Fresh & Fit - September 13, 2024


The Most Censored Event In American History: The USS Liberty

Topics
women in military under attack
Hosted by
Myron Gaines Walter Weekes
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Myron Jay Crystal Lyndon Baines Johnson David Sokol Kennedy Robert McNamara Rockstar Terry Haldebardier Lyndon B. Johnson David Lewis Isaac Kidd Dave Lewis USS Davis USS Liberty Memorial Library Lee Harvey Oswald Sheldon Adelson Bryce Lockwood Gary Blanchard Bill Kristol Larry Boone and 68 more
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2 hours and 19 minutes

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36

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In this episode of The Refresher Podcast, we have a very special guest, Phil Turney, a survivor of the attack on the USS Liberty. He talks about his life growing up in the 60's and 70's, and how he got into the Navy. He also talks about the events that took place on the morning of December 18th, 1963, and the impact it had on the lives of those on board the Liberty and the crew on the ground. This is a must listen for anyone who has ever heard the story of what happened on that day, and is interested in learning more about what happened that day and how it affected the lives on board that day. We hope you enjoy this interview, and if you do, please remember to leave us a rating and a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll get back to you soon with more updates. - The Crew at Refreshers Podcast. - Shoutout to our sponsor, Caff Monster Energy Drink. We are working on a new product, and we're working on making sure it's as good as it can be. We're working with them to make sure they get the best tasting drinks, and it's the best possible ones. Thank you so much to all the support they can get, we can't thank you enough! - Thank you all so much for all the love, support, support and support you all the way through it! We'll see you next week with another episode of the podcast! We're live on Twitch, we'll be back in 7/Social Media: . and we are live on 7/27/19/8/28/19. Thank you! Thanks for listening to all your support is so much love, and thank you for your support, we appreciate it. XOXO - John & Thank you, P.S. & Thank You, Patrons are so much Thank you for all of the love & support, and support, I appreciate you! -Podcasts are much more than you can do it! -PSPODCAST: Thank You! -MRSG - PODCAST - Thank Me, Thank Me Back! - Thank You. P.R. & A LOTS & P.A. - - PSYCH - RGS - , P.B. & RGS - P.C. & PSA

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00:08:34.000 And we are live.
00:08:35.000 What's up guys?
00:08:36.000 Welcome to Refresher Podcast.
00:08:37.000 We have a guest on, Phil Turney.
00:08:38.000 This is probably going to be one of the most important interviews we've done.
00:08:41.000 Let's get into it.
00:08:42.000 Let's go!
00:09:33.000 We're good to go.
00:10:00.000 We read those chats first and you don't have to donate as much to get read on the show.
00:10:09.000 What else?
00:10:10.000 I'm trying to think.
00:10:10.000 What other announcements?
00:10:11.000 Any updates on Twitch?
00:10:13.000 Not yet.
00:10:14.000 Not yet.
00:10:15.000 I got my guys talking to the people.
00:10:17.000 Cool.
00:10:19.000 But I'll find out what it is.
00:10:19.000 But it's a suspension on a full band.
00:10:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:21.000 Worst case scenario, guys, you guys will see us in seven days on Twitch.
00:10:23.000 Well, six days in this case.
00:10:25.000 But we're live right now on YouTube and on Rumble.
00:10:28.000 Just so you guys know, if you guys are watching this thing on YouTube, fine, no problem.
00:10:30.000 But we are going to probably cut to Rumble here in the middle of the show once we get into a certain thing.
00:10:36.000 Yeah.
00:10:37.000 What else?
00:10:37.000 Anything else I'm missing?
00:10:38.000 That's pretty much it.
00:10:39.000 Alright, so we've got a special guest in the house.
00:10:42.000 Phil, welcome to the show.
00:10:43.000 I'm excited to have you.
00:10:46.000 Can you please introduce yourself to the people for those that might not be aware?
00:10:49.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:10:50.000 My name is Phil Turney.
00:10:51.000 I'm the president of the USS Liberty Veterans Association, and I'm a survivor of the attack.
00:10:58.000 And first, I'd like to give you this, if I may, please.
00:11:02.000 Thank you so much.
00:11:03.000 USS Liberty hat.
00:11:04.000 Thank you.
00:11:05.000 And a USS Liberty coin.
00:11:07.000 Thank you so much.
00:11:08.000 Well, thank you.
00:11:09.000 It's in honor of our shipmates, and we give this to you in honor of you for Getting the word out, it means so much.
00:11:18.000 Well, thank you for your service.
00:11:19.000 I'm going to make sure that this doesn't die.
00:11:21.000 I'm going to make sure that people know about this story and they know what really went down on that day.
00:11:27.000 Also, you brought a friend along.
00:11:30.000 Hey, how are you doing?
00:11:31.000 I'm John.
00:11:32.000 I'm here.
00:11:33.000 I help Phil.
00:11:35.000 Usually you see me on Twitter.
00:11:36.000 I'm part of the RGS. We have a small, small podcast, not as big as yours, but we fight for the liberty.
00:11:43.000 We do a lot of things for the liberty, so I'm here kind of as Phil's liaison to help.
00:11:49.000 Yeah, and me and you have been in communication.
00:11:51.000 So shout out to John for coordinating the podcast and making it happen, guys.
00:11:54.000 He was the one that really made things move.
00:11:56.000 Thank you.
00:11:57.000 So thank you for coming and obviously setting this interview up, which I'm very excited to get into.
00:12:02.000 So Phil, can you please kind of take us through your background before you got into the military?
00:12:11.000 Sure.
00:12:11.000 I quit school in the seventh grade.
00:12:14.000 My dad needed help, and so I went to work.
00:12:19.000 Where did you grow up?
00:12:19.000 Pardon me?
00:12:20.000 Where did you grow up?
00:12:21.000 Colorado, Denver.
00:12:22.000 Denver, Colorado?
00:12:24.000 Yeah, and we did construction, plastering, stuff like that, and I decided...
00:12:31.000 The day I turned 17, I'm out of here because I'm done with this.
00:12:34.000 So I joined the Navy.
00:12:37.000 What year was this when you turned 17?
00:12:40.000 I turned 17 December the 18th, 1946.
00:12:44.000 What the hell am I talking about?
00:12:49.000 I joined at 17 anyway, and I went in the Navy.
00:12:53.000 Well, December the 18th is when I turned.
00:12:56.000 17?
00:12:57.000 What year was that?
00:12:58.000 Do you remember?
00:12:59.000 1964.
00:13:00.000 1964, okay.
00:13:01.000 And then I went in the Navy February the 6th of 64.
00:13:09.000 Okay.
00:13:11.000 Wow.
00:13:12.000 How old are you now?
00:13:14.000 77.
00:13:15.000 I'll soon be 78.
00:13:16.000 Okay.
00:13:18.000 All right.
00:13:18.000 Hey, man.
00:13:19.000 Look good for 77, I'll tell you that.
00:13:20.000 You do.
00:13:21.000 Oh, thanks, man.
00:13:22.000 Hey, come on. 0.77
00:13:22.000 Look at all this. 0.77
00:13:25.000 So, you joined December 18th, you said, of 1963 or 64?
00:13:31.000 64.
00:13:32.000 64.
00:13:33.000 Wow.
00:13:35.000 Okay, I got to ask this question because I haven't been able to really speak to someone that's lived through the 40s, the 50s, obviously 60s, 70s, 80s.
00:13:43.000 What was it like living in the 50s and the 60s?
00:13:48.000 Was it like a different, like, America?
00:13:50.000 Oh, it was really a different America.
00:13:53.000 It was an America that we said the Pledge of Allegiance, his school...
00:14:00.000 And it was an honorable time.
00:14:02.000 We put the flag up every day and took it down honorably.
00:14:07.000 And that was just in grade school, and I spent a little time in seventh grade.
00:14:10.000 But it was a great time in America.
00:14:13.000 It was right after the war, you know, and people were happy.
00:14:16.000 People were making money.
00:14:18.000 We didn't have any real problems, you know, until Vietnam came along. 0.92
00:14:24.000 Well, of course, the Korean War, but that was another terrible war.
00:14:32.000 Because today, nowadays, we have broken families.
00:14:35.000 We don't have fathers in the household like that.
00:14:37.000 Was the nuclear family much more apparent back then, in the 50s and 60s?
00:14:42.000 Absolutely.
00:14:43.000 Very little divorce.
00:14:44.000 I mean, to get divorced was a cardinal sin.
00:14:48.000 You didn't do it.
00:14:49.000 No matter what happened, you stayed with your spouse.
00:14:51.000 Was it more Christian-based, you would say?
00:14:53.000 People more Christian back in those days? 0.99
00:14:55.000 Yeah, more Christian-based, more oriented to working hard, and frankly, playing hard.
00:15:03.000 They did the same thing.
00:15:04.000 People like to enjoy themselves.
00:15:05.000 Yeah.
00:15:06.000 Well, how would people, because, right, I don't think people remember a time of what life was like before smartphones and everything else like that.
00:15:14.000 But here, we're not even talking about internet, whatever.
00:15:16.000 Like, how did people pass the time?
00:15:18.000 Like, were people spending more time outside?
00:15:20.000 What were people doing to, like, you know, for hobbies and enjoying themselves in the 50s and 60s?
00:15:25.000 Well, they would go out, they'd play basketball, pick up basketball, we'd play football.
00:15:34.000 And we'd watch TV, not a lot of it.
00:15:37.000 And actually TV just kind of, you know, come out.
00:15:40.000 I remember watching the first Mickey Mouse show.
00:15:44.000 I stayed up late to watch it on black and white TV. Wow.
00:15:48.000 Yeah.
00:15:49.000 And this is what, in the 50s or 60s at this point?
00:15:52.000 This is like 58, 59, something like that.
00:15:55.000 58, 59.
00:15:55.000 Whenever they did it come out.
00:15:57.000 Wow.
00:15:58.000 Just what was the atmosphere like?
00:16:02.000 Was racism as bad as they claim it was back then?
00:16:05.000 Or was it like...
00:16:07.000 It was when the riots in Watts.
00:16:13.000 That was in the 60s.
00:16:16.000 But no, it wasn't when I was growing up.
00:16:19.000 No.
00:16:22.000 We had all different nationalities, mostly Spanish and black in Denver.
00:16:28.000 We all got along.
00:16:29.000 No problems in school or whatever.
00:16:32.000 Nobody hated each other.
00:16:35.000 So you guys had integrated schools in the 50s?
00:16:37.000 Oh yeah.
00:16:38.000 Really?
00:16:38.000 Okay, before the civil rights movement in the 60s.
00:16:42.000 So we could eat in the same room?
00:16:44.000 I'm sorry again.
00:16:45.000 So you're saying back then, we could eat in the same room.
00:16:48.000 We went to the same bathroom too.
00:16:51.000 Yeah, so Denver wasn't segregated?
00:16:53.000 No.
00:16:54.000 Okay. 0.97
00:16:56.000 Well, nowadays we've got Haitians eating cats and dogs. 1.00
00:16:59.000 Yeah, they love them.
00:17:02.000 This guy...
00:17:04.000 So, okay.
00:17:05.000 So, obviously it was a different time.
00:17:07.000 Divorce wasn't a thing.
00:17:08.000 Family was obviously huge.
00:17:10.000 God and country.
00:17:11.000 You mentioned that everyone was much more patriotic.
00:17:14.000 Had said the Pledge of Allegiance every day.
00:17:16.000 People stood up.
00:17:18.000 Like, what made you say, you know what?
00:17:19.000 I'm leaving school.
00:17:20.000 I'm going to join the military.
00:17:21.000 What made you want to do that?
00:17:25.000 Well, financially, to help my family.
00:17:28.000 My dad, it was kind of a hard time for us.
00:17:34.000 What did your father do?
00:17:36.000 I was a hot carrier, plastering.
00:17:38.000 Okay, and what did your dad do?
00:17:40.000 He was a plasterer.
00:17:41.000 Oh, plasterer, okay.
00:17:41.000 Yeah, so I gave him the mud and he put it on the wall.
00:17:45.000 Okay.
00:17:47.000 And how long did you do that for before you decided to join the military?
00:17:52.000 See, I was 13, four years.
00:17:54.000 I started at 13 and left one at 17.
00:17:57.000 Okay.
00:17:58.000 What did your mom do back then?
00:18:00.000 She was just a homekeeper. 1.00
00:18:02.000 Okay.
00:18:02.000 Stayed at home, took care of the kids.
00:18:04.000 Good old days.
00:18:05.000 Far more common, right?
00:18:06.000 Like, there wasn't women in the workplace like it is now. 1.00
00:18:08.000 And my dad would leave, like, $10 a day on his table to feed five kids.
00:18:17.000 Okay.
00:18:17.000 Wow.
00:18:18.000 10 bucks a day.
00:18:19.000 Yeah.
00:18:19.000 And she still had money left over.
00:18:21.000 Wow.
00:18:21.000 Okay.
00:18:22.000 So my granddad passed away at 93.
00:18:24.000 Rest in peace to him.
00:18:25.000 He told me back then he could buy a car for like 300 bucks.
00:18:29.000 Yeah.
00:18:29.000 A brand new car.
00:18:30.000 Absolutely.
00:18:31.000 Absolutely.
00:18:31.000 Really?
00:18:31.000 Yeah.
00:18:32.000 Damn. 1.00
00:18:32.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:18:33.000 Even in the 60s, you could buy a car.
00:18:35.000 You know, a used one for five, six hundred bucks.
00:18:39.000 You know, you get a nice used car.
00:18:41.000 Wow.
00:18:41.000 and the new i think a new i bought a new 1966 for galaxy for 2200 bucks wow yeah but it was a lot of money back then yeah yeah what what a time i mean Actually, you know what?
00:18:56.000 What year was this when you said that your dad would leave?
00:18:58.000 This is in the 50s?
00:19:00.000 When you would leave like 10 bucks on the table?
00:19:01.000 Yeah.
00:19:02.000 This was like...
00:19:03.000 Yo, Bills, can you put $10, 1955?
00:19:07.000 I want to see what that is in today's dollars with inflation.
00:19:09.000 It's probably something crazy.
00:19:12.000 Wow, what a different...
00:19:13.000 What a crazy time.
00:19:16.000 It's $117.
00:19:17.000 $117 today? 1.00
00:19:18.000 Damn. 1.00
00:19:19.000 Okay. 1.00
00:19:20.000 Well, here's the thing.
00:19:21.000 $117 today, would you be able to even feed a family?
00:19:23.000 Dude, that is McDonald's.
00:19:25.000 That is McDonald's for two people.
00:19:27.000 Pretty much.
00:19:28.000 It's crazy.
00:19:29.000 Absolutely.
00:19:29.000 Yeah.
00:19:30.000 Absolutely.
00:19:30.000 Wow.
00:19:32.000 Well, I got to ask this question because I'm really into true crime.
00:19:34.000 Did you like...
00:19:36.000 When the Zodiac killer was running around killing people, because at this point you were, you know, probably, because you were born, you said 46, right?
00:19:43.000 Yeah.
00:19:43.000 So you're pretty much an adult at this point.
00:19:45.000 You was killing people in 68, 69, etc.
00:19:48.000 Did that hit the news all over the place, or no?
00:19:51.000 It did, but it wasn't prevalent all over the news.
00:19:55.000 It was more prevalent where it was taking place at.
00:19:59.000 In California?
00:19:59.000 Yeah.
00:20:00.000 Okay.
00:20:00.000 So, like, national news wasn't a thing yet?
00:20:03.000 Well, it was with Walter Cronkite and people like that, but it wasn't...
00:20:09.000 You didn't hear about it all the time.
00:20:12.000 Gotcha.
00:20:13.000 Didn't hear about it.
00:20:14.000 In that time period, what would you say...
00:20:16.000 You know, I gotta ask this.
00:20:18.000 What was it like?
00:20:19.000 Did you see the Kenny assassination?
00:20:21.000 I did.
00:20:22.000 What was the atmosphere in the United States at that time?
00:20:25.000 Because you actually lived through it.
00:20:26.000 What was it like having a president be assassinated in broad daylight?
00:20:30.000 It was the saddest day I've ever witnessed.
00:20:34.000 I was 16 years old, and that was 1963, February.
00:20:39.000 And when he was assassinated, I thought the whole world was going to blow up, fall apart.
00:20:45.000 I mean, I cried.
00:20:46.000 Yeah.
00:20:46.000 I cried and cried and cried.
00:20:48.000 And so did a lot of other people.
00:20:50.000 Yeah.
00:20:51.000 And then, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy, and then Jack Rubenstein killed him right now.
00:20:59.000 Yeah.
00:21:00.000 It was the police station.
00:21:01.000 Yep.
00:21:03.000 Back then, like, did people believe the official narrative, or did everyone think it was a conspiracy?
00:21:09.000 They believed Oswald did it.
00:21:11.000 They did believe it?
00:21:12.000 Yeah, and then later down the road, you know, they had the people on the hill, the Nobby Hill and the Grassy Hill and all that stuff, and things started coming out.
00:21:21.000 Okay.
00:21:22.000 The Grassy Nob.
00:21:23.000 I never believed...
00:21:25.000 Even young, I never believed it was a guy up there with an old rifle doing that.
00:21:34.000 Yeah, the magic bullet and all.
00:21:36.000 Yeah, it did never make any sense to me.
00:21:39.000 And we're going to talk a little bit more about, because obviously Lyndon B. Johnson became president after, and we'll talk about that as well.
00:21:44.000 What about when his brother was assassinated?
00:21:46.000 What was that like, RFK? Another sad day.
00:21:49.000 Sirhan Sirhan did that on national TV. Yeah.
00:21:53.000 And I guess it was the same people that killed him.
00:21:58.000 Same people who wanted Kennedy to kill.
00:22:01.000 Pretty much, yeah.
00:22:02.000 Yeah.
00:22:03.000 And this was, obviously, that hit national news.
00:22:07.000 What about the MLK, Malcolm X, did those hit national news as well when they were assassinated?
00:22:14.000 Yes.
00:22:16.000 Martin Luther King got assassinated at that hotel.
00:22:22.000 He was on the balcony.
00:22:26.000 It was another sad day in America.
00:22:28.000 He was a beacon of nonviolence, peace.
00:22:35.000 Yeah, go ahead and march.
00:22:37.000 We're equal.
00:22:38.000 We're going to do what we want to do.
00:22:40.000 And people followed him, and they respected him.
00:22:42.000 I certainly did.
00:22:47.000 You don't go around killing people because you disagree with them.
00:22:50.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:22:52.000 It was just, man, you literally lived through...
00:22:56.000 Okay, I've got to ask this too.
00:22:57.000 Vietnam, what was that like?
00:22:59.000 Obviously, everyone was draft dodging.
00:23:01.000 It was a very controversial war.
00:23:05.000 What was it like living through that?
00:23:07.000 Well, I did two tours in Vietnam before I got aboard the USS Liberty.
00:23:12.000 And it was...
00:23:16.000 It was sad because all these guys were going over there.
00:23:19.000 They were just cannon fodder.
00:23:20.000 They were getting killed right and left.
00:23:22.000 And I was on an ammo ship then, the USS Monarchia, AE-22.
00:23:27.000 And we would unwrap ships out at sea, carriers and their sister ships.
00:23:33.000 But all that ammo and all those bombs were going to kill people.
00:23:39.000 And that's another war we should have never got in because the Tonkin Gulf was all BS. All BS. I went aboard the USS Maddox DZ-731 when I went back to the Navy.
00:23:54.000 That was the ship they said got attacked in the Tonkin Gulf.
00:23:57.000 It never happened.
00:23:59.000 Really?
00:23:59.000 Not like they said it did.
00:24:01.000 Wow.
00:24:01.000 It was a set-up deal.
00:24:03.000 It was a false flag.
00:24:04.000 Yeah.
00:24:06.000 So you think it was sensationalized just to kind of drag us into war?
00:24:09.000 Absolutely.
00:24:10.000 Yeah.
00:24:11.000 To get us into a war we didn't belong in.
00:24:13.000 Yeah.
00:24:14.000 Would you say most of those wars were pulse flags created to, like, have drama?
00:24:20.000 Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely.
00:24:22.000 Look at Iraq. 0.93
00:24:26.000 You know, Bush's WMD and then you got Cheney and, you know, they're out there warmonging for war and And, you know, they killed, I mean, come on, that shock and awe stuff, they killed so many people.
00:24:40.000 It was on, you could see it on TV, you know, it was headline news and everybody, oh yeah, oh yeah, great.
00:24:47.000 And I knew it wasn't great.
00:24:49.000 You know, it just...
00:24:50.000 Vietnam was bad because, like, you're fighting on their territory with the Viet Cong in the jungles, and they had all these booby traps out and everything else like that, and they got a lot of prisoners of war.
00:25:02.000 I guess, what was the sentiment from the Armed Forces side with Vietnam?
00:25:06.000 Was everyone, like, opposed to it?
00:25:07.000 I know a lot of guys use drugs to get through it.
00:25:09.000 What was the sentiment like from the Armed Forces perspective?
00:25:12.000 Well, in the Armed Forces, especially in the Navy, you know, we wanted to have...
00:25:18.000 Of course, we wanted to support our country.
00:25:20.000 We wanted to support our servicemen, but they didn't... 0.50
00:25:24.000 You know, hey, listen, they called us baby killers and rotten people and... 0.61
00:25:31.000 Of course, James Calley, you know, he killed those people in the village. 0.87
00:25:35.000 That wasn't good.
00:25:36.000 That was bad press.
00:25:38.000 But what they originally did with that war is...
00:25:43.000 It'll go down in history.
00:25:45.000 It's probably one of the worst wars ever.
00:25:48.000 Yeah.
00:25:49.000 Yeah.
00:25:49.000 And it divided the country, man.
00:25:51.000 Oh, yeah.
00:25:53.000 Oh yeah.
00:25:54.000 Draft dodging was a thing, so it was just a wild time.
00:25:59.000 We're good for now.
00:26:01.000 We're good?
00:26:01.000 Okay.
00:26:03.000 So, I guess what we'll do is we'll just kind of get our...
00:26:07.000 So, you joined the military, right?
00:26:10.000 You joined the Navy in December 18th of 1964.
00:26:14.000 And take us through, I guess, what led up to that fateful day in 1967.
00:26:24.000 Okay, after I got off the Mauna Key, I was transferred to the USS Liberty on the East Coast because I was on the West Coast at the time. 0.87
00:26:36.000 And when I got aboard the Liberty, I didn't really understand what kind of ship it was, Myron, because I was just a dumb kid anyway.
00:26:45.000 Yeah.
00:26:46.000 Because you're what, like maybe 18, 19 at this point?
00:26:49.000 I was 18.
00:26:51.000 18, yeah.
00:26:53.000 And it was a beautiful ship.
00:26:55.000 It had been refurbished.
00:26:56.000 It was an old victory hole ship, World War II. They called them one-wayers because a lot of them got sunk by torpedoes going back.
00:27:07.000 Oh, okay.
00:27:08.000 So it was one of the few that survived World War II, the ship.
00:27:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:27:12.000 And so they had it mothballs and they refurbished it in Washington.
00:27:19.000 And made it look like a brand new ship with all the electronic gear and everything.
00:27:24.000 It was an Intel ship, right?
00:27:26.000 Yeah.
00:27:26.000 It was an Intel ship.
00:27:27.000 It was the most sophisticated spy ship in the world at that time.
00:27:30.000 Yeah.
00:27:31.000 And all the antennas were going up.
00:27:34.000 You know, you could see it.
00:27:35.000 I think we could pull up a picture of it real quick, guys, of the USS Liberty, just so they could see.
00:27:40.000 Because you could see, like, all the antennas.
00:27:41.000 Bill, if you don't mind?
00:27:42.000 Yeah.
00:27:44.000 There's one on the website?
00:27:45.000 Yeah.
00:27:46.000 Which, by the way, we're going to show you guys their website as well.
00:27:48.000 Their official website.
00:27:50.000 This is it right here.
00:27:51.000 Well, this was after it was attacked.
00:27:52.000 But can we get one before it was attacked?
00:27:54.000 Holy!
00:27:55.000 Yeah.
00:28:03.000 We'll pull it up right now here for you guys.
00:28:05.000 Sorry, so you were saying about the ship.
00:28:07.000 So yeah, so it was the most sophisticated ship at the time, Best Buy ship, collecting data, probably able to pick up phones and radio communication.
00:28:18.000 Yeah, almost anything you wanted, they could pick it up.
00:28:21.000 In fact, the ship is so sophisticated, they could bounce.
00:28:25.000 This is 64.
00:28:27.000 Yeah.
00:28:28.000 65, 67.
00:28:29.000 Okay, so you first got on Liberty in 64.
00:28:32.000 65.
00:28:33.000 Okay, so roughly a year or two into being in the Navy, you got assigned the USS Liberty.
00:28:39.000 Right, and the Liberty could bounce signals Off the moon at that time and have him back to national security agency within three seconds.
00:28:53.000 Wow.
00:28:54.000 That's incredible.
00:28:55.000 Yeah.
00:28:56.000 And this is 1964.
00:29:00.000 64 is when the technology got put on there originally. 0.98
00:29:04.000 This is fucking crazy, man. 0.98
00:29:06.000 Yeah, it is. 0.99
00:29:07.000 1964, they already had that capability.
00:29:08.000 And this was a ship, and you said the information was going to the NSA? Yes.
00:29:13.000 Anything the spies couldn't decipher, they sent it right to NSA. Oh, so whatever you guys collected went to the NSA. Right.
00:29:22.000 So that they can, I guess, deal with the intel product, create an intel product after the fact.
00:29:28.000 Right.
00:29:29.000 Anything the guys aboard the ship couldn't do, and they'd send it back to NSA. You know, and there was a reason for that.
00:29:35.000 They didn't, you know, they wanted to get all that information.
00:29:38.000 Gotcha.
00:29:38.000 So information comes into the ship.
00:29:40.000 Guys on the ship are trying to decipher it.
00:29:42.000 If they can't decipher it, they send it over to NSA. NSA gives you guys back an intel product on what they couldn't decipher.
00:29:47.000 Yes.
00:29:48.000 Okay.
00:29:49.000 I wasn't an intelligence guy.
00:29:52.000 I was ship's company.
00:29:53.000 Ship's company?
00:29:54.000 Yeah.
00:29:55.000 That was like engineering, boatswain mates, cooks.
00:30:01.000 So you're like one of the maintenance heads of the ship, keeping it running?
00:30:05.000 Keeping it running.
00:30:06.000 Our job and only job, Myron, is wherever the spies wanted to go, that's where we had to get them.
00:30:14.000 And that's what we did.
00:30:15.000 Wherever they wanted to go, we took them.
00:30:17.000 Okay.
00:30:18.000 So, question for you.
00:30:19.000 I'm assuming everybody that was on the ship probably had a clearance.
00:30:23.000 Yes, they had a top secret clearance.
00:30:25.000 Okay.
00:30:25.000 Everybody.
00:30:27.000 No, I did not have one.
00:30:28.000 You didn't have a top secret clearance.
00:30:29.000 I probably had a secret clearance and I didn't know it, but to get on board that ship...
00:30:35.000 I'm sure they wanted to check everybody out.
00:30:39.000 I mean, they just don't, you know...
00:30:40.000 Yeah, so, like, were you not allowed on certain parts of the ship where they were collecting intel, or could you go in there as well?
00:30:45.000 No, we could not.
00:30:46.000 We could not go in their spaces.
00:30:49.000 There was two different ships, or two different crews on that ship.
00:30:52.000 Okay.
00:30:52.000 The spies and ship's company, and we didn't talk to each other.
00:30:57.000 Oh.
00:30:57.000 We never talked to each other.
00:31:00.000 And because, sadly enough, they said it was...
00:31:05.000 Because of national security.
00:31:06.000 These guys were some of the finest spies in the world and they would never say anything to us or anybody else.
00:31:14.000 They took an oath and they stood by their oath.
00:31:17.000 No, they never told us anything and we didn't ask.
00:31:22.000 So, this is interesting.
00:31:24.000 So, two different groups of people on the ship.
00:31:26.000 You've got the people that are maintaining, keeping the ship going, whether it's cooks, engineers, etc., making sure that the ship is always in good shape.
00:31:34.000 And then you've got the guys that are on the ship collecting foreign intelligence information.
00:31:39.000 Deciphering it on ship, or if not, sending it over to NSA to get an intel product.
00:31:43.000 And you guys both cohabitated, hung out on the ship, but you guys didn't talk to each other.
00:31:48.000 No, no.
00:31:49.000 They had their own spaces in the stern of the ship, and the rest of us has ours up front in the bow.
00:31:57.000 Okay.
00:31:57.000 So there were further spaces.
00:31:59.000 We had ours.
00:32:00.000 Was there any common rooms at all?
00:32:01.000 Like maybe chow time or anything?
00:32:03.000 Oh, we had chow time, but they sat by themselves and we sat by ours.
00:32:06.000 Wow.
00:32:07.000 In fact, we thought they were snobs.
00:32:09.000 Okay.
00:32:10.000 You know, I mean, hey, come on.
00:32:12.000 Look at you guys.
00:32:13.000 You're all clean.
00:32:14.000 Your fingernails are clean.
00:32:15.000 Here, I'm all dirty.
00:32:16.000 I'm an engineer. 0.81
00:32:17.000 Yeah.
00:32:18.000 And, you know, it was completely different.
00:32:20.000 I was kind of envious because they had it kind of easy.
00:32:25.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:32:28.000 Were these guys Navy?
00:32:30.000 Were they NSA? Were they CIA? Which agencies did they work for?
00:32:35.000 They worked for the NSA and I'm sure the CIA too.
00:32:39.000 Okay.
00:32:40.000 But these guys weren't military.
00:32:42.000 They were all military.
00:32:43.000 They were military too, on top of working for these intelligence agencies.
00:32:46.000 Yeah, the people and the part of the spies were all military, except we picked up one civilian when we got to Rota Spain, but we'll get into that.
00:32:58.000 Okay, so they were all military and intelligence.
00:33:01.000 Yeah.
00:33:02.000 Okay.
00:33:03.000 Or military intelligence.
00:33:04.000 Like, were they, did you know their ranks, or...?
00:33:07.000 Well, yeah.
00:33:08.000 They went from E2, that's a, well, it's E2, it's a low level, all the way up to Lieutenant, Lieutenant...
00:33:17.000 Officer?
00:33:18.000 Yeah.
00:33:19.000 Okay.
00:33:20.000 And you, at the time, were probably, like, a E... I was a third class, E4. E4, okay.
00:33:27.000 Well, take us through a day with your MOS. You said you were an engineer, so in a typical day, what would you do?
00:33:33.000 You'd wake up at what, 500?
00:33:34.000 And then what would happen?
00:33:35.000 Yeah, we'd go to jail around 6 and muster up 7.30 and then go to work.
00:33:48.000 And the muster, they'd brief you on whatever needed to be done for the day and everything else like that?
00:33:52.000 Well, they wanted to make sure everybody was there.
00:33:54.000 Okay.
00:33:54.000 Right.
00:33:55.000 So it's like taking attendance and then give any news or anything else that needed to be done?
00:34:00.000 Yeah.
00:34:00.000 I'm assuming?
00:34:00.000 Okay.
00:34:00.000 And we got certain jobs we were supposed to take care of, which we did.
00:34:04.000 Okay.
00:34:04.000 And I was in the ship fitter shop.
00:34:07.000 Okay.
00:34:08.000 I started out in the boiler room and machinist mate.
00:34:11.000 Okay.
00:34:12.000 That's where you started.
00:34:12.000 Okay.
00:34:13.000 Yeah, it was hot as hell down there, man.
00:34:14.000 I was going to say.
00:34:15.000 Yeah, we had the old boilers, you know, and it was hot.
00:34:17.000 Yeah.
00:34:19.000 I decided I wanted to get out of there and go up topside.
00:34:22.000 Yeah.
00:34:22.000 I finally got up there.
00:34:23.000 Okay.
00:34:24.000 And you did the engineering...
00:34:26.000 How long were you in the boiler room for?
00:34:28.000 About...
00:34:30.000 Nine months.
00:34:31.000 Nine months?
00:34:32.000 Okay.
00:34:32.000 And then you went up to the top side and you said you were doing...
00:34:35.000 Ship fitter work.
00:34:36.000 I was a ship fitter pipe.
00:34:37.000 Okay.
00:34:38.000 What's that entail?
00:34:39.000 Welding and taking care of shipboard water, potable water, and salt water.
00:34:45.000 And we would salinate.
00:34:47.000 The engineers in the engine room would do that. 0.90
00:34:51.000 They'd salinate the water and keep the boulders going and things like that.
00:34:55.000 Okay, so general ship maintenance in that regard.
00:34:58.000 Yeah, general ship maintenance.
00:34:59.000 Okay, and so, all right, so you wake up, you sit around five, chow, muster up around 7.30, work during the day.
00:35:08.000 What time are you guys done with work by?
00:35:10.000 Four or five?
00:35:11.000 Well, it just depending if we were to stand and watch.
00:35:14.000 Sometimes, use work four hours.
00:35:17.000 And then go on watch for four hours.
00:35:20.000 And then four hours later, you go on another watch.
00:35:24.000 Okay.
00:35:25.000 So it was work, watch, work, watch.
00:35:28.000 Okay.
00:35:29.000 So you would work at four-hour spurts, and then you go watch.
00:35:35.000 Can you describe to the audience what being on watch means?
00:35:37.000 Sure.
00:35:38.000 Well, you could have like the 8 to 12 watch.
00:35:47.000 You have a certain duty, like a duty station.
00:35:50.000 My watches were still down in the engine room because I knew what I was doing down there.
00:35:55.000 I'd go down there and be a machinist mate, and that's taking care of the salination and all the water supply and the propulsion of the ship, main control, and that's what we would do for four hours.
00:36:12.000 Gotcha.
00:36:13.000 And then we would go to bed or whatever.
00:36:18.000 So were you never able to like go to bed for more than like four hours?
00:36:22.000 No, we would have sometimes a full eight hours.
00:36:26.000 Okay.
00:36:26.000 It just depends on what watch you have.
00:36:28.000 Like if you had the mid-watch, they let you sleep in an extra hour.
00:36:32.000 Okay.
00:36:32.000 That's from, you know, midnight to four, and they give you an extra hour to sleep and then go back to work.
00:36:39.000 Gotcha, gotcha.
00:36:40.000 So watch is basically like, I guess, being on watch for whatever MOS you had already.
00:36:45.000 Sure.
00:36:45.000 Making sure that you maintaining the ship at all times because, you know, obviously the 24-7 operation, right?
00:36:51.000 Yeah.
00:36:51.000 Yeah.
00:36:52.000 And you guys are, I'm assuming, out in the middle of the sea just collecting information, so it's not like you guys are close to shore, right?
00:36:57.000 No, we were always out to sea, far away, not far away, but staying in international waters.
00:37:07.000 In fact, our normal cruising was from Norfolk to Africa.
00:37:14.000 Oh, wow.
00:37:14.000 From Norfolk, Virginia.
00:37:16.000 All the way to, I'm assuming, Western Africa.
00:37:19.000 Western Africa, and we'd stop in Luanda.
00:37:22.000 Many different ports there.
00:37:26.000 How long would that voyage take?
00:37:28.000 We usually did three months, three and a half months, and come back, and then need to refit the ship, make sure everything's good, and go back out again.
00:37:35.000 So it's three months from Norfolk to Africa?
00:37:39.000 Yeah.
00:37:40.000 Wow.
00:37:40.000 That was our normal steaming, up and down the coast, up and down the coast, about five knots.
00:37:46.000 Picking up signals out of the air is perfectly legal.
00:37:49.000 Everybody did it.
00:37:50.000 Yep, yep.
00:37:51.000 Because you're in international waters at this point.
00:37:52.000 International waters all the time.
00:37:54.000 Yeah.
00:37:55.000 So, and I'm assuming it's not like you guys were rushing to get to Africa.
00:37:59.000 It's just like you guys would kind of be out there in the water, collect, collect, collect.
00:38:02.000 Yeah.
00:38:02.000 Okay, let's keep pushing, collect, collect, collect.
00:38:04.000 But typically it would be three months, you'd be in Africa. 0.55
00:38:07.000 And then you said, how long would you guys stay in Africa before you went back to Virginia?
00:38:12.000 About three months, three and a half months.
00:38:14.000 Okay, so we're talking...
00:38:15.000 All right, so three months out, get to Africa, three months at Africa, and then three months back.
00:38:22.000 Yeah.
00:38:24.000 So we're talking like nine months, almost a year, to do a full rotation.
00:38:27.000 Yeah.
00:38:28.000 While you're sailing on the water, do any countries approach you to ask what you're doing in their waters at all?
00:38:34.000 Or they just knew that you were like...
00:38:36.000 No.
00:38:36.000 We operated alone, and we would see different ships, Russian ships or other different nations, but we weren't harassed by them or anything like that.
00:38:48.000 They were doing the same thing.
00:38:49.000 They're picking up signals out of the side, seeing what they could figure out.
00:38:54.000 Okay.
00:38:57.000 I really want to know, though.
00:38:58.000 Okay, so you're all at sea, right?
00:38:59.000 And literally, like, just you guys for a couple months, your most on and off.
00:39:04.000 How do you guys have fun on the ship?
00:39:06.000 Like, is there, like, things you can do on the ship?
00:39:07.000 For example, maybe, like, games you can play, things you can do.
00:39:10.000 Yeah, how did you guys pass the time when you weren't working, I guess, or on watch?
00:39:14.000 Yeah, we play cards, play poker, throw dice. 0.99
00:39:19.000 You know, typical min shit. 1.00
00:39:21.000 Okay. 1.00
00:39:23.000 Were there women on board? 0.99
00:39:24.000 Any girls? 0.90
00:39:25.000 No, that was back then.
00:39:27.000 It was called a bad omen if you had women aboard ship. 1.00
00:39:34.000 The sirens!
00:39:35.000 Nice, good.
00:39:36.000 That's the way it should be.
00:39:37.000 No women in the military. 1.00
00:39:39.000 No, I'm just kidding.
00:39:40.000 How dare you?
00:39:41.000 Just kidding.
00:39:45.000 Slow your roll.
00:39:46.000 Well, and a support roll, you know what I mean.
00:39:48.000 So, women were never on the ship with you guys, at least back then.
00:39:51.000 No, no.
00:39:52.000 They didn't start that until back in the 80s, I think, something like that.
00:39:57.000 Were women even allowed in the military at this point? 0.99
00:40:00.000 Yeah, they were allowed.
00:40:01.000 But like in the Navy, they were called waves.
00:40:04.000 And most of it was clerical, you know, like corpsmen.
00:40:07.000 Ah, support work.
00:40:07.000 Yeah, or yeoman, you know, typing and stuff like that.
00:40:10.000 Gotcha.
00:40:11.000 But they didn't go aboard ship.
00:40:12.000 Yeah, they didn't do anything that could be combat related or anything like that.
00:40:16.000 No, no.
00:40:16.000 Okay, just support.
00:40:17.000 All right, fair enough.
00:40:19.000 I think we could get into the juicy stuff now.
00:40:21.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:40:22.000 Because I wanted the audience to really understand what his duties were, etc.
00:40:25.000 Because then the story's going to make sense when he starts talking about what happened.
00:40:29.000 He was definitely there, and he was sort of fully in the military as well.
00:40:32.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:40:34.000 Anything you guys got before we go off YouTube and get on the, go into the, like, obviously June 8th?
00:40:39.000 Nothing?
00:40:40.000 All right, so guys, come on over to Rumble, rumble.com.
00:40:42.000 We're going to go into June 8th, 1967, a very important day, a very tragic day.
00:40:50.000 So come on over to Rumble, guys, right now.
00:40:55.000 Rumble on Locals only, yep.
00:40:56.000 Which we'll still have the green banner on for the people.
00:40:58.000 Yeah, so...
00:41:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:02.000 We'll still be live on YouTube, but they're going to switch on over.
00:41:10.000 You ready, Bills?
00:41:12.000 I'm just...
00:41:13.000 Oh, you're spamming the chat?
00:41:14.000 Yeah.
00:41:14.000 Yeah, I see Mo was spamming the chat.
00:41:18.000 We're good?
00:41:21.000 Good to go?
00:41:22.000 Alright, so we're on Rumble.
00:41:23.000 Okay, so take us through June 8th, 1967.
00:41:30.000 Okay, I'd like to start by saying first, we left port to go to Africa, our normal steaming.
00:41:43.000 We went to Abidjan to get off ship, go on liberty, have some beer or whatever.
00:41:50.000 So you guys were in Africa at this point?
00:41:51.000 Yeah, we were right in Africa.
00:41:53.000 We just got there.
00:41:55.000 And around, I don't know, 10.30 or 11.30, all hell broke loose.
00:42:03.000 And the captain says, get everybody aboard back ship.
00:42:05.000 This is June 8th, right?
00:42:08.000 No.
00:42:08.000 This is like June the 2nd.
00:42:11.000 Okay.
00:42:11.000 All right.
00:42:12.000 And they said, get everybody back aboard ship now.
00:42:15.000 We got to go right now.
00:42:17.000 That's never happened to us before.
00:42:19.000 Interesting.
00:42:20.000 And you said this was at 10 p.m.
00:42:21.000 at night?
00:42:21.000 Yes.
00:42:22.000 Okay.
00:42:23.000 So you guys are there.
00:42:23.000 You had been there for literally not even 24 hours in Africa.
00:42:26.000 Yeah.
00:42:26.000 And they're like, hey, get everybody back on the ship.
00:42:29.000 We're going back.
00:42:30.000 Yeah, fast as we could go.
00:42:32.000 Okay.
00:42:32.000 And we did.
00:42:34.000 For parts unknown, we didn't know where we were going.
00:42:36.000 But the ship was going as fast as it could.
00:42:40.000 They took the governors off the main control, which is the engines, to make it go 18 and a half knots.
00:42:47.000 And that was fast for that old ship.
00:42:49.000 Yeah.
00:42:50.000 Excuse me.
00:42:50.000 We got there.
00:42:51.000 We got through the rocket gibralder.
00:42:54.000 All the other ships were going the other way.
00:42:58.000 We were the only one going that way.
00:43:00.000 So you guys were sailing north or south then?
00:43:04.000 Okay, because I'm assuming you guys are in Western Africa, right?
00:43:06.000 Yeah.
00:43:07.000 Did you guys sail towards Egypt or south?
00:43:11.000 We sailed towards Egypt.
00:43:13.000 Towards Egypt north.
00:43:14.000 Okay.
00:43:15.000 So let's see if we can pull up a map here real fast.
00:43:18.000 I think that'll probably be better, just so we can give the audience a visual representation.
00:43:23.000 We're gonna pull up the map here.
00:43:24.000 But continue on, sorry.
00:43:25.000 So you...
00:43:26.000 And then we got that picture of the USS Liberty too, right?
00:43:29.000 Chat, guys?
00:43:30.000 Yes.
00:43:30.000 Alright, come on guys, focus.
00:43:31.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:43:32.000 It's right there.
00:43:34.000 Yeah, let's show the Liberty first.
00:43:36.000 So this is it, guys.
00:43:37.000 You can see all the antennas there, etc.
00:43:39.000 Which, you know, obviously for the 60s, very sophisticated.
00:43:42.000 Um...
00:43:45.000 There's a theory that the US government has a lot of advanced technology way before we get it as the public.
00:43:54.000 Oh yeah.
00:43:55.000 So it was mainly on the ship then.
00:43:56.000 That is technology.
00:44:02.000 He's sending a bunch of pictures of the damages.
00:44:04.000 Okay.
00:44:05.000 Okay.
00:44:05.000 But I want to show a picture of Africa.
00:44:08.000 So yeah, so we can kind of like know where they were and then where they were sailing.
00:44:11.000 So the audience kind of has an idea.
00:44:16.000 Because in my head, it sounds like you guys kind of sailed towards Italy?
00:44:20.000 Yes.
00:44:21.000 North Africa? 0.85
00:44:21.000 Yeah. 0.85
00:44:21.000 Okay, going towards Egypt. 0.85
00:44:23.000 Yes.
00:44:24.000 We went through the rock.
00:44:25.000 Boom.
00:44:26.000 So, yeah.
00:44:27.000 So, basically, you guys were...
00:44:30.000 I can't see.
00:44:33.000 Can you make it a little bit bigger?
00:44:36.000 Okay.
00:44:36.000 So, here we go.
00:44:36.000 Boom.
00:44:37.000 So, you said...
00:44:38.000 Where'd you guys land?
00:44:41.000 We were in Abijan.
00:44:42.000 Abijan.
00:44:43.000 Where's that?
00:44:43.000 I'm trying to look here.
00:44:44.000 Yeah, let's see.
00:44:45.000 It should be down.
00:44:50.000 Angola.
00:44:54.000 Hmm.
00:44:55.000 Yeah, because I don't know if it shows.
00:44:58.000 How many different maps?
00:45:00.000 Pull that map back up, Bills.
00:45:03.000 Yeah, pull it up real fast.
00:45:05.000 You said it was near Angola?
00:45:08.000 So, basically, but you guys were over here, let's say Cape Verde, just to keep it simple.
00:45:12.000 You guys were in that Cape Verde area, right?
00:45:14.000 And then they told you to get back on the ship, and you guys went and you sailed around the top.
00:45:20.000 So you guys were passing Morocco, Tunisia, etc.
00:45:22.000 That's where you guys were.
00:45:23.000 Yep.
00:45:24.000 Okay.
00:45:24.000 We went right through the rock of Gibraltar, Myron, and headed into the Mediterranean.
00:45:29.000 Gotcha.
00:45:30.000 Okay.
00:45:30.000 So you guys were headed towards the Mediterranean Sea.
00:45:32.000 Yeah.
00:45:33.000 Okay.
00:45:33.000 So this is on or about June 2nd.
00:45:35.000 Yeah.
00:45:36.000 When you guys left?
00:45:37.000 Okay.
00:45:37.000 All right.
00:45:38.000 Continue on.
00:45:38.000 Sorry.
00:45:39.000 Fastest we could go.
00:45:40.000 18 and a half knots, right?
00:45:41.000 Yeah.
00:45:43.000 And then we thought, well, something is going on here real bad.
00:45:48.000 And we didn't know what.
00:45:50.000 We didn't know the six-day war started.
00:45:54.000 It started early.
00:45:56.000 Yeah.
00:45:56.000 On June the 5th, I believe, or 4th, whatever.
00:46:01.000 But we got on station...
00:46:05.000 On June the 7th.
00:46:08.000 Okay, so just so I can make sure I have this right.
00:46:11.000 So June 2nd, you guys, high tail out of there.
00:46:14.000 And then you said on June 5th, you guys, is the reason why you guys got out of there on June 2nd, like they picked up radio transmission of an impeding war coming?
00:46:23.000 Yes.
00:46:23.000 In the Middle East?
00:46:24.000 Yeah.
00:46:24.000 Okay.
00:46:25.000 And the six-day war, if I'm not mistaken, this is between Israel and Egypt.
00:46:28.000 Right.
00:46:28.000 The Arab states, Jordan.
00:46:30.000 Yep.
00:46:31.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:46:32.000 Jordan, Egypt.
00:46:33.000 Syria.
00:46:34.000 Syria.
00:46:35.000 Lebanon, too?
00:46:36.000 I don't think Lebanon. 0.99
00:46:38.000 Maybe it was.
00:46:38.000 I don't know.
00:46:39.000 But the beginning of the Six-Day War was starting.
00:46:41.000 And you guys picked up this intel, so you guys started heading that way.
00:46:45.000 Yes.
00:46:45.000 Gotcha.
00:46:46.000 Okay.
00:46:47.000 I'm assuming to support Israel.
00:46:49.000 That's what we thought.
00:46:51.000 We had like on the 7th when we knew what was going on.
00:46:56.000 Okay.
00:46:57.000 Because it took you a few days to get out there.
00:46:58.000 Yeah.
00:46:58.000 So it took about five days to get to the Mediterranean Sea.
00:47:02.000 We stopped in Rota, Spain first.
00:47:05.000 Okay.
00:47:05.000 We had to pick up some more linguists.
00:47:09.000 We picked up two, excuse me, three marine linguists.
00:47:14.000 Okay.
00:47:15.000 That spoke Arabic?
00:47:16.000 Yes.
00:47:17.000 Okay.
00:47:17.000 And Russian.
00:47:19.000 Russian?
00:47:20.000 Yes.
00:47:21.000 Why Russian? 0.57
00:47:22.000 I don't know.
00:47:23.000 We had one, his name was Bryce Lockwood.
00:47:25.000 He was a linguist.
00:47:27.000 He was a Russian linguist.
00:47:30.000 Okay.
00:47:30.000 All right.
00:47:31.000 So two Arab linguists, one Russian linguist.
00:47:34.000 You guys stopped in Spain to get them.
00:47:36.000 And a civilian.
00:47:36.000 His name was Alan Blue.
00:47:38.000 Okay.
00:47:38.000 And he was working for NSA. Okay.
00:47:42.000 He was a civilian contractor.
00:47:45.000 Gotcha.
00:47:46.000 Okay.
00:47:47.000 Interesting.
00:47:47.000 Okay.
00:47:48.000 So you pick these, what, three or four individuals up, and then you guys continue on towards the Mediterranean?
00:47:53.000 Absolutely.
00:47:53.000 Okay.
00:47:55.000 Then we knew there was a war going on.
00:47:59.000 The captain of the ship, Captain William McGonagall, He asked the Sixth Fleet or higher-ups for a destroyer escort.
00:48:12.000 Okay.
00:48:13.000 Or a destroyer.
00:48:15.000 The individual that requested this, was he like the highest chain of command individual on board?
00:48:21.000 Well, yeah, captain was.
00:48:23.000 The captain.
00:48:24.000 And then the second or third in command was David Lewis.
00:48:28.000 He was the head spy there.
00:48:30.000 Okay, and he was the one that requested?
00:48:32.000 Well, the captain did, and David Lewis.
00:48:35.000 Both of them requested?
00:48:36.000 Both of them denied.
00:48:38.000 Getting you guys a worship?
00:48:40.000 Yeah, they wouldn't support us.
00:48:42.000 They said, you've got an American flag.
00:48:45.000 You're clearly marked.
00:48:46.000 You have nothing to worry, nothing to fear.
00:48:49.000 Because you guys wanted an escort.
00:48:50.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:48:51.000 A warship escort.
00:48:52.000 Absolutely.
00:48:52.000 Because you guys knew that you were going into a hostile area.
00:48:55.000 We didn't know what was going to happen.
00:48:58.000 Gotcha.
00:48:58.000 So let me just make sure I get this straight just for the audience.
00:49:01.000 You guys landed in Africa on or about June 2nd.
00:49:05.000 Not even 24 hours there, they're like, we gotta hightail it, because you guys got word that there's probably a potential conflict going on in the Middle East between Israel and these Arab countries.
00:49:13.000 You guys go to Spain, pick up four individuals, linguists, three linguists, Arab, and then one Russian, and then you guys request assistance with a warship escort as you get further into the Mediterranean, and they denied you.
00:49:26.000 They denied us twice.
00:49:27.000 Because it's a spy ship.
00:49:28.000 You guys don't have the same capabilities of defending yourself as a warship, right?
00:49:31.000 No.
00:49:31.000 That's why you wanted an escort.
00:49:32.000 Yeah, we had actually no defense.
00:49:34.000 The only thing we had a defense was.450 caliber machine guns.
00:49:38.000 Wow.
00:49:39.000 Okay.
00:49:39.000 So that explains why you guys wanted the support.
00:49:42.000 Now, at this point, what date is it when they denied you guys this warship escort?
00:49:47.000 Roughly.
00:49:48.000 Well, roughly say the 5th.
00:49:51.000 Okay.
00:49:52.000 And they said, don't worry about it.
00:49:55.000 You guys are fine.
00:49:57.000 Don't worry about it.
00:49:57.000 Were you guys in Spain when you got this information or were you guys already back going towards the Mediterranean at this point?
00:50:02.000 We were headed toward the Med.
00:50:03.000 Okay.
00:50:04.000 Headed toward Egypt.
00:50:06.000 Okay.
00:50:06.000 They said you had an American flag, so you were fine?
00:50:09.000 Yes.
00:50:09.000 How big was that flag?
00:50:11.000 Well, we had a 5x8.
00:50:14.000 We had two 5x8s.
00:50:16.000 Yeah.
00:50:17.000 And a 7x13.
00:50:19.000 Okay.
00:50:21.000 Clearly marked.
00:50:24.000 Brand new flags.
00:50:26.000 You could see them as clear as day.
00:50:28.000 As clear as day.
00:50:30.000 And it was beautiful days all the way there.
00:50:34.000 I mean, it was sunny, sunny, beautiful days all the way there.
00:50:37.000 And we got there on the...
00:50:39.000 On the 7th of June, and I wanted to tell you guys about this.
00:50:45.000 Everybody aboard the ship had written, not everybody, but you could see stars of David.
00:50:54.000 People would paste up because we knew that the Arabs were fighting the Israelis, or I should put it, the Israelis were fighting the Arabs.
00:51:05.000 But They were all happy.
00:51:08.000 We wanted Israel to win.
00:51:11.000 Of course, we thought they were an ally.
00:51:13.000 Yeah.
00:51:14.000 So, we get there on the 7th.
00:51:18.000 Israeli reconnaissance aircraft, smaller aircraft, you know, and then a flying boxcar, which is a two-engine plane, and it would come very low.
00:51:32.000 Tipped their wings.
00:51:33.000 We'd wave at them.
00:51:34.000 You could see the pilots.
00:51:35.000 We'd wave back and we thought, hey man, our buddies are here to help us if anything happens, you know.
00:51:42.000 And then we get on the 8th, the same thing happened again.
00:51:45.000 We're right in the middle of the war zone.
00:51:47.000 You could see the bombs dropping, black smoke, and it was, you know, everything.
00:51:53.000 How far were you guys from Egypt at this point?
00:51:55.000 Well, we were 12.5 miles off the Sinai coast.
00:51:59.000 Okay.
00:52:00.000 12.5 miles.
00:52:01.000 And we were always in international waters.
00:52:03.000 Always.
00:52:04.000 Okay.
00:52:05.000 Because of the nature of the ship and what you guys were doing since you were a spy ship.
00:52:10.000 Right.
00:52:10.000 Yeah.
00:52:11.000 Absolutely.
00:52:11.000 Okay.
00:52:12.000 So, you're in international waters, but you're seeing the conflict going on between Israel and Egypt.
00:52:17.000 Yes.
00:52:18.000 And the day prior, Israeli... 0.92
00:52:23.000 Jets flew by you guys and waved.
00:52:25.000 Not the jets.
00:52:27.000 It was just the recon aircraft.
00:52:28.000 Recon aircraft, okay.
00:52:30.000 Right.
00:52:30.000 So they knew, and you guys had the American flag on there.
00:52:32.000 Yeah.
00:52:33.000 So they knew.
00:52:33.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:34.000 And in their headquarters, they identified us as American and friendly.
00:52:42.000 And this was repeated several times.
00:52:44.000 So they knew who we were on the 7th and the 8th.
00:52:51.000 Was the 7th the first time that you guys got contact with the Israelis?
00:52:55.000 I don't think we ever contacted them.
00:52:57.000 I don't mean contact.
00:52:58.000 I mean like the first time you guys had saw each other was the 7th.
00:53:01.000 Okay.
00:53:02.000 All right.
00:53:02.000 So, just going back real quick so I make sure I understand this because obviously things are going to pick up here.
00:53:09.000 You guys leave from Spain, ask for assistance.
00:53:13.000 They say no, but you guys head on there anyway.
00:53:15.000 You guys get to about 12.5 miles out from Egypt, but you guys are still in international waters.
00:53:22.000 Recon aircraft from Israel sees you guys, and you guys are assured from your chain of command that Israel knows that you guys are friendlies.
00:53:30.000 Yes.
00:53:31.000 And I'm assuming this is the same chain of command that denied you guys the warship escort before.
00:53:35.000 Yes.
00:53:36.000 Okay, wow.
00:53:37.000 Okay.
00:53:38.000 So, this is on June 7th, and then on June 8th you said they passed by again, the recon ships.
00:53:43.000 Yeah, for about four hours in the morning, over and over again.
00:53:47.000 Okay, so take us through June 8th then.
00:53:49.000 So you wake up, what time, and then we can just go through the whole day.
00:53:54.000 Okay, we get up, and we muster, and it was just like any other day.
00:54:03.000 What was the temperature?
00:54:04.000 Was it cloudy?
00:54:05.000 Was it nice?
00:54:06.000 Oh, it was a beautiful, beautiful sunny day.
00:54:08.000 Clear.
00:54:09.000 Warm outside, clear.
00:54:10.000 And our ship was, if you weren't working, you could go up on deck and sunbathe and do anything you wanted to.
00:54:19.000 And we had people sunbathing.
00:54:22.000 On the deck, because we did it all the time, going up, you know, down to Africa.
00:54:27.000 And we continued that, because it was just what we did.
00:54:34.000 Now, out of curiosity, they rushed you guys from Eastern Africa and you guys went all the way around towards Egypt because this conflict was going on between Israel and the Arab states.
00:54:47.000 Were you guys there to, I guess, collect intelligence as the main reason they wanted you so close to the action?
00:54:52.000 Absolutely.
00:54:53.000 David Lewis, in one of his interviews, he was a head spy there, Myron.
00:54:59.000 He wasn't on board though, right?
00:55:00.000 Yeah.
00:55:01.000 Oh, he was on board.
00:55:01.000 He was on board.
00:55:03.000 And he was ordered any Arabic, excuse me, any Hebrew or UK Message, you were supposed to drop it immediately.
00:55:17.000 Do not listen to Israel or the United Kingdom. 0.93
00:55:22.000 Drop it immediately.
00:55:24.000 So you guys could not collect on our allies, I guess?
00:55:27.000 No.
00:55:28.000 That's what he was told, and that's what he told us.
00:55:30.000 Okay.
00:55:31.000 I wonder why.
00:55:32.000 That's a good question.
00:55:33.000 I wonder why, but we'll get into that.
00:55:36.000 Yeah.
00:55:36.000 Oh, boy.
00:55:38.000 So you guys are there.
00:55:40.000 So June 8th.
00:55:42.000 You guys think it's all good because, obviously, Israeli aircraft had passed by.
00:55:46.000 You guys already waved.
00:55:47.000 Everything's cool.
00:55:48.000 The day before, your chain of command assures you, you guys are fine.
00:55:51.000 Israel's aware that you guys are there and you guys are friendlies.
00:55:54.000 So you guys are there collecting information, presumably collecting on the Arabs to share with the Israelis.
00:55:59.000 So you guys were there in a support function for Israel.
00:56:03.000 And guys were even chilling out, sunbathing, right?
00:56:05.000 Like, on the deck.
00:56:07.000 It's a beautiful June day.
00:56:11.000 You said you mustered up, it was a regular work day, and then what?
00:56:17.000 About, oh, 11.30, 12 o'clock, they had a general quarter station.
00:56:23.000 And what that is, is you go to the general quarters, and we would do certain drills.
00:56:28.000 You know, it could be, on this particular day, it was a chemical attack.
00:56:34.000 And I was assistant on-scene leader in the forward repair party.
00:56:40.000 And I was wearing an impregnated suit pretending we were washing down the ship with fire gear, fire hoses.
00:56:51.000 Okay, so you were wearing almost like a fireman's outfit during the training exercise of a simulation of if the ship was on fire.
00:56:59.000 No, this is a chemical drill in case we got chemicals dropped on us.
00:57:04.000 Gotcha.
00:57:05.000 Biological.
00:57:06.000 Okay.
00:57:07.000 And this went on for probably, I don't know, 45 minutes.
00:57:09.000 It was so hot, so hot, you guys.
00:57:13.000 I almost passed out in that suit.
00:57:15.000 I couldn't wait to get out of that thing.
00:57:18.000 Yeah.
00:57:19.000 Finally, we secured from general quarters.
00:57:22.000 The old man said, good job, you guys.
00:57:24.000 I stowed my gear.
00:57:28.000 It's about 1 p.m.
00:57:29.000 now?
00:57:30.000 Training is completed?
00:57:31.000 Yeah, about 1.30.
00:57:34.000 Okay.
00:57:37.000 Maybe a little before that, but the sound pyrophones were working in the forward gun mount on the starboard side.
00:57:48.000 So it was my obligation to make sure those phones worked.
00:57:53.000 So I got an IC man to come up there, David Skolak, young guy, beautiful young guy, and also Hal Thompson was there.
00:58:03.000 It was a gunner's meeting.
00:58:05.000 Okay.
00:58:06.000 So after you finished the biological chemicals, biological attack training, you focused on, now we gotta fix the phones, or make sure that they're up to par.
00:58:15.000 Right, they weren't working, it was right in the gun mount.
00:58:18.000 Random question, but did you guys eat lunch yet at this point, or no?
00:58:21.000 We already had lunch.
00:58:22.000 You had lunch earlier, okay.
00:58:23.000 So, lunch, Mustard, work, lunch, chemical training, and then now you're repairing the phones.
00:58:32.000 Absolutely.
00:58:32.000 Okay, make sure everything's...
00:58:33.000 Right.
00:58:34.000 And I was talking to David Skolak, and I said, hey, you know, this would be a hell of a bad place to be in if we ever got attacked.
00:58:50.000 Oh, my God, really?
00:58:52.000 Yes, yes.
00:58:53.000 Were the phones in a very open area?
00:58:56.000 Yeah, it was right down below on the gun tub where you hook them in.
00:59:03.000 And for some reason, it wasn't working.
00:59:06.000 The phones?
00:59:07.000 Yeah.
00:59:07.000 Okay.
00:59:08.000 And he said, I got it, Tony.
00:59:10.000 I'll take care of it.
00:59:11.000 How long had the phones been down before you guys actually brought it to your attention and you said you were going to fix them?
00:59:16.000 They were down during the GQ drill.
00:59:20.000 General quarters.
00:59:22.000 Literally, the training exercise you guys had just done?
00:59:24.000 Yeah.
00:59:25.000 Okay.
00:59:25.000 They weren't working then.
00:59:27.000 Okay.
00:59:28.000 All right.
00:59:28.000 So that's when we had to get them done.
00:59:32.000 So I did.
00:59:34.000 I got Skolak out of the IC shop, and that was his job, to take care of the sound-powered phones and the communications.
00:59:40.000 And you said the phones were right next to the guns?
00:59:42.000 What a strange place to put the phones.
00:59:44.000 When you try to make a phone call, you better not be using the guns at the same time.
00:59:49.000 There were headsets with a little thing on, and they were sound powered, not electrical.
00:59:57.000 So he says, I got it, Tony.
01:00:01.000 And that's when I said, this would be a hell of a bad place to be if we got attacked.
01:00:08.000 Was it, like, open to, like, everything?
01:00:10.000 It was, like, wide out in the open?
01:00:11.000 Is that why?
01:00:12.000 Yeah.
01:00:13.000 The gun tub?
01:00:14.000 Yeah.
01:00:14.000 Oh, yeah.
01:00:15.000 It was on the starboard side.
01:00:16.000 We had one on the starboard.
01:00:18.000 We had one on the port in the forward.
01:00:20.000 Mid-ships, we had one on the port and starboard as well.
01:00:23.000 And they were all out in the open.
01:00:25.000 The metal on those things was only about that thick around the tub.
01:00:28.000 Gotcha.
01:00:30.000 So I said, well, I guess I'm going to go back to my duty station.
01:00:35.000 I'm out of here.
01:00:36.000 Yeah, and...
01:00:39.000 You know, I walked back to my workstation.
01:00:42.000 It wasn't 30 seconds after I got my workstation.
01:00:47.000 All hell broke loose.
01:00:49.000 So now it's 1.30, 1.45-ish?
01:00:52.000 Two o'clock.
01:00:52.000 Two o'clock, okay.
01:00:54.000 Exercise completes at 1.30.
01:00:56.000 You're working on the phones.
01:00:58.000 You notice, hey, I need to go back to my station to get some other equipment and materials? 0.99
01:01:03.000 You literally get in to your station, and then you start hearing crazy shit. 0.98
01:01:07.000 Everything blew up. 0.98
01:01:09.000 Everything was rockets and cannons.
01:01:11.000 What was the first thing you heard?
01:01:13.000 The first thing I heard?
01:01:14.000 What was the first thing you heard, yeah, when you got back over there?
01:01:16.000 Well, the first thing I heard, first they said over the 1MC, they tested the boats every day to make sure the engines work and everything.
01:01:28.000 Gotcha.
01:01:29.000 And the boat was right outside my workspace.
01:01:34.000 There's a huge explosion. 0.99
01:01:36.000 And I thought, oh shit, they blew up the whale boat. 0.98
01:01:40.000 I started to go out the hatch. 0.91
01:01:42.000 And the whale boat, just so I make sure I understand this, is that like one of the escape boats, like the smaller boats on the side, emergency boats?
01:01:48.000 Yeah.
01:01:48.000 It's about 25, 30 feet long.
01:01:51.000 Okay.
01:01:51.000 They put it on divots and take it over.
01:01:53.000 Gotcha.
01:01:54.000 So if, God forbid, something happens, you guys get attacked or something like that, you have boats that you can kind of escape on.
01:01:58.000 Right.
01:01:59.000 Okay.
01:01:59.000 So you hear an explosion.
01:02:01.000 You think, what the fuck? 0.99
01:02:01.000 Did these guys blow up one of the boats? 0.99
01:02:03.000 Well, I thought it was, yeah, I thought that one of the engine men blew it up.
01:02:08.000 Okay.
01:02:09.000 So I started to go out there and see what was going on.
01:02:12.000 And this first-class niece, he was a chief a little bit later, he grabbed me by the neck, shirt, and he says, man, we're under attack. 0.99
01:02:22.000 And I said, oh, shit. 0.99
01:02:24.000 So I started running down to my repair station. 0.99
01:02:28.000 And as I went down the ladder to the mess decks, I fell completely down the ladder.
01:02:36.000 Did you trip or something?
01:02:38.000 I must have because I ended up on my back.
01:02:43.000 There were so many men running, trying to get to their duty stations.
01:02:48.000 And I'm assuming, when you say duty stations, this is the station that, if you're ever under attack, this is where you need to go to and do this job.
01:02:56.000 Right.
01:02:56.000 Everybody has a general quarters station they have to go to.
01:02:59.000 Okay.
01:03:00.000 And I rolled to my right, and when they quit running, I got up and went to my repair party forward.
01:03:07.000 So what was your duty station in particular?
01:03:09.000 It was a repair party forward, too, and I was an assistant on-screen leader, firefighter.
01:03:15.000 I directed things.
01:03:17.000 Okay, so you're under attack.
01:03:20.000 You're like, I got to get to my duty station.
01:03:23.000 And in this case, your job was a firefighter.
01:03:26.000 Okay.
01:03:27.000 And everyone else, I'm assuming, is scrambling to get to their duty stations.
01:03:30.000 Sure.
01:03:30.000 Because there's a protocol when you're under attack, everyone needs to do XYZ. Right now.
01:03:34.000 You've got to get going.
01:03:35.000 Yeah.
01:03:36.000 And that's what we all did, except the ones that were already getting shot at.
01:03:42.000 Okay.
01:03:44.000 So you fall down the ladder, or you fall on your back, you get up, and then what?
01:03:49.000 I run to my duty station.
01:03:52.000 I mean, as fast as I could get there.
01:03:56.000 What's the environment like? 0.99
01:03:58.000 Is it just, like, fucking chaos? 0.99
01:03:59.000 Like, what are you hearing? 1.00
01:04:00.000 What are you smelling?
01:04:01.000 What are you seeing?
01:04:02.000 All you can hear is rockets and cannons hitting us.
01:04:07.000 Explosion after explosion.
01:04:08.000 On the top of the deck, Myron...
01:04:11.000 You could see they had big holes coming through the top.
01:04:15.000 You could see sunshine coming through the deck all over.
01:04:20.000 Wow.
01:04:23.000 Okay.
01:04:24.000 So you could see literally cratering holes and the sun was coming through.
01:04:27.000 Yes.
01:04:28.000 Okay.
01:04:29.000 This is what, just not even a minute or two after you heard the first explosion?
01:04:34.000 They took out every tuning antenna on that ship.
01:04:40.000 And every watertight door above the waterline in three seconds. 0.53
01:04:45.000 Wow.
01:04:47.000 There was only one antenna that was taken offline by Terry Haldebardier because it wasn't sending signals.
01:04:56.000 And the other antennas were all hot.
01:04:59.000 They had heat-seeking missiles and they knocked them all out.
01:05:03.000 Oh.
01:05:04.000 Terry ran a long cable And got a message out.
01:05:10.000 Rockstar!
01:05:10.000 Rockstar!
01:05:11.000 Under attack!
01:05:12.000 Help! 0.98
01:05:12.000 Help! 0.98
01:05:12.000 Rockstar! 0.98
01:05:12.000 That was a call sign for the ship. 0.98
01:05:14.000 Right.
01:05:14.000 Rockstar.
01:05:15.000 Okay.
01:05:16.000 And that was picked up as far away as Vietnam.
01:05:21.000 Wow!
01:05:23.000 The 6th Fleet picked it up, but I might add, all five of our distress signals were jammed.
01:05:31.000 That's a war crime. 0.90
01:05:33.000 They were jamming every signal.
01:05:34.000 The only time we could get a signal, not our Terry did, was when they were firing the rockets and they couldn't jam.
01:05:42.000 So the USS America, USS Saratoga picked it up.
01:05:47.000 Captain Tully, which he was a friend of mine, he came to a couple of our reunions.
01:05:53.000 He sent aircraft to come to our aid.
01:05:57.000 Wow.
01:05:58.000 Even before they hit the horizon, they were recalled by Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense.
01:06:04.000 Okay.
01:06:05.000 America launched again and sold it to Tali.
01:06:10.000 They got back.
01:06:12.000 They were ready to come help us.
01:06:15.000 Where were these other ships stationed?
01:06:17.000 About 40 minutes away.
01:06:19.000 Okay, so they were also in the Mediterranean, these ships.
01:06:22.000 And I'm assuming these were warships, not intel ships.
01:06:27.000 The same warships that you guys wanted to escort you.
01:06:29.000 Yeah, we needed something, but they wouldn't help us.
01:06:32.000 But they sent the help, and they were recalled again, and they went to a higher authority.
01:06:38.000 Who recalled them?
01:06:41.000 Lyndon Baines Johnson.
01:06:42.000 Wow.
01:06:43.000 He says, I don't give a GD. If a bunch of sailors die, I'm not going to embarrass my ally, Israel.
01:06:53.000 Now, these jets were unmarked.
01:06:55.000 They were Mystere and Mirage jets, French made.
01:06:58.000 Okay.
01:06:59.000 This attack went on for 25 minutes.
01:07:01.000 The air attack.
01:07:03.000 How did Johnson know who was attacking us if we didn't?
01:07:07.000 Yeah.
01:07:07.000 So, okay, just going back a little bit.
01:07:11.000 So you get bombed.
01:07:13.000 You guys are getting attacked.
01:07:15.000 Luckily, the message was able to get out to the warships that you guys were under attack.
01:07:19.000 Because one of the antennas was still, I guess, up.
01:07:23.000 They bombed the other ones.
01:07:25.000 So thank God we had one more antenna left and you guys were able to do that.
01:07:28.000 So get the message out.
01:07:30.000 And you ask for support.
01:07:33.000 They try to get you support.
01:07:35.000 The president says no.
01:07:37.000 Declines it.
01:07:37.000 Twice?
01:07:38.000 Twice.
01:07:40.000 McNamara first, and then they went to the next higher authority and requested somebody else.
01:07:47.000 He's got to tell me not to do it.
01:07:50.000 Johnson got on the line.
01:07:51.000 And he said no.
01:07:52.000 You're not allowed to help the Liberty.
01:07:55.000 I don't care if the sailors are dead.
01:07:58.000 You literally said that.
01:07:59.000 Yeah.
01:08:00.000 I could care less. 0.87
01:08:01.000 I could give a GED if a few sailors die.
01:08:08.000 So, when you guys were getting attacked, what was going through your head when you guys were getting attacked?
01:08:14.000 Who did you think was attacking you at that moment?
01:08:16.000 We thought it was Arabs because we didn't know.
01:08:20.000 It was the IDF. They blacked the markings out on their airplanes.
01:08:26.000 They're all black. 1.00
01:08:27.000 Yeah.
01:08:27.000 So we had no idea.
01:08:29.000 No clue.
01:08:30.000 When the message out, by unknown jet aircraft.
01:08:32.000 Unknown jet aircraft.
01:08:33.000 Okay, the distress signal from you guys, from Rockstar to everybody else's, we're getting attacked by unidentified aircraft.
01:08:39.000 Right.
01:08:39.000 Blacked out.
01:08:40.000 We don't know who they are.
01:08:41.000 Right.
01:08:41.000 Wouldn't they care about the spies on the boat for the intel that they have?
01:08:46.000 Wouldn't he want the intel, the president, from the spies or no?
01:08:51.000 Well, I don't think he cared about the intel or anything else.
01:08:55.000 I think, well, to put it bluntly, we were set up by our own government to be slaughtered.
01:09:04.000 And that's pretty sad.
01:09:08.000 So...
01:09:11.000 You hear the explosions. 0.99
01:09:12.000 It's fucking chaos. 0.99
01:09:13.000 Smoke everywhere. 0.99
01:09:15.000 You said you're able to see holes in the deck.
01:09:19.000 You guys were getting bombed.
01:09:20.000 Was it like machine gun fire too?
01:09:22.000 Yeah, we had rockets and cannons and the attack lasts about 25 minutes with the aircraft.
01:09:28.000 They did about 30 silver T's attacks on us. 0.94
01:09:32.000 Were you able to get to your station and do what you needed to do?
01:09:35.000 I got to my station.
01:09:37.000 I did.
01:09:38.000 What were you doing?
01:09:39.000 That 25 minutes, what were you doing the whole time?
01:09:41.000 I was on the main deck pulling sailors off, throwing them into hatches, getting them at least off the deck.
01:09:51.000 There was a lot of people shot or rocketed.
01:10:00.000 So that was my job and that's what I did.
01:10:03.000 So you're pointing out fires and grabbing sailors and putting them in safety.
01:10:08.000 Right.
01:10:09.000 Well, the air attack lasted 25 minutes.
01:10:12.000 That's a long time.
01:10:13.000 Yeah.
01:10:13.000 We thought it was over because they did not...
01:10:17.000 I mean, that was it.
01:10:18.000 We said, thank God it's over.
01:10:20.000 It was just beginning.
01:10:22.000 That attack lasted two hours.
01:10:24.000 We had another hour and a half of hell.
01:10:30.000 Wow.
01:10:31.000 That's when they send the torpedo boats in.
01:10:34.000 So they hit you guys up with air?
01:10:36.000 To soften us up.
01:10:38.000 Yeah.
01:10:39.000 They send the torpedo boats out, three of them.
01:10:43.000 Three torpedo boats.
01:10:44.000 They got in a torpedo launch attitude about a thousand yards out.
01:10:50.000 They didn't fire just one torpedo.
01:10:52.000 They fired five torpedoes at us.
01:10:55.000 Five of them.
01:10:57.000 I saw two go after where the other two went. 0.61
01:11:00.000 I don't know.
01:11:01.000 But I know where the other one hit.
01:11:04.000 It hit right in the research bases where all the spies were. 0.99
01:11:09.000 Holy shit. 0.99
01:11:10.000 It blew 25 of them to bits. 1.00
01:11:15.000 Blew them to bits.
01:11:16.000 There were some that made it out of there by the grace of God.
01:11:20.000 Do you think the spies had intel that would have exposed somebody?
01:11:28.000 Well, it's interesting you say that.
01:11:30.000 Larry Bowen, he was a spy, and he was talking to a friend of his about there's a target that's going to be hit.
01:11:39.000 But he didn't know who the target was.
01:11:43.000 And the target was us.
01:11:45.000 Whoa.
01:11:46.000 Did they pick that up on Israeli comms or?
01:11:49.000 On our comms.
01:11:51.000 Well, I don't know.
01:11:52.000 It was probably Israeli.
01:11:54.000 I don't know, but it almost had to be.
01:11:58.000 Yeah, because I'm trying to, yeah.
01:12:00.000 But they were told, they instructed to not keep listening, right?
01:12:02.000 So he had to probably turn it off?
01:12:06.000 Well, I don't think he did, because he told Larry that there is a target, and it was very sensitive, but he didn't know what the target was, and it was us, man.
01:12:18.000 They were going to hit us.
01:12:22.000 Then the torpedo boats got there, and they hit the Star of David on them, and we thought they would come to help us.
01:12:29.000 Okay, so that's when you guys finally realized who was attacking you.
01:12:33.000 Right.
01:12:34.000 First we thought, oh God, our best friends are here, man.
01:12:37.000 The cavalry's coming.
01:12:38.000 To support us.
01:12:39.000 They didn't do that.
01:12:41.000 They fired the five torpedoes at us.
01:12:43.000 Like I say, one hit.
01:12:45.000 It picked the ship completely up out of the water.
01:12:48.000 Myron, and it took it up, slammed it back down, and we went to about a...
01:12:54.000 What does a torpedo sound like?
01:12:55.000 I'm really trying to have the audience envision being there. 0.99
01:12:58.000 I'm imagining here, you just suffered 25 minutes of being bombed to fucking hell by these jets. 0.99
01:13:04.000 You don't know who the hell they are. 0.99
01:13:06.000 Then you're pulling people out.
01:13:08.000 I'm assuming there's blood everywhere.
01:13:10.000 You're trying to administer aid.
01:13:11.000 Tourniquets everywhere.
01:13:13.000 Trying to help people.
01:13:14.000 And then you see these ships coming.
01:13:16.000 They have Stars of Davids on them.
01:13:17.000 And you're like, oh, thank God.
01:13:18.000 Our allies are here.
01:13:20.000 And then you hear a torpedo.
01:13:23.000 What does a torpedo sound like?
01:13:26.000 Oh my god, it sounded an explosion like you can't believe.
01:13:32.000 Do you hear it when it's fired or do you only hear it when it makes contact?
01:13:36.000 When it makes contact.
01:13:37.000 Gotcha, okay.
01:13:38.000 Because it flies through the water, so obviously silent.
01:13:40.000 Right.
01:13:40.000 So the first torpedo hits you.
01:13:42.000 Where were you and what do you remember?
01:13:45.000 I was one deck above where the torpedo hit.
01:13:49.000 Wow!
01:13:52.000 And when it hit, like I say, I thought we were going to roll over and sink.
01:13:56.000 Yeah.
01:13:57.000 Did you, like, get knocked on the floor when it hit the ship?
01:14:00.000 No, actually, I went into a torpedo launch attitude where you put your hands on the bulkhead wall and bend your knees to keep the shock from...
01:14:11.000 Okay, so you have to hold on to the wall and then you like crouch?
01:14:16.000 Bend your knees and then wait.
01:14:20.000 I mean, I didn't know if I was going to die or not.
01:14:22.000 I figured I was dead anyway.
01:14:23.000 And I'm assuming they train you to, that's how you brace for impact when it hits you.
01:14:27.000 Right.
01:14:28.000 Okay.
01:14:30.000 This whole thing is just happening.
01:14:31.000 What is the captain doing and saying to you guys?
01:14:36.000 Well, the captain, the 1MC wasn't working very well.
01:14:40.000 That's the communications, shipboard communications.
01:14:43.000 So I didn't know what was going on.
01:14:46.000 The captain wasn't giving orders.
01:14:49.000 I got my instruction orders from John Scott.
01:14:54.000 He was in the repair central.
01:15:00.000 It was verbal, you know.
01:15:02.000 Things would go, this is happening, this is happening.
01:15:06.000 And I might add that the airplanes dropped napalm on us.
01:15:13.000 Oh, napalm?
01:15:15.000 Napalm.
01:15:15.000 They napalmed us.
01:15:17.000 What's that?
01:15:19.000 It's jelly gasoline.
01:15:20.000 It burns you up and burns you up.
01:15:22.000 You can't even put it out.
01:15:26.000 That wasn't a war crime then.
01:15:30.000 But it's certainly a war crime now. 0.78
01:15:32.000 Yeah.
01:15:33.000 So it's like acid, basically.
01:15:35.000 Yeah, it's terrible.
01:15:36.000 It burns you. 0.99
01:15:37.000 Well, they wanted y'all dead. 1.00
01:15:38.000 Like, they wanted you guys dead. 0.99
01:15:40.000 Yeah, they wanted us all dead, no doubt. 0.94
01:15:42.000 I mean, for sure.
01:15:45.000 When the torpedo boats got done...
01:15:50.000 So when the first one hit, did you even feel it?
01:15:53.000 Because you said it was right above, it was like one deck below you where it got hit. 1.00
01:15:57.000 Did you get knocked on your ass or what happened? 1.00
01:15:59.000 No, I didn't. 1.00
01:16:00.000 Okay.
01:16:00.000 I didn't.
01:16:01.000 Because you were in that position.
01:16:02.000 Then the second torpedo hits.
01:16:04.000 No, just one torpedo out of five.
01:16:06.000 Oh, okay.
01:16:07.000 But they shot five, but only one hit.
01:16:08.000 Yeah.
01:16:09.000 And that's where it hit the spies below you.
01:16:12.000 Yes.
01:16:12.000 And blew them up.
01:16:12.000 Blew them up.
01:16:14.000 Do you think the ship would have been able to withstand another torpedo hit like that?
01:16:17.000 No, absolutely not.
01:16:19.000 You said that the ship rose up out of the water when it got hit?
01:16:22.000 Yeah.
01:16:24.000 This is an old World War II ship.
01:16:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
01:16:28.000 And then it broke the heel of the ship, too.
01:16:31.000 So the ship is badly damaged.
01:16:34.000 Approximately a 40 by 40 foot hole in it.
01:16:37.000 Wow.
01:16:39.000 So the torpedo boats...
01:16:43.000 Came up alongside of us with 50 caliber machine guns and shot everything that moved.
01:16:51.000 Now this attack lasts for an hour and a half with the torpedo boats.
01:16:57.000 So they shot five torpedoes and they're using machine guns to shoot at you guys?
01:17:00.000 Yes, absolutely.
01:17:02.000 Absolutely.
01:17:03.000 And finally the old man got communications and he says, prepare to abandon ship.
01:17:11.000 We had only three life rafts.
01:17:13.000 And he's saying this on a loudspeaker, I'm assuming, right?
01:17:16.000 When this is all happening, right?
01:17:19.000 Were you guys able to shoot back at them?
01:17:21.000 No.
01:17:22.000 We had nothing to shoot fire back with.
01:17:24.000 Even the gunners that you guys had?
01:17:26.000 Because I remember you said that you were fixing the phones that were near them.
01:17:28.000 No one was able to jump on those gunners and shoot back.
01:17:31.000 No.
01:17:32.000 The.50 calibers were taken out or burned up.
01:17:36.000 The ones on the...
01:17:39.000 Starboard and port side?
01:17:40.000 Yeah.
01:17:41.000 On midships, they were on fire, especially on the starboard side.
01:17:45.000 And they probably got blown up when the planes were hitting you guys.
01:17:49.000 Yeah, they were...
01:17:49.000 So by the time the ships came to torpedo you guys, you guys couldn't even defend yourselves anymore?
01:17:55.000 No.
01:17:55.000 We had no way to defend ourselves.
01:17:57.000 Wow.
01:17:58.000 How'd you even survive? 1.00
01:18:00.000 Holy shit. 1.00
01:18:00.000 By the grace of the good Lord. 1.00
01:18:03.000 Thank God.
01:18:04.000 Yeah.
01:18:05.000 So you guys get assaulted for two hours by Aaron C., You guys have absolutely no way to defend yourselves. 1.00
01:18:14.000 Not one shot was shot back at these fucking Israelis at all. 1.00
01:18:18.000 And they just kept going. 1.00
01:18:19.000 Kept going, kept going for two hours.
01:18:22.000 What made them stop?
01:18:24.000 Well, let me tell you about the lifeboats.
01:18:28.000 Okay.
01:18:29.000 We had three of them left.
01:18:32.000 We were going to put them in the water, which we did, to put our most seriously wounded in so they'd have a chance to live.
01:18:43.000 As soon as we put the lifeboats over, they shot two of them out of the water and took one aboard the boat as the trophy of the kill, which is a war crime. 0.77
01:18:57.000 So you have three.
01:18:58.000 They shot two out?
01:18:59.000 Two out of the water.
01:19:01.000 They wanted no survivors.
01:19:03.000 None.
01:19:04.000 And then the second one you said they took them?
01:19:08.000 Took them aboard the boat as the trophy of the kill.
01:19:10.000 I hear it's in Haifa, in a museum.
01:19:13.000 They took the boat, not the sailors.
01:19:16.000 The sailors were dead, I'm assuming.
01:19:17.000 No, we never did get any sailors in them because they immediately shot them up and then took the other one with them.
01:19:24.000 Okay, so the one that did have sailors in it, that made it to the water, they shot that one up, killed them all.
01:19:29.000 Wait, no, no, never to get sailors in there.
01:19:32.000 You want to chime in?
01:19:33.000 No.
01:19:34.000 Oh.
01:19:34.000 No, there was not any sailors in there.
01:19:37.000 We never had the chance to, because it was...
01:19:41.000 Okay, so no one even got in either ship, or sorry, either lifeboat.
01:19:44.000 No.
01:19:45.000 The moment they dropped them, they got shot up.
01:19:47.000 Yeah.
01:19:48.000 Yeah, the moment they got dropped them, they got shot up.
01:19:51.000 Okay, and they took one of them as a trophy? 1.00
01:19:53.000 Yeah, as a trophy to kill. 0.75
01:19:58.000 And then, did any sailors, you said sailors died when they were trying to get in?
01:20:02.000 To one of these life ships?
01:20:04.000 No.
01:20:05.000 Okay, alright.
01:20:06.000 We were going to bring our most seriously wounded up.
01:20:08.000 You were going to, okay.
01:20:10.000 But the men that were still on deck, including myself, they were shooting.
01:20:15.000 I went up to the bridge.
01:20:19.000 To fight fire.
01:20:22.000 And one of my dear friends I used to play poker with and go on the beach, drink beer, shoe pool, Francis Brown, he was the helmsman.
01:20:35.000 And I looked at him, and we didn't say a word to each other.
01:20:38.000 We just looked in each other's eyes.
01:20:42.000 And...
01:20:45.000 I went down to get more CO2. I came back and he was dead as a nail.
01:20:51.000 Just dead as a doornail.
01:20:52.000 Wow.
01:20:55.000 And he was your best friend?
01:20:57.000 Yeah.
01:20:59.000 Very good friend.
01:21:00.000 How was he killed?
01:21:00.000 Did they shoot him with the machine guns?
01:21:02.000 Yes.
01:21:04.000 So obviously it was probably a very graphic scene when you came back.
01:21:09.000 Because machine guns don't...
01:21:12.000 The whole thing was graphic everywhere.
01:21:14.000 There was blood everywhere, Myron.
01:21:17.000 Blood everywhere.
01:21:19.000 And body parts.
01:21:21.000 Yeah.
01:21:24.000 Yeah, because you said these were.50 cal machine guns, right?
01:21:26.000 .50 cal.
01:21:27.000 Yeah, so they're ripping the body apart.
01:21:29.000 When it was all said and done, there were over 5,000 armor-piercing bullets in the ship.
01:21:34.000 50 cals.
01:21:36.000 There were over 821 rocket and cannon holes on our ship.
01:21:44.000 Napalm burnings up, and we're listening to the side about 8 to 12 degrees to the starboard side.
01:21:49.000 I thought we were going to roll over.
01:21:52.000 Help never did come through us then, either.
01:21:55.000 Never.
01:21:56.000 So the only reason they stopped is because they felt as though they, I guess, killed enough of you guys.
01:22:01.000 Well, I think that the gig was up.
01:22:05.000 My opinion is, they said what was a mistake in identity.
01:22:10.000 They knew we got a message out.
01:22:13.000 And they fessed up too quick.
01:22:16.000 In fact, they sent, the attack wasn't over yet.
01:22:20.000 They sent troop-carrying helicopters with Marines in them.
01:22:26.000 To board our ship, they'd probably ladder or rope down to finish us off and kill the rest of the scuttler ship. 0.99
01:22:33.000 Whoa. 0.97
01:22:35.000 Yes, sir.
01:22:36.000 True story.
01:22:37.000 And they just left.
01:22:39.000 There was this guy on the skid, and I'll never forget it.
01:22:43.000 Marine with the automatic weapon.
01:22:49.000 And I looked at him, and he looked at me, and I gave him a finger, and he looked at me and just smiled.
01:22:56.000 And all of a sudden, they took off.
01:22:58.000 They forgot.
01:23:00.000 So wait, let me get this straight.
01:23:01.000 He let you live?
01:23:02.000 So, U.S. Marines.
01:23:04.000 No.
01:23:05.000 Oh.
01:23:06.000 IDF. Okay, IDF. Okay, they're equivalent of the Marines.
01:23:09.000 Right.
01:23:10.000 Okay, all right.
01:23:11.000 So they came in a helicopter later.
01:23:13.000 To finish it off.
01:23:14.000 To finish you guys off.
01:23:16.000 And why don't you think they did it?
01:23:21.000 I think, like I said, the gig was up.
01:23:23.000 They got some messages.
01:23:25.000 Leave them alone.
01:23:26.000 We'll figure it out.
01:23:27.000 And immediately, the cover-up began.
01:23:36.000 So you go to get some CO2 to fight the fire.
01:23:39.000 You come back and you see your friend.
01:23:42.000 He's on the floor.
01:23:44.000 Bloody.
01:23:44.000 Bloody all over the place.
01:23:46.000 Was he missing body parts at this point?
01:23:48.000 Like his head was gone?
01:23:50.000 No, he just got it right here.
01:23:52.000 He got shot in the back of the neck.
01:23:53.000 Yeah.
01:23:53.000 That was a kill shot.
01:23:55.000 Blood everywhere.
01:23:56.000 Yeah.
01:23:57.000 At that point, you said he was dead.
01:23:59.000 He wasn't even...
01:23:59.000 Yeah, he did know it hit him.
01:24:01.000 I mean, he couldn't have...
01:24:04.000 What went through your mind at that point seeing your best friend dead?
01:24:07.000 You literally just saw him like seconds before and then you went to go get the CO2 so you could put out the fire.
01:24:11.000 What was going through your mind when you walked back and you just saw him on the floor bleeding?
01:24:17.000 My emotions were...
01:24:20.000 My emotions were...
01:24:24.000 Let's just say I didn't have any at that moment.
01:24:30.000 All we had is our will and our wits to live.
01:24:36.000 Unfortunately, he didn't make it, but we all wanted to live and we all kept on fighting to save our lives.
01:24:48.000 The 6th Fleet was only 40 minutes away.
01:24:51.000 They never sent a plane or anything to come over and see if we were okay.
01:24:56.000 They didn't come help us for 17 hours.
01:24:59.000 It took them 17 hours and they could have sent an airplane or something over to escort us or to keep us safe.
01:25:06.000 They were hoping we would sink that night.
01:25:09.000 That's exactly what they were hoping.
01:25:11.000 How could this old World War ship with that kind of damage survive through the night without sinking?
01:25:19.000 It was almost impossible.
01:25:20.000 We shored up what we could.
01:25:22.000 We did what we could.
01:25:23.000 Plugged up holes, things like this.
01:25:25.000 And we waited until the next morning.
01:25:28.000 USS America got there and USS Davis.
01:25:31.000 Some of the crew of the Davis came over and helped to shore up the bulkheads.
01:25:36.000 They departed.
01:25:38.000 Maybe there was one or two that came into port with us.
01:25:44.000 Myron, they sent us.
01:25:46.000 Think about this.
01:25:48.000 A thousand miles away to Malta when the nearest port was Crete.
01:25:56.000 So they still wanted us to sink.
01:26:00.000 Yeah.
01:26:00.000 They wanted us dead, all of us.
01:26:02.000 Too many witnesses.
01:26:04.000 Too many witnesses, absolutely.
01:26:05.000 Why couldn't you go on the boats that helped you fill up the holes?
01:26:08.000 Why couldn't you go on those boats?
01:26:10.000 The ones that came to aid you.
01:26:13.000 Well, they did take the wounded off the most seriously.
01:26:17.000 And the people on the Davis come over to help us show up the bulkheads and do things like that.
01:26:24.000 But they got all the most seriously wounded off.
01:26:27.000 I was the walking wounded.
01:26:28.000 I stayed with the ship.
01:26:30.000 And so we were supposed to go to, like I said, Malta and Crete was closer.
01:26:40.000 But, you know, that was a thousand miles.
01:26:43.000 Yeah.
01:26:44.000 Going about four and a half, five knots.
01:26:46.000 That took forever, probably.
01:26:47.000 Do you know how many of you were still, like, alive when they came?
01:26:51.000 Yeah, there was, uh, out of a crew of 294.
01:26:57.000 There's everybody both spies.
01:26:59.000 And ship's company.
01:27:00.000 Yeah.
01:27:01.000 There was 34 killed initially, and 174 others wounded.
01:27:08.000 Some so seriously, you couldn't even hardly look at them.
01:27:12.000 That night, I helped in operations with Doc Evey.
01:27:17.000 We had one doctor aboard ship.
01:27:19.000 He was wounded in the abdomen and his knees.
01:27:22.000 He had a life jacket on.
01:27:27.000 To keep his guts in.
01:27:30.000 And I believe the old man said, hey, what do you got the life check on?
01:27:34.000 You're scaring everybody.
01:27:37.000 And he said, I have to, man.
01:27:39.000 My guts are falling out.
01:27:41.000 The first guy we operated on was Gary Blanchard.
01:27:47.000 And he was laying on the table.
01:27:50.000 The whole mess decks and sick bay and everything.
01:27:53.000 This is before the aid came, by the way.
01:27:55.000 Yes.
01:27:55.000 This is after the attacks were done.
01:27:57.000 And that night, we were trying to patch people up and save their lives.
01:28:01.000 Yeah.
01:28:01.000 I mean, the whole...
01:28:02.000 How many medics were on board at this point?
01:28:06.000 There were two corpsmen and one doctor, Dr.
01:28:11.000 Richard Kiefer.
01:28:11.000 One doctor and two medics?
01:28:13.000 Yes.
01:28:13.000 Okay.
01:28:15.000 And they told me to go up and help him, which I did.
01:28:18.000 I was holding a battle lantern, a big light, so he could operate on him.
01:28:21.000 Yeah.
01:28:23.000 And Gary said, my feet are hot, my feet are hot.
01:28:27.000 So I took his socks off and rubbed his feet.
01:28:31.000 I went over by his side and he looked at me and he says, you think I'm going to live?
01:28:35.000 And I said, no, I don't think you are, man.
01:28:39.000 You told him just like that?
01:28:40.000 You told him that to his face?
01:28:41.000 Yes.
01:28:42.000 Now you're a base, bro.
01:28:44.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:28:44.000 Damn! 1.00
01:28:45.000 The doc cut him open and he was dead. 1.00
01:28:50.000 He put a couple stitches in him, put him over the side, went on the next one.
01:28:54.000 This went on all night.
01:28:57.000 Passions and operations.
01:29:00.000 As I said, the whole mess was a sea of bodies, broken men, and blood.
01:29:07.000 On the decks, on the mess tables, everywhere.
01:29:10.000 What were your injuries?
01:29:12.000 I just had shrapnel.
01:29:13.000 Just had shrapnel?
01:29:14.000 Yeah.
01:29:14.000 I mean...
01:29:14.000 So you're bleeding a bit?
01:29:15.000 Yeah.
01:29:16.000 Okay.
01:29:16.000 I was fine.
01:29:17.000 Okay.
01:29:18.000 I was lucky.
01:29:19.000 How many guys were there like you that had minimal injuries?
01:29:24.000 Probably 50.
01:29:26.000 50 of you guys that were able-bodied and can help?
01:29:29.000 Oh, yeah.
01:29:29.000 Okay.
01:29:30.000 And then, like I say, the whole ship came together helping everybody.
01:29:35.000 CTs, everybody.
01:29:36.000 We were right there helping everybody on the mistakes, you know, trying to take care of them.
01:29:41.000 So, 50 that were pretty much good, able-bodied, and then how many were seriously injured, would you say?
01:29:47.000 20, 30?
01:29:49.000 Oh, I'd say more than that.
01:29:53.000 75, 80.
01:29:54.000 75, 80, seriously injured?
01:29:56.000 Mm-hmm.
01:29:56.000 And then how many were just, I guess, maybe a gunshot wound here that wasn't fatal?
01:30:03.000 Yeah, another 50 or 60.
01:30:05.000 Okay.
01:30:06.000 And then we know 34 were killed immediately.
01:30:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.
01:30:09.000 And that was probably from the torpedo hit, I'm assuming?
01:30:12.000 25 got the torpedo.
01:30:14.000 They were killed.
01:30:15.000 And then the other nine were killed on deck or on the bridge.
01:30:20.000 Okay.
01:30:20.000 A friend of mine, Mickey LeMay, he's still got 50 pieces of shrapnel in him right now.
01:30:28.000 Wow.
01:30:29.000 50 pieces.
01:30:30.000 What was the conversation like?
01:30:31.000 So...
01:30:33.000 The ships are gone.
01:30:34.000 The planes are gone.
01:30:35.000 At this point, you guys know who attacked you.
01:30:37.000 What was the conversation like?
01:30:39.000 What was the sentiment on the boat?
01:30:40.000 What was everyone saying?
01:30:43.000 We couldn't believe it.
01:30:45.000 I mean, why would our best friends attack us?
01:30:53.000 The most getting pissed off and pissed off came the next day, and a day after that, when Admiral Isaac Kidd boarded our ship.
01:31:04.000 Admiral who?
01:31:05.000 Isaac Kidd.
01:31:06.000 Okay, and he was on the other USS ship, right?
01:31:09.000 One of the warships when he came?
01:31:10.000 He was one, I don't know exactly what ship he was on, or if it was flown in right away or whatever.
01:31:16.000 And this is 17 hours later, right?
01:31:18.000 Yeah, well, it was two days after he got aboard our ship.
01:31:21.000 Okay, so it kind of had settled in.
01:31:25.000 Two days later, 48 hours later, after you guys had been attacked, he comes on.
01:31:29.000 What did he tell you guys when he boarded the ship?
01:31:32.000 Well, he got us in small groups, and he told people, just tell them what happened.
01:31:40.000 Okay, he said, tell them what happened, the truth.
01:31:42.000 Yeah, the truth, and we thought that was a good thing.
01:31:45.000 When he said tell them, who did he mean specifically them?
01:31:47.000 Well, tell me and the JAG officer what happened.
01:31:52.000 And they were taking notes and all this stuff.
01:31:55.000 Was it NCIS that came?
01:31:57.000 Naval Criminal Investigation Service?
01:31:59.000 Yes.
01:32:00.000 Well, JAG, he was a JAG officer.
01:32:02.000 Okay.
01:32:02.000 But he wasn't a NSA, whatever they call him.
01:32:07.000 Okay, NCIS, okay.
01:32:08.000 Yeah.
01:32:09.000 And I was in sickbay with four or five other guys.
01:32:16.000 That's where we were supposed to go.
01:32:18.000 That's where he was talking to us at.
01:32:20.000 He took off his stars, threw them on the stainless steel table.
01:32:24.000 It rained like a bell, and I've said this before.
01:32:27.000 We told him all what we thought.
01:32:30.000 Why didn't you help us and all this stuff?
01:32:32.000 He got to me, and I told him the same thing.
01:32:34.000 I said, Admiral, why did—because he's our dad now.
01:32:38.000 We trust him, you know.
01:32:41.000 And when I got done telling him, why didn't help come?
01:32:45.000 Why would Israel do this? 0.98
01:32:48.000 Several other pointed questions that I don't think he liked.
01:32:51.000 And I really found out he didn't like them when he put his stars back.
01:32:56.000 And he says, I'm not your dad anymore.
01:32:58.000 Now I'm an admiral.
01:33:01.000 And he looked at me and he got beet red, Myron.
01:33:06.000 He says, If you ever repeat what you just told me, I'll make sure you end up in prison or worse.
01:33:13.000 And everybody knew what worse meant.
01:33:18.000 When he told you this, was there anyone else in the room?
01:33:20.000 It was just you?
01:33:21.000 Yes.
01:33:21.000 Okay.
01:33:21.000 A couple other sailors, right?
01:33:23.000 Five more.
01:33:23.000 Five more.
01:33:24.000 And you ask these questions, viable questions.
01:33:28.000 Why did Israel attack us?
01:33:29.000 Why didn't hell come?
01:33:31.000 Why did it take you so long?
01:33:33.000 And he said, if you ever repeat these questions, you'll be put in prison or worse.
01:33:37.000 Worse.
01:33:37.000 And you never talk about it, even with your shipmates.
01:33:43.000 They spread the whole crew all over the world.
01:33:48.000 So we couldn't talk to each other.
01:33:51.000 So everyone that was on the USS Liberty that day, they pretty much got assignments completely spread apart.
01:33:55.000 Yes.
01:33:55.000 They separated us all.
01:33:57.000 Now, when you guys had this conversation, this is two days later, was this on land?
01:34:02.000 At sea.
01:34:03.000 It was at sea.
01:34:04.000 So he actually came out to the Liberty?
01:34:06.000 Yes.
01:34:09.000 So they didn't come to ask for care.
01:34:12.000 They came to ask to see what you knew, to figure out where you were at.
01:34:16.000 Yeah.
01:34:16.000 And then they told us to shut up.
01:34:19.000 Were you the only person that, like, spoke up and said, hey, why the fuck did Israel do this? 0.99
01:34:23.000 No, there was others. 0.92
01:34:25.000 Others too?
01:34:25.000 Okay.
01:34:25.000 But our testimony was redacted from the Board of Inquiry.
01:34:30.000 They didn't have it in there.
01:34:32.000 They censored it.
01:34:33.000 When did you guys have this board?
01:34:35.000 It started two days after, and it lasted seven days.
01:34:39.000 The Board of Inquiry should have lasted at least six months to a year.
01:34:44.000 Yeah.
01:34:44.000 They didn't take our word.
01:34:46.000 They took Israelis' words over our words. 0.99
01:34:49.000 They took the people that murdered us and murdered us all over our word.
01:34:56.000 They said it was mistaken identity, and that's what they went with.
01:35:00.000 So Admiral John S. McCain Jr., he was the commander of European Forces Europe, ordered Isaac Kidd and Ward, Boston, to find it was a mistaken identity.
01:35:18.000 And those orders came from LBJ. Mistaken identity.
01:35:23.000 And that's what the Board of Inquiry said.
01:35:25.000 Okay.
01:35:26.000 It was a mistaken identity, and that's what they're still saying now.
01:35:30.000 The Congress says there's been many official investigations about the USSR. There's never been one, not one.
01:35:38.000 They're all liars. 1.00
01:35:40.000 They're protecting the murderers that tried to kill us all. 0.50
01:35:45.000 So you've only been questioned about this event one time in your life, and it was back then with the Admiral, right?
01:35:51.000 Right.
01:35:52.000 Right.
01:35:52.000 You've never had a criminal investigator or spoken maybe at a hearing or anything else like that under oath.
01:35:59.000 The only time you've ever been questioned about this was back in 1967 by the admiral.
01:36:05.000 You told him exactly what you thought and he told you if you ever repeat this, you will go to prison or worse.
01:36:10.000 Absolutely.
01:36:11.000 Absolutely. 0.99
01:36:12.000 And fucking credible. 0.99
01:36:13.000 I know. 0.99
01:36:15.000 It's still hard to take.
01:36:17.000 But we had, you know, like...
01:36:21.000 We did have some congressmen. 0.74
01:36:22.000 Pete McCluskey out of California, Paul Finley of Illinois, and of course Jim Traficant out of Ohio.
01:36:35.000 And Cynthia McKinney tried to help us too, but they run her out of Congress. 0.99
01:36:39.000 Yeah.
01:36:40.000 So, there was a very few people that wanted to help us.
01:36:45.000 In fact, nobody wants to help us in the Congress.
01:36:48.000 They all got APAC handlers.
01:36:51.000 Yep.
01:36:51.000 And, you know, Tom Massey revealed that here, what, about a month ago?
01:36:56.000 Yeah, on Tucker Carlson.
01:36:57.000 Yep.
01:36:58.000 They all got APAC handlers.
01:37:00.000 So, I guess they tell them exactly what to do and what the foreign policy is and whatever they want.
01:37:06.000 That's incredible to me that you've only been questioned about this once, officially.
01:37:10.000 Officially, absolutely.
01:37:11.000 Two days after the fact, and they told you you would go to prison if you talked about it again.
01:37:16.000 Did they make you guys sign any nondisclosures or any other forms like that, or no?
01:37:23.000 Yes.
01:37:24.000 They did?
01:37:24.000 Yeah.
01:37:27.000 A lot of the most seriously wounded got maybe $80,000, $90,000, which they well deserved for all their injuries.
01:37:38.000 Of course.
01:37:38.000 I personally got $200.
01:37:43.000 What?
01:37:44.000 Yeah, $200.
01:37:45.000 And that was for damage from my clothes, they said.
01:37:49.000 But most of the crew got less than $200 or $300.
01:37:55.000 The ship was worth $40 million.
01:37:57.000 Yeah.
01:37:59.000 And Israel settled for $6 million for a $40 million ship to pay the most seriously wounded and the dead, the men that were killed.
01:38:11.000 And the U.S. government came out of the U.S. Treasury.
01:38:16.000 Our government paid it, not Israel. 0.74
01:38:19.000 Wow.
01:38:20.000 Yeah.
01:38:21.000 That's how convoluted it is.
01:38:24.000 And talking about Congress, it's been that way ever since 1967.
01:38:32.000 They've never investigated it then.
01:38:33.000 They're not investigating it now.
01:38:35.000 From every president, from LBJ to Biden, they want nothing to do with us.
01:38:41.000 Because we can prove that our own government colluded with the Zionist state to sink our unarmed ship, the finest spy ship in the world, blame it on the Arab states, and start a nuclear war. 0.89
01:38:56.000 There were SAC aircraft in the air even before they fired on us.
01:39:02.000 They were headed to Egypt.
01:39:05.000 And they were called back at the last second.
01:39:08.000 There were submarines under us.
01:39:11.000 USS Jackson and the Amberjack.
01:39:15.000 These were nuclear subs. 0.56
01:39:18.000 At least Jackson was.
01:39:22.000 There were Russian subs there, ready to launch on Israel the Temple Mount.
01:39:29.000 They needed something reflected to hit it.
01:39:32.000 And that's how close we came.
01:39:36.000 How many lives we saved by not sinking is incongruable.
01:39:39.000 Probably millions of lives.
01:39:42.000 If we sink like they want it and blame it on a foreign country, it was a land grab, just like they're getting right now. 0.67
01:39:50.000 So the goal of that attack was to blame it on the Arabs, kill all the witnesses, and say it was Egypt that attacked the United States. 0.65
01:39:59.000 Absolutely. 0.77
01:39:59.000 And our government was in on it, and Israel was in on it, and they're still in on it. 0.77
01:40:06.000 Because that's why they don't want the truth told.
01:40:09.000 They're just waiting for us to die out.
01:40:11.000 And guys like John, he's here to carry on when we're all dead and gone.
01:40:16.000 You know, my son, Bryce, he's going to get involved.
01:40:20.000 We've got some good people.
01:40:22.000 But we need people like you to spread the word.
01:40:26.000 I mean, I tell you what, man.
01:40:28.000 It's my honor to be here.
01:40:30.000 God bless you.
01:40:31.000 No, it's my honor to host this podcast and speak to you as a survivor and thank you for your service and this is absolutely fucking atrocious that this happened And most Americans don't know about it.
01:40:42.000 They don't.
01:40:43.000 This is like hidden history.
01:40:45.000 You know, I wasn't kidding around when I named the title of the show, The Most Censored Event in U.S. History, and I truly do think so, because they don't want you to know this, right?
01:40:53.000 We know who runs the government.
01:40:55.000 We know who runs, obviously, Congress.
01:40:57.000 And the fact that Lyndon B. Johnson said, just let these sailors die, who cares?
01:41:03.000 It's crazy to me.
01:41:04.000 Yeah, it is crazy.
01:41:06.000 To sacrifice Americans doing their duty on the high seas for a false flag to get us into war.
01:41:15.000 And the thing that kills me is that you guys were out there to help Israel.
01:41:18.000 You guys were there to collect information and intelligence from the Arabs to assist Israel.
01:41:25.000 And they did that to you?
01:41:26.000 Yeah, well, true and not true.
01:41:30.000 I think this attack was planned probably a year in advance or more.
01:41:34.000 But I'm saying you guys were out there to help them, is what I'm saying. 0.98
01:41:36.000 You guys were out there to help them, and they repaid you by trying to kill you. 1.00
01:41:39.000 Yeah, to kill us all. 1.00
01:41:41.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:41:41.000 To kill us all. 1.00
01:41:42.000 But what they did, this just wasn't a spur-of-the-moment deal. 1.00
01:41:47.000 It was planned way in advance.
01:41:48.000 Way in advance.
01:41:51.000 Well, there's a reason why they didn't want to give you the warship escort, right?
01:41:54.000 Right, absolutely.
01:41:57.000 One of the intel guys was on the ship.
01:41:59.000 Like, do you think, like, maybe someone...
01:42:02.000 Because you said the captain, he was there on a ship with you guys, and you asked for a warship escort, and he denied it.
01:42:09.000 Why would he do that if he's putting his own life in danger if he's on the ship?
01:42:12.000 No, he didn't deny it.
01:42:15.000 Someone above him?
01:42:16.000 Yeah.
01:42:16.000 Okay, because he asked for it.
01:42:17.000 Yeah.
01:42:18.000 Okay.
01:42:18.000 And so did Dave Lewis.
01:42:19.000 He was the chief spy aboard the ship.
01:42:22.000 Gotcha.
01:42:22.000 So you're...
01:42:24.000 The top of the brass on the ship requested it, and they denied them.
01:42:28.000 They denied it all.
01:42:29.000 Did Dave Lewis survive?
01:42:31.000 Yes, he did.
01:42:35.000 When the torpedo hit, he was in the spaces where the CTs were.
01:42:42.000 And he took the blast face on.
01:42:46.000 And it burned his eyes.
01:42:48.000 He couldn't even open up his eyelids.
01:42:51.000 Burned his face.
01:42:52.000 He had like, he said, 30 years of pain on him.
01:42:59.000 And he went aboard a ship.
01:43:03.000 And Admiral Geis...
01:43:05.000 I told him, hey man, this is what happened.
01:43:09.000 And Admiral Geist swarmed his secrecy until Admiral Geist died.
01:43:16.000 And then David was a very honorable, great man.
01:43:19.000 He retired as a commander.
01:43:21.000 And then he opened up and said, you know, this is the deal.
01:43:24.000 He kept his word.
01:43:28.000 We all know what happened.
01:43:29.000 We all know why it happened.
01:43:31.000 And we just...
01:43:33.000 Hey, you talk about Fox News or Newsmax.
01:43:37.000 Hey, listen.
01:43:37.000 Okay, you got Newsmax.
01:43:39.000 You got Carl Higby, Greg Kelly.
01:43:42.000 These guys are old military guys.
01:43:45.000 They won't touch us.
01:43:46.000 You know, when they attacked us, they attacked all of us.
01:43:50.000 They attacked every serviceman in that area.
01:43:53.000 It's an act of war.
01:43:54.000 Oh, absolutely.
01:43:55.000 And Captain Tully, when he was at one of our reunions, he was crying, saying, man, I tried to help you guys, I just couldn't.
01:44:05.000 That's how it affected him.
01:44:07.000 And then they took his command away for him even before he got back to port.
01:44:12.000 That was in 67, because he sent aircraft to us.
01:44:16.000 But it got turned back.
01:44:17.000 It got turned back and they relieved him.
01:44:22.000 Because he didn't want to take orders from, you said Nakamura?
01:44:27.000 McNamara.
01:44:27.000 McNamara, who was the Secretary of Defense at the time.
01:44:30.000 Is that him?
01:44:31.000 Yeah.
01:44:32.000 There he is.
01:44:33.000 That's Dave Lewis.
01:44:34.000 Right after the attack.
01:44:36.000 Right after the attack.
01:44:37.000 Yeah, his eyes were sure shut.
01:44:39.000 They had to cut his eyelids open so he could see.
01:44:45.000 You know, people always think that false flags and our allies attacking us is something that's unfathomable, but it actually, like, the USS Liberty, when you really look at it, right, it was a false flag attempt to get us to blame the Arabs, right?
01:44:59.000 Yes, sir.
01:45:00.000 Luckily, we had some witnesses that are alive to tell the story like you're telling now.
01:45:05.000 I mean, what's to stop them with JFK or 9-11?
01:45:09.000 Nothing.
01:45:10.000 Right?
01:45:10.000 It's like 9-11, people get, if I mention, hey, yeah, Israel was involved in 9-11, oh, that's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
01:45:18.000 Well, is it really?
01:45:19.000 We know that they attacked us, like, 100% confirmed in 67, killed our servicemen. 0.99
01:45:25.000 You don't think they're going to blow up a fucking building with innocent people, too? 1.00
01:45:30.000 And blame it on some dude in a fucking cave? 0.99
01:45:32.000 If you look at it from a historical standpoint, I mean, back then, they literally took out the Son of God. 0.99
01:45:42.000 So what are they gonna do to us?
01:45:44.000 They don't care.
01:45:46.000 We're pawns in this game. 0.86
01:45:47.000 They killed Jesus.
01:45:48.000 And I feel like the service members that work to protect the country are pawns to their desires because they're making plans, informing the people that are working hard to protect the country what's happening and saying, go over here,
01:46:04.000 go do this.
01:46:04.000 But what's the main goal?
01:46:06.000 They don't know, but the higher-ups know.
01:46:10.000 That's messed up.
01:46:11.000 So, mainstream media won't touch you guys.
01:46:13.000 We know who runs mainstream media.
01:46:14.000 Yeah.
01:46:16.000 What has, I guess, been some of the, like, because I'm sure they've done everything in their power to silence you and censor you.
01:46:23.000 Have you gotten, like, death threats for coming out with the story?
01:46:26.000 Have you been harassed?
01:46:27.000 Have you been, you know, what has happened, I guess, post when you try to tell the story?
01:46:33.000 Yes, I've been harassed and death threats and my wife and I were In San Diego, at the bar, getting a drink, waiting to get a table, have dinner.
01:46:46.000 This guy come up beside me and sat down right next to me.
01:46:53.000 He says, yo, you were on the USS Liberty, huh?
01:46:55.000 And I said, yeah, I was.
01:46:57.000 How'd you know that?
01:46:59.000 And he had a big watch on, and he put it right up my face.
01:47:03.000 I said, what are you doing?
01:47:04.000 Is that a camera?
01:47:05.000 What are you doing?
01:47:06.000 What's this all about?
01:47:07.000 I didn't know what the hell it was.
01:47:08.000 I pushed it out of the way.
01:47:09.000 Yeah, what year was this?
01:47:11.000 Oh, this is...
01:47:12.000 Well, actually, it was back probably 14 years ago.
01:47:16.000 I thought it was earlier than that, but it was about 14 years ago.
01:47:18.000 Okay, so, alright.
01:47:20.000 It's like 2005 or something?
01:47:22.000 Yeah, in that area.
01:47:24.000 Mid-2000s.
01:47:26.000 He said, if you know what's good for you, you're going to shut your mouth.
01:47:29.000 Or 2010, actually.
01:47:30.000 Yeah.
01:47:31.000 And my wife was there, Lisa.
01:47:34.000 So he tells you, if you know what's good for you, shut your mouth?
01:47:36.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:47:36.000 My wife went nuts on him. 0.99
01:47:38.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:47:39.000 I mean, she was more pissed off than I was. 1.00
01:47:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:47:43.000 What a fucking weirdo. 1.00
01:47:44.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:47:45.000 Was he a Jewish guy?
01:47:46.000 Well, he said he was Mossad.
01:47:48.000 Oh, come on. 0.87
01:47:50.000 If he was or not, the message was clear anyway.
01:47:54.000 They had security to take us up to our room.
01:47:57.000 That's how bad it got.
01:47:59.000 The next day I went down and talked to the bar manager.
01:48:01.000 I said, do you know this guy?
01:48:03.000 Well, he's been coming in here a couple days saying he was a doctor.
01:48:06.000 So he was checking it out before I got there.
01:48:10.000 They must have got my credit card or whatever.
01:48:14.000 Or maybe somebody in the hotel told me I was going to stay there.
01:48:17.000 Who knows?
01:48:20.000 I want to put it past, you know, the Mossad, man.
01:48:23.000 I mean, look, I mean, we know for a fact when 9-11 happened, those dancing Israelis that they talk about, those guys were Israeli intel.
01:48:31.000 Yeah.
01:48:31.000 Watching the event happen, taking pictures and documenting it and dancing and celebrating and, you know, and then they passed, they failed polygraph tests and two of them had ties to the Israeli agency, so...
01:48:42.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't put anything past Israel anymore.
01:48:46.000 I really don't.
01:48:47.000 No.
01:48:49.000 They stole secrets from us.
01:48:50.000 They attacked our service members.
01:48:52.000 Jonathan Pollard, look at that guy.
01:48:53.000 He was treated as an Israeli hero when he got back to Israel.
01:49:01.000 He was met at the tarmac by Netanyahu.
01:49:04.000 I didn't know that.
01:49:06.000 Thank you.
01:49:06.000 Yeah, he got in a jet.
01:49:08.000 Sheldon Adelson's plane, which is one of the biggest mega-donors.
01:49:12.000 He's dead now, but Miriam Adelson is giving Trump $100 million.
01:49:15.000 She's the biggest Republican donor.
01:49:17.000 You know, obviously he's INS Jew. 0.98
01:49:20.000 He gets on a plane, Pollard, with Sheldon Adelson, gets to Israel.
01:49:24.000 He's great at the tarmac by Netanyahu.
01:49:27.000 And he had a very comfortable life.
01:49:29.000 Yeah, and he's in Israel now, to this day.
01:49:31.000 One of the worst spies in American history.
01:49:34.000 Sold our secrets to the Russians. 0.98
01:49:36.000 Yes, he did.
01:49:37.000 Yes, he did.
01:49:37.000 I mean, that's incongruable, but they do it.
01:49:40.000 I mean, it's all against this country.
01:49:42.000 What's so bad about this country?
01:49:44.000 Well, we're bought and paid for by the Zionist state. 0.76
01:49:46.000 Yeah.
01:49:47.000 And I believe that wholeheartedly, and I don't care who knows it.
01:49:50.000 We are.
01:49:51.000 We are.
01:49:52.000 I mean, the fact that we haven't... 0.98
01:49:55.000 You know, if any other country had done that to the USS Liberty, they would have got nuked into fucking oblivion. 0.98
01:50:01.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98
01:50:02.000 This is the only...
01:50:03.000 Look at Pearl Harbor.
01:50:04.000 Something similar.
01:50:05.000 Attacked our ships.
01:50:07.000 Absolutely. 0.99
01:50:07.000 And they fucking blew Nagasaki and Hiroshima up with nuclear bombs. 0.99
01:50:13.000 This is the only time in American history, and especially naval history, That a ship has been attacked by a foreign government, and our government didn't retaliate. 0.98
01:50:26.000 Nothing.
01:50:27.000 Nothing.
01:50:28.000 It's the only time.
01:50:30.000 Do you think if Kennedy was in office, he would have let that slide?
01:50:33.000 If Kennedy was in office, we'd never had Dimona.
01:50:37.000 Boom.
01:50:39.000 Yep.
01:50:40.000 He didn't want that.
01:50:41.000 Yeah.
01:50:42.000 And all of a sudden, he gets assassinated.
01:50:46.000 Do you think anyone can...
01:50:50.000 Fix this issue?
01:50:53.000 Yeah, I do.
01:50:54.000 I think the American people can.
01:50:56.000 With shows like this, with patriots like you guys, hell yeah, we can fix it.
01:51:01.000 We can fight back like hell and let everybody know.
01:51:04.000 But hey, this is our country.
01:51:06.000 We belong here.
01:51:08.000 We were born here.
01:51:10.000 We love this country.
01:51:12.000 I love this country, but I don't love what's going on with it.
01:51:15.000 And I haven't for 57 years.
01:51:19.000 I didn't even talk about it to my wife for 18 years.
01:51:22.000 I just forgot it was old.
01:51:23.000 I forgot even the date it happened.
01:51:25.000 Wow.
01:51:26.000 You tried to just bury it in your memory.
01:51:27.000 It was gone.
01:51:28.000 It was just gone.
01:51:32.000 You know, listening to the story, I have vivid images in my head like I can imagine.
01:51:37.000 I can barely even imagine what went down, seeing your shipmates decimated, body parts all over the place, arms, legs, torsos, blood everywhere.
01:51:47.000 Your best friend shot in the back of the neck bleeding everywhere.
01:51:51.000 I can't even imagine it.
01:51:53.000 Like, how did you...
01:51:55.000 When did you get out of the military?
01:51:56.000 I got out on December the 12th, 1967.
01:52:01.000 Okay.
01:52:02.000 It was about three months shy of four years.
01:52:05.000 Okay.
01:52:05.000 So literally a couple months after the attack, you were out.
01:52:09.000 December the 12th, I was out.
01:52:10.000 How did you...
01:52:11.000 I mean, this is something that...
01:52:16.000 Is unfathomable.
01:52:17.000 No one experiences it.
01:52:18.000 How did you cope?
01:52:19.000 How did you make it through?
01:52:20.000 Were you able to acclimate back into civilian life?
01:52:23.000 How long did it take you?
01:52:25.000 It took me a while.
01:52:26.000 I was on a death spiral.
01:52:31.000 I was drinking a lot.
01:52:34.000 I wasn't a druggie or nothing like that, but I was drinking too much.
01:52:39.000 As soon as you got out?
01:52:40.000 Yeah, I got a DUI and all that stuff.
01:52:47.000 And I was just, I had no ambition. 1.00
01:52:50.000 I felt like a piece of shit. 1.00
01:52:53.000 My own government thought I was a piece of shit. 1.00
01:52:57.000 Did you choose to not go back in because of the obvious incident with the USS Liberty? 1.00
01:53:03.000 Well, I did go back in.
01:53:04.000 You did go back in, okay.
01:53:05.000 Yeah, because I was married and I had a baby and I didn't have a good job.
01:53:10.000 Gotcha, okay.
01:53:11.000 So I went back in.
01:53:12.000 That's when I got aboard USS Maddox, DD-731.
01:53:17.000 And I stayed there for a few years and got out and I was done.
01:53:21.000 And that's when I talked to the guys about the Maddox.
01:53:23.000 They said, that didn't happen, Phil.
01:53:25.000 That never happened.
01:53:28.000 It was never attacked.
01:53:31.000 They said the U.S.'s liberty was never attacked?
01:53:32.000 No, the Maddox.
01:53:33.000 Oh, okay.
01:53:34.000 That's what started in the Tonkin Gulf.
01:53:36.000 Oh, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
01:53:37.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:53:38.000 Yeah.
01:53:38.000 With Vietnam.
01:53:39.000 Another false flag.
01:53:40.000 Yep.
01:53:41.000 To get...
01:53:41.000 Well, Johnson and Water's War.
01:53:44.000 Like Johnson said, when Kennedy died to his buddies in Israel, you may have lost a friend, Kennedy, but I'm a better friend.
01:53:56.000 And he was.
01:53:57.000 You definitely was.
01:53:59.000 Definitely was.
01:54:00.000 Carved up the liberty, suspended inspections of...
01:54:03.000 Demona.
01:54:05.000 Demona.
01:54:06.000 Didn't make them register an affair.
01:54:10.000 Well, yeah.
01:54:10.000 AIPAC is a...
01:54:12.000 Monster now.
01:54:13.000 Yeah.
01:54:13.000 Thanks to Linda B. Johnson.
01:54:14.000 Yeah.
01:54:15.000 And the ADL is the arm of the Zionist government.
01:54:19.000 I mean, come on.
01:54:20.000 Have they ever tried to harass you?
01:54:22.000 ADL? Well, I've had phones.
01:54:25.000 I've had threats on the internet.
01:54:30.000 But those are people that...
01:54:33.000 They want you to shut up.
01:54:35.000 And they try to intimidate you.
01:54:38.000 As we were talking earlier, you don't take away your livelihood, your credibility, who you are.
01:54:43.000 You know, the USS Liberty Survivors are some of the most bravest, honest, gallant crew I had the honor to serve with.
01:54:55.000 Every one of these men are American heroes.
01:55:00.000 And us speaking out now for the USS Liberty, like I said, we're a small group, and I know you're going to put up the website.
01:55:08.000 Yeah, let's pull it up real quick, real fast, if you guys want to support, because we need justice for these guys, man. 0.96
01:55:15.000 This is fucking pissing me off listening to this story that we haven't done anything to these dickheads that attacked us. 0.69
01:55:21.000 And here's the website right here, guys. 0.98
01:55:24.000 It's ussliberty.org, right?
01:55:25.000 Yes.
01:55:26.000 Yeah.
01:55:27.000 Help us bring the true story of the attack on the U.S.'s liberty to the American people, June 8, 1967.
01:55:32.000 You guys can see here, that is the ship after the attack.
01:55:35.000 Oh my God.
01:55:36.000 Look at that. 1.00
01:55:37.000 Fucking what? 0.99
01:55:38.000 Now that helicopter, that came off the U.S.'s America, taken and wounded off. 1.00
01:55:46.000 And look at that ship, how beat up it is.
01:55:48.000 Yeah.
01:55:49.000 It's bad.
01:55:50.000 The fact that anyone can, and you can see it leaning in the water, too.
01:55:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:55:53.000 Like, the fact that anyone was even able to survive is a miracle, man.
01:55:58.000 It is.
01:55:58.000 Two-hour assault.
01:56:00.000 It is a miracle.
01:56:01.000 Hey, where can you go?
01:56:02.000 There's nowhere to hide, there's nowhere to run.
01:56:04.000 Yeah, yeah, look, it's an open ship.
01:56:06.000 It's like, what the hell, man?
01:56:07.000 Yeah, it was completely unreal.
01:56:14.000 Yeah.
01:56:15.000 And people can donate here to the cause, guys.
01:56:19.000 Obviously, they're pursuing justice.
01:56:22.000 Can you guys tell us a little bit about what the goal is here?
01:56:26.000 Obviously, bringing awareness is very important, right?
01:56:28.000 That's where we step in.
01:56:29.000 But what is the goal with the website and bringing awareness? 0.98
01:56:35.000 The goal is to make sure those 34 American heroes did not die in vain because they've been treated like shit for the last 57 years. 0.97
01:56:45.000 In the mass grave, I think you've showed that or have you yet? 0.99
01:56:50.000 No, we haven't.
01:56:50.000 We could show right now the grave.
01:56:53.000 Yeah.
01:56:57.000 I think it's the next one.
01:56:59.000 Yeah, that's the...
01:57:00.000 Oh, is it?
01:57:01.000 No.
01:57:01.000 Oh, is that one?
01:57:02.000 Yeah, that's...
01:57:02.000 Okay, go back.
01:57:03.000 I'm sorry.
01:57:03.000 No, no, no.
01:57:04.000 That's the mass grave.
01:57:05.000 Okay, yeah, this is the mass grave.
01:57:06.000 And you guys can see there the 34 roses for those that died on that day.
01:57:11.000 And, John, can you tell them a little bit about what it said prior?
01:57:14.000 Which that was really...
01:57:15.000 Okay, can you tell...
01:57:16.000 Yeah.
01:57:17.000 Well, it said died in the eastern Mediterranean.
01:57:22.000 And like Admiral Moore said, died.
01:57:25.000 They were killed.
01:57:26.000 It's like they got in a car wreck or something.
01:57:30.000 You can see on the bottom there, Myron, you see how it's kind of darker down there?
01:57:36.000 Yeah.
01:57:37.000 They've rubbed all that off and killed aboard USS Liberty.
01:57:41.000 But it doesn't say by who.
01:57:43.000 It doesn't say by who.
01:57:45.000 And all the wards we've got, the USS Liberty is the most decorated ship in naval history.
01:57:52.000 Medal of Honor, Navy Crosses, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars with a V, 208 Purple Hearts, Combat Action Ribbon, Presidential Unit Citation.
01:58:06.000 So yeah, and they're hiding that.
01:58:09.000 In fact, the Medal of Honor was given to our captain at the Navy Yard.
01:58:14.000 In Little Creek.
01:58:16.000 Usually it's given by the president.
01:58:18.000 It wasn't.
01:58:19.000 It was given in a secure location.
01:58:22.000 They don't want anybody to know.
01:58:23.000 No, no news about it.
01:58:25.000 Yeah, no news.
01:58:26.000 Give them the medal with no media.
01:58:30.000 No nothing.
01:58:31.000 Because they don't want to ask questions about, oh, well, what happened on this day?
01:58:34.000 Absolutely. 1.00
01:58:35.000 And fuck incredible, man. 1.00
01:58:36.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:58:39.000 And then they try to say they don't control the media.
01:58:41.000 It's anti-Semitic to say they control the media.
01:58:44.000 Yeah, it's anti-Semitic.
01:58:45.000 Hey, listen, I'll tell you what. 1.00
01:58:47.000 Fucking bullshit. 1.00
01:58:47.000 Call me anti-Semitic. 1.00
01:58:49.000 We've been called anti-Semitic Jew-haters and Nazis for telling the truth. 1.00
01:58:54.000 Of course.
01:58:56.000 And if you bring that other picture, please, of the monument.
01:58:59.000 You know what I say when they try to say I'm anti-Semitic?
01:59:00.000 I'm like, but am I a liar?
01:59:02.000 Yes, and you're not a liar. 1.00
01:59:03.000 Fuck you guys. 1.00
01:59:05.000 This monument here was made in my hometown, Cedar Ridge, Colorado. 1.00
01:59:12.000 That rocket hole is a real rocket hole.
01:59:16.000 From the ship?
01:59:17.000 Yes.
01:59:18.000 Oh, wow.
01:59:20.000 You see the medals down below.
01:59:23.000 Interesting story.
01:59:24.000 We tried to get this monument in a place of great honor, like the Naval Museum, and they didn't want it.
01:59:34.000 We tried to get it at the Naval Museum.
01:59:37.000 Is it Annapolis?
01:59:39.000 No, the Naval Museum is in Little Creek or Norfolk.
01:59:45.000 Okay.
01:59:46.000 And they have a museum of all kinds of different artifacts.
01:59:49.000 But they didn't want it.
01:59:51.000 The National Security Agency didn't want it.
01:59:54.000 The Cold War Museum didn't want it.
01:59:57.000 But Terry Haldebarty, or excuse me, Terry McFarlane, He wouldn't give up.
02:00:02.000 He found a place for it.
02:00:04.000 Right close to where John lives, post 4809 VFW post, they voted and they took it 100%.
02:00:12.000 So it's other veterans helping other veterans.
02:00:15.000 Yeah.
02:00:16.000 So we need all the veterans out here to help us.
02:00:19.000 That's crazy that the museums don't want it in there, and that's obviously by design as well.
02:00:23.000 Oh, absolutely.
02:00:24.000 They don't want people to know.
02:00:26.000 And that's a $150,000 monument right there.
02:00:29.000 Wow.
02:00:30.000 Here on the back, it's got more of the attack, but it shows, you know, pretty much what's going on in the airplanes and everything and the two carriers and SOS. Don, you want to chime in?
02:00:42.000 Yeah.
02:00:42.000 So I want to mention something about that rocket hole.
02:00:46.000 Mm-hmm.
02:00:47.000 When they, when Phil and them, and this story Phil has told me, when Phil got to Malta and they were doing the repairs, Phil discovered that they were trying to cover it up.
02:01:02.000 What they were doing before they sold it is they were...
02:01:06.000 They were repairing the ship, so when they got back to Little Creek...
02:01:09.000 That's why they wanted you guys to go all the way over there.
02:01:11.000 Yes.
02:01:11.000 Well, they wanted them to sink.
02:01:13.000 Instead of going into Crete, they wanted them to sink because it's 1,000 miles away.
02:01:19.000 Yeah.
02:01:19.000 So with that rocket ship, or with that rocket hole, Phil realized that they were trying to cover it up.
02:01:25.000 And being a young man, he had the clarity to start cutting them out and saving these.
02:01:31.000 Phil saved, would you say, like 40 of them?
02:01:33.000 And that's one of the only rocket holes from the boat left.
02:01:38.000 And that's why we have physical evidence, because Phil Turney himself had the mental wherewithal to actually go, hey, they're trying to cover this up.
02:01:49.000 So I wanted to point that out about that.
02:01:51.000 So it wasn't enough that they tried to kill you.
02:01:53.000 It wasn't enough that they sent the IDF over there in helicopters to try to finish you guys off.
02:01:56.000 It wasn't enough that they told you to go...
02:02:06.000 Absolutely.
02:02:12.000 And that...
02:02:15.000 That beautiful, beautiful monument.
02:02:18.000 There was a lady in Cedar Ridge, Colorado. 1.00
02:02:22.000 She does veterans monuments.
02:02:24.000 I mean, you can see how beautiful that was done.
02:02:26.000 Kathy Meskel.
02:02:28.000 And I asked her, I said, would you be interested in please making a monument for us?
02:02:33.000 And she said, let me think about it.
02:02:35.000 I said, you get in trouble for doing it, first of all. 0.99
02:02:39.000 And about a day later, she says, I don't give a shit. 0.99
02:02:43.000 We're going to do it. 0.99
02:02:44.000 Nice.
02:02:45.000 Yeah, and so...
02:02:46.000 You need brave people like that, man.
02:02:48.000 Yeah, yeah, she's a good person.
02:02:51.000 And got that done for us, her and her artists.
02:02:55.000 She designed everything.
02:02:57.000 Of course, I helped her with the design and stuff, but it's a beautiful monument.
02:03:02.000 It's all marble.
02:03:03.000 It's the same marble that all the monuments are made in.
02:03:05.000 And this is in Denver?
02:03:06.000 Yeah.
02:03:06.000 Yeah, no, that was in C-Race, but the same marble in that monument.
02:03:11.000 It's in Norfolk, Virginia.
02:03:12.000 In Norfolk, Virginia.
02:03:13.000 Okay, okay.
02:03:14.000 So people want to see it.
02:03:15.000 Yeah, it's at the VFW 4809.
02:03:18.000 4809.
02:03:19.000 Yeah, I'm also part of the post as well.
02:03:22.000 So it's our VFW post 4809.
02:03:24.000 Okay.
02:03:24.000 But that marble is the same marble that all the monuments are made in Washington, D.C. Come out of the same quarry.
02:03:31.000 Gotcha, okay.
02:03:32.000 Okay.
02:03:35.000 Wow.
02:03:35.000 Yeah, I mean, that is a crazy story, the USS Liberty.
02:03:41.000 It's something that, you know, they don't talk about in history much ever, you know, and it's probably one of the most tragic situations, probably, I would say, one of the most censored events because it's crazy that, like, the media won't talk to you guys.
02:03:53.000 So, I saw a documentary on this recently, and they mentioned that Israel gave the survivors money.
02:04:00.000 Is that true or no?
02:04:01.000 Six million, you said?
02:04:03.000 They love that number, six.
02:04:05.000 Yeah, six.
02:04:07.000 They said they paid six million, but they didn't do it.
02:04:11.000 The government did.
02:04:12.000 But it's minuscule.
02:04:14.000 It's a $40 million ship.
02:04:17.000 Even at that time, 40 million bucks.
02:04:19.000 What is today?
02:04:20.000 So they gave that, or they were coerced into giving it.
02:04:25.000 Our government paid it.
02:04:28.000 And like I say, when I got the 200 bucks, it said on there, you could never sue Israel or the United States.
02:04:37.000 Really?
02:04:38.000 Yes. 0.99
02:04:39.000 And at that time, I didn't give a shit. 0.99
02:04:42.000 I just wanted it over with. 1.00
02:04:44.000 Yeah, you wanted to get out your head.
02:04:45.000 Yeah, I was done.
02:04:46.000 You said you didn't talk about it for 18 years, right?
02:04:48.000 18 years until I saw an article in the old Rocky Mountain News.
02:04:54.000 From Stan White, an E9 chief.
02:04:56.000 He was a spy.
02:04:57.000 He wrote about it, and I felt the whole world come off my shoulders.
02:05:01.000 Because I never told my wife I was in the military.
02:05:05.000 Then when I went home and I told her about it, she's been steadfast with me 100% all the way doing this, and she's been helping me do it for the last damn near 40 years.
02:05:16.000 What motivated you to say, I'm going to come out, I'm going to talk about this, everyone is going to know that Israel betrayed us on that day?
02:05:23.000 Because I was pissed off that they got by with cold-blooded murder, and we're witnesses to cold-blooded murder.
02:05:28.000 They put a gun to my head, too, and pulled the trigger and pulled the trigger.
02:05:32.000 Luckily, I didn't get killed, but the other guys did.
02:05:35.000 One got seriously wounded.
02:05:37.000 You can't forget something like that.
02:05:41.000 They take the word of the Zionist state, the idea of a mistaken identity over the people that were there, instead of American servicemen, the most highly decorated there are, They don't take our word. 0.87
02:05:55.000 They take their attackers' word.
02:05:56.000 You ever heard of that one before?
02:05:57.000 Unacceptable.
02:05:58.000 Unacceptable.
02:05:59.000 So you said you didn't speak about it for 18 years, and then you saw this article come in the news.
02:06:03.000 Is that what prompted you to say, I'm going to go public with this?
02:06:05.000 Like, what was the motivating factor for you to say, I'm going to come out now?
02:06:10.000 The motivating factor is I had to get it off my chest, and I've been getting it off my chest ever since.
02:06:15.000 And when you saw the news article post out, you said, I got to do the same?
02:06:18.000 Yeah, absolutely.
02:06:18.000 I felt relieved.
02:06:20.000 I felt great.
02:06:21.000 I mean, I felt...
02:06:21.000 So this is what, the 80s at this point?
02:06:23.000 Yes, it was back in like 84, 85.
02:06:28.000 Okay.
02:06:29.000 So you're like, you're at this point, because when you're attacked, you're 18 years old.
02:06:33.000 Yeah, so you're like 40 years old at this point.
02:06:34.000 Right.
02:06:35.000 And you know, I'll bring up another interesting point too, Myron.
02:06:39.000 Back in 89, 1989, about a year before that, I did an article in the old Spotlight newspaper.
02:06:48.000 Now it's American Free Press.
02:06:49.000 I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
02:06:51.000 Willis Carto owned it then.
02:06:53.000 He invited me to D.C. I did a speech there.
02:06:57.000 And Tricia Katzen did a very fine article. 0.95
02:07:01.000 In two...
02:07:03.000 Entrepreneurs, very rich men, they're from Sweden.
02:07:08.000 In fact, one of them made a deal with Ford Motor Company because they made better transmissions than Ford.
02:07:14.000 So they bought the patent.
02:07:15.000 But anyway, when we were dedicating the monument, We had to have a SWAT team there on the roofs.
02:07:24.000 This was a library, Phil.
02:07:25.000 You're talking about the library.
02:07:26.000 Right.
02:07:26.000 Yeah, absolutely.
02:07:27.000 They did a library.
02:07:29.000 We're not talking about the monument.
02:07:31.000 No, I thought I mentioned the library.
02:07:33.000 No, he's talking about...
02:07:34.000 So there was a library in Wisconsin, right, Phil?
02:07:38.000 Crafton.
02:07:38.000 Yeah, in Crafton, Wisconsin.
02:07:40.000 And these guys wanted to name it something else.
02:07:42.000 The Grope Brothers.
02:07:43.000 Yeah.
02:07:44.000 And then...
02:07:44.000 Grope Library.
02:07:45.000 What happened is...
02:07:47.000 And Ernie Gallo, another survivor, has written a book about all the atrocities that have happened to the survivors, and this is one of them, where they had a library, and the Grope Brothers were going to name it the USS Memorial Library.
02:08:05.000 And what happened was, this was the 80s, People called in bomb threats, sniper threats, so they had to have a SWAT team there when they dedicated this library to the USS Liberty.
02:08:15.000 With dogs, bomb dogs, and all that. 1.00
02:08:18.000 Because these fucking assholes would try to SWAT you guys. 1.00
02:08:20.000 Yeah, well, you know, the Milwaukee... 1.00
02:08:24.000 ADL and APAC came down on us, said, you guys are nothing but you haters and Nazis, for wanting to have a memorial about our ship.
02:08:35.000 And the library's still standing, USS Liberty Memorial Library.
02:08:39.000 In fact, they didn't have- Tell them the truth, it's anti-Semitic. 0.76
02:08:43.000 Yeah, it's anti-Semitic. 1.00
02:08:44.000 Fuck those guys. 1.00
02:08:45.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:08:46.000 And they had on their U.S. something library, U.S. Liberty Library.
02:08:53.000 Wow.
02:08:53.000 And they said, no, that isn't it.
02:08:56.000 So Ben had to pay another $50,000 if he had Memorial put on there.
02:09:01.000 That's how closed up it was.
02:09:03.000 It was just terrible.
02:09:06.000 Bad.
02:09:06.000 You know, and it's funny because conservative creators, I got two clips here.
02:09:10.000 When they're questioned about this, I want to show you guys this real quick and then we'll wrap up the show.
02:09:15.000 Let's go ahead and show the Ben Shapiro one real fast.
02:09:19.000 Because if you talk about the USS Liberty, man, these other YouTubers will never talk about it.
02:09:25.000 Hit play.
02:09:29.000 They get the questions about Israel and suggesting that if you're pro-Israel, this means prioritizing America of Israel.
02:09:34.000 That's absolute nonsense.
02:09:36.000 If America had a policy that was not good for Israel but was good for America, I would back it. 0.96
02:09:40.000 They talk about the USS Liberty incident.
02:09:42.000 Wait, when has he ever done this?
02:09:44.000 He's never done this.
02:09:45.000 I would.
02:09:46.000 That's a very easy hypothetical.
02:09:47.000 There have been multiple studies, U.S. Navy, Joint Chiefs of Staff, CIA, House, Senate, NSA. Most of the reports, according to historian Richard Brownell, do not assign culpability for the incident.
02:09:56.000 They focus on communications failures.
02:09:58.000 I have to say I'm a little bit bewilder why you're so obsessed with an incident that is now 52 years old.
02:10:02.000 If you have theories that are better than those of the American...
02:10:04.000 So, we're obsessed with something that's 52 years old.
02:10:08.000 See how he tries to down it like it's not that serious?
02:10:10.000 And, oh yeah, it was a miscommunication.
02:10:12.000 Well, which one is it?
02:10:13.000 Is it a miscommunication or is it mistaken identity?
02:10:16.000 Like, which one is it?
02:10:17.000 Well, a lot of what Ben Shapiro is talking about, they're lies put out by Jay Kristol.
02:10:23.000 Jay Crystal.
02:10:24.000 Jay Crystal, yeah. 1.00
02:10:25.000 He wrote a bunch of shit. 1.00
02:10:27.000 Is he related to Bill Crystal? 1.00
02:10:28.000 I'm not for sure.
02:10:31.000 Can we Google that real quick?
02:10:32.000 Jay Crystal real quick? 1.00
02:10:32.000 I'm almost certain this guy's a neocon as well. 1.00
02:10:34.000 But Jay Crystal put out a bunch of lies about the USS Liberty.
02:10:38.000 And that's what they're spousing. 1.00
02:10:40.000 That's the shit that's coming out of their mouth is their lies. 0.99
02:10:45.000 And it's funny because the USS Liberty Veterans Association actually has a $10,000 Challenge. 1.00
02:10:52.000 They'll pay anybody $10,000 to prove Jay Crystal's What is it? 0.99
02:10:59.000 To prove Jay Crystal's bullshit isn't wise. 0.99
02:11:02.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:11:03.000 Well, another interesting part.
02:11:05.000 I went to the State Department.
02:11:06.000 A.J. Crystal was on the panel.
02:11:10.000 You know, five.
02:11:11.000 And Michael Oren, he was on there.
02:11:14.000 And James Bamford, he was the only one sticking up for him.
02:11:17.000 He wrote The Puzzle Palace and Body of Secrets.
02:11:21.000 There were two survivors there.
02:11:24.000 Myself and one other fellow, he's passed on, I can't remember it, but they said we could talk after they said all this stuff about mistaken identity.
02:11:36.000 I got up to the mic, and this is at the State Department, and they shut the mic down.
02:11:43.000 They wouldn't let me talk.
02:11:45.000 So that's the power in our State Department.
02:11:50.000 They don't want people to know the truth, man.
02:11:52.000 And who runs the State Department now?
02:11:54.000 Anthony Blinken.
02:11:55.000 Jew. 0.90
02:11:56.000 Yeah.
02:11:59.000 Then we got here, Turning Point.
02:12:01.000 This is Charlie Kirk is asked this question.
02:12:06.000 And he also kind of evades it as well.
02:12:10.000 Let's play that clip.
02:12:14.000 Sure.
02:12:15.000 So I have a question.
02:12:17.000 So from America First perspective, why do we give 3.8 billion dollars to Israel, which is more aid than we've given to Africa, more aid than we've given to South America, and more aid than we've given to the Caribbean combined, which is home to a billion poor people, especially when they deliberately attacked the USS Liberty in the 1970s.
02:12:33.000 That is incorrect.
02:12:34.000 Do not peddle conspiracy theories in our event.
02:12:37.000 That is not acceptable.
02:12:38.000 Do not say that.
02:12:39.000 Okay, Dean Rusk disagrees with you and he was in Secretary of State at the time, but that's fine.
02:12:44.000 And then the second part is also you have the Apollo incident in which they illegally stole weapons-grade uranium.
02:12:50.000 I love how he said you're not going to peddle conspiracy theories here.
02:12:55.000 It's a verified fact that Israel attacked us.
02:12:58.000 You literally have a survivor right here.
02:13:00.000 Absolutely.
02:13:01.000 Come on, man. 1.00
02:13:02.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00
02:13:03.000 See how the big conservative... 1.00
02:13:06.000 That's Charlie Kirk.
02:13:07.000 They try to minimize it.
02:13:09.000 Like, oh, why are you so obsessed with an event that happened 50 years ago?
02:13:12.000 Why are you peddling conspiracy theories in our event? 0.99
02:13:15.000 It's fucking true. 0.99
02:13:16.000 Well, they talk about Vietnam. 0.99
02:13:18.000 They talk about World War II. Yeah, you can talk about all that shit. 1.00
02:13:21.000 Yeah, but not the USS Liberty. 1.00
02:13:24.000 Hell no.
02:13:24.000 It's covered up.
02:13:25.000 The most censored event in American history is the USS Liberty.
02:13:30.000 Absolutely.
02:13:31.000 Absolutely. 1.00
02:13:32.000 Fucking crazy, man. 1.00
02:13:33.000 You know, I want to give a shout-out to my family. 0.99
02:13:36.000 They're watching this, and I know they're all appreciative of the time you've given myself and John.
02:13:44.000 No, this is important, man.
02:13:45.000 This is really important.
02:13:46.000 I think, you know, these big conservative channels are not going to have a conversation like this.
02:13:50.000 We will.
02:13:51.000 You know, we'll go places that other people won't.
02:13:52.000 We'll challenge narratives that people never will.
02:13:55.000 We'll challenge states that people never will.
02:13:57.000 So I'm happy to do it.
02:13:59.000 Proud to do it.
02:14:00.000 Thank you, thank you.
02:14:01.000 So thank you.
02:14:01.000 I'm just glad that you're here with us to tell the story.
02:14:03.000 Well, let me shake your hand.
02:14:04.000 Absolutely.
02:14:05.000 God bless you, and let me shake your hand, sir.
02:14:07.000 All right.
02:14:08.000 Thank you so much, Phil, for coming on the show.
02:14:10.000 Guys, ussliberty.org, please go support on there.
02:14:13.000 I'm going to donate myself as well.
02:14:15.000 We've got to get this story out there. 0.99
02:14:16.000 There needs to be some fucking justice. 1.00
02:14:17.000 These guys are not our fucking greatest ally. 0.99
02:14:19.000 And the thing is, just imagine, if they didn't survive to tell the story, what would have happened? 0.99
02:14:24.000 Nobody would know.
02:14:24.000 Nobody would know.
02:14:25.000 They would think Egypt attacked us, or Syria, or one of these other countries.
02:14:28.000 You know, so, and we're two days past 9-11, right?
02:14:31.000 We're two days past 9-11.
02:14:33.000 Of course you're gonna think, you know, they went ahead and said, oh yeah, we were attacked by this dude in a cave, etc. 0.99
02:14:37.000 But then you do your research and you figure out, wait, there's Zionist fingerprints all over this shit. 0.99
02:14:41.000 So, they've stolen secrets from us, they've attacked us, they've killed our service members. 1.00
02:14:45.000 And they dance when they commit mass destruction.
02:14:50.000 Read some of the chats?
02:14:51.000 Okay.
02:14:52.000 Okay, I'll read some of these chats because I think they might have questions for you, Phil, actually.
02:14:55.000 Let's see here.
02:14:55.000 Thank you, Phil, and FNF for spreading the truth regarding the USS Liberty.
02:14:58.000 The podcast with Jocko with a few other survivors was great as well.
02:15:01.000 Everybody, visit USSLiberty.org.
02:15:03.000 I got the books, the lighter, and a coin a few weeks ago.
02:15:06.000 Absolutely, man.
02:15:07.000 Thank you, JR. Thank you for your service.
02:15:11.000 Men like you made me want to serve.
02:15:12.000 It's still something I consider every day a foolish, as some people might say, but what would you tell a young man considering he serves in today's climate?
02:15:20.000 Where Zionism is no longer discreet and we're on the brink of World War III. I think that's a question for you, Phil.
02:15:25.000 I would say it's bad timing to go in the military.
02:15:31.000 But if your heart says you've got to do it, that's up to you.
02:15:34.000 But I would discourage it.
02:15:36.000 And I'm not saying that you're not a proud, loving American.
02:15:40.000 But, man, don't push yourself through this stuff for somebody else.
02:15:44.000 I wouldn't do it.
02:15:45.000 Understood.
02:15:47.000 Alright.
02:15:48.000 We got here...
02:15:49.000 Guys?
02:15:49.000 Guys says, this is wild.
02:15:51.000 Can you guys do a more in-depth show on the Mustache Man and them boys?
02:15:54.000 We'll have to do that on...
02:15:55.000 On Castle Club only.
02:15:58.000 We'll never be able to do that anywhere else.
02:15:59.000 Shout out to Dom for making on the pod.
02:16:02.000 Take it easy on this week.
02:16:04.000 Heart, make a wish.
02:16:05.000 Oh, Dominicano.
02:16:07.000 Oh, Dominicano.
02:16:07.000 Okay, gotcha.
02:16:09.000 We got Moe.
02:16:10.000 They're making fun of you.
02:16:11.000 Oh, my God.
02:16:13.000 And then what else do we got?
02:16:14.000 Giggity, giggity.
02:16:14.000 Can we get a guest take on the recent attempt on Donald Trump's life since he lived through so many assassinations?
02:16:20.000 Well, we know a lot of people want him gone as well.
02:16:25.000 Currently at a Trump rally with another Cast Club member.
02:16:28.000 Haven't seen a single weirdo since I've been at this event.
02:16:30.000 W. Trump, Al Kham.
02:16:31.000 He's a fellow veteran, Phil, for speaking up about this event, WFNF. And he said that nobody shows up to his events.
02:16:36.000 Al Fresh, please stop spreading misinformation.
02:16:40.000 I understand it's funny, but repeating it may make people believe it's true.
02:16:42.000 What the hell are you talking about?
02:16:47.000 What was your reaction to the people on the ship when the president, who you thought was going to help, said, let the sailors die? 0.95
02:16:53.000 The most heartbreaking thing that I could ever imagine to be set up by our own government.
02:17:00.000 They colluded together, Israel and the United States, to sink an unarmed American spy ship and to be set up to be murdered by your own government. 0.75
02:17:11.000 And then Israel would be the hitman. 0.89
02:17:13.000 They were the hitman, and they hired him.
02:17:16.000 And they got more money when they killed my shipmates than they ever did in their entire history after they murdered my shipmates.
02:17:25.000 They got more money and they're still getting more money right now.
02:17:28.000 Yeah, war equals money.
02:17:29.000 Yeah, but like in the foreign aid too, we give Israel the most foreign aid by far.
02:17:33.000 Yes.
02:17:34.000 Yeah, I mean, and Lyndon B. Johnson is the commander-in-chief.
02:17:37.000 He's the head of the military, so for him to, you know, allow...
02:17:40.000 You know, now it makes sense why they would attack you guys because you couldn't even defend yourselves.
02:17:43.000 No.
02:17:43.000 Literally defenseless.
02:17:44.000 No, had nothing.
02:17:47.000 Fresh updates, WFNF. But by the grace of God, you guys survived and told the story.
02:17:52.000 Every American needs to hear this story.
02:17:53.000 God bless you, Phil.
02:17:54.000 Good stuff, FNF. Absolutely, man.
02:17:56.000 So, guys, ussliberty.org.
02:18:00.000 Anything that you guys want to donate to us, I want you guys to go ahead and donate it to them instead.
02:18:05.000 Thank you guys so much for the support.
02:18:07.000 And, guys, just...
02:18:09.000 Spread the message, man.
02:18:11.000 Let people know about the USS Liberty.
02:18:12.000 Do not let this die. 1.00
02:18:13.000 We're going to keep this alive and let the people know that these motherfucking assholes are not our real allies. 1.00
02:18:17.000 They're not. 1.00
02:18:18.000 They never have been.
02:18:19.000 They've been taking aid from us. 1.00
02:18:20.000 They kill our fucking service members. 1.00
02:18:21.000 They were involved in 9-11. 1.00
02:18:26.000 Are the architects of foreign wars for their own betterment.
02:18:28.000 So, Phil, thank you so much for coming on the show. 0.99
02:18:30.000 We're happy to have you, man, and I wish much success to you in the pursuit of truth and of hopefully holding these fucking dickheads accountable. 0.99
02:18:38.000 That's exactly right. 0.99
02:18:42.000 The honor is all mine.
02:18:43.000 I know it's John Stube to get this out.
02:18:47.000 Honey, I'll see you tomorrow.
02:18:49.000 Love you.
02:18:50.000 My beautiful wife, Lisa.
02:18:51.000 Good man.
02:18:52.000 He is Phil Turney.
02:18:53.000 Guys, go check him out.
02:18:54.000 USSLiberty.org, guys.
02:18:55.000 Love you guys.
02:18:56.000 Peace.
02:18:56.000 Peace.
02:18:56.000 I ran, I ran so far away.
02:19:01.000 I just ran, I ran all night and day.