Fresh & Fit - RP Avengers Return!

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:05:57.000 What's up, guys?

00:05:58.000 It's your man, Donovan Sharpe, and welcome to a special Fresh and Fit.

00:06:02.000 I don't know what day it is, to be quite honest with you, but I'm coming to you guys live from the beautiful state of North Carolina.

00:06:10.000 I'm actually dealing with some family stuff, some very important family stuff.

00:06:13.000 If you hear a baby crying in the background, I promise you that's not mine.

00:06:17.000 That's my sister-in-law's.

00:06:18.000 She's got a 13-month-old that she's trying to wrangle.

00:06:21.000 Please do not adjust your television sets.

00:06:23.000 This is a very important episode tonight, guys.

00:06:26.000 And we're going to go all the way back to the beginning, but I want to give you guys sort of the overarching message of why we're all here.

00:06:33.000 We all know that the Red Pill, the Manosphere, etc., etc., we've taken a lot of slings and arrows over the years.

00:06:40.000 It appears that our reputation has been greatly, greatly sullied.

00:06:44.000 And I think what we want to do here tonight is to let you guys know that, hey, we are still here for you.

00:06:48.000 The mission remains the same.

00:06:49.000 Yes, we are all human. 1.00

00:06:50.000 Yes, we step in shit every once in a while. 0.99

00:06:52.000 You know, we have lives outside of this business like everybody else does. 0.98

00:06:55.000 But we just want to let you guys know that the Manosphere ain't going nowhere.

00:06:58.000 The Red Pill's not going anywhere.

00:07:00.000 So let's go ahead and meet our panel.

00:07:02.000 First up is the man in Tokyo, Japan, where I think it's like, I don't know, 2.30 in the afternoon on like a Sunday evening out there.

00:07:08.000 It is Modern Life Dating.

00:07:09.000 MLB, what's up, brother?

00:07:11.000 10.30 Saturday morning.

00:07:12.000 How you guys doing?

00:07:13.000 Thank you so much for having me here.

00:07:14.000 I got the invite.

00:07:15.000 Just want to show support.

00:07:17.000 And I'd like to apologize in advance for Clary being here.

00:07:21.000 Listen, we forgive you.

00:07:23.000 We forgive you.

00:07:24.000 Seamlessly segues to our next panelist is Aaron Clary.

00:07:28.000 What's going on, Clary?

00:07:29.000 I'm getting ESG social credit score points for hanging out with Modern Life John because he's a special needs person who definitely has special needs.

00:07:38.000 That's why I'm here.

00:07:39.000 I'm here to show support.

00:07:41.000 We love you, John.

00:07:42.000 You're doing very well.

00:07:44.000 Very, very good.

00:07:46.000 Next up is the man in Las Vegas.

00:07:49.000 He is the host of the Access Vegas podcast.

00:07:51.000 He is the great Michael Sartain.

00:07:54.000 How you doing, man?

00:07:55.000 Hey, welcome, man.

00:07:55.000 I'm really glad to have you guys or to see you guys on Valentine's Day.

00:07:59.000 I can't think of anyone else I would rather spend Valentine's with than you guys.

00:08:03.000 And I get to show off my new studio.

00:08:05.000 So that was a pretty cool thing.

00:08:07.000 And I get to see you guys all over the world.

00:08:09.000 Looking good.

00:08:09.000 And you and I, we actually have the same body type.

00:08:12.000 Like, my chest looks just like yours, only upside down.

00:08:15.000 So I've got a little bit of envy there.

00:08:19.000 And last, of course, and certainly not least, the one half of the world-famous number one men's podcast in the world.

00:08:25.000 It is Fresh Prince CEO. What's going on, man?

00:08:28.000 We're here, man.

00:08:28.000 It is Friday.

00:08:29.000 It's V-Day.

00:08:30.000 But in any case, it's G-Day for us anyway. 0.84

00:08:32.000 Myra's going to be here as well, like an hour later.

00:08:34.000 But let's get into it.

00:08:36.000 All right, very good.

00:08:37.000 So what we're going to do is we're going to take it all the way back to the beginning.

00:08:39.000 What we're going to do is I'm going to go around the panel.

00:08:41.000 I'm going to ask each and every one of you guys how you found this community, the Red Bull community, the Manosphere.

00:08:46.000 Who inspired you?

00:08:47.000 Who were the first content creators you watched?

00:08:49.000 How did you get into the space?

00:08:50.000 Let's start off with MLD. Tell us sort of your origin story in terms of how you found yourself here in the sphere.

00:08:56.000 Well, I had been...

00:09:00.000 I don't have the traditional Red Bull story where I was a virgin until I was 25, and then I read the Rational Mail, and my whole life was changed.

00:09:09.000 I kind of grew up around women all the time, and I was never really afraid to talk to them.

00:09:16.000 I think that's the largest battle most guys have, is they're just afraid to talk to girls.

00:09:21.000 And I think once you get to talk to women, you talk to enough women, you start to notice a pattern.

00:09:28.000 I used to browse the Red Pill subreddit in 2009, 10, and 11 before it got PSYOPed and then they deleted it.

00:09:43.000 I was looking for people to link up with and just reading reports, reading field reports.

00:09:50.000 Back in the day, there was a lot more guys taking action and a lot less theory on there.

00:09:55.000 And then, you know, I actually started, I had a mentor, which I think is the backbone of all success.

00:10:00.000 Like, you need a mentor.

00:10:02.000 And I was mentored by a small YouTube channel guy named Player Supreme.

00:10:08.000 And he's really old school.

00:10:09.000 He passed away now, rest in peace. 1.00

00:10:11.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:10:13.000 Yeah, he taught me a lot back in the day. 1.00

00:10:15.000 Wow.

00:10:15.000 And he's a great guy.

00:10:18.000 And then, you know, the forums lead you to Twitter.

00:10:21.000 And then, you know, I think you start following people like Roosh because he was the big name then.

00:10:28.000 I never really leaned into the whole PUA stuff.

00:10:30.000 I just thought the way those guys were dressed was pretty goofy, like the big hat.

00:10:34.000 I just thought, like, why would somebody wear a big, goofy hat with goggles on it?

00:10:39.000 I was like, that's just kind of not how the real world works.

00:10:43.000 And I kind of started seeing...

00:10:45.000 There was a big divide happening between flashy advice that looked good for clicks, views, and television and real advice that actually got women to follow you and serve you and want to be by your side.

00:11:01.000 You didn't have to trick women to be with you.

00:11:03.000 You didn't have to like... 0.96

00:11:03.000 Be a dancing little monkey. 0.96

00:11:06.000 You became a quality man, and they wanted to be around you.

00:11:11.000 And then I think it was 2013, 2014, 2015. That's kind of when we had the Mike Sertovich, Danger and Play, the Bold and Determined, Victor Pride, that kind of blogging era of masculinity.

00:11:28.000 That's when you started making your plays, too, Don.

00:11:32.000 Yes, sir.

00:11:33.000 And then, you know, I just was on Twitter heavily.

00:11:38.000 And then, you know, Rolo just started following me.

00:11:41.000 I started following him.

00:11:43.000 And then I remember that one guy, he used to call himself Christian McQueen.

00:11:47.000 He bailed out on a Red Queen episode.

00:11:50.000 And then Rolo hit me up on Twitter.

00:11:52.000 He's like, hey, man, you want to come on the show?

00:11:53.000 And then you brought me on.

00:11:55.000 And then that was from there.

00:11:57.000 It was history, man.

00:11:58.000 We had that big resurgence in 20—I think it started in 2018. And I was always telling you guys, and I was always telling you guys back in 2018, 2019, I said, dude, because I had left America.

00:12:09.000 See, I left America because I saw the writing on the wall of how America was going to be where it is now.

00:12:14.000 I left in 2012, and I knew that we were going to reach a critical mass, and I knew that red pill was eventually going to hit the mainstream and people were going to be publicly aware because girls in America, like I'm sorry.

00:12:26.000 They're just like on a global level, American women at the very bottom. 1.00

00:12:31.000 Like talk about body weight.

00:12:33.000 You talk about desirability.

00:12:35.000 You talk about divorce rate.

00:12:37.000 I mean, you talk about everything.

00:12:40.000 Nobody's lining up to, like, oh, man, I dream of being with an American girl, unless it's, like, some Indian, you know, trying to come to America, and he thinks all girls are blonde and blue eyes. 0.91

00:12:49.000 You know, guys are thinking, like, man, I want a Brazilian girl.

00:12:51.000 Man, I want a Japanese girl. 1.00

00:12:53.000 Man, I want to be with a Filipino.

00:12:54.000 Man, I want to be with, like, a hot European girl, like a Ukrainian, a Russian.

00:12:58.000 No one's really lusting after American women. 0.99

00:13:01.000 So I saw the writing on the wall, and I saw what was going to happen, and I just...

00:13:03.000 Sat down and I started live streaming consistently in 2019 with one purpose and one purpose only.

00:13:08.000 Getting as many guys to come and sit down and actually do the work and do the things necessary to transform their lives.

00:13:17.000 Because anybody who's anybody and who's worth their salt will tell you, there's no way you're going to make massive transformation on your own.

00:13:26.000 I don't think anybody in this panel has gone without mentorship.

00:13:30.000 I don't think anybody here would speak against mentorship either because that's the only way you're going to learn.

00:13:36.000 If you want to learn something in college, you've got to go learn from somebody who's already done it.

00:13:39.000 You want to go learn boxing, you're not going to raid a boxing textbook in your garage and become a world champion, right?

00:13:45.000 So I just really focused on...

00:13:48.000 Training guys and getting guys moving forward.

00:13:51.000 And that's what I met Myron before Freshman Fit even started.

00:13:54.000 I kind of gave him an idea of what he could do with himself and his brand, and it taught him the power of digital marketing.

00:14:00.000 And Myron has an incredible work ethic, and here we are.

00:14:03.000 Yes, he does.

00:14:05.000 Clary, tell us the Aaron Clary superhero origin story because you are, and it's interesting because when I first got to know you, I was not aware that you were red-pilled.

00:14:15.000 I remember asking, well, you're not red-pilled.

00:14:17.000 You were like, yeah, definitely red-pilled.

00:14:18.000 But you come from the minimalist financial shrewdness side of living the red-pilled life, sort of taking control of things.

00:14:27.000 How did you get started in this space?

00:14:30.000 It was blogging way back in the day.

00:14:33.000 I started my blog in 2004 from a financial, economic, political perspective.

00:14:38.000 And there's plenty of stuff to talk about in those fields.

00:14:41.000 But it was also red pill in a way that you've been being lied to about many other things outside of women and dating, which is economics, politics and all that.

00:14:48.000 And then invariably, the two worlds would meet.

00:14:51.000 Because if you think about it, men spend a tremendous amount of their time, money, and resources on the pursuit of women.

00:14:57.000 Matter of fact, it's most of their time, money, and resources, especially if you're younger.

00:15:01.000 And it was inevitable that you'd have to talk about your time budget and personal finances and personal choices you'd make, not just in terms of cars or houses or interest rates, but hey, what are you doing with women, especially with the financial risk of divorce? 0.95

00:15:17.000 That evolved, and then I made the jump from blogging to podcasting.

00:15:22.000 Then we did podcasting to YouTube in 2014, because I had enough books out by that time.

00:15:28.000 People were sending me questions.

00:15:30.000 I created Asshole Consulting as kind of a joke to get people to say, look, I can't answer all your questions, so I'm going to have to charge you, thinking no one would pay me.

00:15:41.000 Here we are, where most people did, and that took a life on its own.

00:15:46.000 And that's kind of the evolution of how I got onto YouTube.

00:15:49.000 That's my main performance on YouTube, is answering those people's kind of Dear Abby questions, except from Red Pill Community Lens, which includes finance now, as well as dating and all that other stuff.

00:16:00.000 And so, yeah, fast forward, what, 21 years later?

00:16:04.000 Wow.

00:16:05.000 And here we are, yeah.

00:16:06.000 And so that's kind of my origin story.

00:16:10.000 Okay.

00:16:10.000 Now, Michael, as far as I know, you're relatively new in this space.

00:16:16.000 I think that Access Vegas, if I'm not mistaken, you've done it for a year and a half, two years.

00:16:22.000 Maybe I'm off.

00:16:23.000 Maybe I'm not.

00:16:24.000 And, of course, you partner up with Rolo.

00:16:27.000 How did you find your way into this space that eventually was the genesis of Access Vegas?

00:16:32.000 So I retired from the military in 2011, and then I moved to Las Vegas, and I started throwing these just outrageous events.

00:16:39.000 I either started throwing the events or, and Rollo can talk to you about them.

00:16:43.000 I mean, Fresh has been to them before.

00:16:45.000 And these events are like three or four girls to every guy.

00:16:48.000 And I would do this over and over again.

00:16:49.000 And then I would occasionally, because I was friends with Owen Cook and I'm friends with Mystery, occasionally I would get...

00:16:56.000 Ask to go speak on certain panels and say, okay, what is it that you're doing that's different?

00:17:01.000 Because the girls that you're with always seem to be really, really attractive and you seem to have a lot of women with you.

00:17:05.000 But I didn't want to teach this.

00:17:06.000 I wanted to stay out of this professionally.

00:17:08.000 I was still working at a fund as a quantitative analyst.

00:17:11.000 And then later on, I think there were kind of a couple of inflection points.

00:17:17.000 First was I started the podcast in July of 2021. And I had a bunch of friends who wanted to come on, and so I started doing a podcast.

00:17:29.000 And I'll tell you, it was probably 2015, Ty Lopez introduced me to Dr. David Buss from the University of Texas at Austin, who's the world's foremost evolutionary psychologist.

00:17:39.000 So I started to get really heavy into evolutionary psychology, read every book I could by Robert Trivers and Jeffrey Wilson and every single content creator that I could find or every single PhD I could find on the subject.

00:17:51.000 And then I started my own company, Men of Action, probably December 2019. It didn't really take off until the next year, but we had a lot of demand because I had been speaking for several years before that.

00:18:03.000 And then what I wanted to do was take all these outrageous experiences I would have at the Playboy Mansion or at the Maxim parties, and I was trying to share with men how I got to this place.

00:18:14.000 And then try to use a scientific backing behind it.

00:18:17.000 And so, my 10th episode, I had Bulzerian on, and then later on, I had Dr. Buss on, and then later on, I had Rollo on.

00:18:24.000 Now, the reason why I had Rollo on was I did a bikini, so I host the three biggest bikini competitions in the world.

00:18:29.000 One at What Republic for 100 grand, the one for Paradise Challenge Black Tape Project, and then I host Swimsuit USA every November.

00:18:37.000 The one I did for Wet Republic, I had one time where I had like 70 girls at the show and I have this video where I'm walking down the staircase and the girls are just following me.

00:18:46.000 And I can't remember what the music was or whatever.

00:18:48.000 Anyway, Andrew Tate, his people reached out to me after he saw the video, liked the video, started following me.

00:18:53.000 He reached out to me on Instagram and then me and Andrew started talking back and forth.

00:18:57.000 And we were talking about doing a podcast together.

00:19:00.000 Andrew said he was going to come to the States back then.

00:19:02.000 And I was actually, it was funny because he still had a lot of heat on him.

00:19:05.000 And I was talking to some of the nightlife directors for MGM and some other places because I figured if Andrew was going to come back to the States, he was going to have to keep it under wraps.

00:19:12.000 So I was planning, I was like, hey bro, if you come here, G14 classification, I'll take care of it. 0.94

00:19:18.000 Make sure nobody harasses you or whatever.

00:19:20.000 He says, I can't come to the States, but you need to. 0.84

00:19:23.000 Could you talk to my buddy, Justin Waller?

00:19:25.000 He's like one of my close friends, whatever.

00:19:26.000 Justin comes down, does my podcast.

00:19:28.000 We immediately become like super good friends.

00:19:30.000 Me and Justin, we talk on a regular basis.

00:19:32.000 He gets me.

00:19:33.000 I'm from Texas.

00:19:33.000 He's from Louisiana.

00:19:35.000 We just have a very, very, there's almost nothing Justin and I disagree with when it comes to like Red Pill stuff.

00:19:40.000 And then Justin then goes the next week to see Rolo in Reno, does a show with him.

00:19:46.000 Rolo then sees my stuff and then he goes, hey man, Do you want to do a podcast?

00:19:51.000 He comes, and I had, because I'd read all Rolo's books, I do a four-hour podcast with Rolo, and he'll tell you even to this day, it's the most, it's the most, I have the most intricate podcast with Bilzerian, with Adam Sosnick.

00:20:02.000 With Rolo Tomasi, like certain guys I do, I'll say Aaron Clary too.

00:20:06.000 When I interviewed Aaron, I go through all of their books before I do the interview.

00:20:11.000 So Rolo was really impressed.

00:20:12.000 He goes, hey, do you want to do a show here in Vegas?

00:20:14.000 We'll do Access Vegas.

00:20:15.000 And I was like, well, I know thousands of girls, bikini models.

00:20:18.000 I know girls with PhDs. 1.00

00:20:20.000 I know girls who are doctors. 1.00

00:20:20.000 I know girls who are porn stars, whatever. 1.00

00:20:22.000 I was like, yeah, for sure.

00:20:23.000 So I would book the girls and then we do the show. 1.00

00:20:27.000 Then Rolo comes to my birthday party. 0.99

00:20:29.000 And then that's when he actually sees the fucking chaos. 0.98

00:20:31.000 It was me, no guys, and 50 girls showed up to my birthday party. 0.99

00:20:36.000 And I showed him how I did it.

00:20:38.000 And then that's where the confluence of theory and practice came together.

00:20:42.000 He had really good theory.

00:20:44.000 His way of explaining hypergamy and concepts in Red Pill were better than anything I'd ever done before.

00:20:50.000 Here's the way I like to explain what the rational male is.

00:20:53.000 People try to criticize stuff that was written in that book that comes from essays that were almost 20 years ago.

00:20:58.000 That's not the point.

00:20:59.000 The rational mail is a piece of dynamite.

00:21:01.000 Sometimes to move a boulder, you need a shovel, and sometimes you need dynamite.

00:21:04.000 The rational mail is just dynamite.

00:21:06.000 It's an explosion to get you to move, to actually see some truths that you didn't see before.

00:21:10.000 It wasn't that I read the rational mail and I was like, oh, I didn't know this.

00:21:13.000 I knew this.

00:21:14.000 I used to manage a strip club back in 2000. I'm very aware of how women's hypergamous actions were. 1.00

00:21:19.000 It was, I'd never seen anyone describe it.

00:21:21.000 Same thing, you've ever read Jocko Willick?

00:21:23.000 Jocko Willick describes military leadership better than anyone I've ever seen.

00:21:26.000 And the way that Rolo describes the dynamics between men and women is better than anyone I'd ever seen.

00:21:31.000 So I teamed up with him, and he would kind of do the theory stuff, and I would do the practice stuff.

00:21:35.000 And then that's how we started our show.

00:21:37.000 And we've been doing it for a while, Men of Action.

00:21:40.000 We just crossed 3,500 members to join the company, Men of Action.

00:21:44.000 And then I do partner with Rolo for his Reignite.

00:21:49.000 His Reignite brand.

00:21:50.000 And then I also partnered with Blazerian for his Sigma Society brand as one of the coaches there.

00:21:54.000 So that's pretty much where I've been since then.

00:21:57.000 And I try to, for this space, and I think Aaron does the same thing.

00:22:01.000 I try to, if you have discussions about these topics with coworkers, family members, blue-pilled alphas, or women who absolutely have no idea what they're talking about, and you want data in order to win the debate.

00:22:14.000 Check my show out.

00:22:15.000 My show is about providing you with data, actual hard science, data, evolutionary psychology studies to show, like, for instance, promiscuity is not good for men or women.

00:22:28.000 It causes both men and women to have lower marital satisfaction, but the variance in women is two to one versus men.

00:22:34.000 Absolutely.

00:22:35.000 Women show even more, more marital dissatisfaction the higher their body count is. 1.00

00:22:41.000 That's something why I have a friend of mine, he's a Hollywood director.

00:22:43.000 He shows this to his assistant who's like super woke and she's like, no, that's misogynistic. 1.00

00:22:47.000 No, it's a fact that's backed up by data and science.

00:22:51.000 So what I tried to do with my podcast and Access Vegas is give guys in this space data and science, hard facts in order to have these discussions so that people, because again, If something is true, it is not racist.

00:23:05.000 If something is true, it is not bigoted.

00:23:07.000 If something is true, it is not misogynistic.

00:23:09.000 It is only true.

00:23:10.000 And so that's what I've been trying to do with my channel.

00:23:14.000 So it's a little bit less bombastic, but it's more data-driven because I'm a quant.

00:23:18.000 And I studied physics in college.

00:23:20.000 I like to have, basically, if you want the research in order to win the debate, then that's why I try to turn my channel into.

00:23:26.000 And also, we have tons of girls on the show also. 1.00

00:23:30.000 Super impressive.

00:23:31.000 Before I get to fresh, what you just said about Rolo Tomasi, the way you described it, it's not that Rolo, it's not that he was teaching us anything we didn't already know.

00:23:42.000 We as men, men and women, we intrinsically understand things because it's in our very firmware.

00:23:47.000 Rolo just put, he just explained it to us.

00:23:49.000 It's almost like, yes, I knew this to be true.

00:23:51.000 And I think that's why the rational male, for a lot of reasons, is the dynamite.

00:23:55.000 Fresh, you are one half of the Fresh and Fit podcast, man.

00:23:58.000 Obviously, one of the most famous people in the world.

00:24:00.000 How did you get started in this space?

00:24:03.000 Real quick, I got to say, man, Donovan, you're a good moderator, man.

00:24:05.000 Don't let me tell you otherwise.

00:24:07.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:24:08.000 Thank you.

00:24:08.000 So, yeah, this started in 2021. Sorry, 2017. I just left the Barbados coming to America, and I want to be successful.

00:24:16.000 I didn't know how.

00:24:17.000 I just knew, hey, opportunities here in America.

00:24:20.000 Come over here and figure it out.

00:24:22.000 What happened was I started applying for jobs, finally got a job, worked two jobs, Chick-fil-A and AT&T. And then, funny enough, I started saving money, investing money as well into myself.

00:24:34.000 Then I looked at real estate, how to invest as well, how to further my career.

00:24:38.000 And then I started living a good lifestyle.

00:24:41.000 I had money saved up.

00:24:42.000 I go out with friends, enjoy.

00:24:43.000 I started to see how the culture in America was.

00:24:46.000 Because in Barbados, obviously, it's a lot of tourists.

00:24:48.000 You know, you're going to the beach, have fun.

00:24:49.000 It's not that hard to talk to girls in that environment. 0.73

00:24:52.000 But here, it's like, yo, if you're a regular dude, it's not that easy because you've got to either have game, charisma, money, or status.

00:24:59.000 One of these elements, all of them are all of the above.

00:25:02.000 In any case, I was living my lifestyle, and then I started getting a better life, having more money, having more status.

00:25:08.000 And then I met Solar TV 84. He saw my Instagram page, saw what's going on.

00:25:14.000 He said, bro, let's do a podcast.

00:25:15.000 I'm like, podcast?

00:25:16.000 Like, I'm not the best speaker, bro.

00:25:18.000 You know, I'm pretty much just living the lifestyle. 1.00

00:25:19.000 But fuck it, let's do it. 1.00

00:25:21.000 So we did the podcast. 1.00

00:25:22.000 And before we did the podcast, though, just back up on my story.

00:25:29.000 I was trying to learn the culture here in America.

00:25:32.000 And I was more from a religious background.

00:25:35.000 So I married a single mom, you know?

00:25:37.000 And that taught me so much about...

00:25:40.000 Women, marriage, and, like, single mothers, right? 0.99

00:25:43.000 And, obviously, you guys say, obviously, it's an L, but I understood one thing from that experience, is that if I was going to win at life and be successful, I can't make mistakes like that anymore.

00:25:56.000 Right.

00:25:56.000 So, I felt alone.

00:25:58.000 I felt, like, kind of, like, trapped.

00:25:59.000 And I was like, hold on.

00:26:00.000 What do I do here?

00:26:01.000 So, I'm looking online.

00:26:02.000 Okay.

00:26:03.000 Dating single mothers, is it bad? 1.00

00:26:05.000 Is it good?

00:26:05.000 I find a solo TV before.

00:26:08.000 I find Willa Tomasi, King Riches, and some other creators as well.

00:26:12.000 Long story short, though, I was like, yo, this is crazy.

00:26:14.000 I've been doing the wrong things here, especially marrying a single mom, and this isn't working well for me. 1.00

00:26:19.000 I've got to exit right now.

00:26:21.000 So that night, I went home.

00:26:23.000 I said, hey, listen, this is what's going on.

00:26:26.000 I've got to end this.

00:26:27.000 And in two weeks, I was finished with that.

00:26:31.000 I was looking at the Red Pill and all this dating stuff.

00:26:34.000 I saw, okay, cool.

00:26:36.000 If I can avoid certain mistakes or maneuver a certain way, I can benefit or move further ahead in life and be successful.

00:26:42.000 So at that point, I was full into Red Pill, looking at stuff.

00:26:46.000 Obviously, I didn't have the rage per se, but I was more like, you know what?

00:26:49.000 I see where I messed up.

00:26:50.000 Awesome.

00:26:51.000 Then Solo hit me up on Instagram.

00:26:53.000 After a while, we did that podcast.

00:26:55.000 He said, listen, bro, there's a guy in Miami that does fitness videos.

00:26:58.000 You should look at him.

00:26:58.000 I'm like, fitness videos.

00:27:00.000 Trying to make some money, bro.

00:27:01.000 Not fitness videos.

00:27:02.000 Anyhow, so then Myron DMs me on Instagram.

00:27:05.000 We speak for like an hour on the video call.

00:27:07.000 And then before you know it, let's have dinner, bro.

00:27:10.000 So it's me and my roommate Casey and Myron went to Top 42 Midtown.

00:27:13.000 Ah, Casey, yeah.

00:27:14.000 Yeah.

00:27:14.000 You know, I'm just a chill guy, bro.

00:27:15.000 We just had dinner.

00:27:16.000 Me and Myron talked.

00:27:18.000 Let's do our own podcast.

00:27:20.000 And we spoke about our first show, Cold Approach, and then Online Dating.

00:27:24.000 Because obviously...

00:27:25.000 I'm an Instagram wizard.

00:27:26.000 I'm going to Instagram for business and for dating.

00:27:28.000 And I turned my whole life around just from using Instagram the right way.

00:27:32.000 And at that point, we did one show a week, pretty much like our separate properties.

00:27:37.000 I did it in my bedroom.

00:27:38.000 He did it in his living room.

00:27:39.000 And people liked it.

00:27:41.000 You know, we talked about dating, our struggles as men in Miami.

00:27:44.000 And pretty much, people were like, you know what?

00:27:47.000 You should do more.

00:27:47.000 So we did two a week, then three a week.

00:27:49.000 And eventually, we got a studio, and the rest was history.

00:27:51.000 But at that point, the turning point for me was...

00:27:54.000 When I married a single mother, I feel like, dude, I made a big mistake in my life.

00:27:58.000 I don't know what to do here.

00:28:00.000 But looking online, for you guys' videos, it changed my entire life.

00:28:03.000 So I got to say to the RP, thank you, man, because it changed me as a man.

00:28:06.000 I made me a better person.

00:28:07.000 So good stuff.

00:28:09.000 We got a couple of new panelists who just jumped in.

00:28:12.000 We got the godfather himself, Roland Tomasi.

00:28:13.000 I'll get to him in a second.

00:28:14.000 We got the angry man in the house.

00:28:16.000 Now, angry man, you and I have known of each other for years, but we have never been on the same podcast.

00:28:22.000 I happen to be, like, this is, it's absolutely incredible.

00:28:25.000 I know that you're in, I think you're in North Carolina.

00:28:27.000 I lived in North Carolina for the better part of 20 years before I started, you know, traveling extensively.

00:28:33.000 So I guess I'll pose the question to you.

00:28:35.000 How did you find your way into, you know, the Manosphere, you know, the Red Pill space, from your perspective?

00:28:42.000 Well, I started out, Back in, I want to say, 2012, 2013, I actually wrote a couple articles.

00:28:52.000 Can you hear me?

00:28:53.000 Yeah, I got you.

00:28:54.000 I'm saying you're an OG. Yeah, I actually wrote a couple articles for Voice for Men.

00:29:01.000 I joined a few of the shows that Paul Elam had, Dr. Paul Elam had.

00:29:09.000 Yes, yes.

00:29:10.000 I think it was Honey Badger Radio or something like that.

00:29:15.000 But not long after that, I actually started my own channel in like 2015, which predominantly dealt with issues about child support, family court, things of that nature.

00:29:30.000 And from there, it just kind of took off.

00:29:32.000 I linked up with a lot of different guys, many of which you know.

00:29:37.000 Yep.

00:29:38.000 No need to really name everybody, you know what I'm saying?

00:29:42.000 You know, just from there, just kept it going, you know, kept cranking out content, and here I am.

00:29:49.000 Okay, all right.

00:29:51.000 Good stuff.

00:29:52.000 Of course, last but not least, I guess for now, the guy that we call the godfather of the Manosphere, it is Rolo Tomasi.

00:29:59.000 So, Rolo, you're the godfather.

00:30:02.000 You're sort of where this thing sort of begins and ends, you know.

00:30:05.000 And whether people want to agree or disagree, whatever the case may be, you're the godfather.

00:30:09.000 Always have been and always will be.

00:30:10.000 How did you find your way into this space?

00:30:16.000 Unmute yourself.

00:30:19.000 There we go.

00:30:20.000 I just want to say, just to keep the record straight here, it was actually Pat Campbell who gave me the name The Godfather.

00:30:26.000 Oh, okay.

00:30:29.000 Godfather or Godfather.

00:30:31.000 Well, you know, the thing that's funny is I used to do Pat Campbell's terrestrial radio show, and he would introduce me to Godfather Manosphere, and then it just stuck after that.

00:30:40.000 No, I've been doing this for...

00:30:43.000 If you count what I did in the So Suave days, in the forum days, I've been doing this for probably 22 years now, 23. So, as you guys know, I am the author of the Rational Mail series of books, but everybody always goes back to the first book.

00:31:04.000 But I got five.

00:31:05.000 Five different books now, yeah.

00:31:06.000 I'm working on a sixth.

00:31:08.000 And then, gosh, I mean, I came up through the forum days.

00:31:15.000 Then there was the blog days.

00:31:16.000 It was just one of the three R's of the Manosphere, which was Rolo, Roosh, and Royce.

00:31:23.000 And then, you know, just little by little, everybody kind of fell off, and I'm the last man standing.

00:31:28.000 The last R standing. 1.00

00:31:30.000 And so from that point on, I just did The Rational Mail, my blog in 2011. The first book came out, published in 2013. And the last one I published was in 2022. So I've been doing this for quite some time.

00:31:44.000 Then there was the YouTube years, I guess.

00:31:49.000 And actually, I didn't even have a channel until Pat Campbell said, hey, let's do a show on Sundays.

00:31:55.000 That's why people keep asking me, why do you- I remember those.

00:31:58.000 Why do you do your shows on Sundays at 1 p.m.

00:32:00.000 Pacific?

00:32:00.000 And I'm like, well, because that was the only time Pat could do it because he was Catholic.

00:32:06.000 So mass was over for him at like three because he was in Central Time.

00:32:10.000 So it was like three o'clock.

00:32:11.000 And so that I was one o'clock.

00:32:12.000 So and then I just kept doing it after he passed away.

00:32:16.000 And then just I started working with Mike in August of 2022. And we just got together through Justin.

00:32:27.000 Justin Waller and Justin put us together and so we did one podcast on his show and then after that I said hey do you want to do a Do you want to do Access Vegas?

00:32:36.000 Well, we didn't call it Access Vegas at the time, but I said, do you want to do a show?

00:32:38.000 He's like, hell yeah, I want to do a show.

00:32:40.000 So I started just making commutes down from Reno to Vegas, and the travel just got too much, so now I'm actually living in Vegas.

00:32:51.000 I've been living in Vegas for almost in March.

00:32:53.000 It'll be a year.

00:32:54.000 So you moved to Reno, and then I moved to Vegas.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, as soon as I moved to Reno, you get up out of there.

00:33:01.000 Literally the year that I moved, you moved in.

00:33:05.000 But I've been doing this for a while.

00:33:08.000 I mean, if you do want me to highlight some stuff, I was on Tim Pool last year, on Dr. Phil.

00:33:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:18.000 I didn't even know where to begin.

00:33:20.000 But I've been doing this for a long, long time, and that's, I guess, my pedigree.

00:33:27.000 Okay, very good.

00:33:28.000 So now let's get into sort of the meat and potatoes and kind of take a snapshot from when you found this community to where it is now.

00:33:36.000 I'll start with Sartain here.

00:33:39.000 When you begin to, because something tells me you were probably a little bit more red pill aware before you found the Rational Mail, right?

00:33:47.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:48.000 Right, I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:33:49.000 Yeah, I used to manage a strip club for four years when I was. 0.99

00:33:52.000 Before I joined the military.

00:33:54.000 And I just, I remember the first time being 21, 22 years old and seeing a woman come into the dressing room and her husband or her boyfriend had beaten the crap out of her.

00:34:03.000 All the girls being like, oh my God, that was terrible.

00:34:05.000 I can't believe you're doing that.

00:34:06.000 Blah, blah, blah, whatever.

00:34:07.000 And then her coming back being like, yeah, I'm leaving the guy.

00:34:10.000 And all the girls were like, yeah. 0.85

00:34:11.000 And then coming back like a couple months later, beat up again by the same dude.

00:34:14.000 And I was like, okay, something that the church and my family.

00:34:19.000 And the media is telling me is not correct. 1.00

00:34:23.000 Again, I'd be at the strip club and I'd watch like six girls fighting over one fucking loser. 1.00

00:34:27.000 I was like, okay, something that I'm learning and for my family is not adding up to what I'm seeing in real life. 0.98

00:34:34.000 And so it was from those moments I was like, okay, I need to pay more attention to what women do and then not what they say. 0.99

00:34:40.000 And then from there, it was just pretty easy.

00:34:42.000 I did not codify these ideas.

00:34:44.000 I was not aware of a swath forum.

00:34:46.000 And the only real experience I had with this was that I was an approach coach for the Venusian Arts and Mystery back in 2009, 2010. Oh, wow.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, so I was doing, I was trying that whole pickup part of it, but more to get over approach anxiety.

00:35:00.000 I feel the same way MLD was.

00:35:01.000 It was like, it didn't feel very authentic.

00:35:03.000 What happened for me, the breaking point for me was in 07 when I was stationed at Warner Robins Air Force Base in Warner Robins, Georgia, and I would commute to Atlanta, and I met these club promoters that would go out, and there would be 70 girls with them.

00:35:18.000 They'd always be dating tens, maybe four or five of them at once, and I was like, something is different here than what the pickup artists are telling me and what I'm seeing in the forums.

00:35:26.000 Let me reverse engineer this and then let me, but I don't want to be a club promoter.

00:35:30.000 I don't want to do drugs.

00:35:31.000 I don't want to drink.

00:35:31.000 I don't want to do any of this.

00:35:32.000 I want to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but I like the 70 girls every time I go out.

00:35:36.000 I like that part.

00:35:37.000 I want to take that part.

00:35:38.000 And so that's what, that's essentially what I did was reverse engineer.

00:35:42.000 Hey, I actually have some, can I show you guys something here real quick?

00:35:45.000 Rolo, Rolo, first time we hung out.

00:35:47.000 Do you remember my birthday party?

00:35:48.000 Yes, I do.

00:35:49.000 I remember the meeting too.

00:35:51.000 Yeah, here we go.

00:35:52.000 Hold on.

00:35:53.000 So I don't know if I've ever shown anybody this.

00:35:54.000 This was the first time Rolo and I ever hung out right after we did the episode.

00:35:57.000 Rolo, how many girls were there? 1.00

00:36:07.000 How many girls were there? 1.00

00:36:07.000 At least, by my count, at least 20. 1.00

00:36:10.000 All of them.

00:36:12.000 They all dressed up like a cheerleader's formula.

00:36:21.000 And you see Rolo right there on the left side of the screen.

00:36:23.000 There's Rolo.

00:36:24.000 He's like filming the whole thing.

00:36:27.000 Like, you guys have to understand, from my standpoint, I'm nervous.

00:36:30.000 Like, Rolo is one of my favorite authors.

00:36:32.000 And, like, so he gets to come to my birthday party.

00:36:34.000 And, like, other people are like, oh, Rolo, I'm a huge fan.

00:36:36.000 I didn't want to do that.

00:36:37.000 I wanted to show Rolo, hey, bro, I understand what's going on.

00:36:40.000 Like, this is the world I live in.

00:36:42.000 It's 25 girls for every one guy, dude. 0.72

00:36:44.000 Like, that's the way I want it.

00:36:46.000 Let me ask you, let me ask you a question.

00:36:48.000 Let me ask you a question, Michael, and I wanted to pose this to the panel.

00:36:51.000 How has dating changed since you, since you ran that strip club? 0.71

00:36:55.000 When you saw that girl say, I'm going to leave this guy, he beat the crap out of me. 0.99

00:36:59.000 Then two months later, you know, she comes back, beat, beat, you know, crap beat everybody. 0.94

00:37:02.000 But say, how in your opinion has, has the dating landscape changed since?

00:37:07.000 Your discovery, I guess, of what we now call Red Pill Truth to now here in 2025. Yeah, so it's changed so much, and I wanted to actually go back and give specifics.

00:37:16.000 So go back.

00:37:18.000 So before 2004, text messaging is not prevalent in the United States, and there's no bottle service before 2004. If you read kind of the origin of bottle service in the United States, like the table bottle service, was Marquee Nightclub owned by Jason Strauss in Manhattan, probably 2003, 2004, somewhere around that area.

00:37:36.000 Once that happened, then what happened was, you started now, for those of you who are really older, like me and Aaron Clary and Rollo probably remember this, Hooters used to have beautiful women.

00:37:44.000 I know you guys think I'm out of my mind and that I'm crazy.

00:37:47.000 Put a one in the chat if you guys are old enough to remember.

00:37:50.000 When Hooters opened, it was tens.

00:37:52.000 It's not like now where it's a bunch of overweight babies, mamas, whenever you go to Hooters. 1.00

00:37:56.000 Back then, Hooters had tens because there was no OnlyFans.

00:38:00.000 Girls were not going to strip clubs. 1.00

00:38:01.000 There were no social media influencers, and there was no bottle service work.

00:38:05.000 So you would go to, and then later on Twin Peaks, the girls there were all dimes. 0.99

00:38:11.000 It was crazy.

00:38:11.000 Then when bottle service happened, there was two things that kind of, well, three, text messaging, MySpace, and bottle service started to extract some of the attention away from the guy who goes into the bar and meets the girl.

00:38:26.000 It becomes a little bit of a distraction.

00:38:28.000 So now I can mass text girls.

00:38:30.000 Now we have the promoter thing.

00:38:31.000 I had an app called HitEmUp.

00:38:32.000 I can now mass text girls as a promoter.

00:38:35.000 I can show, I can display my status on MySpace.

00:38:39.000 These are just like preliminary things.

00:38:40.000 Still, most girls are not on MySpace, like in O4. And then bottle service, now you start having girls making 150, 200 grand a year as a bottle service waitress at some of these bigger and bigger clubs. 1.00

00:38:51.000 And then later on, Dre's opens up in Las Vegas and then Access Nightclub.

00:38:54.000 And then there's also these big clubs in Miami and New York.

00:38:58.000 In Los Angeles.

00:38:59.000 So now this, this thing started cranking up.

00:39:01.000 And then once we get to Facebook and then Instagram, now it's like, now the idea of becoming an influencer and getting paid to do that is even more prevalent.

00:39:09.000 So now prettier girls are being, their attention is being sucked away from the IRL market of going out and meeting people. 1.00

00:39:16.000 This completely destroys like.

00:39:18.000 The nightclub scene in Los Angeles is absolutely garbage now because of what's happened because of this.

00:39:24.000 So what's happened is now before, let's just say like 1997, a girl would have to go to a club to show off her new dress, her haircut, her nails.

00:39:32.000 She got a new car or her boyfriend.

00:39:34.000 Now she doesn't have to do that.

00:39:36.000 And as we slowly get further and further along, Instagram starts pulling girls even out of the strip.

00:39:41.000 Like Instagram destroyed strip clubs.

00:39:43.000 Like strip clubs used to be full of tens. 0.96

00:39:45.000 Yeah, and then so now we get to probably around 2019 and then 2020. OnlyFans starts like 2018, something like that.

00:39:54.000 When OnlyFans happens during the pandemic, that is the ultimate death knell.

00:39:58.000 Because what happens is now the girls leave the strip club. 1.00

00:40:01.000 The girls that are in the bottle service, they stop working in bottle service. 0.99

00:40:04.000 And girls going out on a regular basis are getting so much validation through social media because they don't have to go out. 0.97

00:40:11.000 We just showed this clip the other day.

00:40:14.000 Every week, five new nightclubs in London are closing down because people are not going out anymore.

00:40:20.000 It was actually Owen Cook, former professional pickup artist, who was sending me these videos.

00:40:24.000 He's like, when I go out, guys, you've never...

00:40:27.000 I went to Ladue in Los Angeles in 2006, and I saw nothing but tents.

00:40:31.000 I go to any nightclub in any city in America, and there's way more dudes than girls. 0.88

00:40:35.000 And so what's happened is the virtual nature of dating, which is dating apps.

00:40:41.000 uh instagram etc has caused it where there's a few guys at the top that are able to display massive amounts of value passively with low perceived effort and a large group of men that are suffering now unless you're extremely good looking or you're rich or something like that those guys i'm not talking about those guys i'm talking about average guys and your numbers bear that out you know 26 of men under 30 are virgins two-thirds of men under 30 are single On dating apps, men match six out of every 1,000 right swipes.

00:41:07.000 Let me say that again.

00:41:08.000 The average guy on a dating app, it's six matches for every 1,000 right swipes.

00:41:11.000 For women, it's 100 matches for every 1,000 right swipes. 1.00

00:41:14.000 And so we start seeing these things over and over again.

00:41:17.000 There's 68% of men.

00:41:19.000 This is the craziest stat I've ever heard.

00:41:20.000 68% of men report being friend-zoned after matching with a girl on a dating app.

00:41:26.000 I'm surprised it's that low.

00:41:28.000 Look it up.

00:41:29.000 60, you're paying money to a dating app to get FriendZone.

00:41:32.000 Look the date up.

00:41:33.000 If you don't believe me, I'll show it to you.

00:41:35.000 So what's happened is there's a group of guys who are doing really well, and they're doing even better than they've ever done before.

00:41:42.000 And then there's a large group of guys that are going without sex for two or three years.

00:41:46.000 And social media has made it where women, now before, you had the guy who was the eight, let's just say he's the personal injury attorney in Wichita. 1.00

00:41:53.000 He marries the cute girl who works at Hooters, and that doesn't happen anymore.

00:41:57.000 The cute girl who works at Hooters, and I'm using a specific example.

00:42:01.000 There's an influencer named JoJo Vonsothy.

00:42:02.000 She lived in Wichita when I lived there as well.

00:42:05.000 She got flown out to a Maxim party.

00:42:07.000 In Los Angeles, met a guy and then was the first girl on Instagram with 10 million followers.

00:42:12.000 So a kind of a cute girl in Wichita gets 10 million followers in Los Angeles. 1.00

00:42:18.000 These women that were at the top in whatever small city are being sucked out of the market because of social media. 1.00

00:42:24.000 And so it makes it progressively more and more difficult.

00:42:26.000 Then add to the fact that now people are having fewer and fewer interactions.

00:42:30.000 Now men who are already less calibrated than women fall even further behind women as far as...

00:42:37.000 Calibration is a concern.

00:42:38.000 And now let's make it even worse.

00:42:40.000 The skill set that I would teach you to have boundaries, you know, talk with bass in your voice, go to the gym, level up as a man, is now deemed toxic by the American Psychological Association.

00:42:50.000 So now, not only is what was being taught that was helping you with women not being taught, it's now being taught by woke liberal organizations that what I'm teaching you is now harmful and toxic.

00:43:01.000 Please look it up.

00:43:03.000 Traditional masculinity deemed harmful by the American Psychological Association.

00:43:07.000 They came out with this finding in 2019. Yeah, I remember when that happened.

00:43:11.000 So all of these things are confluenced together to create this quagmire that we're in right now where there's a bunch of women who think that they can date these men who are tens because they fucked a ten, they think they can date a nine, and they can't get anyone to commit the lowest marriage rate in history. 0.97

00:43:28.000 Men and women are sexless. 0.94

00:43:30.000 Now, one of the good parts?

00:43:31.000 Teenage pregnancy.

00:43:32.000 You guys remember teenage pregnancy in the 90s?

00:43:34.000 Going down.

00:43:34.000 You guys remember that?

00:43:35.000 Gone.

00:43:35.000 No, it's gone.

00:43:36.000 It's gone.

00:43:36.000 There's no more teenage pregnancy because no one's having sex.

00:43:38.000 Well, I mean, it's not completely gone, but it's almost completely gone.

00:43:41.000 It's nowhere near where it was.

00:43:42.000 It was a huge problem.

00:43:42.000 You remember, guys, you remember teenage drunk driving?

00:43:44.000 Do you remember that was a big problem back in the 90s?

00:43:46.000 Gone.

00:43:47.000 Because nobody, this generation doesn't get driver's license.

00:43:50.000 A lot of them just use Uber.

00:43:51.000 We've gotten to a point now where there's been this huge, massive change.

00:43:55.000 They're not drinking either.

00:43:56.000 We've gotten to this huge, massive change where we're starting to...

00:44:00.000 What are we talking about, guys?

00:44:01.000 We're on Zoom right now doing a call where we're all in different places.

00:44:05.000 We weren't able to do this 10 years ago.

00:44:07.000 We didn't even have the bandwidth to pull off what we're doing right now.

00:44:09.000 All of this has become so virtual.

00:44:11.000 And what it's done is the men who can passively display high status... 0.95

00:44:15.000 Effortlessly get endless amounts of sex with beautiful women. 0.80

00:44:18.000 The men who cannot display that level of high status are suffering and they're going out to bars where there's four guys to every girl.

00:44:25.000 That's the society that we're in.

00:44:26.000 And it has to do mainly with technology.

00:44:28.000 Like I said before, starting with text messaging, bottle service, then later on social media, Instagram, then OnlyFans, Patreon, etc.

00:44:36.000 That's where we've gotten into the place that we are now.

00:44:39.000 And then like, so me and Fresh will host a panel show and we have these OnlyFans influencers who are like dying to come on our show 'cause they want more attention so they can get more simps to subscribe to their OnlyFans.

00:44:48.000 And then it's become this incredible business model for them, but they don't go out to clubs.

00:44:53.000 I talk to these girls all the time. 1.00

00:44:54.000 Like, in Vegas, hot girls don't go anywhere unless they're being paid. 1.00

00:44:58.000 That's right.

00:44:59.000 The whole situation has changed.

00:45:00.000 And so that's what's going on.

00:45:02.000 And I hear pickup artists telling me that I'm wrong and no.

00:45:04.000 And then I always ask them, okay, show me photos.

00:45:06.000 And they can't.

00:45:06.000 And then I show them photos of these massive events I throw where it's like 25 girls for every guy.

00:45:11.000 And they can't comprehend that social circle and social media being a leader with women is actually the cheat code for getting women in 2025. Okay, wow, very good answer. 0.96

00:45:23.000 So we're going to go MLD, then we're going to go Angry Man, then we're going to go Clary.

00:45:26.000 So MLD, you are uniquely qualified to talk about, you know, the dating market, obviously, in Tokyo.

00:45:32.000 You're not really up on what's going on here in the United States outside of what we tell you.

00:45:37.000 So since you entered the manosphere, the Red Pill community, in your opinion, how has the dating market changed from your perspective?

00:45:44.000 Well, I think I'll just address the elephant in the room.

00:45:47.000 They're all fatter.

00:45:50.000 There you go.

00:45:52.000 I forgot that, yeah.

00:45:54.000 Sartain was a thousand percent correct.

00:45:56.000 I mean, I used to go to Hooters back in the day to watch UFC events when Randy Couture was fighting, like, Chuck Liddell.

00:46:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:03.000 Yes, sir!

00:46:04.000 When, like, there was, like, one or two or three or four UFC events, like, a year, you know?

00:46:09.000 And, like, it was a big event, and, like, you dressed up.

00:46:11.000 You're like, I'm going to go talk to, you know, Rachel, the Hooters girl. 0.97

00:46:14.000 She was there last time.

00:46:15.000 And the thing is, and from my opinion, too, I think It's pretty bad because dating has become far more transactional.

00:46:28.000 And what I mean is from a financial standpoint.

00:46:32.000 There are women that are selling themselves. 1.00

00:46:36.000 I mean, really, the reality is prostitution is legal in America, and it's happening left and right.

00:46:42.000 It's just happening on Venmo.

00:46:44.000 It's happening on Cash App.

00:46:45.000 It's happening left and right.

00:46:47.000 The audacity of some of these women, too. 0.89

00:46:49.000 Some of these girls, I mean, I'm actually in the process.

00:46:52.000 This will be my last year in Japan.

00:46:54.000 I'm going to be coming back to the States, and here's why.

00:46:58.000 Japan is a dying country, and Japan's best days are behind it. 1.00

00:47:02.000 And when a guy turns 18 years old, you know which girls he wants to bang?

00:47:07.000 He wants to bang 18 to 24. And when he's 25, that doesn't change.

00:47:11.000 And when he's 35, that doesn't change.

00:47:13.000 And when he's 45, that doesn't change.

00:47:15.000 The demographic of men... 0.80

00:47:18.000 That want these girls in Japan is growing and the supply of hot young girls in Japan is literally running out.

00:47:25.000 So it's kind of gotten to the point now where girls are getting paid just to show up on dates here in Tokyo. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Like Sartain said.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, just to show up on dates.

00:47:37.000 Now, factor in the whole prevalence of the feminist movement being perpetuated at an exponential rate through these social media companies. 1.00

00:47:46.000 We have the largest amount of insufferable chicks at all-time highs, especially in America, because all of this stuff, and if you look at what's going on with the USAID, I'm not going to get too political here, but it's literally feminism and anti-male rhetoric has now been Documented to be funded by the United States government. 0.97

00:48:04.000 So you didn't have this back in the day.

00:48:07.000 Girls weren't always insufferable. 1.00

00:48:09.000 And another thing is this.

00:48:10.000 We're a couple generations down from the grassroots feminist movement. 1.00

00:48:15.000 And what's happening now is you're having women. 0.81

00:48:20.000 Divorce at an all-time high, and when a woman divorces a man, she's not sitting around saying, oh, your father was a great guy, and I just left him because I'm a psychopath. 0.85

00:48:29.000 No, it's your father was a terrible guy. 0.98

00:48:31.000 All men are terrible. 1.00

00:48:33.000 This is a bad, he's a bad guy. 0.89

00:48:35.000 He's, you know, you know, it's funny recently, too, when I was younger, and now I'm 39, but when I was younger, guys were normal. 0.97

00:48:42.000 But every time I talk to a girl right now, anywhere around the planet, I don't know what's going on, but every guy she dated is a narcissistic abuser. 0.83

00:48:50.000 Every one of them. 0.99

00:48:52.000 Every ex-boyfriend is a narcissistic abuser.

00:48:55.000 So either we have a gigantic narcissistic abuser problem with men, which is not the case whatsoever, but I just think that the indoctrination has really gotten out of control.

00:49:06.000 And when I come back to America, you guys got to understand, I see it from the outside.

00:49:11.000 I don't live – I've not lived consistently in America.

00:49:13.000 I've not lived in America since 2016, right?

00:49:18.000 The thing is, with the whole, you know, the single mother thing is really what I really think is really breaking America, because A, they're raising weak guys who either hate themselves because their mother is psyoping them on a daily basis, saying your dad is bad, men are bad.

00:49:38.000 And then you're raising young girls to hate their fathers.

00:49:40.000 So these girls don't even know how to act. 1.00

00:49:43.000 And then when they're born, too, and I like how Clary touches on this on his show, because when the women are born from kindergarten, it's like, you're the best.

00:49:52.000 You can be an astronaut and the CEO, and you can have babies.

00:49:56.000 You can freeze your eggs.

00:49:57.000 Women are told you can do whatever you want. 1.00

00:49:59.000 There's no holds bars, and men are just...

00:50:01.000 With every obstacle in the way. 0.81

00:50:03.000 You're bad. 1.00

00:50:04.000 You're toxic. 1.00

00:50:05.000 You're a bad little boy. 1.00

00:50:06.000 Masculinity is bad. 0.97

00:50:08.000 So in addition to that, it's everywhere now.

00:50:11.000 Like, it's in the movies.

00:50:12.000 It's in the dramas.

00:50:14.000 It's in commercials.

00:50:16.000 It's encroached its way into video game cultures.

00:50:20.000 I'm a huge gamer.

00:50:21.000 Wow.

00:50:22.000 Everything in video games is fake.

00:50:24.000 The Last of Us 2. The Last of Us.

00:50:26.000 Dude, I literally just talked about that on my show the other day.

00:50:29.000 Oh, the show The Last of Us?

00:50:30.000 Last of Us 1, phenomenal masculine character.

00:50:34.000 Ellie's a good little girl, loves dad, really shows a strong masculine character.

00:50:39.000 Part 2, everybody's gay, trans. 0.86

00:50:42.000 Oh, no. 0.98

00:50:42.000 Why are you virtue signaling to video game players? 0.98

00:50:47.000 Because the thing is about...

00:50:49.000 And it's also infiltrated comics and everything, right?

00:50:52.000 When men get rejected by women, you know what they did?

00:50:54.000 They went and they went to the Star Wars galaxy.

00:50:56.000 They went to the Marvel Universe.

00:50:58.000 They went to the DC Universe.

00:50:59.000 But even now, that stuff's being infiltrated.

00:51:03.000 The good news is there has been a gigantic pushback.

00:51:06.000 I don't see us heading into this dark future that everybody likes to paint out where we're all in this censorship, dystopian future.

00:51:15.000 Everything's terrible.

00:51:17.000 I do think that A lot of guys, like when Sartain was saying, guys are in the friend zone.

00:51:23.000 Guys, remember, guys don't put themselves in the friend zone.

00:51:26.000 Guys stay in the friend zone.

00:51:28.000 Woo! 0.99

00:51:28.000 Yes, sir! 0.99

00:51:29.000 That is a choice to stay there.

00:51:31.000 So I think, you know, like when they choose to be friends with the girls, I'm like, it's just, why would you get on a dating app and accept something you don't want?

00:51:39.000 You know, if you went to Chick-fil-A and you ordered something and you got a fish sandwich, would you take it?

00:51:44.000 You'd be like, no, I'm at Chick-fil-A. Of course not.

00:51:46.000 Right?

00:51:47.000 So why are you giving me fish sandwich?

00:51:49.000 But a lot of these guys have no self-respect because they're raised in a household, a single mother, and you have a culture that's consistently beating them down when literally, like, some of us here are on a government's watch list.

00:51:58.000 Like, people who are here are like, you know, this is the tax masculinity report.

00:52:02.000 Even Clary's on that watch list.

00:52:03.000 I'm not on that watch list, but I just think, you know...

00:52:07.000 It's an open...

00:52:12.000 It's open hatred.

00:52:14.000 You were before you are now.

00:52:17.000 It's open hatred, and it's acceptable in the states.

00:52:20.000 So it's just like the anti-male rhetoric has...

00:52:23.000 But I do believe we peaked.

00:52:24.000 I would say we peaked around the anti-male hate stuff peaked around 2018, 2019. I do see...

00:52:31.000 Yeah, when Biden was elected.

00:52:32.000 Yeah, because the reality is...

00:52:35.000 Women are literally getting back in the kitchen and putting it on TikTok and getting millions and millions and millions of followers. 1.00

00:52:41.000 Peak feminism I think was like 2018, 2019. I think we are kind of seeing the pendulum swing backwards.

00:52:47.000 I like to paint a dystopian future for everybody.

00:52:50.000 I just don't think that's reality.

00:52:51.000 I really place a lot of the responsibility on men because at the end of the day, it's the men who accept these terms.

00:52:58.000 If men weren't shilling out money and simping and giving validation and signing up for OF and all that stuff, we wouldn't have this problem. 0.54

00:53:06.000 So the reality is it's on the men.

00:53:07.000 We can sit here and cry about women all we want, but the reality is it's 1,000% on the men.

00:53:13.000 Okay, I apologize for my niece that's screaming in the background. 1.00

00:53:17.000 I'm going to go to Angry Man, then I'm going to go to Clary, then Rollo.

00:53:20.000 Angry Man, in your opinion, how has the dating market, the dating dynamics changed since you got into this community, since you started your YouTube channel?

00:53:30.000 Well, I myself, I'm no longer in the dating game.

00:53:37.000 But one of the things that I noticed is that We have this crisis of masculinity right now.

00:53:48.000 And what I keep noticing, which is really frightening, because when I first came into the space, when I first started dropping content and everybody else was dropping content, it was like a revolution. 0.96

00:54:02.000 It was like, finally, the men are waking up to the bullshit, right? 0.60

00:54:08.000 But now what I'm noticing... 0.99

00:54:11.000 As soon as the guys started dropping the content, dropping the knowledge, all of a sudden there was this pushback from this sort of gynecratic force. 0.59

00:54:22.000 All of a sudden you see women flooding the space. 1.00

00:54:24.000 All of a sudden you see women putting out content. 0.99

00:54:27.000 And it's really pervasive type content.

00:54:31.000 It's really content that I kept noticing that the guys are falling for.

00:54:35.000 Now I can't tell if the guys are falling for it because the chick is sitting there on the panel with... 1.00

00:54:40.000 You know, her boobs pushed together, you know, popping up out of her top or whatever. 1.00

00:54:44.000 But they just seem to be falling for it.

00:54:47.000 You know, like, they're falling for it.

00:54:49.000 And I start to hear guys use language like emotional intelligence and...

00:54:56.000 Oh, my God.

00:54:57.000 You know, and...

00:54:58.000 It's giving.

00:54:59.000 Yeah, it's giving and all of these.

00:55:02.000 And I'm like, what...

00:55:03.000 Like, I grew up watching Al Bundy and cheering for Al Bundy. 1.00

00:55:08.000 Real shit! 1.00

00:55:09.000 You understand what I'm saying? 1.00

00:55:10.000 So, to see how the guys are starting to, like, buy into this sort of pseudo-masculine male 2.0.

00:55:21.000 It's like they're trying to convince us that everything that a man has always been, there's something wrong with it. 0.66

00:55:30.000 And the idea that men, you know, men are toxic. 0.65

00:55:33.000 Well, at some points, men have to be toxic. 0.95

00:55:36.000 If they weren't, we wouldn't be here.

00:55:39.000 The human race wouldn't even be here. 1.00

00:55:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:55:42.000 So, watching as this happens, I just see guys, like, getting softer and softer.

00:55:49.000 Like, there's a small percentage of guys that's pushing back and fighting hard.

00:55:54.000 But I see a lot of guys falling for it.

00:55:56.000 And it's...

00:55:57.000 It's really disheartening.

00:56:01.000 It's really annoying.

00:56:02.000 What I try to do on my show is I try to focus on masculinity.

00:56:08.000 I try to school the guys on, look, man, we're men.

00:56:13.000 We're not supposed to be a watered-down version of what women think we're supposed to be. 0.99

00:56:20.000 Half the time, women don't even know what they're supposed to be. 1.00

00:56:23.000 So how are they going to tell men what they're supposed to be?

00:56:25.000 You know, as far as I can tell, that's what I've been seeing in the space, especially since there have been more women coming to the space, in addition to, oh my God, in addition to the guys that know that certain people don't like red pill content.

00:56:43.000 So what they do is they try to capitalize on that audience, making anti-rhetoric, you know what I'm saying?

00:56:52.000 It's a business decision.

00:56:53.000 All the time, bro.

00:56:54.000 Derrick Jackson type.

00:56:56.000 Shout out to Will Hitchens.

00:56:58.000 Shout out to Chris GQ Perry.

00:57:00.000 Shout out to Justin Baldoni.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, the guys that typically don't believe in what they're saying.

00:57:07.000 Oh my gosh, sorry.

00:57:09.000 But they're selling the women a lie. 1.00

00:57:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:12.000 They're selling the women a lie. 1.00

00:57:14.000 You know, you got the ace metaphors and I'm not going to name any names.

00:57:17.000 Let me stop naming names.

00:57:18.000 Chris Perry, the foot guy.

00:57:19.000 Oh my God, that is hilarious.

00:57:20.000 Oh my God, Jesus.

00:57:22.000 Yeah, you have that entire thing with those guys trying to capitalize on the situation.

00:57:29.000 But I will say this, not to get political like my man just said.

00:57:33.000 And by the way, you kind of triggered my PTSD when you started talking about Marvel and oh my God.

00:57:39.000 Don't get me going, though.

00:57:40.000 Don't get me going.

00:57:41.000 I got more to say.

00:57:43.000 Yeah, so, I mean, the only thing I'll say, not to get too political, make no mistake about it, when the election happened this past year, it was definitely masculinity versus the gynocracy. 0.99

00:57:57.000 Absolutely, 100%.

00:57:58.000 It was definitely, so for us to get that victory, I feel like, you know, maybe there's some hope we can push this back to the natural order of things, so, you know, that's how I feel about it.

00:58:12.000 Let's switch gears here because we're still good on time, but if we continue like this, we're going to end up running short on time.

00:58:17.000 This is the main question.

00:58:19.000 So we all know how we got here.

00:58:20.000 We understand, you know, what the Manosphere is now.

00:58:23.000 Over the past, I would say, five to six, maybe seven years, the Manosphere has really, really, the reputation of the Manosphere has really been sullied.

00:58:31.000 And it's funny because I mentioned this years and years ago.

00:58:35.000 Our biggest attractors these days are not just women. 0.70

00:58:39.000 It's other people who consume this stuff.

00:58:42.000 And I never have the chat up because it's just so much vitriol and hate.

00:58:46.000 People come to see the spectacle.

00:58:49.000 And I'm going to start with Rolo here because, Rolo, I think that you were probably one of the first people that I knew who was directly a friendly fire, I guess as we should say.

00:59:03.000 What do you think is the biggest factor in terms of the Manosphere's reputation being dragged through the mud?

00:59:09.000 Because obviously we're here to help men.

00:59:11.000 But again, it just seems that most men, at least in the chat and in the comments section, are here really just to kind of troll us when it's them that we're trying to help.

00:59:20.000 So what do you think was the biggest factor in sort of turning that tide?

00:59:23.000 I think a couple of things have happened and maybe this even answers your first the first question too at the same time is first off I think that a lot of the guys that are part of the quote-unquote Manosphere right now were don't know Any of the history of it.

00:59:39.000 If you look this up, it's actually a term.

00:59:42.000 It's a sociological term.

00:59:43.000 It's called temporal provincials.

00:59:45.000 They're people who don't care about the past.

00:59:47.000 They don't care about the future. 0.99

00:59:48.000 They just care about what the fuck's going on right now. 0.99

00:59:50.000 And they could give two flying fucks about who came before them, who's going to come after them. 0.99

00:59:54.000 It's all about whatever's happening in the now.

00:59:57.000 And so for this sort of new crop or this new generation of guys who've come into the quote-unquote red pill, they don't know who came before them.

01:00:07.000 Hey, no, I came up sometime in 2019, right?

01:00:11.000 And it's like, I've been doing this really since I can show you, I can show you the first time I used the term red pill on the social forums.

01:00:17.000 It was like December of 2004, right?

01:00:20.000 These guys weren't even alive back then.

01:00:23.000 And if they were, they were watching Fairly Odd Parents and Jimmy Neutron at that time. 0.99

01:00:27.000 That's basically what these fuckers were doing, right? 0.99

01:00:29.000 And it's like, we've been having these conversations. 1.00

01:00:33.000 For 20 fucking years. 0.97

01:00:34.000 And so when people come up and they're like, oh, man, well, Roller doesn't know about this. 0.99

01:00:37.000 He doesn't know about that.

01:00:38.000 I'm like, no, dude, we have had that conversation.

01:00:41.000 And they think they gotcha.

01:00:42.000 Like, everything's a gotcha moment.

01:00:43.000 Everything is YouTube blood sports right now.

01:00:46.000 Everybody thinks they're having a debate.

01:00:48.000 They're not really having a debate. 0.99

01:00:49.000 All they're doing is saying, you're a liar. 0.99

01:00:51.000 That's all it is. 0.68

01:00:52.000 It's not about finding truth.

01:00:54.000 Finding what's right.

01:00:55.000 It's not about finding what is correct and what is incorrect.

01:00:59.000 It is about you're a liar or people shouldn't follow you or let's see how I can damage your personal brand.

01:01:05.000 That's all it is right now.

01:01:06.000 And so people seem to think that the red pill started, I don't know, with Andrew Tate and Pearl.

01:01:12.000 That's when they think it happened.

01:01:14.000 And so that's when everybody just goes back, and that's their depth of the history.

01:01:18.000 And it started like two years ago.

01:01:20.000 So if you go and you look, I can remember seeing, geez, it wasn't even that long ago, where it was, I think it was Destiny, who was on Chris Williamson's show.

01:01:29.000 And he was saying, is the Red Pill dead?

01:01:30.000 Is it over?

01:01:31.000 Oh yeah, it's time, it's gone, it passed. 1.00

01:01:33.000 And I'm thinking, motherfucker, it has been around for 25 fucking years, man. 1.00

01:01:37.000 I've been doing this for 25 fucking years. 1.00

01:01:40.000 You have no earthly idea what you're talking about. 0.99

01:01:43.000 Fresh, do you remember this?

01:01:45.000 I know Aaron does because it was in March of 2021 when I was on you guys' show and you said, do you think the red pill is going mainstream?

01:01:53.000 This is 2021, right?

01:01:55.000 What was my answer?

01:01:57.000 I hope not.

01:01:58.000 I hope not.

01:01:58.000 I knew it was, but I hope not.

01:02:01.000 And the reason why I said that is because the people who are going to come into the space, there's going to be people who are bad actors who come into the space, who are going to be taken as authorities in this space and know nothing about the history and know nothing about the background.

01:02:13.000 They know nothing about Red Pill.

01:02:14.000 They just see it as a grift.

01:02:16.000 They just see it as an opportunity to build a personal brand on it.

01:02:20.000 And as soon as it doesn't pay anymore, they're going to move on to the next thing.

01:02:24.000 They're gonna move to social issues or politics or religion.

01:02:26.000 Rolo, you wanna call the anti-Red Bill?

01:02:28.000 Right now, right?

01:02:29.000 Rolo, you wanna call names?

01:02:30.000 That's what you're fresh, you gonna say something?

01:02:32.000 You wanna call names, bro?

01:02:33.000 What's that?

01:02:34.000 You wanna call some names?

01:02:35.000 He wants you to name names, bro.

01:02:37.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I've been naming names, but the thing is, is that, I mean, I couldn't name names then because I didn't know who they were gonna be in March of 2021, right?

01:02:47.000 So I'm just saying, look, I hope not because I was just coming out while we were coming out of an election cycle.

01:02:53.000 Right?

01:02:53.000 And that's exactly where we're at right now.

01:02:55.000 2021 was the first year after the 2020 election cycle.

01:02:59.000 Now we're in 2025. We're coming out of this election cycle.

01:03:02.000 And I agree with Angry Man.

01:03:04.000 I'm like cautiously optimistic about this.

01:03:06.000 I'm hoping things are going to change for the better.

01:03:08.000 But I also have to remember that things kind of come around in cycles here as well.

01:03:13.000 Yeah, and I think that one of the reasons why we have such a dilution of the message right now is because people have lost their way.

01:03:22.000 They just simply don't know what they're...

01:03:23.000 They pivoted to something, and they don't know what to do with themselves at this point.

01:03:28.000 And that's why I keep saying it's like, I'm...

01:03:30.000 I'm Rola Tomasi.

01:03:31.000 There's no way for me to pivot. 0.98

01:03:32.000 I can't fucking pivot out of the red pill. 1.00

01:03:34.000 I am the fucking red pill. 0.99

01:03:36.000 If I try to do something like, you know, social issues or religion or I try to do a fishing channel, people are never going to take me fucking serious. 0.99

01:03:44.000 Because this is just what I've been doing for the last 25, you know, 20, 25 years right now.

01:03:48.000 And, I mean, even Aaron has been with me for, like, at least since 2012. 2,800 years ago.

01:03:55.000 I know, like, there you go.

01:03:56.000 We're like Gandalf and Elrond, you know.

01:03:59.000 We remember what it was like 3,000 years ago.

01:04:01.000 Waldorf and Statler.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:04:04.000 Aaron's Social Security number is one.

01:04:06.000 But I think it's the biggest problem.

01:04:09.000 The biggest problem right now is people just – and they don't care.

01:04:14.000 And I'll tell you, the other thing that's going to happen, if you want a prediction in all of this, I think it's only going to get worse.

01:04:19.000 People are just going to move on to something else, and they're going to call it the red pill.

01:04:22.000 As I said even back then, I said people turn the red pill into their own sort of personal brand or their own – to be whatever their personal pet ideology happens to be at that time.

01:04:32.000 And for me, it's always been about intersexual dynamics.

01:04:34.000 It's always been about game.

01:04:36.000 It's always been about money, muscles, and game.

01:04:38.000 It's always been about – I'm hoping we can get back to a better message.

01:04:50.000 I'm hoping we can find the plot again.

01:04:53.000 Okay, Clary, so you've been, obviously, you've known Rolo for years and years and years, approximately 2008 years ago.

01:05:00.000 What do you think is the biggest issue?

01:05:02.000 My Social Security card is two.

01:05:05.000 Social Security number one and Social Security number is two.

01:05:09.000 So, Aaron, what do you think is the biggest factor in terms of the Manosphere's sullied reputation?

01:05:15.000 Because I'll admit...

01:05:17.000 A lot of, you know, some of it is self-inflicted.

01:05:19.000 Like, we are human beings.

01:05:20.000 We make mistakes.

01:05:21.000 We make missteps.

01:05:22.000 We do this.

01:05:22.000 We do that.

01:05:23.000 But in general, what do you think is the biggest factor that has really, really sullied the reputation of the Manosphere of the Red Pillars?

01:05:29.000 I don't know if I agree with the premise.

01:05:31.000 Has the Manosphere been sullied?

01:05:35.000 I mean, they were always all the death and starting right off early on.

01:05:39.000 How dare you say it about women?

01:05:40.000 You're always misogynists and this and that.

01:05:43.000 And then new people coming in and different schisms between different philosophies and all that.

01:05:48.000 And I'll be honest, I've just kind of floated above it because I didn't care.

01:05:55.000 That's very true. 1.00

01:05:56.000 Yeah, have people said some stupid things? 0.99

01:05:58.000 Like, do you guys remember just recently the guy who did AlphaCon? 0.99

01:06:03.000 In Utah, do you remember that?

01:06:05.000 He's going to jail.

01:06:07.000 $20,000 or $20 million.

01:06:10.000 $20 million, some multiple millions. 0.99

01:06:12.000 So yeah, you'll have people like that, or maybe you have people that say stupid things, or someone gets drunk. 0.93

01:06:19.000 The infighting, honestly, I'd say the biggest thing right now, and Rolo touched on it, is you got these posers who just got their pubes last week, and they're viewing the red pill. 0.98

01:06:31.000 As a money-making machine.

01:06:33.000 You're actual real grifters.

01:06:35.000 They've never had a real job.

01:06:37.000 They are Zoomer millennial, younger millennial type Zoomers, maybe even Alpha at this age, where I want to be an influencer.

01:06:44.000 And there's no authenticity.

01:06:47.000 There's no intellectual honesty.

01:06:49.000 And it's just clickbait and rage.

01:06:51.000 And we talk about this a fair amount of experience.

01:06:54.000 Yeah, no experience.

01:06:55.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:06:56.000 And so what I found is probably the worst thing now about, quote, the Manosphere is you have these, they're just actors.

01:07:07.000 They have no real experience.

01:07:09.000 Like I said, they haven't asked girls out of it. 0.52

01:07:12.000 They have very little dating experience.

01:07:13.000 They're just reading from the book, and it's taken on an effect of kayfabe theater.

01:07:20.000 John Fitch talks about this a lot where it's all about the money. 0.95

01:07:25.000 I don't know if Destiny really is a red pill, but there's the perfect example of a clown. 0.99

01:07:31.000 He is a clown. 0.98

01:07:33.000 He is dressing up like a clown. 0.99

01:07:34.000 He's doing clownish things. 0.88

01:07:36.000 Does he actually care about socialism and economic efficiency and dating and love? 0.76

01:07:43.000 No.

01:07:44.000 It's a money-making operation for him.

01:07:47.000 Whereas if you go back in the old days, back when Rollo and I were young and the cars first came out.

01:07:55.000 It was an original, authentic, hey, our experiences and what we're witnessing in the real world is not quarreling with what we're being told by our elders.

01:08:05.000 And thus started what I would call the largest meta-study.

01:08:09.000 In the history of the world, and that is men comparing notes in the blogging days, ancient as it may have been.

01:08:15.000 And every one of us came, you know, Mike is a cat or was a captain in the military.

01:08:19.000 He also was in finance, Rolo Marketing.

01:08:24.000 He actually played in a band.

01:08:26.000 Donovan, you sold mattresses.

01:08:28.000 I'll never forget the story about you just hustling and selling mattresses.

01:08:31.000 I was in banking and finance and modern life, John, he's a real nice guy.

01:08:35.000 But everyone had a job.

01:08:38.000 They supported themselves as men beforehand, and we came here out of an intellectual curiosity.

01:08:43.000 We're not here just because, yeah, bro, I want to do it.

01:08:47.000 I'd say that's probably if there is something.

01:08:49.000 That stands out.

01:08:50.000 I say that would be it.

01:08:51.000 But I even think, especially younger people, are aware of the fake nature of what they're seeing on the Internet. 0.99

01:08:57.000 Whether it's, you know, TikTok girls like, OMG, the guy didn't pay for my date and I was such a bitch to him. 0.98

01:09:03.000 I don't get it. 0.91

01:09:04.000 I think people are starting to realize the inauthenticity of what we're seeing on the Internet.

01:09:08.000 But that, I think, will digest.

01:09:10.000 And I just got to say this because you're like, I'm optimistic for the future.

01:09:14.000 I don't know.

01:09:15.000 No, give up hope.

01:09:16.000 Just give up.

01:09:18.000 It's not turning around.

01:09:20.000 There it is.

01:09:21.000 Be a 10 or go home, okay?

01:09:24.000 Save your crypto.

01:09:25.000 Okay?

01:09:26.000 Buy land.

01:09:27.000 And no, women are not turning around. 1.00

01:09:30.000 They're not waking up.

01:09:31.000 I have data that Sertain will say, you know, you look at girls, how many of them are still going to college?

01:09:37.000 Like, okay, they're down like 2%.

01:09:39.000 The majority of them are still going to college. 1.00

01:09:40.000 The majority of them, 85% of the time, are still majoring in dumb shit. 0.99

01:09:44.000 They're still choosing careers and ideology and all that over you. 0.99

01:09:49.000 No, I mean, yeah, there's some silver linings, but I would give up your optimism and play legacy video games there.

01:09:57.000 Hey, guys.

01:09:58.000 Before I go to fresh, guys, listen, we have nearly, oh, we've got Myron in the house.

01:10:03.000 We've got nearly 4,500 people watching across all platforms, just under 2,500 on YouTube, almost 2,000 on Rumble.

01:10:10.000 Guys, hit that like button.

01:10:12.000 It is the most important metric that YouTube uses to push things up in the algorithm.

01:10:18.000 So, listen, we have been joined by the great and powerful Myron Gaines.

01:10:22.000 What's going on, brother?

01:10:23.000 Hey, what's up, man?

01:10:26.000 I literally just got off the plane and came over here as fast as I can because obviously this is a very important conversation.

01:10:33.000 I've been listening to the conversation the whole time and you know that kind of brings me and I love that I came in at this point and this kind of brings to why I wanted to bring all you guys together.

01:10:44.000 We're a very pivotal time, right?

01:10:46.000 We saw the explosion of red pill awareness in the early 2020s through the pandemic with the meteoric rise of Us, Andrew Tate, Sneeko, Pearl, etc. 0.97

01:10:56.000 Where I know some of you guys are like, hey, some of these people are grifters, etc.

01:10:59.000 Which I could definitely see that argument.

01:11:01.000 But I do think when it comes to awareness of this situation, it's had a residual effect by benefiting and getting exposure to other guys.

01:11:11.000 Because as you guys know, we work very tightly with a lot of you guys.

01:11:14.000 We make sure to platform you guys.

01:11:15.000 Because I truly do believe if you become successful, you've got to bring up the people that came alongside you.

01:11:20.000 Which is why I'm so big on like, you know.

01:11:22.000 Making sure that we bring you guys on too because there would be no fresher fit if it weren't for a lot of the members on this panel.

01:11:29.000 But the other reason too while I was like yo we need to unite is because of this topic that you guys are on right now. 0.88

01:11:36.000 We have an influx of piece of shit loser commentary YouTube channels that do nothing when it comes to actually helping men with the solutions and becoming better and being able to take control of their life. 0.99

01:11:49.000 Instead they give Bullshit commentary with bad editing and jump cuts, right? 1.00

01:11:55.000 Saying, oh, these guys are toxically masculine alphas, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

01:12:00.000 There's an entire industry designed to attack masculinity by other men.

01:12:06.000 They're there to make jokes, insult, say that this stuff is all a scam, etc.

01:12:12.000 And here's the thing.

01:12:14.000 If you tell someone, hey, you need to go to the gym every day, you need to go to, you know, make money, become successful, you need to learn game, you need to understand that women and men are completely different and you've got to do all this work, most guys don't want to hear that.

01:12:26.000 You know what they'd rather hear? 0.98

01:12:27.000 They'd rather hear a loser like Abba and Preach, Anus and Reach, tell them, yeah, these guys are losers. 0.99

01:12:33.000 Like, they're over here telling you guys extreme stuff on how to get girls. 0.99

01:12:36.000 You don't need to do all that.

01:12:37.000 Just like, you know, be yourself.

01:12:39.000 And the reality is...

01:12:41.000 The masses are gonna go towards that.

01:12:43.000 Why?

01:12:43.000 Because human beings are lazy creatures by default, right?

01:12:46.000 They go but the path of least resistance.

01:12:49.000 So what they quickly realized was, if I can go after these guys and call them fake gurus or call them scammers or whatever it may be, right, and tell them they don't really need to sell proof like that, I'll get a hell bunch of views, and I'm able to clown these guys, and they're gonna come watch me.

01:13:03.000 But here's the difference.

01:13:05.000 You don't get better.

01:13:06.000 You don't make more money. 0.99

01:13:07.000 You don't get in better shape at all by watching these losers. 0.97

01:13:10.000 You think anyone is sitting here watching Moist Critical trying to get advice? 0.95

01:13:13.000 Is anyone watching Anus and Reach on how to improve their life?

01:13:16.000 No. 0.99

01:13:16.000 Are they teaching you how to fucking buy real estate? 0.99

01:13:18.000 No. 0.99

01:13:19.000 Are they teaching you how to lose weight?

01:13:20.000 No.

01:13:20.000 Are they teaching you how to understand the economy and make a bunch of money or invest in precious metals like Aaron Clary or whatever?

01:13:25.000 No. 0.99

01:13:26.000 They're fucking not. 0.99

01:13:27.000 Right? 0.99

01:13:27.000 They're not keeping guns out of people's mouths. 0.99

01:13:29.000 And the thing that also annoys me besides these... 1.00

01:13:31.000 Piece of shit bottom feeder reaction YouTubers. 0.99

01:13:33.000 A lot of people might not know this. 0.99

01:13:35.000 The Department of Homeland Security wrote a paper, right, saying that, hey, manosphere content is toxic, it's problematic, etc.

01:13:42.000 And they sent this over to YouTube and these other platforms.

01:13:45.000 And I noticed a stark contrast where...

01:13:47.000 A lot of these channels were getting pushed in the algorithm, you know, significantly.

01:13:51.000 And as soon as this paper came out, a couple months after that, there was a whole bunch of guys losing, you know, views, getting pushed in the algorithm, etc.

01:13:59.000 So there's been a concerted fucking effort, okay, to keep men in the dark about female nature, to keep men in the dark about self-improvement, to keep men in the dark about just becoming better in general.

01:14:09.000 Right? 0.98

01:14:10.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:14:10.000 Because people would rather watch idiots like Moist Critical, Anus and Reach, and these guys that make you feel good for seven minutes as they do their stupid editor clip, versus guys that will sit here and go line by fucking line on how to become a better man. 1.00

01:14:23.000 Now, the other thing too that I think is very important is that by me going into the political world and me getting into different spaces and dealing with different creators from different genres... 0.99

01:14:33.000 What I've realized is this red pill awareness is more needed than ever before. 0.98

01:14:37.000 Because as much as guys are fucking successful in different realms, whether it's politics or culture or some other shit, a lot of them don't understand women. 0.99

01:14:44.000 Right? 0.99

01:14:45.000 And let's just be honest here. 0.99

01:14:46.000 If you don't figure out women, you're never going to be fucking successful. 1.00

01:14:50.000 Because your inability to control your woman or your inability to attract women, it's always going to be eating at you and distracting you from what you should be doing. 0.99

01:14:56.000 John always famously said this, and I agree with him 100%. 0.99

01:14:58.000 If you can't handle this and figure out how to deal with women properly, it's going to fuck you up long term. 1.00

01:15:03.000 Either it's going to fuck you up in the beginning where you don't know how to deal with them and you lose all your money, like Eric Clary said, where guys spend a ridiculous amount of money early on.

01:15:11.000 Or it's going to fuck you up later on in life where you make the money, you become successful, you get the title, but you don't know how to deal with them, and then you lose everything that way, which we see with a lot of celebrities and athletes. 0.96

01:15:20.000 So this type of content is extremely needed because no one gives a fuck about men, man. 0.99

01:15:25.000 I'm here to tell you, even the men don't give a fuck about men. 0.99

01:15:27.000 They don't. 0.98

01:15:28.000 So the reason why I brought all you guys together, and I want to actually start doing this at least monthly, is because we need to galvanize under one.

01:15:37.000 And let people know that the Red Pill ain't going fucking nowhere. 0.99

01:15:40.000 Because there's always going to be a need for this shit. 1.00

01:15:42.000 And these reaction commentary channels make these stupid claims. 1.00

01:15:45.000 The Red Pill is dead! 1.00

01:15:46.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:15:47.000 You! 1.00

01:15:47.000 You guys aren't doing shit to actually disprove anything that we're saying. 1.00

01:15:51.000 You guys aren't doing shit to actually help men. 1.00

01:15:53.000 You guys are just sitting there trying to get your AdSense revenue, get some fucking bullshit thumbnails and clicks. 0.99

01:15:58.000 And we gotta fight back against this shit by working together, getting an algorithm, and actually helping guys. 1.00

01:16:03.000 Because the one tangible thing that we have that none of these motherfuckers have is we got fucking receipts. 1.00

01:16:08.000 I have... 1.00

01:16:09.000 Hundreds, if not thousands, of fucking messages of guys from all across the world saying they were going to kill themselves. 1.00

01:16:15.000 They had a date picked out. 1.00

01:16:16.000 They had a tree picked out.

01:16:17.000 They're going to do it at a certain time so they can look at one more beautiful thing before they died.

01:16:21.000 And guess what? 0.98

01:16:21.000 They didn't fucking do it because they ran into our podcast. 0.98

01:16:24.000 Can any of our haters say that? 1.00

01:16:25.000 They fucking can't. 1.00

01:16:27.000 They fucking can't. 1.00

01:16:28.000 So we need to go ahead and blow that up and all of us galvanize everyone like the fucking Power Ranger type shit when they put all the monsters together, the machines together. 1.00

01:16:39.000 But I'm serious. 1.00

01:16:39.000 This is what it's going to take to get over the shadow bans, to get over all the bullshit. 1.00

01:16:43.000 And we want to platform all you guys because this information is literally life-saving.

01:16:48.000 And it's not getting out to enough guys.

01:16:50.000 It's not getting out to enough guys.

01:16:52.000 Yeah, to Myron's point...

01:16:54.000 This is a business model that they're using against us.

01:16:56.000 It's because they know if you take their content, react to it, put it in a negative light, you'll get paid.

01:17:02.000 Actually, look at that DHS document.

01:17:05.000 It's all geared towards changing the narrative towards what they want.

01:17:08.000 Now, they know this is business.

01:17:09.000 So if I take their market share and demean them nonstop, guess what happens?

01:17:14.000 The audience comes to me.

01:17:15.000 However, here's the issue.

01:17:17.000 They're talking to men to make them laugh.

01:17:19.000 Me to say for like seven minutes, like Myron said.

01:17:21.000 The problem is that like...

01:17:23.000 That entertainment doesn't help any men become better.

01:17:25.000 So they just sit there, become lazy, and nothing happens for their growth.

01:17:29.000 Now, CJ made a video about the red pill itself and why he's dying and why certain things are happening in real time with creators.

01:17:37.000 And he's actually 100% correct.

01:17:38.000 He said, listen, we ourselves are fighting amongst each other.

01:17:41.000 For what?

01:17:42.000 For content and for some views? 1.00

01:17:44.000 Why are we doing this shit? 0.98

01:17:45.000 And this is why it's important because nowadays we come together and we act together as a unit. 1.00

01:17:50.000 We can fight this back in real time.

01:17:52.000 But then again, this is a business model for them to profit off of us and just laugh at us at the same time.

01:17:56.000 So that's what it is, man.

01:17:57.000 I'm going to go to MLD here next because, John, you and I had a conversation maybe two or three weeks ago and you said, do you remember when the Manosphere, the Red Pill, was sort of at the peak and at all-time high?

01:18:09.000 Do you remember that?

01:18:10.000 It was when we were all working together.

01:18:12.000 It was the Red Man Group. 0.55

01:18:13.000 It was waits and dates with me and Myron.

01:18:15.000 It was the collaborations I was doing with everybody.

01:18:17.000 That's when things...

01:18:18.000 Those were the golden years is when we all collaborated.

01:18:22.000 Now here in 2025, just like Arola talked about, there's a lot of infighting, people turning on Red Pill content creators because it's a business decision.

01:18:30.000 So I guess now the overarching question is, and I think Myron really sort of gave us a good foundation.

01:18:38.000 Working together, I think...

01:18:39.000 Is definitely the next step.

01:18:41.000 But in your opinion, in the world of MLD, how do we quote-unquote fix the manosphere?

01:18:48.000 How can we fight back, I guess, against the tyranny of feminism? 1.00

01:18:52.000 How can we get back to what we once were?

01:18:56.000 I mean, I went to Hawaii.

01:19:00.000 For the New Year's to rethink of everything and think about the next chapter of my life.

01:19:05.000 When I was watching one of the modern philosophers of our time, right?

01:19:10.000 That's Rick from Rick and Morty.

01:19:12.000 And Rick said something on Rick and Morty that really, really changed my perspective.

01:19:18.000 When you talk about saving the reputation of the Manosphere, when you talk about that, Rick said to a group of people...

01:19:25.000 Your boos mean nothing to me. 0.97

01:19:28.000 I've seen what you cheer for.

01:19:30.000 It has always been a massive group of losers and a small percentage of winners.

01:19:37.000 It has never been...

01:19:38.000 I think we're looking at the past of these rose-colored, rose-tinted glasses, right?

01:19:43.000 We're romanticizing the past when the reality is guys were simps back in the day, too.

01:19:50.000 I just think social media just shows more of...

01:19:53.000 The reality of human nature. 1.00

01:19:56.000 Women have always been selling pussy, right? 1.00

01:19:59.000 They've just like, I'll send you a telegram and four chickens come over, you know? 1.00

01:20:03.000 It wasn't like Venmo and Cash App.

01:20:07.000 So I really don't care what people think because if I have society cheering me on, I'm going to look at myself and be like, what am I doing wrong?

01:20:17.000 Like, why is this happening, right?

01:20:21.000 And the reality is this, too.

01:20:23.000 We're not losing, okay?

01:20:26.000 Robert Greene said something, and it's really important, and they think we should all wear this with a badge of honor.

01:20:32.000 He says being attacked means you're important enough to be a target. 0.97

01:20:36.000 Goddamn right. 0.98

01:20:36.000 Okay? 0.98

01:20:37.000 And here's the thing.

01:20:40.000 I'm recently looking at this whole USAID situation with the United States government.

01:20:45.000 Oh, yeah. 0.95

01:20:46.000 Literally, everything is fake and gay, and it's been funded by the United States government, okay? 1.00

01:20:52.000 Anti-male rhetoric, funded by the United States government. 0.83

01:20:55.000 The feminist movement, funded by the United States government.

01:20:59.000 Gamergate, funded by the United States government. 0.80

01:21:01.000 Yolo started this off in a fucking room in his house just writing on his laptop and then buying a mic and a camera and helping revolutionize modern America with us doing Rule Zero and whatnot moving forward. 0.89

01:21:16.000 From that point onwards. 0.99

01:21:17.000 So I'm really not too worried about anything because winners hate losers and losers hate winners.

01:21:26.000 We're never going to change everybody.

01:21:28.000 I love losers because you know the number one thing that gives a winner value? 1.00

01:21:32.000 It's a fucking loser. 1.00

01:21:33.000 So it's hard to be like us. 1.00

01:21:36.000 That's why everybody's not a millionaire.

01:21:37.000 It's hard to be jacked and shredded. 0.98

01:21:39.000 That's why everybody's fat. 0.97

01:21:40.000 It's hard to be getting a girl because...

01:21:43.000 You know, the majority of these guys choose the easier route.

01:21:46.000 Looking at this commentary channels that Myron was mentioning, looking at pornography, losing themselves in cheap dopamine.

01:21:53.000 It is what it is, right?

01:21:55.000 I choose to be optimistic for the future because it's my future, and that's the message I want to – I don't want to paint a dystopian future for the guy at home because these people look up to us.

01:22:06.000 And if I was – you guys have to remember, I came from abject poverty.

01:22:10.000 Nobody on this planet was more poor than me, and I have generated $10 million for myself and my brand.

01:22:16.000 It's a one-day army.

01:22:18.000 Okay?

01:22:19.000 So if I were to be pessimistic and negative, I feel like I would just break the spirits of the people who watch us.

01:22:25.000 But it's no longer about me anymore.

01:22:27.000 Now it's about we.

01:22:29.000 And I've been saying this for a long time, and Donovan, I'm glad you brought this to attention because we need to work together.

01:22:35.000 Because you know what?

01:22:36.000 The problem with men is the male ego is undefeated, and that's why they have all this infighting and all this nonsense.

01:22:43.000 But I am happy to say that we are being targeted because we are making an impact.

01:22:49.000 And guess what?

01:22:50.000 Once you red pill somebody, there's no going back.

01:22:54.000 They do not un-red pill.

01:22:55.000 So I will keep fighting.

01:22:57.000 This is what gives my life meaning.

01:22:58.000 I like to fight.

01:22:59.000 I like to wake up.

01:23:01.000 I'm known for one thing and one thing only.

01:23:03.000 The Masculine Empowerment Network and working literally every single day.

01:23:07.000 Since I started live streaming, literally every single day, I have helped and coach some guy with this problem.

01:23:13.000 You know, so, like, people say, like, oh, you know, so-and-so's entering the space.

01:23:18.000 This person's entries, they're taking away from us here.

01:23:21.000 They're taking away from us here.

01:23:22.000 We need as many soldiers and feet on the ground as possible.

01:23:26.000 We are massively outnumbered, and we're still making a gigantic impact.

01:23:31.000 We're all, I would say collectively, all of us are shadow banned.

01:23:35.000 I think a lot of people on this channel are demonetized, right?

01:23:39.000 They have been smearing us.

01:23:40.000 They have been trying to do smear campaigns against us.

01:23:43.000 But the winners of history, they were never on the side of the masses.

01:23:48.000 It was always the small fighting against the many.

01:23:50.000 And it always will be the few and the many.

01:23:53.000 So my message to the men at home is, what are you going to do with your life?

01:23:58.000 Are you going to sit there?

01:23:59.000 Are you going to roll over? 0.94

01:24:00.000 Are you going to just quietly die into the night?

01:24:04.000 Or will you stand up and will your legacy be you are a man who fought?

01:24:08.000 I know what I want.

01:24:10.000 I know what I've decided to do.

01:24:11.000 Like Rollo was saying, there's going to be no pivot.

01:24:14.000 There's not going to be MLD Gaming or MLD... Right.

01:24:19.000 This is it.

01:24:19.000 It's not going to be something like that.

01:24:22.000 MLD Crypto.

01:24:26.000 MLB Crochet, where I'm going.

01:24:28.000 So I'm going to go to Sartain, then I'm going to go Angry Man, and then Rolo, and then I know we're running short on time because you guys have got girls showing up, and then we'll get everybody's final thoughts.

01:24:36.000 So Sartain, again, you've been red-pilled for longer than you've been online.

01:24:43.000 In your opinion, what can we, as a group, as a collective, what can we do to sort of reclaim, not the glory of Rome, so to speak, but how can we get back to those golden years of 14 and 15 where it was blogging and YouTube videos?

01:24:56.000 How can we get back to that? 0.95

01:24:59.000 Well, personally, I think the algorithm is fucking astrology at this point.

01:25:07.000 Each one of us specifically doing the best we can, like what Myron says, the receipts. 0.94

01:25:11.000 I have 3,300 clients that I can look back to that I've helped.

01:25:16.000 Chris GQ Perry could probably not find one single person.

01:25:19.000 Will Hitchens, nobody's saying, Will Hitchens changed my life and made me better with women. 0.96

01:25:22.000 Not a single person is going to look back at Justin Baldani's Man Enough podcast and say, oh my God, I did this and it just got me so much vagina. 1.00

01:25:30.000 No one, zero. 0.89

01:25:31.000 So it's 3,000 to zero and I'm just one creator.

01:25:35.000 And so the thing is, I think the best thing we can do is just say, we're Brotherhood, and here's how the Brotherhood works.

01:25:40.000 Here's how it works.

01:25:41.000 As long as you're interested in male self-improvement.

01:25:44.000 Then you're part of our brotherhood.

01:25:45.000 That's it.

01:25:46.000 When you start criticizing, like again, there's things that, like Lucario and some of the Mode 1 guys, I don't agree with stuff they say, but you're not going to see me make personal attacks against them.

01:25:55.000 Lucario's my friend.

01:25:56.000 I'm not going to do that just because I might disagree with some of those ideas.

01:25:59.000 What these other guys need to do is they need to make it personal and then try to make fun of you.

01:26:03.000 So let's go over a couple things that Myron said, because I'm very much about evidence.

01:26:07.000 I'm very much about show me.

01:26:09.000 If you guys want to take a second, look at the video that Rollo and I did specifically over the Department of Homeland Security, spending $61 million to try to divert people from...

01:26:20.000 What they thought to be toxic masculine or masculine or terroristic organizations.

01:26:25.000 I forgot exactly what the term was.

01:26:26.000 But 700,000 specifically was given to a program called Divert Hate.

01:26:33.000 In the diverting hate thing, and this is in their literature, they were taking, they were running ads and trying to tell YouTube to divert traffic from our content to content like the Man Enough podcast.

01:26:45.000 Again, this is not conjecture. 0.98

01:26:47.000 I'm not some like crazy This is not Alex Jones saying crazy shit. 0.95

01:26:51.000 This is an absolute indefatigable fact, and we show you the documents in the video that we gave. 0.99

01:26:57.000 Your government was telling you that traditional masculinity was harmful.

01:27:05.000 That is not my opinion.

01:27:07.000 Your government was taking our content, and it was pushing it towards Justin Baldoni, the male feminist who ended up sexually harassing some girl. 0.68

01:27:15.000 Allegedly.

01:27:15.000 Whatever.

01:27:16.000 It doesn't matter.

01:27:16.000 The point is...

01:27:17.000 When you see this content, this is not some conspiracy we're coming up with.

01:27:23.000 This is a fact.

01:27:24.000 We talk about it in general.

01:27:25.000 Hey, YouTube doesn't like us.

01:27:27.000 We're demonetized.

01:27:27.000 I was demonetized for no reason.

01:27:29.000 I'll tell you, and I just got re-monetized.

01:27:31.000 Let me tell you something right now.

01:27:32.000 Here's the biggest difference.

01:27:34.000 And I've even talked to content creators who are politically liberal.

01:27:37.000 When Donald Trump came out and said, from this point forward, social media apps, we're going to propose legislation where they have to tell you when you're suspended.

01:27:46.000 And why you're suspended and allow you an appeal.

01:27:50.000 They cannot take your account away without due process.

01:27:53.000 If that is true, and I'm going to take him at his word, that is the greatest thing in the world for us.

01:27:58.000 Because like I said before, the truth cannot be misogynistic.

01:28:02.000 The truth cannot be bigoted.

01:28:04.000 The truth cannot be racist.

01:28:07.000 The truth is only the truth.

01:28:08.000 If I show data that shows that women have lower marital satisfaction, the more sexual partners they have, or if I show that data that doesn't make me a misogynist because it's true and you demonetizing me, all you're doing is demonetizing me because I'm not fitting your narrative.

01:28:25.000 If what's coming in the future is we're changing that, then that's what's terrific.

01:28:30.000 But then you look at like content creators, like again, Chris GQ Perry, Will Hitchens, Justin Baldoni, the fact that these people have these massive followings when the advice they're giving is...

01:28:38.000 It's anti-truth.

01:28:40.000 It's scandalous.

01:28:41.000 The advice that these men give to, like, be nice.

01:28:43.000 Like, you just met a girl.

01:28:45.000 Tell her how incredibly attractive she is when you first meet her. 1.00

01:28:48.000 That is fucking terrible, terrible advice. 0.99

01:28:51.000 And I can show you male model dating coaches on social media telling men, buy women flowers on the first date. 0.99

01:28:59.000 Make sure.

01:29:00.000 It is your duty as a man to pay for her stuff on the date.

01:29:03.000 I'm like, I'll pay for her stuff.

01:29:05.000 If I had a good date. 0.99

01:29:07.000 But it's not my fucking duty as a man. 0.98

01:29:10.000 My duty is to be a man. 0.99

01:29:12.000 That's what my duty is.

01:29:13.000 My duty is to protect the woman who is actually worth being a part of my life.

01:29:18.000 The woman who is worth being the mother of my children.

01:29:21.000 She earned that.

01:29:22.000 And so instead of what we're doing, we're teaching men the big tech.

01:29:27.000 The media, in all these different places, they're teaching you be more vulnerable. 0.99

01:29:32.000 The reason why women say be yourself is so they can pick out the fucking losers quicker. 1.00

01:29:36.000 Don't listen to this shit. 1.00

01:29:37.000 It's terrible, terrible advice. 1.00

01:29:39.000 Again, I have 3,000 receipts.

01:29:41.000 They have zero.

01:29:42.000 That's it.

01:29:43.000 So the thing is, for us, what can we do to get back to the golden days?

01:29:47.000 Not worried about the golden days.

01:29:47.000 As long as we improve every day, and as long as...

01:29:51.000 Those of us on this panel, make it a priority to help the men that we can.

01:29:56.000 Because I'll be honest with you, I'm with Aaron Clary, dude.

01:29:58.000 It's the Titanic running into an iceberg.

01:30:00.000 What we are, though, is the captain of the lifeboats.

01:30:03.000 Each one of us is the captain of the lifeboat.

01:30:05.000 The Red Rational Mel is a lifeboat.

01:30:06.000 Men of Action is a lifeboat.

01:30:08.000 Fresh and Fit is a lifeboat.

01:30:09.000 We are the captains of these lifeboats.

01:30:12.000 That's the best thing we can do.

01:30:13.000 Now, here's the other thing.

01:30:15.000 It's never been easier if you just become aware of what the world's doing to you when it comes to inflation, dating, intersexual dynamics, whatever. 0.97

01:30:23.000 If you just become marginally aware and just show the fuck up every day. 0.99

01:30:26.000 Don't eat trash. 0.98

01:30:27.000 Just avoid obesity, scarcity, poverty, and ignorance.

01:30:31.000 If you can just avoid those things, it's never been easier to get in the top 1%.

01:30:35.000 Never.

01:30:35.000 I'm 47 years old.

01:30:36.000 I've never had this many women throw themselves at me. 1.00

01:30:39.000 Never. 0.99

01:30:39.000 And the reason why is because I choose to not listen to bullshit that I see when I watch the movie Hitch, where I'm supposed to obsess over one woman or whatever. 0.99

01:30:49.000 You know what I do watch? 0.97

01:30:50.000 I watch Californication, which got canceled because that show was badass.

01:30:54.000 That's what...

01:30:55.000 That's what I watch.

01:30:56.000 And the reality of the situation is, the good information gets demonetized.

01:31:01.000 The good information, they call names.

01:31:04.000 Hopefully, because of this new administration, we're going to see a change.

01:31:07.000 I've seen a change so far.

01:31:08.000 Hopefully, that will be enough.

01:31:10.000 But for the rest of you, I'm not worried about a movement for all of men.

01:31:13.000 I'm worried about a movement.

01:31:16.000 For the men that we're talking to right now.

01:31:18.000 Because you're the only one.

01:31:19.000 You're just the Navy SEALs.

01:31:20.000 I'm just here for you 300 Spartans. 1.00

01:31:21.000 You're the only motherfuckers I care about. 1.00

01:31:23.000 The rest of them, they can go off and keep believing this bullshit. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Whatever they want. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Happy wife, happy life. 1.00

01:31:28.000 Whatever nonsense that they need to believe in order to be happy, they can continue to believe that.

01:31:33.000 I don't hate them, but I know what the truth is.

01:31:35.000 I have seen the truth, and I have too many testimonials for me to start believing anything else.

01:31:40.000 I know what the truth is.

01:31:42.000 I believe in red pill as it is a derivative of evolutionary psychology.

01:31:45.000 And in doing so, I have found nothing but good advice for men that has helped men, and I have the receipts to prove it.

01:31:52.000 Wow, well said.

01:31:53.000 I want to ask a question to Sartain.

01:31:55.000 This is something I've thought about in the future, right?

01:31:58.000 So we are – I mean I'm pretty sure you've got your eyes on AI.

01:32:01.000 And so eventually we are going to get to a point where there is an AI that will irrefutably tell the truth.

01:32:10.000 Yes. 0.99

01:32:11.000 I think that will be the irrefutable breaking point where people are like, listen, asshole, you're wrong. 1.00

01:32:20.000 Yes. 0.99

01:32:20.000 There is irrefutable truth. 0.99

01:32:22.000 Do you think that's going to happen?

01:32:23.000 Because like I said, also, we're heading into a post-scarcity because AI is going to get to the point where everybody's going to be supplied with everything.

01:32:29.000 We're going to have everything we need.

01:32:30.000 We can't suppress the truth from AI for too much longer.

01:32:34.000 My issue is not getting people who don't know the truth to know the truth because they don't want to hear it.

01:32:39.000 You can tell, again, I've debated flat earthers.

01:32:41.000 I'm aware.

01:32:41.000 People, like, you can show them all the evidence they want.

01:32:43.000 There's some women, when you explain to them, hey, you explain certain concepts to women, they don't want to hear it even when you show them data. 1.00

01:32:50.000 So people who don't understand the truth, AI, nothing is going to convince them of their beliefs, no matter what their beliefs are. 0.96

01:32:56.000 My whole thing is, I should not fucking be demonetized for telling the truth. 0.95

01:33:02.000 I should not be ratioed for telling the truth. 0.98

01:33:07.000 Ever.

01:33:08.000 For any reason.

01:33:09.000 And if I am, if YouTube wanted to come out and say, hey, just to let you know, we're all a bunch of woke liberals.

01:33:14.000 We don't like the content that you're producing.

01:33:16.000 And so because of that, we're going to ratio you. 0.98

01:33:17.000 I would at least have some fucking respect for them. 0.98

01:33:20.000 For at least being honest about what they're doing. 0.99

01:33:23.000 TikTok is the worst.

01:33:24.000 Guys, I'm telling you right now, I have so many female friends. 1.00

01:33:27.000 They have these scandalous TikTok accounts.

01:33:31.000 Every single one of them.

01:33:31.000 Every.

01:33:32.000 Attractive woman you know has lost their TikTok. 1.00

01:33:34.000 I guarantee you. 0.86

01:33:35.000 Find one homosexual content creator on TikTok that's lost their account. 0.98

01:33:39.000 Find one. 0.88

01:33:40.000 Find one.

01:33:42.000 One that has lost their account.

01:33:44.000 Find one trans content creator on TikTok that has lost their account. 1.00

01:33:48.000 Find a single fucking one. 0.99

01:33:50.000 I'm telling you right now, if you want to believe whatever you want to believe, whatever truth you need to believe is fine, but me as a content creator, as a coach... 0.99

01:33:59.000 I need to have the right.

01:34:00.000 I should have the right that if I tell the truth, I should not be demonetized and I should not be ratioed.

01:34:07.000 That's what I'm asking for.

01:34:08.000 But as far as like the AI thing, of course, the AI is going to get us closer and closer.

01:34:11.000 I love perplexity.

01:34:12.000 I think it's one of the greatest inventions I've ever seen.

01:34:14.000 Perplexity AI has changed my life.

01:34:16.000 But at the same time, even when I show the evidence and data to support every single thing, I crush people in debates using perplexity now.

01:34:22.000 Even when I do so, it doesn't matter because it doesn't feel good to them.

01:34:26.000 They're not my concern.

01:34:28.000 Yeah, John, I got to say, John, did you ever convince a woman of anything? 1.00

01:34:35.000 The idea that the Los Angeles...

01:34:41.000 The Los Angeles Fire Department was run by two lesbian women. 0.91

01:34:44.000 Again, truth means nothing.

01:34:47.000 Truth means nothing here.

01:34:49.000 It doesn't.

01:34:49.000 Women who could not have pulled me out of a fire are running the fire department, and then the whole city burns down because truth means nothing to those people.

01:34:59.000 But when I tell the truth, I should not be punished.

01:35:02.000 That's my point.

01:35:03.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

01:35:04.000 I think that they definitely will, though, get a large percentage of people in line because people in general are just followers, right?

01:35:12.000 I definitely agree because people just don't want the truth.

01:35:16.000 They want the truth that they want.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, they want to be lied to.

01:35:22.000 This is my truth.

01:35:24.000 I think that's one of the trends.

01:35:26.000 Also, in regards to TikTok, the America TikTok and the Chinese TikTok, Douyin, completely different.

01:35:34.000 TikTok is a psyop thing designed to socially engineer mass amounts of gayness and feminist and liberal rhetoric in America. 0.95

01:35:43.000 Yeah, mission accomplished.

01:35:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:46.000 Before I go to Rolo to close this out, Angry Man, I'm going to come to you.

01:35:50.000 So you and I, we have a very unique experience.

01:35:54.000 We both came up through, I guess, not came up through, but we both dabbled in the quote-unquote black manosphere for a while. 1.00

01:36:02.000 And the reason why there is no black manosphere anymore is because of nigga shit. 1.00

01:36:06.000 The infighting, the backbiting, the jealousy, the ego, all of that, it's just straight-up nigga shit, right? 1.00

01:36:12.000 That's what Ronald calls it. 1.00

01:36:14.000 That's what he told me.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:36:16.000 He does that on his burner account.

01:36:23.000 Shout out to Don Ozzy for lying to people in that video saying that that was Rolo's a burn account. 0.99

01:36:30.000 You fucking shame on you, dude. 0.98

01:36:33.000 That's Rolo's big book, right? 1.00

01:36:35.000 Nigga, what is it? 1.00

01:36:37.000 So how do we avoid the nigga shit from infiltrating? 1.00

01:36:40.000 Because nigga shit's happening, and that's why the Black Manosphere is no longer around. 1.00

01:36:45.000 And people are talking about, well, the Manosphere's done. 0.99

01:36:48.000 Clearly it's not done, otherwise we wouldn't be on this panel.

01:36:50.000 But in your opinion, how do we fix the Manosphere?

01:36:53.000 How can we learn from the lessons of what I like to call NiggaTube as it relates to YouTube?

01:37:02.000 Well, um...

01:37:04.000 With the black man, and I caught a lot of backlash when I said it was dead back in 2019. Yeah, because it was. 1.00

01:37:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:14.000 But my thing is, you can't fix stupid. 1.00

01:37:20.000 Like, stupid is stupid, right? 1.00

01:37:23.000 And with that whole group, it was always about who's king of the hill. 1.00

01:37:30.000 You know, who's going to be the...

01:37:32.000 The big guy sitting on the throne.

01:37:35.000 And with me, I was always on some, no, we need a coalition.

01:37:38.000 We're stronger together.

01:37:40.000 There's strength in numbers, right?

01:37:44.000 As far as fixing the overall manosphere, I don't think it needs to be fixed per se in the way that you're talking.

01:37:59.000 Because...

01:38:01.000 In my opinion, of course, you do have to weed out a lot of the BS. You do have to have a little more unity.

01:38:11.000 But it's like Thanos said in the movie Endgame.

01:38:16.000 Like, the work is done.

01:38:18.000 And it always will be.

01:38:20.000 Because once you start to affect the language, you affect the culture.

01:38:26.000 And I don't know if y'all noticed, but the language here that is used on a daily basis has literally infiltrated the entire world.

01:38:35.000 Yes.

01:38:36.000 Like, I'm watching Power, and Tariq St. Patrick is telling his homie he's acting like a simp. 0.69

01:38:44.000 Right, right.

01:38:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:38:46.000 Alpha, beta.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, all of that.

01:38:49.000 So when you are able to affect the language, and that's part of the reason why we've been...

01:38:55.000 This whole space has been so problematic for the status quo.

01:39:00.000 Because they know the power of it.

01:39:02.000 They understand the power of it.

01:39:04.000 That's why you've got... 0.93

01:39:05.000 I mean, even before they started with the Homeland Security stuff, you had countless people writing hit pieces and putting out these goofy articles and shit.

01:39:14.000 But at this point, the influence is already there. 0.60

01:39:18.000 It's not going anywhere.

01:39:20.000 Now, you still have to deal with the problem actors.

01:39:24.000 You know, you still have to deal with those guys that want to try to circumvent and revert the language.

01:39:31.000 Because there's a lot of guys that's trying to take the language.

01:39:35.000 Like, prime example, right?

01:39:36.000 And this is the most annoying thing to me that I've ever seen in my life.

01:39:40.000 What do you bring to the table?

01:39:42.000 Right?

01:39:44.000 The people that take that statement and run with it.

01:39:49.000 Have lost their minds and they don't even know where it comes from.

01:39:52.000 I was literally on a panel back in, I want to say 2017, where the discussion was being had where it was like, well, you know, women have broke the social contract. 0.98

01:40:04.000 And as long as they've broken the social contract, the men need to abstain.

01:40:09.000 You know, it was a MGTOW conversation. 0.83

01:40:12.000 It was like the men need to abstain until the women finally realize What it really is. 1.00

01:40:21.000 Now, if they come back to the table with something of value, then we can renegotiate the social contract.

01:40:28.000 That was the conversation.

01:40:30.000 And somebody took what do you bring to the table and just ran with it.

01:40:34.000 And so now it's kind of being weaponized against red pill content.

01:40:41.000 And that's the annoying thing is when somebody takes something from red pill.

01:40:46.000 And they try to twist it into something goofy because they don't know the origin of it or they don't know how to explain it.

01:40:55.000 And they just put it out there and then some leftard is able to take it the way they presented it and then flip it and it's like a, like you said, like a gotcha moment.

01:41:06.000 You know, it's really...

01:41:08.000 Yeah, they do it all the time. 0.99

01:41:09.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:41:09.000 That's what they all do, right?

01:41:11.000 If you look at any hit piece on this stuff, it's taking things out of context.

01:41:15.000 It's bastardizing phrases.

01:41:17.000 It's trying to, you know, infantilize women and their accountability. 1.00

01:41:21.000 That's what it is, right?

01:41:22.000 And the thing is that...

01:41:23.000 Blatant lies, too, Myron.

01:41:24.000 Blatant lies.

01:41:25.000 Blatant lies as well.

01:41:26.000 Blatant lies.

01:41:26.000 Right?

01:41:27.000 So these people make blatant lies, right?

01:41:28.000 And there's a bunch of commentary channels that do this.

01:41:30.000 And that's why I'm saying, like...

01:41:32.000 Because what I realize is this.

01:41:33.000 I don't know if you guys have noticed, the commentary channels have banded up together. 0.98

01:41:36.000 When one person drops a hit piece, they all drop a hit piece in fucking tandem. 0.97

01:41:40.000 It's like a domino effect. 1.00

01:41:42.000 One person does, ain't this a read, drop a video, then the next couple of idiots all follow the same shit. 1.00

01:41:47.000 That's what I'm saying, like, look, we've all grown, right? 1.00

01:41:50.000 You go back, what, four or five years?

01:41:51.000 Having a Red Pill channel that was over 100,000 was unheard of.

01:41:54.000 I'm looking at this channel right now, everyone here has grown significantly.

01:41:57.000 We got one over a million, we got several well over 100,000 closing in on a million.

01:42:02.000 Obviously, with our increased reach on the different platforms, etc., that's going to become more scrutiny to the level where the fucking U.S. government is now involved. 0.89

01:42:10.000 So what I'm saying is this. 0.99

01:42:12.000 I think something that we did early on that works really well is guys need to put their fucking egos aside, and we need to start doing this shit at least. 0.94

01:42:21.000 Once a month or twice a month where we do panels like this, bring everyone together, combine all the audiences, and really work together and deal with what's going on in modern dating, what's going on with politics, what's going on with masculinity in general, because things have changed drastically just over the past couple of years, right? 0.97

01:42:39.000 Things have changed drastically.

01:42:40.000 Yes, they have a lot.

01:42:40.000 And then real quick with what Mike said with Donald Trump coming in, Donald Trump signed an executive order on day one.

01:42:47.000 Saying, look, the government is not going to be able to collude with social media companies to censor America's citizens.

01:42:54.000 They require a warrant now.

01:42:56.000 Yes, exactly right.

01:42:56.000 They have to go to a judge.

01:42:58.000 That's correct.

01:42:58.000 Yes.

01:42:59.000 So this executive order bans them from doing that. 0.99

01:43:01.000 But I find it absolutely incredible that the President of the United States had to sign a fucking executive order. 1.00

01:43:06.000 A whole new administration had to come in to deal with this censorship bullshit. 1.00

01:43:09.000 And then you've got idiots on YouTube saying, oh, YouTube, the red people's dead, blah, blah. 1.00

01:43:14.000 No, it's not that the red people's dead. 1.00

01:43:15.000 It's that it's being suppressed.

01:43:17.000 Significantly by platforms like YouTube, by platforms like Meta.

01:43:21.000 Like, we got nuked off of Meta back in March.

01:43:23.000 All of our accounts, gone.

01:43:25.000 No explanation, right?

01:43:26.000 We got demonetized on YouTube.

01:43:28.000 A couple of guys here got demonetized on YouTube, or you guys have been shadow banned, etc.

01:43:31.000 Like, my thing is this.

01:43:32.000 I think if we launch a Forge Front, right?

01:43:36.000 Because we're already big.

01:43:37.000 We're all big already.

01:43:38.000 That's why these commentary channels talk about us.

01:43:40.000 I think we just need to stand in unity, though, and let guys know, like, look, we got a panel of guys.

01:43:45.000 Everyone has different specialties, whether it's economic, dating, culture, masculinity, holding frame, long-term relationships, etc., academia, when we look at studies, etc.

01:43:55.000 Like, we are impenetrable together because every base is covered.

01:43:59.000 All these liberal lefty losers that attack the RP, they always attack it from little side points, not knowing the facts or not knowing how well-educated or how refined a lot of this stuff really is.

01:44:09.000 So I think if we come together, right, we need to do this at least, and I'm willing to host it. 0.60

01:44:14.000 Or we can move it to channel to channel, however you guys did it with Rule Zero, Redman Group, whatever it may be.

01:44:19.000 The point is that we all need to grow together and put this stuff out there because guys need it, man.

01:44:24.000 I'm telling y'all, guys need it.

01:44:25.000 We can actually do this through StreamYard.

01:44:29.000 That way we can all blast this out so we don't have to choose which channel.

01:44:32.000 We can all blast it out on all of our channels.

01:44:36.000 Also, real quick, this whole topic is important, but we need to be smart about it because we have a community.

01:44:43.000 Each for ourselves, for our platforms.

01:44:45.000 We need to bring it together.

01:44:46.000 I propose we do an actual live event once a month, or maybe like once every two months, all together, either in Vegas, Miami.

01:44:54.000 We bring all our communities together.

01:44:56.000 South Dakota.

01:44:57.000 I think now we're going very far.

01:45:00.000 For all 11 of you that live out there.

01:45:02.000 Come on, man.

01:45:04.000 But yeah, I think it's a good idea, man.

01:45:06.000 Vegas.

01:45:07.000 Don't let him fool you.

01:45:08.000 Okay, last but certainly not least, Rolo.

01:45:10.000 I mean, how do we fix the manosphere, man?

01:45:12.000 I want to just, I'm going to read something here before I go too crazy.

01:45:16.000 So this actually was a handwritten note that was given to me by a mother.

01:45:22.000 I don't usually like to bring this one out because it's really kind of personal but I will it seems like it's appropriate right now.

01:45:28.000 I got this probably about Four years ago, I think?

01:45:32.000 It says, Rolo, I'm a mom of three grown boys.

01:45:35.000 Most of my best friends have boys.

01:45:38.000 Delivered your book to my best friend's son who was struggling with a breakup and depression.

01:45:43.000 It saved his life in more ways than one.

01:45:46.000 Since then, I have recommended your book to all of our sons to arm them with the knowledge and the tools to succeed.

01:45:55.000 Thank you for giving me my sons back.

01:45:58.000 Sincere thanks.

01:46:00.000 Here, but she actually had to hand this to me because she was crying that she gave it to me, right?

01:46:07.000 So this is like really personal to me. 0.85

01:46:08.000 So the reason why I keep this in my notebook right here is because that's why I'm fucking doing this. 0.95

01:46:15.000 That's why I'm fucking doing this. 0.95

01:46:17.000 Okay? 0.98

01:46:18.000 So when I was, everybody was saying, well, when Rolo was just sitting around, you know, typing out and having all these great conversations with these guys in the forum days.

01:46:26.000 I didn't make any money off of this.

01:46:27.000 I didn't show my face.

01:46:28.000 I didn't have a podcast.

01:46:30.000 I didn't have an audio thing. 0.99

01:46:31.000 I didn't have jack-fucking-shit. 0.90

01:46:33.000 All I did was talk about this, and all we did was have conversations about this, which then became essays that I wrote on the blog, which then became chapters in the book, and you guys know the rest of the history right here. 0.97

01:46:43.000 So, the reason I'm bringing this up is because we have had this conversation before, Donovan.

01:46:49.000 In the CME, in the very first CME, we said exactly what we're saying right now.

01:46:53.000 Not, like, almost...

01:46:55.000 Is what we've been saying.

01:46:56.000 We all need to come together and pool our strengths, you know, wonder twin powers activate, right?

01:47:00.000 That's what we're trying to do, okay?

01:47:02.000 And it didn't come together then.

01:47:05.000 And then we tried it again, I don't know, in 2020 or 2021, something like that.

01:47:09.000 I'm glad Myron and Fresh got their podcast off the ground.

01:47:14.000 That was great.

01:47:14.000 That was a big boon for everybody.

01:47:17.000 So when Rising Tide lifts all boats, fresh and fit, we're the Rising Tide.

01:47:23.000 I know that because it was myself and, let's see, who was?

01:47:27.000 Hotep Jesus and Aaron.

01:47:28.000 We were the first ones on the show in the infancy of the show.

01:47:31.000 And I knew that you guys were on to something great and you guys are still on to something great.

01:47:35.000 And I think we can still sort of dig this out from where we're at right now.

01:47:39.000 I don't think the atmosphere is dying.

01:47:41.000 I don't think the atmosphere is...

01:47:42.000 I think we're changing.

01:47:42.000 We always change.

01:47:43.000 It has always fucking changed. 0.96

01:47:45.000 In the 22-some-odd years I've seen... 0.97

01:47:47.000 I've seen it change probably five or six different times, okay?

01:47:49.000 But you know what hasn't changed? 0.98

01:47:50.000 My reason for fucking doing this. 0.98

01:47:52.000 I'm an ideas guy. 0.98

01:47:54.000 I'm the guy that sits down here and I hash stuff out.

01:47:56.000 I mean, Mike found me because I have a background in evolution psychology, so that was good.

01:48:01.000 You know, Michael and I are like kindred spirits, so like we do really...

01:48:06.000 In Mike, I see a lot of Pat Campbell in there, and I'm not trying to stroke his ego or anything, but I think that's why we work so well together. 0.97

01:48:13.000 That's why Myron and Fresh work really well together, because they're kindred spirits, so they can finish each other's fucking sentences, okay? 0.85

01:48:21.000 I think what we really need to do is if we're going to do this, I'm all for it.

01:48:24.000 If you guys want to do a monthly meetup or however it works out, just to sort of check in and make sure everybody's got it.

01:48:30.000 Yeah, I'm all in.

01:48:31.000 And I hate to use this term, but it's almost as if we need some sort of gatekeeping right here.

01:48:35.000 We need some checks and balances in all of this. 0.99

01:48:39.000 Because what happens here, and I'm guilty of this just as much as anybody else, is that we become our fucking personas. 0.99

01:48:44.000 Okay? 0.99

01:48:45.000 I am...

01:48:45.000 I don't know if you guys know this, but Rola Tomasi is not actually my real name, so I guess I better quit.

01:48:52.000 Wait, what?

01:48:52.000 Sharp is not his real name.

01:48:54.000 Mike's real name is...

01:48:55.000 Actually, Fresh was...

01:48:57.000 His mom didn't name him Fresh when he came out of the...

01:48:59.000 Really?

01:49:00.000 I don't know if you know that.

01:49:01.000 No.

01:49:02.000 And Myron?

01:49:03.000 Myron's not his real name.

01:49:05.000 Those are our online personas. 1.00

01:49:07.000 You guys have been lying to me this entire time, sons of bitches. 1.00

01:49:11.000 It's because you're the oldest. 1.00

01:49:15.000 I'm just going to finish this off here.

01:49:18.000 The reason I do this, it's nice to be paid.

01:49:21.000 It's nice to have the money.

01:49:22.000 It's nice to be appreciated.

01:49:24.000 It's nice to be able to walk through a casino and have four or five people identify me as Roald Tomasi. 0.94

01:49:29.000 That's fucking awesome, right? 0.57

01:49:31.000 It's nice to be able to go out and do Babes in Toyland. 0.97

01:49:34.000 It's nice to be able to do all that stuff.

01:49:35.000 It's nice to make a lot of money at this.

01:49:37.000 I have moved to Vegas.

01:49:39.000 I've absolutely changed my life according to my persona.

01:49:43.000 But we need to remember that there's a man behind the persona.

01:49:46.000 And we need to remember that our brand is not who we are.

01:49:49.000 Okay?

01:49:50.000 So, like, when we are talking, I want to talk to the man.

01:49:53.000 I don't want to talk to the brand.

01:49:54.000 Okay? 0.97

01:49:55.000 Especially if we're going to be real with each other, then we better be fucking real with each other. 0.97

01:49:59.000 So, you know, for all the times that we've been talking about how we need to sort of unite the tribes and everything like that, I 100% agree with that. 0.97

01:50:06.000 I'm just waiting for it to happen.

01:50:08.000 And so when we start becoming more about it's business rather than it's what we're doing.

01:50:15.000 Like, why are we doing this business in the first place?

01:50:18.000 Mike Scott.

01:50:20.000 It's the only business or it's the only group of guys that I have personally endorsed.

01:50:26.000 And the reason why is because it's ground up.

01:50:28.000 It's not top down.

01:50:29.000 It's like, hey, we're going to save the world and then all these guys are going to be okay.

01:50:32.000 No, it's each one tell one.

01:50:33.000 That's why I got behind what he was doing.

01:50:35.000 And because it was on point and it was on message. 0.99

01:50:38.000 And I think if there's one thing that will sort of keep us divided, it's losing the fucking plot. 0.97

01:50:45.000 It's losing the narrative. 0.96

01:50:49.000 It's not about this note anymore.

01:50:51.000 It becomes about like, well, you know, it's just business as usual.

01:50:54.000 You know, we need to get more people to watch the show.

01:50:56.000 We need more eyes on the screen.

01:50:57.000 We need more CTR. We need more impressions.

01:51:00.000 We need more of this.

01:51:00.000 It's not going to make any difference unless we're actually doing it for a real person.

01:51:05.000 We've got to be genuine. 0.93

01:51:06.000 We have to be fucking authentic about the message that we have. 0.95

01:51:08.000 Because as soon as we lose that, all we're about is just the brand again. 0.96

01:51:12.000 And then we just become our personas.

01:51:14.000 Then we become Ziggy Stardust, right?

01:51:16.000 We become...

01:51:17.000 This plastic, you know, toy.

01:51:21.000 We become this action figure that has nothing inside of it. 0.99

01:51:24.000 It's just fucking a Ken doll. 0.86

01:51:25.000 And I don't want that to be the future for anything that I've done. 0.98

01:51:30.000 I know that when I'm, I mean, other than Aaron here, I think I'm probably the oldest guy in the whole group here.

01:51:35.000 I'm not going to be around forever.

01:51:37.000 And I'm hoping that the legacy that I leave and the dent that I leave in the universe is going to be more about my books and more about the message and more about saving mother's sons than it is going to be about what my market share was before I left or how much money I had in the bank.

01:51:53.000 When Kevin Samuels died, you know how much money he had in the bank? 0.96

01:51:56.000 Four and a half million fucking dollars. 0.99

01:51:58.000 Did nothing with it. 0.99

01:51:59.000 Had no further impact beyond that.

01:52:02.000 And could have had more than that. 1.00

01:52:04.000 You have to stay on fucking. 1.00

01:52:06.000 Because if we don't stay on point, we're all going to go our own separate ways and we're all going to be our own separate fucking brands. 0.99

01:52:12.000 And if that's the case, then we're just going to do the same thing we did right after the CME and just go, everybody, hey, yeah, unity, unity, great, awesome, you know, solidarity, but we didn't do jack shit. 0.97

01:52:22.000 So if we want to keep doing this and we want to have some sort of, you know, union or we want to have some sort of cohesion together, I'm all about that.

01:52:29.000 If you want to do special events, if you want to do them in Vegas or South Dakota or wherever you want to go.

01:52:36.000 I can do them.

01:52:36.000 I'm all about that.

01:52:37.000 But we have to make sure that the message is the number one thing.

01:52:41.000 Because I don't care how many haters come at us.

01:52:43.000 I mean, it's great to have this united front and be able to defend against stuff like that.

01:52:47.000 But it's only worth it if we're all on point and that's the reason that we're doing this.

01:52:52.000 So if that's the case, then count me in.

01:52:55.000 I'm ready to go right now.

01:52:56.000 Well, I want to add something to what you said.

01:52:57.000 Because you mentioned Kevin Samuels and then Donovan and Angry Man were talking about the black manosphere before.

01:53:04.000 One thing, right?

01:53:05.000 And I really dislike to even say this, but the truth is the truth, and I kind of have to say it.

01:53:10.000 The reason why the Black Manosphere died, right, is simply because Kevin Samuels didn't put his people on. 0.92

01:53:17.000 I'm just going to be honest about it.

01:53:18.000 He became famous.

01:53:19.000 He blew up.

01:53:21.000 He didn't, you know, extend the ladder back and put his guys on, and it died.

01:53:26.000 That's just what happened.

01:53:27.000 Once he got into the mainstream, he didn't bring anybody up with him.

01:53:32.000 And that's the cold, hard truth. 0.99

01:53:33.000 I hate to say that shit, but it's the truth. 0.99

01:53:35.000 And for us, we adopt a little bit of a different mindset where we're going to blow up and we're going to bring everybody up that came alongside us. 0.99

01:53:43.000 And I've seen everyone go off on their own and build really successful independent channels.

01:53:48.000 Everyone here is well over 100,000, where before, that was unheard of in the manosphere.

01:53:54.000 I think from this point forward, right, sticking together and doing periodic podcasts like this where guys are able to comment on culture, current events, etc.

01:54:02.000 Because things are changing rapidly.

01:54:04.000 Every year, something new is going on, right?

01:54:07.000 2020, it was a TikTok boom.

01:54:08.000 2021, it was a pandemic and dealing with that. 0.99

01:54:11.000 2022, oh shit, Trump is going to run again. 0.99

01:54:14.000 Like, every year there's like a new thing going on. 0.99

01:54:18.000 And the thing is with the red pill, it's not just women. 1.00

01:54:19.000 It's the truth in general, right?

01:54:21.000 You can apply it to so many different endeavors.

01:54:24.000 And that's what I noticed was, you know, the one thing on the Kevin Samuels legacy that I wish he did was put on his people.

01:54:31.000 And he simply didn't.

01:54:33.000 He simply didn't. 0.99

01:54:33.000 It's just the truth and it sucks. 0.99

01:54:35.000 Maybe he didn't have enough time. 0.88

01:54:35.000 Maybe that was the plan before he passed away. 0.88

01:54:37.000 I know that he had something going on.

01:54:39.000 But what I will say is when he did those Nicki Minaj collabs, when he did those big events, there was no shout-out to anybody from the sphere.

01:54:47.000 And it kills me because a guy like Donovan Sharp platformed him like 80 times.

01:54:51.000 And he never shouted them out.

01:54:52.000 And I always was like, what the hell?

01:54:54.000 Right?

01:54:54.000 And I was like, we're not going to do that.

01:54:55.000 So I think, you know...

01:54:58.000 We absolutely need to stand united and do periodic shows like this.

01:55:02.000 One of the things that I just want to...

01:55:03.000 I'll give it to you in just a second, Mike.

01:55:05.000 But one of the things I really need to emphasize here is this, is that we wouldn't...

01:55:09.000 Aaron Clary, of all people, and myself, would not be on a DHS terrorist watch list if what we were saying wasn't threatening to them.

01:55:19.000 If it wasn't that important for them to go and funnel money through an NGO diverting hate to divert our traffic.

01:55:25.000 Divert your traffic, too, by the way. 0.65

01:55:26.000 way you're on you guys were on that list pearl was on that list aaron was on that list uh modern life wasn't he didn't make that oh he's not on the most wanted list like they were on that list right all these people who are on this list it's like and i need to stress the point that it's not the people who are on the list it's the fucking message It's the message that we're putting out there. 0.89

01:55:50.000 You know what they want to do is not necessarily take away your subs.

01:55:55.000 They're shadow banning us.

01:55:57.000 They're not even shadow banning us.

01:55:59.000 They're overtly banning us.

01:56:00.000 I don't know if Aaron has told you this, but we've had this conversation before.

01:56:03.000 He's like, have you seen your subs go down?

01:56:05.000 I'm like, my subs have flatlined.

01:56:07.000 His super chats have flatlined.

01:56:08.000 Everything has flatlined for the last year because of this and still is as far as I know.

01:56:13.000 But the reason why we are on that list is because The message is what is threatening to them.

01:56:20.000 They want to destroy the message.

01:56:23.000 They want to destroy the messengers.

01:56:25.000 The reason why they didn't focus on you guys and Pearl was because you were already demonetized.

01:56:29.000 You weren't a threat at that point.

01:56:31.000 Because the only way they can destroy us is financially and monetarily.

01:56:35.000 No, we've lost subs too, man.

01:56:37.000 It's like, there's been, and here's the thing, it's with everyone in this genre, I've noticed this, right?

01:56:43.000 Like, luckily for us, we've been like, you know, kind of saw this coming when building on...

01:56:46.000 We've been prioritizing Rumble.

01:56:48.000 But YouTube, absolutely.

01:56:49.000 If you're on that DHS list, they absolutely have done something to whether fuck you up in the algorithm, on the viewers.

01:56:56.000 People that are subscribed to us even tell us, yeah, I'm subscribed to your channel.

01:57:00.000 They automatically unsubscribe me, or I don't even know when you're live.

01:57:02.000 It's crazy, dude.

01:57:04.000 I want to say something real quick before we go on.

01:57:07.000 As far as Black Manosphere is concerned, I want to pull up some stats here.

01:57:10.000 So I want to let you guys know that...

01:57:12.000 The work we all did, me as a Hispanic man, you guys as African Americans, the work we all did from, say, 2019 all the way up into the election mattered for something, okay?

01:57:23.000 The Harris campaign, traditionally African Americans vote in massive blocks and Democrats.

01:57:29.000 They lost 10%.

01:57:30.000 Guys, the number of African Americans...

01:57:34.000 I'm going to compare 2020 to 2024. It went up to 20% from 13%.

01:57:40.000 Consider all the fucking messaging that they've had. 0.99

01:57:43.000 Dude, 41% of Hispanics from 35% started voting Republican. 0.99

01:57:47.000 The number of African-American men under the age of 50 that voted Republican was 30%.

01:57:53.000 When you consider how, for the last 70 years, how it has been ingrained for African-Americans to vote Democrat, how incredible some of these numbers are. 0.97

01:58:03.000 What I'm trying to tell you is what we did for five years fucking worked. 0.76

01:58:08.000 It did work because what we finally did was took minorities, Asian, Indian, Hispanic, black minorities, who had been brainwashed into voting Democrat for 70, 80 years, ever since the Dixiecrats. 0.99

01:58:21.000 Finally, for the first time, when they saw the Harris campaign, put Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion out there at a fucking polit—strippers up there at a— Fucking political rally. 0.99

01:58:32.000 Finally, African-American men, white men, black men said, that's not what I want in a wife. 1.00

01:58:38.000 That is not the campaign I want to support.

01:58:40.000 It used to be that Democrats were the party of the disenfranchised.

01:58:44.000 Now the disenfranchised are men. 0.77

01:58:48.000 We're the disenfranchised.

01:58:50.000 And so because of that, when you keep showing... 0.99

01:58:52.000 When I'm listening to Jennifer Lopez at a Democrat rally crying about the scary orange man, bitch, why didn't you tell us about P. Diddy while you were sitting there fucking with her before you started telling me about Donald Trump? 1.00

01:59:06.000 When I'm sitting there, Jennifer Lopez makes a movie about strippers robbing men. 0.99

01:59:11.000 I'm sitting there watching Cardi B, Megan Thee, Cardi B talking about robbing men when she was a stripper, and you put her up?

01:59:18.000 You put her up at your Democrat rally?

01:59:20.000 That's what you want?

01:59:21.000 Finally, men woke up.

01:59:23.000 And it didn't matter what color they were.

01:59:25.000 They wanted a good woman.

01:59:26.000 And there were two political parties, and one of them was like, how about traditional conservatism, masculinity, and Christianity, or whatever religion you believe in, Islam, whatever.

01:59:35.000 How about we support this idea versus the other one where it's basically like, let's just promote super high body counts and unlimited abortion. 0.52

01:59:42.000 And so we got to that point.

01:59:44.000 And finally, I just want to say, the work we did, it worked.

01:59:48.000 I don't care what anyone says, black men under 50, twice as many of them voting Republican, you don't think all the YouTube stuff we did had something to do with that? 0.87

01:59:57.000 You're out of your mind. 0.90

01:59:58.000 That's why it happened.

02:00:00.000 And so that was a huge, and I made the prediction before the election that massive numbers of African American and Hispanic men were going to switch their vote from Democrat to Republican, and that's what happened, and that's why the president won by six, seven million votes.

02:00:13.000 Yeah, and that goes back to what I said, you know?

02:00:16.000 Your boos mean nothing to me. 0.97

02:00:18.000 I've seen what you cheer for.

02:00:19.000 You cheer for Lizzo.

02:00:21.000 You cheer for Cardi B. You cheer for Megan Thee Stallion.

02:00:24.000 And it's going back to, I think what Rollo said is why we definitely need a gatekeeping situation with the Manosphere.

02:00:30.000 Because the Manosphere and all these content creators has kind of become like cryptocurrency.

02:00:34.000 And all of these new channels are like useless little meme coins that are diverting away and making people hate the Manosphere in general because they just have this...

02:00:44.000 Very, very, very bad overall messaging that they're just trying to make money from it.

02:00:48.000 That's the only thing they're trying to do.

02:00:50.000 And I have a name I'd like to propose.

02:00:53.000 I think Angry Man and Aaron would understand.

02:00:55.000 Actually, all these guys would probably understand it.

02:00:56.000 But we need to call it the National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood.

02:01:02.000 No ma'am from the Married with Children. 0.82

02:01:06.000 We need to bring you to No Ma'am. 0.98

02:01:11.000 That's funny.

02:01:12.000 Aaron remembers.

02:01:14.000 Is everything okay?

02:01:16.000 Donovan's laptop died.

02:01:18.000 Let me throw one overarching point in here that I think is very important.

02:01:24.000 I don't think you have to worry about the red pill going away.

02:01:26.000 And the reason why is that as long as there's a male sex drive and they're lying about the sexes, there will always be a call for the red pill.

02:01:34.000 It's not going away.

02:01:37.000 They've tried it.

02:01:38.000 That's why they're afraid of the message that we're sending out there.

02:01:42.000 But when men start getting laid and men and women are happy together again, then there won't be a need for us because we'll be telling the truth about the sexes. 0.99

02:01:48.000 But until you keep promoting this, frankly, feminist Marxist bullshit, where it's fun and fashionable to hate men and men are the oppressors, there will always be a red pill. 0.97

02:02:01.000 And then you're fighting human nature. 0.99

02:02:03.000 So I'm not worried about it going away, really worried about your legacy.

02:02:06.000 It's ensconced.

02:02:07.000 It's chiseled in stone.

02:02:08.000 And what guarantees it is that it's male nature.

02:02:11.000 I'm sorry, we like you girls too much. 1.00

02:02:14.000 So as long as that's here, there will always be...

02:02:16.000 And I wish for the day we wouldn't need it.

02:02:19.000 You know, like after they won World War II, the soldiers were like, well, let's stick around.

02:02:23.000 They couldn't wait to go back home.

02:02:24.000 I kind of like to get back to being an economist or some kind of...

02:02:27.000 Something else, but until that point in time, and I hope any government people or normies out there are listening, keep lying.

02:02:36.000 Then we will never go away as long as you keep lying. 0.68

02:02:40.000 Men's sex drive is not negotiable.

02:02:43.000 You adapt because it's reality.

02:02:46.000 And good luck in trying anything else.

02:02:48.000 Yeah, and the future of social media, if you've been studying blockchain, if you've studied people like Anton Antonopoulos, you know, we're going to get to a point where we're no longer in need of these big companies like YouTube and TikTok, where we are literally slaves to their algorithm.

02:03:02.000 Rolo is right.

02:03:03.000 We have, ever since Andrew Tate got arrested in 2022, and then Fresh and Fit got demonetized, all viewership has been down across the board, flat or declining.

02:03:15.000 Monetizations have been...

02:03:17.000 Taken away or minimalized.

02:03:19.000 Superchats as well.

02:03:20.000 And again, I look at that as a sign of we're winning.

02:03:24.000 Like, they don't attack people who pose no threat.

02:03:29.000 Like, the military doesn't divert troops to a peaceful area.

02:03:34.000 To like, oh, these peaceful people are a threat.

02:03:36.000 They attack a threat.

02:03:38.000 And we're a threat to their, you know, the rule of colors, the gynocentric social order, right? 1.00

02:03:44.000 That's the threat.

02:03:45.000 That we are attacking.

02:03:47.000 But again, Buddha said it.

02:03:49.000 Three things always come out.

02:03:51.000 The sun, the moon, and the truth.

02:03:52.000 I'm optimistic for the future.

02:03:54.000 You know what else always comes out?

02:03:55.000 Big Mo.

02:04:00.000 I think the worst days of attack and stuff are behind us, and I really don't think – I think we've actually won the war.

02:04:06.000 Like what Sartain said, what happened with Trump, it was us.

02:04:11.000 It was us leading the charge, all of us.

02:04:14.000 It was not – it wasn't people like, I don't know, the Better Man podcast or whatever. 0.98

02:04:19.000 I don't even watch this trash. 0.92

02:04:20.000 I'm kidding. 0.99

02:04:21.000 I don't have any shitty reference points. 0.62

02:04:23.000 But it was us who laid the foundation, and we're going to continue to lay the foundation.

02:04:27.000 This is just the beginning.

02:04:29.000 They had to lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate.

02:04:33.000 And we're still here.

02:04:34.000 And we're still here, bro.

02:04:36.000 Just consider how many of us that are here watching this right now, bro, and your government unquestionably doesn't want you to watch us.

02:04:44.000 And we're still here.

02:04:46.000 There's no doubt about this.

02:04:47.000 We can show you. 1.00

02:04:48.000 DHS had $70 million set aside for this fucking nonsense. 1.00

02:04:53.000 And we can show it to you. 0.99

02:04:55.000 Again, guys, go check out Rolo and me doing the Justin Baldani.

02:05:01.000 We go over step-by-step what your government did to keep you from watching stuff like this.

02:05:06.000 And there's still 3,200 people watching us right now in spite of all of that.

02:05:10.000 In spite of all of that, that we still want.

02:05:13.000 I want to point out some very important.

02:05:15.000 I know you guys make fun of South Dakota.

02:05:16.000 Do you know who's in charge of the Department of Health, Department of Homeland Security now?

02:05:21.000 Kristino, I'm your governor.

02:05:22.000 Kristino, I'm my governor of South Dakota.

02:05:24.000 So you all better be watching what you say about South Dakota and cattle and all that other stuff.

02:05:29.000 Well, none of us are legal, so we're fine.

02:05:32.000 By the way, Donovan's laptop died as well.

02:05:34.000 He's not here right now.

02:05:35.000 Oh, that's what happened.

02:05:35.000 But I think if we just keep doing what we're doing right now.

02:05:40.000 Time will pass.

02:05:41.000 I think Trump definitely is going to be on our side for free speech, an example of these platforms.

02:05:45.000 We can do pretty well and come back to where we used to be.

02:05:48.000 I mean, like that whole DHS endeavor is literally illegal now.

02:05:52.000 So we'll see.

02:05:53.000 You know, hopefully YouTube switches their thing because the thing is, even though I hate YouTube, I understand that it's a necessary evil to get people to find you.

02:06:01.000 It's a search engine.

02:06:05.000 So I think that was relevant.

02:06:08.000 So the thing is, is that we got to You gotta find the people via TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, these bot apps, and then obviously bring them to somewhere where you can talk openly, whether it's a paywall, rumble, Patreon, whatever it may be.

02:06:21.000 But the point is that I think it's very important that we need to reach more guys because over the past couple years under the Biden administration, there's no doubt about it.

02:06:29.000 They've stifled all of us.

02:06:31.000 And in 2025...

02:06:32.000 I've said it before and I'll say it again. 0.99

02:06:34.000 We're gonna fucking take over. 0.98

02:06:36.000 I'm going live every single day on my channel doing political commentary. 0.99

02:06:39.000 I want to go ahead and bring you guys as I rise up with me. 0.99

02:06:42.000 And we're gonna bring everybody up together in this space because guys need this shit. 0.96

02:06:48.000 Whether it's the money through someone like Aaron Clary who could teach guys how to be more economical. 0.99

02:06:51.000 It could be Roald Tomasi referencing the academia alongside Sartain. 0.99

02:06:55.000 It could be Angry Man who's able to touch the urban community and let them know that you gotta stop being dumbass niggas. 1.00

02:07:00.000 It could be John who understands the sexual marketplace on a world level. 0.99

02:07:03.000 Donovan Sharp, who's a great speaker.

02:07:05.000 Some other guys in the red pill that we want to bring in as well where we have these discussions.

02:07:09.000 And it could be, you know, everyone go live on their channel. 0.98

02:07:11.000 I don't give a fuck about views.

02:07:12.000 I just wanted to get the most reach possible.

02:07:15.000 Everyone go live. 0.99

02:07:16.000 We just do a big ass fucking broadcast once or twice a month. 0.99

02:07:19.000 I think the people will love it. 0.99

02:07:20.000 I think it will show unity.

02:07:21.000 And most importantly, you'll be able to have all these minds together.

02:07:25.000 And I think that's critical.

02:07:26.000 We need to do this all 2025. 1.00

02:07:28.000 People got to put their fucking egos aside. 0.99

02:07:30.000 And, you know, I think it's on us. 1.00

02:07:32.000 It's pressure for the biggest red pill YouTube channel right now on YouTube.

02:07:34.000 We need to unite everybody.

02:07:36.000 It's our responsibility.

02:07:36.000 We're going to bring as many guys to the table as possible and everyone grow together.

02:07:39.000 And we get this message out because we've been suppressed for four fucking years under the Biden administration. 0.97

02:07:43.000 And a lot of people don't know. 1.00

02:07:45.000 My stupid ass YouTuber saying this dumb shit about, oh, this is dead. 1.00

02:07:48.000 Blah, blah, blah. 1.00

02:07:48.000 They fell off. 1.00

02:07:49.000 There's literally legislation, paperwork where just like Sartain said, they spent $61 million to suppress this information. 1.00

02:07:56.000 Because a guy that understands his value is the most dangerous thing that can happen to a cucked out fucking... 1.00

02:08:01.000 There's your paper right there. 0.99

02:08:02.000 Guys, it is.

02:08:04.000 The Department of Homeland Security made this.

02:08:07.000 This is not.

02:08:07.000 Read Diverting Hate, Misogynistic Extremism, the Manosphere.

02:08:11.000 This is a document by the federal government saying the word Manosphere.

02:08:15.000 This is not me.

02:08:16.000 I'm not sitting there crying wolf.

02:08:18.000 Watch the video where Rolo and I take this apart piece by piece. 0.99

02:08:22.000 They were diverting our fucking traffic. 1.00

02:08:25.000 Mike, they had a whole congressional meeting on this shit as well saying how it's dangerous. 0.99

02:08:29.000 And again, the reason why it's dangerous, guys, because a man that has value and understands his value is very dangerous, okay? 1.00

02:08:37.000 Women aren't going to be able to manipulate him. 1.00

02:08:38.000 He's not going to be a simp spending a bunch of money on stupid industries that don't benefit him. 1.00

02:08:43.000 Like Valentine's Day, which is why we want to have this podcast on Valentine's Day. 0.99

02:08:47.000 A guy that is aware of his value is extremely dangerous. 1.00

02:08:51.000 So that's why they do this bullshit. 1.00

02:08:53.000 That's why you have these idiots. 1.00

02:08:54.000 That's why they go ahead and push idiots like Anus and Reach, Moist Critical, Filian, all these different channels that talk shit about the manosphere, all these different liberal left-leaning channels that talk shit about masculinity becoming a better man, self-improvement. 1.00

02:09:07.000 They push those channels because they want to keep you poor. 1.00

02:09:10.000 They want to keep you fat. 1.00

02:09:11.000 They want to keep you stupid. 1.00

02:09:12.000 They want to keep you sitting there, wasting time on YouTube, getting mindless fucking entertainment. 1.00

02:09:16.000 They want to keep you watching sports. 0.98

02:09:18.000 They don't want you to self-improve because if you self-improve... 1.00

02:09:20.000 You're gonna realize that you're living in a fucking dumbass matrix. 1.00

02:09:23.000 You're fat, poor, lazy. 1.00

02:09:24.000 That's why women don't want you. 1.00

02:09:25.000 And if you wake up and you actually do what you need to fucking do, guess what? 0.99

02:09:28.000 They can't make money off of you. 0.99

02:09:30.000 That's why they don't want you guys knowing this fucking information is dangerous. 0.98

02:09:32.000 Also, they were mad that Meyer left the actual... 0.98

02:09:36.000 You know, government as well.

02:09:37.000 They might be mad about that, too. 0.99

02:09:38.000 Let's get this nigga right now. 1.00

02:09:39.000 Yeah, maybe. 0.98

02:09:40.000 Yeah.

02:09:40.000 But, guys, we got to do it after hours with the girls right now.

02:09:43.000 Let's do the outros as well as the chats, and then we'll head out here.

02:09:46.000 Yeah, we're going to be able to find you guys.

02:09:47.000 And I'm going to coordinate with you guys behind the scenes that we're going to start doing this.

02:09:50.000 I'm telling you, I'm committing to this. 0.99

02:09:52.000 At least once or twice a month, we need to do this shit. 1.00

02:09:54.000 Oh, one more thing. 0.99

02:09:55.000 Community as well.

02:09:56.000 Speaking of community, we got to be an event this Saturday, actually, in Miami.

02:09:59.000 For guys on our network.

02:10:01.000 Learn how to be a better man, how to make money.

02:10:04.000 All of you guys are invited if you want to come, by the way, to this mastermind.

02:10:07.000 We're going to do a pre-introduction with a meet and greet from 11 to 1 in Miami, here in Brickell.

02:10:14.000 Then we're going to do as well a 2 to 8 p.m.

02:10:19.000 speech and engagement.

02:10:20.000 And then from there, from 9 to around like 12, we're going to do it after party, yachts, drinks, girls, all that in between, guys.

02:10:26.000 Tap into that.

02:10:27.000 Links are going to be in your login for Casaco Premium and as well locals.

02:10:30.000 Cool.

02:10:32.000 But yeah, I guess, Cappy, you can leave it off for your outro and then Sartain, MLD, Angry Man, and then Rollo.

02:10:38.000 Okay, just my outro.

02:10:40.000 You can find me, I guess, at assholeconsulting.com.

02:10:45.000 Latest book that might be of interest, especially to Mike, a mathematician, would be A World Without Men, an analysis of an all-female economy.

02:10:53.000 But more importantly to what we're talking about here, Subscribe to all of our channels.

02:10:57.000 If you guys could put our YouTube channels in there.

02:11:00.000 You can't see it, Aaron, but we have everyone's channels at the corner of their picture.

02:11:04.000 If your audience has 3,000 people tuning in, I just, and not because I want more subscribers, of course I want more subscribers, but I just want to see what the hell's going on with YouTube right now.

02:11:15.000 If you could subscribe to that and everyone else here, I'm just curious if I'm going to be hard-lined at 127. And if it doesn't go above 127, then we know for a fact something's going on.

02:11:27.000 But otherwise, yeah, that's basically it.

02:11:30.000 You can find me at my channel and find out a ton of the stuff I have done written.

02:11:35.000 Oh, and I officially have published my book.

02:11:37.000 That means I have written more books than I have read.

02:11:40.000 So I now have written more books than I have read, and I'll tell you guys about that later.

02:11:45.000 Awesome.

02:11:45.000 Good stuff, Aaron.

02:11:46.000 Michael.

02:11:47.000 Yeah, guys, if you've ever been in discussions like the ones we're having now with people who don't think the same way you do, and you have trouble, like a lot of times you know what you're saying is true, but you don't know how to back it up statistically or with data.

02:12:00.000 Come check out my channel.

02:12:02.000 Go to Michael Sartain on YouTube.

02:12:04.000 This is what I specialize in.

02:12:05.000 I'm going to give you the actual data, evolutionary psychology studies, and studies from the U.S. Census data and different places like that, showing that the crisis in dating is real, the crisis in the economy is real, all these different things that we're discussing.

02:12:19.000 We have logical reasons for why these things are coming.

02:12:22.000 Also, if you guys, the other thing I teach is Social Circle.

02:12:25.000 I'm probably the number one Social Circle coach in the world.

02:12:28.000 If you guys want to learn more about Social Circle, how to throw parties where there's like seven guys, seven girls for every guy, and just date a lot of beautiful women, I've got the receipts.

02:12:37.000 You guys are welcome to check me out.

02:12:38.000 Go to moamentoring.com forward slash testimonials, and you'll see 200 testimonials of guys whose social lives I've changed for the better.

02:12:46.000 Like I said before, if you guys want to listen to these blue pill people who try to give you advice.

02:12:51.000 Show me the people they've helped.

02:12:52.000 They should have testimonials.

02:12:54.000 I have testimonials, and I'm willing to show them to you.

02:12:56.000 So make sure you guys check me out.

02:12:57.000 Also, Mike is a real deal.

02:12:58.000 We've been to Vegas a bunch of times.

02:12:59.000 He is the guy for Social Circle Game and the club, How to Maneuver, and Ladies.

02:13:04.000 Go check him out.

02:13:05.000 MLG, go ahead, bro.

02:13:07.000 Just check me out on YouTube, Modern Life Dating.

02:13:09.000 I just want to say I commend everybody for watching us here.

02:13:13.000 I know it's a Friday night, and you could be doing a lot of things, but thank you all for watching me.

02:13:17.000 I'm about to go live right now on my channel for Free Consultation Friday.

02:13:22.000 I've been doing that consistently since 2019, so if you want to get free help from me right now, I'm about to go live.

02:13:28.000 Subscribe to my channel.

02:13:30.000 Come on over.

02:13:31.000 You can pop on StreamYard.

02:13:34.000 The amount of brands that came through me, it was fresh and fresh.

02:13:38.000 It started through some of my...

02:13:39.000 My consultations and my work with me throughout 2019 and 2020. The legal mindset.

02:13:45.000 I mean, both of Justin Baller's top interns, graduates from the Masculine Empowerment Network.

02:13:50.000 I mean, the list goes on and on and on.

02:13:52.000 So if you're a guy who's like me, you came from nothing, you were just an average guy.

02:13:56.000 And you want to have a dating life.

02:13:58.000 You want to have an above-average dating life.

02:14:00.000 You want to have your finances in order.

02:14:02.000 You want to have a plan, and you don't want to just be drowned in this sea of hopelessness that everybody likes to paint just for clicks and views.

02:14:09.000 Come on over.

02:14:10.000 I got you.

02:14:10.000 I'll sort you out.

02:14:11.000 John, can you put your link in the chat?

02:14:13.000 Put your link in the chat so guys can go over to that stream right after this one if you could throw your link in the chat, please.

02:14:18.000 So, guys, after the instruments, go to Modern Life Dating right now.

02:14:21.000 Go check him out.

02:14:22.000 He was instrumental in us starting Fresh and Fit.

02:14:24.000 There would be no Fresh and Fit without John, so go support him.

02:14:27.000 We're not going to be live for another, like, 40 minutes or so, so please go watch John on Modern Life Dating. 0.99

02:14:31.000 Get some fucking help. 0.99

02:14:32.000 Some of you niggas need it anyway. 1.00

02:14:33.000 Also, he knows how to make a lot of money, too.

02:14:35.000 Yeah, so go check out John.

02:14:37.000 He's going to drop the link in the chat.

02:14:38.000 We'll pin it for you guys.

02:14:39.000 Go watch him when he goes live here after this stream, please.

02:14:42.000 And Angry Man, I don't know you too well, but you got a lot to say, man.

02:14:45.000 A lot of knowledge, a lot of wisdom.

02:14:46.000 So let's hear your outro, bro.

02:14:49.000 Yeah, man.

02:14:50.000 So you guys can check me out on YouTube.

02:14:53.000 Pretty much any social media.

02:14:55.000 If you just look up the Angry Man, usually I'll come up.

02:14:59.000 Also, over on my channel, you know, we occasionally talk about masculinity, things that actually help men out.

02:15:06.000 As far as navigating the modern world, we've been doing a lot of conservative political talk lately because I feel like that's something that is sorely needed.

02:15:16.000 We need more conservative dudes and less liberal dudes.

02:15:20.000 In addition to that, you guys can check out my book.

02:15:23.000 I actually have a book, The Angry Man Standard, which is basically for guys that want long-term relationships, but they want...

02:15:29.000 A more traditional relationship that basically teaches them how to vet the women they want to deal with, make sure that the women that they want to deal with are on their program before they get into anything serious.

02:15:40.000 That book is available on Amazon.

02:15:41.000 All you have to do is type The Angry Man Standard in the Amazon search bar and it'll come up.

02:15:46.000 Other than that, man, y'all can check me out on YouTube.

02:15:49.000 Also, guys, go check out Angry Man.

02:15:51.000 He has a channel on Rumble as well.

02:15:52.000 Me and him had a very in-depth conversation a couple of nights ago where we went into politics, JFK. We talked about the black community and feminism, Kendrick Lamar, Super Bowl, Wyatt Flop.

02:16:04.000 We went to a bunch of different political and cultural topics.

02:16:07.000 Please go check it out.

02:16:08.000 It was a great discussion me and Angry Man had.

02:16:10.000 It's on his Rumble channel.

02:16:12.000 I'll also post it on my stuff as well so that you guys can find him.

02:16:15.000 But guys, go please check out that interview.

02:16:17.000 It was a great discussion with Angry Man.

02:16:18.000 And Rolo, last but not least.

02:16:20.000 Well, you can find me on The Rational Mail.

02:16:22.000 You guys already know that.

02:16:23.000 I do one show a week.

02:16:25.000 It's about a three or four hour show.

02:16:29.000 Seven hour show.

02:16:32.000 I do it at 1 p.m.

02:16:33.000 Pacific, 4 p.m.

02:16:34.000 Eastern every Sunday.

02:16:35.000 I also do this great show called Access Vegas with Mr. Michael Carr.

02:16:39.000 February 27th?

02:16:41.000 Yes, February 27th will be our next one.

02:16:44.000 We do it every other Thursday.

02:16:45.000 We do a panel show, not unlike the girls show you're about to watch.

02:16:50.000 So we do that.

02:16:51.000 I also have a program called Reignite.

02:16:54.000 And Reignite is specifically targeted on guys rebuilding their lives after being zeroed out.

02:17:03.000 Mike has described this as Mike runs offense and I run defense.

02:17:08.000 I'm the defensive coordinator and he's the offensive coordinator when it comes to our partnership and our teamwork.

02:17:14.000 So I am here to sort of help you unfuck your life and to keep the gun out of your mouth and the noose off your neck after a nasty divorce.

02:17:21.000 Or if you're just trying to simply figure out what it is that you want to do with yourself, just go check out Reignite Alpha.

02:17:27.000 I just put that there in the chat.

02:17:29.000 That is my sort of new program that I'm doing with the new community.

02:17:33.000 But we go and do events and stuff.

02:17:34.000 We go to Babes in Toyland.

02:17:36.000 We've got some stuff coming up in Miami in May.

02:17:39.000 So check that out and you'll see what my new program stuff is.

02:17:43.000 I'm working on a new book, but if you want to get on any of my other books, all five of them are available on Amazon.

02:17:49.000 And if you'd like to talk to me privately or just DM me, I'm available on Twitter and I'm available on Instagram.

02:17:57.000 So there you go.

02:17:57.000 This is what we're going to do.

02:17:58.000 Can you drop his Amazon link real quick in the chat, all of his books?

02:18:01.000 Because I do think people need to go and read that.

02:18:03.000 Obviously, everyone go check out.

02:18:04.000 MLD is going to go live right now.

02:18:07.000 Rola, I didn't know that you had this program, man.

02:18:09.000 We should have you on and talk about how guys need to...

02:18:12.000 Because I think that'd be a fantastic episode.

02:18:13.000 It'll be one of the Red Pill Stable videos.

02:18:15.000 I saw a need for it because there's so much going on as far as, like, you know, male suicide is at an all-time high, and especially after, like, a nasty divorce.

02:18:22.000 That really was the germ of the idea, but then everybody else wanted to get in on that, too, and say, you know, I need help.

02:18:27.000 Help me get my life back together.

02:18:29.000 Help me come back from...

02:18:31.000 Fight back from zero and being a zero now.

02:18:33.000 You guys said you got access to Vegas on the 27th?

02:18:35.000 Yeah, 27th of February.

02:18:37.000 Alright, maybe we'll go out there and we'll do something with you guys, then we'll do an episode with you talking about that thing.

02:18:43.000 We are always welcome a red one. 0.88

02:18:46.000 Alright, we'll work some out because I like that because we've never done an episode on how a guy can rebuild after a divorce.

02:18:52.000 We haven't done that yet.

02:18:53.000 Yeah, only how to avoid it.

02:18:55.000 Only how to avoid it, but we never talked about how to actually rebuild after, so I think that'll be fantastic.

02:18:59.000 Guys, please go follow everyone on this panel.

02:19:01.000 Go get Aaron Clary's books.

02:19:03.000 A World Without Men is actually really good, Aaron.

02:19:05.000 I actually bought it the other day, and I listened to it.

02:19:06.000 It was fantastic.

02:19:07.000 Cool.

02:19:07.000 Thanks, man.

02:19:08.000 Go check out Sartain.

02:19:10.000 Go check out Anchorman.

02:19:10.000 We did a fantastic interview.

02:19:12.000 Go check his Rumble out and his YouTube, and then go follow John on his stream that he's going to do right now.

02:19:16.000 And real quick...

02:19:17.000 We got some chats over there from the very beginning.

02:19:19.000 We'll read them at the top of the next show.

02:19:21.000 Guys, we're going to read them at the top of the next show, guys, because we got to get going here. 0.98

02:19:25.000 Chris is getting this shit going, and these guys got to go. 0.98

02:19:28.000 So, alright. 0.99

02:19:30.000 Yeah, well, do we have them saved or no?

02:19:32.000 Can we save them?

02:19:33.000 We'll have them saved?

02:19:35.000 Or we could let these guys go, then we read it.

02:19:37.000 That way they're not stuck on the stream.

02:19:40.000 We'll see you guys next month.

02:19:41.000 We'll catch you guys.

02:19:42.000 Thanks for having us, guys.

02:19:43.000 Alright, later.

02:19:44.000 We'll do that.

02:19:45.000 Because I don't want to keep them here while we read them.

02:19:47.000 You know what I mean?

02:19:48.000 Alright, later, John.

02:19:49.000 We're going to get off here in a second after we read these.

02:19:52.000 Cool.

02:19:53.000 Okay.

02:19:54.000 First one, boss.

02:19:55.000 Yeah, we'll read them real quick.

02:19:57.000 Albo Ace. 0.51

02:19:58.000 $100.

02:19:58.000 Don DeMarco.

02:19:59.000 Shout out to you, Albo. 1.00

02:20:02.000 I think big WRP Avengers, we definitely need more of these shows, especially if they would be live.

02:20:07.000 I would definitely pull up.

02:20:08.000 I keep leading from the front, gentlemen.

02:20:10.000 All of your guys' work is very important for all of us. 0.99

02:20:12.000 Let's do the damn thing. 0.99

02:20:13.000 Alright? 1.00

02:20:14.000 Cool, cool, cool.

02:20:18.000 Uh...

02:20:19.000 Demetrius Raps?

02:20:19.000 Yo, Myron, I don't know if you've seen, but you made the Drix album.

02:20:23.000 Go to the song Glorious.

02:20:24.000 Go to 53 seconds.

02:20:25.000 Can you react to it?

02:20:26.000 It's live.

02:20:27.000 It's a 4 second bit.

02:20:28.000 So I don't think that's copyright worthy.

02:20:30.000 Also, every big YouTuber reaction is on the page.

02:20:32.000 And it's your voice.

02:20:33.000 I'm 99% sure that's you even the laugh WFNF. I don't think so.

02:20:39.000 I think that's the guy that interviewed Ice Spice, if I'm correct.

02:20:41.000 But it's funny because he's almost kind of like Myron.

02:20:44.000 But it's funny though.

02:20:47.000 Knowing Drake, he...

02:20:47.000 What's the name of the song?

02:20:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:50.000 Yeah, knowing Drake, he ain't doing that shit. 0.99

02:20:53.000 JJ Inc. 0.99

02:20:54.000 Respected OGs who built the foundation so FNF can thrive.

02:20:57.000 So from the UK Brotherhood, shout out to you. 0.68

02:20:59.000 Your boy Lem.

02:21:00.000 Speaking of girls, if you just saw this video on YouTube today, and I can't believe what I saw.

02:21:05.000 A girl fighting a guy in Muay Thai fight.

02:21:07.000 It was crazy, so here's a link.

02:21:09.000 Okay.

02:21:10.000 Brett Wasika.

02:21:11.000 We have to Aikido Daogo.

02:21:12.000 That is true.

02:21:15.000 Shiva Yarwan says...

02:21:16.000 Don't you think that blaming this on the simps when it really is all these laws that are wildly pro-women and anti-men are causing all these problems?

02:21:24.000 Bro.

02:21:25.000 Here's the thing, bro.

02:21:25.000 It's a multifaceted, complex issue with many different things going on, whether it's the shadow banning of us while simultaneously promoting hater channels.

02:21:35.000 Like, yeah, dude.

02:21:37.000 It's all that.

02:21:38.000 If they were not rewarded with the money, they wouldn't do it.

02:21:41.000 Yeah.

02:21:42.000 It's for the money.

02:21:43.000 Yeah, and they're getting pushed to the algo.

02:21:44.000 Yeah, so. 0.96

02:21:45.000 Like, notice how all these dudes, like, get crazy views from shitting on Fresh and Fit. 0.97

02:21:49.000 It's money-driven. 0.97

02:21:50.000 It's business.

02:21:50.000 Yeah.

02:21:50.000 They're making money, so that's why they do it.

02:21:52.000 Last one here.

02:21:54.000 Is it at Bills?

02:21:56.000 Cool.

02:21:57.000 Shiva, again. 0.85

02:21:59.000 I'm 29 years old.

02:22:00.000 I make $150K a month.

02:22:02.000 I have $2.5 million net worth in decent shape, six foot tall, charismatic, etc., and still struggle to find a girl to long-term date.

02:22:09.000 No hookups. 0.93

02:22:10.000 Any advice for me?

02:22:11.000 That's the problem.

02:22:12.000 You have to go through the hookup phase, my friend.

02:22:14.000 This is just what it is.

02:22:16.000 Especially someone like you, making that kind of money a month. 0.99

02:22:19.000 Girls are going to chew you up and spit you out, man. 1.00

02:22:22.000 If you're trying to find a girl long term and you have that kind of success, what's going to happen is girls are going to fucking be chameleons up front. 1.00

02:22:29.000 You're going to think you got a great girl, and then you're going to find out later on that she's not good. 0.97

02:22:32.000 So you have to go through a phase where you learn female nature. 1.00

02:22:36.000 You're going to get it through lumps and bruises, and it's going to suck, but you're going to have to figure that out, dude.

02:22:42.000 It's like an online game.

02:22:42.000 You've got to fight the trolls first to find the actual...

02:22:45.000 And you go in, and you're like, I'm looking for a relationship. 1.00

02:22:48.000 Girls are going to immediately think you're a bitch, bro. 1.00

02:22:50.000 You have to make it go in where you're the wild horse that she needs to tame. 1.00

02:22:56.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:56.000 Like, you're the guy that's the player, and she's fighting to get you to settle down.

02:23:00.000 Not the other way around, bro.

02:23:01.000 You've already lost if you're going with that mindset.

02:23:03.000 Because then they're just going to pretend and behave as if they're a good girl. 1.00

02:23:07.000 And then your dumbass ain't going to know the difference. 0.99

02:23:08.000 Well, he'll experience her cooked. 1.00

02:23:10.000 Akichi Goro gave us five 50 subs on Rumble.

02:23:12.000 Shout out to you, brother.

02:23:14.000 Akichi Goro, shout out to you.

02:23:15.000 All right, I think that's pretty much it, right?

02:23:17.000 Okay.

02:23:17.000 Cool.

02:23:18.000 No, that was quick.

02:23:19.000 Yeah, guys, I didn't want to hold him because John has a show.

02:23:21.000 A lot of these guys, like, really, like, you know, we were interrupting their schedule.

02:23:23.000 By the way, tomorrow...

02:23:25.000 We're going to announce a way you can win a free Cybertruck from the coffee that we all love from Rumble.

02:23:31.000 Shout out to them as well.

02:23:32.000 It's going to be here tomorrow for us, and we're going to give it to somebody pretty soon in the audience.

02:23:38.000 So buy the coffee, guys.

02:23:39.000 Support us.

02:23:40.000 And support us there on the actual coffee itself.

02:23:44.000 All right.

02:23:45.000 All right, guys, we're going to be back with some lovely latest.

02:23:48.000 Hope you guys enjoyed the stream.

02:23:50.000 Yes.

02:23:50.000 Go check out John.

02:23:51.000 He's live right now on Modern Life Dating, guys, and we're going to do this once a month.

02:23:55.000 We're going to organize it and get different guys from the Red Pill on, and these are going to be some great discussions.

02:24:00.000 And again, the event, guys, this Saturday, get tickets now while you still can't down below.

02:24:04.000 It closes off on Wednesday.

02:24:05.000 RSVP, guys.

02:24:06.000 Later.

Fresh & Fit - February 14, 2025

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