed, she might be making these choices with you that once her prefrontal cortex is fully developed, she'd be making different choices.
01:17:56.000So it's like, okay, you can still find a partner that has your same values aligned, that you don't risk the whole idea of like, oh no, now you have the mental maturity, things have changed, the brain chemistry has changed, and now you have that risk.
01:18:10.000So I think it's a little bit less riskier to find.
01:18:12.000Could the risk be because, you know, men find her the most attractive in that time period between, let's just say, 18 and 23, that that also her relative attractiveness, she's aware of it because of, let me say, social media, that makes it more likely for her to want to divorce.
01:18:29.000No, I think the risk is literally just the fact that since the prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed and hasn't slowed down yet, if people find her attractive, don't find her attractive, it's just not the same level of decision-making, a 23-year-old making a decision, as a 25-year-old.
01:18:44.000For instance, her ability to determine, this is wrong, I'm in a relationship and I shouldn't be doing this, is not fully formed before the age of 25.
01:18:51.000So even though she's more attractive to most men, her ability to stay in the relationship is going to be harder for her because she's under the age of 25.
01:18:58.000Do you think they're all divorcing under the age of 25, too?
01:19:01.000Because I think the average amount of years people are married is like seven years.
01:19:04.000So are you saying that these people that are marrying at like 19, you're saying they're getting divorced?
01:19:11.000I'm saying the proposition of, is that one of the reasons why you think that the divorce rate would be higher with a greater difference in age?
01:20:01.000Well, the other thing, too, is that, um, I would say the internet, right?
01:20:05.000Well, that's the whole study right there.
01:20:08.000It's comparative to where we were, like, in the 20th century versus the 21st century.
01:20:13.000So if you look at divorce rates, they tend to be going down because few and fewer people are actually getting married in the first place.
01:20:18.000So we're at the lowest rate of marriage in, like, recorded history, like 5.1 per 1,000 or six.
01:20:23.000We might have come up to six recently, but it was at 5.1 and has gone steadily down since 1965 when hormonal birth control was introduced.
01:20:32.000Do you know the one group of women where it's not going down for, though?
01:20:36.000It is highly educated women and women of high socioeconomics.
01:20:39.000Yes, because they have more resources to lose, that's why.
01:20:42.000But yeah, but still, so there's validity in what you're saying, but also the ones who do get divorced are the ones who are college educated.
01:20:50.000So the ones who are least likely to get divorced are the ones who are college educated, but then the ones who get divorced, the majority of them are the college educated ones.
01:21:02.000The ones who, so you're saying that there are women who are college educated, they are the least likely to get divorced, but of the ones who do get divorced, the majority of those women who do get divorced are college educated.
01:21:14.000I would say that those women that are, yes, I think if you're college educated, you have resources, you're going to be less likely to stay in a shitty situation for money.
01:21:22.000Okay, but you see how they're saying that the stats play out from that perspective as well.
01:21:26.000And another thing that I want to mention is I think the disparity when we're talking about these stats is like, when you're talking about people breaking up at these ages, most of them aren't being taught this information about how to be a high-value man, how to exemplify these various different characteristics.
01:21:39.000So what they're talking about comes from a totally different frame versus the statistics that we're looking at for most divorces or separations or whatever it may be.
01:21:46.000I'm just saying, if you want to lower your likelihood of divorce, the three things you should be doing is a woman who's between 25 and 32, it's her first marriage and she's college educated.
01:21:55.000If you can, if you can get someone with my level of education, the divorce rate cuts in half.
01:21:59.000Highly educated people, one, we're getting married more than everyone else is going down, we're going up.
01:22:30.000So when they surveyed women, they surveyed 7,000 women, and they asked them the ones who said that they cheated and the ones who said they didn't cheat.
01:22:37.000The ones who did cheat said that they had had sex with about nine partners, and the ones who didn't cheat, it was about 3.8.
01:22:42.000And so it was 230% more sexual partners for women who did cheat than didn't.
01:23:14.000You were saying like, oh yeah, that's actually bad advice because you guys tell guys to get women that are young in their peak years, 18 and 23.
01:23:19.000What I'm saying is that that's just one component of what we tell guys to do.
01:23:22.000But on top of that, right, that ability to do that is contingent upon your skillset as a man and your competence.
01:23:39.000Like, where are you getting that if you have your money right, etc?
01:23:43.000Because I assume that if you're a 20-year-old and you're marrying a 35-year-old, you're not going to marry, and you're attractive, you're not marrying a broke 35-year-old, but you're still going to be likely to divorce him.
01:23:51.000So I'm curious as to why you think that.
01:23:54.000Because what you're saying here is you're just going off of strictly age, but for average people too.
01:24:00.000Remember, keep in mind, a lot of these guys that are getting divorced, etc., they're fucking suckers.
01:24:17.000And most men don't understand what it takes to be attractive to women because the things that make a man attractive are not politically correct.
01:24:24.000If you do teach guys these things, what happens?
01:24:26.000You get cancelled, you get called massages, you get labeled like we are, where we're assholes.
01:24:30.000But we tell guys what it takes to really be attractive to women and unfortunately, when you display these things, It's unfavorable to women because you start to reveal the unflattering realities about female nature.
01:25:01.000If the divorce rate is higher for people that are marrying women 10, 15, 20 years younger than them, are those men more likely to be simps?
01:25:08.000Because they're more likely to get divorced.
01:25:11.000What I'm saying is that the knowledge that we provide, because you're just looking at it from an age perspective.
01:25:16.000What I'm saying is that you can't just go ahead and say, I'm going to get a bad bitch that's 21 and not take in all the other stuff that we're giving, because yes, you will get divorced.
01:25:23.000But what I'm saying is that the guys that you're talking about that are getting divorced off of this age gap, etc., they're not applying all the other things that we teach men.
01:25:43.000Buss talks about this in The Evolution of Desire, about the May-December wedding.
01:25:46.000And this has to do with the amount of mate guarding men do when the wife is significantly younger than them.
01:25:54.000And so what he's saying is, like, these are behaviors that generally we would consider, like, can we say sympathy behaviors?
01:26:01.000It's just like being, like, overly reactive in this situation and not having boundaries to the point where they get, like, digging through their phone.
01:26:08.000If I had to dig through my girl's phone, I would just break up with her.
01:26:31.000So the point I'm trying to make is because she is more attractive to more men, like the point at which she'd get more right swipes, this is just one data point, that's the reason why he would be more covetous of her.
01:26:55.000He had the ability to enforce those boundaries.
01:26:56.000He would be less likely to get divorced.
01:26:59.000So, I mean, sure, that's speculative, but so you are saying then that, yeah, those men that are marrying women younger than them, you're speculating that maybe a reason for that could be what you're saying.
01:28:25.000I would agree with Pixie because we have a lot of other data that people don't make the best decisions and they change their mind when their prefrontal cortex isn't as developed.
01:28:33.000So I would say that if it was up to me just because we know that that affects their decision making and that they're more likely to regret things they do under 25, that would probably be a good reason for why they probably are getting divorced.
01:28:44.000But what if that makes sense to what Myron's saying?
01:28:46.000Because if you're saying that women are more likely to get divorced because their prefrontal cortex is not developed, they're not able to make rational decisions, aren't they more likely to fuck that up by being led by outsider influences such as their young girlfriends, Instagram, these various things?
01:29:01.000And what we're talking about is it's not just on the basis of the stats that are out there.
01:29:06.000If you have a man who's actually going to lead you and guide you in the right direction, that's very, very different than the average age gap or decision.
01:29:15.000Especially a man with means and is older and is a better judge of character.
01:29:20.000I'm curious about your personal development as well.
01:29:23.000A woman at 25 who's been socialized by society is less likely to get divorced.
01:29:44.000One thing that I think makes a difference is that 46 and being in shape is very different than the average 46-year-old man who's got a BMI of 50-whatever.
01:29:52.000So I think that's another issue in this case.
01:29:56.000What I'm saying is, you get to a point where I can't play football with my son because I'm too old, but if you keep yourself in shape, then I don't think that would be as much of an issue.
01:30:03.000Yeah, I'm sure if you keep yourself in shape and you stay attractive to your partner, your likelihood of divorce is lowered.
01:30:08.000I agree with that, but we just haven't, we don't know what to isolate here.
01:30:12.000All we know is that men who get married to women that are significantly younger than them, and the more younger they are, the higher your likelihood of divorce.
01:30:18.000Now, you guys are saying, if you have enough money and blah, blah, blah, although I would speculate that these women that are marrying, the 25-year-old who's marrying the 40-year-old is probably doing so because he's at least well-off somewhat, because he's, you know, She just thought I was funny, high value man.
01:30:47.000Or something that younger people may not necessarily have.
01:30:50.000Okay, I think the point is that like, you guys are already by this basis of having a young woman marry an older man, he has to have some level of high value, right?
01:30:58.000Because then otherwise, why would the young woman marry that man?
01:31:00.000Yet despite this, we still see like a pretty high rate of failure.
01:31:04.000So the idea is that, like, hey, it doesn't necessarily matter if you're high value or not.
01:31:09.000There's a certain age where she's too young, her prefrontal cortex is still developing.
01:31:13.000You can guide her as much as you want, but it just comes down to simple brain chemistry.
01:31:18.000While when she's 25 past, she's more stable mentally, she's more congruent, and she's able to make those long-term decisions.
01:31:47.000Specifically, I remember, again, from Evolution of Desire, is the concept of, if I am in my 50s and she's 25, my ability to replace her is less.
01:31:55.000And that is what all of us, no matter if it's a three-year age difference or a 25-year age difference, vehemently suggests men do not get into that situation.
01:32:04.000Not to leave your wife, but to at least be in enough shape, good enough shape, and to have enough charisma, and to have enough financial means to where if you had to, you could.
01:32:13.000Because if your wife believes fully that you're the best, or she's the best you can do, and you could never replace her, then that's where we could end up in some of these problems.
01:32:21.000What Pixie and I are saying is that usually a woman who's 25, if she's marrying a 50-year-old or a woman who's 20 who's marrying a 35-year-old, he usually has some of these things.
01:32:36.000For instance, an abundance when it comes to women or an abundance when it comes to networking or the ability to communicate.
01:32:42.000Some level of charisma, the ability to network or having a sense of humor that other people find attractive, that network, those things right there, a lot of men won't have.
01:32:50.000Now what happens is because she, in his mind, she's much, much less, much less replaceable.
01:32:55.000He can't get another 25-year-old girl, or he believes he can't.
01:32:58.000That's going to be a situation where she's more likely to leave.
01:33:02.000In this situation, her from the outside looking in, or from the inside looking out, from her situation, she's getting a lot more right swipes.
01:33:09.000She's receiving a lot more stimulus because of her age.
01:33:12.000And so those two things together may cause a higher divorce rate.
01:33:16.000And this is where numbers and stats kind of collide with common sense.
01:33:19.000So I know, right, and I'm sure all of you know this, ladies, from your experience as a woman dealing with men in general, most men that come up to you probably aren't attractive.
01:34:53.000I know that's what you want, but most women don't like that.
01:34:55.000So you're saying most men are whatever, all this, you're true, but how you would have to explain my stat is by saying that those men are over-represented in the group that are marrying younger women.
01:35:06.000Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense because that would, if most men are simps, then most men who marry the women in the same age range are simps too.
01:35:11.000But for some reason, there's something, yeah, they are, but the divorce, you have to explain that by saying that the men who marry women younger than them are over-represented in simpness.
01:35:25.000The reason why I can say that so conclusively is because I know that most men don't understand female nature.
01:35:30.000So, the men that are polled, that are getting married to these younger women that are getting divorced, right, but with this age gap that you're describing, what I'm saying is that they might have polled her with one skill set, maybe two skill sets.
01:35:40.000Maybe they had money, but they were charming.
01:35:46.000Is that this age gap doesn't account for their ability to be a leader and be attractive in other facets because women have a multivaried analysis of what they like.
01:35:55.000But what I'm saying is those men that are marrying when younger to them have to be less likely than people who are marrying people in the same age for it to make sense why they're getting divorced at higher rates.
01:36:41.000They still don't understand women naturally.
01:36:43.000So are men who marry women younger than them more likely to exhibit simp traits than a man who marries a woman 25 and older and generally in the same age range?
01:36:51.000That has a less statistical likelihood.
01:36:52.000I want to know what the age differential we're talking about here because we really need to clarify that.
01:36:58.000Ten years increases your likelihood of divorce by 40%.
01:37:01.000Because statistically speaking, women tend to, well they desire anyways, guys who are anywhere between three to seven years older than they are.
01:37:08.000So it comes out to right about five years as the difference.
01:37:12.000If the guy's five years difference, are we now in a different category?
01:37:16.000So, you are, but the likelihood of divorce is still higher than if you marry someone within three years, but ten years is when, like, ten years it goes up by 40%.
01:37:25.000So, I would say, like, a lot of you guys, you guys are in your 30s, and you guys, at least, like, some of the stuff I've heard, oh, I want a woman who's 20, 21, 22.
01:37:33.000You are, that woman is more likely to divorce you than a woman at 25 is.
01:37:42.000Key, if you're a regular guy, you're excluding all the other advice we give.
01:37:47.000You're excluding, you're saying, okay, statistically speaking, if you're a regular guy and you get with a girl 10 years or above, you have a higher chance of getting divorced.
01:37:54.000However, if you implement all the other things we teach on this podcast with Understanding frame, understanding what arouses women versus what attracts them, the difference between that, getting your money on point, getting in the gym, being attractive, understanding how tonality, how to speak to a woman properly, right?
01:38:07.000Speaking to her in a certain type of way versus speaking to a woman versus speaking to a man.
01:38:12.000If you understand all these things, that's going to significantly reduce But wouldn't that reduce it for everybody?
01:38:22.000The difference is, I forget if it's called attractiveness differential or attractiveness quotient or attractiveness quotient differential, something like that.
01:38:29.000They talk about it in evolutionary psychology.
01:38:32.000The difference, it's not just his simpiness versus her attractiveness.
01:38:35.000It is the delta between the two that then makes him more simpiness.
01:38:41.000So I agree with you because relationships last longer when you marry somebody or you're with somebody of kind of equal attraction.
01:38:47.000For sure, because there's a leverage point.
01:38:50.000I do have a question, though, for you, kind of on the same line.
01:38:54.000You would agree, I mean, obviously we're talking about here, that women would just in general be able to get more attention from guys than the other way around, right?
01:39:00.000That's a leverage point in the relationship.
01:39:02.000Meaning, like, if she wanted casual sex, she could get it faster than, like, a celebrity, right?
01:39:06.000Okay, in that instance, do you believe that a more successful relationship would be for a woman to be more into her man than the other way around?
01:39:14.000I would say that, personally, I think it should be a partnership.
01:39:18.000But if it is a partnership, and she has the leverage point of being able to get so much more attention, like we talked about in this May-December wedding, do you see how that's a problem?
01:39:25.000Like, she has this leverage point that he doesn't have.
01:39:32.000Like, I don't think that just having leverage or access to other people means that now that needs to be leveled out by you liking this guy more than...
01:39:38.000Right, but he doesn't have this leverage point that she does have.
01:39:42.000I guess another question would be, do you think a successful relationship or relationship would be more likely to be successful if a man leads in a relationship?
01:39:58.000I don't necessarily think it's less successful, so a lot of times, leading, I don't know what that really looks like or means, but a lot of traditional conservatives, they do have marriages that last longer, but that has been attributed, at least from the research, to going to church.
01:40:11.000These kinds of things make you more likely.
01:41:13.000The woman works from an elective standpoint.
01:41:15.000And he's dominant and assertive in a bunch of other masculine traits that we tend to know.
01:41:20.000So one of the reasons, and Rolla brings this up sometimes, is that one of the precipitators of divorce would be if she starts making more money than him.
01:41:49.000He can consult with his wife, the authority in the marriage.
01:41:53.000I have not seen any data to back this up, and definitely anecdotally, which is the only things I can go off of.
01:41:57.000I haven't seen instances of when the man is more likely to do that.
01:42:00.000Now, I think where you can make a correlation is that traditional conservative people, they're also more likely to go, because we have that, we have that.
01:42:08.000We know that people who go to church more, who are more religious, are more likely to stay married.
01:42:13.000And those relationships may typically take on that traditional provider and homemaker role more.
01:42:20.000And I have no problem with those kind of relationships.
01:42:21.000I just don't like a one-size-fits-all.
01:42:24.000Of course not one-size-fits-all, but there's definitely a one-size-fits-most.
01:42:37.000The things that women are attracted to all symbolize superiority.
01:42:41.000So, if the guy is going to be superior in every way from a physicality standpoint, a competence standpoint, etc., it would make sense that he leads.
01:43:00.00046, if I were in a situation where I consistently were like, yeah, honey, you make the decisions and all these things, I would get left.
01:43:07.000Like, I just can't think of a single leg exception.
01:43:09.000Yeah, so, in your relationship, but like, I'm a lawyer, and I, like, in those kind of, like, my friends that are also pretty, they have, like, partnerships.
01:43:25.000In fact, education, because the gap is reversed, a lot of times, like, now they've done all these studies where women are more okay with men making one less money and also...
01:43:41.000I kind of do want to push back on the income standpoint because that data point becomes a lot more varied when you research into it.
01:43:51.000For example, when you ask women, are they okay or do they want the man to make more income or what happens when the woman makes more income?
01:43:58.000Well, in a lot of cases, she's making more income, but she's expected to do the same amount of household labor as before.
01:44:04.000So now she's being the breadwinner and she's doing all the household chores.
01:44:07.000So then in those cases, a woman feels dissatisfied in the relationship because she feels like too much of the burden of labor is on her, for example.
01:44:14.000Do you feel like, say, from an evolutionary standpoint, women just have a proclivity to feel more dissatisfied in a relationship than a man?
01:44:24.000The reason why is because there's actual studies on where you can control for men and women, which would be comparing the divorce rate for lesbian couples than you would for homosexual couples.
01:44:32.000And in those relationships, lesbians get divorced at 200% the rate that homosexual men do.
01:44:41.000Wait, that's also a really weird stat because it could also be that lesbian couples are more likely to, let's say, report on domestic violence.
01:45:03.000I think it's kind of weird when we take it into different sexual orientation, because I don't know if necessarily the dynamics of interest changes there.
01:45:12.000Lesbians are attracted to other women, so they're attracted to other feminine qualities.
01:45:16.000I'd rather focus on straight relationships, although I understand where you're coming from.
01:45:19.000Well, in lesbian relationships, there's typically a dominant, there's still a masculine and a feminine.
01:45:23.000There's still the right idea between the two.
01:45:25.000So, like, from a role standpoint, it's still there.
01:46:02.000You're saying, oh, women get dissatisfied faster.
01:46:04.000But regardless of that, we can still acknowledge that, hey, if a woman is gaining a greater income and is also still doing a greater majority of the household chores, that's going to contribute to her dissatisfaction because she just feels like the scales are so uneven.
01:46:18.000But when it comes to the cases of like, oh, no, men doing the same or more amount of household chores and she's maybe making less or same income, there's variables that you can play here where the woman doesn't feel as dissatisfied.
01:46:35.000But I think the more important thing here is that her being in the breadwinner position is really the main focal point where the issues arise.
01:46:42.000Because women don't really do that well when they're in a breadwinner position with a man.
01:47:18.000So, splitting the bills half and half, splitting the chores half and half, splitting financial responsibilities all together half and half, etc.
01:47:25.000That's what I mean when I say egalitarian, equal.
01:48:18.000Women's emotions fluctuate and her doing better than her men can absolutely affect her emotions because women tend to look at men from a more prospective standpoint, either where they're at or where they're going to be.
01:48:30.000And if she's with the guy and she out-earns him and he's not doing something to take back that leadership role from a financial provider standpoint, She's gonna feel some type of way out of this.
01:48:38.000There are stats that show that the number one precipitator of divorce between couples who have been married already where they're either making equal or the man's making more and the woman gets a raise and pay of some sort so she gets a promotion or something.
01:48:50.000That is the number one precipitator for divorce.
01:48:52.000The other part of this is that also There's plenty of stats for this.
01:49:11.000Now, put this into perspective, then you've got more women going to university, you've got more women on OnlyFans, you've got more women making more money right now, and yet the expectation still stays the same.
01:49:23.000And it also stays the same, I should say, also in the most gender-egalitarian countries on planet Earth.
01:49:29.000Almost half of U.S. households right now have women making as much, the same, or more than the husband.
01:49:34.000And I agree with you, because women don't want...
01:49:36.000One of the things that happens in divorce is women are far more likely to have their standard of living go down.
01:49:41.000They're more likely to seek government assistance.
01:49:44.000I really wanted to make sure I clarify this because everyone says, oh yeah, women's standard of living and they take a financial hit and they do worse off after divorce.
01:49:54.000And the funny thing is, is they still choose to leave.
01:49:57.000But the thing is, and I'm going to quote James Sexton here, is in the short term...
01:50:07.000Because when the man is already coming back and already paying child support and already paying alimony after that, then you're seeing the transfer of resources from that man to that woman afterwards.
01:50:18.000The real crux of this is, is that the incentive for the divorce in the first place?
01:50:49.000Like, I like a lot of the stuff he talks about there.
01:50:51.000But I just feel like, yes, a woman who is resources, who's able to take care of herself is going to not be as likely to stay in a shitty situation.
01:51:34.000There's a great study, Institute of Labor Economics, the study's called the Economics of Hypergamy, and this was even looking at since the 1800s to 2022, over 33 million marriages.
01:51:44.000Women typically marry men that are of the same status, and they're looking at all these countries.
01:53:09.000That's the difference, by the way, in just the last 60 years, which is a blink of an eye in human evolution right now.
01:53:16.000So what I'm saying is this, is that we used to have buffers and checks and balances against men's sexual nature, which is unlimited access to unlimited sexuality, and we also had buffers against the worst parts of hypergamy, okay?
01:53:27.000Meaning, we had the church, we had social stigmas, we had family, we had mores that were buffers against those.
01:53:34.000Now those things are gone with the advent of hormonal birth control and the sexual revolution that was the result.
01:53:40.000I don't want to add to this real fast.
01:53:43.000It just was the expression of it and the allowed to exist in the context has only been within the last, like, 65 years.
01:53:49.000You're saying that hypergamy was always just what they wanted, even though mating practices have not mirrored this.
01:53:55.000Yes, because we have one invention that allows us to see...
01:53:59.000I think the confusion, because I've had this discussion before, I think the confusion may be hypergamy is just money.
01:54:04.000You want a man who's taller than you, and if you have to stratify among several men, the man who may be taller than the rest of them, you have to choose between several men who are 5'6", and one who's 6'3", you're more attracted to the guy who's 6'3".
01:54:15.000And men are more attracted to the woman who's 6'3".
01:54:18.000That's hypoanjury, then that's what that'd be called.
01:54:33.000Hypergamy is he is stronger than the other man.
01:54:35.000He's not the best man you can get, it's the best man you can't get.
01:54:38.000Yeah, but you guys, so what I'm saying is you guys are saying this is what women want, but the practices that have actually been, yeah, women marry men that are taller than them, so that physical part maybe, although I wouldn't say they're more...
01:54:58.000And even now, almost half of women are making as much or more or almost the same as the men.
01:55:04.000So when exactly was hypergamy just exploding?
01:55:07.000And other than on dating apps where people are just swiping, when is it actually, what real world evidence do you have of hypergamy actually determining mate selection?
01:56:10.000See, here's the thing is, everybody wants to look at that GSS study.
01:56:13.000They want to look at just what's happened since, like, 2019 to where we are right now, as opposed to the fact that it was from 1989 all the way to 2018, which is the time shift for that entire life.
01:56:26.000No, I mean the 2018 was like the year that all the incels red pullers took that graph because that was actually an anomaly even when you looked at years before and especially when you looked at years after.
01:56:49.000No, because 2018, the 28% of men who reported zero sex, that wasn't in any other year that when that one GSS 2018 study that hasn't been there, and for zero partners, and then every year, even before and after, it's been less, and especially when you look at 25 and up,
01:57:06.000because 18 to 25 have lower, they're doing everything less.
01:57:11.000They're having less sex, they're more likely to be virgins, everything.
01:57:13.000As soon as you go 25 and up, do you know what the rate of virgins for men 25 and over are?
01:59:06.000Aesthetics, teeth, physicality, all these different things come into it.
01:59:11.000It's not just for money, because you're looking at it from a money perspective, but what I am saying is that Women, right, even though they say, oh, I want egalitarian and equal partnership, they don't necessarily, they're not attracted to that.
01:59:23.000I agree with you about dating apps, but dating apps, we've seen time and time again, that data is not reflected into real life.
01:59:28.000This idea that this percent of men is having sex with all these women isn't borne out by the data.
01:59:32.000There seems to be a percentage of sociosexual women, and there seems to be a percentage of promiscuous men, and they seem to be fucking each other.
01:59:38.000That seems to be what's going on with that.
01:59:42.000But that percentage of guys that are promiscuous is a minority of men.
01:59:45.000Yeah, and it's also a minority of women.
01:59:47.000And what I'm saying, it's not just this minority of men that's having sex with all the women.
01:59:50.000There seems to be 10% of women around that are high in sociosexuality.
01:59:54.000They're more likely to have casual sex.
01:59:56.000And those women and the men that are also high in that are kind of sleeping with each other.
02:00:00.000Most people, if you look at all the GSS data from the past few years, over 80% of people are having sex with one person that year.
02:00:06.000They seem to be having sex in relationships.
02:00:07.000Also, when you talk about height, you're right.
02:00:09.000On dating apps, because we have no choice.
02:00:11.000Every time I use them, I go six feet and up too.
02:00:12.000Otherwise, I'm going to get way too many men.
02:00:15.000But when you actually look at what's happening in real life, ResearchGate did a big thing on this, like over 60,000 men, and they looked at BMI, they looked at height, and they...
02:00:31.000The research, at least when it comes to number of sexual partners, lifetime sexual partners, extremely short, and then there was extremely short, short, whatever, and then extremely tall.
02:00:40.000Between extremely short and extremely tall, there was a difference of three.
02:00:48.000And then here's the other thing, too, because I want to tell you, because you're talking about this hypergamy, how is it personified?
02:00:52.000And then, like, again, we talked about this before, like in the 1800s, whatever, that you were talking about before, marrying across social status, etc., Cool.
02:00:59.000But you gotta remember, they were limited to their own geographic area.
02:01:20.000I can't tell you, and hell, you do this as well.
02:01:23.000Women always say, oh, I have so many guys in my DMs.
02:01:25.000I have so many men that approach me, et cetera.
02:01:27.000You are absolutely lying if you're not going to tell me that that does not influence your mating strategies.
02:01:32.000Because when you know that you have a bunch of guys in the pipeline, you can go ahead and afford to be way more picky and way more nitpicky on certain things that aren't that really big.
02:01:42.000But that's why women are so selective nowadays where most guys don't qualify because they have a huge arsenal of men that are willing to date them.
02:01:49.000So what's effectively happened, thanks to technology, is it's actually made hypergamy stronger.
02:01:55.000But what I mean is, why is that then not borne out?
02:01:57.000Because even now, people tend to marry across socioeconomic status, across IQ, even across physical attractiveness.
02:02:03.000So why are we not seeing with the advent of dating apps that now all these Starbucks women are marrying lawyers?
02:02:43.000I didn't say words since it was like...
02:02:45.000They looked at fraternities and they looked at these so-called chads that get all these swipes and they didn't seem, they had like a four point something percent increase in partners.
02:02:52.000It wasn't like Tinder going into these colleges were actually like, yes, I really don't mean to be rude, but can we like allow other people to speak?
02:03:56.000Because women in every culture are less interested in casual sex than men, and these dating apps are for casual sex.
02:04:01.000But the point wasn't whether or not you have sex on there.
02:04:04.000The point was, did you find these other people attractive?
02:04:06.000If the top 20% of men are getting 83% of the right swipes, but the top 43% of women are getting 63% of the right swipes, that means, in general, the distribution for men is equal, and the distribution for women is shifted to the left.
02:04:21.000I understand that, but in real life, that's the thing.
02:04:24.000If I go on a dating app, all I'm going to screen for, because I can only talk to 10 people, are the most attractive, but in real life, I don't give a fuck about that.
02:05:33.000It's similarity attraction hypothesis that people typically, even if they want this, what's happening in real life is people are still kind of falling.
02:05:40.000And then there seems to be a percentage of men and a percentage of women that are higher in social sexuality.
02:05:44.000They're more promiscuous and they seem to be hooking up with each other.
02:05:47.000The majority of people have had one partner.
02:05:49.000I'd be very reluctant to believe studies that deal with female promiscuity and them being honest and forthcoming about it.
02:06:54.000It's losing I disagree with you about the hypergamy thing.
02:07:03.000We can have our own conversation later.
02:07:05.000I'm just saying, anecdotally, I'm confused that you don't see it either if you go out on a regular basis saying six women fighting for the same dude.
02:07:45.000Don't worry, I have it still here written.
02:07:47.000Okay, I just want to say something quickly when it comes to the whole hypergamything and, you know, basically this huge disparity that you guys are claiming.
02:07:55.000I think, like, The fact is that when it comes to, like, similar socioeconomic classes, similar IQ, similar things like that, you can talk about there's less of a social stigma in place now, but how many guys do we know actually are going after single mothers?
02:08:09.000Like, it seems like that's still, like, you know, you can be like, the single mothers now empowered or whatever, but, like, most single mothers are going to have a harder time in the dating market than non-single mothers.
02:08:18.000Yeah, and then I also want to, like, bring up an interesting study that I remember reading that was basically, um, women do select for, um, higher money, higher salary, but men also select for, like, higher education when it comes to women, interestingly enough.
02:08:32.000And I think that goes back to this whole idea that, like...
02:08:37.000No, they select for money too now, actually.
02:08:39.000Okay, but a lot of them also select for higher education.
02:08:42.000And I think when it comes to these highest socioeconomic classes, yeah, you have some men balling out, flying out to Starbucks barista, whatever.
02:08:49.000But I think a lot, especially when it comes to old money, still have these values in place of like, no, you have to have a proper lady from the proper background because you want to raise proper children.
02:08:58.000Okay, then ask yourself, who's their mistress?
02:09:03.000If that's the case, if you honestly, honest to God, think that, why is the marriage rate at 5.1 per 1,000?
02:09:09.000Why aren't guys just lining up around the fucking block to get married right now?
02:09:12.000People give up on each other too fast.
02:09:14.000If it's going to make you happier and healthier and all this great stuff that comes after, we're all selecting for what we just want the best and we're vetting for intelligence and IQ and education level and everything.
02:09:24.000Why is it at the lowest recorded level in history?
02:09:27.000And don't say it's because of the last five years of the red pill.
02:09:29.000I was going to say there was this whole historical, or throughout society, this very strong idea that that's what you have to do.
02:09:41.000And I think a lot of people that were not in financially stable situations, that were in all sorts of different situations, got married when they weren't stable.
02:09:48.000And when, guess what, the opportunity to divorce came up, they took it.
02:10:29.000Well, so you were asking why, and I think our cultural, like, conception towards marriage has changed.
02:10:35.000The narrative around marriage has changed.
02:10:36.000We have one invention that turned the human race upside down, which is...
02:10:40.000Which is we gave the human reproductive process solely over to one sex, unilaterally to one sex, not only with hormonal birth control, but also with free and available abortion.
02:10:52.000Those are the two inventions, really, that happened, by the way, in that same decade right there, that essentially, I've said this before, is that it was more damaging to the human race than the atomic bomb.
02:11:03.000It has changed more about human society than anything else.
02:11:07.000But look at all the things that track between 1965 and 1975.
02:11:15.000We have the no-fault divorce, which of course the conservatives, which I disagree on, say that the problem with society right now is because we have no-fault divorce.
02:11:38.000Because now they're single and they don't have to marry and they don't have to fuck beta males to make sure that they've got the beta buck side of hypergamy settled, which is provisioning protection and parental investment.
02:11:48.000Now I can have sex and I don't have to marry this bum because I don't have to worry about getting pregnant accidentally.
02:11:55.000As soon as women have the ability, and by the way, this is the first time in human history that we have an invention that says you can have sex without having to worry about anything about pregnancy, and only one sex gets to control that.
02:12:09.000I mean, you know, the other thing that kind of in that time frame is women being able to work for themselves and enter the workforce.
02:12:14.000Right, and the reason why they had to is because they were all getting divorced because they needed to support themselves.
02:12:33.000They came back from the factories and women, you see like the second, third wave feminist movement coming in full swing, saying like, hey, we were able to work before.
02:12:41.000We were able to gain some sort of like financial stability.
02:12:43.000In 1968, right as the sexual revolution was in the swing.
02:12:46.000But you're basically attributing this to the sexual revolution.
02:12:49.000What I'm saying is that this is more of like a, I guess, financial revolution more than anything else.
02:13:08.000The push for women's economic freedom happened prior to birth control.
02:13:12.000It seemed like the second that women were able to start bringing finances into the household and started to gain a bigger salary, this was already a motion put in place.
02:13:19.000I can show you stats right now where the GDP or the real income For families, it stays the same, but productivity goes through the fucking roof right around 1971.
02:13:31.000Because we have more women in the workforce, we have no-fault divorce, we have going off the gold standard.
02:13:36.000Oh, and then, by the way, women who weren't allowed to have credit cards up until about 1974, that wasn't as a result of feminism coming in there.
02:13:44.000It was because we didn't have to worry about it anymore because we have fiat currency now.
02:13:48.000So, ladies, you need credit cards because now you're going to be single, you're going to be taking care of kids, and you're going to be divorced.
02:14:50.000We look at Title IX happens right around then.
02:14:53.000If you look at all of those, you can track every single thing that we talk about here when it comes to gynocentrism or when it comes to feminism.
02:14:59.000All those stats, they trace back to one fucking year, and it's 1971.
02:15:04.000Well, so you're saying women, because, I mean, like, Reeves even talks about this, how our wages have gone up and your guys haven't.
02:15:31.000You have more women in law, you have more women in psychology, you have more women in...
02:15:34.000Well, basically, in enrollment, but also far more women graduating because men are tending to drop out because they don't see any point.
02:15:42.000There's no incentive for them to do it anymore.
02:15:44.000Because prior to the sexual revolution, men's means to getting sex was to be a good provider, to have a good job, to have provisioning protection and parental investment.
02:17:21.000So, for instance, a small group of men, and I'm not saying 20% of men are fucking 80% of women, but a small group of men, like say 30% of men, are having sex with like 60-65% of the women.
02:17:31.000No, I don't think that's borne out by the data.
02:17:33.000That's only borne out by Tinder swipes and swiping.
02:17:36.000But when you look at the data, it doesn't seem that's fake.
02:17:38.000Okay, well, let's go from beyond the data.
02:17:41.000Let's look at the enormous amount of men that are addicted to porn.
02:17:43.000Let's look at the enormous amount of men that don't necessarily approach women anymore.
02:21:25.000No, because you went, because before, they cited the 2018 study, and you're saying it's not that high.
02:21:30.000And what I'm telling you is, is that it's definitely damn near close, if not spot on.
02:21:34.000Because when you look at all the other factors and use critical thinking, look at the explosion of dating a concept for men, look at the meteoric rise of Andrew Tate world fucking wide, right?
02:21:45.000Because he's saying things that are very basic, but a lot of guys have not been able to You have to understand, like, literally, like, Andrew, what is his name, Date Psych, whatever his name is, his entire existence comes from trying to go against what people in this space are saying.
02:21:59.000Like, he wouldn't even exist if there wasn't a problem.
02:22:01.000I agree with you, and I'm not disagreeing that there has been, like, oh, I agree with, like, Reeves, right?
02:22:06.000There has been an attacks, quote-unquote, on masculinity.
02:22:08.000Now, I agree with him also that this type of content is not the best solution, but I'm not saying that there isn't a problem.
02:22:14.000But we're also like, oh, look at all these people watching this.
02:22:17.000Well, yeah, it's like being in a hospital and being like, look at all these sick people.
02:22:19.000Yeah, but like, David Buss doesn't go on Joe Rogan.
02:23:01.000All right, so what I really wanted to say was the bottom line is the dating pool is in shambles right now, and I feel as though women are trying to be men.
02:24:54.000Well, it's the thing, women acting on emotion, it's just like two sides of the same coin.
02:24:58.000The egalitarian, because you're more progressive, the egalitarian nature of what's happened in the last couple years, you're like, that's worth it.
02:25:05.000It's worth it to have a lower fertility rate.
02:25:07.000It's worth it to have fewer people getting married.
02:25:49.000I would also say there are religious, cultural reasons for that.
02:25:53.000We're becoming less religious as a society.
02:25:55.000We're culturally becoming more religious.
02:25:56.000I don't think it has anything to do with that.
02:25:57.000I think it has to do with the machine itself.
02:26:00.000One other thing, too, because you were saying that women just have the ability to leave shitty relationships.
02:26:06.000What I would say, because we've got to define what a shitty relationship is, for most women, that's going 50-50.
02:26:11.000Which is what you prescribe, which is what you want.
02:26:15.000But most women don't want that, is what I'm trying to say.
02:26:16.000I don't think, what I'm saying is that women who are divorcing men, I don't think they're doing it, which is why college educated women are less likely to do it, to get into that situation in the first place.
02:26:27.000A lot of women are with men because they provide for them financially.
02:26:30.000And the women who aren't with them for any other reason, like they actually love them, when they get that financial incentive, they're more likely to leave a man that they don't love.
02:26:38.000But if you love somebody, you don't just get divorced because you made money.
02:26:41.000Which again, Grace, back to the point we were making earlier.
02:26:44.000Like, she does have validity in what she's saying and the point that she's talking about the average everyday guy.
02:26:48.000And the whole premise of this podcast is teaching men how to become high-value men.
02:27:47.000You're facts and figures off of people who can afford to get married to condense their finances who aren't at risk for financial ruin because of any sort of medical issue or anything like that.
02:28:53.000Just to bring it back to the prefrontal cortex thing.
02:28:56.000Yes, at 25, your prefrontal cortex is developed, but that doesn't mean that...
02:29:00.000You've done the things like you've been healthy enough for it to be fully developed properly and if it's not properly developed you're actually not good at making decisions and it's actually more teens are drinking more drugs sex and when you introduce that stuff at a younger age you're not going to have a fully developed prefrontal cortex.
02:29:19.000No, that means that at an earlier age, you need to not be pressured by outside world because I think that the reason why people do drugs, alcohol, and that kind of sex is because they think it's cool.
02:29:31.000I've never been drunk in my life, so I agree with you.
02:29:55.000Since the advent of fucking antibiotics and nuclear warfare, we've been an evolutionary mismatch.
02:30:00.000The only thing you can really do is identify the problem and adapt off of the identified problem.
02:30:04.000And what I would say here, controversial take, I think feminism is a big part of the problem for a lot of things.
02:30:09.000I think there's a strong argument that inflation is directly tied to feminism, and the reason for that is because you used to be able to sustain a family on one income when men work.
02:30:17.000Then once women enter the workforce, you effectively double the workforce.
02:30:20.000Employers can now pay half as much as they did before because now they have twice as many employees.
02:30:26.000Well, as Ray said on your show, we've also brought in trillions of dollars to the economy since the 1970s just because women entered the workforce.
02:30:54.000That's one of the few components that they dominate that's helpful for society, but in general, men run all the jobs that keep society going.
02:31:02.000So lawyers are almost 50-50, doctors are almost 50-50 now.
02:31:51.000But in general, still, but even practicing attorneys, it's almost 50-50.
02:31:55.000And so those women, or even doctors, are getting really close to 50-50.
02:31:58.000Practicing physicians, you're saying those women...
02:32:01.000The population isn't a doctor or a lawyer, though.
02:32:03.000I understand, but he was saying that women are doing jobs that don't contribute, and I'm saying that some of these top professions that are doing a lot of contributing are almost half women.
02:33:58.000But when you look at everything, dude, guys are absolutely struggling with women.
02:34:02.000From everything I've seen, the majority of men are invisible to women.
02:34:06.000The vast majority of men are invisible to women.
02:34:09.000It's just one of these things where I just see tons of evidence to show this.
02:34:13.000And whenever I hear Scott Galloway talk about it, or if I hear Chris Williamson talk about it, or if I hear Richard Reeves talk about it, And I understand that there's some study that shows, well, this guy at 25 had one sexual partner.
02:34:23.000That doesn't quite, like, quell the problem.
02:34:25.000So I agree that men are, you have to define struggling.
02:34:28.000If you're defining struggling as they're not having as much sexual success, like I say, it's 100% of men that are struggling.
02:35:57.000Sartain and Rollo, holy shit, look at the standard deviation of the body count of both cohorts, LMAO. The data says, wow, I think it was statistically significant too.
02:36:06.000Yeah, this had to do, there was one study where it was like the top 5% of men, it had 150 sexual partners, the top 5% of women, it was like 35.
02:36:13.000So I think that's what he's referring to there.
02:36:15.000These girls have been ran through more times than the yellow light ladies.
02:36:17.000These days expect to be treated like a queen, but have been taking more loads than a washing machine.
02:36:35.000Why is it that when women hit their growth spurt first, that we are taught that women mature earlier than men, obviously, for relationships, but when they become old CVM dumpster, Twinkie whores, they argue that women are not fully developed yet.
02:38:06.000I was really curious what you guys think about men doing porn and OnlyFans versus women, because obviously you have your opinion about women doing it.
02:38:13.000So her boyfriend, for example, who is...
02:38:17.000How do you think that influences the relationship between a man and a woman versus the opposite, where the woman is the one who's doing it?
02:38:41.000Again, the data would show that women are far less interested in a man's body count than the other way around.
02:38:47.000This is a 37 culture study that they show that pretty much exclusively.
02:38:51.000Also, women are far more interested in a man's ability to acquire resources.
02:38:56.000About 100% more than the other way around.
02:38:59.000But aren't men now more likely to, I think even bust in like 2021, Corinne Lowe, the one that Richard Reeves mentioned, that men now are rating women as more attractive when they make more money than in the past.
02:39:10.000I think if I had two to pick from and one of them was a millionaire, I could see that.
02:39:14.000I could see it as a tiebreaker, but I don't know.
02:39:20.000My girlfriend was broke when I met her.
02:39:21.000I could not have cared less how tall she was or how much money she made.
02:39:25.000Yeah, so like the studies where they bring like two million people and they put pictures and then even for men and women and they put different incomes.
02:39:34.000I'm talking about the Corinne Lowe one, the economist one, who took two million, I think, dating app users or whatever, and they put a picture of me, and then they put how much money I make, whatever.
02:39:42.000And when I made more money, I was rated as more attractive by men.
02:39:45.000I think there's no way you wouldn't be rated more attractive by men if it's the same physical form and we have two people to choose from.
02:39:53.000I'm more attractive, I make more money.
02:40:08.000The one Gadsad referred to when he was on Joe Rogan where he talks about they showed a man in three different outfits and the bottom one being McDonald's and then they did a woman in three different outfits and the bottom one being McDonald's and none of the women said that they would date the guy in the McDonald's outfit and then the man who had the Rolex and looked like very wealthy many of the women said I would consider going out with him but there was no difference in the three photos for women.
02:40:31.000So you're right that still men care less, but I'm saying that we're seeing as time goes on, men are caring more and more than they did in the past.
02:40:39.000Could it be because they're all poor now?
02:41:25.000Everything, like, finances is like a distant, like, seventh place.
02:41:29.000But it's becoming more and more, like, men, this idea that men don't care, men are finding women more attractive when they make more money.
02:41:36.000Yeah, and that should be raising the marriage rate, but it fucking isn't, so...
02:42:13.000Porn stars, like, former porn stars, they'll, like, go into the business, make a shit ton of money, and then, like, try to, like, turn it around, and, like, try to leave it in the dust, and it's, like, but you still...
02:43:31.000And there's the exception to the rule, you know, but at the end of the day, like everything you're saying right now may be factual based on what you've been through, but that does not necessarily...
02:43:40.000I didn't speak about my anecdotal experience.
02:43:44.000But would you agree that stats are lagging and also something like social media is such an exponential factor and something that is growing at such a rapid rate that this could be the end-all and be-all that are literally breaking or making stats in the next couple of years?
02:43:57.000Sure, so like Myron speculated we're gonna see this actually, because all I'm saying is right now it's not making these real-world effects.
02:44:23.000If all the things you guys say, that if men and women are doing these more traditional things and that men are dating all these 19-year-olds that are virgins that aren't educated, that all of a sudden that's going to be really great.
02:44:32.000A lot of the stuff you guys say, like if all of that starts to actually play out in the data, if we're seeing this great increase in hypergamy where all of a sudden people aren't marrying people at the same...
02:44:41.000I never said don't get girls that aren't educated.
02:45:07.000Maternal education is one of the greatest factors in childhood development.
02:45:11.000But not in IQ. It doesn't develop IQ. Right?
02:45:13.000I agree, but for instance, it depends what level of education.
02:45:19.000I scored in the top 2% on the LSAT. I've never taken an IQ test, but IQ is highly careable.
02:45:24.000And even if we're just looking at maternal education, children born to parents that are mothers that are educated score way higher proficiency in math, science, etc.
02:45:32.000Because they have higher IQ. It's not the other way around.
02:45:34.000It's not like my Harvard degree didn't make my children smarter.
02:45:49.000And the thing is, our ability to be attracted to a certain thing is not our choice because attraction isn't a choice.
02:45:56.000Because our attraction mechanisms are based in 178 million years of mammalian evolution, 3 million years of hominid evolution, and 200,000 years of homo sapien evolution.
02:46:04.000I get it, but my point is that if you're doing a show where you're giving advice to men, I think good advice would be find a woman who's smart and is college educated because it's going to be better for your kids.
02:46:13.000If you're just going to say you like what you like, then what the fuck is the point of the show?
02:46:16.000The point of the show is we're giving men advice on who makes a good partner, what to look for, self-improvement, etc.
02:46:29.000You're dismissing, and I've noticed this, you're dismissing an enormous amount of what we talk on this podcast and you're generalizing things that aren't necessarily even true.
02:46:50.000Yeah, what I wanted to say before is that there are studies that do showcase that men do care a certain level about education because of that exact reason.
02:46:58.000Because you can talk about mammalian evolution, and yeah, a lot of it is not just being able to produce, but making sure that your kids can thrive and survive.
02:47:06.000Because, you know, if your kid basically reproduces and dies in two seconds.
02:47:38.000I was gonna say that just because, like, you don't necessarily, like, know it consciously doesn't mean that there aren't, like, subconscious factors that influence it, right?
02:47:45.000So, for example, like, let's say virality, like, a person being able to be, like, sexually active to begin with.
02:47:50.000It might not be, like, a factor that, like, we are able to see at first hand, but then, like, Throughout interactions or whatever, you're able to gain more of a consciousness for it.
02:47:59.000And I guess what I'm trying to say overall is that yes, education matters.
02:48:03.000I think being able to talk to someone is the way that intelligence shows.
02:48:09.000And then on top of that, I think the way that human society has been evolving, it's been evolving to not just have many children, but to have maybe fewer children, but children that thrive, children that are doing better, children that are not, like, dying in the fields, children that are actually, like, able to gain,
02:50:38.000We just displayed this earlier with you talking about it and then you as well.
02:50:41.000A man's sexual past has almost zero influence on his attractive level.
02:50:45.000As a matter of fact, I would argue the more women he's had sex with, the more attractive he Yes, I wanted to say more so touching on the education of women.
02:51:06.000From what I remember, respectfully speaking, in history, just as an example, like in textbooks, you read that the husband is out working and doing what he has to do while the woman stays home and is watching the kids or doing whatever.
02:51:20.000I feel as though having an education is probably a plus, but it's not a deal breaker.
02:51:24.000So that's where, in my opinion, like women don't have to have a career or education.
02:51:30.000Like if you find someone and you're lucky enough to be taken care of, then you don't have to do what the men are Right.
02:51:36.000The surveys that show with working women, 83% of them say that they would whether have spent more time in the home raising a child than working.
02:52:26.000The idea is, they show this amongst several vertebrates, where if you take, especially amongst homo sapiens, other primates too, even rats, when you put women around the male, other women find that male to be attracted.
02:53:18.000The term is called mate choice copying.
02:53:19.000Anyway, the point is, if mate choice copying exists, then that must mean, inherently, there is a group of men that get more women than other men.
02:53:34.000If a guy sees a girl and she's hot and her Instagram is private and she has 100 followers but she's hot, that has absolutely zero influence on his attraction to her.
02:53:43.000As a matter of fact, it'll probably go up because she's not around as many men.
02:53:46.000Men don't care about social proof and other guys liking her.
02:53:51.000If a girl's attractive, he's gonna talk to her.
02:53:52.000It doesn't matter if she's a weirdo, if she's a social outcast, her status doesn't matter.
02:53:57.000But on the other hand, if a woman Right?
02:54:29.000I can say from my OnlyFans, the more popular I get, the more other men want to subscribe to my OnlyFans because other men are subscribing to my OnlyFans.
02:55:10.000Because like a male lawyer, for instance, he is going to be more attracted and he's going to be more likely to end up and we can use doctors.
02:55:17.000You guys don't like when I use lawyers.
02:55:18.000So doctors are more likely they marry, tend to marry other female doctors.
02:55:46.000And a lot of times in these, so a lot of lawyers, for instance, do this.
02:55:48.000That proves my point, Jasmine, that social status absolutely matters.
02:55:52.000No, this is typically what happens in, like, my field, is two people, both of them are lawyers, they get married, and then the woman lawyer stays home with the kids.
02:56:02.000But if you want to marry a lawyer, for instance, the best thing you could do as a woman is not be hot on Instagram and work as CVS or be a virgin.
02:56:09.000It is to be at similar social status to the guy.
02:56:13.000I'm just She has the luxury of being able to leave that job, lose that status, and still be in a relationship.
02:57:54.000This is men dunking on other men in order to say, I have taken your status.
02:57:58.000When women get cheated on, it doesn't matter.
02:58:00.000If I heard a woman got cheated on, I'm not going to be like, man, I am less likely to have sex with this incredibly beautiful woman because she got cheated on.
02:58:06.000When men get cheated on, if they're repeatedly cheated on, like dudes are like behind their back, like what the fuck happened to this?
02:58:12.000Women, if a guy's been cheated on three times in a row, it's like, does he have a micropenis?
02:58:15.000Like they start going into these, like, that's the thing.
02:58:17.000When men get cheated on, When women get cheated on, they lose massive amounts of status.
02:58:20.000When women get cheated on, they do not.
02:58:21.000And the same thing, what I said before with attraction, mate choice copying only works in one direction.
02:58:25.000And so if it works in one direction, what that means is there's this attraction queue that a few group of men, a small group of men have where they're surrounded by women or they have more women.
02:58:34.000And because of that, again, ladies, you're offered infinite dick and you're still trying to steal each other's man.
02:58:43.000And because of that, there's only one way that can exist.
02:58:45.000And that is if a few men have sex with a lot of women and a large group of men have sex with very few.
02:58:52.000I'm very, very, very, very skeptical of the claim that when it comes to consumer behavior, and you know, the way that we basically act in day-to-day life, it applies to everything but mate selection.
02:59:28.000Women are the ones that follow everything because women need social proof.
02:59:31.000No, but I mean, like, when we just look at, like, one-on-one, like, studies or, like, data just, like, looking at, like, individual behavior, like, consumption-based, yeah, people in general, like, this is a whole basis of, like, supply and demand or, like, of, like, price shifting.
02:59:44.000It's like, okay, the more valuable something is seen, the higher price it has.
02:59:48.000So I think the same would apply for women.
02:59:50.000The more men want this woman that they can't obtain, let's say, the more valuable the woman seems.
02:59:55.000But you're missing the point that it's not required.
03:00:10.000But for a man, let's say he has, like, not attractive, he's fat, whatever, but he has a lot of social status, he can absolutely pull women.
03:00:17.000So what I'm saying is that social status...
03:01:01.000Just take all of our words for it, and if any guy here disagrees with me, we don't find women more attractive because more men find them attractive.
03:01:09.000We find them attractive because of facial symmetry, signs of youth, and it's a waste ratio.
03:01:14.000Jasmine's making an argument like, oh, well, you know, they acquired the status of lawyer and then they get the guy because of the status of lawyer.
03:01:30.000I don't think, like, if a lawyer couple, I have a lot of lawyer couple friends, and if a guy lost his job, I don't think, like, my female friend would be like, okay, bye!
03:01:38.000My own example, they have the luxury to do what?
03:01:41.000Leave the lawyer position, lose that status, okay, because even though they're a lawyer, blah, blah, blah, no one's gonna respect them as a lawyer, let's keep it a thousand.
03:01:48.000They have the luxury to leave and go home and be a homemaker, and they don't have to maintain that status.
03:02:23.000But they're married to people of similar socioeconomic class.
03:02:26.000When we keep going to that, most people live in a group of people that are in the same socioeconomic level as them.
03:02:32.000And the middle class is called the middle class because it's in the one middle standard deviation, which is 68.27% of people.
03:02:38.000So when you say most people marry people, it's like if he and I are friends and we happen to be within a couple inches of each other, it's because most human beings are within a couple inches of each other.
03:02:47.000I just don't think that necessarily makes this...
03:03:17.000Women are going to have more opportunity than men always.
03:03:19.000But what I'm saying is that if the woman was the one in that money position, that status position, she's not dating a regular guy.
03:03:25.000And so in professors, you're seeing this a lot now where a lot of men are staying home and they're staying home and the woman continues to be a professor.
03:03:31.000But they're also progressively, exceptionally progressively liberal.
03:03:47.000These super liberal women that are with these super liberal guys, those guys are fucking pussies and not able to arouse them.
03:03:52.000So what ends up happening is they do weird things on the side, whether it's an open relationship and they're fucking other guys, they're doing pornography, whatever it may be.
03:04:00.000Something is dysfunctional in the relationship.
03:04:24.000I would want to see, and maybe we can search this up for that next time, like studies specifically, because to my understanding, the vast majority of people in the United States are monogamous.
03:04:32.000They're not interested in open relationships.
03:06:58.000They'd argue, but without the man's perspective.
03:07:03.000So the whole point of the argument is that they don't understand our side of the equation.
03:07:11.000So I wanted to touch base on basically like when you guys were saying that the man is not more attracted to a woman when more men want her.
03:07:18.000I have an anecdotal experience for that.
03:07:22.000Me and my man have been in a relationship for five years.
03:07:25.000I have had, and I'm not saying this to to my own horn, but I have had people in my DMs.
03:07:28.000I've had people approach me in person.
03:07:30.000Not while he's there, but I show him or tell him about it.
03:07:34.000And it's almost like, not that he doesn't care, but he's not super worried about it because of the simple fact that it doesn't bother him that other people are attracted to me or want me or whatever the case is.
03:07:44.000You're discussing the concept of jealousy.
03:07:46.000I'm agreeing with you guys, and I'm saying that with that being said, What more so is important to him is, like, personality, how you act, how you are as a woman, not how you, like, look or social status.
03:07:58.000I don't mean to, like, spoil the magic here.
03:08:54.000I'm not saying the rest of it isn't awesome.
03:08:56.000I would love to see a woman I'm incredibly physically attracted to and then figure out she's super maternal and highly intelligent and we can have kids together.
03:09:02.000But I'm not gonna fuck her if she's not physically attractive.
03:09:12.000Men don't want a combative, argumentative, you know, women that is, just like I said, argumentative, combative, whatever.
03:09:19.000So I'm not gonna lie, like, I can be, like, or I was that way at some point, like, just, you know, where I grew up, my family learned behavior, I can just say that.
03:09:57.000You're going to keep your man that way.
03:09:59.000And I'm saying as an experience for me, I'm going through it right now because there's a lot of things that I need to improve on that I'm not all the way there.
03:10:07.000In the beginning, most of it is physical attraction.
03:10:37.000I think the most important thing is, more than likely is, he would like you the same whether men hit on you or didn't.
03:10:47.000It doesn't influence his attraction for you like that.
03:10:49.000Might make him appreciate you more or whatever, but men don't have the same need to constantly have their social proof of their woman tested.
03:10:59.000It doesn't make him a nevermind whether somebody is attracted to you or not.
03:11:03.000And again, this is anecdotal, but again, you're never going to be able to get this from asking people because this study would never get passed.
03:11:07.000But every famous guy that I know, all my guys that have influence, all my guys that are successful, etc., they all want their girl to be low-key.
03:11:14.000They like it when they bring their girl to a party and no one knows who the fuck she is.
03:12:41.000I actually think that it is more likely to repulse a guy if you continue to tell him how much interest you're getting because why are you even...
03:13:10.000That's why proximity is also a big thing.
03:13:12.000But I'm saying with the onset of dating apps and all this opportunity, we're still seeing that lawyers typically...
03:13:17.000Yeah, but even with that point, I also think that that brings back the point of women can be a little delusional about their sexual marketplace value because even though we have more options, that doesn't mean that those options are real ones.
03:13:29.000And so your real options are determined by people that are in your status level generally, in your IQ. Now, men are more likely to go down on some of those, but in general, your options are still, at least for long-term mate prospects, marriage, still reflect where you are.
03:13:47.000But my point is that you saying that most lawyers marry other lawyers isn't representative of the fact that men want to date women of the same status.
03:14:42.000And then, go ahead Jasmine, what's your response to that?
03:14:44.000My response to that is exactly, you tend to be around.
03:14:47.000I would say this, if you have a specific type of woman or type of man you want to marry, surround your social circle and surround, like if you want one of these virgin good women, go to church, go to mosque, go be around these people because that is how you're going to find...
03:15:00.000I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
03:15:03.000But then you can make the argument that it's not status why they got with the woman, it was proximity.
03:15:11.000Proximity is a big thing, but generally people tend to want people that are somewhat of their ego.
03:15:16.000But they're more likely to marry the lawyer than the paralegal who's around them all the time too.
03:15:27.000Okay, again, like the real reality is that it's proximity, not necessarily status.
03:15:34.000Because like I said before, based on what I said, if that woman decided to leave and lose her lawyer status, because when she leaves, she's going to lose that lawyer status.
03:15:45.000But what I'm trying to say is, for instance, a personal office, he's more likely to marry that receptionist than a random person that's not around him, but he's going to be still more likely to marry that lawyer than the receptionist.
03:15:59.000My point is proximity matters, but even if there's proximity, men will still lawyers instead of they're more likely to be with the other lawyer than the other receptionist.
03:17:34.000You're trying to make the argument that status matters for men and I'm trying to tell you, it really doesn't matter that much.
03:17:39.000The proximity thing is, the reason why the proximity thing is happening is because of the proximity, meaning they're marrying a cross because that's who they're near.
03:18:25.000That's why when I first came on, I said one of the biggest predictors is proximity.
03:18:28.000But even in proximity, when there's a hierarchy, you still see that men, even though they're more likely to go down in a firm hierarchy, they still prefer the women.
03:18:37.000Like, even if you look at IQ, I mean, Tai Lopez said this last time, men don't...
03:18:41.000High IQ men can go like one standard deviation.
03:18:44.000They don't start going super lower IQ. One standard deviation is pretty high.
03:18:47.000That's an 85 IQ. Let's put it this way.
03:18:49.000If you have a woman, you have the woman's same attractiveness, whatever...
03:18:53.000One is a CVS worker and the other one's a lawyer.
03:18:56.000Which one do you think is the guy more likely?
03:18:58.000If they're the same attractiveness, of course, but you're talking...
03:18:59.000What you're saying is a 1% tiebreaker.
03:19:02.000If the CVS worker looks like my girlfriend and the lawyer doesn't, then I'm just telling you they're going to choose the other girl.
03:19:07.000The point that I'm trying to get across is that if you just look at one by one, then yeah, we can clearly see that, hey, if it comes to a profession, same socioeconomic status level, that is something that matters.
03:19:19.000We can't pretend it doesn't matter whatsoever.
03:20:16.000What I'm trying to say here is that usually if a guy is looking to have like a long-term prospect and partner, maybe they have like a mid to average girl, but she's like really smart and she's really nurturing and she has a good temperament.
03:20:28.000Well, yeah, it does matter because if you're going to have a wife, why would you want like a fucking...
03:20:32.000He asked a very simple question and you can't answer it.
03:20:35.000He asked you a very, very simple question and you can't answer it.
03:20:38.000I think what we're going to debate is I'm saying that all those other things besides looks are maybe 10-15% of it and you're saying they're 33%.
03:20:52.000And again, there's no evolutionary psychology study that doesn't say that men obviously care more about physical attractiveness than women do.
03:23:04.000Because the tangents go for like 30 minutes.
03:23:06.000I have been spiraling around a little bit because I agree with you guys, but it's just like with all the stats and stuff, I'm not very familiar with that stuff.
03:23:16.000I would like to ask this question in a different way.
03:24:37.000I'm not trying to be rude, but I was under the impression, because me and Pixie have been on before, we just know more about this, that it would be kind of a discussion between not...
03:24:45.000Yeah, that's what I was supposed to be.
03:30:59.000I hijacked the show the first time, but this time I was coming here under the pretenses that I wouldn't be sharing a panel with, like, No, no, no, no.
03:31:28.000I was just saying that before the show we were told that there was going to be like us and then they were going to switch out them for the debate.
03:31:35.000So I was just under the impression of that.
03:31:37.000Yeah, I think there was like a last minute switch.
03:31:40.000I made it happen because I know you niggas want titties and annoyance.
03:31:54.000Originally that was a plan because I already knew that these two were gonna just argue to argue.
03:34:45.000You'd be sitting there fucking a donut with a fuck your feet for $100 on OF? Are you kidding me?
03:34:51.000Do you know how many penis things he had to do to get $100 on OF? He had to send all these photos to gay man and shit to get a hundred dollars on OnlyFans.
03:37:16.000I mean, we're pretty good at advocating for our clients, but I'm actually genuinely, which is why I try not to use a lot of super anecdotal stuff until it gets there.
03:37:22.000I'm just looking at the data, which is why I think this was going to...
03:37:25.000I thought it was going to be a good debate, because I feel like someone like Michael is pretty well-versed on that, and I'm sorry we took over the show.
03:38:22.000And if this show is talking about facts over feelings, I'm just trying to come with the facts.
03:38:27.000Facts without a foundation is still just facts.
03:38:31.000And you gotta also understand that a lot of things that we talk about are taboo and they're not necessarily gonna run studies on some of the things that we talk about.
03:38:36.000They're not gonna run a study like, okay, how many of you motherfuckers are red pill aware in getting divorced from your wife?
03:39:28.000I don't know what the bigger difference between men who are marrying or dating women in their age and younger, unless you're going to argue, which maybe you will, and that's okay, that the men who are marrying younger women are more likely to be simpy or not have those traits.
03:42:35.000Oh, I was just going to ask if there's any way I could help virtually because I don't live in Miami, but to help with research or anything like that.
03:42:43.000The other thing I was going to say, I actually think the best way to get information on what the men that we desire want is asking the men that we desire.
03:43:05.000Real quick, I do just want to say, I agree with a lot of the stuff you guys say, but I've had debates with Pixia until 4am where there's no cameras on, nothing.
03:43:14.000She's always like this, even when there's no cameras on.
03:44:37.000Yeah, so I actually, I really appreciate you guys actually engaging with my ideas and my comments and trying to have a little bit of a higher IQ conversation, trying to tone down the ad hominem attacks.
03:44:47.000I think that's how critical thinking skills can develop.
03:44:55.000So, you say you're Muslim and you're not practicing, and you're Christian and you're not practicing.
03:44:59.000My question is just to compare you guys to like the Tradcon, like the Daily Wire people.
03:45:04.000If you still believe, even if you're not practicing, that the books you guys follow are the scripture, the doctrine, why do you preach against it when it comes to male sexuality?
03:45:13.000I guess my question is what do you know that you think God got wrong, your gods got wrong, Because it's one thing to say I'm not practicing if you're Muslim and say, oh, I'm not practicing, I eat pork.
03:45:21.000It's another thing to come on a show and say, oh, you can eat pork if you're high value enough or if you worked hard to get the pork.
03:45:27.000Like, you're actively preaching against it.
03:45:30.000Which is the Christian religious thing and the Muslim religious thing that you think that they're preaching against?
03:45:34.000Because premarital sex for men, too, or sex outside of marriage is wrong for men, according to their religion.
03:45:39.000Now, they can say they're not practicing it, but why are they preaching against their God?
03:45:44.000I just wonder if there's cognitive dissonance there, because I'm just comparing you guys to the Daily Wire people, who at least seems like their values align with their faith.
03:45:52.000While you can say you're not practicing, I wonder what you guys found in society, the God that you believe in, if you believe in the Quran and you believe in the Bible.
03:46:01.000Actually, so I think probably the issue, like, you know, I like Steven Crowder, but Steven Crowder got married to a woman, did not sign a prenup, and then ended up in a bad situation.
03:46:12.000It's just like, there's a point at which, for men, there's a bit of naivete with having zero sexual, sexual experience seems to be much more valuable for men than women.
03:46:33.000You're supposed to only now in Islam, you can have four wives, but you're not supposed to go to the club and fuck the hoes.
03:46:38.000I'm wondering if you guys have any, what you guys feel about your faith, where you feel so comfortable preaching against the faiths that you purport to believe in.
03:46:58.000I mean, I can admit that there's a truth, and there's one truth, but at the same time, I can also understand that, like, I live in the real world, and in the real world, there's real issues that come up.
03:47:06.000So the Bible doesn't apply to the world anymore?
03:47:33.000And, unfortunately, being a traditional man and playing by that set of rules is not going to serve you with modern women who are not playing by those rules.
03:47:40.000So you think Muslims shouldn't be following the Quran, they should be following...
03:47:45.000In order for you to be in a relationship in 2020, especially since you can marry outside of your religion, right?
03:47:53.000As a man, unfortunately, you need to understand how women operate, right?
03:47:56.000You can go to another place where women tend to have a different belief system, but in general, women have changed significantly, and if you don't know what you're doing, you're putting yourself in a compromising situation, because when you get married as a man, you're the one that takes all the risk, not the women.
03:48:09.000I mean, if that's your answer, I don't want to go back and forth with it.
03:48:11.000But I would say like a Ben Shapiro, he's an Orthodox Jew.
03:48:54.000Just from dealing with modern women, but everything else is correct.
03:48:57.000I think Islam solves a lot of the world's problems.
03:48:59.000Okay, so Islam solves the world's problems, but not the part about restrictions on male sexuality.
03:49:04.000I think for you to be able to date capital women, right, as women that aren't non-believers, etc., and be able to be in a position of advantage where you're able to understand and deal with them, you're going to have to have sexual experience, unfortunately.
03:49:16.000Okay, so God just didn't predict this.
03:49:20.000Well, I'm saying that if the Quran, as far as, I mean, I'm Middle Eastern too, it's supposed to be the book you're supposed to follow forever, not just until things change.
03:49:47.000But I would just push back on, okay, if this is still what God said, that men are better, it's better, it's good to restrict your sexual promiscuity, then why do you tell men that if they work hard enough that they can disobey God?
03:50:50.000I'm saying if you want to be religious like that and you want to follow the dean 100%, you need to leave the United States and find a woman that also follows that dean that's going to play by the same set of rules that you do.
03:50:59.000But if you're going to go ahead and get with a westernized woman that thinks that having sex all throughout her 20s and living life, whatever...
03:51:09.000You're going to try to find a wife in there.
03:51:10.000You're going to try to, you know, get a relationship there.
03:51:12.000You need to know what the hell you're getting into.
03:51:13.000I agree, but there's a reason that even imam, sheikhs, whatever, they're not telling Western men that now you don't have to follow it because you're in a different place.
03:51:37.000I'm just telling guys, I'm taking my own personal religious bias aside and telling guys, this is the best way to operate in 2023, objectively speaking.
03:51:58.000No, because I'm going to give the best advice to men to succeed outside of my personal beliefs, my personal mindset, etc.
03:52:07.000But so you, if you still believe this, I'm just asking, do you believe that God objective, like if you believe in objective morality and it comes from God, that it's wrong, because God says it's wrong for men, high value men, to sleep with a bunch of women.
03:52:20.000Shouldn't they still have sex within the boundaries of their marriages?
03:52:23.000I'd rather them ask for forgiveness after they find their wife and they're not getting destroyed and they learn the prerequisite skill set than them ask for forgiveness from a fucking judge for making the bad decision.
03:53:06.000You can, but I wouldn't say that if you're having a show where you're telling men, oh, this is the best way to eat the most pork, you're being, like, you're in alignment with you.
03:54:49.000It's not the best, but also you can discipline your parents for marrying outside of your religion, for being gay, for whatever.
03:54:53.000I don't think we should live to please our parents.
03:54:56.000Now, I'm lucky that my parents love me a lot and I still have a good relationship, although they're very, very unhappy with my decision, but I live a life that's conducive to my happiness.
03:55:05.000Now, my parents being upset about it, I don't think I should change my entire life in order to appease my parents.
03:57:25.000I have taken a lot of advice from you guys as well as far as how to behave as a woman and opening my eyes to certain flaws that I had and trying to become a better woman.
03:57:35.000With all that being said, I had a great time today.
03:58:01.000I've seen you guys on my clips before, and just like meeting you in person, I mean, at least having this conversation was kind of like, just different, seeing you guys in your realm.
03:58:11.000You both see the worst that's possible of us talking shit.
03:58:14.000I just see clips, like, I go through my shorts sometimes, and I've seen clips of you guys, so.
04:01:58.000Test it, of course, but if I had to choose one for the argument's sake, I'd choose her.
04:02:03.000I wouldn't date either seriously, but here's the thing.
04:02:05.000The girl with the only fans would automatically be disqualified from something serious, and then the girl that has a lot of bodies, I would find out eventually, because girls that are whores have certain characteristics that are...
04:03:02.000Women don't understand that, like, the reason why guys don't want to commit to hoes a lot of times, besides the fact that they'll cheat on them and might have a kid with someone else, is that their reputation gets absolutely destroyed.
04:03:12.000Like, if you wife up a whore, you will be the laughing stock.
04:03:16.000It doesn't matter how much money, how much status you have, it will always come back to haunt you.
04:03:20.000That's why I tell girls, if you're going to do OL, if you're going to do sex work, etc., be prepared to have to settle with a guy that might not be your first choice.
04:03:59.000Girls that are hoes have indistinguishable character traits that you just can identify if you're a guy and you've been around enough women, you will be able to tell girls that are promiscuous, just off behaviors.
04:04:12.000The thing you have to consider is that a high-value man, it's like wins against replacement in sports.
04:05:15.000The whole point is, yes, I take the girl who had the OF stuff, Very, very immediately, I'd say, look, get rid of this shit.
04:05:23.000Also, I would take personal screenshots of fucking everything that was on there so it couldn't be used against me later on as, like, a gotcha moment.
04:05:50.000We get that you need the money, but still.
04:05:51.000But also, also, the opposite choice, right, which is a girl who's a slut, who's had a lot of partners, look at Dylan Dennis and Logan Paul.
04:06:16.000Eventually, that past is going to be exposed on the internet.
04:06:25.000So I might as well pick the girl who, assuming her data is correct, which is a hypothetical scenario, but assuming what she says is correct.
04:06:36.000Okay, well, the girl's had a couple of bodies.
04:07:33.000It can't just be that we just disagree, because there were several times where it was like Rollo was saying something, and you were saying something, and the result was the same, but it was good in your eyes because of an egalitarian mean, and it was bad in his eyes because we didn't have a traditional family.
04:07:47.000But we were saying the same thing, right?
04:07:49.000And so I think that that standard that we have of morality kind of determines how we see these different things.
04:07:54.000The problem is when we start pushing things in one direction or another the way we want them to be, right?
04:08:00.000Anyway, I don't want to go too far into all the statistics, but I do appreciate you two.
04:08:03.000I would love for you two to come to Las Vegas, or just get on Rolo's Sunday show.
04:08:09.000You could just have four hours, just go at it, stats after stats, but just tell him what you want to talk about before so he can do some research.
04:08:15.000Nobody's going to do more research than Rolo.
04:08:16.000He's the only person who reads as much as me, so that's why I think people don't give him enough credit for that.