Full Comment - November 02, 2026


The anti-Trump radicals storming the U.S. Congress are not our friends

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00:00:30.000 They want to put America's biggest corporations under state control,
00:00:35.040 draft a new constitution, abolish the U.S. Senate,
00:00:38.460 stack the Supreme Court, end policing for good,
00:00:40.920 defund the Pentagon, and close every overseas military base. 0.52
00:00:44.580 And they hate Israel and want to end America's alliance with it.
00:00:48.340 They're also planning to storm Congress on Tuesday.
00:00:51.240 These are just some of the official platform planks of the Democratic Socialists of America.
00:00:56.400 Oh, and for those of us in Canada, they really, really hate free trade and want to rip up Kuzma.
00:01:03.540 This is the story of the midterms that you aren't hearing anywhere else in Canadian media.
00:01:08.020 Hello and welcome to the Full Comment Podcast. I'm Brian Lilly, your host.
00:01:12.420 Most of the coverage you'll hear about the midterms treats Tuesday as a referendum on one man, Donald Trump.
00:01:17.800 That's fair to a degree. Trump's approval rating is underwater.
00:01:20.800 Democrats lead the generic ballot in key states, and Republican control of the House and Senate
00:01:25.660 is genuinely at risk. In Michigan, if state Trump won, his approval among unlikely voters is just
00:01:30.880 42 percent. But there's a second fight on Tuesday, and it may matter more for where American politics
00:01:36.540 goes next, the fight for the soul of the Democratic Party. A year ago, Zoran Mandami shocked the
00:01:42.640 establishment and won New York City. This summer, the DSA took that playbook national, and it worked.
00:01:48.440 DSA-backed challengers knocked off the chair
00:01:50.420 of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus in Manhattan.
00:01:53.000 They knocked off a 15-term congresswoman in Denver 0.64
00:01:56.580 and a sitting congressman in Detroit.
00:01:58.880 Now, the socialist left is everywhere.
00:02:01.280 In LA, a DSA member is leading
00:02:03.680 the sitting Democratic mayor.
00:02:05.320 In Florida, the Democratic Senate nominee
00:02:07.700 is a DSA member who, this week,
00:02:10.500 couldn't bring herself to say that Cuba is a dictatorship.
00:02:13.500 And back to Michigan, where Abdul El-Sayed,
00:02:16.540 who has called Israel's government as evil as Hamas
00:02:19.320 is in a dead heat for the U.S. Senate seat.
00:02:22.260 And here's what Democratic leaders
00:02:23.680 don't want to talk about.
00:02:25.300 Several of these incoming socialists
00:02:27.540 won't commit to voting for Hakeem Jeffries as speaker.
00:02:31.120 If Democrats win a majority, a narrow majority,
00:02:34.520 a handful of DSA members could hold the gavel hostage.
00:02:38.300 Their demands include cutting off aid to Israel,
00:02:40.460 Medicare for all, and new rules that would make it easier
00:02:43.680 to topple their own leadership.
00:02:45.460 So yes, Tuesday is about Trump, but it's also about whether the Democratic Party still belongs to the Democrats or whether the socialists are taking the keys.
00:02:55.700 Joining me today are two stellar writers who cover American politics, both for National Post.
00:03:01.480 J.D. Ciccille is a journalist, author, and avowed libertarian hiding out in the Arizona desert.
00:03:07.000 Besides National Post, he's written for the New York Daily News, Zednet, and is a frequent TV and radio contributor.
00:03:15.460 David Christopher Kaufman is a former New York Post editor and columnist and founder of the Octagon Project.
00:03:23.420 Gentlemen, welcome to a very interesting discussion about an interesting race that isn't really getting the coverage I think it should.
00:03:31.540 Well, except maybe on Fox News where they're obsessed with the DSA.
00:03:35.840 What are your thoughts on this?
00:03:37.460 You know, there's always been some socialists in the Democratic Party, or at least for the past while.
00:03:42.520 Bernie Sanders, he's an independent, caucuses with them, calls himself a socialist.
00:03:47.720 You've got AOC.
00:03:49.340 Ilhan Omar kind of flirts with it.
00:03:51.120 Is this new, David?
00:03:54.160 The DSA has been around for 40 years.
00:03:57.340 There's nothing particularly new about them.
00:03:58.880 What is new is their rapid infiltration into almost every single element of the U.S. government.
00:04:06.320 It's been sort of a lightning speed process. 0.98
00:04:08.680 You know, we had Mamdani. He's been in office as mayor of New York for barely a year. And in that time, we've seen DSA members find their place basically to almost throughout the entire government, Congress folks, possibly Senate, the mayor of Seattle's DSA, and quite likely the mayor of Los Angeles could be DSA as well.
00:04:34.680 So there's nothing necessarily new about the DSA. What is new is the incredible rapid fire pace that they've been able to secure spots in almost every element of the government. And of course, you know, they have their eyes all the way all the way to the top.
00:04:50.640 jd what about the difference between them and the traditional democrats i mean for a long time
00:04:58.540 republicans like to just throw the socialist card at democrats now you're just a bunch of
00:05:04.120 socialists these guys actually are they're not going to deny it it's in their name um
00:05:09.980 what's the big difference between the dsa and your traditional democrat you know in middle america
00:05:17.180 The traditional Democratic Party has been a market-oriented party, but with heavy regulation, kind of harnessing it on behalf of the state, more of a kind of a capitalist but welfare status party.
00:05:31.000 So they believed in private enterprise. They believed in private property. The DSA is a party within a party that is hardcore socialist. These aren't social Democrats. These aren't welfare statists. They talk about seizing the means of production.
00:05:45.500 They send missions to Cuba. They sympathize with the old Venezuelan regime. They are not believers in a modified capitalism or regulated capitalism. They don't believe in capitalism at all. They want state control of the economy, and they attach that to also an awful lot of bigotry, anti-Semitism, a real authoritarian streak.
00:06:09.660 The board of directors of the DSA is actually dominated by overt communists, not just socialists at this point. So the DSA is definitely a step beyond whatever slinging of the term socialism we've seen in the past at the Democratic Party. And it's quite a change of direction should its momentum continue for the Democratic Party overall.
00:06:34.380 Well, here in Canada, we've got the NDP, the New Democratic Party, and it says right in their constitution that they are socialists. But for the most part, they have been democratic socialists. They believe in, you know, publicly funded health care, things like that. But they're not trying to seize the means of production and radically change it.
00:06:53.500 There's always a few people within it that want to do that, but they are now looking.
00:06:58.020 We just had a mayoral election here in Toronto, and the mayor of Toronto that was re-elected,
00:07:03.620 she's a former member of parliament in the NDP, her late husband was the leader of the NDP.
00:07:09.420 And Olivia Chow openly looked to Mamdani as the template.
00:07:16.040 I mean, he is being looked at by the left all over the place.
00:07:19.260 That's an awful lot of influence.
00:07:22.540 It is.
00:07:22.880 And a lot of this has to do with momentum. There have been socialists in the Democratic Party in the past. Some of them may have changed their ideas over the years. Some of them may have realized that they just were never going to enact that.
00:07:35.200 And so they're stuck with the Democratic Party's more traditional, regulated economy perspective. But once you get actual advocates of seizing the means production and abolition of private property into office, it normalizes socialist beliefs.
00:07:53.620 So it becomes easier for those to sympathize with them to then to openly embrace them.
00:07:58.000 And then you build up even more of a head of steam for an overtly socialist movement and a socialist takeover of one political party, the Democratic Party.
00:08:06.320 But before we move on to the rest of the country, David, you live in New York.
00:08:10.640 Yeah.
00:08:12.020 Mom Donnie promised a lot of things that to me sound crazy, but voters obviously liked him.
00:08:17.940 We'll make all the buses free.
00:08:19.200 We'll have government-run grocery stores, free everything and no way to pay for it.
00:08:24.880 Has he actually delivered on these things?
00:08:27.900 Has he taxed the rich?
00:08:29.340 Has he eaten the rich?
00:08:30.840 Has he seized the means of production?
00:08:33.720 Or is he just more of a typical left-leaning mayor of a big city?
00:08:40.600 Yeah.
00:08:41.000 So I guess in the main, the answer would be no.
00:08:44.760 He did try to introduce this sort of what they call a pita-terra tax, a millionaire tax, on folks who own second homes in New York valued at over a million dollars.
00:08:56.320 And he announced that tax in a big, splashy sort of takedown of Ken Griffith in front of his $250 million apartment in Central Park South.
00:09:06.400 The problem, that tax got a lot of attention, got a lot of energy.
00:09:10.980 It really rattled the real estate community and the finance community who threatened to move their headquarters to Florida and other states.
00:09:25.960 It got a lot of support from Albany, from Kathy Hochul, but in the end, it hasn't been able to muster the legislative support that it needed to pass.
00:09:35.500 So at the moment, it's been stalled.
00:09:36.420 What is interesting about that tax, though, is that it was intended or it was framed as levying a wealth tax on folks who had second homes.
00:09:48.220 But in the end, the City Hall released a list of all the potential folks who could be taxed, who have homes valued over a million dollars, and didn't differentiate between whether those apartments were second homes or primary homes.
00:10:05.560 So, for instance, we were on that list and, you know, owning a home valued at a million dollars in New York City in no way makes you wealthy.
00:10:13.660 So it exposed, actually, it's the cost of admission.
00:10:16.960 It's the cost of admission.
00:10:18.220 So suddenly you had every single person in New York who owns a home over a million dollars exposed on a list to the public, which is, you know, quite an invasion of privacy. 0.54
00:10:27.460 And also, considering Momdani's views on Jews, Israel, his relationship with anti-Semitism, the idea that he's releasing a list of wealthy property owners in New York City who need to have additional taxes levied upon them in order to support the unwashed masses, you know, that's a complete dog whistle. 0.51
00:10:51.260 and it didn't go unnoticed.
00:10:53.880 So, and then in terms of,
00:10:55.280 so no, the majority of the
00:10:57.400 things that Mamdani has promised
00:11:00.040 have not come to fruition,
00:11:01.440 including his promise to arrest
00:11:02.840 Benjamin Netanyahu
00:11:03.760 should he ever come to New York City.
00:11:06.240 Yeah, well, Mark Carney promised
00:11:08.280 to arrest him if he came into Canada
00:11:10.080 and even talked about,
00:11:11.900 you know, should we deny him airspace?
00:11:15.500 Going after Netanyahu
00:11:16.800 is just something the left loves to do.
00:11:19.660 Let's talk about,
00:11:21.260 um how this was successful um you know fox news is obsessed if you watch them they are obsessed
00:11:29.240 with the dsa cnn and ms now not so much i mean what's wrong with these guys and besides they're
00:11:37.020 not that big a deal uh i found it fascinating that steve bannon who is central to the maga movement
00:11:44.220 was doing an interview with Ted Koppel and was incredibly complimentary to the DSA.
00:11:51.500 Steve has obviously followed their tactics and knows what they're doing. And he talked about
00:11:57.380 what Mom Donnie did in New York and how it's going to spread out of there.
00:12:01.840 And I just kept telling people, I said, you guys are missing it. This guy with the Working Family 0.96
00:12:07.700 Party and DSA, they're out in the boroughs every day with thousands of people. And what are they
00:12:14.040 doing? Canvassing. They kind of took, I think, the lessons of the MAGA movement from 16 to 20,
00:12:20.120 which is always grassroots base. At the end of the day, it always becomes, and you saw this in 24,
00:12:25.680 and what Elon got so excited about the race and what Charlie Kirk helped to perfect is that it's 0.82
00:12:31.100 door-to-door, it's canvassing, it is getting people out to vote, it is getting lower propensity
00:12:36.360 voters out to vote. And the DSA has done an extraordinary job at this, not just in New York.
00:12:42.880 He went on to talk about Texas and why he was in Texas trying to help Paxton beat back against
00:12:49.380 Tallarico. So do you feel either if you feel that his is a valid assessment that this is a
00:12:58.540 very different style of campaigning? J.D., you're nodding your head.
00:13:01.280 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the Democratic Socialists of America started off back when Michael Harrington and company helped launch it as basically kind of an elite intellectual movement represented a lot of academics, that sort of thing. It's transformed into, like MAGA, a grassroots populist movement. And I can see why Steve Bannon's attracted by it.
00:13:22.660 It's a counterpart to what he does, and it's probably a better organized, more ship-shaped version of MAGA. They exercise significant control over the members who have to basically vow not to break from doctrine. They have to endorse a laundry list of ideological belief points. Otherwise, they get expelled and they lose access to what the DSA has to offer.
00:13:48.700 So the DSA has transformed dramatically from what it originally was, and it represents, yes, another populist movement, much like the MAGA movement that Bannon started.
00:14:00.340 I'm reminded of Oster Wilde's line, David. The trouble with socialism is it takes up too many evenings. They're really good at organizing and holding meetings and getting people out.
00:14:10.900 Yeah, I mean, what's very impressive about the DSA, particularly here in New York, is that they've tapped into what I would call sort of a cultural or social Inuit amongst their mostly young followers in New York City.
00:14:25.380 So what you have in New York is this vast population of young people who show up here, probably don't have family, are overeducated, predominantly white, but also a racial minority, have gone through very expensive education institutions that have indoctrinated them with identity politics, DEI, racial ideology.
00:14:46.760 They suddenly find themselves in an extremely expensive city and metropolitan area, perhaps not advancing in the careers in which they would like, and often, as is the condition of New York, quite lonely.
00:14:59.840 The DSA has been able to tap into this sort of Inui, in a way, and provide these folks almost like, you know, the way 12-step programs offer something to do for alcoholics who are no longer drinking.
00:15:13.640 The DSA has been able to tap into this need for community by these young people who have not yet established their own communities and their own sense of belonging and connectedness in New York City.
00:15:25.680 And they've done this at the same time that we've had Trumpism, vast outrage of Trumpism, the pernicious effect of identity politics, and of course, tapping into the resentment of Israel's war in Gaza and the Palestinian movement, which in New York is directly, directly connected to the rise of Mamdani.
00:15:49.380 I often say that Momdani is the bastard child of Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:15:54.520 There would be no Momdani had there not been October 7th. 0.99
00:15:59.500 That's wild. 0.96
00:16:00.500 And just for listeners, I want them to understand that, David, you're saying that is a black Jewish gay man. 0.98
00:16:08.280 Oh, yeah.
00:16:09.080 Yes, that's me.
00:16:10.840 Living in the middle of that in New York.
00:16:13.380 Totally.
00:16:13.900 Completely.
00:16:14.520 Yes.
00:16:14.680 So I know what it's like here in Toronto with the rise of anti-Semitism and a mayor that has done nothing to push it back. In fact, there was one council meeting, people were complaining about some of the hate-filled marches in the streets, literally saying things like, we don't want no two-state, take us back to 48, from the river to the sea, all of that.
00:16:35.880 And she said, well, you might think those are crazies, but they're my crazies. She knows they vote for her. So did nothing. I know what that hateful feeling is like in Toronto. What's it been like in New York, especially for a Jewish person?
00:16:53.620 What I think to me is actually, Bannon didn't talk about this, but what was actually the most clever about Mamdani is the way in which he's been able to weaponize Jews against Jews.
00:17:08.000 I think this is very, very important to note, because in this atmosphere of rising anti-Semitism, we are now at record levels of anti-Semitism in New York City. Jews in New York represent maybe 11% of the population and over 50% of the population. 0.68
00:17:23.180 It's one of the largest Jewish centers in the world.
00:17:26.060 Right. But Jews in New York represent 11% of the population of New York, but over 50% of the population, 50% of the number of hate crimes.
00:17:34.360 But in that context, in this sort of fear, what Mamdani has been able to do is take groups of Jews who say, you know, we actively believe that he's anti-Semitic.
00:17:47.140 We actively believe that he's anti-Zionistic.
00:17:49.420 We actively believe that he is anti-Israel. 0.78
00:17:51.320 And he's marshaled other Jews to speak on his behalf to convince the Jews that don't like him that he's actually a good guy. So it's sort of wild to think. And as also a black person, I'm thinking to myself, there's no parallel of this in sort of the black community. 0.62
00:18:08.360 Trump isn't marshalling pro-Trump Blacks in order to convince the anti-Trump Blacks that he's a good guy. But Mamdani has been incredibly clever in weaponizing Jew against Jew in order to legitimize him. And this is a tactic now you're seeing throughout all of the DSA. 0.85
00:18:27.900 So right now with Abdul al-Sayed, this past week you had Mandy Patinkin, you know, a big sort of progressive, you know, liberal Jew, you know, issuing videos saying, please vote for Abdul, he'll keep us safe because he's the best weapon against anti-Semitism. 0.73
00:18:43.800 That is a direct play, that's directly out of the playbook of Mamdani who did the same thing. And what he also did was create an atmosphere where basically Jews were forced to sort of prove that he was anti-Semitic, which again, in the world of identity politics in America, you know, as a black person or as a gay person, if I were to say I've experienced racism or anti-Semitism, nobody would question that. They would rally around me to support me. I wouldn't be forced to prove it. 0.66
00:19:12.480 But what Jews have had to do now is they've had to prove that they're experiencing antisemitism, or they've had to prove that they believe a leader like Mamdani is antisemitic. And this has been one of the most sort of clever yet craven tricks in the sleeve of the DSA and their playbook. 0.84
00:19:29.580 This is a classic populist move is that you have to find an enemy, somebody who you can point your movement towards as the villains who victimize them. And for the DSA and socialists in general, it's wealthy people, but it's also, and they frame it not as Jews, but as Zionists. 0.69
00:19:46.740 And this is an effective means that gives some Jews, those who value, say, progressive political identity more than they value, say, their Jewish identity, gives them permission to turn against Israel and other Jews because then they're not self-hating Jews.
00:20:01.880 They're anti-Zionists, even though I think there's a very strong case to be made that anti-Zionism is simply a rebranding of hatred of Jews, just as anti-Semitism was itself a term invented by those that hated Jews to kind of add a pseudoscientific gloss to that hatred back in the 19th century. 0.54
00:20:20.100 Yeah, well, there's no doubt in my mind that anti-Zionism is just a repackaging. Let me take a quick break here. And when we come back, David, you wrote recently about how this is playing out in Michigan with Abdul El-Sayed and his obsession with Gaza. Is it actually hurting them with black voters in Detroit who don't want to hear about that all the time?
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00:23:36.860 These tweets have emerged now.
00:23:38.980 Had an amazing talk with my mom about her activism in the Muslim Brotherhood
00:23:42.080 during the early 70s while she was in college.
00:23:44.500 Hashtag respect.
00:23:45.680 My family has long been an MB. 1.00
00:23:47.000 Let me finish. 1.00
00:23:47.640 Praying for all my family that supports the MB in Egypt. 0.95
00:23:50.120 Can you just explain it? 0.99
00:23:51.260 Yeah, Tom.
00:23:52.320 It's funny to me.
00:23:53.400 I was born in 1984 down the street in Rochester Hills.
00:23:56.560 I was raised here in Michigan, went to the University of Michigan, rebuilt the health
00:24:00.140 department in the city, led the health department in this county. And you want to ask me about what
00:24:03.900 was happening in Egypt in 1970? Are you serious? I get it. But you were asked a question.
00:24:07.480 This is kind of like the same. Yeah, I'm telling you, like, we I have no ties. We have no ties.
00:24:12.400 So your mother had no ties. I have never had these conversations with my mother.
00:24:16.260 I wasn't raised by my mother. You were unaware. But but but I'm just telling you that, like,
00:24:19.920 you're using hearsay evidence from a tweet. It's just not serious.
00:24:22.920 And that was Abdul El-Sayed talking about why he will not answer questions regarding whether his family has connections to the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:24:34.800 Actually, before we go to your article, David, I'd like to ask both of you about that.
00:24:39.900 This is a guy who, El-Sayed, there have been a couple of questions about him that have gotten national attention.
00:24:46.940 And he just says, I don't want to talk about that.
00:24:48.700 Hassan Piker, who is a an influencer who said America got what it deserved on 9-11, who's had some pretty horrific views on all kinds of things, but is now a darling of the far left of the Democrats.
00:25:03.640 He's campaigned with El Saeed and he says, I don't want to talk about that.
00:25:07.820 No, no. Ask me a real question.
00:25:09.900 He had publicly said he and his family have no ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:25:14.300 Someone on Earth's social media post by his sister talking about how proud she is of her Egyptian parents, Muslim Brotherhood connections.
00:25:22.860 And he's like, well, why are you asking me that?
00:25:25.780 Like, I think these are valid questions for voters to get answers on who, you know, is it about bad political hygiene, David?
00:25:33.840 Yeah, so there's two issues here. 0.56
00:25:35.300 The first issue is that, you know, Al-Sayed is associating with—the reason why these questions are legitimate is that he is associating with folks, political parties like the Islamic Brotherhood or, you know, leftist streamer darlings like Hassan Piker, who advocate for extremely violent ideologies.
00:25:56.460 This, to me, is the main issue. The ideologies that they advocate for, that they align themselves with, preach extreme levels of violence. And if, say, a white Christian candidate had aligned himself, say, with the Ku Klux Klan or with the neo-Nazi party or, say, even a black politician had aligned themselves with Louis Farrakhan and the black Muslims, then those questions would, of course, be legitimate and they would be asked.
00:26:23.680 The other thing is that al-Sayed is sort of hiding or cloaking himself in the banner of Islamophobia. He's basically saying that these questions are Islamophobic, which, of course, is a dog whistle, which is, of course, a weaponizing of the identity politics that fuels the left and fuels America.
00:26:43.900 And calling things Islamophobic is basically a tool of silencing. Once you deploy that phrase, it is used to silence questions, silence dissent. We're seeing it with Ilhan Omar, who's calling the very, very legitimate claims of immigration fraud as racist or Islamophobic witch hunts.
00:27:04.540 So this is the issue with with al-Sayed. And the real question is, you know, why don't you just answer the questions, bro?
00:27:12.200 J.D., do you think finding out if your Senate candidate has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood is something voters should want to know?
00:27:20.500 Oh, of course, especially since El-Sayed himself corresponded with the old Muslim Brotherhood president of Egypt, Morsi, and urged him to purge dissenters from the ranks of the Egyptian government. So El-Sayed's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood are not peripheral. They're not second, you know, removed through a half-sister. They're kind of direct. He corresponded with the old president.
00:27:43.360 So, yes, this is a matter of concern, but it's also classic to turn around on accusations of totalitarianism or bigotry and just say, no, you're the bigot, you're the authoritarian.
00:27:53.680 And the fact is, El-Sayed has associated with Hassan Piker, who is not only openly anti-Semitic, but has praised the Chinese government and has embraced totalitarianism.
00:28:05.300 These are close and very troubling associations.
00:28:07.680 association. So his bigotry, his sympathy for totalitarian systems, his embrace of economic
00:28:14.600 authoritarianism. There are a lot of questions that El-Sayed, just like every other political
00:28:19.720 candidate, ought to be asking when very unsavory connections come up. And he has turned them away,
00:28:28.240 and I give him credit, very effectively so far. It's dangerous he's been able to turn them away,
00:28:33.220 but he has gotten away with it so far. David, you were writing the other day about how this
00:28:39.160 is playing out in Michigan. And since the New Deal, Black voters have been a solid part of
00:28:44.500 the Democrat coalition. And Michigan has a substantial Black population, especially
00:28:51.500 in and around Detroit, Wayne County, all of those areas. And you were saying that as if it's all
00:29:01.500 about Gaza, if it's more about Gaza than Detroit, then voters notice. Yeah, I kind of termed this
00:29:10.380 phrase Gaza-maxing. What you're seeing is, you know, Al-Sayed over-focusing on issues of
00:29:17.200 violence and, you know, the genocide and the Israeli apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank,
00:29:22.740 but Black voters in Michigan, particularly in Detroit, where Al-Sayed did not perform
00:29:27.860 very well against his Democratic challenger during the primary, they're saying, well,
00:29:32.740 what about us?
00:29:33.640 And one of the issues is that al-Sayed has been quite unique in Democratic candidates
00:29:39.500 in not really targeting Black voters as Black voters.
00:29:44.440 He's creating sort of a platform that's a sort of Big Ten platform.
00:29:47.780 I'm going to tackle, you know, Big Ten progressive issues that will trickle down and benefit
00:29:52.420 all constituents, including Black constituents.
00:29:55.680 But I'm not going to really talk about black issues per se. Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it might not have been the best thing in this particular campaign where black voters could actually be the kingmakers in this election because they represent upwards of 12 percent of Michigan's voter base.
00:30:17.060 And we're also seeing perhaps a big abandonment of Jewish voters from the Democratic Party because of Al-Sayed's ties to fundamentalism. 0.54
00:30:26.800 They're about 1.3, 1.4 percent. 0.82
00:30:29.740 Right. But every vote will matter in this election.
00:30:33.900 And what Black—I think what a lot of Black folks are saying in Michigan is they say they feel overlooked by Al-Sayed.
00:30:39.300 They feel like they haven't been acknowledged by Al-Sayed.
00:30:43.340 And obviously, this fear is real.
00:30:45.560 We saw Kamala Harris parachute in a couple weeks ago to sort of campaign with al-Sayed. They had a word salad festival, as you might say, making a lot of godly cook. But then we had Obama come in last weekend in an act that was felt like very much like a betrayal to many Jewish voters.
00:31:04.020 In fact, when he announced that he was going to come to Michigan and campaign with Al-Sayed, his office released a statement basically reaffirming his commitment to Jewish voters and to Israel.
00:31:17.220 So he knew what he was doing, and he basically said that Al-Sayed is sort of carrying the torch of his political and philosophical legacy.
00:31:25.880 So he's in some ways almost anointed Al-Sayed as, I don't want to say his successor, but somebody who is succeeding his spiritual political values.
00:31:37.520 And that's a very, very strong statement.
00:31:39.980 So I think that it's going to be a big night on Tuesday for black voters, and they could very well determine whether or not Al-Sayed wins and, more importantly, whether he loses.
00:31:50.140 what's fascinating to me is i i get all the michigan ads my cable package if it's an abc
00:31:57.020 channel or a cbs channel comes from detroit so if i'm watching something local on there
00:32:01.920 yeah i'm seeing ads for these guys i'm seeing ads from mike rogers who after being for trump's
00:32:07.640 tariffs on canada and campaigning on it for a while recently put out an ad where he's sitting
00:32:12.980 at a bar, uh, watching a Red Wings game. And he says, watching our Wings game while drinking a
00:32:19.580 Labatt, how much better can it be? So he's drinking a Canadian beer, uh, and calling for the trade war
00:32:25.380 to end, which, you know, they've softened bits of it to help out him and Susan Collins and Maine.
00:32:31.840 JD, it's been quite a long time since a Republican won a Senate race in Michigan.
00:32:38.220 As much as we're, you know, so many people are talking about a blue wave, this could
00:32:42.560 end up going in the other direction with Mike Rogers flipping Michigan red.
00:32:47.000 Are you shocked at that?
00:32:48.780 No, I'm not shocked at that because both of the major parties are undergoing enormous
00:32:52.840 and very important transformations.
00:32:54.640 And that means that they're leaving behind not just ideological positions.
00:32:58.420 I mean, the Republicans used to support free trade, relatively unfettered markets.
00:33:04.100 That's definitely not the case anymore.
00:33:05.540 The Democrats, too, though, are changing their ideological positions. And both parties, as they change where they stand on the issues, are leaving behind certain voters that used to be part of their bases. For the Republicans, obviously, we saw an exodus of a lot of free market types, a lot of people who were Republicans forever and said the party left them. And they were right. The party did leave them.
00:33:28.100 Democrats are seeing the same phenomenon. They're left behind first white working class voters, but they're leaving behind the working class overall. That includes blacks and Hispanics, too. And the question is, I mean, can you replace them? And they are replacing them.
00:33:41.900 They've become, the Democrats, the party of educated urban and suburbanites, kind of upper middle class to wealthy types. Can they do that fast enough to replace the people they're losing at the same time?
00:33:56.000 So that's where the test comes when you're watching a race like a El Syed Rogers race in Michigan, where Rogers is now pretending. Well, not necessarily pretending. I mean, I think that a lot of politicians don't necessarily have core beliefs, but he's becoming somebody you wouldn't have expected him to be five or 10 years ago. So we don't know which way these races are going to shake out because a lot's up in the air as the parties become something that they weren't in the past.
00:34:22.640 It's important to note that Donald Trump scored record numbers of Black votes in 2024. I mean, he had upwards of 25% of Black men voted for Donald Trump in 2024. And that's a remarkable number considering that he was running against a Black woman. And so the question is, will he retain that edge with Black voters this time? It's hard to tell.
00:34:45.380 And I will say that, you know, speaking of Democrats, I'm a lifelong registered independent. I've never been a registered Democrat or Republican, but I've always voted Democrat. And this year, I voted Republican for the first time ever. The party lost me in my local campaigns because of their affiliation with anti-Semitism and support for far-left extremism.
00:35:11.980 Well, what J.D. said there is maybe one of the most important parts of this conversation is that both parties are undergoing fundamental transformation. It's whether they stay on these paths.
00:35:24.200 you know, after Trump, does the Republican Party stay as a nationalist populist party
00:35:31.580 as opposed to a free market, free enterprise party? Did the Democrats move from being the
00:35:38.780 working class party to the DSA party, a somewhat nationalist but very much socialist party?
00:35:47.480 These are massive changes, J.D.
00:35:50.600 There are enormous changes, and whether or not the parties stay on this path depends
00:35:54.800 upon the success, for instance, in the midterms next week.
00:35:58.280 How do the paths they've chosen, the paths they've seen beyond the momentum that they
00:36:02.080 have, how does that work out for them with the voters?
00:36:05.080 Republicans for the last decade or so have rather rewarded Republicans for changing.
00:36:10.380 Their voters have supported the GOP for changing from a conservative party to a nationalist
00:36:17.420 populist party.
00:36:18.300 Democrats have all the momentum right now is with progressive candidates, not just DSA,
00:36:24.560 but left wing candidates overall. If that succeeds for them, they will continue on that path because
00:36:30.260 they're being rewarded for it. If it doesn't succeed right now, it looks like it is going to
00:36:34.380 work, but the margins are slim. If it doesn't succeed, they'll probably try something different.
00:36:39.220 The momentum will go out, you know, the wind will go out of the DSA sales, but it all comes out.
00:36:43.600 and this is why a lot about this race is uncertain. It all comes out into how do these
00:36:48.520 new paths work out for them? And then the people who succeed will rise to the top and take their
00:36:53.700 parties along with them. I'm not sure that most American voters fully grasp what's going on,
00:36:59.360 because let's face it, most people don't pay attention to politics the way the three of us
00:37:03.840 do. And so they're not in tune with this. They might get a sense right now, and then they'll
00:37:08.580 see more later on. But they may not fully get what's going on. I can tell you in Canada,
00:37:14.360 people here still think the Democrats are the party of Bill Clinton, and they're not. And so
00:37:22.100 as the midterms are coming on, they're saying, well, we'll just wait for the midterms and then
00:37:26.740 the Democrats will win. And, you know, we won't have to worry about a trade war anymore. The
00:37:31.360 Democrats won't be nice to us. And I've been saying the excitement's on the DSA side. You read
00:37:37.540 what they want to do to free trade they want to rip up kuzma they don't want to renegotiate it
00:37:42.380 they don't want to you know do it better they want to rip it up which means we're we're screwed up
00:37:49.240 here so i this is this is a very different party for both sides david i mean yeah i mean i i would
00:37:57.400 agree with jd i mean tuesday is going to really be the make or break moment i mean i i think the
00:38:01.620 question beyond the you know of course the relationship with canada and the relationship
00:38:05.080 with all of our important allies is key.
00:38:09.960 But we're also going to see is,
00:38:11.200 what we're looking for basically,
00:38:13.200 Tuesday will decide what is the pathway forward for 2028.
00:38:16.720 And I think that, of course, for someone like me, 0.55
00:38:18.840 the issue around Israel, Gaza, anti-Zionism is very important.
00:38:22.800 We're going to see whether or not these DSA tenants
00:38:29.180 become actual Democratic Party platform litmus tests.
00:38:33.120 You know, will any candidate who runs for president as a Democrat in 2028 be forced to denounce Israel? Will they have to say that there's been a genocide in Gaza? Will they have to agree to BDS? Will they have to agree to stopping arms shipments to Israel?
00:38:51.100 We're already seeing shadows of that. Kamala Harris was on record a few weeks ago in Seoul sort of saying that, you know, perhaps Biden didn't prosecute the war. Perhaps Biden should have had a much heavier hand with Netanyahu in Gaza during the early part of the war.
00:39:10.480 Obama was in Ireland talking about Israel overstepping in its founding. So I think what's
00:39:17.260 interesting is that Tuesday will really establish whether or not Israel will become a major issue
00:39:23.180 for the Democrats in 2028 and whether these sort of litmus tests will become a doctrine.
00:39:29.940 Well, if we're the canary in the coal mine, J.D., that's going to be where it goes. I know in
00:39:34.940 California, they're picking up on our land acknowledgement frenzy that we've got going
00:39:40.120 here. And it started on our West Coast and spread across the country. It'll start on your West Coast
00:39:45.380 and spread. And as far as what David was talking about, do you have to denounce Israel, call it a 0.90
00:39:53.040 genocide and support BDS to get the nomination? That's what you had to do to win in Toronto area
00:40:01.080 mayoral races this week. So if we're the canary in the coal mine, you're headed in that direction.
00:40:05.780 Is America ready for that? Well, no. And I also this country is very fragmented. So we may not
00:40:14.280 end up with a unified verdict across the board as to what happens. But look right now at what
00:40:19.780 leading figures in the Democratic Party and in the Republican Party are saying those leading
00:40:25.100 figures who think that they still have careers ahead of them, because what they're comfortable
00:40:29.340 saying in public shows where they think their parties are going in the future. And you're not
00:40:34.040 seeing a few Democrats, people like Jared Polis and Josh Shapiro, pushing back against the socialist
00:40:40.780 push and also pushing back against the anti-Semitism. But you're not seeing a huge
00:40:45.900 number. A lot more are embracing the term genocide, accusing Israel of that. They're
00:40:51.820 embracing denunciations of Zionism. It's not overt anti-Semitism, hatred of Jews as such.
00:40:59.340 But it's that one-step-removed, rebranded take on it to the point where, you know, you're watching Charles Schumer obviously do a two-step as he waits out what's left of his career.
00:41:10.020 And he's not coming out and firmly denouncing this movement.
00:41:13.360 So you can tell where he thinks his party is going.
00:41:16.000 What happens next Tuesday might determine where the parties go and what those politicians say in the future.
00:41:22.880 But where they think it's going right now is pretty clear.
00:41:25.940 Not all of the DSA candidates have to win.
00:41:29.120 We've mostly been talking about Senate races, but there's a number of congressional ones in New York and Denver and elsewhere where DSA candidates could win.
00:41:38.360 And, you know, assuming I think it's wise to assume that the Democrats are going to take the House at the least.
00:41:46.220 Hakeem Jeffries, they've been clear.
00:41:49.520 Oh, no, you can't be speaker because of the litmus test that you were talking about, David.
00:41:53.740 they will try and keep Hakeem Jeffries from being the speaker, even though he's the minority leader
00:41:59.920 right now, and will have been responsible in part for getting the Democrats back into majority
00:42:05.880 territory. That's craziness. What's also most crazy, if you think about it, and this is a piece
00:42:11.660 I wrote today in Honest Reporting, is that we see the media constantly promoting this idea of a DSA
00:42:18.500 they sweep across the country. But if you look at their actual numbers, the actual number of folks
00:42:24.540 who are voting for these people, in some cases, they're minuscule. Daria Villa-Chevalier, who is
00:42:31.780 up in New York District 13 in Harlem and the Bronx, she's this young activist. She won that
00:42:40.120 district by 2,000 votes in June in a district of 750,000 people. Barely 50,000 people voted.
00:42:49.460 That's another thing that the DSA has been so clever is that they've been able to seize upon
00:42:54.860 both the fact that Americans don't really vote, particularly not in sort of downstream campaigns,
00:43:02.740 but they've been able to seize upon these sort of smaller offices and infiltrate them with the
00:43:09.300 most minuscule number of vote numbers. Even AOC, who is quite possibly the most powerful female 1.00
00:43:17.360 politician in the United States, who very well might be the Democratic nominee for president 1.00
00:43:23.060 in two years, she only got 60,000 votes in her district earlier this year, a district of 750,000 0.99
00:43:31.480 people. So what's so remarkable is that these folks are now in possession of such immense power,
00:43:38.540 yet the number of their own constituents who vote for them, in some cases, is quite minuscule.
00:43:44.580 I get what you're saying. And I did read that piece that you wrote, David, but
00:43:48.240 you've got people like Angie Nixon in Florida. And I want to play a clip because I heard this
00:43:56.720 clip from an interview. She's running in Florida, home of the biggest Cuban population. And for
00:44:03.900 decades, Democrats and Republicans have been hostile towards the Castro regime because it's
00:44:10.320 a dictatorship and there's so many Cuban-Americans there. And she was asked, is Cuba a dictatorship?
00:44:16.080 Listen to this pathetic answer. Do you consider that Cuba is a dictatorship? 0.97
00:44:21.300 You know, that is what people have told me. I have never been to Cuba and so I will have to
00:44:25.860 take their word for it. And I know you're going to go into this. Where do I how do I feel things
00:44:30.880 need to be handled with Cuban relations. Right now, this decades long failed embargo has yet
00:44:38.540 to change over the regime. So, J.D., you know, questions about her intelligence aside,
00:44:44.500 Angie Nixon is pretty tight in Florida. This is not a runaway race for the Republicans against 0.94
00:44:52.080 a sitting incumbent. It's not. And David's point is absolutely right that the, you know,
00:44:57.480 the radical candidates are winning with very few votes in the primaries, except historically that's
00:45:03.220 always been the case, is that party partisans, you know, the rude true believers are the ones
00:45:08.180 who dominate the primary process. And then the average voter goes to the polls and has to kind
00:45:12.860 of pick between whatever they were handed. And what they were handed might be pretty unsavory,
00:45:17.760 but most Americans, when it comes down to it, are not very ideological. They're team players,
00:45:22.980 the route for Team Red or Team Blue. But even when Team Red and Team Blue mean something
00:45:29.020 very different than they did 10 years ago, because a few partisans got into the process
00:45:34.520 and changed the kind of candidate who could win these nominations, the average voter is going to
00:45:39.920 pick between the offerings on the ballot. And in the U.S., we generally don't have anything other
00:45:45.440 than, you know, a few small parties, sure. But it's really, you can pick from A or you can pick
00:45:50.460 from B, or you can stay at home. That's really all you have. So the average voter isn't going
00:45:55.700 to be determining, as they've never really determined, who the candidates on the ballot
00:45:59.680 will be. They'll simply pick between them, even if they're very radical and very different from
00:46:04.380 those parties might have presented in the past. Okay, two last questions. I'll get a reaction
00:46:10.540 from both of you on this. Both parties are embracing different things, being a bit more
00:46:17.280 radical. Does this show that the parties are more radical? People are looking to embrace or people
00:46:24.380 are looking to embrace more radical ideas. And do MAGA and DSA have more in common than they'd
00:46:31.140 like to admit, just different sides of the same coin? Well, I mean, I would say yes. I mean,
00:46:35.500 they're all, number one, they're all about optics. You know, if you look at sort of the MAGA
00:46:40.400 blonde and the MAGA family, you know, it's a heavily made up, you know, white woman with
00:46:46.940 perfectly done, a blonde hair and four kids, you know, the DSA is, you know, kind of a
00:46:52.320 disheveled, gender ambiguous, you know, ethnically ambiguous young person, and they're good
00:47:00.340 looking.
00:47:00.880 And in each case, you know, they've been really able to sort of put aesthetics and good looks
00:47:08.300 to work here.
00:47:10.060 All of the DSA candidates tend to be young and quite good looking, and they're all sort
00:47:13.520 of brown like me.
00:47:14.500 So I think that one of the things they both have in common is they've been very canny in their ability to deploy aesthetics and a very uniform look for each of their sites.
00:47:26.020 Hassan Piker, for example, fits this perfectly.
00:47:28.740 J.D., they both seem to like or distrust the elites.
00:47:34.040 They both seem to distrust corporate America.
00:47:36.980 Is that kind of, you know, that's where I'm getting at with are they both two sides of the same coin?
00:47:42.580 Yeah, absolutely. They're both populist movements. I mean, the progressives on the left, MAGA on the right. There has been a kind of a worldwide free-floating dissatisfaction with the way things are with liberal democracy, with elites over the last 15, 20 years.
00:48:00.560 And we've seen the elites lose their gatekeeper status over media and over communications, which has helped kind of accelerate this dissatisfaction, even as people, for whatever reason, because we're living in probably the most prosperous time in human history, but for whatever reason, have become very, very unhappy with the state of the world, with the state of their lives, and certainly with the state of the politics.
00:48:25.340 MAGA stepped up and had an answer to that and villains to point to.
00:48:30.100 And progressives have stepped up, have their own answer to that, also have villains to
00:48:34.600 point to.
00:48:35.100 And yes, they represent something that is very similar.
00:48:39.060 They represent an answer to this free-floating dissatisfaction with the status quo.
00:48:44.000 I happen to think they also both offer terrible, terrible so-called solutions and that there's
00:48:49.720 an awful lot of bigotry and hate to be had in these populist movements.
00:48:53.180 But they resemble each other more than they're different.
00:48:57.200 All right. Last question is, give me a race or two that you're going to be watching on Tuesday night as results roll in in the midterms.
00:49:05.960 I'll be watching Abdul Al-Sayed in Michigan.
00:49:09.260 Of course, if he wins, it will sort of solidify this DSA sweep and I think will radically change the party, the Democratic Party forever.
00:49:18.920 And, of course, the mayoral election of Anita Rahman in Los Angeles. If she wins, then we will have DSA-aligned, heavily anti-Zionistic, anti-Israel mayors in the two largest cities in America in less than a year.
00:49:34.020 jd i'll be watching two senate races in particular the michigan race because el sayed i think is
00:49:41.200 extremely dangerous i also think he's very smart and he's going to uh indicate to democrats if he
00:49:47.000 wins that uh something like him is the future of their party uh talarico versus paxton in texas
00:49:53.720 i'll also be watching because talarico is a couple of points ahead of most polls and if he can pull
00:49:58.760 out in texas even given his wildly uh progressive past then that also that that means that this
00:50:06.080 reshaped democratic party um can put down roots and and win races almost any place in the country
00:50:12.640 yeah we didn't even really get into texas versus talarico not exactly dsa but um if if the
00:50:20.400 democrats take a seat the republicans have held since 1961 what a night of course uh you could
00:50:28.380 see, as I said, Mike Rogers flip
00:50:30.380 Michigan red. It could be a
00:50:32.420 very wild night. So I appreciate
00:50:33.880 your time, both of you, and
00:50:35.860 enjoy your popcorn
00:50:38.260 on Tuesday. Thank you.
00:50:40.540 Thank you. Full comment
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00:50:58.380 Here's that clip from Canada Did What? Season 2 that we promised for you.
00:51:05.020 Let me take you back to the night of October 30th, 1995.
00:51:09.780 To the hours right after that likely fatal bullet was dodged.
00:51:14.500 We're awaiting the reaction from the Quebec Premier at the time, Jacques Barizeau,
00:51:18.480 who was championing separatism and had just narrowly lost the vote he had held to try and get it.
00:51:25.040 Did I say narrowly?
00:51:26.580 It was a razor-thin loss. 49.42% of voters said yes to Quebec independence, 50.58% said no.
00:51:37.620 The difference was just above half a percent, less than 55,000 votes out of nearly 5 million.
00:51:45.540 Now, there's a generally accepted protocol for what a politician is supposed to do when they lose a vote.
00:51:51.660 You come out, concede defeat, congratulate the victor,
00:51:55.140 kiss your spouse, and thank your supporters.
00:51:57.720 But every once in a while, a politician comes out and says what they really think.
00:52:03.080 They just let it all out in front of news cameras.
00:52:05.740 The bitterness, the disappointment, the recriminations, 1.00
00:52:09.860 a no-filter tirade about how the voters are idiots, and vowing revenge. 1.00
00:52:15.380 That's what happened on the night that Parisot lost the referendum for Quebec independence. 1.00
00:52:19.260 If you don't speak French, that's Parizeau saying that although they lost the referendum,
00:52:30.680 Quebec's French speakers voted 60% for independence.
00:52:34.740 The implication being that if they simply ignored the non-French Quebecers,
00:52:39.720 those who weren't real Quebecers, that is immigrants, Jews, indigenous people,
00:52:43.880 McGill University students, they would have won this referendum in a walk.
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