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00:01:58.720 The COVID-19 pandemic may be behind us, but as we hit the five-year anniversary,

00:02:07.220 there are still lots of questions and a lot of anger over how things were handled back then.

00:02:12.120 Hello and welcome to the Full Comment Podcast.

00:02:14.140 I'm Brian Lilly, your host.

00:02:15.780 We're on a hiatus until the new year, but wanted to bring you our most listened-to episode of 2024.

00:02:21.680 Back in June, I had the chance to speak with Vanessa Dillon, an award-winning director of the documentary,

00:02:28.220 COVID Collateral, and it shows how real scientific methods and debate were silenced,

00:02:33.280 even banished, as governments faked expertise during COVID-19 with the help of compliant doctors

00:02:39.400 and, quite frankly, a lot of journalists.

00:02:42.220 It features people like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, another former guest on Full Comment,

00:02:46.820 and the man that President-elect Donald Trump recently nominated to run the American National Institutes of Health.

00:02:54.880 I hope you enjoy the episode.

00:02:56.700 We'll probably never know the full impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on society,

00:03:02.580 be it health, be it mental well-being, be it the amount of pounds we put on,

00:03:08.040 or the bad habits that we picked up as a result of it.

00:03:11.080 But COVID-19 and the pandemic that saw much of society locked down had a huge impact on us.

00:03:17.380 Hello, my name is Brian Lilly.

00:03:18.940 Welcome to the Full Comment Podcast.

00:03:20.360 A new documentary tries to look at the unseen impacts of the pandemic, of the lockdowns,

00:03:28.060 of the government responses in both Canada and the United States.

00:03:32.400 Were the decisions being made driven by science?

00:03:35.360 Were they driven by politics?

00:03:36.660 Were they driven by polling?

00:03:38.200 These are some of the questions that we've asked and answered in the past,

00:03:40.880 but Vanessa Dillon, in her new documentary, COVID Collateral,

00:03:44.500 examines them again, including speaking to some voices that we've heard from in the past,

00:03:49.520 like Dr. Jay Batra.

00:03:51.160 Vanessa, thanks for the time today.

00:03:53.920 Well, you're welcome, Brian.

00:03:55.040 Lovely to be with you.

00:03:58.280 What was the reasoning behind making this documentary and making it now?

00:04:04.160 And I ask in the sense that the pandemic was a really dark time for a lot of people,

00:04:09.620 and many just want to forget about it,

00:04:12.020 don't even want to think about it or talk about it anymore,

00:04:15.040 and don't show me a mask.

00:04:16.700 So why go back to this topic?

00:04:20.600 Well, I think it's a very good time to go back to this period in our lives,

00:04:27.520 because I think there needs to be some accountability for the policies

00:04:34.100 which devastated and really upended people's lives.

00:04:38.420 What motivated me to make this film was not just the level of human suffering,

00:04:46.000 but also the fact that I learned that some of the policies were not based on science.

00:04:52.780 For example, early in 2020,

00:04:56.020 I noticed that there were some prominent scientists who were speaking up against lockdowns,

00:05:02.520 people like Jay Bhattacharya, that you just mentioned, of Stanford,

00:05:07.820 Dr. Scott Atlas, who was a really well-known public health policy scholar,

00:05:15.500 Martin Kulldorff at Harvard, and Sunetra Gupta at Oxford.

00:05:20.000 These were leaders in their field.

00:05:23.380 They were speaking out against lockdowns, saying,

00:05:25.580 we already have a pandemic plan in place,

00:05:28.840 and we do not have the science to justify lockdowns.

00:05:33.960 And based on their statements,

00:05:36.220 they were demonized by their own universities,

00:05:38.940 by medical institutions such as the NIH.

00:05:42.780 They were being called fringe,

00:05:44.480 and they were really being taken down in brutal ways by the media.

00:05:49.380 And at the same time,

00:05:52.400 I noticed that there was a discussion about the origin of the virus,

00:05:57.360 and that Dr. Fauci, as the chief medical officer in the White House,

00:06:02.380 tried to explain the origin of the virus as a natural evolution of animal to human,

00:06:09.880 from animal to human transmission.

00:06:13.860 You know, something that had jumped out of a wet market in Wuhan.

00:06:17.340 But there were many leading scientists who noticed

00:06:22.800 that there was this insert in the COVID virus genome,

00:06:27.880 this thing called a furrin cleavage, 1.00

00:06:30.420 which could only have been created in a lab.

00:06:35.360 So these leading scientists who sounded the alarm and said,

00:06:40.260 hey, this looks like a lab leak here.

00:06:42.760 These people were smeared.

00:06:43.900 Well, I remember writing on the lab leak theory early on,

00:06:49.000 and not from a critical point of view that just said,

00:06:53.740 oh, this is horrible, how dare we do this?

00:06:55.580 But it was, I think the first time I heard it was CNN or the New York Times,

00:07:00.920 and they pointed to a paper published earlier that year,

00:07:04.760 probably in January of 2020,

00:07:07.340 from scientists at a Chinese medical university.

00:07:10.740 And everyone was talking about the lab leak theory as a very real possibility.

00:07:16.700 No one said, oh, yes, for sure.

00:07:18.220 No one said, absolutely not.

00:07:20.240 And then Donald Trump mentioned it.

00:07:23.240 And suddenly this became a conspiracy theory.

00:07:28.780 And that to me was the beginning of, wow, this is incredibly political.

00:07:32.900 Because the president mentioned something that the New York Times and CNN

00:07:37.020 and medical doctors around the world have been discussing in academic papers and journals.

00:07:43.420 Because he mentions it, we suddenly have to discredit it.

00:07:47.340 That was shocking to me.

00:07:49.360 And that was early in 2020.

00:07:50.900 Absolutely.

00:07:53.420 And what we do see in the film is that through the access to emails between Dr. Fauci and his group of scientists,

00:08:07.440 we do see the early warnings from his own scientists saying,

00:08:12.380 you know, this does look like a lab leak.

00:08:15.800 Then what they did do, they did a huddle,

00:08:19.140 and they basically published an article in Science,

00:08:24.140 in the magazine Science,

00:08:28.560 saying that all the science points to the fact that this was a natural evolution,

00:08:37.060 that this all came out about, that the virus had escaped from a wet market and had jumped to a human being.

00:08:48.540 Now, why would they do this?

00:08:53.320 We do know that Dr. Fauci's department had been financing for a number of years

00:09:03.620 coronavirus research at the Wuhan lab.

00:09:08.440 So it would not have looked good for the public to actually find out that the coronavirus may have escaped from a Chinese lab 0.93

00:09:20.280 that was being financed by the U.S.

00:09:23.800 And we all saw the State Department cables that came out showing that State Department officials had gone to visit the Wuhan lab

00:09:32.340 and said, we're working with these guys.

00:09:36.160 The security is not up to our standards.

00:09:39.560 We need to invest more here.

00:09:41.900 And they weren't calling to invest more for gain of function or anything.

00:09:45.880 They said, we need to invest more here to make sure things are secure.

00:09:49.760 Yes, that's it.

00:09:54.360 What had happened at the Wuhan lab was that the FBI and medical officials knew

00:10:04.240 that the Wuhan Institute was classified as a level four biohazard lab.

00:10:10.360 That is the highest level of, let's say, danger in the world.

00:10:17.440 But they were functioning, as China will do, because they are rather careless about human beings and human health. 1.00

00:10:29.140 They were functioning at a level two, which is like your local dental office.

00:10:35.480 Now, the Americans had become so concerned about this.

00:10:38.620 A scientist called Peter Daszak, who was responsible, in a sense, for parceling out the American funding

00:10:52.120 to the different departments at the Wuhan lab.

00:10:56.620 He had become so concerned that as early as 2018, he asked for lab leak insurance from the NIH.

00:11:10.620 Wow.

00:11:11.380 And it was turned down.

00:11:13.020 So people knew many years ago that there was danger, that the possibility of a lab leak was very possible.

00:11:30.960 Now, because of where this lab is, we will never know exactly what happened, how, and why.

00:11:37.420 Because the government of China will never allow it.

00:11:41.920 You know, I'm talking the very minute details, Vanessa.

00:11:45.900 But once we get beyond that, and the virus is introduced to the human population,

00:11:51.720 there's a lot of questions to ask about the reaction.

00:11:56.560 And that includes Fauci's recent testimony.

00:11:59.360 And I want to point out that because America is the biggest player in the world,

00:12:05.540 people listened around the world to what Dr. Fauci was saying.

00:12:10.160 And his public health advice impacted public health advice here.

00:12:15.740 And he was asked in a deposition or a committee hearing, I forget,

00:12:20.260 where did this social distancing keep six feet apart?

00:12:24.500 Where did that come from?

00:12:25.380 Yes.

00:12:25.660 And he said, I don't know, it just kind of appeared.

00:12:30.220 Yes.

00:12:32.280 Yes.

00:12:32.940 Well, that was the, you know, it was, it seemed to be the same kind of somewhat careless attitude

00:12:41.580 about the imposition of lockdowns.

00:12:44.640 Because I don't, you know, one of the most revelatory things that we have in the film,

00:12:50.800 and it's really right at the very end, is Dr. Francis Collins, the former head of the NIH.

00:12:59.580 And he admitted in a confession type of interview, that during the COVID crisis,

00:13:08.800 there was one mentality there.

00:13:11.040 And it was the, and it was the public health mentality, which says that at any cost, lives must be saved.

00:13:19.380 So, he said, we weren't thinking.

00:13:22.500 They didn't need to, they didn't need to worry about the economy or social impacts.

00:13:27.920 Exactly.

00:13:29.000 So, what they didn't take into account, and he was very honest about this finally,

00:13:33.880 what that public health mentality did not take into account was the fact that damage from lockdowns can take many, many forms.

00:13:46.420 There's the social impacts, drug overdoses, mental health issues.

00:13:54.340 We all know that, we all know about all of the bankruptcies, all of the, we know how this,

00:14:01.720 how the lockdowns affected lower income people to a disproportionate level.

00:14:08.920 Not just the small business owners who went bankrupt, who lost their livelihood,

00:14:18.540 but there was a whole low-income group of people who didn't get paid unless they showed up somewhere to work.

00:14:27.340 I'm talking pre-vaccination here.

00:14:30.160 Well, even post-vaccination, we were still closing restaurants or putting limits on them that made them economically unfeasible.

00:14:40.240 And, you know, who's working in a restaurant serving you your meal?

00:14:44.160 They're not exactly high net worth individuals normally.

00:14:48.800 Exactly.

00:14:49.240 They're people who are younger students on the economic margins.

00:14:54.520 Yes.

00:14:54.940 And, you know, not to localize it too much, but I remember the public health officer for the city of Toronto

00:15:02.520 arguing that restaurants needed to be closed.

00:15:06.080 And I asked for the evidence.

00:15:07.340 I said, how can you say that this is being spread in restaurants?

00:15:12.600 Do you have evidence?

00:15:13.820 And they pointed to three cases that they thought had been spread via restaurants.

00:15:20.160 And I said, there's almost 8,000 restaurants in the city of Toronto,

00:15:24.580 and you're going to close them all because of three suspected cases.

00:15:30.340 And they said, yes.

00:15:31.480 And that's the mentality that Dr. Francis Collins was talking about there.

00:15:36.460 To hell with everything else. 0.86

00:15:38.560 We're going to shut you down. 1.00

00:15:40.940 Absolutely.

00:15:41.380 And, you know, we had all of the small business owners being driven bankrupt while the big box stores stayed open.

00:15:51.140 So apparently you could catch COVID buying a box of nails at your small local hardware store, but not at Best Buy.

00:15:58.380 And we all know that they kept the liquor stores open while shutting down churches,

00:16:03.540 shutting down AA meetings, shutting down gyms, everything that kept people healthy.

00:16:08.480 And so the big box stores were open, but children were being kept out of school for long periods of time.

00:16:18.700 And, you know, I know of a group of parents who would try to find these underground secret in-person classes for their children,

00:16:28.600 who obviously couldn't learn online.

00:16:31.740 So it's the catastrophic effects on working people.

00:16:41.500 I mean, the laptop class, the professional class who could work at home with minimal upheaval,

00:16:49.020 I mean, they were, you know, I'm not trying to minimize the way it upended people's lives,

00:16:56.960 but compared to people who actually had to show up somewhere at a warehouse or stocking shelves,

00:17:06.840 that laptop class got away quite well.

00:17:09.740 Look, I'm in the laptop class.

00:17:11.900 And I could work from anywhere, and I did.

00:17:16.520 I didn't have to show up in an office.

00:17:19.380 But I'd been in that frontline worker class before.

00:17:23.440 And having your life twisted up and down, sometimes with minimal notice,

00:17:29.000 just because I would say that there was a huge spike in fear during the pandemic.

00:17:37.320 I just, I never thought that that was fair.

00:17:42.840 As you spoke to people like Scott Atlas and Jay and Roman Baber and others who you interviewed in the documentary,

00:17:50.240 did you learn something new?

00:17:52.860 Or were you bringing together things that you already knew,

00:17:55.620 but that you hoped others needed to hear and understand?

00:17:59.060 What really shocked me was the statement from some of them that basically the expert class is not to be trusted.

00:18:11.800 That was kind of, you know, that was a shock for me.

00:18:14.900 I am one of those compliant Canadians who, when they're told, you know, they should be vaccinated, etc., etc.,

00:18:22.780 I lined up like everyone else.

00:18:25.000 And I obviously, I shut down like everyone else.

00:18:29.260 But what I learned during the course of making this film was that scientists are just as political as anyone else.

00:18:40.220 And that scientists will sometimes twist information for political reasons.

00:18:51.340 And that, and I also learned that in my own industry, certain films were not being made.

00:19:04.360 Certain films about big pharma were never going to see the light of day,

00:19:10.060 simply because a lot of the big broadcasters have got, have got, are, are sponsored by, by big, big pharma.

00:19:22.360 Now, you've been a documentary filmmaker for many years, but not necessarily this type of film.

00:19:29.380 Right.

00:19:29.880 This is a bit of a departure for you, isn't it?

00:19:31.840 Well, in terms of, in terms of this being a rather hot and controversial topic, yes.

00:19:40.060 I mean, I've made, I've made other films, I've made films about terrorism, you know, brain science films that, that, that offered up new, new ideas, but nothing this polarizing, certainly.

00:19:55.780 All right. We need to take a quick break. When we come back, though, I want to talk about the fear that drove so much of this and whether that fear is still there, will people hear the message of your documentary? Back in moments.

00:20:25.780 During the worst parts of the pandemic, actually right up until the end, one of the worst things was, it was a fact-free environment and things were driven by fear.

00:20:37.460 Vanessa, I want to read you from something that I wrote in the fall of 2020, and it was about how in Ontario's first wave through, of COVID through nursing homes, which was, you know, incredibly devastating.

00:20:54.240 We, we, we had a huge number of deaths, but when you look at it compared to a bad flu year, it turns out there were just 3.7% more deaths than in 2018, which was a bad flu year.

00:21:08.240 And the profile of who would suffer and die from COVID was very similar to those who would suffer and die from influenza.

00:21:15.280 When I published this based on ministry data and showing over multiple years, what was actually happening, the minister was asked about it in a news conference here at Queen's Park and said, well, that's accurate.

00:21:29.840 It's what the numbers show.

00:21:30.880 And then was vilified by the media who didn't dispute the numbers, just figured this should not be said.

00:21:37.620 You should not be saying these things.

00:21:40.340 That was repeated around the world where people would raise, you know, the Barrington Declaration and the people behind that, for example, would raise issues.

00:21:50.400 Or the, the, the study that, that you talked about that was conducted at Stanford, the, raising facts did not change the, the fact that people were driven by fear.

00:22:04.540 And then that fear informed polling, which informed decision-making around lockdowns and other issues.

00:22:11.740 Yes, I, I think we will never know how many people actually died from COVID.

00:22:20.140 First of all, we do know that in, in the U.S. that many people who, let's say, died of cancer, but had, but had COVID were counted as COVID deaths, not cancer deaths.

00:22:35.740 They were counted as COVID deaths because those hospitals got, uh, supplementary financing for every COVID death.

00:22:44.820 It, it, it took us months at the Toronto Sun.

00:22:48.020 Yes.

00:22:48.680 To badger the Ontario government to start reporting died with COVID versus died from COVID because there is a difference.

00:22:57.640 Oh.

00:22:58.100 And, and they did not have that financial incentive here, but they were still reporting all COVID deaths as the same.

00:23:04.440 In fact, I, I was counted as a COVID hospitalization at one point, not because I went to the hospital with COVID.

00:23:11.400 I didn't know I had COVID.

00:23:13.180 I went to the hospital because I smacked my head and had a traumatic fall and, and a horrible concussion.

00:23:19.600 And while I'm laying there, they test me for COVID and it came back positive, but I was counted as a COVID hospitalization.

00:23:28.220 I, I had no symptoms.

00:23:29.440 Yes, that's, it, it, it, it's not, you know, your, your, your, your case isn't that uncommon.

00:23:34.400 I mean, certainly at the, at the, uh, children's hospitals and the, and the, the, um, one of the pediatricians in our film, uh, who was, who was at, uh, who was at, uh, McMaster said that if a child was admitted, let's say for her tonsils, uh, and she just happened to have COVID, she was counted as a COVID hospitalization.

00:23:58.400 Now that is, to me is unconscionable.

00:24:02.740 That is, um, you know, if, if, if, if, if we can't rely on our institutions for accuracy of information, where do we go?

00:24:12.060 Uh, this, this, this, this also played out on a very big scale when, um, with the, with the Imperial College of London, who had, um, who had put out, uh, the, the, the estimation of fatalities over, over, over several months.

00:24:34.600 This was in early 2020, and he had estimated that in the U.S. alone, there were going to be 2 million people that were going to lose their lives if they didn't lock down.

00:24:47.960 Well, what we do know was that the numbers were, were so wrong, they were exponentially wrong, that the actual number of fatalities were just a fraction.

00:24:57.880 And the, the, the, the, um, the numbers person, uh, Neil Ferguson at the Imperial College of London admitted that his numbers were grossly wrong.

00:25:09.100 But he did state that he didn't expect governments would base their health policies on, on his estimates.

00:25:17.180 So, my point again, if we cannot rely on these experts for, for accurate information, where are we supposed, where is the average person supposed to, to turn?

00:25:30.040 I, I, I'd say this, and I'd like to hear your view on it.

00:25:34.540 I can almost forgive those early days of mistakes like that, because we didn't know what we didn't know, and we didn't know what we were dealing with.

00:25:45.400 And the horrific scenes out of Italy and, and, and out of China scared everyone in North America, scared everyone around the world.

00:25:54.320 And we thought, well, okay, and now we've got this in, in, in, and then once we had real data, though, once we had real experience, it still didn't seem to matter.

00:26:06.540 Um, the fear drove the policy and parents demanded that schools be closed because doctors went on TV and said schools need to be closed.

00:26:17.720 And it didn't matter if you had five other doctors saying no, well, you've got, you know, nonstop TV channels saying kids are going to die.

00:26:24.180 Kids were not dying from COVID, not in any great numbers.

00:26:27.720 I am sure that we could find a small number somewhere, but normally, just like elderly people that died of COVID with underlying conditions, or as the doctors call it, you know, darkly, comorbidities.

00:26:40.340 Exactly.

00:26:40.820 Um, I, I, I still had people arguing with me at the end of COVID that we were all at risk and it, you know, it didn't matter what your risk profile looked like.

00:26:50.540 We were all facing the same risk, which is factually not untrue.

00:26:55.520 It's bizarre.

00:26:56.980 Yes.

00:26:57.360 You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're right.

00:26:59.860 The average age of the, of a COVID patient was 83, which is, I think, uh, higher than, than, than life expectancy about, about risk stratification.

00:27:15.660 This is what I, where I think the public health, uh, where, where public health really fell down.

00:27:23.060 And, and, and, and, and, and also the, the, the media should also be held, uh, responsible for this.

00:27:29.420 The risk stratification was not explained to the public.

00:27:34.380 They didn't explain to the public that, that 97% of people were going to be fine if they were exposed.

00:27:41.320 Well, some of these did.

00:27:42.320 Yes.

00:27:42.720 If they, if, if they were exposed to, to, to COVID.

00:27:47.420 That young people, especially children, but young people, if they had no, if they didn't have,

00:27:53.520 if, if, if, if, if, uh, if they were not immunocompromised, they should be fine.

00:28:00.540 They, they, they, you know, they may not even know they, they, they, they, they, they had COVID.

00:28:07.180 But the media made it seem as if, as if everyone was at equal risk.

00:28:12.980 And, and, and I think this is one of the things that led to, um, one of the, one of our policies

00:28:20.960 that I will never be able to get my mind around and I think is very sad, is that we forced people

00:28:27.800 to die alone. We forced people who were either terminally ill or elderly people who were dying.

00:28:39.940 We forced the relatives to say goodbye to them through an iPad. Now, that to me is one of the

00:28:46.840 most cruel and inhumane acts that was ever committed during COVID. If you can imagine your

00:28:53.540 mother slipping away or your father slipping away and you can't be with them, you can't comfort them.

00:28:59.160 They're alone in that room. I've often asked myself, how could we have done this and who were

00:29:05.940 we protecting? One of my colleagues won a national newspaper award for a well-used, often used photo

00:29:16.560 of a mother at the window of her long-term care home trying to touch their loved one through the

00:29:24.160 glass. That was an absolutely horrific policy, one that was replicated around the world. And if

00:29:33.060 somebody came up with one bad policy, we all seem to just adopt it without stopping to think.

00:29:37.860 Um, and it, it, it was bizarre. We would have arguments over, uh, lockdowns or opening up.

00:29:47.460 Well, you know, if, if we're being honest, you look at the United States, California had some of the

00:29:52.240 strictest lockdowns and at times had some of the worst COVID outcomes. Florida was more open, not as

00:29:57.660 open as people think, but more open. And, and theirs went up and down as well. Sometimes they were doing

00:30:03.560 great. Sometimes they were doing horribly. It, you know, so, and you could show that and say, well,

00:30:08.700 the lockdowns aren't helping. And the argument would be, yes, they are. You can't say that. Um,

00:30:15.240 again, back to people not wanting evidence. Now I want to ask you about this. You, you spoke to many

00:30:21.120 people who are against it, uh, including, uh, Roman Baber, who worked in the building I'm sitting in now as,

00:30:27.960 uh, an elected official. He, um, Roman would actually show up with data and information and,

00:30:36.340 and try and make the argument. But many in the, in the anti-lockdown camp would say, and this is where

00:30:44.960 I ended up breaking with them. They would say, well, you can't lock us down. And I would, I remember

00:30:51.780 saying to some leaders and organizers of it, I said, and I wrote a column about this. I said,

00:30:56.320 you've got to come up with a better argument than what you're using right now. That, which you're

00:31:02.320 just saying, you can't lock me down. It's a violation of my rights because the general public,

00:31:07.440 you can see that the general public does not care about your rights and is demanding

00:31:12.700 more lockdowns. I mean, the politicians gave people what they demanded and, and there, they said,

00:31:19.960 I shouldn't have to explain it. And I said, then I can't help you because you do need to explain it

00:31:25.420 because people are scared and mostly scared due to my colleagues and some doctors who have been

00:31:32.240 proven fundamentally flawed and wrong. Um, what do we do going forward with, with future pandemic

00:31:39.220 plans? I mean, we will have more pandemics. We had them before and we didn't react like this.

00:31:44.840 Um, the, you know, the swine flu pandemic, uh, several years ago was actually detrimental to

00:31:50.720 children. I remember holding my son like a, like, like a dead weight, a flopping doll at the hospital

00:31:58.440 to get him medical attention. Schools weren't closed. Daycares weren't closed.

00:32:03.720 No. You know, Brian, we've had a pandemic plan in place just like the U S and I know the U S has

00:32:10.420 been in pandemic plan, which is similar to ours has been in place since 2006 because medical leaders

00:32:18.580 knew it was, it was, it was just a question of when we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we dealt with

00:32:23.740 the pandemic because the last one was in 1918, the Spanish flu, and they knew that we were overdue,

00:32:30.220 but the pandemic plan generally stated that there were to be no school closures and no lockdowns

00:32:37.300 because of the, because of the impact on, on, on, uh, society, but that the most vulnerable

00:32:45.540 people in society needed to be, uh, protected, um, this pandemic plan was ignored because of

00:32:54.760 pressure from the WHO to, to, to, to, to lockdown. Um, but I think moving forward, I think people are,

00:33:05.560 I think people have lost trust in our institutions. And I, I think, I think moving forward, we need to

00:33:15.040 demand accurate information from our, from our, uh, leaders, from our, from our institutions. We need

00:33:22.420 to demand calm facts. We need to, uh, we need to expect better from our media because the media played

00:33:32.760 a huge role in this, in this, uh, fear mongering. And I think if we really need to drill deep down and go

00:33:41.480 back to basics, I, I think we need to start teaching our children, we start, we need schools that teach

00:33:49.880 children facts and critical thinking, not indoctrination. Otherwise, if we keep going down

00:33:56.780 this path, we're finished as a society. We really need to demand that, that we need to demand much

00:34:08.480 better information from our, from our, uh, leaders. And we especially need leaders that will,

00:34:16.260 that will serve Canada, not the globalists who serve the, the, the interests of the WEF or the WHO,

00:34:26.100 but leaders that serve their country's interests. Vanessa, it's a fascinating documentary,

00:34:32.000 extremely well produced, the highest quality, uh, let people know where they can find out more or

00:34:38.400 where they can watch it. Thank you. Um, they can, uh, find out more on the website at www.covidcollateral.com.

00:34:48.780 We will be posting when the film is where, and when the film is, uh, available. Okay. Thank you very

00:34:55.740 much for your time and, and for the film. Hopefully we'll talk again soon. Thank you, Brian.

00:34:59.800 Full Comment is a post-media podcast. My name is Brian Lilly, your host. This episode was produced

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