Fresh & Fit - The Current State Of The Manosphere w- Rollo Tomassi

00:11:13.000 And we're live, guys.

00:11:14.000 Welcome back to the show.

00:11:16.000 We're going to cover today the Manosphere and the Current State.

00:11:19.000 Let's go.

00:12:10.000 All right, man, and we're back.

00:12:11.000 Listen.

00:12:11.000 Look at my feet.

00:12:12.000 Look, they're naked. 1.00

00:12:14.000 There's no slippers on.

00:12:15.000 No socks, bro.

00:12:16.000 No socks, bro.

00:12:16.000 That's how I roll.

00:12:18.000 We had an awesome show a few nights ago after hours with you and Sartain.

00:12:22.000 Thank you for that.

00:12:22.000 But today we're going to cover the state of the manosphere, what's going on, and what we can do to move forward.

00:12:28.000 So, honestly speaking from the actual point of view of the viewers here, what is the definition of the manosphere, you would say, currently?

00:12:35.000 It's evolved so much.

00:12:37.000 I've been doing this for...

00:12:40.000 It wasn't even called Manosphere when I started, actually.

00:12:42.000 What's it called?

00:12:43.000 I don't know.

00:12:44.000 It was like...

00:12:44.000 Forums?

00:12:45.000 Well, it was more like...

00:12:46.000 Yeah, it was the forum days.

00:12:47.000 So I started really moderating a forum called So Suave back in the mid-2000s, like right around 2004-ish.

00:12:59.000 I laugh when people go, well, Rollo didn't invent the red pill or anything like that.

00:13:02.000 People don't understand the term red pill has been around since...

00:13:07.000 They were watching Fairly Odd Parents and Jimmy Neutron, right?

00:13:12.000 I went to the Sosaw forums and I actually looked up my earliest post where I used the term red pill and it was December 2004.

00:13:23.000 It's been around a lot longer than most people really want to accept, right?

00:13:27.000 Because I think people think that the red pill or the manosphere begins and ends with Andrew Tate, you guys and Pearl.

00:13:34.000 I think that's all they know, and it's only been around for like, you know, four years as far as they're concerned.

00:13:39.000 I think we made it more mainstream, so to speak.

00:13:40.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:13:41.000 Yeah, yeah, definitely brought it to light, for sure.

00:13:43.000 And I've said this on the show when we had Mike on with us.

00:13:47.000 There's that one clip of me and you guys.

00:13:50.000 I think it was in the very earliest days.

00:13:52.000 I think it was March of 2021, and I think it was like the second or third time I've been on the show.

00:13:58.000 You said it.

00:13:58.000 I had more subs than you did at that time.

00:14:02.000 It's true.

00:14:03.000 It didn't last long, but I did.

00:14:05.000 But you guys asked me, you said, is the Man of Spheres of Red Pill going to go mainstream?

00:14:10.000 And my words were, I hope not.

00:14:12.000 I didn't say they wouldn't.

00:14:13.000 I just said, I hope not.

00:14:14.000 Because what I see happening, what I predicted was going to happen then, and really what's happening right now.

00:14:21.000 Is that it's sort of been appropriated by people who have no real business being in this space to begin with.

00:14:28.000 So, like, I was watching whatever podcast about a day ago, and Andrew Wilson was on there, and he was debating this guy.

00:14:37.000 I have no idea who the guy was.

00:14:38.000 I have never seen the guy in my life.

00:14:40.000 But his whole Christian duty in life was to, like, lead people away from the red pill. 0.68

00:14:45.000 And I'm like, does this guy even know what the red pill is?

00:14:49.000 For me, I'm at the point right now where I'm not offended by people who want to fight the red pill or turn it into a straw man so they can knock it down because I'm at the point where all I want to do is I want to know what their background is.

00:15:03.000 Do you even know what you're talking about?

00:15:05.000 Because most of the time they don't.

00:15:07.000 They think that the red pill, like I said, begins and ends with Andrew Tate and Pearl and that kind of stuff.

00:15:14.000 And they have no real background or real history in the red pill or the manosphere or male, we call it male self-improvement space.

00:15:21.000 Right now, the red pill could be political, it could be social, it could be religious.

00:15:26.000 And that's exactly what I was saying in March of 2021, because the same thing had happened in the previous election cycle.

00:15:33.000 I saw all these people coming into the space, and they would use the red pill, hashtag red pill, as their own little personal brand to represent I don't think a lot of people realize this, but if you go back and you look at Candace Owens' Twitter handle back in the day, it used to be Red Pill Black.

00:15:58.000 Before it was Candace Owens, yes.

00:16:01.000 Because they would take the red pill and apply it to the alt-right, or they would apply it to conservative politics, or they would apply it to whatever social impetus that they happened to be behind.

00:16:12.000 Because to them, the red pill was just like, "Well, you know, you used to believe one thing, and now you believe something else." And I remember back in...

00:16:36.000 What, 2010, 2012?

00:16:38.000 People would hate us because they would think that the red pill in the Matrix was cringe.

00:16:43.000 Like, oh, who's using that?

00:16:45.000 Blue pill, red pill?

00:16:46.000 What is this, the Matrix?

00:16:47.000 And people thought they would shit all over it because they thought it was corny back then.

00:16:54.000 Now, nobody thinks it's corny.

00:16:56.000 Now it's like the red pill is whatever it is to, you know.

00:16:59.000 Everybody.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, to everybody.

00:17:01.000 So right now, it's like it's almost me.

00:17:03.000 I don't know what else to call.

00:17:04.000 What you and I do and what Myron does and what, you know, like some of the other guys that I know from, you know, like Rich Cooper and Ryan Stone and the rest of these guys who have been in the space for a long time.

00:17:15.000 It's like we don't know what else to call it.

00:17:17.000 There's no other real definition that really sort of serves a purpose.

00:17:21.000 So we just call it whatever, you know, Red Pill and that's it.

00:17:24.000 I see it as a place where a man can go to.

00:17:26.000 For help and some guidance.

00:17:28.000 And also learn from themselves how to become a better man.

00:17:31.000 But I think people have taken it for granted and said, you know what?

00:17:34.000 I can use this, I want to say, these people or this genre to boost my own audience to kind of just get in favor.

00:17:41.000 But never really a part of it just came to take.

00:17:43.000 Well, they turn it into a personal brand.

00:17:45.000 That's why.

00:17:46.000 And it's not that I'm not my own personal brand.

00:17:47.000 I am.

00:17:48.000 But in its purest form, the red pill is a praxeology.

00:17:52.000 Meaning that it is the...

00:17:54.000 Science or the study of human behavior in that it has a purpose.

00:17:58.000 There's a function.

00:17:59.000 There's a latent purpose for why we do what we do.

00:18:02.000 And I apply that in the red pill.

00:18:06.000 I apply that as the praxeology of intersexual dynamics.

00:18:09.000 So if people ask me for like the elevator pitch or like, well, what is the red pill in five minutes, right?

00:18:14.000 I'll just say it's the praxeology of intersexual dynamics.

00:18:18.000 And that's a mouthful for them.

00:18:19.000 Like they want a bumper sticker.

00:18:21.000 And that's the problem with all of this is it's not a bumper sticker.

00:18:25.000 It's like a college major is what it is.

00:18:29.000 Because you think about all of the...

00:18:31.000 I mean, shit, you just watch Access Vegas, and me and Mike will...

00:18:35.000 We were doing it here on the show, even.

00:18:37.000 Mike and I, and we have to catch ourselves doing this.

00:18:39.000 We will bounce ideas off of each other all the time.

00:18:42.000 That's why we work so great, is he's into the same kind of...

00:18:46.000 He reads the same stuff that I do.

00:18:47.000 And we'll...

00:18:48.000 We don't agree on everything, but we challenge each other so we can come to a better consensus about stuff.

00:18:54.000 But when we do that on the show, on Access Vegas, that doesn't make for the best show.

00:19:00.000 It's good if I'm sitting across from him and we're having this sort of meeting of the minds, but that's going to attract a different audience than it is for, oh, we're going to sit around and the girls look bored and they're on their phones and everything else, right?

00:19:13.000 So then you have to re-engage the girls. 1.00

00:19:15.000 And so you've got to make it something topical.

00:19:18.000 But if it's just left to our own devices, me and Mike would just be talking about...

00:19:22.000 If you think about all the things that are involved in the red pill, as far as intersexual dynamics is concerned, there's anthropology, sociology, evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, political science.

00:19:36.000 There's so many sub...

00:19:41.000 I'm not an expert in 90% of these things.

00:19:47.000 Endocrinology, neurology.

00:19:48.000 I've got to know how the brain works.

00:19:50.000 I've got to know how your hormones work. 1.00

00:19:52.000 Because if I don't, there's some smart son of a bitch that's in the forum somewhere where he didn't know that progesterone interacts with estradiol.

00:20:02.000 Yeah, because I'm not an endocrinologist, but can you at least follow my logic?

00:20:08.000 And I will get...

00:20:11.000 I think there's a...

00:20:12.000 You were asking me about the manosphere and the red pill word.

00:20:16.000 I think it's going.

00:20:17.000 there's a there's a growing set of influencers or brand you know personal brand guys that have made it sort of their personal branding to find some way Monetary data.

00:20:30.000 And so whether they have any prior knowledge is sort of irrelevant, right?

00:20:35.000 Because they know that they're going to have a preset audience for them.

00:20:40.000 That's already waiting to, like, yeah, fuck those guys, you know?

00:20:43.000 Tell me why we should hate them.

00:20:45.000 And 90% of the time, it's guys who will take something outrageous they heard, or maybe it's something they saw in the chat, right?

00:20:54.000 They'll say, it'll be like...

00:20:57.000 You know, all bitches should be flown to the moon, you know, or some shit like that. 1.00

00:21:02.000 All women need to be, you know, put into hijabs or something, like something outrageous, right? 1.00

00:21:09.000 And then they'll go on, then some random dude will go on whatever podcast or somewhere else and they'll go, you guys always say that women should be flown to the moon. 1.00

00:21:21.000 And I'm like, where the...

00:21:22.000 Where the fuck is this coming from?

00:21:24.000 And it's some random comment or some clip that they heard on TikTok or a YouTube short, and they'll go, yeah, that's those red pill guys.

00:21:34.000 They're alphas.

00:21:35.000 Those alpha male podcasts.

00:21:37.000 Who says that?

00:21:39.000 This is an alpha male podcast.

00:21:40.000 Welcome to the alpha male podcast.

00:21:42.000 I don't know one person that has said, I'm an alpha male.

00:21:47.000 Look at me.

00:21:48.000 Who does that?

00:21:49.000 Yeah, I've never, you know, outside of being facetious with myself or being self-deprecating, have ever called myself like an alpha, right?

00:21:57.000 I've jokingly referred to myself as a lesser alpha, but people don't know where that joke came from because it was so long ago.

00:22:02.000 There's a blogger named Royce who used to have this personality test.

00:22:09.000 Hartiste.

00:22:09.000 Yeah, well, it became Hartiste later on.

00:22:12.000 And he used to have this kind of semi-joking questionnaire.

00:22:18.000 To answer the questions right, you were either like a lesser beta, a greater beta, somewhere in between.

00:22:23.000 I took it one time just for shits and giggles, and I came out as a lesser alpha, so I started calling myself a lesser alpha.

00:22:29.000 He called himself a lesser alpha.

00:22:31.000 He's not alpha.

00:22:33.000 He doesn't look like me.

00:22:34.000 He doesn't smell like me. 0.55

00:22:35.000 He doesn't dress like me.

00:22:36.000 How dare you! 0.99

00:22:38.000 It's whatever they're...

00:22:39.000 Whenever you talk about alpha...

00:22:41.000 It triggers people.

00:22:43.000 If you say this guy's beta, no problem.

00:22:45.000 Nobody has a quit.

00:22:46.000 Everybody knows what beta looks like.

00:22:48.000 Everybody knows that guy's a loser.

00:22:49.000 Yeah, he's real beta.

00:22:50.000 But you go and you say you're an alpha, and you're not orthodox Christian, or you're not Catholic, or you're not this, or something like that, or your body fat percentage is at like 10%. 0.54

00:23:03.000 Or if you don't have some sort of hyper-masculinized...

00:23:11.000 You know, personality or characteristics or physical characteristics, then there'll be 10 or 12 other guys in the chat that'll just pile on, too, because you don't look like them.

00:23:22.000 You don't do what they say.

00:23:23.000 You don't believe what they say.

00:23:25.000 And you'll never I mean, you're never going to win, but I've always thought it was an interesting kind of social experiment to sort of look through some of the comments or look through some of the chats and stuff like that and see like what people will do when you give them data or you give them facts and you don't tell them how to feel about it.

00:23:44.000 Because if you don't, they will infer what your meaning is or they'll just simply hate you for it.

00:23:49.000 Just how it works.

00:23:51.000 That's powerful.

00:23:51.000 By the way, shout out to Jayden and Mollick for gifting five subs.

00:23:54.000 Shout out to your brother.

00:23:54.000 Again, guys, I'm doing the actual subathon next Friday.

00:23:59.000 We're going to have the speech therapist give me a session.

00:24:03.000 And you know what's funny about this, man?

00:24:04.000 You're going to see me live on air.

00:24:06.000 Get speech lessons.

00:24:10.000 Next Friday, be here to tell me square.

00:24:12.000 You want me to tell you something funny?

00:24:13.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:24:14.000 Now, I didn't say I'm going to do this yet, but I've been considering shaving my head.

00:24:18.000 What?

00:24:18.000 Yeah, considering shaving my head.

00:24:19.000 Now, the reason why I talked to my buddy Joe Marin, he says, we have to do it live.

00:24:24.000 We would have to go to a barber.

00:24:26.000 We'd have to do it on a live stream or something like that.

00:24:29.000 Now, bring the barber to you.

00:24:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:32.000 Bring him in the studio.

00:24:33.000 And the reason I would do that is because I want people to know that I actually do have hair, and I'm now shaving.

00:24:38.000 I wasn't bald before, and now I'm going to shave it off because I was looking at maybe doing the Jason Statham thing.

00:24:43.000 Can we address the roles on these?

00:24:46.000 Roids or whatever.

00:24:50.000 You got in shape, right?

00:24:51.000 And I'm like, congrats.

00:24:52.000 At your age, you're in good shape.

00:24:54.000 They're like, oh, he's on steroids.

00:24:55.000 Bro, can you tell them real quick what he's on?

00:24:58.000 He's on gear.

00:24:58.000 About a year and a half ago, I finally took Mike Sartain's advice and started doing TRT.

00:25:06.000 Now, I've been talking...

00:25:08.000 I've been talking about TRT since the Rich Cooper days, because Rich was on TRT long before anybody else was, and he was a big advocate of it.

00:25:14.000 And I never really thought of it I needed it or really cared too much about it, because I was doing pretty good.

00:25:20.000 In fact, I was just barely below enough in my serum testosterone to actually even qualify for Ageless Male.

00:25:29.000 Shout out to Ageless Male. 0.96

00:25:30.000 You guys are the ones that gave me the gains.

00:25:33.000 And then, so I started doing it, and I remember when I started doing it.

00:25:38.000 I think it was 8 weeks in or 10 weeks in.

00:25:40.000 You don't feel different until you've been on it for a while.

00:25:44.000 You get to the 10-week mark or the 12-week mark, the colors in your world change.

00:25:48.000 And it's not just about...

00:25:50.000 It's not like a...

00:25:52.000 It's testosterone cypionate.

00:25:54.000 It's not like a...

00:25:55.000 It's not like some high...

00:25:58.000 It's not T-Pro.

00:25:59.000 It's not Diana Ball.

00:26:00.000 It's not Prima Boland or anything like that.

00:26:03.000 But if you have been low and suddenly you're back to normal, you're like, I want to fuck everything in this room.

00:26:09.000 I want to go do stuff.

00:26:12.000 And Mike got it right.

00:26:13.000 It makes effort feel good.

00:26:16.000 I was at the point, you got to remember when I started it, I was already a year into Access Vegas.

00:26:21.000 And so here I have been doing and making trips from Reno all the way down to Las Vegas and back for every show that we did.

00:26:28.000 I was telling you before the show, you know, I had to get a car because I was spending a small fortune on Uber.

00:26:33.000 I ended up getting a rental place, essentially living in Vegas.

00:26:37.000 So that's why I ended up moving to Vegas, right?

00:26:39.000 But it was at that point where I realized I am...

00:26:42.000 Surrounded by beautiful women all the time.

00:26:44.000 Just the nature of the show.

00:26:47.000 After we would do shows, we go to Zouk, we go to Omnia, we go to Hakkasan.

00:26:51.000 You're the one that taught me this, is that you need to have an Instagram presence because people like to see your lifestyle.

00:26:57.000 And so I'm thinking about this and I'm going, I just jumped into, escalated the game, right?

00:27:04.000 I'm not in Reno anymore.

00:27:05.000 I'm in Las Vegas now.

00:27:07.000 And I have to maintain an appearance.

00:27:10.000 And it was at that time I started going to Powerhouse Gym in Las Vegas.

00:27:13.000 So now I'm on TRT.

00:27:15.000 I start working out with Hide Yamagishi, who is the IFBB Pro champion from 2023.

00:27:24.000 And Iris Kyle is the co-owner.

00:27:28.000 And she is 10 times Miss Olympia.

00:27:30.000 Thank you very much.

00:27:31.000 The only one to ever do it 10 times.

00:27:33.000 And then people who already know one of my workout friends, partners, whatever, Alvaro Pena, who is also a competitive fitness bodybuilder.

00:27:44.000 And so I'm working out with them all the time, and effort feels good, right?

00:27:49.000 And I'm never missing a workout.

00:27:51.000 And I decided, you know, when we talk about money, muscles, and game, I'm like, I'm going to focus on muscles for a while and see how this works out, right?

00:27:59.000 And I put on, like, I just got, I had to get refitted for a suit at Jackson Maximus recently, and the guy's like, man, you've got 16-inch guns.

00:28:08.000 And I was like, because he had the old measurements from when he did my first suit, and I had to have alterations done in my suit.

00:28:15.000 And that my chest is wider, my shoulder, my boulder shoulders, you know, shoulders are my favorite thing to work out.

00:28:22.000 But Powerhouse Gym is just, it was a game changer for me.

00:28:27.000 And I think a lot of people think that once you, even if you're doing gear, even if you're doing trend, man.

00:28:33.000 You still have to work out.

00:28:35.000 Muscles don't just magically jump on your body.

00:28:38.000 You actually have to make effort and you have to be disciplined, nutrition, everything else.

00:28:42.000 Is TRT considered a steroid or no?

00:28:44.000 TRT?

00:28:45.000 TRT is not considered a steroid, although I'm sure some people in the chat are going to say it is.

00:28:50.000 Because it's testosterone-sipionate.

00:28:52.000 It's not like testosterone propanate.

00:28:56.000 It's not like T-Pro.

00:28:57.000 It's not like Masterone or anything like that.

00:29:00.000 If you were going to call it a steroid, it would be the lowest grade steroid that there is.

00:29:06.000 Okay.

00:29:07.000 It's so low, you can get it without a prescription.

00:29:11.000 There you go.

00:29:11.000 That should tell you something.

00:29:12.000 Alright guys, now you know what he's really on.

00:29:13.000 You actually have to work out though.

00:29:15.000 You have to have...

00:29:16.000 And that's what I did was I got my shit together.

00:29:18.000 You want to know why the new book is not ready yet?

00:29:21.000 That's why.

00:29:22.000 Because I've been focusing on something else.

00:29:24.000 Yeah, I think for most people though, once you pass like 35 plus, you're going to probably want to get on that.

00:29:28.000 Because the water we drink, the food we eat, it's all full of like a bunch of bad stuff for us anyway.

00:29:33.000 Regarding lower test scores.

00:29:36.000 I forget the guy's name.

00:29:37.000 Ed was saying the...

00:29:41.000 The older you get, the more being in shape is a flex.

00:29:46.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:29:48.000 That is facts.

00:29:50.000 I will say, though, close fit you're better to as well once you get in shape.

00:29:53.000 So you can wear anything once you're in shape.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, well, any shirt's a muscle shirt if you have muscles.

00:29:57.000 That's true.

00:29:59.000 That's he.

00:30:00.000 He did Yamagishi.

00:30:04.000 He taught me that.

00:30:04.000 He's like, any shirt's a muscle shirt if you have muscles.

00:30:08.000 So there was an argument a couple weeks ago.

00:30:10.000 Where the question was, is the Manosphere dead?

00:30:13.000 And then they brought up, who killed it?

00:30:16.000 And the argument was that people from within killed it.

00:30:19.000 So the people that were actually part of the Manosphere destroyed it inside out.

00:30:23.000 What do you think about that?

00:30:24.000 I don't think the Manosphere is dead.

00:30:26.000 I remember, God, how many times has...

00:30:29.000 How many times has Chris Williamson had Destiny on his show and asked that exact same fucking question, man?

00:30:36.000 And every time, oh yeah, I think it's done, it was over, it was DOA, blah, blah, blah.

00:30:40.000 You have no idea what you're talking about because the Manosphere, as we know it right now, has gone through so many paradigm shifts from the time.

00:30:48.000 I mean, you've got to remember, I've been doing this for 22, 23 years now.

00:30:51.000 You've seen it at all?

00:30:51.000 I've seen it go through phases.

00:30:54.000 It wasn't even called the Manosphere when it was started.

00:30:57.000 We use the red pill as sort of an analogy, but I think we need to make a distinction between the manosphere and the red pill, for sure.

00:31:08.000 I look at it this way.

00:31:09.000 When I look at the black pill, if I look at the doomers and I look at MGTOW, if I look at the white pill, if I look at some of these more moralistic guys who pick and pull parts of the red pill that they like, and then they go, well, I don't like this part of the red. 0.68

00:31:25.000 Remember when Andrew Tate was at his peak, even Patrick Bette-David and the rest of these guys, who were his biggest fans, they didn't accept him wholesale.

00:31:36.000 They didn't accept the whole thing.

00:31:38.000 They were like, I like what he has to say about being on point.

00:31:41.000 All the stuff that aligned with their brand, they would pull that and they would keep that.

00:31:47.000 But anything that was off-brand, they were just ignoring it, or they didn't want to attack it, but they would just ignore it.

00:31:54.000 They wouldn't pull that.

00:31:56.000 So it's what I call pick-and-pull red pill.

00:31:58.000 Same thing goes for this moralistic group that's the moralists right now.

00:32:03.000 They're really happy when something that the red pill observes...

00:32:11.000 If it aligns with, like, patriarchy, right?

00:32:13.000 Or it aligns with something they read in the Bible or something they read in the Koran, right?

00:32:17.000 Or something, whatever.

00:32:18.000 If it lines up with their religious beliefs or if it lines up with their political beliefs, that's, we're going to pull that and we're going to pull that and keep that, right?

00:32:25.000 If it doesn't, then we're either going to ignore it or we're going to say, well, you know, we were never really fully, we were red pill adjacent.

00:32:33.000 We were never really on board with any of that, right?

00:32:36.000 And so what that says to me is they were just more about their own brand than they were about the Red Pill.

00:32:43.000 And so the thing about the Red Pill is it's not one-size-fits-all.

00:32:48.000 So these guys, you either take it or you leave it.

00:32:52.000 I'm going to rub your noses in intersexual dynamics, and if you can accept that, fine. 0.94

00:33:00.000 If you can't accept that, I'm at least telling you the truth.

00:33:05.000 And so I think that it's not dead, per se.

00:33:09.000 I just think that it's going through a shift right now.

00:33:11.000 And the reason it's going through such sort of this paradigm shift, I guess, is because what's happening is the parts of the red pill that were working for these guys is not paying off as well.

00:33:25.000 As shitting on the red pill.

00:33:27.000 As the parts that didn't.

00:33:28.000 And so now what you see is you see these guys shifting over towards the negative side of things.

00:33:34.000 And so now what do they do?

00:33:35.000 They build up straw men about the red pill.

00:33:37.000 You guys always say this.

00:33:38.000 You guys say that.

00:33:39.000 I'm like, no we don't.

00:33:40.000 Who are you talking about?

00:33:42.000 Call names.

00:33:44.000 Please call names.

00:33:45.000 That's the first thing I do whenever I see this.

00:33:48.000 Especially on Twitter right now.

00:33:49.000 It's this new sort of...

00:33:52.000 I guess a revenue model or it's this new sort of profit stream for people to not respond to anything.

00:33:59.000 Like Twitter, to me anyways, is a discussion platform.

00:34:02.000 But if you go and you look at like the accounts of like Jordan Peterson or Chris Williamson or some of these other like bigger names, they'll throw like quick hit drive-by tweets out there and you'll go, fuck you.

00:34:16.000 Have you ever thought about this?

00:34:17.000 Who are you talking about?

00:34:19.000 Crickets.

00:34:20.000 There's no reply whatsoever.

00:34:21.000 It's a dead-ass science.

00:34:23.000 And the reason for that is because they're not doing those tweets.

00:34:25.000 They have a PR team that's doing those tweets.

00:34:27.000 They don't run their Twitter.

00:34:28.000 They don't have time.

00:34:29.000 Chris Williamson does not have time to run his Twitter account to the point where he could have any kind of substantive conversation on Twitter.

00:34:36.000 It's not going to happen.

00:34:37.000 So I've just pretty much given up on that because I'll get people who will send me...

00:34:42.000 They'll link me something that somebody said, like maybe it's like the guy at Date Psych or it's Mac and Murphy or it's Will Costello or something like that.

00:34:50.000 They built brands just basically off of trying to find out, you know, find some way to straw man the red pill and then knock it down.

00:34:59.000 And then I go and respond and it's dead ass silence.

00:35:02.000 And there's nothing to be said because they're not there for any kind of conversation.

00:35:07.000 They're just there to build a brand based on shitting on the red pill.

00:35:12.000 I think that's one of the reasons why people think it's dead.

00:35:14.000 It's not dead.

00:35:15.000 It's just that there's no conversation that's being had.

00:35:18.000 I mentioned before how...

00:35:21.000 Andrew Wilson was talking with this one guy just like two days ago on Whatever Podcast.

00:35:25.000 I had Brian from Whatever Podcast hit me up this morning, actually, and ask me if I wanted to come on and debate this guy.

00:35:30.000 And I go, well, it's not going to be much of a debate because I'm just going to tell him what it's about and tell him where he's wrong.

00:35:37.000 And there's not going to be much of a conversation there because the guy simply lacks the experience to have a substantive debate about any of this stuff.

00:35:45.000 Because all he's going to say is, you guys always say this.

00:35:48.000 You guys always say that.

00:35:50.000 And you're never going to get past that because what they're describing, what these guys who shit on the manuscript are describing is practices, not the praxeology.

00:35:59.000 So when I talk about MGTOW, black pill, white pill, moral pill, gold pill, shit pill, God pill, whatever it is, when I talk about those things, those are all practices that draw from the red pill. 0.83

00:36:13.000 So when people say, oh, Rollo's really going black pill these days.

00:36:16.000 I'm like, no, I'm not.

00:36:17.000 I'm red pill and I'm just telling you like it is.

00:36:20.000 I'm not telling you what you should do.

00:36:23.000 I'm just observing the facts, presenting you those facts, and allowing you as a critical thinking, intelligent human being to draw your own fucking conclusions.

00:36:32.000 These guys' conclusions is, oh, I guess we better just give up.

00:36:35.000 The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

00:36:37.000 I'm out.

00:36:37.000 Bye.

00:36:38.000 Right?

00:36:38.000 Or else it might be, yeah, you know what we need to do?

00:36:41.000 We need to looks max.

00:36:42.000 You know, you get these look smacks.

00:36:44.000 You know, for all the people who are look smacks, I'd be like, how come you're not in the gym, man?

00:36:48.000 How come you're not a personal trainer?

00:36:49.000 How come you're not on trend?

00:36:50.000 How come you're not, you know, like, if it's all about looks, how come you're not taking that as your best practice?

00:36:56.000 And leveraging it to your best advantage.

00:36:59.000 And that's really what the white pill does.

00:37:01.000 That's what MGTOW does. 0.89

00:37:03.000 That's what black pill.

00:37:04.000 Those are practices.

00:37:05.000 It's people who've taken the information that the red pill presents to them and they say, this is what we should do with this.

00:37:11.000 So when people attack the red pill, they're not attacking the red pill.

00:37:14.000 They're attacking these people who says this is the best practice.

00:37:17.000 Can we also talk about what's happening currently in the news cycle?

00:37:20.000 We're seeing more and more people getting lied about, allegations.

00:37:25.000 From women, and we've been saying this for years, that listen, guys, it's a dog-eat-dog world out here. 0.98

00:37:29.000 It's not safe if you're not RPWare, because what's happening is there's a shift in the marketplace, and women are having more control and more power. 1.00

00:37:36.000 So now we're saying, in real time, celebrities that are up there getting destroyed by women every single day. 0.99

00:37:41.000 Shannon Sharp, to name a few.

00:37:43.000 Oh, God.

00:37:44.000 Me and Mike did a whole episode on Shannon Sharp.

00:37:46.000 Yeah.

00:37:46.000 And then, obviously, there's Chris Brown, too, as well, from back in the day.

00:37:49.000 There's Soulja Boy.

00:37:51.000 We can go on for a whole episode, but the point is that this is happening, people can see it now for the first time actually happened in a multitude of examples.

00:38:00.000 Jonah Hill was one of those as well.

00:38:01.000 So I guess when people see that, do they still think, you think people should actually like, okay, you know what, I'm seeing it now in real time.

00:38:07.000 I should learn, or should I just kind of stay away all the way because it's a bad thing for society?

00:38:11.000 Oh yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:38:12.000 So she just like... 0.67

00:38:14.000 You know, put a wall between you and all of that rather than just sort of like try to play the game better.

00:38:18.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 Right, yeah.

00:38:19.000 Yeah, I get what you're saying.

00:38:20.000 No, we've talked about, again, this is all best practices now.

00:38:23.000 So I can, you know, of all those names, you know what name is not on that list?

00:38:29.000 Rolla Tomasi, who's been a part of this for a long time.

00:38:32.000 You've not seen me in any kind of scandal.

00:38:34.000 No S.A. charges.

00:38:35.000 Even me, I'm in the scandal.

00:38:36.000 And no baby traps.

00:38:39.000 What's that to me?

00:38:39.000 No thirst traps.

00:38:42.000 Rolla's really boring.

00:38:43.000 Yeah, well, sorry.

00:38:44.000 That's just how it is.

00:38:45.000 I've been married for coming up on 29 years now.

00:38:49.000 You have a good life, man.

00:38:50.000 You know, I'll tell you what's funny.

00:38:53.000 I can remember when I would get run off the flagpole because they'd say, "Rolo Tomasi don't get no hoes, man!" You know?

00:38:59.000 Show me some hoes that Rolo Tomasi has. 1.00

00:39:01.000 Guys, I can say right now...

00:39:03.000 Those were receipts back then.

00:39:05.000 If Rolo was single, he'd be tearing the city up.

00:39:08.000 Trust me.

00:39:08.000 But as a faithful God-fearing man, he is faithful to the T. And a father.

00:39:15.000 I'm not going to hold you Rolo.

00:39:16.000 Just like you, Fresh.

00:39:17.000 Hold on.

00:39:19.000 If I was him and Biggest...

00:39:20.000 Bro, I've been going bonkers, bro.

00:39:22.000 Like, keeping it real.

00:39:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:23.000 I love the snow.

00:39:24.000 But, again, props to you for being faithful all these years.

00:39:29.000 I'll tell you what's funny is, like, prior to where we're at right now, again, it just depends on who you're talking to.

00:39:37.000 Like, I remember when people would give me shit about, like, oh, Rolla hasn't seen a new pussy in a long time, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:39:44.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:39:46.000 So that's receipts to you.

00:39:47.000 Would you have more respect for me if I was out?

00:39:50.000 You know what?

00:39:51.000 I'm sorry, dear.

00:39:52.000 I'm going to have to divorce you because these guys, these random motherfuckers on chat, they're going to love me that much more if I just go out and fuck random hoes. 1.00

00:39:59.000 So those are receipts.

00:40:00.000 And then if you go and you talk to the moralistic crowd, it's like...

00:40:05.000 I'm the most conservative dude they know because I have been faithful to my wife.

00:40:10.000 I've been married for 29 years.

00:40:11.000 And so now those are receipts.

00:40:13.000 To be faithful to your wife and to have like a good family.

00:40:17.000 But I don't have enough kids.

00:40:18.000 So I only had one.

00:40:19.000 I guess I only get like 10 daddy cool points instead.

00:40:22.000 You can't win, bro.

00:40:23.000 10 per child, I think is how it is.

00:40:25.000 You can't win, huh?

00:40:26.000 You can't be married.

00:40:26.000 You're red pill.

00:40:27.000 You can't be red pill.

00:40:28.000 You're married.

00:40:29.000 Exactly.

00:40:30.000 Yeah, I know.

00:40:31.000 That was the first thing you ever did, wasn't it?

00:40:34.000 Yeah, that was funny.

00:40:36.000 No, but like, so receipts now, I think, I don't know, it depends on who you ask, receipts right now is living a good life with a wife and a family and being on your game, whereas before it was, you're not fucking random hoes, what's your body count? 1.00

00:40:51.000 Because if your body count isn't in the triple digits, then you don't have any receipts.

00:40:56.000 Bro, I feel like Jackie Chan, you know what that means.

00:41:00.000 Jackie!

00:41:01.000 So, you know what's funny?

00:41:05.000 Back then especially, I used to show a lot of receipts, right?

00:41:07.000 Not all, of course, but just like some.

00:41:09.000 Just a sprinkle in there.

00:41:09.000 Hey, we're still here.

00:41:10.000 We're dating.

00:41:11.000 We're in the marketplace.

00:41:11.000 Making it happen.

00:41:13.000 However, you know what happened to my audience and channel?

00:41:17.000 They would go to the girls' page, look at their parents, brothers, uncles, and the like.

00:41:22.000 And some of them were worried because they were kind of like, not racist, but they're kind of like race-dependent.

00:41:27.000 Where, for example, they'll say, oh, well, I'm white.

00:41:30.000 He's smashing white girls, so I'm going to tell him. 1.00

00:41:33.000 So he's telling, they're telling the parents like, oh, why is he smashing this black guy?

00:41:37.000 I'm like, you guys are weird, bro.

00:41:39.000 And then it became like an obsession between, oh, who is he smashing now?

00:41:43.000 Is there a sex tape?

00:41:43.000 I'm like, you guys are weird, bro.

00:41:45.000 So receipts is one thing, but I feel like it never really gave them enough because they always wanted more.

00:41:50.000 And it was like, wait, did you go all the way?

00:41:53.000 Yes, nigga, I went all the way.

00:41:54.000 She's still here, bro.

00:41:54.000 Shut up.

00:41:55.000 But the point is that like...

00:41:56.000 Receipts, bro.

00:41:57.000 She's cleaning up right now.

00:41:59.000 This is a thing in the past.

00:42:00.000 Even doing one stream, bro, about my channel, I was doing it on the balcony.

00:42:03.000 And they were like, no, he didn't do it.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, he did.

00:42:06.000 But it's never enough because with receipts, they always want more.

00:42:09.000 Never enough, bro.

00:42:09.000 Yeah, again, it goes back to that alpha thing.

00:42:12.000 He's not doing what I want him to do.

00:42:13.000 He's not alpha, and I shouldn't follow him.

00:42:15.000 And then I remember- He's too old.

00:42:17.000 I shouldn't follow him, right?

00:42:18.000 It's like, well, what do you want?

00:42:19.000 Do you want, like, information?

00:42:20.000 Exactly.

00:42:21.000 What do you want?

00:42:21.000 And then the issue was, oh, he's not getting my game.

00:42:24.000 He must be paying.

00:42:26.000 I'm like, bro, you don't think by now, after all those examples, one that said, you know what?

00:42:32.000 Yeah, he paid me.

00:42:33.000 Where?

00:42:34.000 There's none.

00:42:35.000 But the thing is, having this type of audience, this type of, I want to say, genre, they want to see you follow through line by line, everything.

00:42:44.000 But you can't always do that because it's your life.

00:42:47.000 And you show too much, it's curtains.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, well, I mean...

00:42:53.000 There's a price that comes with that.

00:42:54.000 Because I remember when you and I, when I first met you, it was like in January.

00:42:59.000 I personally met you in January 2021.

00:43:02.000 And you're actually responsible for me starting my Instagram page and getting my Instagram going.

00:43:06.000 Because people want to see what you're doing every day.

00:43:09.000 And all this stuff.

00:43:10.000 And I'm like, do they?

00:43:12.000 And they do.

00:43:12.000 And I was like, oh, this is awesome.

00:43:14.000 And so I'm posting stuff up.

00:43:15.000 There's definitely a difference between.

00:43:19.000 Posting on Twitter and posting on Instagram.

00:43:22.000 Because Twitter has been my ride for a long, long time.

00:43:26.000 And whenever I put, like, I'm posting pictures.

00:43:28.000 I caught a sailfish, by the way, on my fishing chart.

00:43:31.000 The first time I ever caught a sailfish in my life, it was, like, knock it off my bucket list.

00:43:35.000 I go and I put pictures or video on Instagram, and people are like, hey, man, right on.

00:43:40.000 God, that's great.

00:43:40.000 Awesome, awesome, great show.

00:43:41.000 You put it on fucking Twitter, like, that's all you caught?

00:43:43.000 That's all you caught?

00:43:45.000 You're lame, bro.

00:43:46.000 It's only an eight-foot sailfish.

00:43:48.000 I caught a 12-foot one.

00:43:51.000 Yeah, Twitter is full of hate, bro.

00:43:53.000 Actually, I think it was my wife who said this.

00:43:55.000 She said, if you like something on Twitter, people hate you for it.

00:43:59.000 But if you love something on Twitter, they will hate you for it.

00:44:03.000 But if you hate something, they will love you for it.

00:44:07.000 Because it's like, oh, one of us!

00:44:09.000 He hates these people, he hates that thing, he's one of ours, right?

00:44:13.000 And then if you like something, God forbid it's a movie, God forbid it's like any kind of pop culture or something like that, people will say you're gay, you don't know what you're talking about, or you're a tourist, you're casual, whatever.

00:44:28.000 I don't know what the terms are right now.

00:44:29.000 You're corny, you're cringe.

00:44:31.000 Cringe! 0.97

00:44:32.000 You know what's cringe?

00:44:33.000 The word cringe.

00:44:34.000 It literally is cringe right now.

00:44:36.000 Stupid!

00:44:38.000 I'm waiting for us to come up with something new.

00:44:41.000 No, but there's a definite qualitative difference between Twitter and Instagram.

00:44:48.000 But my point was this, and I brought this up not on your show, but on a few other shows.

00:44:54.000 Do you remember last time I was here, last year?

00:44:56.000 And we were actually taking Hero out to the dog park.

00:44:59.000 Yes.

00:45:00.000 And we were in your Audi.

00:45:01.000 And you're like, hey, I need to take a picture of you because we got to put it on the thumbnail because all my pictures were old.

00:45:07.000 And so I'm like there.

00:45:08.000 I'm just like this on the back of the Audi.

00:45:11.000 And I thought it was a pretty cool picture, right?

00:45:13.000 And so I posted it.

00:45:14.000 And I posted it on, this was, by the way, I hate to say, both Instagram and Twitter.

00:45:21.000 I realized I have gotten to the point where I cannot post any picture.

00:45:26.000 Without people thinking it's a flex.

00:45:27.000 They think that I am like, oh look, that's his car that he bought with all of his ill-gotten gains from his book that he's trying to trick all these incels into thinking they have a chance with girls, you know?

00:45:40.000 I mean, they're writing doctoral theses about how I'm scamming people because of this one picture on the back of your Audi and people think it's like my car.

00:45:50.000 I'm like, how many times have I posted pictures of my Camaro and you think this is my car?

00:45:55.000 You know what's funny about that?

00:45:57.000 I'll never forget this, right?

00:45:58.000 We did the podcast.

00:45:59.000 It's going pretty well.

00:46:00.000 And it was all love.

00:46:03.000 The moment I posted the McLaren, it was like...

00:46:05.000 Oh, my God.

00:46:06.000 It was like, hold on.

00:46:07.000 Hold on.

00:46:07.000 Oh, shit.

00:46:13.000 Oh, hell.

00:46:14.000 Bro, the hate train came in full effect.

00:46:17.000 And you know what?

00:46:17.000 If memory serves, you got that, Angel.

00:46:21.000 Oh, shit.

00:46:24.000 What happened in August of 2021?

00:46:27.000 That's when Abba and Preach came at you.

00:46:29.000 Yep.

00:46:30.000 Right after that fucking picture.

00:46:31.000 It's funny.

00:46:33.000 It's funny because I got a friend, Batman Cable, right?

00:46:36.000 He shows lifestyle to a different level.

00:46:38.000 It's like a dream.

00:46:40.000 And he told me, and it's true, the moment you post yourself doing well, it's like you're inviting the evil eye, the hate to come on you.

00:46:48.000 And it's funny.

00:46:49.000 He gets a head on us, they don't show any wealth.

00:46:52.000 No, no, no.

00:46:53.000 But hold on, but they have it though.

00:46:54.000 So I'm like, oh, so you're playing, go to two shows, like, oh, I don't have anything.

00:46:58.000 But you really do have a lot of stuff.

00:47:00.000 You just don't show it.

00:47:01.000 But the point is that, like, having things that people don't have, you just bring about hate.

00:47:05.000 So I think there's a level of, like, hate in our own industry where, like, guys will see others doing well.

00:47:11.000 Oh, why is he doing better than me?

00:47:12.000 He has a book.

00:47:13.000 Why do I have a book?

00:47:14.000 And it's like, wait a minute.

00:47:15.000 Are you putting in the work?

00:47:16.000 Are you actually networking, making connections, and doing things correctly?

00:47:18.000 No.

00:47:19.000 That's why you're still where you're at.

00:47:20.000 Versus having an actual good message for your audience, having them to improve and move forward.

00:47:26.000 But my thing is like, that right there is a downfall because us as men, we hit on each other in our own industry.

00:47:32.000 We're always competitive.

00:47:33.000 We will.

00:47:33.000 Men, even the best of friends, even if it's a friendly rivalry, it's still a rivalry.

00:47:38.000 But hold on, I can compete with you.

00:47:39.000 I don't have to hate you.

00:47:40.000 No, not at all.

00:47:41.000 I hope you do compete with me.

00:47:43.000 But they hate you.

00:47:44.000 Makes me better, yeah.

00:47:45.000 But they hate you.

00:47:46.000 It's like a deep hit.

00:47:47.000 Why him, not me?

00:47:48.000 Yeah.

00:47:48.000 Okay, so for example, let's say Roll's in shape, right?

00:47:50.000 I'm 32. He is...

00:47:53.000 57. 57. I can be hating right now.

00:47:55.000 Damn, he's got muscle.

00:47:56.000 I don't.

00:47:57.000 But to be honest with you, I don't work out that much.

00:47:59.000 And I don't eat that well.

00:48:00.000 I am changing now, of course, but it's still going up.

00:48:03.000 But I can say, you know what?

00:48:04.000 Damn, I need to do better and focus.

00:48:07.000 Versus saying, I hate this nigga, bro. 1.00

00:48:09.000 Fuck.

00:48:09.000 You come to Las Vegas, work at a powerhouse gym, I guarantee you, you will change their body.

00:48:15.000 But the point is, I took that approach to you, and I said, you know what?

00:48:19.000 Positively, I'm going to say, alright, he's doing well, I'm going to take some tips from him, and learn to flip my life.

00:48:24.000 Versus saying, oh, I hate this nigga. 1.00

00:48:27.000 I don't even know you.

00:48:28.000 I know you now, but it's like, so to me, it's how we approach it as creators, and we kind of say, alright, well...

00:48:35.000 He has a larger audience, I'm going to attack him.

00:48:38.000 Or he has, I don't know, a show with girls every night, let's attack him. 0.98

00:48:41.000 But it's never like, okay, I can learn, maybe collab with people, and improve the whole brand itself.

00:48:47.000 It's more like, sorry, the whole industry.

00:48:48.000 It's more like, I see him doing well, I want to take him down.

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:52.000 Well, I'll tell you, like, Rich Cooper has this saying, like, hate only comes from below, right?

00:48:56.000 Which, I think it's a pretty good rule.

00:48:58.000 Generally, I think that's true.

00:48:59.000 Generally, I think that's true.

00:49:00.000 But hate comes from above, sometimes, when they see you coming up in the rearview mirror.

00:49:04.000 When they see you, like, you're getting pretty close.

00:49:07.000 It's like that old lion who is, like, the king of the pride, and then there's a younger lion that's coming up in the rearview mirror, and he's not from below.

00:49:16.000 He's from, like, right here with you, and you've got to do something.

00:49:19.000 And that keeps us better.

00:49:21.000 Competition, whether even it's friendly rivalry and friendly competition, it still makes us better as guys, right?

00:49:27.000 And it's not like I hate you or something like that, but it's like I don't have a...

00:49:32.000 What a Rolls Royce Phantom or whatever it is you used to have.

00:49:35.000 I don't even know what you're driving right now.

00:49:37.000 A couple.

00:49:37.000 But when you guys went from...

00:49:42.000 I remember when you guys made the shift from 80,000 subs to 100,000.

00:49:46.000 You got that plaque right there.

00:49:49.000 And I got my plaque a month later.

00:49:52.000 On the show.

00:49:53.000 On the show, as a matter of fact.

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 And so...

00:49:59.000 I thought that was pretty cool because you guys had hit it.

00:50:02.000 And then I helped Adam Sosnick get up to 100k.

00:50:06.000 I helped Jed Abila get up to 100k.

00:50:09.000 I like to think I helped Mike get up past, you know, I think he's at 100k right now.

00:50:14.000 You did.

00:50:14.000 Yeah, just by being there and helping and lifting everybody up.

00:50:18.000 I'm doing that just because I'm there for the conversation.

00:50:20.000 I'm learning.

00:50:22.000 Even people who have very low sub...

00:50:27.000 I'll still go on your show because if I feel like I can learn something from you, I'm still going to do that.

00:50:32.000 And that learning from you is me taking something from you.

00:50:35.000 It's still competition, but I'm not being a dick about it.

00:50:38.000 I'm not trying to crush your life or destroy you as a human being.

00:50:41.000 What can I learn from this guy?

00:50:42.000 What can I take away from this experience?

00:50:44.000 And that's kind of a low-key, low-energy version of competition.

00:50:49.000 And there's really nothing wrong with that.

00:50:51.000 It only becomes like...

00:50:55.000 Problematic, I guess, when the jealousy or envy starts to get involved, when you get emotional about it.

00:51:02.000 You can be detached from the emotionality of competition.

00:51:06.000 If I am competing with someone, like I used to be a professional competition fencer, I don't hate the guy that's across the strip from me.

00:51:14.000 I'm just like, if he's better than me, then he whips my ass, that's fine, but I learned something from that experience and I'm going to come back and try to do better on the next round.

00:51:24.000 The other thing I think is kind of like ludicrous is when people say, well, you know, don't compare yourself to other people.

00:51:28.000 Compare yourself to who you were yesterday.

00:51:30.000 Fuck that.

00:51:31.000 You don't do that.

00:51:32.000 Nobody does that.

00:51:33.000 If I walk into...

00:51:34.000 Powerhouse gym and I see the rest of these guys and I go, I want to look like that.

00:51:37.000 Like they asked me this, what are your fitness goals?

00:51:40.000 I'm like, I want to look like that motherfucker.

00:51:43.000 Are you training for a master's competition or something?

00:51:47.000 No, I want to look like that dude right there.

00:51:50.000 Or I want to be in good shapes because I am a co-host of Access Vegas and I have to be at least somewhat semi in shape and at a certain body fat percentage to be taken seriously.

00:52:03.000 In this environment, in this theater, right?

00:52:07.000 I want to look good at a Wet Republic bikini contest.

00:52:10.000 I want to look good with my shirt off.

00:52:12.000 Yeah, those are the things.

00:52:13.000 But I'm not saying I want to be able to beat this guy.

00:52:16.000 I'm never going to beat Hideo Yamagishi in an IFBB Pro competition.

00:52:20.000 I know that.

00:52:22.000 But just to take that information from somebody, even if you get personal training and stuff like that, you're basically...

00:52:31.000 Taking what they know and using it for your own...

00:52:33.000 If you're smart, you're using it for your own advantage.

00:52:36.000 You're leveraging that.

00:52:37.000 And you're curving the learning curve for yourself because now it's shorter.

00:52:41.000 By the way, everybody compares themselves to other people.

00:52:44.000 There is no getting around that.

00:52:45.000 It's just human nature.

00:52:46.000 It's the way we evolved.

00:52:47.000 It's the way we're built.

00:52:48.000 And I think the more we embrace that, the healthier you're going to end up being.

00:52:53.000 Because it's...

00:52:53.000 I mean, you can take that to an unhealthy extreme, obviously.

00:52:57.000 But...

00:52:58.000 You need to have something to compare yourself to rather than just like what you used to be.

00:53:03.000 Because if you're a fat ass and you're like slightly less of a fat ass and you feel good about that, well, the moment you can look in the mirror and be happy with what you see, you're sunk.

00:53:11.000 You have to, like the human condition is defined by discontent, not content.

00:53:17.000 You'll never be happy.

00:53:19.000 You can do things that make you happy, but you will never actually be happy because we would stagnate.

00:53:24.000 We would just be homogenous at that point.

00:53:28.000 And it's a good thing that we're discontent because that's what makes us grow.

00:53:31.000 Good point.

00:53:34.000 I did not answer your question.

00:53:36.000 Your question was about these guys that are getting allegations and stuff.

00:53:43.000 And I think that you can take...

00:53:46.000 Accusations!

00:53:47.000 Accusations!

00:53:48.000 You could take what you know of the red pill and apply that.

00:53:53.000 To best practices.

00:53:55.000 I'm not saying that the red pill shouldn't be used for practices.

00:53:58.000 I'm just saying the red pill in and of itself is a praxeology.

00:54:03.000 What you do with that, like my job isn't to make men better men, it's to equip and educate men so that they can be better men on their own.

00:54:11.000 Like I said, it's not one size fits all.

00:54:13.000 That's how you get like 12 rules for life and here's seven hot tips to get chicks, right? 0.99

00:54:17.000 That's bullshit.

00:54:18.000 I want you guys to be able to take the information of the red pill, which is very comprehensive, take that and apply it to your life and save your life with it and change your life with it.

00:54:29.000 Not...

00:54:29.000 It's not a cookie cutter.

00:54:31.000 It's not a formula because I'm a white 57-year-old dude and you're a black 32, 33?

00:54:37.000 32. 32-year-old man.

00:54:39.000 We come from, you're from Barbados.

00:54:40.000 I'm from, my background's from Denmark, whatever.

00:54:44.000 Yes.

00:54:45.000 Close enough.

00:54:46.000 Yeah, so, I mean, let's be honest.

00:54:48.000 You've had a problem stuttering and stuff like that, too.

00:54:50.000 Okay.

00:54:51.000 I have never had to worry about that, but your experience is different than mine.

00:54:55.000 You coming to America, your experience is different.

00:54:59.000 I've always been in America.

00:55:00.000 I'm some dumb white kid from Huntington Beach, right?

00:55:03.000 So my experience is going to be different from you, but you can still take the information that the red pill has, and you have.

00:55:10.000 You've used it quite successfully.

00:55:14.000 And I've got guys in my Reignite program right now who are like saying, hey man, you really saved my life.

00:55:19.000 Thank you for doing that.

00:55:19.000 And I'll ask them, how so?

00:55:21.000 How did that happen?

00:55:22.000 Because I want to see the work.

00:55:23.000 I want to see what they did with the information and the equipment that I gave them.

00:55:29.000 And how it improved their life.

00:55:30.000 So guys who want to avoid allegations and stuff like that, that's all in the red pill.

00:55:37.000 You can figure that out with the information.

00:55:39.000 If you know female nature, you can avoid that. 1.00

00:55:42.000 If you know how women's psyche works, if you know that women love opportunistically and men love idealistically, if you can sort of take that and leverage that to yourself, you can protect yourself from allegations.

00:55:59.000 So, is there a connection between those two and the red pill?

00:56:02.000 Absolutely, there is.

00:56:03.000 It's just, you've got to figure out how to leverage it for yourself, for your individual needs.

00:56:07.000 Good point.

00:56:08.000 Any chats, fellas, or no?

00:56:12.000 Alright.

00:56:13.000 And then we'll do the last question here.

00:56:15.000 Jake the Mullet, shout out to you for the subs, bro.

00:56:17.000 Jake the Mullet, shout out to you, brother.

00:56:19.000 Dominicano Corneo, these are truly the best type of tools for knowledge.

00:56:22.000 Thank you.

00:56:22.000 Yeah, I think, back in the day, we used to do a lot more.

00:56:24.000 We used to do a lot more of these.

00:56:26.000 Yeah, because...

00:56:26.000 Listen, I know the foundation is obviously the Red Pill dating, but we've kind of segmented the different stuff as well.

00:56:33.000 But this is what the courierest people want to see anyway.

00:56:35.000 Of course, it helps men become better.

00:56:37.000 You know, we did a...

00:56:38.000 You were in it.

00:56:39.000 You and I and Marquette and Aaron Clary and Jake Shields was in it.

00:56:44.000 I'm trying to think who else was on it.

00:56:46.000 Myron.

00:56:46.000 Myron was on it.

00:56:47.000 Mike was on it.

00:56:49.000 Crypto.

00:56:50.000 From No...

00:56:51.000 Miguel?

00:56:52.000 Miguel.

00:56:53.000 But who's the guy from NoFugazi?

00:56:57.000 Was he on that show?

00:56:58.000 No.

00:56:59.000 Anyways, it was just like us.

00:57:01.000 No chicks. 0.99

00:57:02.000 Aaron Cleary.

00:57:02.000 Aaron Cleary was on it.

00:57:03.000 Yeah, Aaron was on it too.

00:57:05.000 But anyways, we were on that one show.

00:57:07.000 That was one of the best watched shows we ever had.

00:57:08.000 Yeah.

00:57:09.000 No girls. 0.99

00:57:10.000 No girls. 0.99

00:57:10.000 Just guys talking. 0.99

00:57:11.000 Just guys talking.

00:57:12.000 Maybe a man.

00:57:13.000 And I thought, I was looking back at that and like when you and I have conversations, I've been on this show with just me and Myron before.

00:57:20.000 And like we remember, remember when Myron and I did the...

00:57:24.000 The Grape Statistics Show.

00:57:28.000 Yes.

00:57:28.000 Just chock full of stats and facts and stuff like that.

00:57:31.000 People still go back to that.

00:57:33.000 Amazing breakdown.

00:57:33.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.000 I think that if you want to know what I think the Manosphere is lacking right now, that.

00:57:39.000 It's lacking really hardcore, substantive...

00:57:45.000 Conversations about what the red pill is really about, because if you want to avoid these guys going on, you know, whatever podcast and saying, it's my Christian duty to make sure that people, you know, leave the red pill, right?

00:57:55.000 You just don't know what you're talking about.

00:57:57.000 And if we did more shows like that, then these guys wouldn't have a leg to stand on, because what that does is it destroys their straw man for them.

00:58:05.000 So they can't say, oh, you guys, you red pill guys, don't you always say this, this and this?

00:58:09.000 They always go back to Myron and say, Aren't you the guy that said you need to sleep with 50 women?

00:58:14.000 Yeah.

00:58:14.000 And it's like, yeah, once.

00:58:15.000 And it was in, you know, sort of like as an analogy kind of thing.

00:58:20.000 If that's the case, I've got to go get, what, nine more chicks tonight so I can live up to his expectations. 0.99

00:58:24.000 It wasn't a hard number.

00:58:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:27.000 But what do they do?

00:58:29.000 It sounds outrageous.

00:58:31.000 Let's make a straw man out of it and build a brand out of it in knocking it down.

00:58:35.000 And you will hear that constantly.

00:58:37.000 Don't you guys say this?

00:58:38.000 Aren't you the guy that said vasectomy, vasectomy, vasectomy?

00:58:41.000 And it's like, yeah, I did, you know, facetiously.

00:58:45.000 And if you have watched anything since then, but they haven't, you know?

00:58:50.000 And, of course, then everything that happened to you with Ling Ling, you know, I'm like, I guess this guy wasn't so crazy after all, right?

00:58:57.000 And it's just, it's amazing to me.

00:59:00.000 But, like, how do you combat that?

00:59:02.000 You have substantive conversations just like this.

00:59:06.000 Yeah, this is a lost talk we need to bring back.

00:59:09.000 A lost art.

00:59:09.000 For sure.

00:59:10.000 I think a lot of people have a problem with me and Mike on Access Vegas.

00:59:13.000 I mean, sometimes we kind of nerd out a little bit.

00:59:15.000 That is true.

00:59:16.000 A little bit?

00:59:16.000 A lot.

00:59:18.000 But the thing is that we're a different show because we tend to stick to more substantive conversations, right?

00:59:25.000 Our point is not to kick the girls off.

00:59:27.000 It's to have that conversation.

00:59:28.000 Even if they're drunk, loud 304s, right? 1.00

00:59:32.000 But we're still having a conversation, and I think people don't know what to do with us.

00:59:38.000 Is this a serious show?

00:59:39.000 Are these guys here to simp for these girls?

00:59:44.000 Is anybody going to get kicked off?

00:59:47.000 Is this going to be one of those red meat kind of shows?

00:59:50.000 And the answer is yes to all of that, right?

00:59:53.000 I mean, we've had girls walk off the show before, but we don't kick the girls off. 1.00

00:59:58.000 We're there to have a substantive conversation with the girls there, too, because what happens is when you have that back and forth, not only does it defeat the straw men creators, it also helps the women who watch our show, because we have a substantial viewership of women, too.

01:00:15.000 It helps them understand, if you're going to try to educate women on the red pill, that's probably one of the best ways to do it. 1.00

01:00:22.000 Yeah.

01:00:23.000 I think the show is great.

01:00:26.000 The only thing I can see is that, like, for example, they want to see the gore, the crazy kickouts.

01:00:31.000 Well, nobody goes to a NASCAR race to see who wins.

01:00:35.000 They see who crashes and burns.

01:00:37.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 So, I mean, you know what it is, bro?

01:00:39.000 Bottom line, entertainment.

01:00:41.000 That's what they want to see.

01:00:42.000 And to be fair, I get you, bro.

01:00:44.000 The world's tough.

01:00:44.000 Things are going bad in your life.

01:00:46.000 You want to laugh, have fun.

01:00:47.000 I get it.

01:00:48.000 But this could save your life wholeheartedly.

01:00:50.000 Well, and the problem I have, like, so it's great when...

01:00:55.000 When it's fun, it's great when you can understand the nature of the show.

01:00:59.000 But then what happens is you get all these guys who spurg out on it.

01:01:03.000 And you get these guys who just take everything freaking literal.

01:01:05.000 And you know what you get after that?

01:01:06.000 You get shows like that documentary or that docu-tainment series called Adolescence on Netflix.

01:01:15.000 I don't know if you guys have talked about that.

01:01:17.000 But people go, oh, I can't believe this.

01:01:19.000 They're so full of shit.

01:01:20.000 They don't know anything about Andrew Tate.

01:01:21.000 They don't know anything about the 80-20 rule, which was included in that.

01:01:25.000 I watched the whole series, right?

01:01:27.000 And I'm like, how could they get so much of this wrong?

01:01:29.000 Well, how do they get it wrong?

01:01:31.000 Because they think that that's all it's about.

01:01:33.000 They think it's just about entertainment, and that's not what it's about.

01:01:37.000 Again, how do you combat that?

01:01:39.000 You get shows like this that have substantive conversation, and you don't give them a leg to stand on.

01:01:45.000 So if you go and pull clips from, which nobody's going to do, but you pull clips from this and you say, okay, this is really what the red pill is really about, the praxeology of intersexual dynamics.

01:01:56.000 And here's some of the things that we have observed.

01:01:58.000 And if you want to have a conversation, you want to disagree with me.

01:02:02.000 About the alpha widow dynamic, you know, war brides, 80-20 rule, you know, the spinning plates, all that kind of stuff. 1.00

01:02:09.000 If you want to disagree with me about that, I'm all ears.

01:02:12.000 Please do.

01:02:13.000 But if you're going to say, oh, you guys, here's what the 80-20 rule is about.

01:02:17.000 You guys always say, fuck 50 girls, right? 0.95

01:02:19.000 That's not a conversation.

01:02:20.000 That's just hearsay.

01:02:21.000 It's because they don't want to actually debate or argue.

01:02:23.000 No, they want to build a brand.

01:02:26.000 Exactly.

01:02:26.000 They want a straw man, knock the straw man down, and build a brand on that straw man.

01:02:31.000 Last question from me before we end off.

01:02:32.000 Do we have one more super chat?

01:02:35.000 Yeah, this is a good show so far, bro.

01:02:38.000 I think people want this type of content still, and we need it to come back as well.

01:02:42.000 Every time...

01:02:43.000 Myron was in Vegas.

01:02:46.000 A few months back and it was just me and him did a show.

01:02:49.000 You were along for that one too, but me and him did that show and everybody loved it.

01:02:53.000 It was a very high view show for us.

01:02:55.000 And again, I think it's the meeting of the minds and the conversation that goes along with that because this is, I think, what people are really hungry for.

01:03:00.000 They're hungry for education.

01:03:02.000 You know what I want to do coming up as well?

01:03:05.000 I want to interview Girls 101.

01:03:07.000 Sure.

01:03:07.000 Hear me out.

01:03:08.000 I think that obviously the show does great numbers by itself with all the girls, Myron, everything.

01:03:15.000 There's shit that they don't want to say in front of everybody.

01:03:18.000 And the shit I hear, bro, I'm like, whoa.

01:03:22.000 If y 'all can hear what I hear behind the scenes about what they do, dude.

01:03:25.000 But I think if a one-on-one is better for bringing it out and they're comfortable, they feel good, the vibe is right, they'll say it.

01:03:32.000 So I think that will help show guys another aspect of the world as well.

01:03:35.000 There's this one girl that we have on the show. 0.69

01:03:38.000 She's a semi-regular.

01:03:40.000 Her name is Bree, and she pushes back on Mike all the time. 1.00

01:03:42.000 I would love to see them.

01:03:44.000 Both do a one-on-one just like that.

01:03:48.000 You mean on Access Vegas?

01:03:49.000 On Access Vegas, yeah.

01:03:51.000 Mike will know who I'm talking about.

01:03:53.000 Alright, what's next chat?

01:03:56.000 HiddenDragonKNI, thank you fresh for all you do.

01:03:59.000 You will never know how much you help.

01:04:01.000 I'm up to 190 subs and 2.7k watch hours.

01:04:04.000 Shout out to your brother.

01:04:05.000 Don DeMarco for you, bro.

01:04:06.000 Keep going.

01:04:09.000 I'm grinding hard.

01:04:11.000 Pause.

01:04:12.000 And we'll be back on my feet soon.

01:04:14.000 The BFNF.

01:04:14.000 Shout out to you, bro.

01:04:15.000 Look, I got these now.

01:04:16.000 I gotta put them on.

01:04:17.000 Oh yeah, he's dragging both of these shoes.

01:04:18.000 Oh my god.

01:04:19.000 So the argument was, why is Willow wearing Myron's shoes?

01:04:22.000 People gave me so much shit for that.

01:04:23.000 Like, how dare he?

01:04:24.000 It's all good, man.

01:04:25.000 It's all good.

01:04:25.000 How dare you?

01:04:26.000 How dare you?

01:04:29.000 So, I guess, for the guys here watching that are still in the dating market.

01:04:36.000 He's watching you like, he understands everything.

01:04:39.000 Hero.

01:04:40.000 Hero, what is the best?

01:04:42.000 Wait.

01:04:43.000 What is best in life?

01:04:44.000 For men to navigate the current dating market and not get divorced.

01:04:48.000 He will tell you.

01:04:49.000 Not lose.

01:04:50.000 He's seen it all.

01:04:50.000 He's seen Rolo.

01:04:52.000 If you ever could talk, bro.

01:04:53.000 He's the hidden gem of the show.

01:04:54.000 If he could talk, he's seen, bro.

01:04:56.000 It's a good thing he can't.

01:04:57.000 It's a good thing he can't talk.

01:04:59.000 Oh my God.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, nigga, don't talk.

01:05:00.000 But the point is that like, you know, how can guys now move forward and navigate this crazy thing?

01:05:08.000 Because, dude, back when we started the show, it was really crazy.

01:05:11.000 Now it's like on steroids because you got more information out there.

01:05:15.000 More people are hooked on being accepted in the culture.

01:05:20.000 So more liberal, more woke.

01:05:22.000 But also people are focused on how can I get things faster from other people now?

01:05:27.000 For example, take advantage.

01:05:28.000 So it's like both genders are still battling to an extent, but it's up like 10 notches. 0.95

01:05:35.000 So how should a man navigate now in the current dating market, you would say?

01:05:38.000 First of all, I think education is a primary thing.

01:05:42.000 And that's one of those things that's like what you just said about instant gratification.

01:05:47.000 Everybody wants a magic pill.

01:05:48.000 They want the cheat codes to the game.

01:05:51.000 And the problem is, especially if you're learning something as complex as intersexual dynamics or understanding...

01:05:59.000 Your own nature, women's nature, the confluence between those two. 1.00

01:06:03.000 Like I said, it's not a bumper sticker.

01:06:06.000 It's not something you can just be fed a pill and learn overnight.

01:06:10.000 It's a college course, right?

01:06:11.000 It's going from being a white belt to a black belt.

01:06:15.000 And by the way, anybody telling you that they're giving away free black belts and here's the magic way to do this, they're selling you something.

01:06:24.000 It's pick-up game.

01:06:27.000 It is, but that's another.

01:06:30.000 PUA is dead.

01:06:32.000 It died a death back in 2009, basically.

01:06:37.000 And that's why I laugh when people still make comparisons to me and to us.

01:06:42.000 Those pickup artists, I'm like, do you think we put on black nail polish and top hats and big feather boas?

01:06:48.000 We all look like mystery in 2005?

01:06:51.000 I'm sorry, man.

01:06:52.000 No offense to anybody, but dude, I'm not gonna go there.

01:06:55.000 I mean, if I'm in a setting where I feel like, for example, it's private and more like of a high class, yeah, I'll do it for sure.

01:07:01.000 But like, bro, I got time to sit there and, oh, I'm going to the mall and cold approach.

01:07:05.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:07:09.000 People's perception of game is still like rooted in 2005.

01:07:15.000 They think that that's what game is.

01:07:17.000 And it's like, dude, that was 20 years ago.

01:07:20.000 It's changed.

01:07:20.000 And so if you think a pickup artist looks like Mystery from 2005 with big elevator boots and a digital sign on his chest, that died with the pickup artist on VH1, okay?

01:07:34.000 But it has evolved.

01:07:36.000 And so if you look at what Mike Sartain is doing right now, it's a form of game for sure, but it's social circle game.

01:07:42.000 It's not cold approach.

01:07:44.000 It's not yad stops.

01:07:45.000 It's not direct.

01:07:48.000 It's not mode one.

01:07:50.000 And not to take anything away from Alan Roger Curry, but we have evolved from that and it has matured and it's something that's a lot more, I think, streamlined right now.

01:08:00.000 And the only guy I can say who's really doing it correctly right now is Mike.

01:08:04.000 And yeah, he's Mike.

01:08:06.000 I'm going to buff him out because when it comes to social proof and preselection and when it comes to just the way he's been doing it, it's much more modernized right now.

01:08:19.000 So pick up a PUA.

01:08:21.000 Is dead.

01:08:22.000 But game is not.

01:08:23.000 And it never will be.

01:08:25.000 Because as long as there's dudes and there's chicks, there's always going to be game.

01:08:28.000 So how effective it is is kind of up to the individual.

01:08:32.000 But as far as game is concerned, yeah, I mean, yeah, the old school stuff is dead, but everybody wants to ridicule and make fun of it.

01:08:41.000 Which maybe they should at this stage, but it's not gone.

01:08:46.000 What was the other question?

01:08:48.000 So basically, how should men navigate and survive this cold day market?

01:08:53.000 Alright, so I'm going to do what I never do, which is give prescriptions.

01:08:57.000 Okay, let's do it.

01:08:59.000 So I think first off is the basics are always going to be money, muscles, and game.

01:09:04.000 So those are the things.

01:09:06.000 Okay, hold on.

01:09:07.000 Real quick.

01:09:08.000 In that trilogy right there, which one is the most important you think?

01:09:11.000 I think it depends on the weaknesses and the deficits of the guy.

01:09:14.000 Okay.

01:09:15.000 Because what happens is guys tend to play to their strengths, which seems, it's deductive problem solving, right?

01:09:21.000 If I'm not a good looking dude, and I don't, you know, I'm not physically, genetically, I'm not the best, you're probably going to think that chicks only want money. 1.00

01:09:29.000 So you're going to like gross out in money, or you're going to gross out in games.

01:09:32.000 So when people are deficient in one of those areas, they tend to gross out in another one of those.

01:09:38.000 My, I know Rich Cooper will say something to the effect of like, you know, don't chase, women chase excellence, right?

01:09:44.000 What does that even mean, like chasing excellence?

01:09:47.000 Or what is excellence, right?

01:09:49.000 Is it money, muscles, or game, right?

01:09:52.000 And my take on this is that, and I hate to use this term, but money, muscles, and game are synergistic, meaning that if you benefit in one area, it tends to have an effect on the other.

01:10:03.000 So if suddenly you go from being a fat fuck, And you get in shape six months, eight months later.

01:10:09.000 If you're a better looking guy, are people going to treat you differently because you're a better looking guy?

01:10:13.000 Okay, how is that going to affect your game?

01:10:15.000 How is that going to affect your money situation too?

01:10:17.000 Are you going to be up for a better job?

01:10:19.000 Are you going to be up for a promotion?

01:10:21.000 Are you going to do things?

01:10:22.000 Are you going to take more chances now?

01:10:24.000 Are you going to be more risk tolerant as a result of that?

01:10:26.000 More confidence as well.

01:10:27.000 So what happens is when you benefit in one of those areas, it tends to have a...

01:10:34.000 A similar effect in another area.

01:10:36.000 So my way forward, my way of proceeding is to chase all of those things at the same time.

01:10:43.000 Primarily because I talk to these guys who are Miguel Munoz's, the crypto guys, the crypto crew, right?

01:10:52.000 We're just about to go to, I think it's this week as a matter of fact, the Bitcoin conference is in Las Vegas this year.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, I'm going.

01:11:02.000 You know where I'm going?

01:11:03.000 Because I'm there with Miguel.

01:11:05.000 I know you guys are affiliates with Miguel, too.

01:11:08.000 So am I. Whenever I do a show with them, I do a show about how these guys need to protect themselves from prostitutes and chicks who want to basically roll them.

01:11:18.000 You know why?

01:11:19.000 Because they're here in their money all of a sudden.

01:11:22.000 Like, they went from living in mom's basement and having, like, $10 in their bank account to having $10 million in their crypto account.

01:11:29.000 Here's my bag is this much, right?

01:11:31.000 And they go from zero to hero too quickly.

01:11:34.000 And what happens is they're not prepared for the bitches that are going to be at the Bitcoin convention that are going to try to roll them. 1.00

01:11:41.000 Because that's exactly, it draws them like flies to shit, man.

01:11:45.000 You will see those girls right there. 1.00

01:11:47.000 Oh, guys, if this is you, if you're crypto bro.

01:11:51.000 The girls at Sapphire do not love you.

01:11:54.000 The girls at the Rhino do not love you. 1.00

01:11:57.000 The girls at Los Chicos Bonitos definitely don't love you. 0.99

01:12:02.000 Haram!

01:12:03.000 So be careful.

01:12:05.000 I'm doing these shows with Miguel and that's usually what I'm trying to explain to these guys.

01:12:11.000 It's too much, too young, too fast.

01:12:14.000 Protecting themselves.

01:12:15.000 That's why I say that you have to have a good education in all of those.

01:12:19.000 So if all you're doing is really majorly grossing out in money and you have no game and you have no way to defend yourself and you don't know what female nature is like or what your own nature as a guy is like, you're going to be prone to believing that that hot chick really loves you and your ship has finally come in, right?

01:12:36.000 You know, I'm finally in.

01:12:37.000 I have $10 million in my bank account and that's all bitches care about, right? 1.00

01:12:41.000 You know, you still have to be in shape.

01:12:43.000 No, you still have to have good game.

01:12:44.000 And no, you still have to know the red pill because you need to be able to sort of defend yourself against stuff like that.

01:12:49.000 So, again, I think the basics is something that we need to kind of get back to going forward.

01:12:55.000 I think we need to be hyper vigilant about questioning the veracity of what we see on social media.

01:13:06.000 And I don't mean that just in terms of, like, politics.

01:13:09.000 I mean that in terms of like, what is this guy telling me and using my capacity for critical thinking, does it pass the smell test?

01:13:18.000 Is this guy trying to sell me something or is this something that I can actually use?

01:13:25.000 And I think that's a skill that a lot of critical thinking skills right now is something that's really lacking, particularly in Generation Z. I don't know about Gen Alpha.

01:13:32.000 Maybe I have a little more hope for these guys, but right now it's...

01:13:37.000 If you look at the people who have been brought up behind tablets and cell phones and have grown up with social media and stuff like that, people go, oh, that guy's old.

01:13:45.000 By the way, I'm not a fucking boomer.

01:13:47.000 Thank you very much.

01:13:49.000 This old boomer.

01:13:49.000 No, I'm Gen X, okay?

01:13:51.000 And I'll chew a fucking hole right through you. 0.99

01:13:53.000 There you go.

01:13:56.000 I will chew a fucking hole right through you. 1.00

01:13:59.000 But yeah, I love it.

01:14:02.000 Anybody who's like over 30 is a boomer to Gen Z. Yeah, pretty much.

01:14:07.000 It's like, no, get your generational shit straight.

01:14:11.000 But I think that going forward, using those critical thinking skills and just simply, you just stop yourself for half a second and go, is this guy trying to sell?

01:14:19.000 Because usually they are trying to sell me something.

01:14:22.000 What does he want me to believe?

01:14:24.000 Also understand that you can make a separation between facts and how you feel about those facts, okay?

01:14:32.000 So we talk about this all the time, like how you're trying to hold girls accountable on the show, right?

01:14:37.000 And usually that lack of accountability is the difference between the fact that you present them and the feelings that they have about that fact.

01:14:47.000 So somewhere in between there, whether they accept it or they don't, that's where that accountability lies.

01:14:53.000 And for the most part, you know, they're three white claws in, they're going to get emotional and they don't care about that.

01:14:59.000 That's crazy.

01:15:00.000 That should never be you as a guy.

01:15:03.000 You need to be able to separate your feelings from facts and deal with it accordingly.

01:15:09.000 And once you can think in terms of empirical thinking as opposed to emotionalist thinking, once you get to that point, you can make better facts.

01:15:19.000 I'm not saying that emotion doesn't matter.

01:15:22.000 It does.

01:15:22.000 I'm not trying to dehumanize anybody.

01:15:24.000 But the thing is, you can't live a life and base your life on how you feel about something.

01:15:29.000 You should be able to look at the facts and think about things empirically and make a good choice and make a good decision based on those empirical facts and then sort out how you feel about it.

01:15:39.000 I'm not saying be some social robot or be Mr. Spock or something like that.

01:15:44.000 I'm just saying you need to...

01:15:47.000 Basing your life's decisions on your emotions is a recipe for fucking disaster.

01:15:51.000 You want to know why all these bitches are on here and we're kicking them off and they're getting hammered and they're like screaming at the top of their lungs? 1.00

01:15:57.000 Because somewhere along the line they were taught that it's better to live their lives via emotion as opposed to facts and reason and empiricism.

01:16:07.000 If you can do that as a guy, because we teach guys.

01:16:10.000 Like they're defective girls, right?

01:16:12.000 We raise them as if they're defective girls. 0.99

01:16:14.000 And what happens?

01:16:15.000 Those defective girls, those little boys who we teach as defective girls, become men who are defective women when they get to be adults. 0.92

01:16:23.000 And that's why you run into these guys like, I'm going to bring down the red pill.

01:16:26.000 Yeah, because you're basing that on how you feel, not on the facts, not on actually asking any kind of substantive questions or thinking empirically.

01:16:34.000 And if you did, you'd have a completely different opinion.

01:16:37.000 All right.

01:16:38.000 Well said.

01:16:39.000 Okay, any more chats, guys?

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01:16:47.000 We need more OG shows like this back in the day.

01:16:51.000 Time to dive back deep into the RB content, the topics that you guys used to.

01:16:54.000 Yeah, man, I know you guys want to see that.

01:16:56.000 You can get all my books on Amazon.

01:16:58.000 All five of them are available.

01:17:00.000 When's a new one coming out?

01:17:02.000 New one should be out probably quarter three.

01:17:05.000 Quarter three?

01:17:06.000 Yeah.

01:17:06.000 Okay.

01:17:06.000 At the very latest.

01:17:08.000 I'm about three quarters of the way through it right now.

01:17:11.000 You've written how many so far?

01:17:13.000 Five, and this will be six.

01:17:15.000 And this one's a little bit different.

01:17:16.000 It's going to be titled Reignite, which is the name of my group, but the essence of it is tying all of these independent...

01:17:26.000 ideas and concepts together so if I talk about like say mental point of origin or if I talk about burden of performance or I talk about frame like those are like some really popular well what's frame you know what's people think mental point of origin is like you know Put yourself first, bro.

01:17:43.000 That's not what it's about.

01:17:44.000 So I re-explained that a little bit differently.

01:17:46.000 But the thing is, is all of those concepts are interconnected.

01:17:49.000 As I was saying before, there's synergies between money, muscles, and game.

01:17:52.000 There's also synergies between, like, bread pill concepts.

01:17:55.000 So your burden of performance is going to affect your frame.

01:17:59.000 Because your frame is the world that you have that that woman enters into. 0.68

01:18:03.000 And that's based on what have you done?

01:18:05.000 What makes you respectable?

01:18:06.000 What gives you integrity?

01:18:08.000 Those kinds of things.

01:18:09.000 And so that's locked into your mindset, which I think is a thing, but I think people kind of misuse the term mindset.

01:18:17.000 So when I'm talking about mental point of origin, what you think about yourself, do you think about yourself first before you make any decisions?

01:18:24.000 Do you make empirical decisions rather than emotional decisions?

01:18:27.000 That plays into your brain.

01:18:28.000 Burden of Performance, which plays into your frame.

01:18:30.000 So it's all, I basically interconnect, and those are just three topics.

01:18:34.000 There's other ones as well.

01:18:35.000 But those, I'm making the connection between what I've usually isolated in the past.

01:18:40.000 So if you read my work, any of my books or my essays and stuff like that, if I talk about Burden of Performance, it's...

01:18:49.000 In isolation, it's just in one box over here, right?

01:18:52.000 And if I talk about frame, it's in another box.

01:18:54.000 And if I talk about menopause of origin, it's in another box.

01:18:58.000 But what I'm doing is I'm kind of pushing all those together to show you guys how they're interconnected.

01:19:01.000 Oh, it works.

01:19:02.000 Yeah.

01:19:02.000 Okay, well said.

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01:22:23.000 Cerullo, thank you for coming through, bro.

01:22:25.000 Sure.

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01:22:29.000 Tell them about the event on Saturday and then today.

01:22:30.000 The event on Saturday is going to be the White Party for Babes in Toyland. 0.62

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01:23:03.000 And we do it at different locations.

01:23:05.000 So this one's in Miami.

01:23:06.000 We usually do them in Los Angeles and Las Vegas.

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01:23:12.000 Yeah, Swim Week in August.

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01:23:17.000 Listen, you guys know I love the snow.

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01:23:22.000 Yes.

01:23:22.000 But obviously speaking, it's more than that than just the girls.

01:23:25.000 Oh, yeah.

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01:23:26.000 There's actually a good cause for it.

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01:23:30.000 The people you'll meet there.

01:23:32.000 We've had a lot of people that we've met at these events.

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01:23:47.000 That will be tomorrow night.

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01:23:56.000 Yeah, that spot's owned by Pharrell.

01:23:58.000 I think the groupman...

01:23:59.000 Here in Miami.

01:24:00.000 It's a pretty cool spot.

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01:24:07.000 I will be there.

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01:25:38.000 Yeah, worse and worse, man.

01:25:39.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:39.000 Oh, he's...

01:25:40.000 Shit, I almost want to be in for that one.

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01:25:43.000 Cassie was full of weird what she was doing, and she wanted to do it herself, too.

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Fresh & Fit - May 16, 2025

The Current State Of The Manosphere w- Rollo Tomassi

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