In this episode of the Fresh Fit Podcast, we have a special guest in the house, Tommy Robinson. Tommy is an activist, journalist, writer and podcaster. He has been involved in the street protest movement known as the English Defence League for over 10 years. He is also a member of the Islamic Defence League, an organisation dedicated to fighting Islamic extremism and terrorism. Tommy speaks about his views on Islamic terrorism and Islamic culture, as well as his views and opinions on the current state of the UK Muslim community. He also talks about the recent events that have taken place in the past week, and what he thinks about the new law passed by the Prime Minister Theresa May, and why he thinks it's a good thing that Muslims are not allowed to speak about certain issues such as rape, corruption, the media, the police, the courts, etc. He also gives us his thoughts on the new legislation that has been passed in the UK, which could potentially lead to a ban on Muslims being able to speak freely and freely about their faith and their views on certain issues. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts and tell a friend about this episode! Subscribe to the FreshFit Podcast! Subscribe on iTunes and leave us a review on your favourite streaming platform so we can spread the word to the world about this podcast! We love ya'll! Peace, Love, Blessings, Cheers, EJ & Cheers! - The Fresh Fit Crew. - EJ and Brett, Ej and Rory - Mike & Rory, AKA The FreshFit Team Burt & Rory - FreshFit Coaching - Ejr. & EJ, and Ej & Rory & Ej, - Burt and Rory, Tommy Robinson , EJ & Elesa, E.J. & Rory and EJ is . Ej is a podcast about all things Fresh Fit Coaching, . . . EJBrett & Rory. , EJ ( ) And Ej ( ) EJY ( ) and Rory ( ) . , and EK ( ) ( ) , EjE ( ) & Rory ( ), EJT ( ) is ( ) ...and EJE ( ) ,EJE AND EJEE ( ) ! EZY ( )
00:01:02.000Make sure to follow us on there because we're going to have to do the other part of this interview more than likely on Rumble because I want to be able to have Tommy to say whatever he wants to say without being suppressed because we're on YouTube and you know how they be.
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00:02:18.000I did Alien Warnos, the first female serial killer in American history.
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00:02:28.000So one of the two tomorrow on Thursday.
00:02:31.000But anyway, without further ado, guys, we've got a special guest in the house, man.
00:03:26.000We used to hit the streets in our thousands, lots of young men.
00:03:30.000And we'd highlight issues that were either not allowed to be talked about, people scared to talk about.
00:03:35.000And we brought awareness around certain crimes such as the rape of our daughters by Islamic gangs across the UK. And in 2015, I left that organisation and I started focusing on media and content and journalism.
00:03:49.000And since then, I've gone on to make, I think in the last 18 months, I've made six documentaries, focused again on these issues, rape gangs, the media, looking at the corruption of the media, the corruption of the courts,
00:04:20.000Growing up in Luton, some of the best people I met in my life are Muslims.
00:04:23.000I don't hate Muslims, but I do have a problem with the teachings of Islam, certain parts of it.
00:04:29.000And I think that unless we have an open and honest dialogue about the pros and cons, If we're not allowed to do that, then we'll see problems.
00:04:38.000I think in the last week, anyone who's been watching the news of what's happening in France, these are the problems.
00:04:42.000I think I'll sit here, not smiling, but I'll sit here for eternity, for as long as I'm on this planet, looking, thinking, well, we tried to tell you.
00:04:51.000But anyway, and for that, I've been cancelled.
00:05:03.000There's a backstory to all of it, but that's who I am.
00:05:05.000I am just a working class English lad from a town in England who was fed up of what's happening to my country, fed up of uncontrolled mass immigration and the problems it brings into my country, and fed up of seeing a decay in freedom and hostility towards us.
00:05:22.000And I've tried to speak about it, and that's who I am.
00:05:28.000And we're definitely going to get into all of that, Mo, Elmo.
00:05:32.000We're definitely going to get into all of that.
00:05:33.000But my question is, so what's the freedom of speech laws like in the UK? Because from what I understand, it's a bit watered down compared to the American counterpart.
00:05:42.000Yeah, we don't have freedom of speech.
00:05:46.000The sooner people realise that, the better.
00:05:48.000The country I live in, the country I thought I lived in in 2009 when I started my activism, I very quickly realised it's a totally different country.
00:05:56.000And the minute you try to express that freedom of speech, you will feel the full force of...
00:06:00.000And what we have, I've done a documentary last year called, well, this year, called Exposing Hope Not Hate.
00:06:26.000You just said George Soros, so I had to hit the bell.
00:06:29.000Okay, so these groups actively target anyone who goes against the status quo and the narrative.
00:06:39.000And when I say the narrative, obviously, for me, I spoke against open border immigration and people used to celebrate the fact that I was silenced or I was attacked and all this attack on freedom of speech.
00:06:52.000It started off with open border immigration.
00:06:55.000It shifted to not being able to talk about, I don't even know if we're allowed to even mention, now we're on YouTube, but these in your arm, not even allowed to mention that anymore.
00:08:01.000If someone feels that it's because of their race or feels it's because of their sex or feels it's because of their religion, it can be logged as a hate crime.
00:08:08.000You know what I've realized, Tommy, with guys like you, guys like Nick Fuentes, etc.
00:08:15.000I'm not afraid to have these conversations with people that might have different viewpoints on things, but I think suppressing them is the worst thing that you can do.
00:08:22.000Just because you don't agree with someone on 100% of things doesn't invalidate some of the things that they can say.
00:08:27.000But what I've noticed a lot of the times is when people make valid points, What people will do to try to solace that individual is they'll just label them a racist, they'll label them a hater, they'll label them some type of extremist, whatever, to invalidate the very valid points they make a lot of the times, and they'll use the veil of they're a racist or a Nazi or some other crap to go ahead and make what they're trying to say sound irrelevant.
00:08:50.000And I think that's kind of ridiculous because people do make good points even if you don't necessarily agree with everything they say.
00:08:57.000Yeah, that is just the easy cop-out of the debate.
00:09:00.000They don't have an answer to what you're saying, or they don't have a solution to the problems they've imported.
00:09:06.000And rather than deal with that, they rather hide that, and they rather silence anyone who talks about it.
00:09:12.000Because a lot of the issues, if I'm allowed to speak about them and people can hear them, and hear the reality of the problem on the ground in many towns and cities in the UK, is to do with government policies.
00:09:23.000And they don't want their policies questioned.
00:09:25.000So rather than have their policies questioned, they will silence the people who are talking about it and then the organisations or people.
00:09:32.000And it's a very successful tactic because they actually, for decades in this country, had the entire country silenced due to the fear of being called a racist.
00:09:40.000Along come the English Defence League.
00:09:42.000And people were walking around and if they were talking about Islam, they'd whisper about it.
00:09:47.000It's like, this is the state the country was in, where people were seeing problems, they're seeing real problems in their town and cities, but they're too scared to even talk about it.
00:09:56.000The English Defence League sort of broke the back on that, because rather than whispering about it, we were screaming about it, we were singing about it, and marching through at the top of our voices.
00:10:04.000And we then made people, we then bought the, we shifted the Overton window, it Yeah.
00:10:34.000I always say, well, what policies is it that I have that are far right?
00:11:05.000My issue has always been about open border immigration, uncontrolled immigration and fundamentally Islamic immigration and the problems that that can bring.
00:11:15.000But again, for all of that, none of that's mattered.
00:11:18.000And I first noticed this, for example, when I first started in 2009, I started an organisation called the United People of Luton.
00:11:25.000And I went to meet the Guardian newspaper, which is a newspaper in the UK. Now, at this time, I used to be a young football hooligan growing up.
00:11:44.000Like most working-class people, I didn't care about politics.
00:11:46.000I certainly didn't know that certain newspapers have their affiliations on the left and certain newspapers have their affiliations on the right.
00:11:52.000And I went for a meeting with a newspaper to discuss our new organisation.
00:11:57.000I turned up with three non-white people, my friends, sat down, done this interview.
00:12:02.000Then when the interview came out in the paper, I sat down, I read it, and I thought, What?
00:12:06.000It's all talking about racism and extremism.
00:12:09.000And it's totally ignored the fact that I've turned up with three non-white friends to have this discussion.
00:12:15.000They've been totally cut out of the entire story.
00:12:18.000And then I realised very quickly, and then in some of our first demonstrations, we went to a city called Birmingham to highlight some issues.
00:12:59.000And I've been on a journey of learning ever since that point to working out, to seeing how corrupt they are, to seeing how they operate, to seeing how they work for the globalists, they work for silence, that there is no free reporting.
00:13:14.000There is no free press in the UK. There's none.
00:13:16.000And I can give example after example of that.
00:13:20.000Tommy, so you've been doing multiple interviews in the past before the arrest and stuff like that with Piers Morgan, you know, different news channels.
00:13:28.000And for the most part, we never get to hear your side of the story because whenever you talk, they interrupt you.
00:13:32.000So I think to hear this for the first time, why you think this way from your past in Luton, what you've seen in the streets, why you believe what you believe is really good.
00:13:40.000Yeah, and I definitely want to get into that.
00:13:42.000So you mentioned before, we'll probably have to do a rumble though so that he can be uncensored.
00:14:14.000Now, bearing in mind I'd sat on TV show after TV show trying to highlight these gangs, and I'd been rubbished and belittled by the commentators and the hosts as though I was lying.
00:14:24.000The same newspaper that broke this story in 2015 had previously run reports saying that I was making extraordinary claims.
00:14:31.000They belittled and mugged off what I was saying for years.
00:14:34.000And then 2015, a government report comes out saying that 1,400 young children have been raped by predominantly Pakistani Muslim gangs in the city of Rotherham.
00:14:52.000Just so people understand the statistics and the demographics of these gangs, not of paedophilia.
00:14:57.000The majority of paedophiles in the UK are white.
00:15:00.000The UK is a majority white nation, so the demographics are, as you'd expect, that pretty much it's a sole, single, white, strange male for sole, individual paedophiles, yeah?
00:15:24.000And of these figures, so 4% of the UK are Muslim.
00:15:29.000Between 80 to 90% of the convictions of this type of crime, which is where men who know each other, related business colleagues, work colleagues, men who know each other, who are friends, Are grooming young girls together.
00:15:43.000They get them and they rape them and they gang rape them.
00:15:46.000So this type of statistic, 80 to 90% of the convictions in the UK are Muslims from a 4% population.
00:15:54.00030% of the men convicted are called Mohammed.
00:16:05.000Fathers and sons are raping the girls together.
00:16:07.000Just so you understand, I'll give you one area.
00:16:10.000In a town called Oxford, they heated up an iron rod with the letter M and they scolded the bum of a 12-year-old girl with that letter M because she was the property of Mohammed.
00:16:19.000They nailed another girl's tongue to the table.
00:16:21.000You have to go through to really understand the severity and the level of torture these children went through.
00:16:28.000I've done a recent documentary series called The Rape of Britain where we looked at one city called Telford.
00:16:52.000Now, out of that 1.7% Muslim population, there's only 2,800 Muslims.
00:16:56.000By the time you take away the women, you take away the under-16s and the over-70s, you've got 20 to 30% of the Muslim population involved in raping children in that town.
00:17:06.000And insane when you look at the numbers.
00:17:08.000So the numbers we've been given the numbers for are Rotherham and Telford.
00:17:11.000They're the only two cities in the UK we've been given the statistics and the historical numbers of how many children have been raped and how many men have been arrested.
00:17:27.000There's many cities across the UK where the problems are far worse than these cities and we'll never get the numbers.
00:17:33.000So in 2017, what they've done is in the early court cases, because they started making arrests since the English Defence League formed.
00:17:40.000So in the early court cases, we got to hear the daily news cycle because when the court cases were going on for six weeks, The media would be in court and they'd be reporting what was getting the allegations.
00:17:59.000They were making comments like, it's my religious duty to have done this.
00:18:03.000That's what one of the perpetrators said in the Bristol case.
00:18:06.000Again, these are not Tommy Robinson's words.
00:18:08.000These are the words of the men who raped the girls.
00:18:10.000The men were getting supported by their families in court, by their community.
00:18:14.000For example, a local mayor and a local politician went to give character references for the rapists.
00:18:20.000That's how acceptable this was within this certain community.
00:18:25.000Now, come 2017, what the government decided to do is they had to block these court cases.
00:18:30.000So they then, from that point on, put media reporting restrictions, meaning there can be no reporting on these court cases Until the end of the court case.
00:18:40.000So you'll have a six-week trial with all the details of what's going on.
00:18:44.000At the end of those six weeks, you'll get one day's news.
00:18:49.000You'll get the headline, you'll get the picture, but you won't get the horrific abuse or the reason why these men or any sort of look at what they had done specifically, because it'll be in one day's headlines.
00:19:02.000They introduced these reporting restrictions.
00:19:04.000Now, I went outside a court case and as the men were walking into court, I made a video on my phone.
00:19:10.000I work as a journalist and I said, and what I made sure of saying, again, is that these men are innocent until proven guilty and this is not the crime of every Muslim because I've grown up with Muslims in the UK who would want to kick the shit out of these men for the crime they've committed.
00:19:27.000That does not change the fact That these men have committed these crimes.
00:19:32.000It does not change the fact that there's a massive problem and anything we can do that raises awareness to parents or raises awareness to stop the rape of these children, we have to do.
00:19:43.000So I made this video and I was outside the court and they come and got me from outside court, brought me before the judge and the judge within two hours sentenced me to 13 months in prison.
00:19:55.000Now, and they said it was for breaching...
00:20:09.000So there was an argument against it, Tommy, where they said, for example, that you were covering this spectacle or covering this case before you should have because it was like a stop for...
00:20:29.000The rules are, and this is the law, for reporting restrictions they have to have a note on the court door about the reporting restrictions and on the screen it has to say there's reporting restrictions.
00:20:41.000The morning of that case I went into the court I went to the door.
00:20:45.000I took a picture of both as well, which I showed in my court case.
00:20:49.000There was no mentions of reporting restrictions.
00:20:51.000So to be on the safe side, I made sure to only report what was already in the public domain.
00:20:57.000Now, what was already in the public domain from previous BBC reports after the arrest of these men is what they'd been alleged to have done, how many victims there were.
00:21:06.000So when I'd done my report, I didn't breach any policies.
00:21:10.000Now, what the media told everyone is, I risk jeopardising the trial.
00:21:14.000Now, when they arrested me and sentenced me to 13 months, some of the Muslim men appealed their convictions, saying, quoting, I risked jeopardising their trial.
00:21:24.000When it went before multiple judges, they watched my footage of what I actually said, and they made it very clear in their court documents that nothing I said Could have risked jeopardising the court trial.
00:21:36.000Because I made it very clear they're innocent until proven guilty.
00:21:48.000Now, that launched a mass movement called Free Tommy...
00:21:51.000Where there were protests in America, there were protests in Australia, there were protests across Europe.
00:21:56.000There was 660,000 people signed a petition to have me released from prison in the UK. 30,000 people marched next weekend on Parliament.
00:22:05.000And it resulted in the end, after 11 weeks, they got me back into court and they found that everything they'd done was unlawful and they released me immediately from custody.
00:22:14.000But by that time, I'd lost three stone in weight.
00:22:46.000But in the British prison system, which I've been trying to make people aware since 2010, my first prison sentence over these issues, that...
00:22:55.000The prisons have been taken over by jihadist gangs.
00:22:58.000They're literally ISIS training camps when you get to prison.
00:23:01.000You've got car criminals going in and they're coming out radical jihadis.
00:23:05.000That's literally, the figures are terrifying of the numbers in prison.
00:23:10.000I think Muslims make up 4% of the population, but they make up 20% of the prison population.
00:23:14.000But when you go to the A high risk category, we're looking at 50 to 60% of the population in the high security level, where it's the maximum security prisons for serious crime, murders, terrorism, the numbers are through the roof.
00:23:29.000So when I land in jail, it's not about being locked in your cell that's the problem.
00:23:37.000Tommy, you spoke on Tucker Carlson about your experience in jail.
00:23:42.000You mentioned that during your jail period of time while you were there, that you were put into confinement because you were around a lot of Muslims in that territory?
00:23:53.000So I started off in HMP Hull, which had a 5% Muslim population.
00:23:59.000After three weeks, they moved me to a new prison, which has the highest population of Muslims of any prison in the UK. Which isn't a mistake.
00:24:11.000And when they imprisoned me, they gave me 13 months, they made a reporting restriction that the media weren't allowed to tell anyone I've been imprisoned.
00:24:20.000But everyone does know because America, their little reporting restrictions can't stop Americans.
00:24:26.000You're protected by your constitution.
00:24:29.000So on the news in America, Tommy Robinson's in prison.
00:24:32.000But the media weren't allowed to report it in the UK. It took a week before they were taken into court and the court were forced to remove the reporting restrictions.
00:24:41.000But they moved me to the highest density population of Muslims in the UK. And I truthfully believe that at that moment, If it hadn't been for the 30,000 people march on Parliament, if it hadn't been for Paul Gassar, Congressman from the United States, if it hadn't been for Brownback,
00:24:59.000The American embassy is linked to the British government.
00:25:03.000If it hadn't been for Donald Trump putting pressure on him to put pressure on the British government, I believe they'd moved me so I could be killed in prison.
00:25:11.000And when I say that, that may sound far-fetched.
00:25:14.000I've got some beautiful nationalists here, but I've only got them because my teeth got smashed out when I was locked in a room with Muslims in Woodhill prison.
00:26:31.000They just kept moving me to prisons and keeping me on solitary confinement.
00:26:34.000Because they know, they know Their own research tells them that it has a detrimental effect after 28 days to your mental health and your well-being.
00:26:44.000And not just whilst I was on my solitary confinement, they were, for example, when I was in, I was on solitary confinement in Onley Prison and my cell door comes and it's the prison governors and they say, where's your wife?
00:26:57.000And I say, well, I'm locked in here all day.
00:27:00.000You only let me out for 30 minutes of a day on my own.
00:27:04.000And they only let me out during the day.
00:28:02.000But when I went to prison, my name blew up.
00:28:05.000As I said, 660,000 people signed a petition.
00:28:08.000Tens of thousands of people were marching.
00:28:10.000When I come out of jail, I was made aware that there's a BBC program called Panorama, which is the most credible BBC program there is for investigative journalism.
00:28:24.000And I got made aware when I come out of jail that they were working on a program titled Tommy Takedown.
00:28:58.000So Panorama, just so you get the sequence of events.
00:29:02.000Panorama, I come out of jail, I find out Panorama working on a program, which is terrifying for me because Panorama can break anyone with their documentaries.
00:30:15.000But she was offered, it's all on the covert recordings, yeah?
00:30:19.000Andrew Gilligan, the journalist who offered her £5,000 for a front page story.
00:30:23.000John Sweeney was the journalist working for Panodrama who said that he could take an innocent conversation and make it into a sexual thing on recording and throw sexual allegations against me.
00:30:33.000They actually sit her down and Tell her, say this, say this, say this, and we will put it on the...
00:30:49.000I've just been released for the unlawful prison sentence.
00:30:53.000I create the documentary called Panadrama and I release it.
00:30:56.000I hire the biggest screen you can hire.
00:30:58.000And I released it outside the BBC's head offices in Manchester, Salford, on like a 50-metre screen, yeah, with 10,000 people watching.
00:31:06.000And this was everything you think, everything Donald Trump has said, everything everyone has thought about BBC being fake news, I have got it in a box, yeah?
00:32:26.000The Attorney General contacted my solicitor and I was given a date for court at the Old Bailey.
00:32:32.000So I was thrown into the Old Bailey for this same offence I'd just been released for the year before.
00:32:39.000So the case that I'd been released out of jail for, they took me back to court for.
00:32:44.000They actually, between this point, changed the law.
00:32:47.000So they couldn't get me on saying I had jeopardised the trial because the Muslim men had appealed their convictions and they found that I didn't jeopardise the trial.
00:32:56.000So they retried me under saying that I'd caused the men alarm and distress.
00:33:01.000As these paedophiles who have got 20 years, one of them has absconded and never been brought to justice.
00:33:07.000Because when the judge brought me into court and gave me 30 months, he let that paedophile go home that day.
00:33:12.000He put me in for 30 months and let the Pakistani paedophile go home.
00:33:15.000That paedophile has never been brought to justice.
00:33:17.000But they then charged me and they put me back in jail again for another 10 months of solitary confinement.
00:33:24.000I went into jail and come out of jail without seeing another prisoner.
00:33:27.000The only person I spoke to was Julian Assange.
00:33:54.000So going back to the panodrama documentary.
00:33:58.000So it seems to me like you got canceled as soon as you released this documentary highlighting that they were going to basically do a political hit job on you to get you deplatformed everywhere on some false sexual allegations is what it sounds like to me.
00:34:13.000Yeah, their Panorama documentary never come out.
00:34:15.000They had to ditch their entire documentary.
00:37:10.000Now, on the Panorama documentary, what we find out, and we get covert recordings, is that a NGO organisation called Hope Not Hate had been blackmailing my old employees, because my old employees had been giving information to them and getting money,
00:37:32.000Yeah, they were giving them information on me, on everyone on the right.
00:37:35.000So this organisation were paying them and blackmailing them and threatening them that they could put them in prison.
00:37:42.000So when I went to jail, basically, when I went to jail for this reporting outside the court, this Hope Not Hate organisation contacted my employees, sat them down, told them we can lock you up for your radicalised people working for Tommy.
00:38:47.000So he has been an asset of this NGO organisation and they line him up for the media who then report the lies he says.
00:38:56.000Now guess when Andrew Tate got sent to jail?
00:38:59.000Who come out and said, when I went in 2017 with my cameraman and a female come with us, yeah, to Romania.
00:39:09.000Now, in that stay in Romania, that female, in the morning I come out of my hotel room, Andrew Tate was one next door, the next room up, whatever, yeah?
00:39:59.000So I come out and made a video saying, no, this is lies.
00:40:01.000This man and this asset of Hope Not Hate, who are the organisation, I then done a documentary where, again, I got someone within Hope Not Hate.
00:40:11.000I got a mole within their own group and I found out what they were doing, how they were doing it.
00:40:17.000They paid 20 sat and panorama If you look at the history of Panorama, in the 60s or 70s, Panorama were taken to court.
00:40:25.000They had to pay millions because they were working alongside the NGO organisations to take down Conservative MPs back then, yeah?
00:40:32.000So Panorama were working alongside this group to take down me.
00:40:36.000We then find out when we do this investigation that Panorama, that Hope and I Hate paid £20,000 to a female to sit on a show in Northern Ireland, Spotlight, which is Panorama, yeah?
00:40:49.000And Paul Goldin is an activist like myself, yeah?
00:40:52.000We never used to get on, we get on now.
00:40:54.000Paul Goldin, he runs a group called Britain First.
00:40:56.000They're a patriotic movement, a political party in the UK. Now, they were rising in Northern Ireland at the time.
00:41:02.000They paid a woman £20,000 to sit on Panorama and claim that Paul Goldin used to lock her in her house and that he used to abuse her, yeah?
00:41:11.000So you see her on TV saying this, but then I've got the covert recordings that she was paid £20,000.
00:41:20.000So when all the stuff came out about Andrew Tate, and a lot of my supporters fell out of me, I lost 25% of my subscription base, because I refused to condemn him, and I refused to come out.
00:41:32.000And a lot of my supporters don't like the fact that he's converted.
00:41:34.000A lot of them claim they don't like the way he's made his money through women.
00:41:40.000A lot of them claim the moral thing around that.
00:41:42.000So there's been all these issues going on in my own base.
00:42:54.000Now, this story, obviously, the documentary I made is not about Andrew Tate, but you can take exactly what's happened with me, but you can magnify it for Andrew Tate because of the level of influence he created upon the youth that they want to stop.
00:43:10.000So what they were doing to me, so I've gone through this, I've experienced it.
00:44:03.000I wear covert recordings and I go and approach all the teachers.
00:44:07.000We find out they were paid £275,000 they spent buying non-disclosure agreements to make sure the teachers couldn't tell the truth about what had happened.
00:44:16.000So I created this film and I come out and told the British public, you're being lied to about this story.
00:44:27.000They put me through the court system, and at the end of the court system, when I produced all my covert recordings to the judge, which totally exonerate everything I said, which totally proved the whole thing's a farce, the judge carefully listed everything on the recordings from seven teachers,
00:44:45.000He listed everything that was said, and he gave me a court injunction that listed that if any of this is ever played in the public, I get two years in prison.
00:44:54.000Well, that film that shows every bit of evidence was released.
00:44:58.000It wasn't me who released it, but the way that their injunction is worded, it doesn't matter who releases it.
00:45:08.000I'm exiled from the UK, sat in Spain, because I want to spend the next four weeks with my children when they break up for their school holidays before I go back to the UK. And I'm probably in prison for two years for showing the British public their corruption.
00:45:18.000When I say their corruption, on camera, On camera, the Asian teacher, Kumar, comes out and says, Tommy, man, I took the money.
00:45:28.000And I've got a button camera, so I'm like, what do you mean you took the money?
00:46:43.000I mean, a lot of expose has been done here today.
00:46:46.000But I want to ask you, man, you've been cancelled.
00:46:48.000You've been looked at as, you know, the enemy of the state, so to speak, in the UK. How has that affected your family, you know, yourself, your psyche?
00:46:57.000Because, for example, I can imagine dating, public relations, or even, for example, you know, family must be affected in a bad way because of this.
00:47:16.000I've always said there's nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer and for our activism for the first five years before I become a journalist, we were just activists and we were running and we were campaigning and they couldn't stop us.
00:47:28.000The English Defence League could not be stopped because of the passion and belief in the people that believed in what they were doing and it was a camaraderie of brotherhood, of people coming together who all loved their country and it was that sense of belonging Because we've sort of had our belonging destroyed in the UK. Our sense of identity has been broken.
00:47:46.000We're not allowed to celebrate who we are.
00:47:48.000Yeah, sort of the English Defence League sort of gave that back to people.
00:47:52.000And then all of a sudden you had this real strong belief of groups of people coming together, which they were trying to break.
00:47:58.000But then when they censored you, so I went from, and I buzz, there's a speech I gave at Oxford University I walked into Oxford University and they hated me.
00:48:07.000When you speak, Oxford University is one of the most prestigious places in the world to be invited to talk.
00:48:20.000So I was invited to speak there, but we're not going to give him dinner.
00:48:22.000We're not going to spend any time with this man.
00:48:25.000I walked in there, everyone was booing, everyone was hissing.
00:48:28.000It was my first opportunity since leading English Defence League to give who I am, because I've done little...
00:48:34.000I've been on TV, like you say, and just been shouted down.
00:48:36.000A lot of the time, due to the ridiculous behaviour of some of the supporters of the English Defence League, because English Defence League was a nationalist organisation.
00:48:43.000It attracted the brave and the stupid.
00:48:54.000The anti-Jews, we had them all trying to be part of this movement and we were trying to battle to keep them out for years at the start of this formation.
00:49:03.000So this was the first chance, 2015, five years in, I got to give my say.
00:49:08.000I got to say, this is who I am and this is what I believe and this is where I'm from and this is my life.
00:49:13.000And I buzzed off, if you go through that video, it's one of my only videos left on YouTube.
00:49:16.000It's like three and a half million views, 20,000 comments and every comment says, I thought this guy was a Nazi moron.
00:49:46.000And we have a more liberal youth movement in Pakistan than what's in Britain.
00:49:52.000And a lot of these things, we can talk ages on this, is a lot of these things is a lot of the...
00:49:58.000Extremist groups, whether it be Muslim Brotherhood, whether it be the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, a lot of the Islamic countries, they're banned.
00:50:04.000These groups, these radical Islamist organisations are banned.
00:50:09.000Whether it be Imam, whether it be United Arab Emirates, all these countries, they're banned.
00:50:13.000But they're not banned in the UK. They're given charity status.
00:50:17.000Charity status and offices, and they're allowed into schools and that.
00:50:22.000Can we also say as well that it's not all Muslims, of course, it's only a few Muslims that are doing these things, right?
00:50:28.000Yeah, so the problem, this is where we have to really, because it's not all Muslims, of course, yeah?
00:50:37.000The vast majority of, look, I met some of the best people I've met growing up in Luton were Muslim.
00:50:44.000Many Muslims, I believe, are cultural Muslims now who identify as Muslim because they're born as Muslim, their parents are Muslim.
00:50:50.000Are they following the strict adherence of the Quran?
00:51:00.000The problem, I say, comes when we have literal interpretations of Islam and we have literalist Muslims, whether they be Wahhabists, Salafists, certain sects of Islam that are radical and extreme.
00:51:12.000And so we can understand, there was a government, there's a Pew Research poll.
00:51:16.000If you look at what's been happening in France this last week, The riots, the mass disorder, the attacks on all sorts, whether it be religious buildings, churches, police stations, 12 police officers shot, all this chaos that's descended in the last week.
00:51:32.000France, 16% of Muslims in the Pew Research in France support ISIS. 16%.
00:52:00.000But we've still got to talk about the 23% who do.
00:52:02.000We've still got to talk about what ignoring this is going to bring, because ignoring it is going to bring the dissent and chaos you've witnessed this week in France, where all the men are shouting that they're Algerian, not French.
00:52:16.000All these problems, so long as you allow Qatar, Saudi and Iran to continue funding...
00:52:22.000The teachings of Islam in these countries, in Western countries and nations, which is what's been going on, you will get the extreme sex of Islam.
00:52:33.000Now, as you've said, it is important to point out the vast majority of Muslims are decent Muslims and the majority are But that can't stop us from saying, hold on a minute, yeah?
00:53:54.000Yeah, so it is important, and it's important in the sense, and it's important in the sense, whether you say Muslims or whether it be Jews, yeah, on this argument, because I've seen lots of the comments on here, Tommy Robinstein, he loves Israel.
00:54:19.000Yeah, they tell you that you're Mossad.
00:54:23.000But it's important in the same way that you don't just label Jews, you don't just label Muslims.
00:54:29.000Because per se, as I said, the problem is four times as many British Muslims joined ISIS, went to fight for ISIS, than they've ever joined the British military.
00:54:40.000Now, we've got to address the problem, or if you want to ignore it and call everyone Islamophobic and racist and just wait until, because the demographical change in Britain and in Europe and in France, with the Muslim birth rate, 5.6 children on average, we have 1.3.
00:54:56.000The demographics are changing so quick, so fast.
00:54:59.000But in that community, there's a big problem here.
00:56:21.000But I still think we need discussions on it.
00:56:25.000I still think if the rapes are out of control from a segment of this community, we need to know why.
00:56:30.000I still think we need to explore the teachings and understand the mindset of these groups of men who are coming here.
00:56:37.000I still think if you look at Pew Research and look at the thoughts of men in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan, it's not good.
00:56:44.000And then we're importing them into this country and then just sticking them in Luton Town Centre and wondering why there's a bit of a problem.
00:56:51.000It's like we have to have these conversations, but these conversations are conversations that no one wants to have.
00:57:17.000And obviously, you're always going to have people that take it to the extreme and do the radical things and fuck it up for everybody else, quite frankly.
00:58:04.000You know, the United States prioritizes national security to a higher degree than a lot of these other countries because, you know, after the Patriot Act, it prioritizes security.
00:58:13.000Now, I've always said that you can't have the utmost security without necessarily giving up some rights.
00:58:17.000That's just what happens a lot of the times.
00:58:19.000But in the UK, it seems like they're a bit afraid to go after the extremists.
00:58:22.000And my thing is, you have to go after the extremists because they make everyone else look bad.
00:58:26.000In every religion, in every sect, there's people...
00:58:28.000That are going to be bad, whether it's people from Israel, people from the Middle East, people from the United States, people from any country, Africa, wherever.
00:58:36.000There's always good and bad people, but it's always that small percentage that do some bullshit.
00:58:40.000And if they're criticized, they will go ahead and take out all the good that you say, right?
00:58:44.000And they'll say, oh, he's an Islamophobe.
00:58:46.000To me, it doesn't sound like you're an Islamophobe.
00:58:48.000To me, it sounds like you have an issue with a small percentage of guys that are out here using the Quran and using Islam as a veil of Yeah.
00:59:17.000It doesn't fucking matter what you believe as far as, oh, they've done this, blah, blah, blah.
00:59:22.000You can't kill innocent people for American foreign policy.
01:00:13.000As a veil to protect you for prosecution or being held accountable because you're not supposed to harm children in Islam, period, or kill innocent people.
01:00:20.000I don't give a fuck what anybody says.
01:00:22.000They're going to sit there and say, oh no, under this situation, or maybe this surah says this, and I can interpret it this way through my radical mind.
01:01:00.000I hear someone who has an issue with a group of people that are committing criminal acts and using religion as a veil.
01:01:06.000But if you go ahead and you have discussions about this shit and you let the person talk and you listen to what the fuck they got to say, you listen, wow, you're making a lot of sense.
01:01:15.000That's a problem I had, because all the interviews that he did in the past, he couldn't talk.
01:01:51.000So, I think my thing is, so where, because if you kill innocent people, but there's so many clerics who say what innocent is, that's the problem, which is where, say on the Islamophobe front, they say I'm an Islamophobe because I try to explore The reasoning or the reason given by many terrorists or many extremists.
01:02:16.000So then I look at it and say, is this link to teaching?
01:02:19.000Is there a link between what Mohammed said to do and what these men are doing?
01:02:23.000And I explore that, which is where the allegation prohibits that I'm not allowed to look or research any of those things.
01:02:31.000That's where I think Islamophobia has been brought in like a word, racist has been brought in to stop any decent discussion around solutions to these problems.
01:02:40.000And I think that the British government for so long, like, for example, on the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, I've spoke about this a lot more recently.
01:02:48.000I never thought deeply about those wars.
01:02:51.000You just said you signed up because of 9-11s.
01:02:54.000I believe that we've been played against each other for so long, all of us.
01:02:59.000I believe the open border immigration is just another major part of that.
01:03:02.000I believe the Muslim community being used as part of that.
01:03:04.000I believe the bringing down of Gaddafi.
01:03:06.000I believe the illegal invasion of Iraq, the removal of Saddam Hussein.
01:03:11.000When I think about all of it now, I'm 40 years old now.
01:03:14.000When I started the English Defence League, I was 25 years old.
01:03:17.000I was a young, angry man, but a young, angry lad with some of the things I've seen.
01:03:20.000As I look at the situation now, and I try to understand it from a Muslim's perspective, and I look at what happened in Iraq, and I look at the unlawful illegal invasions of country after country after country, and you think about the carpet bombing that went on and the innocents who were murdered day in,
01:03:36.000day out, the million people displaced and killed in Iraq.
01:04:04.000It's the same as what's happening now in Ukraine.
01:04:06.000They have been used to fight proxy wars, to destabilize.
01:04:11.000And the reason we have such extremism problems is because our government imported the extremists because it suited us to import them.
01:04:17.000We actually give them bases so they could fight against the Russians in Afghanistan.
01:04:21.000We actually helped create the radical Taliban.
01:04:24.000We actually helped create ISIS. We actually, our funding has supported these mindsets.
01:04:29.000Until it's come bit us on the arse, yeah?
01:04:31.000It didn't matter when these jihadists had their mindset targeted on other nations or other people.
01:04:36.000It's mattered now that the problem is coming home to roost because they're here, and they're in all of our countries, and you've given them safe haven.
01:04:42.000You've given them Muslim Brotherhood, organizational after organization of terrorists, of radical extremists.
01:04:47.000It wouldn't be his but to here, banned in most countries, not in our country.
01:04:51.000All these groups, all these organizations, and that's partly due to British government foreign policy, And the policy to disrupt and destroy nations across Africa, across the Middle East.
01:05:01.000And sitting back, when you look at that now, and you can sit and review the bigger picture of the world of where we're at today.
01:05:10.000And it's no difference to what we're doing in Ukraine now.
01:05:12.000If Ukraine was a Muslim country, it'd be exactly like we've done in Afghanistan, what we've done in Iraq.
01:05:18.000Yeah, growing up and looking back and looking at how those elitists have played us all.
01:05:26.000And I believe they want the scenes you're seeing in France.
01:05:28.000They have created the two different communities.
01:05:40.000Because as a lot has changed in the last couple of years with COVID, with the vaccine, with the New World Order, that there was a conspiracy with their central bank digital currencies that they want to implement with the 15-minute cities.
01:05:54.000When you start looking at all of it, it's like one big jigsaw.
01:05:59.000And essentially, whilst I've been head-on against Islam, I've been head-on against the indoctrination or the extremism and the problems that come with it.
01:06:12.000And they want you white, you black, you straight, you gay, you Muslim, you non-Muslim, whilst they just obliterate and take every one of our freedoms and play us all like absolute fucking idiots.
01:06:25.000There's a phrase that goes like, out of chaos comes order.
01:06:29.000And to answer your point as well, they've created the problem and then they create a solution to that problem.
01:06:56.000The Stop Oil protests in London that are funded by the globalists.
01:07:03.000So the globalists are funding these people who are protesting against the globalists.
01:07:06.000So the Stop Oil protests, who are all middle-class little hippies, they're bringing roads and bridges to a standstill, and the police have literally been told to stand down.
01:07:17.000Ambulances, people are dying, people can't get through the roads, and they're told to step down.
01:07:21.000Whereas the police could remove them, but they don't.
01:07:24.000So they let all this problem build up.
01:07:26.000The British public get that fed up because they're getting stopped for 12 hours every single week.
01:07:31.000The government, Rishi Sunak, the globalist, then brings in a new law to deal with protesters.
01:08:08.000I didn't used to buy the false flag theory on a lot of stuff.
01:08:12.000The more and more now when I look at the laws they pass and I look at what they rush through straight after any attacks, whether they've been part of letting the attacks happen, whether they've ignored them and allowed them to happen for their own beneficial gain, it just stinks.
01:09:18.000You can become a somebody regardless of what the color of your skin is.
01:09:21.000It's just that stupid people argue about these things and it keeps them arguing about that.
01:09:25.000I mean, it's interesting to me how, like, they'll have race wars or they'll have certain things come out And that will go ahead and be the leading coverage versus real news comes out.
01:09:35.000For example, when Andrew Tate got arrested, right?
01:09:38.000The day that he got arrested, Jeffrey Epstein, one of his financiers that was paying off the victims, got sued.
01:10:36.000It wasn't his views, necessarily, because a lot of things he says are correct.
01:10:40.000It's, you have too much influence, and we don't like this.
01:10:43.000And then on top of that, you take a country like England, right, which I'm learning more and more from listening to you, has no freedom of speech.
01:10:50.000They've been some of the biggest ones as far as the battery in the pack going after Andrew.
01:10:53.000I mean, banning him from school, putting...
01:11:41.000Have worked for decades and decades to weaken what a man is.
01:11:45.000They've planned and organised to weaken the resistance of men because they don't want strong men.
01:11:52.000Along comes Andrew Tate and in 12 months he's fired the bellies of the next generation of children to want to be fit, healthy and strong men.
01:12:23.000We're just giving you a quick call because in case people mention things to your daughter at school, because the year above, there's an education lesson and you come up in it.
01:12:33.000I said, OK, well, I already know what you're going to be saying about me and none of it's going to be true.
01:12:39.000So I know what you're going to be labelling me as or talking about me as in my daughter's school.
01:12:45.000What do you think of that as a teacher for safeguarding my daughter?
01:12:49.000Because you're going to label me as an extremist or a racist, yeah?
01:12:52.000So to all the non-white children at the school who believe your bullshit, yeah?
01:12:58.000They're going to believe that little girl's dad's a big racist, and you're telling them it in school.
01:13:04.000I had to get lawyers to contact the school to prevent them talking about me to my daughter's own class friends, yeah?
01:13:10.000And the children in the children's school.
01:13:12.000And I know from other schools, so I'm part of the national curriculum, is they bring up pictures, say, of Hitler, And they tell the story of that.
01:13:20.000And then they bring in, oh, here's Tommy Robinson.
01:13:23.000And they won't sound anarchy, but they bring me in straight afterwards and talk about how my views are dangerous.
01:13:28.000So that's part of their national curriculum.
01:13:33.000So my thing was worrying because once they deleted me off YouTube, once I was deleted, we have a public who can remember who I am because they've seen my content.
01:13:41.000Once they censor you, no one sees your content.
01:19:42.000And so to be able to fight everything that I know is coming or the problems, the problems seem minicule, no matter how big they are, when you're fit and you're level headed.
01:19:53.000But if you're in a bad position of bad eating habits, of bad drinking habits, of all of that, then everything comes on top.
01:20:00.000And that essentially, again, was through listening to Andrew Tate as well.
01:20:04.000I was sitting there listening to him as a fat, lazy shit.
01:20:06.000I was sitting there fat, lazy, and in bad shape listening to him saying, get up off your ass.
01:20:20.000I was like, man, everything I've done, I've just spent a decade of my life trying to raise awareness about problems and you've gone and influenced the entire next generation to something that I believe you don't really know that much about.
01:20:34.000I believe Andrew Tate Is in a position where he feels totally under attack and he should feel like that.
01:21:27.000So I believe that Andrew Tate, and I could see it coming, if I'm honest, through his talking and his views, because there's a lot of strong points that come from the Muslim belief that are to be applauded.
01:21:41.000Sometimes I could sit there jealous at the community spirit and the brotherhood that Islam gives them.
01:21:49.000So I think Andrew Tate has seen a lot of that, watched a lot of that, He talks a lot about God and about evil and I think even on my own journey as you're watching, there is satanic shit going on.
01:22:05.000So he talks about if there's a Satan, if this is all satanic and these rituals, which are very evident and in your face now, from music videos to everything.
01:22:13.000If there is this, then there has to be an opposite, which is Andrew Tate's belief and that's what's led him to this path.
01:22:23.000I'm disappointed totally that someone who talks so much of freedom, Would want to enslave themselves to another mindset.
01:22:34.000But when I say enslave themselves I'm talking about Islam in the sense of leaving Islam and apostasy and rules and laws around apostasy and being free.
01:22:43.000So if Andrew Tate wanted to say tomorrow that he wasn't a Muslim anymore can he say that?
01:22:48.000Is he free or will his life be in danger?
01:22:51.000So there's lots of things that I was disappointed with.
01:22:54.000Lots of things I'd like to have a frank discussion with Tate about which I'm looking forward to.
01:24:38.000I can respect anybody that's religious, because even, to be honest here, I'm not the most religious guy, and it's a weak point in my character that I need to fix, because I do think being religious to some degree, any of the three main religions of the book, I think you'd be a better person, but...
01:24:54.000I never knock someone for the religion.
01:24:56.000I think even if you're a Christian or Jewish, whatever it may be, it's good.
01:25:00.000I have an issue with the extremists, right?
01:25:01.000When it comes to, you know, you get the...
01:25:24.000You're right about that Islam solves certain problems, but just having a strong belief in who you are solves those problems.
01:25:31.000You don't need a doctrine or religion to follow to solve the problems of transgenderism or the woke community or any of these LGBTQ plus problems.
01:25:40.000You just have to know who you are and stop the sexualisation of children.
01:25:43.000The problem comes in the fact that most other communities, most other religions are scared.
01:25:49.000And they're not willing to stand on point, whereas the Islamic community are.
01:25:55.000They will not bend and they will not move from their position.
01:25:58.000And which should, I guess, be applauded.
01:26:02.000I think that I think that my situation and where I'm at in my life and the problems we face, we always viewed Islam as the biggest problem Great Britain faced and the growth of Islam and the Islamic teachings,
01:26:20.000I now view that the globalist agenda and the attack on our freedom is the biggest problem and the biggest solution to that We'll be the uniting of Christians, Muslims, and everyone else.
01:27:10.000The fact that 4 million have crossed your border, the fact that these boats literally just go 10 metres off the coast of Libya and they get picked up, the fact that they had to get rid of Gaddafi in order to flood Europe, the fact of all these things, whether it be the Barcelona Declaration or all these things that are quite documented about the...
01:27:26.000Planned mass migrations into Europe and the destruction of the nation-state.
01:27:36.000Everything that's happening to us is planned.
01:27:39.000It's whether we're going to sit back and allow it.
01:27:41.000And how do we get enough of us that are going to stand up against it when they're in control of big tech, they're in control of censorship.
01:27:49.000So what happens is people begin self-censoring They think something, they know something.
01:27:53.000So many people knew COVID wasn't right.
01:27:55.000So many people know the vaccine wasn't right.
01:27:56.000How many people were still getting the jabs?
01:27:58.000I see lads I know, lads walking in a mask.
01:28:02.000I said, what the fuck are you doing, bruv?
01:28:53.000So what you probably need is the biggest economic crash we've ever seen in order to wake the public up to what's happening.
01:29:01.000Because otherwise, because I questioned a lot of good friends when I started my activism, just saying, do you not actually give a shit of what's happening to our country?
01:29:14.000Their level of caring was about them and I had this with my ex-wife over the years trying to convince her That it's far bigger than our children, because she always talks about our children.
01:29:27.000I said, no, this is about an entire generation of children.
01:29:30.000This is about the entire next generation.
01:29:33.000So you look now, say, I'll go through the sexualisation of kids and the amount of non-binary children.
01:30:24.000And that is only going to accelerate because if you look at how fast things change and how quickly they happen, I think even from the President of the United States being censored on social media and deleted off of all social media to the To the crazy situation in general.
01:30:38.000What do you think of January 6th and the mess around January 6th and the FBI's involvement and the way they've portrayed it?
01:30:44.000And I believe all of that is to install fear into the American public about ever coming out in numbers against protests and anything.
01:30:50.000Locking them all up on solitary confinement, on bullshit, bogus charges.
01:30:53.000But I just think the situation we're in now is probably the most pivotal in time, certainly as humans, with freedom.
01:31:12.000We've gained access to the public ourselves.
01:31:14.000We can sit and listen to each other's opinions ourselves.
01:31:16.000We don't have to have people tell what they still do with our censorship is tell people who we are.
01:31:21.000Most people know me by what they're told about me.
01:31:24.000They haven't sat and listened to me in long form or had a discussion with me.
01:31:28.000Yeah, and I'm really glad that I sat down and had this conversation with you because, you know, what I've realized is when it comes to the mainstream media and what people put out or whatever, they put out the most ridiculous shit about you, especially if you're conservative to any degree.
01:31:40.000They try to make you look like a loon.
01:32:24.000So when we started the English Defense League, we started the English Defense League, and with regards to Israel, I said, if there's 52 Islamic nations, can the Jews have one?
01:32:33.000If there was 52 Islamic countries, can the Jews have one?
01:32:36.000I started my activism listening to a lot to Gert Wilders.
01:32:40.000Gert Wilders speaks about if Israel falls, everywhere falls.
01:32:43.000It's a beacon of democracy surrounded by Islamic totalitarian states.
01:32:47.000I looked at the Seven Day War, what the Islamic leaders of those countries said to the Jews they were going to do to their women and children when they took those countries.
01:32:54.000I'd looked at lots of things, but I'd also looked at growing up in Luton.
01:34:03.000When Jews remember the Holocaust in Luton, because there's no Jews left in Luton now, but when they were years ago, they had to lock themselves inside the town hall because they were attacked by all the radical extremists.
01:34:13.000This is Al-Majdine, the extremist organization, which are now a prescribed terrorist organization.
01:36:03.000I remember I was sitting talking to the air hostess, and we were talking about, we've just started this group, the English Defence League, it's mad, yeah?
01:36:09.000We're marching around, and the government hate us.
01:36:12.000And then as we pull up, as the plane boards, the doors pull up.
01:36:16.000Coppers are standing there, two coppers standing there with guns.
01:37:42.000I've been out on the piss the night before as well.
01:37:44.000So I'm sitting there thinking, oh, man.
01:37:46.000And I think I was in a hotel room at like stupid o'clock in the morning thinking, and that's when I made the decision, I'm going to America, yeah?
01:39:35.000On the Jewish question, if that's where people want to go as well, on the Jewish question, when I researched, when I've done my research into Hollywood and areas like this, I looked at the higher ranking.
01:39:50.000I think it was 60% Jewish owned, yeah?
01:41:08.000They don't have broke-down families like...
01:41:11.000I think the West now, especially Britain, there's more breakdown.
01:41:14.000There's the biggest percentages of breakdown in families, which results in problems for the children, which results in problems for education.
01:41:20.000So the Jewish community don't have that.
01:41:22.000They still have that close-knit community.
01:41:24.000So they excel in business, they excel in education, and they excel to the top of companies.
01:41:30.000I don't believe that, and I don't buy in to the fact that I believe when you look and identify some of the people who are behind a lot of, whether it be Black Rock or Vanguard, yes, there's Jews there, but there's also non-Jews.
01:41:43.000There's also non-Jewish families who are also bringing about the force of destruction of our culture and our identity and the nation state.
01:41:54.000And when you label the word Jews, which Kanye West done, which certain other people do, I don't believe that's helpful at all, because some of the best activists I know, Avi Yemeni being one of them, who's my friend, he worked for me, he's a journalist from Australia, he's a great individual, he's Jewish, he doesn't hate,
01:42:10.000So I believe the same way, which I was getting onto earlier, the same way it's important to say, it's not Muslims, per se, I have a problem with Islam, I say, and when people say, why don't you talk about Jews?
01:45:50.000If you bring politicians and political figures from Europe and you walk around this place and you're looking at it.
01:45:55.000And he said, we've had twice as much money as Germany had after the World War to rebuild.
01:45:59.000We're all still living in shanty towns.
01:46:01.000We forever will be living in these shanty towns.
01:46:03.000And when he mentioned the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian Authority who govern them, They pay the equivalent, for example, of £3,000 a month to anyone who comes out of that refugee camp and kills, and he corrected me, an Israeli citizen.
01:46:18.000So then I sat and looked at the whole conflict very different because I thought, you're hiring mercenaries.
01:46:24.000So what I always saw as religious happening in Israel, to then realise that this group who governed the Palestinians...
01:49:20.000It just wasn't what I'd been shown when I went there.
01:49:24.000And I went there from the concept of finding out the Jewish history side, finding out the argument on that side, finding out the Muslim side, finding out who's oppressing who, to give myself a bit of knowledge on it if I'm going to talk about it.
01:49:37.000And I understand there's wrongs, and I can understand why many people watch snippets of videos And get so angry.
01:49:44.000And I understand there's wrongs and how many people must be feeling on either side, but it's not as clean cut.
01:49:50.000And so when people say, are you a Zionist?
01:49:53.000To me, Zionism meant, when I first started the English Offensive League, what Zionist means is a homeland for Jews.
01:50:03.000Do I believe that Jews can have a homeland?
01:52:04.000And that, to everyone, is, see, he's Mossad.
01:52:07.000And they're not, you know, like, you know, in the tourist shops, I bought a T-shirt that said, yeah, Israeli Defence Force, in a tourist shop.
01:54:23.000And that video was ended up in the Sun newspaper.
01:54:26.000And it was a video that was in context is in a group chat of my mates who I've grown up with, and we're bantering and winding each other up.
01:54:34.000So these little things are taken that I'd go fight for Israel against Britain.
01:54:40.000Yeah, so let me say, I will say this, because, I mean, in the United States, I don't know, I'm not familiar with how much it's involved in British government, but here in the United States, you know, I mean, it's pretty much irrefutable that, like, you know, Israel has a very strong lobby in U.S. government,
01:54:57.000If you look at like an AIPAC or whatever, right, like 98% of their candidates win their general elections, right?
01:55:04.000So basically in the United States, if you don't align yourself with Israeli interests, you probably won't win your general election.
01:55:11.000So my thing is they have a lot of influence.
01:55:13.000And my thing is I look at it like this.
01:55:16.000You cannot be, and this might be a controversial take, thank God we're on rumble free speech, you cannot be a Zionist while simultaneously putting America first.
01:55:25.000You can't, because Israeli interests don't always necessarily align with American interests.
01:55:30.000What are you taking as the interpretation of Zionism?
01:55:34.000Zionism just means a homeland for Jews.
01:55:36.000Yeah, so it's pretty much the preservation of states for Jewish people, but namely Israel.
01:55:46.000So my thing is, I think, because here's the thing, Jews and Zionists are two different people, right?
01:55:51.000Because not all Zionists are Jews, right?
01:55:54.000And my thing is, I think the Jews should have a homeland.
01:55:57.000The problem is that they're taking it from Palestine, right?
01:55:59.000And that's not their land at the end of the day.
01:56:01.000You know, they've got it through England, and they're there, and they're basically occupying land that isn't theirs, to be honest with you.
01:56:07.000But my thing is, all the bloodshed, because it would be great if they could come to some middle ground, right, and end the bloodshed, but it's never going to happen, right?
01:56:19.000And since it's never going to happen, we've got to figure something else out, because at the end of the day, And here's the thing, too.
01:56:26.000It's American foreign policy with Israel that's put us in some situations where we've been attacked by terrorists, and no one wants to talk about this.
01:57:12.000Is there a difference between Israel and the American government in the sense of if you're looking at the wars and Iraq, was it for Israel or was it for globalist plans?
01:57:23.000Which is the people pulling the strings of the American government as well.
01:57:27.000I mean, you can make an argument that it was for the globalists as well.
01:57:29.000But, I mean, the Iraqi invasion 100% benefited Israel far more than it benefited us because it was our soldiers that died, you know?
01:57:38.000And we killed a bunch of Iraqi people and...
01:57:42.000You know, Israel didn't really end up taking a lot of the brunt.
01:57:44.000And then when you look back at 9-11, I mean, it's pretty much proven now at this point, there was Israeli intelligence involved along with Saudi Arabia, right?
01:58:13.000Allowed a terrorist attack to happen, right, on our soil, and used that as ammunition to evade a country that we should never have invaded in the first place that had nothing to do with the attack.
01:58:25.000But it benefited Israel significantly because they're getting 85% plus of their oil now from Iraq.
01:58:33.000So my thing is this, just to sum it up, is...
01:58:37.000Israel has a majority representation in American politics that doesn't necessarily always have America's best interests.
01:58:45.000And this is perpetuated as well in the media because the news obviously puts out certain things that doesn't necessarily reflect what might really be going on.
01:58:57.000Western media doesn't cover Palestine at all.
01:59:00.000If Israel attacks Syria, they're not going to cover that, unfortunately.
01:59:05.000My thing is This is why independent journalism is so important, right?
01:59:11.000This is why independent media is so important.
01:59:13.000This is why Fox and CNN are going down the tubes because they're not willing to report and tell the truth about what's really going on in the world.
01:59:26.000So that's the only thing I would say that I disagree with you on is I think Because, again, Zionists and Jews are not the same thing, right?
01:59:35.000I don't have a problem whatsoever with people that are Jewish at all.
01:59:38.000I think one of my best friends at college was Jewish, and he saved my ass from getting jumped.
01:59:42.000My thing is, I have a problem with guys that do anything for the preservation of Israel at the cost of the United States.
01:59:49.000At the end of the day, my allegiance to the United States, and a lot of the times, our interests in the United States don't align with Israel's, but we end up fighting a lot of their wars for them.
02:00:00.000So for the record, first and foremost, my protection and my love and everything I'd fight for is for England and no one else.
02:00:10.000And there's no one else that would come near to that.
02:00:13.000So I understand because some people said that, because this is a different interpretation of Zionism, because some people said Zionism means Israel first.
02:00:21.000I said, well, Israel doesn't come first to me.
02:00:23.000Nowhere comes first to me other than my homeland.
02:00:48.000And that was my last question to you, Tommy.
02:00:50.000In the end, in your belief for free speech, do you believe that you are patriotic or you're more, for example, just free speech of the truth in your...
02:01:01.000I'm patriotic and I'm tribalistic about everything and anything can always happen.
02:01:07.000So when I was at school, I wanted to fight for my school, against other schools.
02:01:11.000When I'm in Luton, I want to fight for Luton against other football clubs.
02:01:14.000In England, I would fight for England.
02:01:34.000And I think that they're That their freedoms are under attack and are at risk.
02:01:41.000So I'm patriotic, but then the fight for truth is as important as everything can anything.
02:01:46.000Because without the truth, without a platform to give the truth, everything else crumbles.
02:01:50.000So your freedom of speech while we're on the United States, just recently I was about to re-enter the United States.
02:01:58.000Because I was sitting there and I was aware that a film was about to come out that could risk me in two years in jail, that I'd get two years in jail.
02:02:06.000And I thought, where else is their freedom of speech?
02:02:08.000I don't think you really understand how blessed you are and how much you need to fight to protect it because they're going to come for it.
02:06:01.000Tommy, you keep taking shots at Muslims but would never dare debate Muhammad Hijab and you never question your master, the JQ. Myron, the genius, said he would discuss them boys with a rabbi.
02:06:10.000Oh, this genius said he would discuss them boys with a rabbi.
02:06:13.000Muhammad Hijab is on record as stating that you should be able to marry children.
02:07:25.000And the women fought, the women, the Christians fought together, the Muslim women and the Christians fought together to repeal and bring in a new law.
02:07:33.000That gave freedom against the apostasy so that people couldn't be punished with death for leaving Islam.
02:07:41.000That law was brought in in 2020 due to the pressure of the women.
02:07:47.000I think in 2021 they arrested four Muslims who had converted to Christianity again.
02:08:00.000But that apostasy law and things like that are the sort of things I'm passionate against defending, the same way the Muslim women were passionate against repealing it in Sudan.
02:08:21.000It's the women in Iran who have been massacred, who have been imprisoned, who have been killed, who have been beaten down for wanting freedom.
02:08:45.000And honestly, to me, listening to you talk, I'm like, wow, they misrepresent a lot of the things you say, man, to paint you in a certain light.
02:08:52.000I think for an interview to happen, the party must Just talk so you can hear the point of views first, then you'll rebel.
02:08:59.000If you just cut them off, then you can't really hear the point of view.
02:09:03.000This is why it's so important to have independent media, because people bring people like him on, right?
02:09:07.000And then they'll let them speak a little bit, and then they'll chop parts up to make them look crazy, and then they'll just attack them, attack them, attack them.
02:09:14.000So ever since we did our Flavor interview, I'm like, we're never going to do that to a guest again.
02:09:18.000We're never going to do that to a guest.
02:09:22.000Like, for example, what they did to us?
02:09:23.000They came out to shame them, to change their point of view.
02:09:26.000And he did that to Tommy, Paris Morgan, of course.
02:12:30.000I don't believe they believe in Jesus.
02:12:33.000This guy, he goes, why do you have so much energy against Muslims but you get real nervous and tight when Jews get mentioned you Zionist scumbag?
02:12:40.000We answered that question already, guys.