Full Comment - Special： Rex Murphy’s year-end interview with Pierre Poilievre

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00:01:29.880 This is Full Comment Podcast. My name is Rex Murphy. We all have a cross to beer. And I will be

00:01:47.880 interviewing very special guests, especially at this time of year and especially at the end

00:01:53.000 of this particular year. Mr. Pierre Polyver, the leader of the opposition. And should you wish a longer

00:02:01.240 version, and I'm sure you will, of this of this podcast, it will be available on nationalpost.com

00:02:08.760 starting December 19th. Pierre Polyver is the guest year-end interview.

00:02:14.680 Mr. Polyver, you've had, in this particular year, the greatest, to some people, surprising acceleration,

00:02:29.080 both in your popular standing and in the sway of your politics, and I'd like to say so,

00:02:34.280 your performance in the House. What is it that came together that convinced enough people

00:02:40.120 that you were more than a viable candidate for the next prime ministership?

00:02:46.680 And I know it's a hard question to answer because it feeds to ego, but what are the cold things

00:02:50.600 that you say, this is why I am where I am now?

00:02:55.720 Very simple. Two things came together. My words match with people's living experience. They hear what I

00:03:04.600 say, and they look around and say, yep, that's what I live. So when I say that after eight years of

00:03:11.320 Trudeau, everything's broken, life costs more, work doesn't pay, housing costs have doubled,

00:03:16.600 crime, chaos, drugs, and disorder are common in our streets, people look around themselves and say,

00:03:23.480 it's self-evidently true. And when I say that I have common sense solutions for those problems,

00:03:29.560 acts the tax, cap the spending to fix the budget, and end the inflationary deficits,

00:03:37.000 when I say we're going to cut income tax so that hard work pays again, when I say that we need to clear

00:03:42.120 away the bureaucracy to build homes, when I say we're going to have jail and not bail for repeat criminals,

00:03:48.280 people say that's self-evidently common sense. So those are the things that came together to

00:03:55.320 give me the rising support we witnessed. I've thought, this is my thought, not yours,

00:04:02.440 and I'm not ascribing it to you either, but looking over the whole eight years of the current

00:04:07.240 administration, if there was a fetal fault, if there was something at the very beginning of this

00:04:14.600 tenure that more than any other thing, I'm thinking in terms of policy, distracted or removed the Trudeau

00:04:22.360 government from an appreciation of the whole nation. It was his obsession with what, in my judgment,

00:04:28.760 is this futile idea that Canada changes the climate of the world. In other words,

00:04:33.880 climate policies have become something of a sacred right in the Liberal government and that took

00:04:39.640 whatever, well, what they're pleased to call their minds off of everything else and kept them out of

00:04:44.760 contact with normal people. For him though, it's really about money and control. The carbon tax is not

00:04:50.840 about the environment. It's about raising money for him to spend. And most of his so-called

00:04:57.560 environmental policies are really about taking control over people's economic lives. And both have

00:05:03.000 been to great detriment. They've cost jobs. They've chewed up family budgets. They have contributed to

00:05:08.840 inflation. And my common sense plan is to do exactly the opposite of what he's done. He, you know, my view is that

00:05:16.840 we need to green light more green projects. Let's speed up mining approvals. Let's accelerate nuclear

00:05:23.880 energy production. Let's allow Quebec to build its hydroelectric dams with one approval rather than two,

00:05:33.480 gumming it up in bureaucracy. In other words, let's have an abundance of energy rather than a poverty of

00:05:39.240 energy that we're seeing now. It was a very strange thing when, as a, he wasn't then prime minister,

00:05:44.920 he made this sociological observation. He said a couple of things. He said, Canada has no core values.

00:05:53.000 And secondly, Canada is a post-national state. Now, whether he even understood fully intellectually,

00:05:59.800 it was, that's a very strange statement. We have no core values. And the idea of a Canadian identity

00:06:08.280 outside of some fuzz on the top of the head somewhere, how can a person who believes that

00:06:14.200 we have no core values be a prime minister? Well, I can't, I can't answer that question.

00:06:20.120 I sure as heck didn't put him there. But I'll go back to what I just said. It serves his ideological

00:06:26.120 objective of wanting the government to control everything. If he can say, well, the country has

00:06:31.480 no identity worth defending. And therefore, it is a blank slate at best. And if it's a blank slate,

00:06:39.320 then he can write anything he wants onto that slate, right? And that is effectively what he's done by

00:06:46.120 saying Canada has no history, by deleting our key symbols from passports, by trying to delete...

00:06:53.400 deep apologies for everything. Trying to delete key parts of our history and our past.

00:07:03.240 By doing that, by saying Canada has either a wretched history or no history at all,

00:07:09.000 that he is left to control the future. And that comes right out of Orwell. He who controls the past,

00:07:15.240 controls the future. Does it also indicate why, at least again from my view, so much of Canadian policy

00:07:23.240 policy at the higher levels, and I'm speaking only of the government, comes out of international agendas.

00:07:29.160 He's wedded to that lunatic COP performance. There's the COP, the COP conference. He's also wedded to the WEF.

00:07:38.600 Is Christopher Freeland still on the board of that thing? And by the way, we'll go back to Gilboa,

00:07:44.360 is he still with some Chinese? We can't have cabinet ministers functioning in the altitudes of 1.00

00:07:51.240 international organizations while they are cabinet ministers. I think we need to bring home control

00:07:57.320 of our democracy. Here we have a prime minister who has, one, allowed Beijing-controlled police

00:08:03.960 stations to proliferate in our country, two, allowed the Iranian-controlled terrorist group, the IRGC,

00:08:10.520 to legally operate and have 700 out of its agents freely roaming our country, terrorizing our people, 0.51

00:08:19.960 and three, import his ideological agenda from other countries and other places. You know, that is who he is

00:08:30.680 and what he believes. I think that's when I say bring it home. Let's bring home control of our democracy back to our

00:08:36.520 people so that we can decide for ourselves what we want. And that's what we will get when I'm prime minister.

00:08:41.640 Do you think that he has a view that while the prime ministership surely carries vast prestige in Canada,

00:08:49.480 that it's not quite large enough that he would prefer to operate more on a global scale than on what

00:08:56.600 some other countries might regard as a second power country? And that's why he's so eager to form these

00:09:02.440 international alliances, adopt international philosophies, and especially on the global warming

00:09:07.560 thing, which is a juggernaut, to tie himself in with the major players internationally on that front.

00:09:15.880 Like I said, I don't take issue with the idea of trying to reduce our emissions in order to combat

00:09:23.800 climate change, but I don't think that is his real objective. I think, again,

00:09:27.480 he uses that as a pretext to raise taxes, control the economy, effectively nationalize various parts

00:09:36.680 of our economy, and give himself more control at the expense of this long-suffering Canadian consumer

00:09:45.640 and Canadian worker. That's how I see it. At the end of the day, everything else is a pretext for him.

00:09:52.600 It's how does he take the most money and the most power from the country for himself, and every other

00:09:58.600 cause you will see him utter is a pretext to do that. Is that also, I'll get off the oil and gas

00:10:04.760 with this one, is that also why the Ruff, I think in many cases contemptuous, and possibly not even in

00:10:12.760 his jurisdiction, but his attitudes towards the West, farmers wanting some relief, the oil and gas

00:10:18.440 industry is a 20-year story, that these are not quite my class. I've often said that if oil and gas were

00:10:26.360 in Ontario or Quebec, that service stations would be decorated like basilicas. Is it because it's

00:10:33.960 Alberta and Saskatchewan? Is there an animosity there unexpressed that is getting expressed through

00:10:39.560 politics? I have no doubt that he has total disdain for Saskatchewan and Alberta. His father did,

00:10:47.560 surely his father gave him the finger. I remember. And I think that, but I think he has a lot of

00:10:53.560 disdain for many people. He attacks parents who object to his gender ideology as hateful. He attacks

00:11:01.320 small businesses as tax cheats. He attacks grandmothers who heat their homes as polluters. He attacks

00:11:12.360 anyone who disagreed with his authoritarian agenda over the last several years as a small fringe

00:11:18.680 minority. And to his credit, he took that back and apologized for it. But I think he meant it. And I

00:11:24.600 think he looks at anyone that is not prepared to cede their money and their freedom to his power. He

00:11:33.000 looks upon with contempt. That really leads me up to that current trial, the trucker's protest. You

00:11:40.040 were one of the few people, and I'm saying it not because I'm a conservative or I didn't like it,

00:11:46.040 but there were, you know, a great number of Canadians traveled a long, long distance to make a point.

00:11:51.160 I don't think they burned anything down. I don't think they shot anybody. They didn't rip Ottawa's

00:11:57.080 public buildings down or sprayed them with red paint. And yet Tamara Lynch, just to use her as an 1.00

00:12:03.400 example, is in some ludicrously extended trial of mischief and talk of interest. The slamming of that

00:12:11.640 particular protest to me was a signal moment of the character of that government. Secondly, should this

00:12:18.920 trial even be progressing or was it a confection of politics that he used to start an election?

00:12:25.240 Speaking of a confection of politics, I don't think politicians should comment on ongoing trials.

00:12:29.640 I'll give you that. But I will say that you can contrast all of what you just said

00:12:34.840 with his treatment of demonstrably violent criminals who terrorize our communities.

00:12:45.160 For example, under his bail reform, the same 40 offenders were arrested 6,000 times in the city

00:12:53.320 of Vancouver. Okay, so these 40 guys, or I presume they were guys. This is right out of a letter from

00:12:59.720 the BC Union of Mayors. These 40 guys committed 6,000 crimes. They hit 6,000 people over the head

00:13:05.560 with baseball bats or stabbings or robberies. They, you know, 40 of them, if you just locked them up,

00:13:12.120 you could have 6,000 fewer crimes. But we have a prime minister who is allowing such rampant violence

00:13:21.880 and disorder to run wild in many of our cities and towns. And yet, he's worried that you might

00:13:31.000 say the wrong thing on the internet so he has to censor you. He's decriminalizing crack but banning

00:13:35.720 plastic straws. It's insane. It's incredible how radical this guy is. And that's why I think my

00:13:45.000 message of common sense is so resonant with people across the political spectrum. Whether they're new

00:13:50.600 democrats, liberals, or conservatives, they just say let's get back to the common sense ideas that

00:13:56.440 worked and made our country such a wonderful place for so many years. I want to get down to

00:14:00.920 the international level. I personally, I'm not surprised, I'm almost astonished. I think of it in

00:14:09.240 terms of Canada. Let's say it was New Brunswick or Saskatchewan. Typical middle provinces, if you will.

00:14:16.360 If there was a certain morning that some wild, crazy, pathological and sadistic force walked across

00:14:24.280 the border in Canada and on the same day slaughtered 1200 ordinary people. I don't know calling them

00:14:32.040 civilians. They were at a music festival. And then perpetuated such barbarous acts that we have not

00:14:38.520 seen since the middle ages. Rape, tort terror, and I don't know how you, I know you have a young family,

00:14:46.120 the idea that men in armed suits would pick up eight month year olds and three year olds and an 87 year

00:14:52.840 old and haul them off to a tunnel. The reason for my giving you the elaborate speech of it

00:14:59.560 is that in any other context, if this was in this country on the same scale, we'd have maybe 5,000 people

00:15:06.600 involved. We would be talking and acting and pursuing this relentlessly. But on the international side of things,

00:15:16.200 the day of that butchery seems to have just dropped off the map. If we, if we lose, and I don't want to wish it,

00:15:22.760 if we were to lose 10 people in the violent act, you know, but the news media of Canada would be like,

00:15:27.560 this was 1200 shot, raped, beheaded, burned, and kidnapped. And the enormity of that offense

00:15:38.360 seems to slip away. Just like to hear your thoughts on it. It is appalling. Hamas is a genocidal

00:15:47.320 death cult that is determined to carry out a genocide on Israelis. And that would, of course, 0.99

00:15:56.200 only be the starting point. This is, I think this is part of a broader agenda of the Iranian regime

00:16:05.240 to disrupt what was an incredibly promising peace drive with the signing of the Abraham Accords

00:16:12.040 between Israel, UAE, Bahrain, potentially, and eventually Saudi Arabia. Can you imagine that? If

00:16:22.680 the country that is home to Mecca and Medina had signed a peace agreement with Israel, how we might

00:16:30.680 have moved forward from that towards a lasting peace that could have, probably would have included a

00:16:37.560 Palestinian state. But Iran, the Iranian regime wants exactly the opposite of that. And so they financed and, 0.55

00:16:48.200 I believe, orchestrated the attack. And I think that it is incumbent upon us to respect Israel's right 1.00

00:16:55.480 to defend itself, to totally defeat and disarm Hamas, to recover the remaining living hostages,

00:17:04.600 God willing, and to have the full surrender of the Hamas terrorists so that this never happens again. 0.63

00:17:11.960 Because, of course, we did have a ceasefire. They broke a ceasefire to do this.

00:17:15.320 They broke a ceasefire to do this. You know, there's my point. I know other people are saying it,

00:17:19.640 and people are much more standing than I. But when I watched the international demonstrations,

00:17:24.600 yes. And they swelled at 10 to 100,000. And you see the huge demonstrations of pro-Hamas or anti-Israel,

00:17:32.200 you can pick your own term. That's why I gave you that description. After the enormity, the numbers,

00:17:40.840 the surprise, the sneak attack, the brutality, and kidnapping of very, very young children,

00:17:49.320 how is it that the streets of North America and large parts of Europe seem to kind of wipe that

00:17:57.160 away and, oh, we must support the Palestinian cause? I don't get it. Well, I have no problem 1.00

00:18:04.680 supporting a cause that is favorable to the Palestinian people. But right now what we're seeing is an agenda

00:18:12.360 that is not pro-Palestinian. It is pro-Hamas. And Hamas is anti, in my estimation, is actually an

00:18:20.120 anti-Palestinian force because it has presided over the total misery of Gazans over the last decade and

00:18:27.320 a half since Israel left Gaza. And it is determined to perpetuate that misery in order for the fighting to

00:18:35.880 go on forever until they get their genocidal death wish. Now, my view is that Israel has the right to 0.99

00:18:45.160 defend itself and we can't allow Hamas to, you know, this resolution at the UN, for example, that 0.86

00:18:55.240 Justin Trudeau flip-flopped to support, it actually went beyond a ceasefire. It effectively said that

00:19:01.560 Israel should accept that Hamas can keep the hostages because that was an unconditional ceasefire 0.88

00:19:07.880 that did not include any mention of freeing the hostages. I know, it didn't mention Hamas or hostages.

00:19:12.840 There's no one that doesn't want an end to the fighting, but anyone in their right mind would have

00:19:18.600 to see that before that could happen, you'd have to have a disarmed, surrendered Hamas with obviously 0.90

00:19:24.120 the unconditional release of the hostages. There's the point that, as usual, I've obscured the question.

00:19:31.160 If there are going to be mass demonstrations, and there are huge demonstrations in every major city,

00:19:37.800 why is not the demonstration focused on this point? A, a villainous bunch of people killed an

00:19:43.880 awful lot of innocent people and tortured and maimed many others. So here's the demand for peace.

00:19:49.800 Hamas, cut it out, get your leaders out, surrender. Why is all the external pressure, 0.98

00:19:57.880 Israel must be appropriate? Hamas can end this as Hamas begun it, by stopping, releasing hostages.

00:20:07.400 But that's not being called for in UNs or in these other resolutions. It's upside down.

00:20:12.600 No, in fact, and that's the problem. If Israel were to stop today, then what would change? Well, 0.76

00:20:19.160 Hamas would just recruit or regroup and strike again in a couple of months. Not to mention they 0.50

00:20:26.440 continue to house the hostages. So, you know, it is just incredible that we would see that kind of

00:20:38.040 a resolution pass. My approach here in Canada, by the way, is we have to ban the IRGC terrorists, 0.99

00:20:45.320 who helped. The IRGC is the most sophisticated, well-financed and state-integrated terrorist group

00:20:53.160 in the world. I have no doubt they were involved in the Hamas attack of October 7th. And yet, 0.79

00:21:00.440 by the way, they've killed dozens of Canadians in the shoot down of the passenger flight PS752.

00:21:08.040 And yet, according to Global News, in an investigative report, they actually have 700 of their agents

00:21:15.800 operating with impunity, terrorizing Persians and Jews in Canada. And it's perfectly legal, 1.00

00:21:22.920 because they have not been listed as a terrorist group. So my common sense plan is to list the IRGC

00:21:28.520 as a terrorist group, to ban them, and to expel their leadership from our country.

00:21:33.880 We saw in the States recently, that's just to give it a kind of a high tag, the three university

00:21:39.560 presidents who had to stumble over whether it calls for, you know, rather desperate measures

00:21:45.720 against the Jews, was or was not anti-Semitic. That's not my question. I'm finding that through

00:21:52.120 talks with parents and people who have children in school, I know that schools at that level

00:21:56.520 is not federal, but we're all Canadians. What's going on in the Canadian school system that so many

00:22:02.920 school boards? They present themselves as activists in what we, in some derision,

00:22:11.480 refer to as the woke agenda. Sexuality politics, ethnic politics, identity politics,

00:22:17.720 these things have captured the entire attention of the whole school boards who are very radical

00:22:24.120 in pushing even against the arguments to it. I talk, in a sense like you, I have talked to so many

00:22:30.520 parents in schools in Ontario, these are rich schools by any standard, and the parents say,

00:22:37.320 we don't know what to do. If we could take, and this is some Catholic schools, city school,

00:22:43.480 if we could take our children somewhere else, they actually fear sending their kids to school

00:22:49.080 because they don't know the ideologies or the political preferences that are now substituting for

00:22:54.840 classroom instruction. It's a scandal. What do you think of it?

00:22:58.600 I think the school should get back to teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic, and we should

00:23:04.200 let parents raise kids and transmit their values to children. When Trudeau stepped in and stuck his nose in

00:23:13.640 the policy decisions of Premier Scott Moe and Premier Higgs to restore parental rights,

00:23:23.400 I told him he should butt out and let provinces run schools and parents raise kids. And that's

00:23:29.560 what I believe. Parents should be able to decide, and parents should obviously know what's going on in

00:23:34.760 the lives of their kids. But isn't that, again, one of the little index markers of where we are?

00:23:39.480 The idea that schools and some principals, and certainly some school boards, not almost,

00:23:46.600 with full arrogance saying that if young children come to us with one specific kind of problem,

00:23:52.360 the sexual confusions that obtain, we think we should be able to keep it to ourselves.

00:23:58.040 Where do they get the call to say that they're superior to the parents? Not from me. I don't know,

00:24:04.280 not from you. But they get support from a lot of quarters. And how is that stopped? This is not

00:24:09.080 a made-up thing. We have to respect parental rights. And I stand for parental rights. Because I trust

00:24:13.960 parents to make the right decision for their kids. And I know that parents are... This is a key area

00:24:20.840 where Justin Trudeau and I just disagree. He believes that he should be able to impose his

00:24:27.960 radical ideology on other people's kids by demanding provinces implement his thinking and calling anyone

00:24:35.640 who disagrees, whether they are Muslim, Jewish, or Christian parents, hateful. And so I think

00:24:41.720 he should butt out and let parents raise kids. The last question on that, the other thing about the agenda

00:24:47.240 that is in the schools, and I have too much information not to be completely solid on it, is displacing the

00:24:54.200 function of the school. We are to train minds, teach people to write, read, and science, and also some of the social

00:25:01.480 groups of virtues. But identity politics pursued with an intensity. It overwhelms everything else.

00:25:09.080 And if you haven't gone to the right washroom, or you said the wrong word to the wrong person,

00:25:14.120 suddenly this is it. I don't see a month dedicated to arithmetic, a month dedicated to history,

00:25:19.960 but 10,000 months for LGBT or some other foreign cause.

00:25:24.360 Well, listen, at the end of the day, I can't promise to fix that one. I'm running for prime minister,

00:25:31.240 so I won't be able to fix educational problems. But I think we need to get back to common sense on

00:25:38.200 all of these things. On these broader social questions, if I were to create a political

00:25:45.000 party from scratch, it would be called the mind your own damn business party. People can make the 0.98

00:25:50.680 decisions of who they marry, who they date, how they live their lives, but also how they raise their

00:25:57.560 kids. And I think if we had governments at all levels that live and let live, that had a policy

00:26:04.120 of live and let live, a true policy of live and let live, which ironically is what liberals used to say

00:26:12.680 25 years ago, then we would have so much more social peace because people could make their own

00:26:18.600 decisions and come to their own conclusions and raise their own families with their own values.

00:26:23.240 And I think by and large, parents are human, they'll obviously make mistakes, but by and large,

00:26:28.520 at the end of the day, parents and people will make the right decisions for their own lives and

00:26:33.800 their own families. And that's why my role as a prime minister is not going to be to impose my values

00:26:39.720 on other people. It's to get out of their faces and run a competent government. They want a government

00:26:45.480 that can deliver a passport, not a government that runs their lives.

00:26:47.960 Yeah. Coming towards the end, I've got two more. If you can in a compressed form,

00:26:53.640 and I know it's difficult because it's a wide territory, what is the main thing that would

00:27:00.680 differentiate your administration from the administration of Mr. Trudeau, should those

00:27:05.880 things come to pass? What's the essence? Well, the choice in the next election will be whether you

00:27:12.600 want a costly coalition of the NDP and Justin Trudeau that take your money, punish your work,

00:27:17.640 tax your food, double your housing costs, and unleash crime and chaos in your community,

00:27:22.600 or a common-sense conservative government that frees you to earn a powerful paycheck and pension

00:27:27.480 that buys affordable food, gas, and homes in safe neighborhoods. That's the choice.

00:27:31.480 And this is just kind of a particular question, but it's very bothersome.

00:27:36.680 The alliance between Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Singh, it may be correct, but it isn't right. They've

00:27:44.600 gutted the parliament of the one great function that it has, that if it wants a confidence vote,

00:27:49.320 it can get it. They've taken that out of the parliamentary. Why is Mr. Singh doing this?

00:27:55.160 Does he have any concern with his own NDP party now that he subdued them to the liberal brand? And is

00:28:00.920 there any way you can combat this particular, they don't like the word, coalition, that's guaranteeing

00:28:06.200 Trudeau's minority government the powers of the majority? Well, they are a coalition, a costly

00:28:13.480 coalition, and frankly Jagmeet Singh has forgotten who he works for. Because I can tell you the union

00:28:19.000 workers in the lumber mills of Vancouver Island or in the mines of Northern Ontario that elected NDP

00:28:26.920 members of parliament did not send their MP to go and work for Justin Trudeau. Yet that is what has

00:28:32.520 happened. And so good, hardworking union families that like to hunt and drive a truck and raise their

00:28:40.840 families are now represented by an MP that supports a government that's taking away hunting rifles,

00:28:48.600 taxing people's energy, and stripping away our resource, the very resource jobs that give paychecks

00:28:57.880 to those people. So Jagmeet Singh and his NDP members are literally working against the people they

00:29:03.960 represent in this coalition. But the good news is they'll be able to fire them and elect a common

00:29:09.160 sense local MP that will work for them. I know it's very early Christmas, one of the very busiest

00:29:15.000 times in politics. You've squandered 45 or 50 minutes with a useless human being. Not at all. Yes, 0.99

00:29:21.320 a useless human being. A very good human being. And I thank you very much for doing it, sir. Thank 1.00

00:29:25.880 you very much to you, Rex, and I wish you best for your health and happiness and Merry Christmas to all.

00:29:30.680 Well, I'll take that home. Cheers to that. Let's bring it home.

00:29:36.440 Well, thank you very much for watching this. This is Full Comment Podcast. My name, as I indicated at the

00:29:43.880 beginning, hasn't changed. Still Rex Murphy, we were interviewing Pierre Polymer. If you were

00:29:49.720 interested in a longer version of this interview, it will be available on nationalpost.com anytime

00:29:57.000 starting December 19th. Before I let you go entirely, Merry Christmas.

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Special： Rex Murphy’s year-end interview with Pierre Poilievre

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