In this episode, we discuss the recent election results and the counter-protest that took place at the site of the vote recount. We also discuss whether or not it was an insurrection, and if so, how should we define what an insurrection is, and why it should not be seen as an overthrow of the government. We finish up the episode with some listener questions, and we have a special guest, Myron, join us for the end of the episode. We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for our next episode next Wednesday! Stay tuned for a new episode next Tuesday where we'll be discussing the results of the 2020 election, and the upcoming Supreme Court case against President Trump and the other 2020 candidates. Stay tuned next Tuesday for the Supreme Court hearing, where we will be joined by Andrew Yang and Myron Myles and James McFarlane, who will debate the case and give us their thoughts on the case, as well as some of their opinions and thoughts on it all. Thank you so much for listening and supporting the podcast, we really appreciate it. . Peace, Love, Blessings, Cheers, and God Bless. -Eugene and Cheers! -Jon & Myron -PSA to Jon & James. Don t forget to Like, Share, Share and Retweet and spread the word to your friends and family about this podcast! and all the other shit going on around the world about it! Love ya'll! -Jon and Andrew, Jon and James, too! -Drew, - Jon & Andrew, & the crew at The U2 Crew :D. Jon and the U2 Podcast -Davide and the Crew at the podcast Too Effing Outlawz -The U2 Project . . -JON & The Crew at , Myron & the Crew @ @ , and the rest of the crew @ ? ( ) AND THE PODCAST Thank You, Jon & the rest! , James McKEYS @ (and the rest at . , , & ... etc. & much more! & , etc., etc., And much more!! JON & Andrew at , JON AND THE BOOTY @ ANDREWS @ !
00:00:02.000Stop this now or go home instead of, again, waiting and capitalizing on the violence by making phone calls to people.
00:00:06.000Remember, when McCarthy called him, Donald Trump literally said, sounds like these people are a hell of a lot more mad than you are about this.
00:00:11.000Like, this is a man who is taking advantage of the violence every step of the way.
00:00:13.000You can't possibly look at this guy and think, man, he really wanted them to be peaceful when he's taking advantage of the violence the whole time and doing nothing to stop it when it's easily within his power to do so.
00:00:21.000So, since you say then that, you know, he essentially all but called for the insurrection by, you know, choosing his words carefully or, you know, however you want to say it, that my counter question to that would be, how could someone in his position want to peacefully protest The results of the election without you then saying it was an insurrection,
00:00:48.000being that it was the people at the site who ended up being violent, not because he called for it, it just turned into that.
00:00:56.000So how could Trump have otherwise called for a peaceful protest without you saying it was an insurrection?
00:01:02.000Well, one is sending them to the place where the vote was being certified is already a huge red flag, number one.
00:01:09.000Number two is you've spent really months getting all these people to believe that the election was stolen with no evidence.
00:01:16.000Number three is you've used multiple parts of your government to engage in lies over and over again about there being evidence of voter fraud, which there wasn't, and he knowingly lied about all of these things.
00:01:26.000And four, there's probably never an appropriate way to protest the certification of the vote.
00:01:32.000Because at that point, you're not protesting voter fraud.
00:01:34.000You're not protesting a court's decision.
00:01:37.000You're literally protesting the certification of the election.
00:01:40.000The electors already voted on the 14th of December.
00:01:44.000The election itself was already held on the 3rd of November.
00:01:48.000At that point, what are you protesting?
00:01:49.000You're just protesting the certification of the vote, the peaceful transfer of power.
00:02:05.000And then I'll go to my topic that I was going to ask you guys because I just want to shift the conversation a little bit, make it more interesting.
00:02:45.000I gotta admit, I personally, like, I fuck with both Destiny and Andrew as far as both ends of the aisle reign, like, debating-wise in the U2 sphere.
00:02:54.000I typically think Destiny has more intellectual, valid points, but throughout this little conversation y'all had, I think Andrew bodied you, and that's because of, like, I mean, that hippie statement, bro...
00:03:09.000If people are out all protesting, they're billing every four of your things...
00:03:14.000Best and worst dinner for your waistline.
00:04:27.000I don't think it does, a bunch of people.
00:04:29.000But would you agree that if a bunch of people smoked weed and they all decided they were going to show up and break into Congress to try to prevent them from passing some new law?
00:04:36.000That was the argument you made, though.
00:04:38.000The argument he made was if a bunch of hippies did all four of those arguments you made, and the one thing against the law that they were suppressing, because I was going to say this, too.
00:04:48.000Andrew's argument against the suppression versus doing illegal activities, doing a riot, that was his stupid fault for his argument as well.
00:05:01.000I'm not talking about that in general.
00:05:03.000I'm talking about Andrew was talking about, like, oh, they're committing crimes during their riot or whatever, and you were saying that's not them going against a law.
00:05:13.000Like, I'm agreeing with both of you in both of what you're saying, but...
00:05:19.000In his specific argument when he said those people are trying to smoke weed, I'm a little drunk right now, too, so my words are as coherent.
00:05:26.000But when he's saying they were going against smoking weed and there's a bunch of hippies getting together and smoking weed, you can't equate that to people overthrowing the government and say, yeah, that's insurrection if that's going with my definition.
00:05:40.000Yeah, smoking weed wouldn't be an insurrection.
00:05:42.000A crowd of people smoking weed wouldn't be an insurrection.
00:05:44.000Even if it covers all four of your bases that you were saying?
00:05:48.000One of them is by force or intimidation in order to overturn a law.
00:06:23.000Maybe it could be a fucking neighborhood of, like, anti-pot smokers or whatever.
00:06:26.000And they're like, we're going to go here, and we're going to start rioting and burning houses down because we want to have the fucking weed laws changed.
00:06:31.000It is bullshit that these motherfuckers, like, took weed from us, and they engaged in that behavior.
00:06:34.000I'd say, yeah, that's an insurrection.
00:06:35.000You've got an assembly of people that are trying to use violence, and then you're trying to change the laws, you know, that are affecting publicly everybody.
00:06:58.000So you don't think the definition of that should be changed or the words should be changed for an overthrowing of the government based off of your definition?
00:07:05.000Like your definition of crossing the cross, many boundaries.
00:07:09.000If you've got a bunch of people, even if they smoke weed, if they're committing acts of violence as a big group in order to pressure people to change laws, no, I don't think that's like a not serious thing.
00:08:04.000This is the argument I would make, also.
00:08:06.000And if any other caller wants to say this, I'm going to flip this on them.
00:08:08.000If somebody wants to give a different positive definition, then fine, go for it.
00:08:12.000But, like, I'm not going to sit here and play through every single of, like, the most absurd hypotheticals you can give me.
00:08:16.000If you want to argue against me, you're arguing against the historical and judicial record in the United States.
00:08:19.000If you want to give another definition of insurrection, that's fine.
00:08:22.000But it can't just be, what if two people go into the forest and they say, fuck the government, and they kick a federally-owned tree as hard as possible in order to...
00:08:30.000Yeah, I mean, we can probably find definitions around the edges that are like, well, I don't know.
00:08:34.000I mean, I guess technically this would be an insurrection, maybe it wouldn't qualify, but I'm not going to—yeah, if you want to give an alternate positive definition for it, then we can critique that one.
00:08:41.000This is the one that exists in the historical record.
00:08:44.000My main point was you could technically say a bunch of things was an insurrection, so let's not—like, if that's the case, then an insurrection, the word insurrection is not that serious.
00:08:55.000It's very serious just because there's a name for this.
00:08:58.000I don't know if it's the continuum fallacy or what, but just because you can't concretely define it every single edge of a particular thing doesn't mean that you can say, well, that thing doesn't exist or it's not very serious.
00:09:08.000We can imagine a ton of crimes that are very serious and not serious that are the same crime.
00:09:15.000Yeah, so I can say there are some insurrections that are probably really bad, and historically in the United States, there are some insurrections that probably weren't that bad.
00:09:22.000I think that whiskey rebellion was over fucking tax stamps.
00:09:25.000I think the biggest deal was that it was a big one, and it had to do with the first time the National Army had been mobilized for anything.
00:09:30.000But it probably wasn't that big of a deal.
00:09:31.000Every insurrection isn't the worst type of insurrection.
00:09:33.000I think this particular insurrection was really bad, but we can't even agree on what the definition of insurrection is.
00:09:37.000And the reason why is because Andrew knows if he gives any definition of an insurrection, it's either going to exclude everything from being an insurrection or it'll easily include January 6th.
00:11:27.000Yesterday I was reacting to it, and then before him was the state police from Pennsylvania, and then before him was Kimberly Cheadle, who resigned from the Secret Service director.
00:12:31.000Yeah, well, yeah, because I've been following the assassination closely.
00:12:35.000Like, that's a good point, because even myself, I didn't follow the...
00:12:38.000Like, the Baldwin thing, I guess to his benefit, the assassination attempt happened, and then you had the RNC and stuff, and, like, that's just what plagued the news.
00:13:47.000Literally just like the OJ case, you know, with Furman and everything else that happened where he was able to walk because, you know, just sloppy handling of evidence.
00:13:53.000And in this case, you got sloppy prosecutorial, you know, member people.
00:14:18.000I mean, I don't see any evidence that there was any broader conspiracy involved.
00:14:21.000I think that if anybody really was trying to do a conspiracy to get Trump, I don't think it would have been some 20-year-old retarded dipshit that's prone on a...
00:14:50.000Yeah, for me looking at the evidence, to me it looks, right now, you know, and of course my mind is open to be changed, but right now it strikes me as a single shooter.
00:15:00.000The FBI testified yesterday that right now it looks like a single shooter.
00:15:03.000And for those that are wondering, oh, it's a cover-up, it's a cover-up.
00:15:05.000Guys, trust me, with a case that has this type of media coverage, the FBI would love nothing more than to be able to say, we identified co-conspirators and we're going to go make an arrest.
00:15:14.000It doesn't benefit them to say it's a solo shooter.
00:15:18.000So, you know, because at the end of the day, these federal law enforcement agencies do want status, they do want recognition, they do want praise, and most importantly, that leads to funding from Capitol Hill.
00:15:28.000So a lot of times they want to be able to say, we did XYZ, do the press release, and, you know, walk the perp, etc.
00:15:34.000So I think that in itself defeats a lot of these, you know, insider, oh, conspiracy theories, whatever.
00:16:25.000He just literally drops off and hurts himself.
00:16:28.000And seconds after that, Crook starts taking the shots at Trump.
00:16:31.000And mind you, there was people yelling, he's on the roof, he's got a gun, he's got a gun.
00:16:34.000So, you know, you can only imagine the amount of adrenaline that this guy has because he didn't anticipate that people would find him so quickly.
00:16:40.000So he whiffed a bunch of the shots, which makes sense.
00:16:43.000But yeah, it's just wild that he was able to get in that position.
00:16:49.000He had explosives in his vehicle, which I could see why people think that there was someone else because it's like, how does this fucking 20-year-old that doesn't have...
00:17:16.000Yeah, I mean, I agree, but everybody's going to conspiracy theory everything.
00:17:18.000Literally any piece of evidence could have been released and people would have just said the opposite.
00:17:23.000If he had conversations with his friends saying, I'm going to go and get Donald Trump on my own, people would be saying, well, why didn't the friends say anything about it?
00:17:32.000Or if he would have not said anything to anybody but was talking about going somewhere else, people will always insert...
00:17:38.000If you have a conspiracy in mind, you can take any collection of facts and make them fit anything, so...
00:17:51.000What do you think about Cheadle stepping down as director of Secret Service?
00:17:56.000I don't know enough about the operational procedures or the management structure of the Secret Service.
00:18:02.000It seems to me that it's so funny because I don't know if you've ever thought of this, but I've always thought when I'm watching movies, when I'm looking at the president making a speech, I'm like, damn, how do they secure entire cities?
00:18:12.000Couldn't anybody from a fucking random window shoot at this president, dude?
00:18:16.000That's a big reason why they try not to do inner-city meetups in public.
00:18:21.000Yeah, I've heard somebody say that, but I don't know if that's real or if it was just like a Trump hater headline, but I think somebody had said that the Secret Service had been telling Trump, like, hey, we can't do events outside.
00:18:44.000He wants to be able to interact with the people, so he tries to keep Secret Service fairly far away from him.
00:18:49.000That's why they weren't as quick to respond to him, because he purposely tells him, hey, he doesn't want to give the image that he's weak, which I understand.
00:18:59.000No, yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree with you.
00:19:00.000I haven't dug into this that much because I haven't heard any crazy smoking gun things, but I guess, like, the weirdest thing to me is, I don't know, is it true, if you've watched this, is it true that the Secret Service, like, marksman had him, like, cited for minutes before he actually shot?
00:19:20.000When they brought Cheadle on, she didn't really give concrete answers to that.
00:19:26.000And, you know, some people didn't like that I said this, but I told people, like, Cheadle isn't the person you want to bring on if you want to get questions answered, because the issue...
00:19:37.000And I'll go through this very quickly, is that when you're going to subpoena people to come in and answer questions, the director is probably one of the worst people that you can bring in.
00:19:58.000Where she was saying, like, oh, well, you know, there's a lot of people in charge and there's multiple, like, layers to these operations.
00:20:02.000But, like, unless the Secret Service literally operates differently than every single thing I've ever seen in my life, and, I mean, you can tell me, you know, you work for a federal body, like, for any operation, for any given thing, there's always going to be, ultimately, one person who's accountable.
00:20:15.000Otherwise, how the fuck can anybody make any final decisions or, you You know, who do you talk to when things are fucked up?
00:20:20.000Like, there should be somebody you can go to who ultimately signs off on things.
00:20:22.000Even if it is just like a rubber stamp, like they don't actually go over it.
00:20:25.000There should be somebody at the end of the day who's responsible.
00:20:27.000And the fact that nobody was ever named, I think, is...
00:20:30.000But maybe she just didn't want to throw someone under the bus, or maybe people just weren't being diligent enough.
00:20:33.000Yeah, there's a multitude of reasons why.
00:20:41.000The problem with the director, and I'll speak, for your audience that might not be familiar with me, guys, I was a special agent with Homeland Security Investigations for seven years, three years as an intern, so I'm very familiar with how Secret Service works.
00:20:52.000I've done Secret Service details before, etc.
00:20:56.000All that said, the director of any federal law enforcement agency typically is more of a politician than a law enforcement officer.
00:21:01.000These guys sometimes aren't even agents.
00:21:04.000For example, Ray, the director of the FBI, was an AUSA. He never carried a badge and a gun in his life or did an investigation, but he's director of the FBI. And it's a political position.
00:21:14.000You're going out politicking with people.
00:21:22.000I say that because directors are so, they're like 10 chains above the people on the ground that actually are going to have the intimate knowledge that these hearings require.
00:21:31.000So the real person that they should have subpoenaed, they should have subpoenaed a few people.
00:21:36.000And I did a whole tweet about this, but I'll summarize it quickly.
00:21:39.000For the criminal investigation, you need to subpoena the FBI. And more accurately so, you need to subpoena the case agent from the FBI Pittsburgh office because he's the one that's running the actual investigation and making the decisions and dealing with the AUSAs.
00:21:55.000And then you can go ahead and bring his special agent in charge.
00:21:57.000Those two individuals are going to answer every single question that you have on the criminal investigation because they're the ones actually on the ground doing it.
00:22:04.000That's for the criminal investigation.
00:22:06.000I will say real quick on that though, people have to, and people have a really hard time understanding this, it is possible, especially in law enforcement, that you can fuck up your job really hardcore and be completely fuck for and get fired or whatever.
00:22:18.000It doesn't necessarily mean there was criminal wrongdoing, right?
00:22:48.000Now, as far as figuring out what went down on that date with the particular Secret Service detail, Cheadle might have some answers as a director, but the real person you want to bring in, and I actually mentioned this to one of the congresswomen yesterday on the Twitter space, Is that you want to bring in the head of Trump's Secret Service detail,
00:23:08.000who's probably going to be a GS 14 or 15.
00:23:11.000Typically that's going to be a supervisor or second line supervisor.
00:23:14.000Because for them to do that protection detail, they had to do something called an operation plan.
00:23:19.000And an operation plan in law enforcement is something that you have to put out every single time you're doing some form of enforcement action, whether it's a search warrant, an arrest warrant, anything that you're serving.
00:23:28.000And the reason why I say it is because the person that signed off on the operation plan is A, on the ground, that's one.
00:23:35.000Two, knows where people were supposed to be staged, call signs, radio equipment, who carried which guns, etc.
00:23:42.000And he will be able to specifically identify, down to the name, who was supposed to be at that building and where they're supposed to be located.
00:23:49.000So they asked a lot of really detailed questions that...
00:23:53.000You know, Chito might not necessarily know because she's too high up, right?
00:23:56.000Now, of course, people are going to say to me, well, Myron, she could have went ahead and spoken with these people and got these answers.
00:24:04.000Yeah, that's true, but nothing is as good from getting it from the source because anytime you answer a question, what comes next?
00:24:09.000They want a more specific answer on the follow-up, and she's not going to be able to provide that.
00:24:14.000So what they should have done was brought in the supervisors that were on the scene that day because, you know, I know the Secret Service tried to blame the local cops, But at the end of the day, it's on Secret Service because they're the ones that use the local cops and other agencies to augment their security details.
00:24:27.000Yeah, but while that's true, there's no shot that that hearing would ever happen in a public forum.
00:24:32.000Where you're talking about very specific details for how the Secret Service does security, that would always be a closed hearing, right?
00:24:40.000But at least they would be able to get the answers that they want.
00:24:42.000But again, I genuinely believe that that bringing Cheadle in was just a dog and pony show and clip farming.
00:24:48.000Like if you look, some of the people were super rude to her for no reason, saying she's bullshitting blah, blah, blah, all this, which I get it.
00:24:53.000There's outrage and you needed a whipping boy.
00:24:55.000But she's not going to have the answers.
00:24:57.000And then the other thing they asked her too, which I thought was very interesting, they asked her about a lot of internal matters as far as like people being fired, etc., Well, she's not going to be the right person to ask because if you want to go ahead and get into that type of stuff like what you were talking about before, gross negligence, all these things, well, some of these things are administrative violations and then some of these things could potentially even rise to criminal.
00:25:17.000Well, the only two agencies that are going to do that, it's not going to be her.
00:25:20.000It's going to be something called the Office of Inspector General, DHS OIG, and then it's going to be Secret Service Office of Professional Responsibility.
00:25:27.000I know people are saying, Mara, what the fuck is the difference between the two?
00:25:31.000Secret Service OPR is going to be handling the administrative stuff.
00:25:34.000They're going to make sure that the guy that shot the fucking dude was using the proper weapon, it's within Secret Service guidelines, it's a service weapon, he was using the right ammunition, admin shit.
00:25:45.000Then OIG is going to investigate anything that's potentially criminal.
00:25:49.000Whether someone lied on a forum or anything else like that.
00:25:52.000So those guys are going to be the ones that are going to be privy to anyone being fired because they're going to have to do their own independent investigation, which Cheadle doesn't have access to, by the way, guys, for a multitude of reasons, right?
00:26:01.000Because it would be a conflict of interest if she had access to that.
00:26:06.000There are outside investigative agencies that investigates them, so she wouldn't even have access to or have the answers for those internal questions that Congress is asking.
00:26:14.000And then also another thing I noticed when they were...
00:26:37.000A lot of these people are trying to get re-elected and do a dog and pony show, which obviously I get what it is, but it's like, bro, the American people deserve better.
00:26:45.000Ask real pertinent questions to the actual assassination, which is why this guy's fucking here.
00:26:52.000They're asking about the FBI, DEI, and all this other stuff that's not relevant, which I thought was ridiculous.
00:26:56.000I don't know if you had seen any of the hearings.
00:26:58.000I watched a little bit of her, of them asking her questions about, like, who was ultimately responsible for the plan, but that was it, yeah.
00:27:04.000The open congressional hearings are kind of boring to me, but usually, like you said, it's just people are literally farming for TikTok clips.
00:27:09.000Yeah, yeah, like AOC and all these people, Mace, like, they were just looking to, with Cheeto especially, bro, like, they were just trying to cook her, you need to resign and all this other shit, you know, and there were, like, 200,000 people watching.
00:27:19.000You could see it on the YouTube chat, people were like, woo, like, cheering it on and shit.
00:27:22.000So, you know, it's human nature to want to watch things crash in slow motion, right?
00:29:02.000If they actually were doing weird, creepy shit in DMs with a minor or trading news or trying to fuck them in real life, I think that's really bad and that should be called out.
00:29:26.000Disrespect, I'm pretty sure, is accused of trying to arrange a meeting with a minor that he was trying to fuck in DMs and having multiple inappropriate conversations with.
00:29:34.000Well, nobody knows because no one saw the chats.
00:29:37.000Yeah, but those can't be leaked, right?
00:29:39.000Yeah, and I think the bigger thing here, which I think is the weirder thing, is that Twitch had this information from 2017.
00:29:51.000Disrespect started to be critical of a certain agenda.
00:29:54.000I don't know about that, but also keep in mind, Twitch didn't leak it.
00:29:56.000It was just some ex-employee from Twitch.
00:29:58.000I think, wasn't it Cody Connors or something?
00:29:59.000Yeah, but the point is that it had been there for years and it didn't get leaked until he started criticizing a certain agenda, which I thought was, you know, impeccable timing.
00:30:08.000I don't know if that's true now, but...
00:30:14.000I mean, you could say it's a coincidence, but the fact is that he made these comments and then two, three days later, next thing you know, people were saying that he had texted a minor on Twitch.
00:30:23.000And Twitch knew about this because remember that he got kicked off Twitch for a bit and then they settled out of court or whatever and he came back.
00:30:44.000I don't remember how many years ago, but when he got banned, he was gone.
00:30:48.000I don't know, someone in the chat confirmed for us or whatever, but I know there was some kind of settlement out of court.
00:30:54.000Well, my guess is going to be that there was some type of arbitration done for his contract, because my guess is going to be that if he got signed, if he got a huge deal to operate on Twitch, there was probably a huge lump sum of cash involved, and there were probably some terms, like probably 12 or 24 months.
00:31:11.000And they were obviously terminating that contract early.
00:31:13.000And I'm sure that there were clauses for like a moral clause to terminate early for whatever reason.
00:31:16.000But then I'm sure that they've got arbitration clauses in there for like, well, if you want to just grant some things, Dr.
00:31:19.000District probably had a lot of money coming to him and he wanted to fight over it.
00:31:22.000And he probably had a little bit of leverage because Twitch probably doesn't want it going public.
00:31:25.000The big streamers they've signed have been inappropriate with minors and DMs.
00:31:28.000So when their settlement, I doubt it was like some legal, like it wasn't like some criminal court thing.
00:31:33.000They were just like probably settling the terms of his contract before he left the platform.
00:32:57.000One huge comprehensive one, and then a second one for a quick 15-minute debate.
00:33:01.000And then I'll go from there and see who wants to argue over it, yeah.
00:33:03.000So real quick, and I'm playing devil's advocate here, right?
00:33:07.000This is not my particular wheelhouse with January 6th.
00:33:11.000A lot of people feel very strongly about this.
00:33:13.000One of the big things that people use, and I think Andrew had mentioned this during the debate, was Trump had put out a tweet saying, hey, we need to peacefully protest, etc., and that tweet was deleted.
00:33:24.000This is a talking point that a lot of people use.
00:33:27.000Can you tell me what your rebuttal would be to that presumptive argument, and what's your viewpoint?
00:33:38.000Yeah, without diving into the details of everything, basically, there was a pretty long-term plot from right before the election to after, right up to January 6th, where Donald Trump was trying to find a way to hold onto power.
00:33:50.000So after they lost the election, he knew prior to the election that the votes were probably going to turn over at night.
00:33:57.000So he tried to end the election, like the night of.
00:34:07.000He's going to stop the count, what, like a day before, you say?
00:34:09.000Donald Trump didn't want the mail-in ballots to be counted because he knew that those were heavily going to skew democratically.
00:34:15.000Everybody knew this, and his own people were telling him this.
00:34:17.000So he wanted the vote to stop immediately.
00:34:20.000And other people have come out, like Bannon and I think even Barr, other people have come out saying, like, yeah, everybody was telling him this and he knew it was going to happen.
00:34:29.000That's why he's trying to get the vote stopped.
00:34:43.000Georgia's the big one, which is why he got the RICO charge, right?
00:34:46.000There are RICO charges in Georgia, and Georgia was a lot of the big ones.
00:34:49.000Georgia was probably some of the worst, the most egregious offenses.
00:34:51.000It was him calling Raffensperger, which was wholly inappropriate.
00:34:54.000It was him calling the election investigator, which was wholly inappropriate.
00:34:57.000And then it was him and his campaign making the same false claims over and over and over again about voter fraud against Ruby Freeman, saying that she counted the votes three times and that they brought in this mysterious ballot box filled with a whole bunch of ballots, that they started to count again after night, that all of these things,
00:35:42.000Every single one of those claims is a lie.
00:35:45.000Moving forward, there was a guy called Kenneth Chesbrough.
00:35:48.000And then through Eastman, they basically concocted this legal theory that was going to make it so that if they could have basically Pence Do you know why?
00:36:22.000On what grounds he didn't want to, why did he not want to do it?
00:36:24.000Like, what was his specific, like, I know there's probably a multitude.
00:36:26.000He had all of his legal team look at it, and it was wholly, wildly illegal and unconstitutional.
00:36:30.000There's no way that he had the authority to do what Trump was asking him, and what Eastman was demanding that he could do.
00:37:12.000So when you go to do a vote at the ballot box, what you're actually voting for are electors.
00:37:16.000And when you vote for a particular candidate, you're voting for the electors that will, on December 14th, get together and actually certify their vote and transmit it to Congress for the counting on January 6th.
00:37:28.000What Trump did was he got his team to run to all seven states of the quote-unquote contested battleground states and have the Republican electors send in fake slates saying that,
00:37:44.000hey, we're just saying, by the way, Yeah.
00:38:44.000The information that recently came out on Fannie Willis and having an improper relationship with one of her attorneys, how do you think that's going to affect the prosecution?
00:38:55.000Yeah, because she's the one that literally was the main crusader in this whole Rico case going after Trump and after going after Young Thug as well.
00:39:03.000She basically used the same Rico statutes on Trump that she did for Young Thug.
00:39:08.000I don't know enough about, like, I haven't dug into the relationships there to have a strong opinion on it, so I have no idea.
00:39:14.000If there's improper relationships, it's not good, and they issue to recuse themselves or get fired or whatever the fuck, but I haven't dug into any of that.
00:39:20.000Yeah, like, there's a whole bunch of bullshit.
00:39:22.000Like, I mean, for example, the judge on Young Thug's case actually had to recuse himself because he had a ex parte meeting that he wasn't supposed to have without the defense present, and it caused a lot of issues.
00:40:16.000Yeah, but so what happened was during the immunity case, which I think the Supreme Court gave a wild ruling there, but in the immunity case, Clarence Thomas wrote a concurring opinion where he just decided to opine on whether or not the special prosecutor was constitutional, and he decided to write a bunch of shit saying,
00:40:49.000Which, I mean, that's definitely going to hit the—I think it's going to go up the appellate courts into the Supreme Court for sure.
00:40:58.000But, I mean, since, like you just mentioned, Clarence Thomas was the one that kind of started this wheel train, I don't think that the Supreme Court will overturn her ruling down here in Florida.
00:41:20.000I mean, I will say that it was, I was surprised.
00:41:23.000And it came literally like a day or two after he almost got assassinated.
00:41:27.000But I do think that that was, if you had a, you know, axe to grind against Trump, you know, I like Trump, so I know me and you disagree on that.
00:41:36.000But I do think, as a Trump supporter, that was the strongest case against him, because when it comes to national defense information, I know a lot of people always say, oh, well, he could declassify the documents.
00:41:49.000The thing is, is that when it comes to the Espionage Act, the 18 U.S.C. 793, it doesn't have to be classified for it to still be a violation.
00:41:56.000It can just be national defense information.
00:42:22.000But yeah, that was I think the strongest case.
00:42:25.000And I think with them getting rid of that classified documents case, that effectively pretty much is destroying the Washington D.C. case because Jack Smith is prosecuting both if I'm not mistaken.
00:42:37.000Well, I don't think people agree with Canada's decision to toss that case.
00:42:40.000I think I've seen people say it's more likely that she's just going to get removed from it.
00:42:43.000But I mean, it's effectively stalled out until past the election, which is the only thing that matters anyway.
00:43:37.000So when Obama goes to the Office of Legal Counsel to solicit an opinion to see if he thinks that he has the legal authority to do a particular thing, and when Obama didn't say, like, when I do this decision, no court can review what I do, I think that that is meaningfully different than when a president embarks in what is really a private capacity to further entrench his own power in acts that we would clearly say are criminal acts.
00:43:59.000Like, I think that regardless of whether you like Obama or not, You would agree with this.
00:44:03.000Let's say that it came out that Obama's wife had cheated on him with this guy, and he drone-striked a dude.
00:44:08.000I think everybody in the US would be like, bro, what the fuck?
00:44:13.000Nobody would be saying, well, hold on.
00:44:14.000It isn't his power to drone-strike people, right?
00:44:19.000Whether or not you think that the president should have the ability to do that, he was probably operating as the commander-in-chief of the United States with ownership of these yachts.
00:44:27.000I think it's a lot different than a lot of the conduct for Trump.
00:44:30.000Nobody is saying that, like, well, yeah, I think that Trump was legitimately acting as the interest of the president of the United States when he was telling his attorney generals, I need you to send out fake letters to all the states saying we found voter fraud, which is what that immunity protected him from, one of the actions that Roberts declared.
00:44:44.000Yeah, because basically for the immunity clause, all they need to display is that the president was acting under some official capacity.
00:44:52.000And he'll be immune, which you can make the argument, right?
00:44:55.000And I know this would be a debatable thing and you might not agree with it, but you could make the argument by him calling and saying, we need to fucking figure out if this is a legitimate election, where these votes come from, etc.
00:45:05.000You could make the argument that that was him acting in an official capacity because he's trying to ensure that election integrity.
00:45:15.000Yeah, I mean, I would say it's not a good argument, but every court will now have to.
00:45:18.000Yes, because now the defense is immediately going to be, well, we're presumptively immune to the power of the president.
00:45:22.000You need to argue why intruding on this, not only do you have to make whatever argument that there's a crime here, you have to show that intruding on this won't have a negative impact on my acts in the future, that this intrusion isn't going to inhibit my ability to operate as the executive going forward, which is, yeah.
00:46:53.000And the only person that died was the woman who was shot by the cop.
00:46:56.000There was no investigation on the cop.
00:46:59.000And I mean, what are your thoughts on that?
00:47:02.000Because I don't think it was an insurrection at all.
00:47:05.000Yeah, just every single fact you brought up I think was incorrect.
00:47:07.000So when you say that we know there were bad agents, there's no proof of that at all.
00:47:10.000When you talk about people being led around, the first people that got into the building broke into the building.
00:47:14.000For people that were being led around, it was because you had like tens of thousands of protesters and then people that were starting to pour into the building and you had like, what was it, like fucking 100 cops or whatever?
00:47:44.000That's because the cops didn't have the manpower to deal with everybody.
00:47:47.000So they were just kind of like shepherding people around to places where there weren't congressmen, where there weren't lawmakers that were trying to retreat.
00:47:51.000So the first people in the building indisputably broke in.
00:47:54.000And when cops were leading people around, you can literally watch one of the videos where I think it's the black cop is going up the stairs and he looks to the left and I think There are literally lawmakers down the hall, and he kind of like pushes a guy and goes to the right, because they're leading people through, which is common even when it comes to riots and stuff.
00:48:06.000Police will lead people down streets or down corridors to crowd them into certain areas.
00:48:10.000They just didn't have the manpower to deal with that event.
00:48:12.000When you say we know that Ray Epps was there, we know that the day before, Ray Epps shouted stupid stuff, and that's on camera for sure.
00:48:18.000Yeah, we call them aside also for Yeah, that's fine.
00:48:20.000There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
00:48:22.000There were a lot of people that were calling out for going into the Capitol and everything.
00:48:26.000Again, all the video footage is available on Rumble.
00:48:28.000You can see the day of, you know, there are people like Nick Fuentes, who very suspiciously didn't catch any public charges, really makes you wonder, who were shouting like, let's go in, whatever.
00:48:35.000You can see him on video, everybody shouting it.
00:48:37.000On the day of, you do not see Ray Epps anywhere calling for violence.
00:48:40.000Every video that I've seen of Ray Epps on the day of January 6th is usually him telling people to be chill or calm down.
00:48:45.000There's only one video that shows somebody breaking down a fence.
00:49:26.000Yeah, if you can find it, that's great.
00:49:28.000However, while the riot was raging on, okay, while the insurrection was raging on, there were multiple people that ran to the Oval Office begging Trump.
00:49:37.000Trump Jr., Ivanka, I think even Meadows, I think Cipollone, like so many people went and they're like, you have to stop this riot, you have to stop this insurrection, you have to stop this violence, please tweet, please send it.
00:50:20.000I'll tell you, he made calls to lawmakers telling, hey, maybe you should delay the certification of the vote.
00:50:23.000It wasn't until three hours after the violence started that he finally made the tweet once it was winding down saying like, OK, hey, guys, I think it's time to go home.
00:50:30.000So that tweet that he did where he called people to go home, this is after hours of begging by so many different people in his White House counsel and his family were begging him to tweet.
00:50:39.000And then at the very end, when you said Pelosi said the Capitol Police should stay down, I think Pelosi and Mayor Bowser, I think they fucked up when they didn't ask for more Capitol Police to be there.
00:50:46.000However, Donald Trump never—there were some.
00:50:48.000There just weren't very many, and most of them were doing traffic control.
00:50:50.000The reason why they weren't there is because people were worried that Donald Trump would try to use the National Guard or military to do some weird shit, and they were really worried about that.
00:50:57.000And I think in the end, obviously, that ended up not being the greatest decision.
00:50:59.000But when Donald Trump asked for 10,000 National Guardsmen to be there, that wasn't an official request put in.
00:51:04.000It was a random conversation he was having with—I think it was with Milley.
00:51:07.000He said, maybe we need 10,000 guards there to protect my people.
00:52:31.000Guys, hit us with your question and or comment.
00:52:33.000Hey, so I was kind of curious for Destiny.
00:52:36.000I had watched your interview with Pierce Morgan the other day and you had said that you did not want to disenvow the shooting of Trump.
00:52:46.000Are you willing to talk about that tonight?
00:52:49.000Because I think that was a really low thing to do considering who he is, what he's done for the country, and you're kind of just a small little person.
00:52:59.000It's a whole thing to get into, but just basically, conservatives don't take responsibility for literally any of the violent rhetoric or actions they've engaged in in the United States.
00:53:05.000So the idea that they would ask for sympathy when something happens, I think, is a little bit ridiculous.
00:53:09.000When you look at their rhetoric around January 6th, when you look at their rhetoric around Paul Pelosi, when you look at their rhetoric around anything else, conservatives seem to be gleefully shouting and making jokes about and making fun of and calling conspiracy on everything.
00:53:18.000So I don't think anybody owes them any kind of sympathy or anything if a bad event is happening to their...
00:53:37.000Well, you know, but also at the same time, you had Kamala Harris during the whole Black Lives Matter riots.
00:53:43.000Encouraging more rights, encouraging more violence.
00:53:46.000So in my eyes, I don't know how you would be able to even comprehend that Trump is actually inciting more violence when you have the left literally going on TV and advertising to go ahead and be disruptive to Republicans.
00:54:18.000What were her statements where she was like inciting?
00:54:19.000Was she saying like, you guys need to go and blow up courthouses or you guys need to go and...
00:54:22.000She was encouraging the supposed quote-unquote peaceful protests, which in turn, anybody with half a brain could see that those were not peaceful.
00:54:32.000And all you people do is you change the definitions of things in order to make the garbage that in all reality is evil to sound less evil so that way you can feel good about it and actually...
00:56:24.000Well, obviously I know you're not going to vote Trump.
00:56:26.000What are your thoughts on Kamala taking the helm and more than likely being the Democratic nominee?
00:56:33.000We'll see how it works in a couple weeks.
00:56:35.000So far, it's going better than I expected it to, but I think that conservatives are having an issue, not to sound like a woke-tart or whatever, and conservatives don't have to listen to me, but I think that conservatives are making a huge strategic error right now in being so fucking unhinged in their racism and sexism against Kamala.
00:56:48.000I think that they need to stick to way different kinds of attacks, and they're going mega unhinged right now, and it's probably going to hurt them if they continue it.
00:56:54.000So in that way, I guess Kamala was a good choice on my end, but I guess we'll see what happens.
00:57:41.000Yeah, Mehran, I wanted to ask, what do you think about Israel and Netanyahu having significant influence over the U.S., and why are all the presidential candidates Zionists?
00:58:12.000My tape's going to be hugely unpopular here.
00:58:14.000Old people like Israel because Israel's like the democracy in the Middle East, and they saw Israel as like this underdog getting bullied by all these Arab countries.
00:58:21.000That's why old people in the U.S. love Israel.
00:58:22.000That's not going to change ever until they all get old and die.
00:58:33.000I think that that's been demonstrated, like, with extreme efficacy in the past, like, seven or eight years.
00:58:38.000They cannot control any media narrative to save their life.
00:58:40.000Nobody will believe me on that now, but that's fine.
00:58:41.000But I think that the people to look out for are, I would say, it's Qatar, Iran, China, and Russia, I think, for, like, controlling media narratives.
00:58:49.000I think those are the huge things that we have to look at going forward, but we'll see.
00:58:53.000And Louis, to answer your question, bro, I genuinely don't believe that you can ever, well, maybe in the future one day, but nowadays you can't be a politician in the United States of any real consequence unless you support AIPAC. That's just the reality nowadays.
00:59:06.000So maybe things will change later, but for now, that's just one of the realities of being any type of politician in the United States with real influence.
00:59:18.000And we could definitely have a discussion on that, Destiny, which I won't even get into, like, with the news and stuff, because we're on YouTube, and obviously it's a very long conversation.
00:59:26.000I know we're short for time here, but that could be another day.
01:00:32.000The reality is, is the people that are the most successful in life, this applies to every area of life too, okay?
01:00:37.000It's not the people that are able to make these lightning-fast decisions and figure out what they need to do on the fly.
01:00:41.000It's people that prepare themselves and put themselves in situations and environments where they can succeed, all right?
01:00:48.000When a police officer is dealing with, I don't even want to say a suspect, but really with anybody that they're not fully comfortable with, there are reasons why cops say, hey, Let me see your hands.
01:00:58.000Or if they're doing even a small detainment investigation, they'll say, like, can you come and sit over here on the sidewalk?
01:01:03.000Can you just, like, keep your hands on your knees?
01:01:05.000If they want, maybe they'll zip tight.
01:01:07.000Like, just so I can see what's going on.
01:01:09.000The reason why you do that is because you never want to be in a situation where an old lady has a boiling fucking pot of water that you send into the kitchen and is about to fucking throw it at you.
01:01:18.000At the time that the lady goes to throw the boiling pot of water, am I very critical of the cop shooting her?
01:01:23.000I mean, she's close enough to do some fucking damage.
01:01:26.000She gets a whole boiling pot of water.
01:01:27.000At that point, I kind of get it, but there's no way that it should have gotten to that point.
01:01:32.000I have no fucking idea why law enforcement would allow a lady who seems fucking insane, and she has seemed insane up to that point, why would they let her walk to the kitchen unaccompanied, To turn off a boiling pot of water on a stove when they have no fucking idea what's going on.
01:01:45.000I think that the officers just fucked that, the handling of that situation up.
01:01:48.000And they put themselves in a situation where they had to make an impossible call on, like, shooting a lady who's got a huge pot of boiling water that she's trying to throw at this cop.
01:01:55.000And I think it was fucked in that way.
01:01:57.000So when people analyze the shooting, usually when cops make mistakes, it's not because they made the wrong split-second decision.
01:02:03.000It's usually because they weren't being careful in advance to make sure that they had the people that they needed sitting on the sidewalk, their hands cuffed in advance, to control the situation, essentially.
01:02:16.000I think it's a clean shoe, contrary to popular belief.
01:02:19.000I think it's a 100% clean shoe, and I'll tell you why.
01:02:22.000And I can tell you guys this from being former law enforcement, understanding use of force and using lethal force.
01:02:28.000You are not judged on 20-20 hindsight.
01:02:30.000You're judged on the facts that were visible to you when you decided to pull that trigger.
01:02:34.000So this is why, which is this happens all the time, a police officer will shoot someone that what they thought was a gun because it ends up being a toy gun.
01:02:42.000Because they had no knowledge that it was a toy gun until after the person was shot, but they were operating.
01:02:47.000We don't judge them on 20-20 hindsight.
01:02:49.000What were the facts available to them when they showed up on the scene?
01:02:52.000In this case, It's important to note that they go to the house and the woman has this boiling water and she takes the boiling water and she doesn't follow lawful commands.
01:03:27.000When he sees her, she's coming back up like this and she's about to hurl the water on him and on top of that she says, Jesus rebukes you.
01:03:34.000Well, I don't know about you guys, but anytime someone says something like, Jesus rebukes you, something's about to come your fucking way that you're probably not gonna like.
01:03:41.000Sure, but the issue I think with the cops handling that is if you watch the video, this lady is wacky.
01:03:48.000Like, when I first saw it, I was thinking either mental health or drugs.
01:03:53.000And the cops, even prior to her going to the kitchen, like, the thing that made me scary, and I... I've seen so many cop execution videos of cops getting killed.
01:04:00.000The thing I always get scared of is like, oh, fuck, this person's reaching into a bag and the cop's not paying attention.
01:04:29.000They should be saying, tell me what you want to get, and I'll go get it for you.
01:04:32.000Or you say, okay, sure, can you come with me?
01:04:34.000You don't want to be disappearing into fucking rooms, and then a cop hears something or whatever, and now you've got to come out of the fucking dark.
01:05:06.000When you're a police officer, right, and you're showing up on a 911 call, a lot of the times you have limited facts that you're operating on.
01:05:12.000You're operating on what they tell you, the dispatcher tells you.
01:05:15.000Right now, we can Monday morning quarterback you all day and say, dude, this lady was crazy.
01:05:49.000This is where me and you can agree to disagree, but insanity isn't an excuse.
01:05:53.000Whether the person is sane-minded or not, the police officer or the law enforcement official still has the right to defend themselves regardless of the person's mental capacity.
01:06:03.000Because like I said before, they don't know what her mental capacity is.
01:06:07.000Of course you can infer, this dude's a little off, whatever it may be.
01:06:10.000But regardless, if someone grabs a weapon...
01:06:13.000And I would argue that boiling hot water is a deadly weapon.
01:06:16.000You can absolutely use lethal force to combat that.
01:06:19.000And she did try to throw water on him.
01:06:20.000But the cop has a right to defend himself.
01:06:23.000That's why I'm saying at the point of the shooting, I get it.
01:06:25.000But if you think a person's crazy, this is why when a cop pulls over people or groups of people, they'll say, hey, can you guys get out of the car?
01:07:03.000The thing is, when you're showing up on a 911 call, right, and you're going to someone's house, it's not really...
01:07:10.000Because, okay, when you're on the job, they teach you to deescalate and keep things as chill as possible.
01:07:16.000Going to someone's home on a 911 call and telling them what they can and can't do, though, yes, you can absolutely do that, you want to try to minimize that because at the end of the day, you don't really have much authority, right, to be telling people what they can and can't do.
01:07:37.000Cops can do what they want to, what they need to, to keep themselves safe in the process of performing an investigation.
01:07:42.000If a cop pulls me over and they feel like I'm skittish as fuck and I got these huge codes on, the cop has every right to say, listen, sir, why are you detained?
01:07:50.000Can you just step out of the Get in the car and take your car off.
01:08:32.000But what I am saying is, based on the facts that I saw and how she went behind the counter, she grabbed the pot of water, it was boiling hot, etc.
01:08:57.000I agree, like, 99% of the time in these cases.
01:08:59.000But there are times where, like, the cop can say, like, hey, can you just, like, step out, or can you come over here, or whatever.
01:09:04.000Like, if a cop came into my house and asked me questions, I'm never...
01:09:07.000I'm never like running over into my bedroom to like grab shit or like shouting some shit at the cop because I know that like why the fuck like this guy doesn't know if I'm gonna fucking kill him he's got a fucking gun if any any escalation is gonna be one of us is dying right yeah like yeah I just I feel like that's the thing where you can call it an escalation but I mean like with the cop like assuming the only people that would get escalated on if you were to ask them like hey could you just like chill here with your hands out if they start to get irate about that well then they're probably gonna get irate if they disappear in another room as well like why risk it I Well,
01:09:33.000besides the shoot, and I'll just leave it, make this last point, and then move to the next person.
01:11:02.000I've been wanting to say this since that screen with D.L. Saint for that Leo guy, the one that called the Russian dude.
01:11:09.000If he does not, you need to apply on clearinghouse.
01:11:13.000If you have the driver's license in the States, his driver's license will be in that system and it will show him if his pilot's license are cleared and he's good to go again.
01:11:23.000And they have the option for him to take the class.
01:11:26.000You know, Chief Rocker, I'm sorry, bro, but your mic is really bad, dude.
01:11:30.000Like, you're kind of coming in and out.
01:11:48.000You know, what that dude said earlier, you know, about definitions and shit like that, like, I mean, the Oxford, like, I always go by dictionary definitions.
01:12:00.000I don't mean to, you know, beat a dead horse or anything like that, but I mean, you got two different definitions here.
01:12:06.000You got Oxford languages, a violent uprising against an authority or government, and then you got an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.
01:12:18.000Like, my thing is, is that, like, You know, like, people just aren't accurate enough nowadays.
01:12:24.000And, like, I mean, I understand, like, where Andrew Wilson was coming from.
01:12:28.000He's like, you know, hey, listen, like, the difference in between a square and a rhombus, like, listen, just because there's violence over here doesn't mean that it's, you know, insurrection.
01:12:37.000Now, I mean, that's not my own personal take.
01:12:39.000You know, I think January 6th was, you know, insurrection according to these definitions, right?
01:12:45.000Yeah, and the other comment that I was going to make was, you know, I mean, dude, that cop, I'm not letting somebody throw some fucking boiled water on me.
01:12:57.000Like, I know, whenever I was, like, 12 years old, like, my dad, I saw this guy, you know, we were watching the news, this guy, he, like, shoots this guy, like, comes at him, right?
01:13:06.000You know, pulls the gun, whips it out, bam, right?
01:13:35.000Where we just fucking yap on current events.
01:13:38.000Because we have different viewpoints on shit, but we're obviously able to articulate our points and let the audience decide what they agree with and what they don't agree with.
01:13:45.000Yeah, especially copper law-related shit.
01:13:48.000We could definitely do this periodically.
01:13:51.000Give me ones in the chat if you guys would like that.
01:13:53.000Me and Destiny chopping it up every now and then, talking about current events and giving different perspectives on shit.
01:13:58.000But no, I think Destiny, you guys, is going to go to sleep.
01:14:02.000I'm going to end the stream here, too.
01:14:03.000We'll be back live tomorrow at 7.30, and we'll probably do a Zoom call after that, and then we'll have an after hours for you guys.
01:14:10.000Destiny, where can the people find you, bro?
01:14:12.000YouTube or kick.com slash destiny, yeah.
01:14:16.000And, dude, obviously, I know you're getting a lot of fucking heat right now and everything else like that.
01:14:19.000Like I said, even though me and you don't agree on everything, I respect you as a colleague, and I don't wish anything bad happened to you and, you know, for these weirdos that are trying to make threats against your life, whatever, fuck them, bro.
01:14:45.000And guys, that right there is, you know, that's how you go ahead and do conversations or have conversations with people that you're diametrically opposed to.
01:14:53.000As you guys know, me and Destiny disagree on pretty much a lot of things.
01:14:58.000But, you know, we're able to have really good civil conversations and kind of let you guys pick and choose what you agree with and what you don't agree with.
01:15:04.000So, you know, despite people's personal feelings towards him, I like the guy.
01:17:23.000Guys, it's not easy, by the way, like, doing the stuff behind the scenes, you know, which I apologize for, that we accidentally turned the stream off before.
01:17:31.000I'm going to take accountability on that.
01:17:32.000Like, I didn't clearly explain that to the team, that, hey, stay on YouTube and rumble the whole time.