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00:01:30.000 On June 1st, Mark Carney stood in Holy Blossom Temple in Toronto and denounced anti-Semitism.

00:01:37.720 Well, kind of. Hello and welcome to the Full Comment podcast. My name is Brian Lillie, your host.

00:01:42.680 And today we're going to talk about Carney's speech, his naming of a council to deal with anti-Semitism, and the reaction to it all.

00:01:49.340 Across our country, anti-Semitism has surged to levels not seen in the post-war period.

00:01:54.820 Last year, over two-thirds of all religion-motivated hate crimes were

00:02:01.060 directed at Jewish Canadians who make up only 1% of the population. I'm afraid

00:02:08.900 this room knows what I'm about to say all too well. You've lived it, but I want

00:02:13.940 everyone to hear it. Anti-Semites in Canada fired bullets at Jewish schools. 0.86

00:02:18.780 They have thrown firebombs at synagogues. They've attacked community centers. They've 0.51

00:02:24.340 targeted Jewish-owned businesses, harassed Jewish patients at hospitals,

00:02:29.920 drove Jewish students from common spaces on our university campuses. They have

00:02:35.780 desecrated our Holocaust memorials. The horror and shame are global. Our actions

00:02:42.760 must be local. And they start, they start with clearly admitting that Canada's

00:02:49.180 civic compact is failing jewish canadians and they extend to all canadians recognizing that

00:02:59.140 if that covenant fails one of our communities it fails us all my initial reaction to that speech

00:03:05.600 was that he said some nice words but that neither his words nor his actions went far enough but what

00:03:11.440 i think doesn't matter i'm not jewish i don't deal with anti-semitism so we turned to three

00:03:16.280 prominent members of Toronto's Jewish community to ask them what they thought of the speech.

00:03:21.100 Ariella Kimmel is a former political staffer, an activist, and communication consultant.

00:03:26.300 Tara Klein-Leighton leads the group Canadian Women Against Anti-Semitism. They're an educational and

00:03:31.460 advocacy group in Toronto. And Amir Epstein is the head of TAFSEC, a grassroots community

00:03:36.880 organization that recently hosted a major conference on anti-Zionism featuring Ben Shapiro.

00:03:42.360 So let me ask each of you off the top, rapid fire, what did you think of Mark Carney's speech? I'm talking about the speech itself before you saw that awful list. Let's start with you, Ariella.

00:03:54.840 To be honest, I just thought it lacked anything concrete. It was nice words on a nice piece of paper that meant absolutely nothing. Nothing about Israel, nothing about October 7th, nothing about Zionism.

00:04:09.200 And if you don't have those three in a speech when you're talking about modern anti-Semitism, then you've completely missed the mark.

00:04:15.600 And you're just pandering to a group of people and going to get us nowhere.

00:04:22.560 And you're just and it's a disaster for us.

00:04:26.320 Talia, what were your quick thoughts? 1.00

00:04:28.000 So as I sat there, I felt like he had come into the Jewish community to give us a lesson on how to be good Canadians. 0.55

00:04:36.820 Right. How to be good Jews, how to be good Canadians. 0.71

00:04:39.200 I felt zero sense of urgency, right? No sense that our house is literally on fire and no naming of how we got here, right? There was no identification of what are the forces happening in Canada, the radical Islam, the radical left, the anti-Zionist jihadi ideologies, the infiltration, the indoctrination, the radicalization that is coming into this country.

00:05:08.760 There was none of that.

00:05:10.760 And so to me, it really was just platitudes and almost a slap on the wrist.

00:05:16.980 Like, why can't you guys just be good Canadians?

00:05:20.420 Amir, your thoughts?

00:05:22.000 Like, what was your first gut reaction to it?

00:05:24.880 Right on brand.

00:05:25.840 It's exactly what anybody would expect from him.

00:05:27.860 It's exactly what everybody should have known.

00:05:30.160 I think that he does it because he knows he can.

00:05:33.180 He does it because he knows that we'll always platform him.

00:05:35.620 We'll always allow him into the synagogue.

00:05:36.940 will always come and hear him and listen

00:05:38.880 and applaud him. So why would he ever do

00:05:40.800 anything different that might offend people that are actually

00:05:42.840 on our, you know, who are against

00:05:44.980 our community when he knows that

00:05:46.860 he has two groups of people. He's got

00:05:48.840 the Jews and he's got the Muslim community 1.00

00:05:50.500 and, of course, not everybody in the Muslim community

00:05:52.760 agrees on this, especially the

00:05:54.820 Jewish community as well, but he knows that if he can

00:05:56.820 go and say whatever he wants, 0.91

00:05:58.700 please, that group, that will go against

00:06:00.940 our group, we're going to show up

00:06:02.720 and smile and applaud and say,

00:06:04.700 thank you, you're the best, and then

00:06:06.940 He's going to continue on.

00:06:07.920 So why would he ever do anything that would harm them

00:06:10.780 when it's going to benefit him to spit in our face?

00:06:15.340 We're going to continue to platform him.

00:06:17.420 Our community is going to continue to do exactly what it's always done.

00:06:20.580 Organizations will continue to platform him.

00:06:23.420 So, you know, that's exactly what's expected.

00:06:25.880 I mean, he doesn't lose anything by spitting at us,

00:06:28.360 whereas if he did it to the other side, he wouldn't be speaking at any mosque.

00:06:31.500 Nobody would support him.

00:06:32.480 Nobody would go see him.

00:06:33.860 So he did exactly what he should have done as far as I'm concerned.

00:06:36.940 Okay. So I'll speak as the non-Jew on this panel. So anti-Semitism doesn't affect me the same way, but it's an issue I know, I understand, ally with community. But, you know, it started off, I got it ahead of time. As often happens, journalists, you get an advanced copy and then it says check against delivery. 0.98

00:06:57.740 And I'm reading through it, and I thought, okay, it's starting out okay.

00:07:03.340 You know, the title is The Canadian Covenant.

00:07:05.780 And I thought, interesting that he's invoking that.

00:07:08.700 That's a good sign.

00:07:09.940 And then it starts off with invoking Isaiah, invoking Amos, talking about the prophets.

00:07:16.520 And you're like, okay.

00:07:18.120 And then eventually, you know, it's 11 pages long, and I'm like, but where's the beef?

00:07:24.360 Where is the meat of this?

00:07:26.180 It started out with the good words, the platitudes, as you say, that you would expect.

00:07:33.080 And then what substance is there other than recycling a committee that he says will deal with anti-Semitism but was never designed or set up to deal with anti-Semitism?

00:07:45.780 Did you get the sense that, well, maybe meant well in the beginning, but just didn't want to offer anything up, Ariella?

00:07:54.160 Absolutely, I didn't.

00:07:55.740 And it's funny because you mentioned that he talked about, you know, he used Isaiah and used Amos' quotes, but what he completely, like, you know, ignored was the continuation of those quotes both then lie in the root of Judaism in Israel and the Jewish people's connection to the land of Israel.

00:08:16.560 So he took out like who they were speaking to, what they were speaking about, and at the time, like what it was relevant to just in order to kind of give us a social justice message. That wasn't the point of this. Again, they were speaking to the specific people in the specific land, and that was Israel.

00:08:37.220 And so what he did was actually just like completely from the very get go, wipe us out of our own history and our own narrative and our own story, because he, you know, he tried to use them in a way that served his purposes. 0.95

00:08:52.780 And that, you know, if you go on and you read the full quotes, it's very evident when Amos talks about how then the Jews will be in the land of Israel for all time.

00:09:03.000 it's interesting who wants to grab this that he did not actually it was in the text

00:09:09.500 but i do not believe that he said the word israel he didn't say israel he didn't say zionist and

00:09:16.100 he didn't say anti-zionist so why does that matter for people who are listening who are not jewish

00:09:22.860 are trying to understand this why does that matter talia so our connection to israel is a

00:09:29.380 fundamental component of our identity. So the connection that Jews have to the land of Israel

00:09:36.900 is very different than many other people have to a geographic location, right? There's almost like

00:09:43.060 a two-way umbilical cord that runs between Israel and the Jews of the diaspora. We depend on them, 1.00

00:09:50.180 they depend on us. We're a living, breathing, ethnic, national, religious entity, right? I mean,

00:09:57.480 that's why anti-Semitism is so hard to define, because we fit into so many different categories.

00:10:04.240 We're a religion, we're a race, we're an ethnicity, we're a nationality. And so because of those

00:10:09.520 components, Israel is a fundamental component of all of those parts of our identities. So you

00:10:17.240 cannot separate the Jews from Israel, right? And you cannot separate us from our ancestral homeland,

00:10:23.080 from our indigeneity to Israel. So just because we live in the diaspora and we support and love

00:10:29.240 the countries that we live in does not negate that fundamental connection to the land of Israel.

00:10:38.660 Can I just add, sorry, one thing to that, Brian, too, about anti-Zionism and why it's so important?

00:10:44.140 So I, you know, Jason Kenney used to say, and I'm sure he still does, but I remember when we 1.00

00:10:48.940 when he was minister of immigration. And I heard him speak for the first time when I was still in

00:10:53.520 university at the American Jewish Committee Conference in Washington. And he started talking

00:11:00.160 about how antisemitism is the most pernicious form of hatred. And why is that? It's because

00:11:05.260 it molds to the time that we're in, right? So you look at medieval Europe, and that was

00:11:10.780 blood libels and Christ killers. And then you move on in time to, you know, when Jews become 1.00

00:11:18.360 greedy because we were the only ones who could be money lenders. And then we started to have 0.70

00:11:23.400 control of the world. And then you get to, you know, Russia and the SARS and the Eastern Europe 0.52

00:11:28.740 pogroms. And throughout history, you just see it morph. So what anti-Zionism is today is literally

00:11:34.620 just the morph of what is acceptable anti-Semitism for our time. So we're not Christ killers anymore.

00:11:41.780 We're not the blood drinkers. We're not contaminating people's race. But Zionism

00:11:45.940 is now the new evil. And that's what we are. And if we support our, if we don't want to renounce 1.00

00:11:52.520 our connection to Israel, and we don't, you know, speak out against them, we're complicit or 0.93

00:11:56.800 we're genocidal, and then we become fair game. So, you know, after the Holocaust, people couldn't 0.92

00:12:01.980 march on the streets chanting death the Jews anymore, but they could march on the streets 0.54

00:12:05.880 chanting from the river to the sea. And they have the same meaning, but people allow it to 0.90

00:12:11.360 be socially acceptable. Amir, talk to me about that. You know, a lot of people don't know what

00:12:20.280 these slogans mean. I do. I've had to educate myself on some of them, but I've walked alongside

00:12:29.540 these protests that have taken over our streets since October 7th. Thankfully, there are fewer

00:12:35.340 of them, at least in the downtown core. I know out of Bathurst and Shepherd in Toronto, there's an

00:12:40.320 ongoing one, but you don't see as many marching through the streets in Toronto or in Montreal or

00:12:46.000 Vancouver. But, you know, I've walked alongside them as they chant things like, we don't want

00:12:52.500 no two-state, take us back to 48, or from the river to the sea. What's the impact of seeing

00:12:59.280 those expressions of anti-Semitism for you, for members of Tafsik, members of the Jewish community? 1.00

00:13:06.540 It's just clever antisemitism. They know how to use words that will get them off without police having to instill any laws, without having to, you know, make any arrests. And by saying from the river to the sea, you're saying a land that is free of Jews. That's what they mean. That's why they say they don't say for any other reason. Look, this is a hate move. 0.78

00:13:26.640 Well, we saw at a conference recently, a conference supported by at least the federal government, if not other levels, where there was a word cloud. And in the word cloud, this was a Canadian Muslim conference, and it said Jew free. That's what they wanted for the world. 0.51

00:13:44.140 That's correct. That's what they want for the Ummah, for their society. So this is ongoing. It's not new. It's a political movement. It has nothing to do with land. It has nothing to do with religion in that respect. It has to do with people who simply hate Jews and need excuses to do it.

00:13:59.800 And, you know, at the anti-Zionism symposium that we held, it was the first conference in the world that ever had an anti-Zionism, combating anti-Zionism conference.

00:14:12.100 People from around the world, experts talking about it in different levels and different arenas.

00:14:16.340 And the bottom line is, if you were to separate from anti-Semitism in that anti-Semitism is a classical Jew hatred, which is usually found on the right or the far right, you know, the Nazis and the KKK and the white supremacists. 0.70

00:14:29.800 who use their blood libels, blood libels meaning lies about the Jews, to justify their Jew hatred. 0.93

00:14:34.840 The Jews control the banks. The Jews are taking over the world. The Jews are going to do all 0.99

00:14:37.500 these incredible, horrible things to us. Anti-Zionism is a new form of that, and it's 1.00

00:14:41.920 basically on the left. You have leftists, and far left, I should say, and the Islamists 0.98

00:14:46.620 working together just like they did in Iran in 1979 before the Ayatollah took over 0.75

00:14:52.100 to destroy the democracy and to attack Jews. So they do the same thing. They use blood libels, 0.90

00:14:57.740 lies about jews in order to to to justify their hatred for jews and those lies are that we're 0.99

00:15:03.360 committing a genocide we are apartheid we're eating babies now we train dogs to rape we have 1.00

00:15:08.260 sharks that attack egyptians um and the level of stupidity in new york times i'm sorry to laugh at 1.00

00:15:13.520 that but like those of us who have dogs like you can train them you haven't trained your dog to 1.00

00:15:21.420 rape people i thought that's like a normal thing you do with dogs like if if that were true 0.83

00:15:26.980 then you know jews have a magical power for training dogs that no one else has ever figured 0.98

00:15:33.020 out but that claim made it into the new york times that there are dogs trained to rape people 0.69

00:15:40.880 by the way that was in the new york times and um one of the claims is that jews control the media

00:15:47.100 you do a horrible job at it by the way because we have two million arabs in israel 70 of the

00:15:53.440 country is Jewish, whereas every single other Arab nation nearby is 95% Muslim. So we suck at 1.00

00:15:58.520 supremacy. We suck at genocide because apparently the population of Gaza has increased since the 0.98

00:16:03.520 war that they started on us happened. We suck at all these things, controlling the media, 0.99

00:16:07.560 but getting them to go against us. We've got to get our game straight. 0.75

00:16:11.660 You know, if I could just add one thing, if you take that slogan from the river to the sea

00:16:16.580 and you translate it from the actual Arabic, you get from the water to water, 0.81

00:16:21.620 Israel will be Arab. So it's really just an announcement that Israel is the next country

00:16:27.560 to be colonized. And we know what happens when countries are colonized by the Arabs, 1.00

00:16:34.900 by the jihadis, is that the Jews are either massacred or expelled. So the idea is that

00:16:40.000 Israel is just going to be the next country that will be Jew-free, right? And then they move on to 1.00

00:16:46.100 the next one, right? So not only do we suck, we suck at colonizing too, by the way, as well, 0.99

00:16:52.660 because we've never been able to actually, we've never done it. But so that notion, 0.93

00:16:59.920 and the other point I want to make is that, you know, when they come and they shoot the Orbeez 0.90

00:17:04.320 guns and the BB guns at the yeshivas and at the synagogues, and when they shoot at the Jewish

00:17:09.540 schools, they don't stop and say, are you guys Zionists? Right? They don't. They don't stop. 0.72

00:17:16.140 They just, they want to shoot at Jews. They don't care. Zionist, not Zionist. They just want to 1.00

00:17:19.900 shoot at Jews. Well, most Jews would be Zionists. And if you look at what people say about me on 1.00

00:17:25.400 Twitter, I am an evil Zionist, a Zio pig, a Zio Nazi. These terms are thrown around constantly. 0.98

00:17:34.200 and so carney's failure to address anti-zionism it is saying i'm fine with jews but i'm against

00:17:43.240 zionists is just a cover why would he ryan why would he say that why would he talk about israel

00:17:49.540 and zionism when islamists hate and despise israel and zionists he could talk about oh you know 0.51

00:17:56.380 there's a lot of jew hatred from those skinheads like that's what he's trying to focus it on that's

00:18:01.240 the whole that's the whole you know facade is that he's trying to make it look like oh that's 0.92

00:18:05.380 why he didn't bring up islamism he doesn't want to bring up extremism because he knows that that's

00:18:09.420 going to destroy him his fan base and his people like wait a minute you just criticized islam you

00:18:15.020 know what that is right that's islamophobia and you can't do that so for him to talk about israel

00:18:19.480 is anti-palestinian racism which is their little term that they made up to weaponize us against

00:18:24.260 our own identity to talk about zionism is anti-palestinian racism he's very careful not 0.92

00:18:28.860 to talk about those things, because that'll upset the people who allow him to come to his mosques.

00:18:33.920 Not only that, but then, you know, the next time that he wants to denounce Israel for some kind of,

00:18:40.900 you know, for some perceived human rights violation, the next time he wants to take

00:18:46.700 potshots and haul in our ambassador, right, in order to pander to his audience, 1.00

00:18:53.760 he's going to look like a total hypocrite. 0.97

00:18:55.640 the, uh, issue around talking about where antisemitism is rooted in Canada. You mentioned 0.99

00:19:03.760 skinheads and Nazis, and it used to be the far right. Now it's the left and the Islamist. 0.98

00:19:09.660 It has grown over the past number of years. And look, antisemitism moved to the left a long time

00:19:14.940 ago. I was covering it in Montreal at Concordia University 20 plus years ago. Um, and it's just

00:19:23.760 metastasized since then how much of it is political uh because some people want to say

00:19:30.360 well it's all all because of canada's bad immigration policies and we're bringing in

00:19:34.800 people from countries where they hate jews that's part of it part of it is the political left and

00:19:40.420 some of the crazy right where do all the the different strains meet how much of it is due to

00:19:47.020 bad immigration policies. And, you know, you mentioned Jason Kenney, Ariella, he used to talk

00:19:54.420 about assimilation in Canada. We don't talk about that anymore. And assimilation doesn't mean you

00:20:01.660 get rid of who you are and where you come from, but it does mean that you blend into the country

00:20:07.640 that you've come to. We don't do that anymore. So how much of it is bad immigration policy, 0.97

00:20:12.940 lack of assimilation, and how much of it is on the radicalization of the left, which used to be

00:20:20.240 the political home for so many Jews in Canada? Well, the thing is the Venn diagram of politics

00:20:28.040 all meet in antisemitism and hatred of Jews. And you've even seen in the last, especially

00:20:35.080 three years the um you know the progress progressives on the left adopt the language of

00:20:42.240 the uh skinheads on the right so you see like the term zio is was created by david duke and then

00:20:49.960 and they're saying it without any question and they call you know the zios the zios and yet then 0.55

00:20:56.720 the next day they'll be out doing their own podcasts about the threat you know the threat

00:21:01.260 against Jews in this country is on the right. And by ignoring that, you're just trying to stand up 0.59

00:21:06.160 for the state of Israel. It's so, like, it's so deceptive and so disgusting that they won't 0.88

00:21:12.320 recognize it within. And I mean, you look at people like Selena Robinson, who had to have this, like,

00:21:17.480 horrible experience happen and come to her because she was a significant part of the progressive

00:21:23.400 movement. And that's where she found her home. And that was when the left, the, you know, the NDP

00:21:29.520 were the party of the working people and the you know the blue collar workers and you know i'm sure

00:21:36.080 like you know in our my grandparents days they also were part of the ndp like that's what it

00:21:41.860 how it was that party has completely abandoned workers and just become this you know platform

00:21:47.280 for talking about israel only israel israel is their obsession and that's all that they

00:21:53.460 talk about and and on immigration like I I I didn't grow up in Toronto I didn't grow up in a 0.53

00:22:01.280 in a and I would what I would say is the Jewish bubble I went to a public school and like I went

00:22:07.480 to a public school in high school that was fully like Muslim I was I was one of only Jews and I

00:22:14.900 started there in grade 10 and I remember my first day I was wearing my Megan David and I was in a

00:22:19.500 class and this girl came up to me and she said oh you're new what's your name and I said Ariella

00:22:24.320 and she said and I asked her her name and she told me and it was a Hebrew name but she pronounced

00:22:29.520 it differently and so I asked again and she said no we don't like we don't use that and then she

00:22:35.680 pointed to my star of David and she said and I wouldn't wear that and I learned very quickly 0.98

00:22:41.580 like the what like I would have death the Jews written on my desk Hitler should have killed you 0.94

00:22:45.580 well and like consistently was targeted for being jews and the biggest thing that was 0.99

00:22:50.680 i don't want to say how long ago i was in high school right now

00:22:55.740 i'm sorry yeah no my so my first year of uh my first year at the school was um september like

00:23:04.520 i my first week in school was september 11th so that was also incredibly eye-opening because i'm 0.96

00:23:09.640 sitting in class and all these kids behind me are talking about how it was probably the jews like

00:23:14.680 you know the jews did it um and it was very rare to find a teacher who would actually deal with it

00:23:20.740 like i remember the first time death of jews was written on my desk in mass i was told to just 0.90

00:23:25.400 switch desks um i i remember in a class like somebody talking about how all the jews are rich

00:23:31.460 and the teacher just kept going it was one teacher who made one like one palestinian kid

00:23:36.860 wrote hitler should have killed you all on my desk and my history teacher at the time who was

00:23:41.960 incredible had him like he forced it made him stand down every desk and repaint them and at 0.98

00:23:49.380 the same time have me tell the story of my grandmother who was a Holocaust survivor

00:23:52.840 and what was so interesting to me was then talking to him and he started you know he was it's very

00:23:59.360 clear he was learning this at home so if we're bringing in new immigrants and and that's like

00:24:05.580 all of us our families came here as immigrants at some point or another but we all there is that

00:24:11.500 assimilation. And that, you know, when you looked at the changes that the liberals made to the

00:24:16.700 immigration, including our immigration tests and our knowledge and things that we need to know,

00:24:21.840 that's significant. And that makes, like, takes away the connection to our country. And so, 0.90

00:24:28.720 you know, now this kid is actually, and he's not a kid, we're not kids anymore. He's one of the

00:24:33.140 leaders of the protest movement in Ottawa. I see his, you know, face covered in a coffea,

00:24:37.140 But I could remember those eyes anywhere because they terrorized me for so many years.

00:24:43.560 But it was just so eye-opening, like really seeing that it was totally taught at home and that in the education system, no one's willing to do it yet.

00:24:54.220 And not refuted in the education system.

00:24:58.000 And by the way, Brian, you mentioned assimilation. 0.96

00:25:00.520 You mentioned that the UMA thing that they were talking about, you know, free of Jews.

00:25:05.560 three of the speakers mentioned in their speech no integration another one said no assimilation 0.84

00:25:11.420 it's going to take away our culture like they are actively stating they will not assimilate

00:25:16.300 or integrate into canada this is what they're teaching the people at that conference just for

00:25:22.700 the record so how big of an issue is that i mean look my parents came here i was born here but

00:25:28.940 my parents didn't want me playing soccer because they thought well you're in canada you should play

00:25:32.980 hockey. You've got to learn what people do here. And it wasn't that long ago that that was the

00:25:39.960 view of our federal government and our immigration minister, but I guess that's no longer acceptable

00:25:45.660 to say, hey, when you come here. I mean, Carney did say, when you come to Canada, you leave your

00:25:52.600 old hatreds behind. And I was impressed that he would go so far as to say that because that was

00:25:58.180 not aimed at the Jewish community. But he's got to back that up, and I don't think he is. 0.61

00:26:03.400 You know, I'm an immigrant, right? I'm actually an immigrant, and I came from a country. I was

00:26:08.440 born into apartheid South Africa. And, you know, things could have gone two ways, right? I mean,

00:26:16.800 I grew up in a family that was so anti-racist and so multicultural and so focused on appreciating

00:26:26.020 people's diversity because we were from South Africa, because we saw just how horrible,

00:26:32.200 right, this hatred could become. And so we moved to Canada because we wanted to leave all of the

00:26:38.560 stuff that made that country so horrible behind. And we came to Canada and now we see and we love

00:26:44.840 the multiculturalism. We moved to a small town. We were like the only South African Jews. We were

00:26:49.980 the only Jews, the only South Africans, and just loved the diversity. And we're watching Canada

00:26:55.860 now devolve into a country we cannot recognize. This is not the country that we came to in order

00:27:03.900 to make a better life. And you know, that slogan that plays over and over in my head all the time

00:27:08.640 is, if you cannot support the country you are in, go live in the country you can support,

00:27:14.080 right if you can't come to canada and appreciate this tapestry notion of diversity and the fact

00:27:21.900 that we all get to live inside of our cultures but live by the rules and the and the and the

00:27:27.540 folk ways and the laws of this country then maybe it's not the country for you all right last word

00:27:34.100 on this to you before we take a break amir um assimilation i mean this is it's not even something

00:27:42.080 you think about when we came here it was the exact same thing we became canadian that's who we are

00:27:46.360 we're canadian like you know you don't you don't try to force your old um home onto the new i mean

00:27:53.740 that's it goes against the whole idea of what canada is meant to be i think the idea that um

00:27:59.260 people are coming and saying we want nothing to do with your culture in fact we want to change it

00:28:03.300 to how it was where we came from says everything we need to know about how diversity is working for

00:28:08.380 us at this point. It's kind of, I mean, it's, it's just not anymore. It's, it's, and it's funny

00:28:13.360 because, you know, whenever I speak to people about our goals and what is it that our, you know,

00:28:19.700 organization with Tafzik is really trying to do at the end of it all, what it comes down to is we

00:28:24.820 want Canada to remain the Christian country. It's been for a very, very long time. We don't want it

00:28:30.420 to become Jewish. We don't want Canada to become a Jewish state. We don't want it to be a Muslim 1.00

00:28:34.960 state we don't want to be any other state we want to be what it was what you know gone are the days 1.00

00:28:40.960 of i am canadian you try saying that today and they say you're you know you're a you're a racist 0.99

00:28:46.580 and you're a homophobe and you're a transphobe and you're everything you can possibly think of 0.99

00:28:50.080 that the left like to use in the look well you know if you're not gonna and this is the main 0.98

00:28:55.180 problem with harney and his and his liberals over the past 10 years that they're trying to bring as

00:28:59.180 many people as possible and most of these people that are coming from these countries that hate

00:29:03.700 Jews. That's what they're taught. This is the part of their culture. It's in their fiber and

00:29:08.000 their being. It's in their souls to hate the Jews. And by the way, to hate the Christians too. 1.00

00:29:14.240 You know, so that's not going to end until we stop immigration from countries that are hostile 0.94

00:29:20.020 to us. And it shouldn't just be questioning the procedure of entering. The question shouldn't 0.89

00:29:25.680 just be, do you hate Jews? It should be, do you have a problem with the LGBTQ? Do you have people

00:29:30.960 People who hate any of these groups,

00:29:34.560 they're just not compatible in this country.

00:29:36.880 You're not Canadian. 1.00

00:29:38.100 You shouldn't come here. 1.00

00:29:39.360 Go to a place where you can go hang gays, 1.00

00:29:41.540 where you can kill the Jews, 1.00

00:29:42.500 and that's where you come from. 1.00

00:29:43.240 That's fine.

00:29:43.740 That's where you can stay.

00:29:44.880 If you're going to come here,

00:29:45.600 you need to adopt all of our culture 0.98

00:29:48.100 in that it's a Canadian culture.

00:29:50.480 It's Canada. 1.00

00:29:51.400 And we just don't tolerate that kind of crap. 0.99

00:29:53.400 And he's too scared. 0.99

00:29:54.320 He doesn't have the spine to say these things.

00:29:56.520 He's too scared because he knows

00:29:57.600 that a lot of his votes will bleed out.

00:29:59.800 All right, we need to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll hear from Pierre Polyev on the makeup of that committee. Back in a moment.

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00:30:59.000 When I give talks at law schools, it's that the charter ultimately is empowering a minority, and it's empowering a minority that's a guild across the country, and it's a fairly elite guild, and the guild is lawyers.

00:31:07.980 Families who were split by referendum and brothers and sisters who never talked to each other for years after the referendum because they were so angry at each other because of the emotions on both sides.

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00:33:27.740 What announcement? 0.58

00:33:39.500 Well, I remember Mr. Elgabra lobbying me before he was in politics to keep Hezbollah legal.

00:33:46.500 So I'm not sure that he's the right guy to combat anti-Semitism.

00:33:52.500 The last thing we need is another counsel. I mean, this is the problem with Mark Carney.

00:33:57.500 Every time there's a problem, he creates a new bureaucracy agency counsel

00:34:02.500 that does absolutely nothing except pay high per diems and expenses to a bunch of liberal

00:34:08.820 insiders. He's appointed as a head of the council, a minister who says he wants to ban part of the

00:34:14.020 Jewish Torah that he considers to be politically incorrect. This is ridiculous. What we need to do 0.97

00:34:19.080 is lock up the rampaging terrorists who are firing bullets at children's schools, 0.97

00:34:26.780 firebombing synagogues, and terrorizing the Jewish community. We need to get control of

00:34:31.760 our borders, so no longer can anti-Semites, terrorists, and hate-mongers come into our 0.96

00:34:36.800 country. And we need to stop the extremely divisive, divide-and-conquer identity politics

00:34:45.160 of the Liberal Party that have caused this mayhem on our streets.

00:34:48.900 So that's the Conservative leader, Pierre Paulyev, talking about the makeup of this

00:34:52.960 committee, which does include Omar Al-Ghabra, the former Liberal MP. It includes Katrina

00:34:58.340 Lamedong, which was just puzzling to me, the former Olympian, but also a lawyer called Avnish

00:35:04.760 Nanda. And Avnish Nanda is someone who actually fought for the campus encampments that were

00:35:15.160 decidedly anti-Semitic. So, you know, when Carney first gave his speech, I talked to people who were

00:35:23.100 there. I talked to people who were not there, part of the Jewish community, who were trying to be

00:35:28.900 positive, given the benefit of the doubt. And they were like, well, didn't go far enough, but it's 0.95

00:35:33.840 moving in the right direction. All, you know, giving them the benefit of the doubt went out

00:35:39.420 the door as soon as that list came out. Talia? Yeah, we are affectionately calling this the 1.00

00:35:46.420 Gaslight Council because we really think that this, we've just been absolutely set up. I think

00:35:52.720 The minute I saw this list, I said, you know, Mark Carney came into our house, our house, right?

00:35:59.960 Holy Blossom Synagogue.

00:36:01.040 He came into our house and essentially has declared war on the Jewish community.

00:36:06.180 And he and by offering up these people, right, a band of anti-Semites to adjudicate anti-Semitism is it's gaslighting at best.

00:36:19.080 Amir?

00:36:20.340 I mean, I thought it was obvious.

00:36:21.800 I kind of expected that.

00:36:22.960 I'm not sure why people were so surprised.

00:36:27.260 You know, he just created...

00:36:28.300 Because you expect the prime minister to do the right thing.

00:36:31.580 No, not when the prime minister is carny.

00:36:33.900 I know exactly what he is, and just like Trudeau before him, 0.99

00:36:36.680 but far more dangerous because he's smarter than the other clown. 0.98

00:36:40.540 And I think the problem is that expecting anything from this, 0.94

00:36:43.460 I mean, how many times can you expect something from the same people

00:36:46.240 and be disappointed and start going,

00:36:48.420 maybe I need to change my expectations.

00:36:50.460 Maybe I should know, huh, this is who he is.

00:36:53.200 That's what he's going to continue to do.

00:36:54.440 He's not going to tomorrow suddenly change who he is.

00:36:57.640 You don't get to say, you don't get to reward Hamas or the Palestinian state after what

00:37:02.440 they did to us and pretend like, you know, maybe he means well, you don't get to, you 0.67

00:37:06.880 know, uh, uh, stay, say that he's going to arrest a democratically elected leader from

00:37:12.820 an allied country.

00:37:13.800 If he steps into this country without knowing who he is, people are still surprised.

00:37:18.480 I don't know what they're surprised about.

00:37:20.460 The people that are on the council are those who are meant to, in fact, maybe there will be, you know, a reduction of anti-Semitism if the people on the council itself stop being anti-Semitic.

00:37:30.860 I mean, that technically could work, you know, but I just don't understand how our community continues to fall for it.

00:37:37.400 It blows my mind.

00:37:38.640 This is why we were so set against, like, don't go this. 0.99

00:37:41.640 So let me ask you, let me ask you about the Jewish community falling for this.

00:37:45.900 When Justin Trudeau was in, the Jewish community was so angry at the direction he was taking things that they started to move away.

00:37:54.180 And so you had Toronto St. Paul's, significant Jewish community, but not the biggest.

00:38:00.040 But that community, during a by-election, came out in strong numbers to vote for the conservatives and against the liberals.

00:38:08.520 Marco Mendicino represented Eglinton Lawrence.

00:38:12.880 Again, not the biggest Jewish population among riotings, but significant. 0.95

00:38:17.200 He looked at the polling and said, I'm out. 0.93

00:38:20.220 And by the way, Marco was good on these issues.

00:38:24.640 He thought they were going to lose. 0.98

00:38:27.160 The liberals ended up winning the majority of riotings with significant Jewish populations. 0.65

00:38:32.540 Again, because the Jewish population turned back. 0.97

00:38:34.940 Even though Melanie Jolie of have you seen the demographics in my rioting fame, 0.98

00:38:41.900 of tweeting about Israel bombing a hospital

00:38:46.520 when they never did,

00:38:47.520 and she's never taken that down or apologized.

00:38:49.920 Anita Anand, 1.00

00:38:51.380 who is just an absolutely horrible foreign minister,

00:38:56.160 still backed the Carney liberals.

00:38:59.500 How did that happen?

00:39:00.700 Who wants to take that first?

00:39:03.280 I can take that.

00:39:05.100 Look, it's so hard.

00:39:08.420 It's interesting because we talked already

00:39:11.800 about the fact that Jews were part of a left movement

00:39:14.780 far significantly more throughout history.

00:39:18.380 And most Jews in Canada were liberals

00:39:21.200 leading up to the Harper era.

00:39:23.700 It was only when Stephen Harper came into government

00:39:25.940 that you saw the mass movement,

00:39:28.240 places like Thornhill becoming conservative writings

00:39:31.460 and Jews really getting far more engaged.

00:39:35.200 And that was, you know, for me,

00:39:36.540 I was a student on campus

00:39:37.980 at the beginning of the Harper era

00:39:39.400 and that was partially it was like what happened at Concordia I was at Carleton all you know what

00:39:44.820 was happening on campus you only found the allies and the strong allies in the conservative movement

00:39:49.780 but I think that those who haven't you know when you weren't on campus and you were you know you

00:39:55.580 weren't in the bubble of politics and you were just going through your day-to-day life it didn't

00:40:00.460 necessarily hit you and I so it surprises me now is that people you know are like it's like we have

00:40:06.740 this like um goldfish memory it's like what carney's actually done is worse you know trudeau

00:40:12.700 was um was just not even smart enough to be like to be just as destructive um it was easy to see

00:40:21.780 through him and he wasn't you know i always laugh about you know at the last second you know i think

00:40:28.880 it was like days before he resigned he made this speech at a conference and he said i am a zionist

00:40:34.520 and it was like he acted like it was this big brave thing um and it's not and it shouldn't be

00:40:40.780 but i think that like everyone like we've gone so complacent and doing things the same way over

00:40:48.320 and over and over that like maybe sometime it will work and maybe something will change

00:40:52.540 and it's not true and i and i severely disagree with it and i know i'm you're surprised to hear

00:40:57.720 me say that i'm like i strongly disagree with this but like i do i just like the same things

00:41:03.640 that we've been doing are not going to make the difference.

00:41:06.040 But it's very hard for this.

00:41:07.460 Like, it's just, it seems like the community is stuck in a cycle.

00:41:11.080 And you have people who have been like strong, very connected, very wealthy liberals for

00:41:18.120 a long time who seem to not be able to break, not only just say what Carney said was wrong,

00:41:23.740 but to even have a voice to say what's happening in the city is wrong or to speak up and use

00:41:29.940 their platforms.

00:41:31.460 First of all, I agree with you, Ariel.

00:41:32.380 I think that people are just stuck in their ways and they're unable to break this long attachment to, you know, the party that maybe their grandparents used to vote for. 0.99

00:41:43.940 But I think the problem today is, and this is just my personal opinion, I think our Jewish organizations are cowards. 0.99

00:41:50.400 I think they're just cowards. 0.99

00:41:51.500 They're scared to do anything that might lose them at their seat at the table. 0.95

00:41:55.360 They're scared to do anything that might cost them grants from the government.

00:41:58.620 so again what is urging the prime minister and the liberal party to change their ways why would

00:42:06.780 you change anything you're winning if you're on a if you have your you know your entire political

00:42:13.260 plan is working and you're and you just recently over 50 percent of canadians are so excited about 0.82

00:42:18.840 carney and they support liberals why would anything change well if the jewish community 0.83

00:42:24.080 and specifically the organizations had a spine and said we're going to excommunicate we're not 0.50

00:42:31.200 going to speak to you anymore carny you don't get to platform anymore you don't get to convince

00:42:34.960 some of our community that you're a good guy which by the way some people still believe somehow

00:42:39.640 you know could you imagine he showed up to a synagogue that was empty what do you think

00:42:44.980 would happen then do you think that would have a bigger effect on him going and him potentially 0.99

00:42:50.020 changing his ways and thinking, oh, shit, you know, the Jewish people are really actually, 1.00

00:42:55.480 this is bad. We got to do something. Or if we all show up and clap like this, 1.00

00:42:59.200 why would he change? Why does he care to? I wouldn't. I'm a Jew. If I was a politician,

00:43:04.680 I would be like, okay, great. This is working. Do you agree, Talia?

00:43:08.000 No, I don't agree. I don't agree because I don't know what it would get us. So, right? Because

00:43:13.780 that's the only table in town unfortunately we the jews do not have the numbers we do not have

00:43:21.220 the numbers to have any real political clout as ariella was saying we maybe have significant

00:43:27.540 population in maybe seven ridings in the entire country we do not have the numbers we are one

00:43:35.260 percent of this country's population right now the liberal government has a majority they don't need

00:43:40.780 us at all. They can railroad us all they want. So the only way to actually affect any change

00:43:48.660 in this country is to fight for that seat at the table, right? The only way to get any kind

00:43:55.460 of legislative amendment is to go to the committees where at least there is some

00:44:01.400 conservative support in the room at the committee and fight for legislative change.

00:44:07.560 I mean, other than that, they don't need us. They can railroad us. They can run over us with a cart. It would make absolutely no difference. So, you know what? Carney drew a line in the sand on June the 1st. He came to the synagogue. He's declared war on the Jews. You know what? That's a place I can start from. I can start from there, right? Because I can't make peace with my friends. I can only make peace with my enemies.

00:44:34.180 So now I can start negotiating with this government like they're the adversary that they really are. I can set them up as my enemy and I can start negotiating, right? And we can fight for whatever protections we need. Because look, I come at it as a mom. I need my kids to be protected. I need my kids to be able to go to school without kids yelling, without their class walking out on a Palestinian protest.

00:44:59.480 I need the synagogues in my neighborhood to not be shot at, the yeshivas in my neighborhood to not be shot at.

00:45:05.120 So the only way that I can affect any kind of legislative change is to show up, to show up at the Toronto Police Service Board meetings, to show up at the committees when they're talking about legislation, to show up.

00:45:17.420 That's the only way that I can affect legislative change.

00:45:20.120 If I abdicate, I get nothing.

00:45:22.220 He views it as a support.

00:45:24.980 And that's my issue.

00:45:25.880 And I'll say this.

00:45:27.060 I think that we are a small population. 0.99

00:45:29.280 this is true but you know what's happening right now in quebec right the jews the jewish community 0.98

00:45:36.080 in quebec is leaning towards separating they were the reason why it didn't the last time it was by

00:45:42.320 those by that number of people the jews voted against separation now they're voting they're

00:45:47.620 going to vote for it so you want to know something we do have a huge huge voice even though we're

00:45:52.640 small numbers we can make a lot of things change in this country and if quebec separates and it's

00:45:58.440 because the Jewish community has decided this liberal government doesn't at all work for us.

00:46:04.660 We continue to desperately try to influence. He doesn't care. He's not going to listen to any of

00:46:11.120 our organizations. So we do actually have a huge influence in this country in different ways.

00:46:15.700 You're looking at the broad, of course not. We're 1% of the population. But when we micro

00:46:19.620 target specific issues, we have a huge voice. And it's by those numbers that we actually kept

00:46:25.680 Quebec as part of Canada. And now the Jews are looking to separate because they don't see the 0.99

00:46:29.840 liberal government as a friend. So it's not true. Amir mentioned separation, and there's more than

00:46:35.360 one type of separation. He says that some Jews in Quebec are going to vote for separation. Some

00:46:39.980 are just deciding they're going to separate from Canada. Dr. Emmanuel Moss was recently profiled in

00:46:45.100 the Montreal Gazette. He is the head of cardiac surgery at the Jewish General Hospital in Montreal.

00:46:51.620 He's relocating to Atlanta, Georgia.

00:46:53.780 And recently I spoke to Michael Sachs, who moved from Vancouver area to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

00:47:01.360 And here's a clip of that conversation with Michael, because he's helping Jews in Canada look at moving to the United States.

00:47:08.920 So there's an amazing organization called Tulsa Tomorrow, which is, you know, we're doing more international stuff, obviously.

00:47:15.480 um and they brought down take over 50 canadians in march and they had a whole weekend here and

00:47:23.720 again they come they got opportunity to see a bunch of stuff and we have another trip i just

00:47:28.260 heard from tulsa tomorrow the other day that they have uh i think over 50 more people coming

00:47:33.420 um there is and they have a wait list and they have a wait list for more trips we'll start with

00:47:38.920 Ariella and then we'll go around the room. Is just leaving Canada an option? You know, Michael left,

00:47:46.420 Joe Roberts left. I've spoken to friends who are saying, you know what, it's not safe for me

00:47:51.040 anymore. I don't feel this is a place for my family to prosper. Are you considering being

00:47:55.740 part of the exodus, Ariella? I've been considering being part of the exodus for a long time. Not

00:48:01.700 just, not necessarily Canada, like it's been Toronto and it's been, you know, the one place

00:48:07.360 that i see that um it's you know there might be some hope to stay in canada is calgary and staying

00:48:14.200 in alberta and you know now that like jeremy farkas has clearly brought a new tone to the city

00:48:19.520 and um obviously you know there's still some issues when it comes to um certain parts of

00:48:26.180 of alberta and um uh and what the provincial government's doing to help the jewish community

00:48:33.060 but there are significant things that they are doing to help the Jewish community.

00:48:36.640 So I think in terms of anywhere in Canada, that's like where I see myself going.

00:48:41.600 But of course, I think about leaving. 1.00

00:48:43.460 It's, you know, I was in Santa Teresa, Costa Rica over in February, and it's all Israelis. 1.00

00:48:52.520 And I was like, well, I could just move here and live here and speak Hebrew and eat a lot

00:48:57.780 of really good, great Israeli food and surf every morning.

00:49:00.100 And, you know, it'd be great.

00:49:02.700 it it would be a dream or you know there's so there's a lot of definitely things where i think

00:49:08.300 about leaving joe roberts originally i long before michael left joe was trying to convince me to go

00:49:13.620 but i told him i just seen twister and there was about a 0.0 percent chance that i was going to be

00:49:19.340 making that move um but it is it's really hard because you know i am i'm single i you know i i

00:49:27.160 have my parents in canada still but that's you know in terms of family but they're not even in

00:49:31.680 Toronto I my most biggest attachment is my dog who would go any I could take anywhere so it's

00:49:37.960 very easy for me it's much harder and my job is remote and I can do it from anywhere it's much

00:49:43.920 harder for other people who have kids who have elderly parents who have all these you know own

00:49:48.660 a house who have more significant connections I understand and I feel for them because it does

00:49:53.600 have that it is far more difficult and um you know it's easy for me to just like decide tomorrow I

00:49:59.300 want to pack up and go and decide where I want to go and and do it so um I do think that I do

00:50:06.120 think after a speech you saw um a lot more people starting that conversation again um because it was

00:50:13.080 very clear like the message might as well just been like good luck and and godspeed go on with

00:50:19.000 your lives um so I I do think that I'd had the exact opposite impact and it if the rumor is true

00:50:26.900 that Trump is going to announce refugee status

00:50:30.880 for Canadian Jews,

00:50:32.240 like, I guess that will show a lot

00:50:36.340 of what will happen with a lot of people here.

00:50:39.020 Well, that is the claim that

00:50:41.040 that's why Carney did the speech

00:50:42.700 is because Trump is going to do the same offer

00:50:47.440 for Canadian Jews as he did for Afrikaners.

00:50:50.240 So since I mentioned Afrikaners,

00:50:52.160 let's talk to Talia. 0.82

00:50:53.900 You've made that move once before. 1.00

00:50:56.640 Your family came to Canada. Is it still safe? Is it still appealing to be here? Or, you know, is Canadian society just saying, Jews not welcome?

00:51:08.460 You know, I go back and forth and my husband and I go back and forth. And after the speech, he looked at me and he said, OK, maybe we wait for our youngest to finish high school and then it's time to go.

00:51:19.720 And we keep our short list, right? Florida, Texas, Israel, Calgary, we keep our short list.

00:51:31.460 But I also listened to Melissa Lansman, and after the speech, she said that she's going to stay and fight.

00:51:37.060 And that's the part that I, the side I tend to stay on, is that I'm going to stay and fight.

00:51:43.000 I feel a certain responsibility to the Jewish community here in Canada.

00:51:46.680 And, you know, we have our list of demands that we created just before this speech came out that we are going to keep fighting for, right? We want a minister in charge of anti-Semitism. We want a standing commission filled with experts actually on anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. 0.90

00:52:05.500 Not a DEI committee?

00:52:35.500 of the IRA definition of antisemitism. I will stay and I will fight for these things. That's

00:52:40.900 what I've decided that I'm going to do. What about you? Where do you stand?

00:52:44.880 I mean, we're, we have been advocating for years, been fighting for years, but I'll tell you

00:52:48.340 something, um, you know, getting out this actually specific to this question. We've gotten hundreds

00:52:53.780 of emails about people saying, I want to leave. I'm done. I don't, I'm sick of this. Where do we

00:52:57.700 go? Where do we go? Where do we go? So about a year ago, we said, okay, we're going to listen

00:53:01.320 to the community. This is what they're asking. We should, those who want to fight, we're here.

00:53:04.980 those who want to leave we're here so um since then we quite a bit has happened um firstly we

00:53:12.520 started uh recently a group on whatsapp our tough seek whatsapp group called plan b

00:53:18.900 with 200 members since carney's message

00:53:23.440 if you see that 132 people pending to to enter there's gonna be 400 people in this room by

00:53:31.500 before next week these are people who are like okay it's time to get the hell out of here and

00:53:36.680 so we we started studying this where where because a lot of people the same emails come up they say

00:53:41.280 where do we go where do we go obviously the the obvious answer is israel right i mean like that's

00:53:46.660 our homeland that's if you're going to leave canada you should go to the homeland but a lot

00:53:50.180 of people simply can't do it they don't speak language or they're you know whatever it's very

00:53:54.300 difficult it's incredibly expensive it's just not affordable what other places so we started doing

00:53:59.540 research into different countries and different places that the people who want to leave can

00:54:03.080 find. And we discovered Panama. And we discovered Panama. And we've been very, very vocal about

00:54:09.860 Panama when people ask, because it's the only country in the world outside of Israel that has

00:54:14.380 a program specifically to bring Jews to the country because we contribute to the country,

00:54:20.120 we contribute to the culture, to the financial sector and everywhere else. And then so we

00:54:25.680 started going there. And then we started doing groups to come see what it's about. We met with

00:54:29.520 the Jewish community. We met with the ambassador of Israel to Panama. Met with the owners of the

00:54:34.620 banks. We met with ministers. We met with a lot of different places. And now we're looking to go,

00:54:39.160 okay, well, if people want to go somewhere where it's incredibly inexpensive, it's probably the

00:54:43.900 safest place on the planet for the Jewish community after being there four times in the

00:54:48.080 past year alone. I mean, I went up to one guy on Shabbat and he was wearing the kippah and everything

00:54:52.600 else and i said so hey man uh first of all shabbat shalom he's like shabbat shalom and i asked him

00:54:56.680 are you not concerned about walking around like this and his answer was well i mean it's not that

00:55:03.080 hot today so no he didn't even understand he didn't even understand what i was asking i said

00:55:08.780 no and then he realized he goes oh you mean anti-semitism you're in panama my friend that

00:55:14.200 was his response um it is a different world it is incredible you don't have to suffer here people

00:55:19.220 want to leave they should leave people want to fight they should fight i don't think anybody

00:55:22.680 should be telling anybody what they should or should not do but the truth is there is an exodus

00:55:27.840 building i promise brian the moment there's going to be that terrorist attack that's going to

00:55:32.620 lead to actual uh death you're going to see thousands of people pick up and leave they are

00:55:39.600 not going to stay here because canada is no longer canada canada feels like syria it's starting to

00:55:46.060 and nobody's waking up to it.

00:55:47.540 And by the way,

00:55:48.620 the people who are fighting

00:55:49.760 to preserve Canada the most

00:55:52.040 are the Jewish community. 1.00

00:55:54.200 It's a Jewish community fighting

00:55:55.760 because our Christian friends, 1.00

00:55:57.800 they just don't want to get involved.

00:55:59.420 They've been beaten down for so long,

00:56:01.500 you know, by the left and by the woke

00:56:03.600 and they're the evil 0.89

00:56:04.580 and they're the worst 1.00

00:56:05.400 and you're a white male 0.98

00:56:06.220 and you're this and you're,

00:56:07.400 they just don't want to get involved.

00:56:08.720 But the problem is

00:56:09.320 if they don't get involved, 1.00

00:56:10.440 when the Jews are gone, 1.00

00:56:11.720 it'll be them. 1.00

00:56:12.940 So, you know,

00:56:14.420 when you talk about people wanting to leave,

00:56:16.060 A lot of people want to leave.

00:56:17.500 I mean, we are hearing it nonstop.

00:56:20.440 You know, Amir, you really stuck on one of our biggest issues that we have here in Canada.

00:56:25.460 And by the way, we're visiting Panama in December.

00:56:28.500 You'll love it.

00:56:29.360 Yeah.

00:56:29.880 We decided we got to check out all the places we might potentially have to run to.

00:56:34.280 And, you know, like Ariella said, I have that.

00:56:36.540 I have four kids.

00:56:38.960 I've got old aging parents.

00:56:40.880 I got a lot of people I have to move.

00:56:42.600 and, you know, kids with lives who hadn't established lives here in Canada.

00:56:47.760 So it's not so simple. 1.00

00:56:49.980 But, you know, the biggest problem that we have is that it continues to be a Jewish issue 1.00

00:56:56.040 and it really shouldn't be. 0.99

00:56:57.280 This is a Canada issue and we are painfully, painfully lacking that silent majority

00:57:06.120 to come out as allies and stand up for Canada. 0.54

00:57:10.040 I don't even need them to be like, you know what, stand up for the Jews and thereby standing up for Canada because, you know, it's a cliche for a reason that they say, you know, it starts with the Saturday people, then they move to the Sunday people. It's a cliche for a reason. And if all the Jews are gone, the next target is the Christians, right? 0.52

00:57:28.720 It's the LGBTQ and the Christians, which makes no sense at all when you, you know, when you stop and think that it's the woke left that are fighting for this jihadi ideology that's coming for them next, right? 0.62

00:57:44.220 It's such cognitive dissonance, but the silence of the silent majority is painful.

00:57:53.360 It is the most painful thing, I think, that we deal with in the Jewish community.

00:57:59.120 And the silent majority, and I include the majority of the Muslims in that silent majority, 1.00

00:58:05.120 that will not speak up for the Jewish community. 0.99

00:58:08.960 And who are they waiting for? Will they speak up for who's next? 0.97

00:58:14.220 Well, as you both know, as you all know, I'm willing to speak up, but I'm in the minority there.

00:58:20.940 Thank you all for speaking up today.

00:58:23.360 Thank you for joining us, and sorry that we're at a point where people feel they have to leave Canada.

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Carney officially gives up on Canadian values for fear of losing the bigoted vote

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