In this episode, we discuss the current state of the manosphere and what we can do to move it forward. We also talk about the Red Pill and what it means to be a man in the modern manosphere.
00:12:22.000But today we're going to cover the state of the manosphere, what's going on, and what we can do to move forward.
00:12:28.000So, honestly speaking from the actual point of view of the viewers here, what is the definition of the manosphere, you would say, currently?
00:14:40.000But his whole Christian duty in life was to, like, lead people away from the red pill.
00:14:45.000And I'm like, does this guy even know what the red pill is?
00:14:49.000For me, I'm at the point right now where I'm not offended by people who want to fight the red pill or turn it into a straw man so they can knock it down because I'm at the point where all I want to do is I want to know what their background is.
00:15:03.000Do you even know what you're talking about?
00:15:07.000They think that the red pill, like I said, begins and ends with Andrew Tate and Pearl and that kind of stuff.
00:15:14.000And they have no real background or real history in the red pill or the manosphere or male, we call it male self-improvement space.
00:15:21.000Right now, the red pill could be political, it could be social, it could be religious.
00:15:26.000And that's exactly what I was saying in March of 2021, because the same thing had happened in the previous election cycle.
00:15:33.000I saw all these people coming into the space, and they would use the red pill, hashtag red pill, as their own little personal brand to represent I don't think a lot of people realize this, but if you go back and you look at Candace Owens' Twitter handle back in the day, it used to be Red Pill Black.
00:16:01.000Because they would take the red pill and apply it to the alt-right, or they would apply it to conservative politics, or they would apply it to whatever social impetus that they happened to be behind.
00:16:12.000Because to them, the red pill was just like, "Well, you know, you used to believe one thing, and now you believe something else." And I remember back in...
00:17:04.000What you and I do and what Myron does and what, you know, like some of the other guys that I know from, you know, like Rich Cooper and Ryan Stone and the rest of these guys who have been in the space for a long time.
00:17:15.000It's like we don't know what else to call it.
00:17:17.000There's no other real definition that really sort of serves a purpose.
00:17:21.000So we just call it whatever, you know, Red Pill and that's it.
00:17:24.000I see it as a place where a man can go to.
00:18:48.000We don't agree on everything, but we challenge each other so we can come to a better consensus about stuff.
00:18:54.000But when we do that on the show, on Access Vegas, that doesn't make for the best show.
00:19:00.000It's good if I'm sitting across from him and we're having this sort of meeting of the minds, but that's going to attract a different audience than it is for, oh, we're going to sit around and the girls look bored and they're on their phones and everything else, right?
00:19:13.000So then you have to re-engage the girls.
00:19:15.000And so you've got to make it something topical.
00:19:18.000But if it's just left to our own devices, me and Mike would just be talking about...
00:19:22.000If you think about all the things that are involved in the red pill, as far as intersexual dynamics is concerned, there's anthropology, sociology, evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, political science.
00:19:50.000I've got to know how your hormones work.
00:19:52.000Because if I don't, there's some smart son of a bitch that's in the forum somewhere where he didn't know that progesterone interacts with estradiol.
00:20:02.000Yeah, because I'm not an endocrinologist, but can you at least follow my logic?
00:20:17.000there's a there's a growing set of influencers or brand you know personal brand guys that have made it sort of their personal branding to find some way Monetary data.
00:20:30.000And so whether they have any prior knowledge is sort of irrelevant, right?
00:20:35.000Because they know that they're going to have a preset audience for them.
00:20:40.000That's already waiting to, like, yeah, fuck those guys, you know?
00:20:57.000You know, all bitches should be flown to the moon, you know, or some shit like that.
00:21:02.000All women need to be, you know, put into hijabs or something, like something outrageous, right?
00:21:09.000And then they'll go on, then some random dude will go on whatever podcast or somewhere else and they'll go, you guys always say that women should be flown to the moon.
00:21:49.000Yeah, I've never, you know, outside of being facetious with myself or being self-deprecating, have ever called myself like an alpha, right?
00:21:57.000I've jokingly referred to myself as a lesser alpha, but people don't know where that joke came from because it was so long ago.
00:22:02.000There's a blogger named Royce who used to have this personality test.
00:22:50.000But you go and you say you're an alpha, and you're not orthodox Christian, or you're not Catholic, or you're not this, or something like that, or your body fat percentage is at like 10%.
00:23:03.000Or if you don't have some sort of hyper-masculinized...
00:23:11.000You know, personality or characteristics or physical characteristics, then there'll be 10 or 12 other guys in the chat that'll just pile on, too, because you don't look like them.
00:23:25.000And you'll never I mean, you're never going to win, but I've always thought it was an interesting kind of social experiment to sort of look through some of the comments or look through some of the chats and stuff like that and see like what people will do when you give them data or you give them facts and you don't tell them how to feel about it.
00:23:44.000Because if you don't, they will infer what your meaning is or they'll just simply hate you for it.
00:25:08.000I've been talking about TRT since the Rich Cooper days, because Rich was on TRT long before anybody else was, and he was a big advocate of it.
00:25:14.000And I never really thought of it I needed it or really cared too much about it, because I was doing pretty good.
00:25:20.000In fact, I was just barely below enough in my serum testosterone to actually even qualify for Ageless Male.
00:27:33.000And then people who already know one of my workout friends, partners, whatever, Alvaro Pena, who is also a competitive fitness bodybuilder.
00:27:44.000And so I'm working out with them all the time, and effort feels good, right?
00:27:51.000And I decided, you know, when we talk about money, muscles, and game, I'm like, I'm going to focus on muscles for a while and see how this works out, right?
00:27:59.000And I put on, like, I just got, I had to get refitted for a suit at Jackson Maximus recently, and the guy's like, man, you've got 16-inch guns.
00:28:08.000And I was like, because he had the old measurements from when he did my first suit, and I had to have alterations done in my suit.
00:28:15.000And that my chest is wider, my shoulder, my boulder shoulders, you know, shoulders are my favorite thing to work out.
00:28:22.000But Powerhouse Gym is just, it was a game changer for me.
00:28:27.000And I think a lot of people think that once you, even if you're doing gear, even if you're doing trend, man.
00:30:26.000I remember, God, how many times has...
00:30:29.000How many times has Chris Williamson had Destiny on his show and asked that exact same fucking question, man?
00:30:36.000And every time, oh yeah, I think it's done, it was over, it was DOA, blah, blah, blah.
00:30:40.000You have no idea what you're talking about because the Manosphere, as we know it right now, has gone through so many paradigm shifts from the time.
00:30:48.000I mean, you've got to remember, I've been doing this for 22, 23 years now.
00:31:09.000When I look at the black pill, if I look at the doomers and I look at MGTOW, if I look at the white pill, if I look at some of these more moralistic guys who pick and pull parts of the red pill that they like, and then they go, well, I don't like this part of the red.
00:31:25.000Remember when Andrew Tate was at his peak, even Patrick Bette-David and the rest of these guys, who were his biggest fans, they didn't accept him wholesale.
00:32:18.000If it lines up with their religious beliefs or if it lines up with their political beliefs, that's, we're going to pull that and we're going to pull that and keep that, right?
00:32:25.000If it doesn't, then we're either going to ignore it or we're going to say, well, you know, we were never really fully, we were red pill adjacent.
00:32:33.000We were never really on board with any of that, right?
00:32:36.000And so what that says to me is they were just more about their own brand than they were about the Red Pill.
00:32:43.000And so the thing about the Red Pill is it's not one-size-fits-all.
00:32:48.000So these guys, you either take it or you leave it.
00:32:52.000I'm going to rub your noses in intersexual dynamics, and if you can accept that, fine.
00:33:00.000If you can't accept that, I'm at least telling you the truth.
00:33:05.000And so I think that it's not dead, per se.
00:33:09.000I just think that it's going through a shift right now.
00:33:11.000And the reason it's going through such sort of this paradigm shift, I guess, is because what's happening is the parts of the red pill that were working for these guys is not paying off as well.
00:33:52.000I guess a revenue model or it's this new sort of profit stream for people to not respond to anything.
00:33:59.000Like Twitter, to me anyways, is a discussion platform.
00:34:02.000But if you go and you look at like the accounts of like Jordan Peterson or Chris Williamson or some of these other like bigger names, they'll throw like quick hit drive-by tweets out there and you'll go, fuck you.
00:34:29.000Chris Williamson does not have time to run his Twitter account to the point where he could have any kind of substantive conversation on Twitter.
00:34:37.000So I've just pretty much given up on that because I'll get people who will send me...
00:34:42.000They'll link me something that somebody said, like maybe it's like the guy at Date Psych or it's Mac and Murphy or it's Will Costello or something like that.
00:34:50.000They built brands just basically off of trying to find out, you know, find some way to straw man the red pill and then knock it down.
00:34:59.000And then I go and respond and it's dead ass silence.
00:35:02.000And there's nothing to be said because they're not there for any kind of conversation.
00:35:07.000They're just there to build a brand based on shitting on the red pill.
00:35:12.000I think that's one of the reasons why people think it's dead.
00:35:21.000Andrew Wilson was talking with this one guy just like two days ago on Whatever Podcast.
00:35:25.000I had Brian from Whatever Podcast hit me up this morning, actually, and ask me if I wanted to come on and debate this guy.
00:35:30.000And I go, well, it's not going to be much of a debate because I'm just going to tell him what it's about and tell him where he's wrong.
00:35:37.000And there's not going to be much of a conversation there because the guy simply lacks the experience to have a substantive debate about any of this stuff.
00:35:45.000Because all he's going to say is, you guys always say this.
00:35:50.000And you're never going to get past that because what they're describing, what these guys who shit on the manuscript are describing is practices, not the praxeology.
00:35:59.000So when I talk about MGTOW, black pill, white pill, moral pill, gold pill, shit pill, God pill, whatever it is, when I talk about those things, those are all practices that draw from the red pill.
00:36:13.000So when people say, oh, Rollo's really going black pill these days.
00:36:17.000I'm red pill and I'm just telling you like it is.
00:36:20.000I'm not telling you what you should do.
00:36:23.000I'm just observing the facts, presenting you those facts, and allowing you as a critical thinking, intelligent human being to draw your own fucking conclusions.
00:36:32.000These guys' conclusions is, oh, I guess we better just give up.
00:37:05.000It's people who've taken the information that the red pill presents to them and they say, this is what we should do with this.
00:37:11.000So when people attack the red pill, they're not attacking the red pill.
00:37:14.000They're attacking these people who says this is the best practice.
00:37:17.000Can we also talk about what's happening currently in the news cycle?
00:37:20.000We're seeing more and more people getting lied about, allegations.
00:37:25.000From women, and we've been saying this for years, that listen, guys, it's a dog-eat-dog world out here.
00:37:29.000It's not safe if you're not RPWare, because what's happening is there's a shift in the marketplace, and women are having more control and more power.
00:37:36.000So now we're saying, in real time, celebrities that are up there getting destroyed by women every single day.
00:37:51.000We can go on for a whole episode, but the point is that this is happening, people can see it now for the first time actually happened in a multitude of examples.
00:38:01.000So I guess when people see that, do they still think, you think people should actually like, okay, you know what, I'm seeing it now in real time.
00:38:07.000I should learn, or should I just kind of stay away all the way because it's a bad thing for society?
00:39:52.000I'm going to have to divorce you because these guys, these random motherfuckers on chat, they're going to love me that much more if I just go out and fuck random hoes.
00:40:36.000No, but like, so receipts now, I think, I don't know, it depends on who you ask, receipts right now is living a good life with a wife and a family and being on your game, whereas before it was, you're not fucking random hoes, what's your body count?
00:40:51.000Because if your body count isn't in the triple digits, then you don't have any receipts.
00:40:56.000Bro, I feel like Jackie Chan, you know what that means.
00:42:35.000But the thing is, having this type of audience, this type of, I want to say, genre, they want to see you follow through line by line, everything.
00:42:44.000But you can't always do that because it's your life.
00:44:09.000He hates these people, he hates that thing, he's one of ours, right?
00:44:13.000And then if you like something, God forbid it's a movie, God forbid it's like any kind of pop culture or something like that, people will say you're gay, you don't know what you're talking about, or you're a tourist, you're casual, whatever.
00:44:28.000I don't know what the terms are right now.
00:45:27.000They think that I am like, oh look, that's his car that he bought with all of his ill-gotten gains from his book that he's trying to trick all these incels into thinking they have a chance with girls, you know?
00:45:40.000I mean, they're writing doctoral theses about how I'm scamming people because of this one picture on the back of your Audi and people think it's like my car.
00:45:50.000I'm like, how many times have I posted pictures of my Camaro and you think this is my car?
00:49:00.000But hate comes from above, sometimes, when they see you coming up in the rearview mirror.
00:49:04.000When they see you, like, you're getting pretty close.
00:49:07.000It's like that old lion who is, like, the king of the pride, and then there's a younger lion that's coming up in the rearview mirror, and he's not from below.
00:49:16.000He's from, like, right here with you, and you've got to do something.
00:50:55.000Problematic, I guess, when the jealousy or envy starts to get involved, when you get emotional about it.
00:51:02.000You can be detached from the emotionality of competition.
00:51:06.000If I am competing with someone, like I used to be a professional competition fencer, I don't hate the guy that's across the strip from me.
00:51:14.000I'm just like, if he's better than me, then he whips my ass, that's fine, but I learned something from that experience and I'm going to come back and try to do better on the next round.
00:51:24.000The other thing I think is kind of like ludicrous is when people say, well, you know, don't compare yourself to other people.
00:51:28.000Compare yourself to who you were yesterday.
00:51:34.000Powerhouse gym and I see the rest of these guys and I go, I want to look like that.
00:51:37.000Like they asked me this, what are your fitness goals?
00:51:40.000I'm like, I want to look like that motherfucker.
00:51:43.000Are you training for a master's competition or something?
00:51:47.000No, I want to look like that dude right there.
00:51:50.000Or I want to be in good shapes because I am a co-host of Access Vegas and I have to be at least somewhat semi in shape and at a certain body fat percentage to be taken seriously.
00:52:03.000In this environment, in this theater, right?
00:52:07.000I want to look good at a Wet Republic bikini contest.
00:52:10.000I want to look good with my shirt off.
00:52:58.000You need to have something to compare yourself to rather than just like what you used to be.
00:53:03.000Because if you're a fat ass and you're like slightly less of a fat ass and you feel good about that, well, the moment you can look in the mirror and be happy with what you see, you're sunk.
00:53:11.000You have to, like the human condition is defined by discontent, not content.
00:53:55.000I'm not saying that the red pill shouldn't be used for practices.
00:53:58.000I'm just saying the red pill in and of itself is a praxeology.
00:54:03.000What you do with that, like my job isn't to make men better men, it's to equip and educate men so that they can be better men on their own.
00:54:11.000Like I said, it's not one size fits all.
00:54:13.000That's how you get like 12 rules for life and here's seven hot tips to get chicks, right?
00:54:18.000I want you guys to be able to take the information of the red pill, which is very comprehensive, take that and apply it to your life and save your life with it and change your life with it.
00:55:30.000So guys who want to avoid allegations and stuff like that, that's all in the red pill.
00:55:37.000You can figure that out with the information.
00:55:39.000If you know female nature, you can avoid that.
00:55:42.000If you know how women's psyche works, if you know that women love opportunistically and men love idealistically, if you can sort of take that and leverage that to yourself, you can protect yourself from allegations.
00:55:59.000So, is there a connection between those two and the red pill?
00:57:13.000And I thought, I was looking back at that and like when you and I have conversations, I've been on this show with just me and Myron before.
00:57:20.000And like we remember, remember when Myron and I did the...
00:57:45.000Conversations about what the red pill is really about, because if you want to avoid these guys going on, you know, whatever podcast and saying, it's my Christian duty to make sure that people, you know, leave the red pill, right?
00:57:55.000You just don't know what you're talking about.
00:57:57.000And if we did more shows like that, then these guys wouldn't have a leg to stand on, because what that does is it destroys their straw man for them.
00:58:05.000So they can't say, oh, you guys, you red pill guys, don't you always say this, this and this?
00:58:09.000They always go back to Myron and say, Aren't you the guy that said you need to sleep with 50 women?
00:58:38.000Aren't you the guy that said vasectomy, vasectomy, vasectomy?
00:58:41.000And it's like, yeah, I did, you know, facetiously.
00:58:45.000And if you have watched anything since then, but they haven't, you know?
00:58:50.000And, of course, then everything that happened to you with Ling Ling, you know, I'm like, I guess this guy wasn't so crazy after all, right?
00:59:47.000Is this going to be one of those red meat kind of shows?
00:59:50.000And the answer is yes to all of that, right?
00:59:53.000I mean, we've had girls walk off the show before, but we don't kick the girls off.
00:59:58.000We're there to have a substantive conversation with the girls there, too, because what happens is when you have that back and forth, not only does it defeat the straw men creators, it also helps the women who watch our show, because we have a substantial viewership of women, too.
01:00:15.000It helps them understand, if you're going to try to educate women on the red pill, that's probably one of the best ways to do it.
01:01:39.000You get shows like this that have substantive conversation, and you don't give them a leg to stand on.
01:01:45.000So if you go and pull clips from, which nobody's going to do, but you pull clips from this and you say, okay, this is really what the red pill is really about, the praxeology of intersexual dynamics.
01:01:56.000And here's some of the things that we have observed.
01:01:58.000And if you want to have a conversation, you want to disagree with me.
01:02:02.000About the alpha widow dynamic, you know, war brides, 80-20 rule, you know, the spinning plates, all that kind of stuff.
01:02:09.000If you want to disagree with me about that, I'm all ears.
01:02:55.000And again, I think it's the meeting of the minds and the conversation that goes along with that because this is, I think, what people are really hungry for.
01:06:11.000It's going from being a white belt to a black belt.
01:06:15.000And by the way, anybody telling you that they're giving away free black belts and here's the magic way to do this, they're selling you something.
01:07:20.000And so if you think a pickup artist looks like Mystery from 2005 with big elevator boots and a digital sign on his chest, that died with the pickup artist on VH1, okay?
01:07:50.000And not to take anything away from Alan Roger Curry, but we have evolved from that and it has matured and it's something that's a lot more, I think, streamlined right now.
01:08:00.000And the only guy I can say who's really doing it correctly right now is Mike.
01:08:06.000I'm going to buff him out because when it comes to social proof and preselection and when it comes to just the way he's been doing it, it's much more modernized right now.
01:09:15.000Because what happens is guys tend to play to their strengths, which seems, it's deductive problem solving, right?
01:09:21.000If I'm not a good looking dude, and I don't, you know, I'm not physically, genetically, I'm not the best, you're probably going to think that chicks only want money.
01:09:29.000So you're going to like gross out in money, or you're going to gross out in games.
01:09:32.000So when people are deficient in one of those areas, they tend to gross out in another one of those.
01:09:38.000My, I know Rich Cooper will say something to the effect of like, you know, don't chase, women chase excellence, right?
01:09:44.000What does that even mean, like chasing excellence?
01:09:52.000And my take on this is that, and I hate to use this term, but money, muscles, and game are synergistic, meaning that if you benefit in one area, it tends to have an effect on the other.
01:10:03.000So if suddenly you go from being a fat fuck, And you get in shape six months, eight months later.
01:10:09.000If you're a better looking guy, are people going to treat you differently because you're a better looking guy?
01:10:13.000Okay, how is that going to affect your game?
01:10:15.000How is that going to affect your money situation too?
01:10:17.000Are you going to be up for a better job?
01:10:19.000Are you going to be up for a promotion?
01:11:05.000I know you guys are affiliates with Miguel, too.
01:11:08.000So am I. Whenever I do a show with them, I do a show about how these guys need to protect themselves from prostitutes and chicks who want to basically roll them.
01:11:31.000And they go from zero to hero too quickly.
01:11:34.000And what happens is they're not prepared for the bitches that are going to be at the Bitcoin convention that are going to try to roll them.
01:11:41.000Because that's exactly, it draws them like flies to shit, man.
01:12:15.000That's why I say that you have to have a good education in all of those.
01:12:19.000So if all you're doing is really majorly grossing out in money and you have no game and you have no way to defend yourself and you don't know what female nature is like or what your own nature as a guy is like, you're going to be prone to believing that that hot chick really loves you and your ship has finally come in, right?
01:12:44.000And no, you still have to know the red pill because you need to be able to sort of defend yourself against stuff like that.
01:12:49.000So, again, I think the basics is something that we need to kind of get back to going forward.
01:12:55.000I think we need to be hyper vigilant about questioning the veracity of what we see on social media.
01:13:06.000And I don't mean that just in terms of, like, politics.
01:13:09.000I mean that in terms of like, what is this guy telling me and using my capacity for critical thinking, does it pass the smell test?
01:13:18.000Is this guy trying to sell me something or is this something that I can actually use?
01:13:25.000And I think that's a skill that a lot of critical thinking skills right now is something that's really lacking, particularly in Generation Z. I don't know about Gen Alpha.
01:13:32.000Maybe I have a little more hope for these guys, but right now it's...
01:13:37.000If you look at the people who have been brought up behind tablets and cell phones and have grown up with social media and stuff like that, people go, oh, that guy's old.
01:14:02.000Anybody who's like over 30 is a boomer to Gen Z. Yeah, pretty much.
01:14:07.000It's like, no, get your generational shit straight.
01:14:11.000But I think that going forward, using those critical thinking skills and just simply, you just stop yourself for half a second and go, is this guy trying to sell?
01:14:19.000Because usually they are trying to sell me something.
01:14:24.000Also understand that you can make a separation between facts and how you feel about those facts, okay?
01:14:32.000So we talk about this all the time, like how you're trying to hold girls accountable on the show, right?
01:14:37.000And usually that lack of accountability is the difference between the fact that you present them and the feelings that they have about that fact.
01:14:47.000So somewhere in between there, whether they accept it or they don't, that's where that accountability lies.
01:14:53.000And for the most part, you know, they're three white claws in, they're going to get emotional and they don't care about that.
01:15:03.000You need to be able to separate your feelings from facts and deal with it accordingly.
01:15:09.000And once you can think in terms of empirical thinking as opposed to emotionalist thinking, once you get to that point, you can make better facts.
01:15:19.000I'm not saying that emotion doesn't matter.
01:15:24.000But the thing is, you can't live a life and base your life on how you feel about something.
01:15:29.000You should be able to look at the facts and think about things empirically and make a good choice and make a good decision based on those empirical facts and then sort out how you feel about it.
01:15:39.000I'm not saying be some social robot or be Mr. Spock or something like that.
01:15:47.000Basing your life's decisions on your emotions is a recipe for fucking disaster.
01:15:51.000You want to know why all these bitches are on here and we're kicking them off and they're getting hammered and they're like screaming at the top of their lungs?
01:15:57.000Because somewhere along the line they were taught that it's better to live their lives via emotion as opposed to facts and reason and empiricism.
01:16:07.000If you can do that as a guy, because we teach guys.
01:16:15.000Those defective girls, those little boys who we teach as defective girls, become men who are defective women when they get to be adults.
01:16:23.000And that's why you run into these guys like, I'm going to bring down the red pill.
01:16:26.000Yeah, because you're basing that on how you feel, not on the facts, not on actually asking any kind of substantive questions or thinking empirically.
01:16:34.000And if you did, you'd have a completely different opinion.
01:17:15.000And this one's a little bit different.
01:17:16.000It's going to be titled Reignite, which is the name of my group, but the essence of it is tying all of these independent...
01:17:26.000ideas and concepts together so if I talk about like say mental point of origin or if I talk about burden of performance or I talk about frame like those are like some really popular well what's frame you know what's people think mental point of origin is like you know Put yourself first, bro.
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