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00:00:58.000We're joined with a very special panel today.
00:01:00.000It's going to be probably one of the highest IQ conversations that we'll have on the platform in a while because we're going to be joined by some dumb bimbos after this.
00:01:07.000So let's go ahead and have the fun while we can now.
00:01:10.000So real quick, I'll go ahead and have you guys introduce yourselves while you guys are over here doing your last-minute research on your phones.
00:01:51.000I was an instructor navigator in a KC-135.
00:01:54.000I flew in Iraq and Afghanistan, probably 500 combat hours.
00:01:57.000And then I did counterintel for two years.
00:02:00.000And then somehow I ended up in Las Vegas and I host all the biggest bikini competitions in the world.
00:02:04.000I have the men of action mentoring program where we teach networking, leadership, like what I learned in the military, and how to bring 100 girls to a party with you.
00:02:31.000You're the only guy I know that's been banned off MySpace.
00:02:34.000Oh yeah, and AOL. Could you imagine, you know, it's like fucking 2000 and you're like trying to go on to AOL and you're like, I can't turn to log in and they're like, oh, sorry, you're canceled off AOL. You don't got mail.
00:03:40.000We were talking in the elevator about the Maidan revolution.
00:03:43.000Just before we get into any of that, just say a bit about Gonzalo Lira, because he's an American journalist that had disappeared at the border, maybe.
00:04:40.000Still didn't deserve to be tortured in a prison, so...
00:04:43.000I know he's been on this show, and I don't know him from the Coach Red Pill days or any of that stuff just recently, and he's been on my show, and I just feel like, hey, that's an American journalist.
00:05:21.000It's hard to know that there's so much fake news on that stuff, and everybody's trying to be first, but we don't really have enough information.
00:05:29.000But that's what it seems like from the indictment that I looked at, because he posted it all on Twitter.
00:05:34.000Before, yeah, he was under house arrest for thought crimes.
00:05:41.000Well, wasn't there some implications that he might have been giving information to Russian troops in the area as well?
00:07:11.000So, the gloves are off whenever there's espionage.
00:07:14.000There's also the possibility he is a spy.
00:07:16.000And when we say spy, that's loosely defined.
00:07:19.000Like, if you're in the United States, and even if you're a U.S. citizen, you go to another country, and you start passing along information, then you're in deep shit.
00:07:27.000But my whole thing is, he's making a good point in that for as much help as they get from us, for them to put a U.S. citizen in prison unjustly doesn't make a lot of sense.
00:07:35.000But at the same time, If the Ukrainians are doing this, then maybe they believe he is passing along information to the Russians.
00:07:42.000And the way the social media is used in this war is unbelievable compared to every other war.
00:07:45.000I think that's what they're doing to substantiate the charges against them.
00:07:48.000By the way, it's a war, so substantiating the charges, what does that even mean?
00:07:59.000The guy is literally tweeting out that he wants Ukraine to fall as the country is being invaded and he's living there in these territories.
00:08:05.000It's not the smartest cookie in the basket.
00:08:08.000If he was a spy or they thought he was, they wouldn't have let him out on July 6th.
00:08:52.000Like Ryan said, this is all shit that you see on Twitter.
00:08:55.000It's hard to know what's true and what's not true.
00:08:57.000Especially because, not just me, there's a lot of people that don't like him, so there are going to be people that make shit up and post it on Twitter and you actually have no fucking idea.
00:09:58.000I think some people incorrectly call it a coup.
00:10:00.000In response to that ousting, Russia invades Crimea, and Russia begins to fund and back separatist movements.
00:10:07.000Ukraine refers to them as terrorists in the east and the Donbass.
00:10:10.000And then from 2014 on to 2023, we've got basically military conflict that's been escalating in 2022.
00:10:17.000The invasion happened, everything is subsumed under that actual invasion, and here we are today.
00:10:21.000I think that the broadest of senses, I'm sure we'll get into the details of all of this, I don't think that the initial Russian invasion into Crimea was at all justified.
00:10:31.000I don't think that there's any evidence of any CIA coup or any sort of backing from the West showing that Euromaidan was artificially inflated by Western forces.
00:10:40.000I don't think there was any evidence that there was an actual coup d'etat.
00:10:43.000I don't think that the backing of separatist leaders in the East is good for anybody.
00:11:52.000Again, I'm going to use this example because a lot of people from this country, if Mexico started funding terrorists that live in San Antonio, Harlingen, and fucking Brownsville, the United States would do something to stop it.
00:12:02.000And the news media would be like, do you see the Americans killing these Mexicans inside?
00:12:07.000At some point, if you attack, they get to attack back.
00:12:10.000And his argument is going to be sovereignty.
00:12:11.000My argument is to be, even if there was a coup, the problem is they invaded Crimea.
00:12:17.000Invading Crimea doesn't make the populace more likely to be pro-Russian.
00:12:21.000It makes them less likely to be pro-Russian.
00:12:23.000Secondly, their parliament had almost unanimously agreed...
00:12:27.000To trade agreements with the West and their president and the last second switched sides and said, no, we're not going to take these trade agreements.
00:12:34.000And then that's where the that's where all these people started rioting.
00:12:36.000My point is, even if there was a coup, which he's going to say there's no evidence, but that's how the CIA works.
00:12:42.000I'm still saying there's enough reason for the people in Ukraine to not want to be a part of Russia after they you understand I'm saying you bite my leg.
00:12:50.000Maybe I don't want to be friends with you anymore.
00:12:52.000You take Crimea, maybe we don't want to be with Russia anymore.
00:12:55.000So his thing is, there's no evidence that there was a coup.
00:12:58.000My thing is, even if there was a coup, there was enough reason for the people in Ukraine to not want to join with Russia.
00:13:47.000Which is about how they had to Get rid of their nuclear weapons because they couldn't afford to maintain them.
00:13:55.000And it was kind of political blackmail to say, send us money or we're going to reduce these weapons, but you're going to have to pay us to maintain them.
00:14:04.000Everyone agreed to get rid of nukes in that.
00:14:24.000They've seen what happened in Yugoslavia.
00:14:27.000And so I understand the Russians' fear about this.
00:14:31.000When they finally have a pro-Russian leader in charge that was going to accept The economic agreements that were favorable to the Russian state, you have to see they were walking into this 15 billion euros in debt.
00:14:48.000Ukraine's had corrupt governments from the 90s to now, one oligarch after another.
00:14:53.000So there's a lot of people within the state that they were in favor of some sort of economic partner, either the Americans in the EU or the Russians.
00:15:03.000And obviously it's in the US's interest for it to not be with the Russians.
00:15:10.000Newland and the rest of them were when there was there was violence that both sides could take advantage of so you had protests against the election results and then you had counter protests and the counter protesters were walled up in Odessa in 48 people burned alive and That's insane.
00:15:32.000And when you look at Maidan, it's very similar to Syria with snipers shooting police and things.
00:15:37.000And so many people believe there's foreign-backed separatists.
00:15:45.000So would you, I guess, so you disagree with Destiny?
00:15:47.000Because Destiny is saying there was no reason for Russia to invade.
00:16:31.000There's a lot of things to keep track of.
00:16:33.000Like that 14,000 figure of deaths you cited, I don't even know where that comes from.
00:16:35.000It's like a misciting of the UNHCR report.
00:16:37.000That's not true, that 14,000 civilians have been killed.
00:16:39.000The fact that Russia didn't invade, that's not true.
00:16:42.000Spetsnaz and other special infantry were seen literally going when Russia called that SNAP 150,000 troops that they collected on the eastern border for a distraction on February 22nd.
00:17:09.000On 2014, there was a Russian invasion.
00:17:12.000There were Russian troops that went into, through Sevastopol, that were dropped off.
00:17:15.000There were Spetsnaz, there were special forces.
00:17:17.000The little green men, the election that they held afterwards, the locking of the checkpoints to the north.
00:17:22.000You agree, but even Putin doesn't deny that.
00:17:24.000You think that election was just a farce, rigged?
00:17:26.000I don't know if the election was a farce, but I do know that the election was held, there were reports of intimidations on the ground by the little green men, and that there was a report that I think, what, 97% of those people ended up supporting, separating, and joining Russia, and that that election wasn't allowing any independent observers whatsoever?
00:18:35.000What I'm saying is, he's saying there was no CIA plot.
00:18:37.000I'm saying if there was a CIA plot, I don't think it makes any fucking difference.
00:18:40.000I think it would be the same thing either way.
00:18:42.000I think they're in a situation where you've lost part of your country, and the parliament has voted to join with favorable trade agreements with the EU, and then all of a sudden your president one day decides to not do it, and then there's a huge riot, and the president has to leave the country.
00:19:04.000Ryan, do you have anything back to that?
00:19:07.000Yeah, as far as the anti-Russian sentiment started long before Crimea, they heroicized Stefan Bandera and others, which was reversed in 2010.
00:19:18.000But you have to see how the Russians are looking at that when they are heroicizing Crimea.
00:19:25.000Nazis from the past and then banning the Russian language and taking steps.
00:19:30.000You're talking to Ukraine, they're banning the Russian?
00:19:32.000Okay, because you said the Russian, sorry.
00:19:34.000Well, this war has really disturbed me in the sense of how anti-Russia has gotten where anything Russian, even Paralympics, athletes, musicians, are being banned because they're Russian, which I think reminds me of after September 11th,
00:19:51.000there was a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment.
00:20:19.000To ban all things Russian, to have so much hate, so much of a lopsided media.
00:20:24.000And this is before Elon, so Twitter was just hardcore left.
00:20:28.000All the social media were coming out now with all these different Twitter files and information and how many spooks were all over all these sites and why people are getting censored.
00:21:52.000It's weird that we selectively bring up neo-Nazis on both sides, or on the Ukrainian side, when I think you can find neo-Nazi ties to the other side as well.
00:22:00.000Pavel Gubarev, I can't pronounce these names, but this is the guy that called himself the...
00:22:07.000The first leader of the Donbass People's Militia, that guy explicitly came from a neo-Nazi group.
00:22:12.000It was founded by Alexander Barkashov, who also came from a far-right nationalist group.
00:22:16.000The idea that neo-Nazis only exist in Ukraine, when Pew Research polling data shows that Ukraine is one of the most welcoming countries in the entire world for Jewish people, when they've had two Jewish heads of state, the only other country in the world besides Israel to do so, I don't think that finger-waving over potential neo-Nazism in Ukraine, that also just happens to align with Russia's primary propaganda vehicle,
00:22:35.000which is that they're fighting Nazis, That's too convenient, and there's too little evidence to actually support that.
00:22:39.000I don't think the Nazis in Ukraine are the anti-Semitic Third Reich like a lot of people paint them out to be.
00:22:50.000There's some swastikas and things, but...
00:22:52.000The Bandera movement and the Nazi movement that they heroicize and build statues of these people wasn't about, it's not the same as Hitler putting people in camps.
00:23:03.000It was more of an anti-Russian, more than anti-Jew.
00:23:36.000The problems with that thinking, obviously, though, is Russia also suffered under communism and Russian people also starved, just like Holdemore, from the same leadership.
00:23:48.000You don't blame the ethnicity for what a government did.
00:23:54.000Things like the Holodomor caused very specific damages to, like, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
00:23:59.000Like, even today, when we talk about Eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic Russians and Crimea is full of ethnic Russians, that's specifically because crops were requisitioned from starving Ukrainians that were, like, defending their families from cannibals who were being shot in the back and they tried to flee their villages.
00:24:14.000And then once, what was it, is it three to five million, I think, Ukrainians died in the Holodomor?
00:24:18.000No, like, There might have been 11 million.
00:24:21.000Then afterwards you have, and then Kazakhstan too, not even doing that, then you're bringing in a bunch of ethnic Russians afterwards to rucify the country to use that excuse, you know, later on and say, well, there's a lot of ethnic Russians there, therefore we ought to respect that there are ethnic Russians there.
00:24:35.000Do you guys understand what he's talking about?
00:24:37.000Joseph Stalin like starves out a bunch.
00:24:39.000The reason why there's so many ethnic Russians, Russian speaking, you understand Ukrainians don't speak Russian.
00:24:43.000There's two different languages there.
00:24:45.000But what he's talking about before it was during Stalin, they needed to take the crops from eastern Ukraine and then use that to feed their own troops.
00:24:54.000And then when those people tried to escape, then they just shot them in the back.
00:24:58.000And then what happened was Russia started filling that area, and they both agree on this, they started filling that area with Russian-speaking people.
00:25:20.000First off, it's not Ukraine's fault that they had nukes.
00:25:22.000That was the Soviet Union who gave it to them.
00:25:23.000And number two, when they agreed to get rid of their nukes, it was the United Kingdom, the United States, and Russia who all agreed to accept the boundaries of Ukraine.
00:25:43.000By the way, let's go back to the can't afford to maintain thing, because when we get to the World War III thing, we're going to discuss that.
00:25:48.000Also, I think you guys should result, because that is important.
00:25:50.000In 94, that Budapest memorandum guaranteed them, you said security assurances that we're not going to fuck with you, but could you please give your weapons essentially back And they did.
00:25:58.000You were saying blackmail, but one more thing.
00:26:00.000The point I'm trying to make is they didn't make the nukes.
00:26:03.000Russia gave Ukraine the nukes during the fall.
00:26:07.000You have the invasion of Afghanistan, then you have Chernobyl, and it becomes incredibly expensive.
00:26:32.000For instance, I'll also make the argument it's not anyone's fault that Ukraine has the 20th largest oil supply in the world and that that's the reason why Russia is actually invading.
00:26:40.000I don't think they're doing it to protect the people of Donbass.
00:26:44.000I think their country is 35% of their GDP is petroleum.
00:26:47.000It's shrunk down to 18% of their GDP is petroleum.
00:26:50.000Over half of their government revenue comes from taxes on petroleum, and this is severely hurting them.
00:26:56.000So you have a country that's in between you and Germany, and that country is going to sell their own petroleum to Germany?
00:27:01.000That's why that's Part of the reason why they evaded and the other reason why I think they evaded when they did is the 200 F-35 Lightnings that are going to be shipped to NATO countries.
00:27:09.000You're going to have countries like Finland that has air supremacy over Russia now because Russia doesn't have anything in the arsenal that can stand up to an F-35.
00:27:15.000That's why I think Russia didn't have- The F-35A can carry nukes as well.
00:28:27.000Negotiate with the West by not going in full steam in the beginning.
00:28:31.000Maybe you can talk about the strategy part, but I'm anti-war.
00:28:34.000I don't want there to be a war between Ukraine and Russia.
00:28:37.000But I feel like the Ukraine side, the Ukraine point of view, is on TV. If you want to hear what Ukraine thinks, just turn on the news.
00:28:45.000Yeah, but if we wanted the war to be over, we should have just let Ukraine finish recapturing the Donbass.
00:28:49.000The war is only extended right now because of Russian troops, military training, and arms flowing into the country from the east.
00:28:56.000Well, they're not going to let them retake or conquer the Donbass because Russia then has to deal with NATO-trained standard troops on their border.
00:29:06.000What about Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania?
00:30:20.000Yeah, I don't think there's an official story.
00:30:21.000There's one official story that Sweden or Norway had something to do with blowing it up.
00:30:25.000Yeah, Cy Hirsch had his, he had his, well, supposedly documented, it was in a Substack article, he thought that the U.S. blew up the line using allies.
00:30:38.000Yeah, but Hirsch's story is total conjecture.
00:30:41.000He provides no compelling evidence, no proof in that entire...
00:30:43.000The U.S.'s story is, no, he didn't do it.
00:30:48.000I think right now the position is, if you look at all the evidence, it looks like it was probably Ukraine.
00:30:53.000I think that's a fair assumption to make.
00:30:55.000I think the most credible story I've seen so far is that the Ukrainian military, without Zelensky's knowledge, might have sent forces to that area and destroyed those pipelines.
00:31:03.000But I've also heard, I believe that Norway said they've witnessed like Russian ships, like three Russian ships that were in areas they weren't supposed to be that could have been equipped for diving operations.
00:31:11.000So it looks like Ukraine might have done it, but there is no official story.
00:31:14.000I don't think anybody knows right now for sure.
00:31:19.000So there's no reason for Russia to blow up its own pipeline when they can just turn off the gas and leave the infrastructure.
00:31:25.000Just so we're clear, there was no gas actually running through the pipeline at that point.
00:31:29.000There was gas in the pipeline because you can't keep it in a vacuum.
00:31:31.000Yeah, they had two lines, but it was on the verge of opening.
00:31:35.000So just to go back to what I was saying before, one of the reasons why the Middle East became so wealthy the way that it did is because it's easier to dig for oil in sand countries.
00:31:44.000That's also the reason why we dig for oil in West Texas and places like that.
00:31:47.000That's why you don't dig for oil in places like Colorado.
00:31:50.000It's harder to get through that type of environment.
00:31:52.000Because of new technologies as far as extracting oil, there's all of a sudden all this oil that's in Ukraine that's available now that wasn't really available 30 years ago.
00:32:00.000That's a part of this that's kind of being missed.
00:32:19.000You have a country, a petro state, which is basically what Russia is, 35% to 30% of their GDP came from petroleum.
00:32:27.000And now you have a neighbor that's in between you and your number one buyer of oil, which is Germany.
00:32:31.000And he's saying, hey, not only are we going to make it harder for you to sell your oil through our country, we're going to sell our own oil.
00:32:38.000That, to me, was a pretense for them to invade.
00:32:41.000To me, that was the number one pretense for them to invade.
00:32:43.000Not because they're worried about ethnic Russians in the eastern part.
00:32:51.000That was already an autonomous region.
00:32:53.000They already had agreements to have Sevastopol, that naval base there.
00:32:56.000Most of the people in Crimea, one of the reasons why the invasion probably worked is most people there were friendly towards the Russian navy.
00:34:10.000Great statecraft, incredible military strategy, absolutely terrible when it comes to diplomacy.
00:34:15.000You're going to have to pay for that in the end.
00:34:16.000When you tell the world that you have hypersonic missiles, and then you have the Ukrainians shoot down those hypersonic missiles, turns out they're not hypersonic missiles at all.
00:34:24.000When you tell the world that you have Sukhoi 57s that are supposedly better than F-22s and F-35s, and it turns out you don't even use them in battle.
00:34:30.000When you tell the world that you have these incredible S-14 tanks that are supposed to be able to knock out anything, and they're just getting blown up on the side of the road, Russia has lost 40%.
00:34:42.000Just for size and ratio, the United States lost 80 M1 Abrams tanks during all of their invasion of Iraq the entire time, and 63 of them they put back in service.
00:34:55.000I don't want to get too far into this, but there's this huge design defect with the tanks where they put the shells right next to the turret, and when you hit it with a javelin, then all of a sudden it blows up the entire tank.
00:35:05.000And you can see photographs all over the place, look it up yourself, with tanks with the turrets knocked off.
00:36:01.000I don't think the Leopard 24A is a bad tank.
00:36:05.000I just think any tank that walked into...
00:36:08.000A field of landmines that's getting targeted by drones and cornet missiles and helicopters and anti-tank personnel is going to get destroyed.
00:36:17.000We're not having giant tank versus tank battles.
00:36:53.000And by the way, Ukrainian fighter pilots right now while we're speaking are training at Shepard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, Texas to fly those jets, those F-16 squadrons that they're about to get.
00:37:03.000My point with that is that he actually said Ukrainians use doctrine of mechanized infantry along with tanks, along with aircraft.
00:37:14.000The Russians will just run a bunch of tanks into a certain place, or they'll just use artillery, or they'll just use air power, and they don't have the ability to coordinate.
00:37:22.000And so my point is, this whole thing is like, even though you have a country that is four times bigger than the other country, This should be a first round knockout.
00:37:30.000This should have ended in the first week.
00:37:32.000The fact that we're at a year and five months, I think this is a really, really bad experience for Russia.
00:37:38.000And I think I don't see any way for them out of this without Russia.
00:37:43.000So you think Ukraine is winning the conflict?
00:37:50.000No, but the thing is right now, just so you know, when you have an invading force going up against a defending force throughout history, the invading force loses more people.
00:37:59.000They just do because it's just harder.
00:38:59.000The United States is giving them javelins.
00:39:01.000If you think this is morally wrong, I'm not here to have that argument.
00:39:05.000My point is, if the United States is giving them top-tier anti-tank weapons, two squadrons of F-16s, and their first battalion of M1 Abrams tanks that Russia has no chance against, God forbid if they bring F-35s into this.
00:39:55.000The nutrition war, I think they were trying to set up a porcupine.
00:39:58.000And they thought that the sanctions were going to be, even Russia thought this too, that the sanctions were going to be way more devastating than they were.
00:40:06.000And they thought, if we can lead them with sanctions and force them to charge into well-fortified, bunkered, entrenched positions, it would be, you know, pure victories at best.
00:40:16.000And Ukraine has been extremely tough, extremely resilient.
00:40:21.000And in the beginning of the war, they did have very, you know, cracked defense.
00:40:25.000And they kind of pussyfooted their way in with 90,000 troops.
00:40:30.000But Russia was looking at it, holding back, because they also didn't know whether or not they could deal with the sanctions.
00:40:38.000Without the clock on their side, because they're not in a hurry, they don't have to, they're not bleeding from sanctions, they decided to go with the meat grinder approach instead of the blitzkrieg approach.
00:40:48.000They're going to sit back, With artillery, the very slow, methodical way.
00:41:03.000But they've got all the time because the sanctions are hurting NATO more than they're hurting Russia.
00:41:08.000And Ukraine is running out of personnel.
00:41:10.000The sanctions are hurting NATO. Yeah, because the reason why I disagree is because we've already had China denounce what's going on in Ukraine.
00:41:19.000So that, to me, China is going to be...
00:41:21.000Yeah, and I think Russia's done some funny things, I think, with their currency and everything, with disallowing people to sell Russian currency.
00:41:26.000And they're doing ways to try to artificially inflate the economy they have.
00:41:30.000But I'm pretty sure most experts agree there's been a pretty big contraction of the Russian economy.
00:41:34.000It's been 3% a quarter for Russia's GDP over the last couple of years.
00:41:37.000It's already a country that's pretty poor, I think, in terms of GDP per capita.
00:41:41.000Russia is not the richest country in the world.
00:41:43.000Russia is about as wealthy as Mexico, and a lot of people don't realize that.
00:42:21.000Haven't we used like 2 million of the 20 million artillery shells we have in stock?
00:42:26.000I'm pretty sure we just haven't shipped the rest yet.
00:42:27.000And then even if we do exhaust our supply, can Russia, the country, out-manufacture the rest of the Western world when it comes to artillery shells?
00:42:56.000Yeah, so the difference with the Israeli thing is the United States is going to supply those F-16s with anti-radiation missiles that can fire at more than 60 miles.
00:43:03.000I think the S-400 is in deep shit, and they don't have any S-400s in country.
00:43:06.000They can't bring them in country because one of the problems is when you turn...
00:43:10.000By the way, I don't know if you know this.
00:43:17.000And that's why they weren't able to defend that part of the country because they weren't even turned on.
00:43:22.000Because one of the things that happens is if the United States is involved or if U.S. firepower is involved, this is one thing we learned is what F-16 Wild Weasel does.
00:43:30.000Real quick, because we've got to keep a focus because we're going into this whole tangent here.
00:43:34.000He's basically saying that the sanctions are hurting NATO more than Russia.
00:43:36.000And you guys are saying you think the sanctions are hurting Russia more?
00:43:39.000I definitely think it's hurting Russia more.
00:46:37.000I'll even critique Mike because you kept saying it was maybe bad statesmanship to say that they weren't going to invade and then invaded.
00:46:42.000I think the initial plan was there was never going to be an invasion.
00:46:46.000It was going to be the special military operation into Kiev and they were going to have Belarus 2.0 and then they could have said we never invaded.
00:46:54.000You believe that You believe that Putin believed that he was going to be welcomed coming into Ukraine?
00:47:01.000I just, from what I've read, I guess you're the military analyst guy, from other military analysts, is the readiness of the Russian military was just not where anybody in Russia thought it would be.
00:47:12.000They were undersupplied, they were understaffed, the supplies they did have weren't maintained, and that, yeah, what you had was a bunch of unaccompanied armor, uncoordinated troops that were launching horribly coordinated attacks, which they've gotten their shit together a lot better now, a war into the conflict.
00:47:25.000So there's an FSB report that was released that showed that they didn't know there was going to be an invasion.
00:47:54.000Okay, so what I'll do is I'll read the rants and then I think we're good here with, unless you guys have any other disagreements on, it seems like you guys agree on this Russia-Ukraine thing.
00:49:05.000It seems like whether or not Ukraine can retake significant territory is going to come down to whether or not they have the personnel and they've got the supplies and they have the micromanagement.
00:49:13.000Right now they have a really hard time macromanaging all of their different forces together.
00:49:18.000That the Ukrainians don't have that wide-scale discipline and training yet to be able to deploy all of these different weapon systems and make them work in a unified combat sense.
00:49:28.000Assuming that they continue to improve there, they have an unlimited purse from the West, they probably have an unlimited desire in their citizens, because I think Ukrainians want to fight to defend Ukraine probably more than Russians want to fight to do whatever they're doing in Ukraine.
00:49:40.000So I think that, I feel like in a year from now, we'll have a pretty clear picture of what the time horizon is on Ukraine's victory.
00:49:47.000And I think a victory for Ukraine at the least includes recapturing the Donbass.
00:51:32.000You know, they could sharpen their discipline and be better at hybrid warfare, but Russian artillery has proven to be the king of the battlefield and Ukraine doesn't have an answer for it.
00:51:44.000Yeah, I think Russia, I think Ukraine is going to have an answer for artillery.
00:51:48.000I think they're going to have just as many pieces as the Russians are.
00:52:13.000I'm not hoping death on anybody, but if he leaves the country, if he goes somewhere else, I think what happens is the cost of this war and the unpopularity of it in Russia immediately, whoever the new leader is, starts to secede certain areas of Donbass.
00:52:26.000Crimea, you're right, that has way more to do with their hold over the Black Sea, but I also disagree with the two of you.
00:52:31.000I 100% believe they intend on trying to take Western Ukraine.
00:52:34.000I think that they want to have a revolution in Ukraine.
00:52:47.000So I think they're going to try to start something there.
00:52:50.000And in order for them to do that, they're going to have to push further west.
00:52:53.000And I think one of the problems is because of the way Putin gained power and because of the popularity of his annexation of Crimea, the unpopularity of this combined with any kind of loss is...
00:53:06.000In Russia, they don't have peaceful transfers of power.
00:53:09.000I mean, I know between Yeltsin and Putin they did, but I think he's, in a way, fighting for his life.
00:53:14.000And so because of that, I think they can't quit.
00:53:17.000They can't stop fighting, no matter to the point where it gets irrational.
00:55:29.000And then Peter goes, FNF on your final 9-11 series with Ryan, and you mentioned that you will have Scott Ritter and Dawson on the same panel.
00:56:52.000I've seen multiple things, and every single one of them that I've seen shows that there are, other than the Russian sources, it shows that there are more Ukrainians, there are more Russians dead than Ukrainians.
00:58:30.000I'm saying with the estimations due to the fog of war, the estimations that I've seen, all of them put the lost totals on Russia higher than those on Ukraine.
01:00:13.000Well, I mean, do you know what my 9-11 work is?
01:00:17.000Don't you generally claim that there were, I think the two that I've heard from you, this is third hand, so I could be wrong, is that one is that people in our intelligence services, I think the FBI and the CIA probably knew that there were terrorists training here to fly, but they either didn't report it for some reason, I don't know, and then the second one is that Israeli intelligence services knew that there was a terrorist attack coming,
01:00:36.000and they knew it with a great deal of specificity, but they didn't say anything because they were hoping that the United States would get pulled into some Middle Eastern conflict.
01:00:52.000One thing I will say that I really do appreciate is, number one, all the Freedom of Information Act things that you did, all the places that you traveled, and the fact that you don't say words like Illuminati or Rothschilds or any of that shit.
01:01:42.000Because the people that are saying it's holograms and things like that are usually the ones that are so ghastly or whatever they think The Earth is a pancake or something.
01:01:50.000And it's unfortunate because it's a very, very serious topic because I don't isolate 9-11 just to that day.
01:01:57.000There was an anthrax attack and they were erroneously associated to Iraq and Saddam Hussein.
01:02:04.000They claimed that Muhammad Atta, the lead hijacker in Flight 11, had received anthrax in Prague from senior Iraqi officials.
01:03:03.000That you're like, oh yeah, Larry Silverstein, Ted Pullett.
01:03:05.000You've all heard the Kook stuff a million times.
01:03:09.000And so I can't even get my foot in the door.
01:03:12.000To start mentioning, I can lay out the evidence so you can think whatever you want, but here's the evidence for foreign state involvement with Al-Qaeda or foreknowledge.
01:03:21.000All right, so just to stay focused here.
01:03:23.000So Destiny, you believe in the official story from 2004 with the 9-11 Commission.
01:03:29.000Ryan, I know you disagree with the 9-11 Commission significantly.
01:03:33.000Even some of the people that sat on that board you said had ulterior motives to lie.
01:03:38.000You have to realize, the 9-11 Commission wasn't the only investigation in 9-11.
01:03:44.000The Senate did one, the JAS report, which was much more in-depth than the 9-11 Commission.
01:03:50.000The 9-11 Commission had all this fanfare.
01:04:04.000There's a little bit, there would be room for bias there.
01:04:08.000But the GIS report did uncover the fact that money from the Saudi state was sent through intermediaries to at least two of the hijackers, Nabi Fahazmi and Khalid al-Midhar.
01:04:46.000The idea that some people that were part of the original group of hijackers might have gotten money that came eventually from Saudi Arabia, it wouldn't surprise me if 100% of every group operating in the Middle East at some point is tied back to some kind of money coming from Saudi Arabia.
01:05:05.000So you're saying it might be a coincidence that I think it would be really compelling if you could show that somebody with knowledge of the attacks happening in Saudi Arabia was specifically funding them with the intent to cause it.
01:05:49.000Yeah, Bandar Bush's wife sent it to Muid Nalkat, who was the wife of Omar Bayoumi, who gave it to Osama Masnan and gave it to the hijackers.
01:05:56.000They also rented a house for them, lived with them, logistical support, financial support.
01:06:01.000But the details is, you're right, Saudi Arabia finances terrorists all over North Africa.
01:06:51.000And the FBI was also warned, because you have to put all this stuff together.
01:06:55.000There was an Iranian operative who spied on Afghanistan, who tells the FBI that they're already in the United States, that they're going to use airplanes, that these are the targets.
01:07:09.000Mike Fagelli and others and translators, they squash this.
01:07:55.000There's a night and day difference between, like, my child got sick because I... Yeah, I will give you the case of why I think it's more than...
01:08:16.000I want you to consider a federal agent who's underpaid and overworked, who makes $50,000 a year back then, who has a wife at home, and instead of one whiteboard with a couple of guys who went to flight school, there's 50 whiteboards.
01:08:29.000And I have to, if you could show me that there was, this was the only intelligence that they had and they deliberately tried to not look at it, they'd be fine.
01:08:35.000But like, there's just too many threat assessments and there's too many people.
01:08:38.000And we're white Americans generally, right?
01:08:40.000Like these names are not like, oh, it's Jake Tapper.
01:09:14.000And you'd be amazed at how it's not run the way the TV shows show us with CSI and Law& Order and they're going through forensic evidence and got the DNA and, oh, I found his reflection in this picture.
01:10:43.000But Some of the other things makes me lean more towards, no, it's not just incompetence.
01:10:51.000Incompetence is kind of the plausible deniability.
01:10:53.000I feel like, yeah, okay, so I think that the central claim for there to be a conspiracy, because conspiracy means a plan by several people, it can't just be negligence.
01:11:03.000There has to be something that rises to the level of conspiracy.
01:11:06.000Now, if we want to claim that it was conspiracy...
01:11:30.000We're talking about now some sort of plan that is roping together different departments and different members in the department to conceal certain information from other, like, at that level, the coordination required would just be unfathomable.
01:11:42.000It would probably be the largest U.S., like, past, like, the Manhattan Project, be one of the largest U.S., like, intel projects of all time, except not against a foreign enemy, but against us domestically, which makes it even more difficult.
01:11:51.000Not if somebody else is intercepting your wiretaps when you're trying to police Al-Qaeda and that you have an ally working against you.
01:11:59.000Can I, I want to find, like, just central things that maybe the two of you can debate, because here's the one question that I had, and your belief is that there was Israeli involvement either through negligence or actually aiding the terrorists in, you said you're not married to that idea, but you believe Well,
01:12:15.000they were celebrating the attacks, and they were monitoring Al-Qaeda next door to them.
01:12:20.000I heard the Donald Trump speech where he said there were thousands of people celebrating in New Jersey or something like that.
01:12:25.000Well, Donald Trump doesn't know how to say anything without going to the nth degree.
01:12:29.000Everything's the most, the best, the number one, huge, whatever.
01:14:15.000It was the first one that you guys did together.
01:14:16.000They don't have the names in my FOIA request at all, but the names are all in the regular police report.
01:14:22.000So when the Virgin Daily Record had it, the Jewish Daily Forward had it, and I got the police report, and that has all their names and description, mugshots, and so on.
01:14:31.000And so I did a little Rosetta Stone thing.
01:14:33.000So when saying the brothers, which has to be Paul and Sivan, so, you know, not those two, right?
01:14:49.000And so through a bunch, it doesn't matter how I figured this out, but you just going through and seeing the statements and you know what they're wearing and so on.
01:14:58.000And I know who was driving because that's in the police report.
01:15:09.000But even if you didn't, the fact that they're all different from each other, it's weird.
01:15:14.000Everybody knows where they were on 9-11.
01:15:16.000It's like, oh, we were on the East Side Highway.
01:15:17.000Oh, I didn't get to work until this time.
01:15:19.000Oh, we didn't go there until 10 o'clock.
01:15:21.000You're there at Doric Towers based on the Your own photographs from your own camera that was seized in the van, so they know.
01:15:27.000Now, they did change the clock on that by 14 hours, but they were able to tell by seeing a helicopter over the Hudson River and some other things approximately 9 or 8.59 or something like that.
01:15:41.000Bottom line, there were a group of Israelis that had ties back to Israeli intelligence that were celebrating when the planes hit the towers.
01:15:48.000When the FBI did an investigation and interviewed these people, there were questionable references with their timelines that didn't match up.
01:15:56.000The CIA records check showed that I think two of them were tied back to the Jewish agency, and then they all had Israeli passports, and they were determined to be leaving the United States shortly after 9-11.
01:16:05.000And then when they went ahead and did a search warrant at the Transfer Moving Systems, sorry, it's called Transfer Moving Systems.
01:17:32.000Israeli intelligence, whoever they are, they're well connected.
01:17:34.000These guys decide to go onto a roof and have a party.
01:17:39.000Knowing everything they know in New York City after the 9-11 attacks, and then that's how we get some key insight that Israel must have been involved beforehand.
01:17:47.000Like, I know that you present the other story that it's so wacky that this guy had $4,700 in cash, and one of these guys fled to Israel, and that is pretty wacky.
01:20:26.000Wouldn't it be the case that, like, so in this industry, like, two people can know something, four people can know something, but ten people can't know a secret.
01:20:35.000Because if ten people know a secret, everybody knows it.
01:20:37.000This is true in the YouTube world and it's true in the stream world, and everybody will tell you.
01:20:58.000do we have, like, the occupation of Palestine is not a secret whatsoever, and they openly bulldoze down homes and squat in someone's living room?
01:21:19.000If you can hide an ongoing military occupation and annexation and colonization of people, because that's never explained on TV. Wait, wait, wait.
01:21:29.000Everybody knows about settlements in the West Bank.
01:22:04.000You can't hide the settlements in the West Bank any better than they're hiding it.
01:22:09.000If they go down and smash a few houses today, it's not going to be on TV. If they shoot a missile into Syria tomorrow, it's not going to be on TV. If Syria shot a missile into Israel, it would be on TV. But can we agree that the media is controlled on some level?
01:22:28.000But I'm saying that there's something fundamentally different between nobody knowing about the West Bank and nobody knowing about the largest conspiracy theory of all time.
01:22:35.000No, look, you'd think, I wish I could believe that, but...
01:22:40.000Like I said in the beginning with the anthrax, they lied and said Iraqis gave anthrax to Al-Qaeda.
01:22:47.000They never came back later, clearly, and said, yeah, that wasn't true.
01:22:53.000And William Sapphire's report on the chemical weapons under the palace, that wasn't true.
01:22:58.000The yellow cake uranium from Niger, that wasn't true.
01:23:01.000All the different lies they used about weapons of mass destruction, they never came out.
01:23:12.000And the Nazir forgeries is a good one, because that's not something you can blame on a screw-up, because you have to have someone's signature who was no longer there, obsolete military SEALs, messed up the dates, and Gor Bonifar and Michael Ledeen come up with this crap.
01:23:25.000But all the rhetoric about Iraq was on TV, all the propaganda was on TV, all the lies were there.
01:23:32.000Yeah, but that's also one of the most, that's like the worst example because now everybody in the world talks about the monumental failure of the United States government manufacturing reasons to go into Iraq.
01:23:42.000We all know about the Office of Special Plans.
01:24:04.000I can go on Google and Google it and find 52 websites that are talking about it.
01:24:07.000You can Google about the anthrax and know that that didn't happen either.
01:24:11.000But I can't Google about the 9-11 plan that was so wide open that even random 20-something surveillance people in the United States knew about it and then were caught because they were throwing a party that they planned in advance.
01:24:21.000That, like, the level of coordination and the tendrils that must have been flowing to so many different people for these three to five guys to know about this plan, for them to know about it, and nobody else to have come out or said anything?
01:24:35.000I don't know, to leak it to a friend, to tell a wife or a husband to come out and be a whistleblower, to have it revealed in some other intelligence, to have it leaked or hacked by Iran that's engaged in cyberterrorism.
01:24:44.000Iran would have a big incentive to reveal this.
01:24:46.000Russia would have a big incentive to reveal this.
01:25:30.000You're conflating a lot of different things, okay?
01:25:33.000We have to look at where the incentives are and how people would act.
01:25:36.000Israel stealing nuclear secrets from the United States is not good, but the United States is probably going to feel a lot different about that than Israel being complicit in a terror attack on U.S. citizens.
01:25:55.000But again, I'm saying where the incentives lie, it's obvious that even if it's a bad thing, why the United States wouldn't attack arguably its most treasured ally in the Middle East, we can understand that without there needing to be a nefarious explanation of the U.S. side.
01:26:10.000And we can understand why Israel would probably want to acquire nukes as well, given how...
01:26:16.000I'm saying that for Israel to have knowledge and to be basically complicit in a terror attack on U.S. citizens for so many people in intelligence to know that and nobody has leaked or whistleblown, nobody's known about that?
01:26:51.000Well, we did get whistleblowers and leakers.
01:26:54.000Like I was saying with Private Manning, that's how we learned that the CIA did know that they bet KSM. Like, they were hiding that until then.
01:27:01.000Yeah, but we didn't get any nefarious leaks, right?
01:27:03.000An error in intel probably occurs more than anybody, or maybe you might know about it, but probably more than any of us know there are errors in intel.
01:27:11.000And even at the beginning of this, you said it might be that maybe the FBI and the CIA dropped the ball and they screwed up on some things.
01:27:15.000So your stance is you don't think Israel was involved because it would have been too much of a ridiculous task to be able to keep that a secret that they were involved in the worst terrorist attack.
01:27:24.000It wouldn't, like, just on its face from what I know of 9-11.
01:27:27.000If somebody were to say that there were some people in the Israeli intelligence that might have had an inkling that something was coming and they decided not to share it or whatever...
01:28:07.000Has the ability to intercept telecommunications.
01:28:10.000They were following the hijackers around.
01:28:12.000They claimed that they did warn the United States and nothing was done about it.
01:28:15.000There's the O2Go Messenger, this Israeli messenger, where people were warned not to go to work in the World Trade Center before and came forward and did tell the authorities, hey, I got messages telling me not to go to the World Trade Center from this Israeli messaging app.
01:28:27.000It's kind of like AIM back in the day.
01:30:56.000Also, I think there's a big problem where, and this is always, it's really hard to keep up.
01:30:59.000It's always been my criticism of Ryan is that there's like five or ten different things we have brought up, but all of them are kind of half true.
01:31:04.000So that is really a messaging app that you brought up.
01:31:06.000People weren't told not to go into the World Trade Center.
01:31:08.000There were a couple Israeli citizens in Tel Aviv that got anonymous messages two hours before the terror attack saying a terror attack would happen somewhere.
01:31:14.000They didn't even report that to their employer until the terrorist attack in 9-11 actually happened.
01:31:19.000So it's not like all these Israeli people got messages on their cell phones saying, don't go to work.
01:31:24.000Now there might be others, but I think that specifically we just made is totally not true.
01:31:27.000I don't know every single other claim they've made.
01:31:29.000I mean, they just made up a claim and then attacked the straw man.
01:31:32.000I'm about to talk about people in Tel Aviv and talking about people in New York.
01:31:35.000Yeah, but you mentioned that Israeli messaging app.
01:31:37.000The two messages that came to the Israeli messaging app, they had an anti-Semitic slur, they were in English, and they were delivered to two men in Tel Aviv.
01:31:43.000And they didn't even report that message to their employer.
01:31:45.000And that's a story you just looked up right now on your phone.
01:31:47.000As opposed to a story that you just made up that has no source for it.
01:32:53.000I know exactly what you're going to say.
01:32:54.000Same thing with the whole Israeli-Palestine conflict.
01:32:57.000They go, oh yeah, well, we're the only democracy.
01:32:59.000They have all this Frank Luntz talking points and stuff.
01:33:03.000And it's like, what I'm saying doesn't hinge on what you think it hinges on.
01:33:08.000What it ultimately ends up hinging on is 15 loosely connected stories that when you start to look at every single one, it's like, this is probably a coincidence.
01:33:20.000It's like the 2007 crisis where you've created these CDOs out of all these bullshit investments, but somehow you think it's a really good one because you've got a lot of them together.
01:33:29.000If we were to ask for, what is the smoking gun for the 9-11 attacks for Israel knowing about that?
01:34:08.000Like I said, the more hard-hitting things is...
01:34:12.000Our own FBI saying that this moving company with people celebrating and they're all Israeli and it's run company and their timelines don't match up.
01:34:22.000If they were just dancing, you could chalk that up to immaturity or something.
01:34:27.000But when you've got five different timelines of them all lying about where they were when the attacks took place, denying that they were there, then it starts getting, ah, your story's not adding up.
01:34:36.000Then when you find out from the FBI saying, yeah, did you know one of these moving companies actually took a hijacker from Florida to New York?
01:34:50.000But if I look it up, he's going to get triggered, so I don't want to...
01:34:52.000I showed the FOIA report on his show in Highlighter.
01:34:56.000To summarize, FBI Miami had information that one of the hijackers utilized the moving service, the same moving service that these guys were caught working for, the dancing Israelis.
01:35:38.000That alone, if you think all the 9-11 stuff, whatever.
01:35:42.000I've got to answer your question about the truck thing.
01:35:45.000All the 9-11 stuff aside, I still think the anthrax attack is part of 9-11 because it says death to America, death to Israel, and 9-11 is on the bottom and so on.
01:35:54.000They straight up lied about that being tied to Saddam Hussein.
01:35:59.000We went to war with Iraq, killed probably 100,000 people or more, and Military occupation for years and longer.
01:36:07.000It was a horrible, horrible foreign policy move, and the Bush administration was hell-bent on it and didn't seem to care.
01:36:16.000They just wanted an excuse, like, give me some pretext to go into Iraq.
01:36:45.000Listen, the Office of Special Plan or the Weekly Standard for PNAC, when you go back to like Robert Kagan and William Crystal and stuff, yeah, they're all Jewish neocons.
01:37:21.000No, he, maybe he did, but my point is.
01:37:24.000Shot him to Israel in an attempt to bring Israel into the conflict.
01:37:27.000Yeah, but my point is, my point is, if you want to talk about, so it goes back to the thing we're talking about with Ukraine.
01:37:31.000They don't have, they had a huge army in Iraq in 1990, but they didn't have a deployable army.
01:37:36.000That's why they could out-muster Kuwait and possibly at the time invade Saudi Arabia.
01:37:42.000My whole thing was, one of the pretexts for us invading, I believed, was not necessarily for us to steal the oil, because you pointed out before we didn't steal the oil, but the idea of one megalomaniac controlling all the oil fields in Iraq and all the oil fields in Saudi Arabia,
01:37:57.000that would cause massive destabilization.
01:38:00.000Yeah, some on the tap, some on the tap.
01:38:02.000But that would cause massive destabilization for the country, our country, that is more dependent on petroleum than any other country in the world in 1990.
01:38:09.000And so my issue is, doesn't it feel like us invading Iraq benefits Saudi Arabia, who couldn't defend themselves, and Kuwait, who clearly couldn't defend themselves, as opposed to a country with M1 Bradley tanks, F-15s, F-16s, and a nuclear arsenal that doesn't even border Iraq?
01:38:30.000It benefited with the war in Iraq, too.
01:38:32.000And Saudi Arabia's fingerprints are also all over 9-11.
01:38:36.000But I'm saying, okay, so if you want to say that, that's fine.
01:38:38.000But what I'm saying is, maybe you're not making this argument, but the idea that the pretext for us to go to war was something, was an Israeli plot to make us go to war and that we wouldn't have gone anyway.
01:39:17.000So if we gave them mustard gas, what I'm saying is then they would have had a weapon of mass destruction that we gave them.
01:39:22.000And I think part of the issue too was, wasn't Saddam Hussein not allowing investigators to come into the country to actually verify whether they had disabled weapons or not?
01:39:30.000They did have WMDs prior to the first Gulf War.
01:39:33.000So they had the stuff we gave them, but they lost that war.
01:39:38.000And the weapons inspectors did go in and did verify that they did not have WMDs, specifically anthrax and mobile weapons labs.
01:39:50.000And the Israelis said they witnessed this transfer anyway.
01:39:53.000And then when the notes said death to America and Israel, just added that in there.
01:39:57.000And it's from whoever did it, knew the location.
01:40:00.000They made a very bad screw-up because, and I'm not going to, I don't want to steamroll this.
01:40:07.000If you look at the timeline for the anthrax, There's notes in there that said, death to America, death to Israel, get penicillin now, whatever.
01:40:17.000There was also hoax anthrax sent to Judith Miller, who's a W&D architect.
01:40:51.000They also sent Patrick Leahy, who had the Leahy Amendment, which would forbid military aid to Israel, and to Daschle.
01:40:59.000But anyway, they said, oh no, that's a copycat attack.
01:41:05.000Whoever sent this hoax anthrax to Howard Roxler and Judith Miller, that's just, they saw the news and copied it.
01:41:12.000The problem is that it was mailed before there was any reporting of the other letter being opened.
01:41:18.000The other letter wasn't opened as quickly as maybe as soon because all the planes got grounded on 9-12 and then mail was hectic as hell and mixed in bags and so on.
01:41:29.000And so they're both mailed on September 18th.
01:41:34.000One doesn't get, they don't get opened until October, but it could not have been a copycat letter because they would not have been able to know what the contents of that mail was until after it was opened.
01:41:45.000So why would Al-Qaeda send Judith Miller fake anthrax and send, who's once wore the rock and all that, and send real accelerated anthrax?
01:43:43.000Miriam Ripley, he's a Confederate, let him in the lab and do gain-of-function research on anthrax.
01:43:49.000The guy who's been fired from the lab continues to come back to the lab and do this work that's now illegal.
01:43:57.000And yet, and then there's 23 missing samples of anthrax.
01:44:02.000And they didn't go and question him first.
01:44:05.000Hey, you got caught on camera entering the lab when you're not supposed to.
01:44:11.000Somebody took anthrax, probably the guy...
01:44:14.000How did they know they were missing anthrax samples?
01:44:17.000Because the administration changed, and I forget the person's name now, but the new head of that kind of security goes through and did an audit of the things they're doing gain-of-function research on, and they have these missing samples of anthrax.
01:44:33.000If there was a group of people in there that were letting him in to do research, ostensibly for a future terror attack, why wouldn't they just delete the records?
01:44:42.000Well, I don't know how many records they would have deleted or not, but they can't reproduce anthrax.
01:44:47.000Like, if anthrax is stolen, then they'd have to go get other anthrax from somewhere else to replace it.
01:44:51.000They did not know that the new head was coming in.
01:47:52.000So, Destiny, you think it's just coincidences that...
01:47:58.000Maybe some people were in certain places and it's just a coincidence, but you don't think necessarily that...
01:48:02.000I mean, I don't have the greatest history, but I think generally when you're reading about these things, I think usually the sources are better than a guy that worked at a lab that was laying in at night.
01:48:11.000Usually what happens is anytime there's a loose string of people, when you start to dig in, you find that the timelines don't actually match up like they did or that the mail wasn't as grounded.
01:48:20.000But I don't know the specifics around anthrax now.
01:48:22.000Okay, so you disagree with the Israeli portion.
01:48:23.000Do you disagree that Saudi Arabia was involved?
01:48:26.000I mean, a lot of the funding sources for al-Qaeda ran back to Saudi Arabia, right?
01:49:01.000Like, even if there isn't a shared border, fucking every country in the Middle East is shipping shit to fucking either Hamas or Ezebub that wants to see Israel destroyed.
01:49:08.000So, like, I can understand that, like, Israel has an incentive to, you know, say, fuck Iraq.
01:49:13.000But I think it has to be built from something.
01:50:11.000They're the ones that set up Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi National Congress.
01:50:14.000So they would pretty much leak their own propaganda, get it published in the Times, and then quote the Times, which is just their own bullshit, to get over the rock.
01:50:25.000I don't know anything about anthrax, so I can't comment.
01:50:36.000He's never looked at the anthrax, so he can't comment.
01:50:39.000Well, the anthrax is the silver bullet for the 9-11 terror attacks.
01:50:42.000I mean, you're already on huge problems there, epistemically.
01:50:44.000But, I mean, what'll happen is I'll probably dig into the anthrax stuff tonight or tomorrow, and then I'll find out that a lot of what you're saying is half-true, or the timelines don't add up when we are.
01:50:52.000Or maybe they will, and maybe I'll change my mind on some of the anthrax stuff.
01:51:16.000Norman Mineta testified and others that he was in a POC bunker and did refuse to shoot down the plane.
01:51:22.000But I think Rice and Cheney, his book said he was talking about Flight 93 in Shanksville that the passengers took down before anybody could get there anyway.
01:51:34.000But Mineta and others clearly were saying, no, this is Flight 77 that did hit the Pentagon.
01:52:26.000And there's a giant hole in the Pentagon.
01:52:28.000But everybody other than Cheney is saying, no, that was Flight 77.
01:52:36.000And maybe Cheney just Nervous because, you know, they couldn't find rummy bushes.
01:52:41.000To my understanding, they actually did scramble a flight of F-16s that did not have munitions on there, and the intention was if they got close to a building that they were going to ram the airplane.
01:53:28.000According to the other hijackers, they're using a different name.
01:53:33.000And this guy has two first cousins caught working for Israeli intelligence, one of whom, Ali al-Jara, had been spying on Hezbollah since its inception in the 80s.
01:57:21.000Well, yeah, we had this big operation, so what?
01:57:24.000But if you look at the Somoza dynasty that had been diverting weapons to Israel, two in a row, and then supposedly, it's very similar to Syria.
01:57:35.000Publicly, we're against the Contras fighting the Santinistas.
01:57:44.000I understand, to some extent, it's probably hard for us to wag our fingers, or that's all we can do, if other people are funding groups that we don't like.
01:57:51.000I don't even know what recourse we could take against Saudi Arabia for moving money in the way they do without...
01:58:00.000As much as we might not like that they do it.
01:58:03.000They want you to sanction their oil and cut off your own foot or something.
01:58:05.000But it's worse than that because they were brought into a group called the Safari Club.
01:58:11.000After the Yom Kippur War in 1973, they realized OPEC has this oil weapon.
01:58:35.000But if this cartel produces production of oil...
01:58:40.000A, it helped the Soviet Union, because then they get to sell more at a higher price.
01:58:44.000And B, you know, we don't have, we were not, like now, where we only get about 12% of our oil from overseas, mostly from Canada, Mexico, and ourselves.
01:59:19.000They consciously worked with Saudi Arabia to send diaspora fighters into Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda, the base, just meant database, to fight Soviet Union.
01:59:33.000And that relationship didn't just disappear when the Soviet Union fell.
01:59:39.000And so they do covert operations all over the place.
01:59:42.000Al-Shabaab, Boko Haram, a lot of these things are financed through Saudis and Saudi proxies.
01:59:49.000Now, a new king or a new crown prince could get in and just 180 everything.
02:00:24.000And like you said, they'll claim Kuwait was angle drilling and da-da-da-da, but there's no way they can allow anybody to arise and break the hegemony that Israel currently has.
02:02:32.000I think most of the people that come on my chat tend to be pro-Palestinian because every time I talk to any of these guys that come on, I get a whole bunch of emails from my Jewish fans that get really upset.
02:02:45.000Hearing Destin make the argument that the CIA couldn't piece together a conspiracy because the people involved had long Arab names is the single most retarded debate moment I've ever seen in my life.
02:02:53.000I think something that I've heard, I feel more confident of this because I've gotten so much feedback.
02:02:58.000And I think most of us here agree with this.
02:03:01.000People have this idea that intelligence, even the name, you've got like 150 IQ guys that are speaking at least three languages that are clocking in in the morning for their like three hours of intense special ops training.
02:03:11.000And then they go like, the reality is a lot of the guys that work in intelligence are super average people.
02:03:15.000They're not, I'm not saying they're stupid, but it's not like these are all crack team intelligent people.
02:03:19.000And there are a lot of intelligence failures that happen sometimes.
02:03:21.000And the idea that there's this massive level of coordination.
02:03:25.000Part of the reason why the Department of Homeland Security is now the large department that took on a bunch of other, is an umbrella for a bunch of other agencies now, right?
02:03:34.000The reason why I believe that organization was created was to foster this more interagency communication.
02:03:39.000That the FBI, the CIA, the NSA all realized we do a really bad job at coordinating with each other.
02:03:53.000Sometimes leadership at the FBI might know, or a certain department might know, just because one guy in the FBI knows somebody doesn't mean it's instantaneously transmitted to every other agent.
02:03:59.000A lot of intel dies on people's desks or on the floors because it's either hard to corroborate, they can't get good information.
02:04:05.000It's a really complicated, shitty, non-perfect process.
02:04:09.000If you work for any military body or intelligence body in the United States, you can get daily warnings on places they think might be safe, might not be safe.
02:04:16.000It's not like a terrorist attack is always happening.
02:04:18.000There's just so much intel and so much information being vetted at any point in time.