Full Comment - Hamas controls the narrative now

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00:00:46.100 Those are the disturbing sounds of a protest at Concordia University in Montreal.

00:00:51.060 One of many protests at Canadian universities,

00:00:54.380 universities around the Western world taking part to denounce Israel

00:00:58.480 In that clip, what you heard was a professor from the University of Montreal telling a Jewish student to go back to Poland 0.99

00:01:05.940 before calling her a whore. 1.00

00:01:08.840 Behind him, students join in in the protests, 0.99

00:01:12.480 calling out colonizer, colonizer.

00:01:15.220 This is what we're seeing around the world as the war in the Middle East, as the war between Hamas, that Hamas started against Israel,

00:01:24.820 spills over into the streets of Western society.

00:01:27.040 And we're watching it through a particular lens.

00:01:30.220 Are we getting the whole story?

00:01:32.440 Hello, welcome to the Full Comment Podcast.

00:01:34.460 My name is Brian Lilly, your host.

00:01:36.280 And today we continue to look at Israel.

00:01:38.320 We continue to look at the war, what you're seeing, what you're not seeing or hearing.

00:01:43.020 Where is the truth?

00:01:44.440 Our guest today is Caroline Glick.

00:01:47.500 She is a journalist with the Jewish News Syndicate.

00:01:50.020 She is host of the Caroline Glick Show.

00:01:52.140 And she's an American woman who moved to Israel as a young woman.

00:01:56.420 Like any Israeli, she ended up serving in the Israeli Defense Forces 0.97

00:02:00.840 and has been living through the last month and a half, month or so, of this war with her family in Jerusalem.

00:02:09.940 She joins us now.

00:02:10.980 Caroline, thanks for the time.

00:02:12.860 Oh, pleasure to be on your program, Brian.

00:02:15.140 You've been covering Israeli politics for a long time, long before the war broke out a month ago.

00:02:22.140 But did you ever expect what you've been discussing the last few days would be such a topic?

00:02:27.440 These photographers with AP, with Reuters, with CNN, with the New York Times being embedded,

00:02:35.200 not in the fighting now, which you might be able to understand.

00:02:39.300 Again, journalists have long done embedded assignments with, you know, both sides of all kinds of wars.

00:02:45.500 But the actual invasion on October 7th, did you ever think that that would be something you'd be discussing?

00:02:51.260 I didn't give it a lot of thought.

00:02:54.980 So to say that I was, you know, that I was flummoxed by it, no, I mean, it never occurred to me that it would happen,

00:03:01.640 but it never occurred to me that it didn't happen.

00:03:03.360 But on the other hand, our experience with the international media and with their Palestinian fixers and their Palestinian correspondents in Gaza in particular,

00:03:14.220 but also in the West Bank, has been that the Palestinian fixers and the Palestinian reporters that work for these international news agencies

00:03:24.100 are very much mobilized on behalf of these Palestinian terrorist organizations.

00:03:29.360 We saw back in the 2000s in the Palestinian terror war, Reuters photographers and Reuters reporters repeatedly were ferrying terrorists to and from terrorist attacks in Gaza.

00:03:42.620 We had a 2003 suicide bombing at a restaurant in Tel Aviv adjacent to the American embassy called Mike's Place.

00:03:53.940 And the terrorist suicide bombers, who were British, actually, were brought to the site of the bombing by an Italian journalist.

00:04:02.260 I mean, so we've had a lot of incidences over the years in which Palestinian and also international journalists have been engaged in assisting in terrorist attacks against Israel.

00:04:19.220 And then the coverage itself has been constrained or has censored, self-censored information.

00:04:26.020 For instance, AP censored deliberately the fact that Hamas dead, that they count them in over the years and in repeated rounds of fighting against Israel.

00:04:40.120 They count their dead terrorists as civilians so that they so that now they're saying there are 4,000 dead children.

00:04:47.880 There are, I think, 9,000 overall civilian casualties.

00:04:50.960 And there's absolutely no reason to trust the numbers because in the past we've discovered that both news services and Hamas, which is putting out this information as propaganda, always say that their fighters are, you know, 8-year-old children and they're not.

00:05:09.360 And so we're not surprised by the collusion of the media.

00:05:13.200 We're not surprised by the propagandas.

00:05:15.580 The fact that these photographers, I mean, we saw Reuters photographer was actually doing a selfie of his invasion of Israel and he was holding, he's holding a hand grenade in his hands.

00:05:28.880 You shared that on X.

00:05:30.080 He's, he's on the back of a motorcycle.

00:05:32.280 Hassan Esliaya is, you know, someone who has worked for all of these major news organizations and he's got a grenade on the back of a motorcycle.

00:05:41.340 That, you know, even with what you've discussed and I've known some of it, it's still shocking to me that they would ride shotgun on the way to an invasion.

00:05:51.880 Right.

00:05:52.380 Holding a hand grenade.

00:05:53.400 He's holding a hand grenade in his hand. 0.98

00:05:55.600 So he's a terrorist.

00:05:56.720 I mean, that's the point is that these people say that they're reporters and they're actually terrorists and they're part of like the, you know, military spokesman, you know, agency unit in the Canadian military or in the Israeli military or in the American military or what have you, except that they're both terrorists and so-called reporters.

00:06:16.020 And what's worse about it is that, you know, our soldiers who are in the military spokesman's unit, they, they, they're, they're in uniform and you know that it's their statements.

00:06:25.380 But in this case, the New York Times, CNN, AP and, and Reuters are paying them for their propaganda.

00:06:33.200 They're paying, they're actually financing terrorism by paying these people money for their work.

00:06:39.360 We've been dealing with the issue that our state broadcaster here in Canada, CBC, won't refer to Hamas as a terrorist organization.

00:06:47.780 That's a longstanding policy.

00:06:49.500 I think it's a wrong headed one.

00:06:51.340 It post media, be it Toronto Sun, National Post.

00:06:54.380 We call them terrorists.

00:06:55.580 We call them what they are.

00:06:57.700 But we seem to be in the minority among many in the, in the Western media.

00:07:04.340 Uh, we finally got some pushback where they've started to say when the reporting, the death counts that you were discussing before it was just the Hamas Ministry of Health says, and there would be, or yeah, sorry, the Gaza Ministry of Health.

00:07:22.860 There'd be no, but it is the Hamas Ministry of Health.

00:07:25.900 There'd be no acknowledgement until recently that, well, okay, maybe take this with a grain of salt, but this group controlled by Hamas says this.

00:07:35.540 They're now, some of them, starting to say the Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health.

00:07:43.120 How do, you know, average citizens who still, for the most part, I believe, are on Israel's side here in Canada and in the United States, how do they put on the pressure on these media outlets to start telling the truth?

00:07:55.900 Um, you know, I, I don't really know.

00:07:59.320 I mean, we, we've gone around this.

00:08:01.220 We, we've been subjected to this brutal abuse by the international press corps here in Israel for decades, for decades, for as long as I remember.

00:08:10.520 And I'm in my, and I'm in my fifties.

00:08:12.540 Um, you know, we've, we've never, ever seen coverage, uh, by the so-called mainstream media in the West of Israel that is anywhere, even in the neighborhood of fair or objective.

00:08:26.140 So, you know, what can you do?

00:08:28.040 I, I don't know.

00:08:29.040 You want to protest outside?

00:08:30.620 Uh, you want to, you want to say you're not going to pay your fee for CBC, uh, so long as they continue to, uh, treat Hamas as some sort of a military organization because you'd never heard of a military organization that burns babies alive.

00:08:46.920 I mean, you can do any of those things, but I, I, it's the longest they have, uh, they, they know that they will always be budgeted, that nobody will be fired, that nobody will be held to account.

00:08:59.080 And that's what we see also in Israel.

00:09:00.720 I mean, our media is terrible here as well.

00:09:02.600 And the worst are the people in the state media, because they don't have to worry about any profit margin.

00:09:08.680 They'll get their money no matter what.

00:09:10.620 And as long as your government doesn't threaten their funding from the government, they're going to continue on.

00:09:15.600 So I think the only thing that you can do is pressure your government to stop funding them.

00:09:19.740 Israel has, um, I was having this debate with, uh, with one of my colleagues.

00:09:24.500 I said, I think Israel has done fairly well in the PR battle.

00:09:28.520 And they said, do you really think so?

00:09:30.860 They seem to be losing.

00:09:31.860 And I said, well, imagine what it would be like if the spokespeople for the IDF weren't out there, uh, putting out straightforward information and you can take what the IDF says with a grain of salt as well.

00:09:43.400 If you wish, you know, it's probably wise to, to do that for all sides when you're dealing with a, with a war, but without them being out there, they wouldn't, I mean, it would be even more one-sided than it is now.

00:09:57.800 But, but, but I want to ask you, you, you've got teenagers, um, the, the, the world has changed and young people are consuming all their news, what news they do consume.

00:10:09.260 Um, um, at the end of their hand on their phones, they're on Tik TOK.

00:10:13.860 And so the IDF and the various spokespeople, they're great at going on TV.

00:10:18.460 They're even pretty good at Twitter and Facebook.

00:10:20.800 Um, but one of my colleagues recently did an audit of how the, the war is being covered on Tik TOK.

00:10:28.580 And he said, Hamas is winning there. 0.93

00:10:30.580 Um, have, have the Israeli defense forces, the Israeli government, have they adjusted for the new time period?

00:10:38.380 I mean, there's nothing you can do about Al Jazeera, but, you know, have they adjusted to the new technology and the way people are, are consuming news?

00:10:46.400 Because I'm sure you saw the poll that showed 18 to 24 year olds in America, mostly backing Hamas.

00:10:53.040 Look, I mean, the, first of all, yes, I think that we have soldiers, young soldiers who are doing videos on Tik TOK as well.

00:11:02.480 And a lot of Israeli influencers are on Tik TOK as well, but there's really nothing you can do because Tik TOK is a Chinese platform and they're pushing out this stuff with their algorithms and they're putting the Bella Hadids of the world on everybody's front page.

00:11:17.400 And this is very much a deliberate policy on the part of the Chinese communist, uh, uh, regime.

00:11:23.320 So, you know, this isn't, this isn't entirely, and, you know, in something that can be controlled by Israel and, uh, and, and it's a problem. 0.70

00:11:32.800 I mean, the Trump administration's warnings about Tik TOK, which the Biden administration ignored were based on, on reality.

00:11:40.520 You know, Tik TOK is a hostile platform.

00:11:42.760 They're poisoning the brains of Americans. 0.96

00:11:44.420 They're poisoning the brains of young people all over the Western world. 0.97

00:11:47.600 And you look at the, what, what the content that Chinese, uh, children are, are getting, are consuming from Tik TOK and it's all mind games. 0.98

00:11:55.660 It's all Rubik's cubes and things like that to improve their, their cognitive capabilities.

00:12:01.400 And in America, they're, they're the exact opposite. 0.91

00:12:04.280 They're trying to dumb everybody down and make them addicted to pornography. 0.93

00:12:07.720 So, you know, there's only so much that you can do in a platform like that.

00:12:12.080 And I think Israel is doing its best, but I was looking at the data.

00:12:15.780 Maybe it was the data that you're, that you guys compiled, but I mean, it, it, the, the disparity between what young people are seeing of pro Israel versus pro Hamas, uh, Tik TOK posts.

00:12:28.180 I don't know what it was.

00:12:29.120 Was it a hundred to one or 10 to one?

00:12:30.980 I mean, it was an, it was an enormous disparity between the two.

00:12:34.760 And I, I don't know how much, uh, how many resources Israel can put into it.

00:12:39.180 I mean, the other thing is that you have to understand that these young people are predisposed to hate Israel because they've been indoctrinated, uh, by the, by the, by the, uh, what are they called?

00:12:50.200 The, the, the diversity crowd, the, the EI crowd to think that, you know, that Israel is an oppressor here and that Hamas is the oppressed and Israel therefore can do no good. 0.96

00:13:00.760 And we deserve to be raped and butchered and kidnapped and Hamas can do no wrong because, you know, whatever. 0.99

00:13:07.340 Or the fact that there's been no Israeli presence in Gaza since 2005 is immaterial. 0.98

00:13:13.120 You know, the, it's all facts have no meaning for people who have been indoctrinated into this false narrative that says that Israel is to blame for everything.

00:13:21.940 It's a blood libel, but it's being taught to children throughout Western, throughout the Western world, beginning in kindergarten and going through university and, and, and postgraduate studies that, you know,

00:13:34.660 you can go to the best university in, in, in, in, in a Western country, you can go to the best schools and you will never read a book about Israel that has any truth to it.

00:13:46.000 And they're all written by professors who have been tenured because that's what they do.

00:13:50.740 They've, they're on this assembly line of lying.

00:13:54.000 And so, you know, these people in many cases, they just, you know, you, you, they're, it's like a lead box, you know, you can't get any truth into them because they're fully indoctrinated.

00:14:03.700 And it's, that's the real problem.

00:14:05.440 It's a bigger problem than TikTok, but the same people who allow TikTok to operate in Western countries, knowing that it's a Chinese communist party platform for propaganda.

00:14:16.380 They're really, you know, they're to blame and they're the same people who have been enabling this indoctrination of, of, of the West.

00:14:24.280 We, we had professors at York university and the university of Toronto at law schools, probably our two most preeminent law schools in the country, put out statements in support of the resistance in the hours and days after the October 7th attack.

00:14:44.320 Uh, this week we've had, you know, more demonstrations at Concordia university in Montreal, a professor from the university of Montreal showed up at Concordia and was yelling at a Jewish student, go back to Poland.

00:15:00.280 You know, that's one of the tropes, right?

00:15:02.120 Well, Jews aren't, um, they're not, they're not indigenous to the Middle East.

00:15:06.780 They come from Poland.

00:15:07.620 They come from Eastern Europe, go back there. 1.00

00:15:09.260 Uh, but the students behind them just kept yelling colonizers, colonizers at a group of Jewish students trying to set up a, just a, it was an information table that that's, that's the level of indoctrination that you're talking about, that we, we didn't seem to care or mind as these ideas are put forward.

00:15:31.760 And people would just say, oh, don't worry about it.

00:15:34.280 Oh, it's fine.

00:15:35.580 What harm can it cause?

00:15:37.420 And I've been speaking out against it for years and now we see exactly what kind of harm this causes.

00:15:43.480 Yeah, I've been speaking out against it and warning about it for more years than I can remember, but, um, you're right.

00:15:50.820 Uh, and, uh, and now suddenly the Jews in America, the Jews in Canada, the Jews in Australia and other places are waking up to the fact that while they were, 0.74

00:16:01.760 they were explaining away this anti-Western indoctrination that placed the Jews sort of in the center of the groups that you're supposed to hate, right.

00:16:13.220 In addition to white people, in addition to their, their founding fathers and all of their different countries, um, you know, that they were explaining this away and black lives matter and we're liberal.

00:16:23.540 And, you know, we want to help the oppressed because we believe in that too, because we're liberals that they never understood that the people who were pushing these lines, hate them.

00:16:33.680 And now they're suddenly waking up that this is what they, they refuse to see.

00:16:38.480 And, you know, people like, I assume you, and certainly myself, you know, we were demonized for calling out the hate because we were alarmists.

00:16:47.340 So we're, well, how can, how can you be against, how can you be against diversity, Caroline?

00:16:53.060 Diversity is good.

00:16:54.080 How can you be against equality?

00:16:56.880 It doesn't include Jews.

00:16:58.280 It doesn't include white people.

00:16:59.720 You know, it just goes on and on.

00:17:01.960 It doesn't include men.

00:17:03.380 It's like animal farm. 0.71

00:17:04.980 It doesn't include men unless they're not heterosexual.

00:17:08.240 And, and then those, it really depends what they are.

00:17:11.080 So, I mean, it's all of these groups that are not included in, in the, in the protected classes.

00:17:18.680 The minute that you develop protected classes, then obviously by omission, you're saying these people you can attack and it's okay.

00:17:25.040 And with impunity and look, you know, a Jewish man, a 16, 69 year old man was bludgeoned to death on the streets of Los Angeles.

00:17:33.360 Right.

00:17:34.060 This week.

00:17:34.700 And his assailant, his, his identity is known.

00:17:37.960 He was video doing it.

00:17:39.440 And the police still haven't arrested him.

00:17:41.960 And he's, and he's got Hamas propaganda and praise for Hamas on his social media.

00:17:47.460 And he deliberately targeted this old Jewish man for death. 0.90

00:17:51.680 And he killed him.

00:17:52.920 And, and the sheriff of Ventura County in Los Angeles is saying he doesn't know, you know, he died of cerebral bleeding after he fell on his head.

00:18:01.840 And he doesn't know whether it was a blow to the head by a megaphone that caused him to fall or whether maybe he had some, you know, brain problem that caused him to fall and he would have fallen anyway.

00:18:11.380 You know, it's like, you know, you were shot in the head with a, with, with, with, with a bullet and your brain explodes.

00:18:17.780 But, you know, you know, the shooter isn't arrested because the sheriff can't decide whether, you know, your brain might've exploded on its own, even if you hadn't been shot.

00:18:26.380 So that's the same thing.

00:18:27.920 And that's what he's saying that's that 69 year old, uh, Philip Kessler, who is dead, right.

00:18:34.900 Is, is, is still not, it's still, his assailant is at large because Los Angeles can't figure out whether killing an old Jewish man holding an Israeli flag in front of a bunch of pro Hamas, pro genocide, uh, demonstrators on the streets of Los Angeles, California, where they're killing him as a crime or not.

00:18:54.960 You know, because both sides, right. 0.89

00:18:58.240 Uh, we, we, we've had an, an, a mom in Montreal lead people in a chant calling for God to kill all of, uh, their enemies.

00:19:07.740 Uh, I'm looking at one of the videos that you posted in Brooklyn of Hamas supporter taunting a Jewish man because he's bleeding after they hit him over the head with a chair.

00:19:18.860 Uh, Suella Braverman, who's the British home secretary actually came out with a, 0.61

00:19:24.960 a piece in the times of London saying that police in that country, metropolitan police specifically in London are treating what's happening now very differently than they would any other,

00:19:37.640 uh, mass, uh, protest organizing, um, that they would crack down on others and they're not cracking down here.

00:19:47.580 And she's calling them up for it.

00:19:48.700 There are calls for her to be fired for pointing this out, but whether it's here in Canada, in the United States, in Britain, there is a double standard at play.

00:19:58.760 Look, I mean, Suella Braverman isn't saying anything that should be even slightly controversial, right?

00:20:08.460 But the metropolitan police, they have an, an Islamic affairs advisor.

00:20:13.340 It was reported last week.

00:20:14.880 This guy led chance from the river to the sea.

00:20:18.160 Palestine will be free.

00:20:19.320 And he's advising the metropolitan police in London about how to handle Muslims.

00:20:27.300 So not surprisingly, if these are the people who are giving you advice, people who support the annihilation of the Jewish state and the Jewish people, 0.97

00:20:35.380 then you're going to come up with all kinds of things.

00:20:37.640 Like, for instance, on your national remembrance day of, for the British soldiers who were killed fighting world, the world wars,

00:20:46.300 that you're going to have, um, a million man march of terrorist supporters of, of genocide supporters walking through the streets of London.

00:20:56.120 And, you know, openly, virulently hateful of Jewish people, hateful of, of Britain, hateful of the country that they've immigrated to. 1.00

00:21:05.540 They hate it and they hate what it represents and they hate Jews and they want all Jews to be dead. 0.99

00:21:12.080 And the metropolitan police doesn't have any problem with them marching. 0.99

00:21:15.700 And by the way, you know, every previous weekend that they've had these mass marches, mass rallies on the streets of London by these jihadists,

00:21:25.280 people, these jihadists have, lo and behold, attacked and hurt people, hurt police officers.

00:21:31.820 They've attacked police officers, they've attacked Jews, they've attacked innocent people walking down the street, including innocent Jews, right? 1.00

00:21:40.880 There's such a thing, but nothing's happening to them.

00:21:43.860 Instead, the metropolitan police is demonizing Suella Braverman for calling them out on this.

00:21:48.720 Our prime minister finally came out with a bold statement a few days ago, uh, denouncing anti-Semitism, saying that this is not who we are as Canadians,

00:21:59.700 but it took Justin Trudeau several weeks to do this.

00:22:04.180 Um, he, uh, he had to wait until there were two fire bombings in his hometown of, uh, one of a Jewish community center, one of a, um, a, uh, a synagogue.

00:22:14.200 Um, there has since then been two shootings at Jewish schools in the same area.

00:22:21.220 Um, we've had the, you know, a Roma espresso bar, uh, targeted with thousands of people showing up outside locations, banging on the windows, graffiti, yelling for boycotts, uh, because there is Zionist businesses, a cafe land where the same thing.

00:22:38.940 Um, this has gone on and on, and it, and it took him weeks to finally say it. 0.97

00:22:45.140 If leaders don't speak up early and quickly, it allows this sort of bullshit to grow. 0.99

00:22:52.620 You're right. 0.99

00:22:53.440 And it's not just that you have to remember what the effect of these, of these attacks on these Jewish, on these Jewish, uh, institutions and, uh, kosher restaurants.

00:23:03.880 I mean, all of them are located in neighborhoods with large Jewish populations.

00:23:09.740 And so the people who live in these areas, even if they weren't, they weren't directly targeted, they're terrorized by what just happened because it's in their home.

00:23:21.260 It's where they go to school.

00:23:22.540 It's where they go to synagogue.

00:23:24.100 It's where they eat.

00:23:26.300 Um, these are cafes that, you know, that, that religious Jews eat at because they're kosher.

00:23:32.520 So you're, you're, you're talking about a phenomenon, but that's, that's geared towards terrorizing the entire Jewish community of, of, of, uh, of, um, of Canada.

00:23:44.760 And just like it's happening in America as well, and in Australia and in other countries.

00:23:49.040 And the thing about your prime minister, Justin Trudeau, I'm glad that he came out with a statement.

00:23:52.820 I haven't seen it, but you know, we have to remember, I mean, we in Israel were appalled and the image was widely shared on Halloween, right?

00:24:01.800 After they beheaded, I don't know how many hundreds of Israelis, soldiers, young men and babies, right?

00:24:11.720 On October 7th, his son had, he, he took a picture, how cute of his son's, uh, uh, Halloween costume that his son is about to go out in.

00:24:23.260 And it's of somebody without a head and he's carrying the skull in his hand.

00:24:28.960 And Israelis looked at that and said, what the hell is this?

00:24:33.280 I mean, he's got cultural sensitivity to every, every minority group.

00:24:39.860 Anybody ever heard of?

00:24:41.260 And some probably that you've never heard of, but we just went through a slaughter of Holocaust proportions. 0.83

00:24:47.840 Where among the many sadistic acts of, of Hamas monsters was wholesale, wide-scale beheading of Jewish victims.

00:24:59.280 And not only Jewish victims, also Thai, uh, Thai farmers who work here as, as, uh, as, um, as guest workers in our fields.

00:25:10.160 They were also subjected to beheading and torture.

00:25:14.780 And here is the prime minister of Canada's son dressed up as somebody without a head.

00:25:20.920 It, it was, we, we were appalled by it.

00:25:24.360 And that's actually, frankly, the only thing that I remember since October 7th in relation to your prime minister.

00:25:31.260 Yeah, well, he, um, he's been a bit soft.

00:25:37.080 He was good with his initial statement on Israel having a right to defend itself in calling Hamas what it is, a terrorist organization.

00:25:44.620 Uh, but, uh, until this statement just a few days ago, he's been, he's been very soft.

00:25:50.300 He's been trying to heal divides in his party because, uh, there are people who think, um, he shouldn't be so kind to Israel.

00:25:59.100 That he should be more on the Palestinian side. 0.74

00:26:02.460 And, you know, that's something that progressive parties in particular, not just them, but in particular, they are having to deal with right now as, um, as this pulls them apart.

00:26:12.300 Caroline, we've got to take a break, but when we come back, I want to ask you about the institution capture and the capture of our professional class in this.

00:26:22.600 Because so often when we discuss, uh, bigotry like this, people slough it off as, well, it's the uneducated.

00:26:32.720 Um, we're seeing right now that it's the exact opposite.

00:26:36.400 So I want to ask you about that when we come back.

00:26:38.680 At McGill University on November 9th, the 85th anniversary of Kristallnacht, there was a poster being distributed and it called for a national day of shutdown in support of a rally for Gaza.

00:26:57.600 And you could say, well, look, it's free speech.

00:27:01.220 They're just talking about the issue.

00:27:03.480 But here's the problem, the poster calling for the national day of shutdown, being distributed on one of Canada's preeminent universities in a city with a large Jewish population, a school with a large Jewish population, featured an image of a group of individuals kicking and breaking glass windows.

00:27:20.840 They were memorializing Kristallnacht while calling for the national day of shutdown in relation to Gaza.

00:27:28.260 Caroline, these are our supposed elite institutions.

00:27:33.480 I have watched doctors, lawyers, academics, union leaders, the people who are supposed to be the best and brightest of our society, be the ones leading the charge on horrific anti-Semitic statements, including one doctor saying, in response to another doctor online, who, you know, one doctor in Toronto said, I'm worried seeing Jewish businesses targeted, um, our schools, daycare centers, and everything else next.

00:28:03.020 And a fellow doctor replied, look at what's happening in Gaza, you guys deserve all this. 0.99

00:28:11.780 This is not what people think of, that we don't, you know, stereotype, yes.

00:28:16.860 But it's stereotyped that, well, this sort of bigotry belongs to the uneducated.

00:28:22.720 These people are highly educated.

00:28:24.160 They are supposed to be the elites and they are leading the charge.

00:28:27.960 Right.

00:28:28.500 You know, I mean, I saw that Professor Alan Dershowitz spoke about this, uh, I think yesterday in a clip that I saw today, where he said that these, uh, pro-Hamas demonstrators on university campuses are today's Hitler youth.

00:28:41.800 And that's true.

00:28:42.680 Um, they're acting with the same, uh, with the same thuggery that the Hitler youth, uh, have behaved, trying to shut down anybody who opposes them and beating them. 0.81

00:28:53.960 And we've seen this on Harvard campus.

00:28:56.160 We've seen it at, at Columbia campus.

00:28:58.180 We've seen it at all the elite campuses in the United States.

00:29:01.380 And the other thing that we find, and I have a podcast, the Carolyn Glick show a couple of weeks ago, uh, Victor Davis Hanson was my guest.

00:29:08.720 And, uh, and Victor Hanson explained, he said, look, you know, when you look at the data with the polling, the higher the level of education, the less the support for Israel, because the people who go through these institutions of higher learning, particularly the more elite ones are fully indoctrinated into this anti, this Jew hatred, which has been repackaged from antisemitism, which the Nazis and the proto-Nazis invade invented when they said that the Jews were erased.

00:29:38.700 I mean, we're not erased, but whatever.

00:29:40.540 They said the Jews are erased and where we're subhuman, we're the lowest on the totem pole, and we're also the most dangerous. 0.99

00:29:47.020 And therefore we have to be destroyed because every single person who is Jewish is a threat to all that's good. 1.00

00:29:53.220 And they repackaged it after the Holocaust is anti-Zionism because the center of Jewish life moved to the state of Israel, the Jewish state. 0.96

00:30:01.020 So if you say that you're not antisemitic, you're anti-Zionist, well, that may be true. 1.00

00:30:05.200 Maybe you don't hate Jews as a race, but you hate Jews as a nation.

00:30:08.700 And now the majority, the largest Jewish community in the world are the Israeli Jews.

00:30:13.960 You know, there are 7 million Jews in Israel.

00:30:16.860 And so when you're saying you're anti-Zionist, what you're saying is that you reject the basic humanity and the right to exist of the largest Jewish community on earth.

00:30:29.380 And that's exactly what's happening.

00:30:31.380 And just as the Nazi youth were all located at the most prestigious universities and elite institutions in Germany in the 1930s, 0.82

00:30:44.160 So, too, you see that the same annihilationist, genocidal Jew hatred that is taking off throughout the Western world, 1.00

00:30:56.280 its epicenter is the most elite institutions in those countries.

00:31:03.620 And so it's not a surprise that Harvard and Yale and Columbia and Stanford and Cornell have become epicenters of this call for the annihilation of the Jewish people,

00:31:16.700 because that's been the focus of efforts of these jihado Nazis, you know, spending billions and billions of petrodollars, 0.77

00:31:26.740 first from Saudi Arabia and then later from Qatar, and then billions of dollars from cultural Marxists like George Soros, 0.90

00:31:34.140 to indoctrinate the young of the West to believe that the heart of evil is the source of it all are the Jews, 0.98

00:31:43.800 and particularly the largest Jewish community in the world, Israel,

00:31:48.580 and any Jewish person in the diaspora outside of Israel, America, Canada, wherever, that supports Israel.

00:31:57.320 That's what BDS is about.

00:31:58.640 It's not anti-Israel.

00:31:59.780 It's anti-Jews who support Israel, which is the overwhelming majority of Jews who live outside of Israel.

00:32:06.700 So it's a way of targeting all Jews, and it's a way of targeting the Jewish state. 0.72

00:32:12.660 And its epicenter, the focus of the effort of these jihadis and their communist supporters,

00:32:19.140 have been the most elite institutions in our societies.

00:32:23.120 When you look at organizations like public sector unions,

00:32:26.740 you know, our postal workers' union for years has had a fixation on BDS, on Israel.

00:32:36.400 It's almost entirely run by, every time I look, by Francophone Canadians,

00:32:42.160 French speakers from Montreal and the rest of Quebec.

00:32:45.940 And yet their absolute fixation is the state of Israel.

00:32:54.280 During the October 7th massacre, by the time we woke up in North America, we knew what was going on.

00:33:03.520 We had union leaders like the head of the Ontario Canadian Union of Public Employees.

00:33:09.880 It represents office workers that, you know, will process forms for you in a government department.

00:33:16.580 He was celebrating the resistance and posting images of from the river to the sea.

00:33:22.200 I have no idea what this has to do with a labor movement, but it seems to have been taken over.

00:33:29.720 The UK Labour Party, you know, has gotten rid of Jeremy Corbyn and they've tried to deal with it.

00:33:35.480 But there is this obsession that it just leaves me absolutely fluxemed as to why it's there.

00:33:44.220 I mean, do you have any insight on onto that?

00:33:46.860 Yeah, I mean, first of all, you have to say that Keir Starmer, Jeremy Corbyn's replacement,

00:33:53.960 has been horrible in his statement since October 7th.

00:33:57.280 So, I mean, we just throw that out there as a little bit, you know, a little bit of trivia.

00:34:02.060 But a lot of these public sector unions have also been captivated by cultural Marxists and jihadists.

00:34:09.840 I mean, you see it as well in the United States and in the Oakland port.

00:34:13.440 We've seen over the past 15 years repeatedly port workers refusing to service Israeli ships.

00:34:21.600 And this week there was an effort to interfere with the shipment of military equipment to Israel

00:34:28.440 from U.S. bases that were going out of naval ships that were anchored in Oakland.

00:34:37.640 So these are acts of terrorism, actually, and they're being carried out by unionized port workers in the United States.

00:34:45.780 So that's also, you know, you see that as well.

00:34:49.460 The public sector unions in the United States, I would assume in Britain as well,

00:34:53.480 and like you're describing in Canada, have been captivated by these radical progressive organizations.

00:35:01.560 And the Red-Green Alliance is something that we've seen very clearly operating, certainly since 2000.

00:35:09.840 And throughout the years that Obama was president of the United States,

00:35:14.420 that cooperation has become much more powerful, not only in relation to the Jews,

00:35:21.200 but also in relation to the Jews, but also in relation to American society, to Republicans.

00:35:28.300 So you're seeing these public sector unions being weaponized.

00:35:33.060 What is the Red-Green Alliance?

00:35:35.300 The Red-Green Alliance is the working alliance between groups that you would consider to be progressive

00:35:41.620 with Muslim organizations that are aligned with jihadist terrorist groups, including Hamas.

00:35:48.380 And you can see the cooperation in things like in America.

00:35:54.400 For instance, you see it in Black Lives Matter.

00:35:56.400 So Black Lives Matter is kind of a, is supposedly on the left.

00:36:02.080 It's a progressive organization.

00:36:03.560 It's a progressive group.

00:36:05.280 And it's supported by far-left groups from Antifa and Democratic Socialists of America and others,

00:36:14.660 and also from more mainstream progressive groups, including the Democrat Party,

00:36:19.160 who want to get out ahead of the race issue and say that they support these organizations.

00:36:25.100 But from the very outset, the Black Lives Matter group has been openly anti-Semitic.

00:36:33.620 In their riots in 2020, they attacked Jewish businesses in Los Angeles and synagogues and everywhere from Los Angeles to Peoria, Illinois, deliberately.

00:36:45.200 They're also infused with the radical anti-Semitism of the nation of Islam.

00:36:50.200 You've had leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement, like Patrice Coulard, going to, going to, going to the Palestinian Authority on organized trips where they can conflate racial prejudice in the United States with Israel's oppression of the Palestinians.

00:37:13.220 And they've done this, you know, and they've enabled anti-Israel, the pro-Hamas, the pro-PLO, the pro-annihilation of the Jewish state Muslim groups, 0.60

00:37:28.260 to be an integral part of the intersectional alliance of Muslim organizations, progressive organizations, communist organizations in America and in other countries throughout the world.

00:37:44.960 So that's the last point I'll make, is that this whole thing is under this headline of intersectionality.

00:37:51.040 And the idea is, just like you see with the diversity, equity, and inclusion gestalt, that there are only certain groups that are protected because they're the ones that are oppressed.

00:38:03.340 So the intersectional alliance is the red-green alliance in action, where you have all of the groups that have been approved victim groups.

00:38:12.500 And the Palestinians are very much members of this group, the Muslim Brotherhood, which seeks the annihilation not only of Israel, but of the entire free world, is very much a part of this group. 0.99

00:38:22.720 And so they all work together.

00:38:25.320 So a couple of years ago, New York University, you had the Muslim students called for a boycott of all pro-Israel operations on campus.

00:38:38.180 And that call was joined by 52 student groups, because they're all part of this intersectional victims alliance.

00:38:45.740 And so the Palestinians called for boycotting Jewish students, and you had 52 groups on New York University campus who signed on the petition and said that they would boycott these Jewish student groups.

00:38:59.740 Wow. Before I ask you about what we're missing in the news here, I do want to ask you, do you take any hope that the U.S. House of Representatives did vote to censure Rashida Tlaib, the Democrat from Michigan, over her comments?

00:39:21.460 Look, I think the problem is the same as you're experiencing in Canada, which is that, you know, the surveys show since October 7th that two thirds or a couple of weeks ago, I saw three quarters of Americans support Israel and want Israel to finish Hamas.

00:39:42.120 And not only do they support Israel, but they passionately support Israel.

00:39:46.800 They think that supporting Israel is more important than any other foreign policy priority, including securing the U.S. border with Mexico.

00:39:54.860 So that is passionate support.

00:39:57.900 And yet the quarter or the third of American voters who side with Hamas and against Israel are predominantly members or voters of the Democratic Party.

00:40:10.100 And so when President Biden looks at the political reality of his party going into an election year, his willingness to actually do what the American people want him to do is small, is smaller than you would expect it to be.

00:40:30.840 His constant effort to balance U.S.

00:40:34.940 His support for Israel with U.S. efforts to curtail Israel's military efforts by, among other things, constantly hectoring Israel about what we can and cannot do in war.

00:40:45.520 And trying to force us to accept ceasefires that will only aid Hamas and imperil our soldiers on the ground in Gaza.

00:40:56.000 It's because, among other things, I mean, there are also a lot of people inside of the administration holding key positions that are deeply hostile towards Israel, like the special envoy to the Palestinians, Hadi Amar, who has legion ties to Hamas.

00:41:09.500 So you have people in key positions in the State Department, in the Pentagon, in the White House, who have histories of anti-Semitism, of support for Palestinian terrorism, of hatred for Israel.

00:41:24.540 But aside from that, if you assume that Biden really wants to support Israel, he has a political issue, which is that he has so many voters.

00:41:34.360 The state of Michigan, for instance, hangs in the balance, and he can't win re-election without Michigan, that has the largest concentration of Muslim voters, and many, many of them are radicalized and hate Israel in the United States.

00:41:49.000 And so he's looking at the political situation, and despite the overwhelming support that Israel enjoys from the American people, it's not clear that that support can actually be translated over time into meaningful and lasting support from the Biden administration for Israel.

00:42:08.680 As we pursue this existential war against this monstrous group of barbarians and savages who want to do us all in, who want to do to us what they did to our brothers and sisters and children on the Gaza border on October 7th, and what they continue to do to the hostages.

00:42:32.020 What are the main points, the main stories that we may be missing if we're outside of Israel?

00:42:41.100 You watch the news constantly, you comment on it on your own show.

00:42:47.040 I'm always pleasantly surprised when I see a good piece of reporting, and I'll give a shout out to NBC News that interviewed and pushed the Hamas leader on his call for a ceasefire recently.

00:42:59.220 I thought that was good, but we often get, as we were discussing earlier, a one-sided view.

00:43:05.200 There was a story that came out about Israeli tanks protecting a corridor so that Palestinian civilians could leave.

00:43:13.100 That doesn't get played up in the news.

00:43:15.160 What should we know, what should we look for that we're not seeing in the mainstream media?

00:43:20.240 It's hard for me to tell because I haven't been following your media so much to give specific things, but I want to just make a couple of general points that I think are really important.

00:43:32.120 The first one is that Israel always follows international law.

00:43:37.900 So anybody claiming that Israel is not acting in accordance with the laws of war is lying.

00:43:48.420 It's just not true.

00:43:49.420 It's never been true, all right?

00:43:52.060 In Israel's 75 years history, there has been one recorded example of Israeli soldiers receiving an illegal order and carrying it out, and this was in the early 1950s, okay?

00:44:06.380 So, you know, this is a slander.

00:44:09.580 So anything that you're reading in the paper that's claiming that Israel is carrying out war crimes is simply a lie.

00:44:15.880 I think we said at the outset of our conversation, you know, the data of Palestinian casualties being put out by the so-called Gaza Health Ministry is all Hamas propaganda.

00:44:27.200 We don't know.

00:44:27.960 In 2002, there was a pitch battle between dug-in Palestinian terrorists in Janine against IDF reservists.

00:44:38.600 And in the immediate aftermath of the Battle of Janine, Janine was the epicenter of the Palestinian suicide bomb complex. 0.91

00:44:48.420 And every house in the area that was the site of the battle was booby-trapped.

00:44:57.000 And our soldiers were being shot at from all directions, okay?

00:45:01.120 And at the end of the battle that day, the Palestinians said that it was like the Warsaw Ghetto, that Israel had conducted a carnage of Nazi-like proportions against innocent Palestinians.

00:45:14.760 Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of the UN at the time, called for a fact-finding mission and accused Israel of crimes against humanity.

00:45:24.340 They said that there were 500 people killed, at least, and that they were all civilians, and that Israel had deliberately targeted them.

00:45:33.000 And when the dust settled, we had lost 22 soldiers that day.

00:45:38.100 And you know how many Palestinians were killed?

00:45:40.560 55.

00:45:41.600 And you know how many of them were terrorists?

00:45:43.800 Almost every single one of them.

00:45:45.640 It was all a lie.

00:45:47.440 And yet, the blood libel of the Janine refugee camp battle of 2002 lives on still today.

00:45:55.400 They just created this lie.

00:45:57.960 And all of these credible, moderate Palestinian spokesmen that the West always said that they were the peacemakers.

00:46:05.840 They were the ones that need to get a two-state solution.

00:46:08.180 First and foremost, Saibar Ikat, if anybody remembers that name.

00:46:11.200 They were the ones putting out this blood libel on CNN, to Kristina Amanpour, and to all these other senior reporters.

00:46:19.140 And none of the reporters that were propagating this blood libel were ever called to account for the lies.

00:46:24.960 And none of the Palestinians who were disseminating this blood libel were ever disgraced and refused entry to television studios worldwide.

00:46:34.780 And none of the international diplomats that were accusing Israel of carrying out Nazi-proportioned crimes against humanity were ever demoted or fired for doing this.

00:46:45.560 But Israel, the blood libel of the Janine refugee camp, lives on still today. 0.99

00:46:50.920 And it resonates in the horrid, the wretched reporting regarding what's happening on the ground in Gaza.

00:46:57.660 I don't know how many people on the Palestinian side have been killed.

00:47:01.420 And I don't know what the breakdown is between civilians and terrorists.

00:47:06.640 I have no idea.

00:47:07.880 But neither does anybody else.

00:47:09.700 But what I do know, and what everybody knows, everybody who knows anything knows, is that the data that is being put out by Hamas are lies.

00:47:19.380 They're all lies.

00:47:20.420 And the idea that the AP, the CBC, Reuters, CNN, BBC, all of them are reporting these numbers, even if they say the Hamas-controlled Gaza health ministry, they are parroting lies being put out by a terrorist organization. 0.99

00:47:38.620 People have to recognize that so much of the information that they're getting on the ground from Palestinian sources is pure and utter crap. 0.98

00:47:48.820 It's just not true, and it's all propaganda. 0.96

00:47:51.860 But that's not what they're getting.

00:47:52.960 Instead, what they're getting is, according to Israeli military sources, but people on the ground in Gaza are disputing that.

00:48:01.180 So that the people whose honesty is questioned are the people who are almost always to a fault being honest.

00:48:10.360 And the people who are being credited with truth-telling are the people who are to a fault always lying.

00:48:17.180 It's got to be incredibly difficult for you.

00:48:19.360 Caroline, thanks for the time today.

00:48:21.540 And we'll continue to watch you on your own show and perhaps speak again soon.

00:48:27.340 Thanks so much.

00:48:27.760 And you can also follow me at JNS.org and also on my website, carolynglick.com.

00:48:32.400 Thanks so much for having me on your program.

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Full Comment - November 13, 2023

Hamas controls the narrative now

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