Full Comment - The COVID lies they told us continue to warp our lives

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00:00:30.000 We'll probably never know the full impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on society,

00:00:40.660 be it health, be it mental well-being,

00:00:43.900 be it the amount of pounds we put on,

00:00:46.260 or the bad habits that we picked up as a result of it.

00:00:49.000 But COVID-19 and the pandemic that saw much of society locked down had a huge impact on us.

00:00:55.600 Hello, my name is Brian Lilly.

00:00:57.160 Welcome to the Full Comment Podcast,

00:00:58.560 a new documentary tries to look at the unseen impacts of the pandemic, of the lockdowns,

00:01:06.240 of the government responses in both Canada and the United States.

00:01:10.640 Were the decisions being made driven by science?

00:01:13.540 Were they driven by politics?

00:01:14.860 Were they driven by polling?

00:01:16.420 These are some of the questions that we've asked and answered in the past.

00:01:19.000 Vanessa Dillon, in her new documentary, COVID Collateral, examines them again, including speaking to some voices that we've heard from in the past, like Dr. Jay Batra.

00:01:29.480 Vanessa, thanks for the time today.

00:01:30.880 Well, you're welcome, Brian.

00:01:33.200 Lovely to be with you.

00:01:36.480 What was the reasoning behind making this documentary and making it now?

00:01:42.360 And I ask in the sense that the pandemic was a really dark time for a lot of people,

00:01:47.820 and many just want to forget about it, don't even want to think about it or talk about it anymore,

00:01:52.820 and don't show me a mask.

00:01:54.720 So, why go back to this topic?

00:01:58.520 Well, I think it's a very good time to go back to this period in our lives,

00:02:05.820 because I think there needs to be some accountability for the policies which devastated and really upended people's lives.

00:02:16.620 What motivated me to make this film was not just the level of human suffering,

00:02:24.200 but also the fact that I learned that some of the policies were not based on science.

00:02:30.960 For example, early in 2020, I noticed that there were some prominent scientists who were speaking up against lockdowns,

00:02:40.720 people like Jay Bhattacharya, that you just mentioned, of Stanford,

00:02:46.020 Dr. Scott Atlas, who was a really well-known public health policy scholar,

00:02:53.700 Martin Kulldorff at Harvard, and Sunetra Gupta at Oxford.

00:02:58.380 These were leaders in their field.

00:03:01.340 They were speaking out against lockdowns, saying,

00:03:03.780 We already have a pandemic plan in place, and we do not have the science to justify lockdowns.

00:03:12.160 And based on their statements, they were demonized by their own universities,

00:03:17.140 by medical institutions such as the NIH.

00:03:21.000 They were being called fringe, and they were really being taken down in brutal ways by the media.

00:03:27.600 And at the same time, I noticed that there was a discussion about the origin of the virus,

00:03:35.560 and that Dr. Fauci, as the chief medical officer in the White House,

00:03:40.580 tried to explain the origin of the virus as a natural evolution of animal to human,

00:03:48.080 from animal to human transmission.

00:03:51.980 You know, something that had jumped out of a wet market in Wuhan.

00:03:55.540 But there were many leading scientists who noticed that there was this insert in the COVID virus genome,

00:04:06.240 this thing called a furrin cleavage, which could only have been created in a lab.

00:04:13.560 So these leading scientists who sounded the alarm and said,

00:04:18.460 Hey, this looks like a lab leak here.

00:04:20.960 These people were smeared.

00:04:22.100 Well, I remember writing on the lab leak theory early on,

00:04:27.180 and not from a critical point of view that just said,

00:04:31.940 Oh, this is horrible.

00:04:32.900 How dare we do this?

00:04:33.780 But it was, I think the first time I heard it was CNN or the New York Times.

00:04:39.220 And they pointed to a paper published earlier that year,

00:04:42.960 probably in January of 2020,

00:04:45.560 from scientists at a Chinese medical university.

00:04:48.940 And everyone was talking about the lab leak theory as a very real possibility.

00:04:54.900 No one said, Oh, yes, for sure.

00:04:56.420 No one said, absolutely not.

00:04:58.440 And then Donald Trump mentioned it.

00:05:01.420 And suddenly this became a conspiracy theory.

00:05:06.820 And that to me was the beginning of, wow, this is incredibly political.

00:05:11.120 Because the president mentioned something that the New York Times and CNN and medical doctors around the world have been discussing in academic papers and journals.

00:05:21.680 Because he mentions it, we suddenly have to discredit it.

00:05:25.560 That was shocking to me.

00:05:27.560 And that was early in 2020.

00:05:29.100 Absolutely.

00:05:31.620 And what we do see in the film is that through the access to emails between Dr. Fauci and his group of scientists,

00:05:46.120 we do see the early warnings from his own scientists saying,

00:05:50.380 you know, this does look like a lab leak.

00:05:54.600 Then what they did do, they did a huddle.

00:05:57.340 And they basically published an article in science.

00:06:02.380 In the magazine science.

00:06:04.580 In the magazine science.

00:06:04.900 Yes, in the magazine science.

00:06:07.900 Saying that this, all the science points to the fact that this was a natural evolution.

00:06:15.280 That this all came out about, that the virus had escaped from a wet market and had jumped to a human being.

00:06:26.860 Now, why would they do this?

00:06:31.540 We do know that Dr. Fauci's department had been financing for a number of years coronavirus research

00:06:44.340 at the Wuhan lab.

00:06:46.740 So, it would not have looked good for the public to actually find out that the coronavirus may have escaped from a Chinese lab 0.94

00:06:58.480 that was being financed by the U.S.

00:07:02.000 We all saw the State Department cables that came out showing that State Department officials had gone to visit the Wuhan lab

00:07:10.540 and said, we're working with these guys.

00:07:14.640 The security is not up to our standards.

00:07:17.760 We need to invest more here.

00:07:20.600 And they weren't calling to invest more for gain of function or anything.

00:07:24.100 They said, we need to invest more here to make sure things are secure.

00:07:27.960 Yes, that's it.

00:07:32.360 What had happened at the Wuhan lab was that the FBI and medical officials knew that the Wuhan Institute was classified as a level 4 biohazard lab.

00:07:48.560 That is the highest level of, let's say, danger in the world.

00:07:55.640 But they were functioning, as China will do, because they are rather careless about human beings and human health. 1.00

00:08:07.340 They were functioning at a level 2, which is like your local dental office.

00:08:12.780 Now, the Americans had become so concerned about this, a scientist called Peter Daszak,

00:08:20.840 who was responsible for, in a sense, for parceling out the funding to the,

00:08:27.120 to the, parceling out the American funding to the different departments at the Wuhan lab.

00:08:34.820 He had become so concerned that as early as 2018, he asked for lab leak insurance from the NIH.

00:08:48.820 Wow.

00:08:49.580 And it was turned down.

00:08:51.220 So people knew many years ago that there was danger, that there was, you know, that the possibility of a lab leak was very possible.

00:09:09.160 Now, because of where this lab is, we will never know exactly what happened, how, and why.

00:09:15.620 Because the government of China will never allow it.

00:09:20.120 You know, I'm talking the very minute details, Vanessa.

00:09:24.100 But once we get beyond that, and the virus is introduced to the human population,

00:09:29.920 there's a lot of, a lot of questions to ask about the reaction.

00:09:34.320 And that includes Fauci's recent testimony.

00:09:38.340 And I want to point out that because America is the biggest player in the world,

00:09:43.760 people listened around the world to what Dr. Fauci was saying.

00:09:48.300 And his public health advice impacted public health advice here.

00:09:53.860 And he was asked in a deposition or a committee hearing, I forget,

00:09:58.420 where did this social distancing keep six feet apart?

00:10:02.580 Where did that come from?

00:10:03.600 Yes.

00:10:04.060 And he said, I don't know, it just kind of appeared.

00:10:08.660 Yes.

00:10:10.560 Yes.

00:10:11.140 Well, that was the, you know, it was, it seemed to be the same kind of somewhat careless attitude

00:10:19.780 about the imposition of lockdowns.

00:10:22.880 Because I don't, you know, one of the most revelatory things that we have in the film,

00:10:29.000 and it's really right at the very end, is Dr. Francis Collins, the former head of the NIH.

00:10:36.900 And he admitted in a, in a, in a, in a confession type of interview, that during the COVID crisis,

00:10:46.300 there was one mentality there.

00:10:49.240 And it was the, and it was the public health mentality, which says that at any cost, lives must be saved.

00:10:57.580 So he, he said, we weren't thinking.

00:11:00.540 They didn't need to, they didn't need to worry about the economy or social impacts.

00:11:06.120 Exactly.

00:11:06.600 Exactly.

00:11:06.940 So what they didn't take into account, and he was very honest about this finally, what, what that public health

00:11:14.260 mentality did not take into account was the fact that damage from lockdowns can take many, many forms.

00:11:24.660 There's the, the, the, the, the, uh, social impacts, uh, drug overdoses, mental health issues.

00:11:32.140 We all know that, we all know about all of the bankruptcies, all of the, we know how this, how the lockdowns affected, uh, lower income people to a disproportionate level.

00:11:47.140 It, it, the, not just the small business owners who, who, who, who went thanks to, who, who, who lost their livelihood, but there was a whole low income group of people who didn't get paid unless they showed up somewhere to, to, to work.

00:12:05.260 I'm talking, uh, pre, pre-vaccination here.

00:12:09.040 This is a group that.

00:12:09.620 Even post-vaccination, we, we were still closing restaurants.

00:12:13.640 Exactly.

00:12:14.000 Putting limits on them that made them economically unfeasible.

00:12:18.440 And, you know, who's working in a restaurant serving you your meal?

00:12:22.360 They're not exactly high net worth individuals normally.

00:12:27.060 They're, they're, they're people who are younger students on the economic margins and not to localize it too much, but I remember the, uh, public health, uh, officer for the city of Toronto arguing that restaurants needed to be closed.

00:12:44.000 And I asked for the evidence.

00:12:45.340 I said, how can you say that this is being spread in restaurants?

00:12:50.800 Do you have evidence?

00:12:52.240 And they pointed to three cases that they thought had been spread via restaurants.

00:12:58.140 And I said, there's almost 8,000 restaurants in the city of Toronto, and you're going to close them all because of three suspected cases.

00:13:08.540 And they said, yes.

00:13:09.680 And that, that's the, the mentality that Dr. Francis Collins was talking about there.

00:13:14.580 To hell with everything else. 0.89

00:13:16.640 We're going to shut you down. 1.00

00:13:18.960 Absolutely.

00:13:20.280 And, and, you know, these, the, and, and we had all of the small business owners being, being driven bankrupt while the big box store stayed open.

00:13:29.140 So apparently you could catch COVID buying a box of nails at your small local hardware store, but not at Best Buy.

00:13:35.740 And we all know that they kept the, the liquor stores open while shutting down churches, shutting down AA meetings, shutting down gyms, everything that kept people healthy.

00:13:46.720 And so the, the, the, the big box stores were open, but children were being kept out of school for long periods of time.

00:13:56.560 And, you know, I know of a, of a group of parents who were trying to find these underground secret in-person classes for their children, who obviously couldn't learn on, on, online.

00:14:10.160 So it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's the catastrophic effects on, on, on, on, on working people.

00:14:19.160 I mean, the, the, the, the laptop class, the, the professional class who could work at home with minimal upheaval.

00:14:27.460 I mean, they were, you know, I'm not trying to minimize the way it ended people's lives,

00:14:35.160 but compared to people who actually had to show up somewhere at a, at a warehouse or, or, or, or stocking shelves, that laptop class got away quite well.

00:14:47.900 I'm, I'm, look, I'm in the laptop class and I could work from anywhere and I did.

00:14:54.760 I didn't have to show up in an office, but I'd been in that frontline worker class before.

00:15:01.400 And having your life twisted up and down, sometimes with minimal notice, just because, uh, I, I would say that there was a huge spike in fear during the pandemic.

00:15:15.880 Um, I, I just, I never thought that that was, was fair.

00:15:21.000 It just spoke to people like Scott Atlas and, and Jay and, and Roman Baber and others who you interviewed in the documentary.

00:15:28.000 Did you learn something new or, or, or were you bringing together things that you already knew, but that you hoped others needed to hear and understand?

00:15:38.360 What really shocked me was the statement from some of them that basically the expert class is not to be trusted.

00:15:48.900 That, that was kind of, you know, that was a shock for me.

00:15:53.100 I am one of those compliant, uh, uh, Canadians who, when they're told, you know, they should be vaccinated, et cetera, et cetera, I lined up like everyone else.

00:16:03.940 And I, obviously I shut down like everyone else.

00:16:06.920 But what I learned during the course of making this film was that scientists are just as political as anyone else.

00:16:18.440 And that, uh, scientists will, um, will sometimes twist information for political reasons.

00:16:29.560 And that, um, and, and, and I, I, I, I, I, I, I also learned that, that in my own industry, um, certain films were not being made.

00:16:42.440 Certain films about big pharma were never going to see the, the, the light of day simply because a lot of the big broadcasters have got, have got, um, are, are, uh, sponsored by, by, by big, big, uh,

00:16:59.540 pharma.

00:17:00.560 Now, you've been a documentary filmmaker for many years, but not necessarily this type of film.

00:17:07.580 Right.

00:17:08.080 This is a bit of a departure for you, isn't it?

00:17:10.680 Well, in terms of, in, in terms of this being a rather hot and controversial topic, yes.

00:17:18.160 I mean, I've made, I've made other films.

00:17:20.340 I've made films about, uh, terrorism, uh, you know, brain science films, uh, that, that, that offered up new, new ideas, but nothing this polarizing, certainly.

00:17:34.000 All right.

00:17:34.860 We need to take a quick break.

00:17:36.520 Uh, when we come back though, I, I want to talk about the fear that drove so much of this and whether that fear is still there, uh, will people hear the message of your documentary?

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00:19:03.240 During the worst parts of the pandemic, well, actually right up until the end, one of the

00:19:08.360 worst things was it was a fact-free environment, and things were driven by fear.

00:19:14.380 Vanessa, I want to read you from something that I wrote in the fall of 2020, and it was

00:19:20.840 about how in Ontario's first wave of COVID through nursing homes, which was incredibly

00:19:30.160 devastating, we had a huge number of deaths, but when you look at it compared to a bad flu

00:19:36.340 year, it turns out there were just 3.7% more deaths than in 2018, which was a bad flu year.

00:19:44.760 And the profile of who would suffer and die from COVID was very similar to those who would

00:19:49.880 suffer and die from influenza. 0.89

00:19:52.940 When I published this based on ministry data and showing over multiple years what was actually

00:19:58.080 happening, the minister was asked about it in a news conference here at Queen's Park and

00:20:04.120 said, well, that's accurate.

00:20:06.280 It's what the numbers show.

00:20:07.320 And then was vilified by the media who didn't dispute the numbers, just figured this should

00:20:13.060 not be said.

00:20:14.100 You should not be saying these things.

00:20:16.700 That was repeated around the world where people would raise, you know, the Barrington Declaration

00:20:23.780 and the people behind that, for example, would raise issues, or the study that you talked

00:20:30.480 about that was conducted at Stanford.

00:20:34.880 Raising facts did not change the fact that people were driven by fear, and then that fear

00:20:42.560 informed polling, which informed decision-making around lockdowns and other issues.

00:20:48.180 Yes, I think we will never know how many people actually died from COVID.

00:20:56.600 First of all, we do know that in the U.S. that many people who, let's say, died of cancer

00:21:05.160 but had COVID were counted as COVID deaths, not cancer deaths.

00:21:12.180 They were counted as COVID deaths because those hospitals got supplementary financing for every

00:21:19.700 COVID death.

00:21:21.860 It took us months at the Toronto Sun to badger the Ontario government to start reporting died

00:21:29.320 with COVID versus died from COVID, because there is a difference.

00:21:34.900 And they did not have that financial incentive here, but they were still reporting all COVID deaths

00:21:40.360 as the same.

00:21:40.880 In fact, I was counted as a COVID hospitalization at one point, not because I went to the hospital

00:21:46.940 with COVID.

00:21:47.900 I didn't know I had COVID.

00:21:49.840 I went to the hospital because I smacked my head and had a traumatic fall and a horrible

00:21:55.040 concussion.

00:21:56.360 And while I'm laying there, they test me for COVID, and it came back positive.

00:22:01.560 But I was counted as a COVID hospitalization.

00:22:04.700 I had no symptoms.

00:22:05.840 Yes, it's not, you know, your case isn't that uncommon.

00:22:11.120 I mean, certainly at the children's hospitals and one of the pediatricians in our film who

00:22:22.100 was at McMaster said that if a child was admitted, let's say, for her tonsils and she just happened

00:22:31.620 to have COVID.

00:22:32.240 She was counted as a COVID hospitalization.

00:22:36.580 Now, that is, to me, is unconscionable.

00:22:39.520 That is, you know, if we can't rely on our institutions for accuracy of information, where do we go?

00:22:48.500 This also played out on a very big scale with the Imperial College of London, who had put

00:23:03.860 out the estimation of fatalities over several months.

00:23:11.060 This was in early 2020, and he had estimated that in the U.S. alone, there were going to

00:23:18.580 be 2 million people that were going to lose their lives if they didn't lock down.

00:23:24.420 Well, what we do know was that the numbers were so wrong, they were exponentially wrong,

00:23:31.040 that the actual number of fatalities were just a fraction.

00:23:34.340 And the numbers person, Neil Ferguson at the Imperial College of London, admitted that his

00:23:43.960 numbers were grossly wrong, but he did state that he didn't expect governments would base

00:23:49.340 their health policies on his estimates.

00:23:53.940 So, my point again, if we cannot rely on these experts for accurate information, where is the

00:24:03.800 average person supposed to turn?

00:24:08.120 I'd say this, and I'd like to hear your view on it.

00:24:11.300 I can almost forgive those early days of mistakes like that, because we didn't know what we didn't

00:24:18.800 know, and we didn't know what we were dealing with.

00:24:22.120 And the horrific scenes out of Italy and out of China scared everyone in North America, scared

00:24:29.520 everyone around the world.

00:24:30.780 And we thought, well, okay, and now we've got this.

00:24:34.460 And then, once we had real data, though, once we had real experience, it still didn't seem

00:24:41.920 to matter.

00:24:43.360 The fear drove the policy.

00:24:47.320 And parents demanded that schools be closed, because doctors went on TV and said schools

00:24:53.400 need to be closed.

00:24:54.280 And it didn't matter if you had five other doctors saying no.

00:24:56.720 Well, you've got nonstop TV channels saying kids are going to die.

00:25:00.660 Kids were not dying from COVID, not in any great numbers.

00:25:04.180 I am sure that we could find a small number somewhere.

00:25:08.000 But normally, just like elderly people that died of COVID, with underlying conditions, or

00:25:12.980 as the doctors call it, darkly, comorbidities.

00:25:16.900 Exactly.

00:25:17.240 I still had people arguing with me at the end of COVID that we were all at risk.

00:25:23.780 And it didn't matter what your risk profile looked like.

00:25:27.080 We were all facing the same risk, which is factually not untrue.

00:25:32.000 It's bizarre.

00:25:33.040 Yes, you're right.

00:25:36.940 The average age of a COVID patient was 83, which is, I think, higher than life expectancy.

00:25:50.240 Yes.

00:25:50.500 About risk stratification, this is where I think the public health, where public health

00:25:58.500 really fell down.

00:25:59.900 And also, the media should also be held responsible for this.

00:26:06.240 The risk stratification was not explained to the public.

00:26:11.140 They didn't explain to the public that 97% of people were going to be fine if they were

00:26:17.600 exposed.

00:26:17.780 Well, some of these did.

00:26:18.620 Yes, if they were exposed to COVID, that young people, especially children, but young

00:26:26.360 people, if they had no, if they didn't have, if they were not immunocompromised, they should

00:26:35.940 be fine.

00:26:37.140 They, you know, they may not even know they had COVID.

00:26:43.440 But the media made it seem as if everyone was at equal risk.

00:26:49.620 And I think this is one of the things that led to one of our policies that I will never

00:26:58.460 be able to get my mind around, and I think is very sad, is that we forced people to die

00:27:05.140 alone.

00:27:05.700 We forced people to, people who were either terminally ill or elderly people who were dying, we forced 0.95

00:27:17.180 their relatives to say goodbye to them through an iPad.

00:27:19.920 Now, that to me is one of the most cruel and inhumane acts that was ever committed during COVID.

00:27:28.660 If you can imagine your mother slipping away or your father slipping away and you can't be

00:27:33.100 with them.

00:27:33.880 You can't comfort them.

00:27:35.600 They're alone in that room.

00:27:37.220 One of my colleagues won a national newspaper award for a well-used, often used photo of

00:27:53.980 a mother at the window of her long-term care home trying to touch their loved one through

00:28:00.460 the glass.

00:28:01.460 Um, that was an absolutely horrific policy.

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.100 Uh, one that was replicated around the world.

00:28:09.100 And if somebody came up with one bad policy, we all seem to just adopt it without stopping

00:28:13.840 to think.

00:28:14.920 Um, and it, it, it was bizarre.

00:28:18.900 We would have arguments over, uh, lockdowns or opening up.

00:28:23.800 Well, you know, if, if we're being honest, you look at the United States, California had

00:28:28.300 some of the strictest lockdowns and at times had some of the worst COVID outcomes.

00:28:31.940 Florida was more open, not as open as people think, but more open.

00:28:36.320 And, and theirs went up and down as well.

00:28:38.940 Sometimes they were doing great.

00:28:40.380 Sometimes they were doing horribly.

00:28:42.160 It, you know, so, and you could show that and say, well, the lockdowns aren't helping.

00:28:47.120 And the argument would be, yes, they are.

00:28:50.160 You can't say that.

00:28:51.020 Um, again, back to people not wanting evidence.

00:28:54.520 Now, I want to ask you about this.

00:28:56.780 You, you spoke to many people who are against it, uh, including, uh, Roman Baber, who,

00:29:01.940 worked in the building I'm sitting in now as, uh, an elected official.

00:29:06.880 He, um, Roman would actually show up with data and information and, and try and make

00:29:13.600 the argument.

00:29:14.060 But many in the, in the anti-lockdown camp would say, and this is where I ended up breaking

00:29:22.140 with them.

00:29:23.060 They would say, well, you can't lock us down.

00:29:25.960 And I would, I remember saying to some leaders and organizers of it, I said, and I wrote a

00:29:31.800 column about this.

00:29:32.540 I said, you've got to come up with a better argument than what you're using right now.

00:29:37.440 That, which you're just saying, you can't lock me down.

00:29:40.280 It's a violation of my rights because the general public, you can see that the general

00:29:46.320 public does not care about your rights and is demanding more lockdowns.

00:29:50.220 I mean, the politicians gave people what they demanded and, and they're, they said, I shouldn't

00:29:56.820 have to explain it.

00:29:57.980 And I said, then I can't help you because you do need to explain it because people are

00:30:02.960 scared and mostly scared due to my colleagues and some doctors who have been proven fundamentally

00:30:09.620 flawed and wrong.

00:30:11.200 Um, what do we do going forward with, with future pandemic plans?

00:30:16.160 I mean, we will have more pandemics.

00:30:17.760 We had them before and we didn't react like this.

00:30:21.160 Um, the, you know, the swine flu pandemic, uh, several years ago was actually detrimental

00:30:26.880 to children.

00:30:27.520 I remember holding my son.

00:30:29.180 Yes.

00:30:29.680 Like a, like, like a dead weight, a flopping doll at the hospital to get him medical attention.

00:30:37.000 Schools weren't closed.

00:30:38.640 Daycares weren't closed.

00:30:40.300 No.

00:30:40.900 You know, Brian, we've had a pandemic plan in place just like the U S and I know the

00:30:46.140 U S has been in pandemic plan, which is similar to ours has been in place since 2006 because

00:30:53.780 medical leaders knew it was, it was just a question of when we, we, we, we, we, we dealt

00:31:00.000 with the pandemic because the last one was in 1918, the Spanish flu, and they knew that

00:31:05.560 we were overdue.

00:31:06.680 But the pandemic plan generally stated that there were to be no school closures and no

00:31:12.980 lockdowns because of the, because of the impact on, on, on, uh, society, but that the most

00:31:21.400 vulnerable people in society needed to be, uh, protected.

00:31:25.860 Um, this pandemic plan was ignored, um, because of pressure from the WHO to, to, to, to, to

00:31:35.180 lockdown.

00:31:36.280 Um, but I think moving forward, I think people are, I think people have lost trust in our

00:31:45.540 institutions.

00:31:46.280 And I, I think, I think moving forward, we need to demand accurate information from our,

00:31:54.420 from our, uh, leaders, from our, from our institutions.

00:31:57.960 We need to demand calm facts.

00:32:02.060 We need to, uh, we need to expect better from our media because the media played a huge role

00:32:10.680 in this, in this, uh, fear mongering.

00:32:13.480 And I think if we really need to drill deep down and go back to basics, I, I think we need

00:32:20.260 to start teaching our children.

00:32:23.700 We start, we need schools that teach children facts and critical thinking, not indoctrination.

00:32:30.940 Otherwise, if we keep going down this path, we're finished as a society.

00:32:36.100 We really need to demand that, that, we need to demand much better information from our,

00:32:47.300 from our, uh, leaders.

00:32:49.400 And we especially need leaders that will, that will serve Canada, not the globalists who serve

00:32:57.680 the, the, the interests of the WEF or the WHO, but leaders that serve their country's interests.

00:33:05.380 Vanessa, it's a fascinating documentary, extremely well produced, the highest quality, uh, let

00:33:12.660 people know where they can find out more or where they can watch it.

00:33:16.380 Thank you.

00:33:17.160 Um, they can, uh, find out more on the website at www.covidcollateral.com.

00:33:25.020 We will be posting when the film is where, and when the film is, uh, available.

00:33:31.100 Okay.

00:33:31.580 Thank you very much for your time and, and for the film.

00:33:34.380 Hopefully we'll talk again soon.

00:33:35.620 Thank you, Brian.

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Full Comment - August 26, 2024

The COVID lies they told us continue to warp our lives

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