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00:01:57.320 responsibly a carbon tax election that was the call from conservative leader pierre polyev and the house

00:02:07.140 of commons of course the vote failed there is not going to be a carbon tax election not yet anyway

00:02:12.440 hello i'm brian lily welcome to the full comment podcast there has been utter chaos over the last

00:02:17.560 little while on parliament hill and the real question that we have to answer is whether the

00:02:22.520 trudeau government can get themselves back on track or is pierre polyev's steam train just going to

00:02:28.600 keep on rolling around the bend as johnny cash would say lauren gunter is a columnist with the toronto

00:02:34.440 sun the edmonton sun if you've been paying attention to politics for the last 30 years you've read

00:02:38.440 him somewhere national post edmonton journal all over the place and he joins me now for this discussion

00:02:43.820 lauren um very strange last week in politics up on parliament hill you and i watching from afar but

00:02:54.100 with great interest as uh polyev dares the prime minister to to call a carbon tax election yeah and

00:03:00.640 and why not i mean i that dare plus the uh idea of holding a non-confidence vote was not really about

00:03:09.520 triggering election i'm guessing the conservatives uh knew that that none of their pleas would lead to

00:03:16.640 an election none of their maneuvers would lead to an election but this enabled them to get the other

00:03:22.540 three parties in the commons the liberals the bloc and the ndp all to seem to side with the carbon tax

00:03:32.180 and so uh you know on any issue in in politics if if the public is split 50 50 and you're the only

00:03:39.360 only party on one side the other three are are splitting the other 50 you have a huge advantage

00:03:46.060 in this case it's about a 70 30 split and the conservatives are now the only party

00:03:51.480 on the 70 side i mean it it is good maneuvering it it wasn't going to lead to an election i had people

00:03:58.380 texting me all last night and some this morning somebody oh what happened in the confidence vote

00:04:04.280 are we in an election no that was never going to happen calm yourselves down but now polyev can go to

00:04:12.100 the electorate whenever the election comes about and say hey look we're the only party who wanted to

00:04:19.840 save you from the carbon tax if you want the carbon tax kept the same or eliminated we're the only

00:04:26.120 option you have everybody else is in favor of increasing that tax year after year after year

00:04:31.060 and i think it's good politics so there were two votes there was the vote on wednesday which was to

00:04:38.080 um spike the hike i mean great branding from polyev i got to say that great branding spike the hike

00:04:46.000 and ax the tax uh the liberals dismissed this as bumper sticker politics well first off we're canadians

00:04:52.440 we don't do bumper sticker politics go visit go visit the states right we all visit the states at some

00:04:57.520 point they love their bumper stickers and they're all over but what these are easy to remember slogans

00:05:02.960 and so they had the vote on wednesday saying to the government 70 percent of canadians are opposed to the tax

00:05:08.780 and that's borne out by elege polk we want to be fully accurate 69 percent opposed the uh the carbon

00:05:14.940 tax and seven out of ten premiers and polyev stood up in the house of commons on wednesday ahead of that

00:05:20.620 vote and just kept reading off all these different people well the liberal opposition in new brunswick

00:05:27.640 is opposed to the carbon tax are you the liberal opposition and the ndp opposition in nova scotia voted

00:05:33.920 unanimously with the conservative government of nova scotia against the carbon tax hike will you uh

00:05:40.400 even the ontario liberal leader he wouldn't say her name bonnie crombie uh she has come out against

00:05:46.640 the carbon tax and trudeau just kept standing up and saying no this this will make life more affordable

00:05:53.120 for you this is an affordability measure do you think that has any resonance with anyone no and you

00:06:01.140 want to know how deep the opposition goes we are currently in the middle of a leadership race to

00:06:06.240 replace rachel notley as the ndp leader in alberta and there are six declared candidates two of whom

00:06:12.640 have already come out and said they're against the carbon tax so if you get to the point where

00:06:17.540 the carbon tax or the hike no they're against the carbon tax so even the alberta ndp's against it now

00:06:24.820 or is part of it part of it is and so you know you've got nobody on the prime minister's side

00:06:30.720 except a few die hard liberals who would defend him uh even if even if incriminating evidence were

00:06:38.920 found about what he'd done on his jamaica trip uh so uh you know it's it's just those blind loyalists

00:06:45.240 it's the sycophants they're the only ones who are left in favor of this and and you know a few

00:06:51.440 activists who don't own cars and bike 14 blocks to their job at the non-profit in downtown vancouver

00:06:59.500 who aren't affected by this because the weather isn't bad there who don't have to pay their home

00:07:05.360 heating bills in in northern ontario or northern alberta in the middle of january when we had that

00:07:11.500 cold snap that went down to minus 35 and minus 40 we had one night here in that minute it was minus 50

00:07:16.920 how did your heat pump work that night yeah exactly exactly is it good i got all sorts of photos from

00:07:23.960 people in nova scotia when that big snowstorm hit uh the maritime provinces and uh all sorts of people

00:07:32.300 sent me these photos of their heat pump encased in frozen snow unable then to bring in air and and

00:07:40.920 pump out heat in the house and so the two or three of them said we're glad that we kept our

00:07:45.680 wood burning stove because at least we were able to stay somewhat warm so it's funny you mentioned that

00:07:51.020 our uh our colleague at the toronto sun warren kinsella writes columns for us um you know former

00:07:57.500 liberal never call him a liberal anymore because he says he's not with this current tribe but kinsella

00:08:04.240 built a cabin uh up in it's not quite northern ontario it's eastern ontario and near minden and he's

00:08:12.020 written about this he put in a heat pump you know you're out in the the wilds you're you're not connected

00:08:18.280 you're not going to get a natural gas line where he's got his cabin and so he puts in a heat pump

00:08:24.100 and he's up there in the winter and it conks out and he calls the guy that installed it he's like well

00:08:30.440 hey this thing's not working what am i going to do and he said of course it's not working it's below

00:08:35.080 minus 25. he said well i'm here i gotta stay warm what am i going to do and he said you see that black

00:08:42.420 box down next to you the wood stove light it yes exactly exactly on on the on the government's own

00:08:50.380 website on natural resources canada's own website until very recently there was a discussion of all

00:08:57.000 sorts of different kinds of home heating you know wood burning stoves and natural gas furnaces and

00:09:03.320 fireplaces and heat pumps and on natural resources canada's own site it said these don't work

00:09:09.800 particularly well below about minus 15 and now that you know we're pumping where the federal

00:09:15.620 government is pushing heat pumps on everyone everywhere in the country that's been removed

00:09:20.720 from the natural resources website i i live in a veritable shangri-la of warmth compared to you

00:09:29.120 you're out in edmonton i'm in downtown toronto where we rarely see snow um and so a heat pump

00:09:36.420 could work here and you see them all over the place uh walking around on homes on you know i live

00:09:43.080 near the u of t campus walking through there you see them on some of the buildings you know it's like

00:09:48.160 electric vehicles they make sense in some instances but not others but justin trudeau you know this has

00:09:53.740 become part of his big thing of saving the carbon tax let's let's get back to the carbon tax lauren

00:09:58.680 yep um is this an albatross around trudeau's net can he salvage this you know i was seeing uh max

00:10:08.120 faucet who's a columnist for one of the socialist websites i think it's the observer and even he was

00:10:13.840 saying the carbon tax is dead let's you know figure out something else for climate change is this thing

00:10:20.700 just done and and it's like the monty python dead parrot sketch they don't want to admit it right i think

00:10:27.060 that's a very good analogy i do think it's a dead a dead parrot and uh and it's because what they

00:10:34.640 fail to understand whether it's the liberal government or the environmental movement is that

00:10:39.180 canadians have said time and again they'll pay up to about 250 dollars extra over a year for

00:10:48.460 environment saving processes equipment whatever you know if if an ev was uh 150 more than

00:10:56.800 an internal combustion engine vehicle and the heat pump was 100 more than a natural gas furnace

00:11:02.580 well there'd be your two things they'd buy a heat pump and uh and an ev and spend the extra 250 but

00:11:09.740 we're talking here about things that especially with evs you're talking about one that's on average

00:11:14.980 somewhere between 10 and 12 000 more than an internal combustion engine and with heat pumps now you're

00:11:22.540 talking about something that in much of the country simply is inadequate like okay so fine out of a 52

00:11:31.220 week year maybe it would work for 45 weeks here in edmonton in northern alberta but what are you going to do

00:11:39.820 for the other seven weeks me those are the worst seven weeks of the year you you go to arizona go to

00:11:45.460 mexico you know exactly and i guess that's what they're thinking is going to happen but it is it is just

00:11:51.280 based on such fantastical thinking it's it it makes sense to them on paper i remember using this analogy

00:11:59.400 one time when i was a kid about eight or ten years old i used to draw up these battle plans you know

00:12:05.380 this army and that army and my army always won because i could control all the variables and i could

00:12:12.200 give myself the extra tanks and the extra soldiers and that's basically how environment canada does

00:12:18.800 its studies on electric vehicles and heat pumps and how they will work they they control all the

00:12:24.140 variables i remember black locks reporter caught them about a year and a half ago putting out a tender

00:12:30.380 for consultants who could prove that evs were cheaper over their lifetimes than an internal combustion

00:12:38.920 engine that's not how you do a study you say look we want to see which one's better which one has lower

00:12:45.240 costs over its entire lifetime ev or ice you don't say we are looking for consultants who can show us that

00:12:53.180 evs are cheaper that that's that's the goal of the report and that's where they're at they they just 0.81

00:12:58.940 they they live in this world where they think all of this will work and i don't trust any of the

00:13:05.200 reports that the government itself puts out or that it pays consultants to put out uh to show us that

00:13:11.220 we are going to an electrified future for home heating and vehicles look on you and i have a bit

00:13:18.660 of a different perspective on this i'm uh fine if the industry is going to go electric and i live in

00:13:24.780 ontario and that's a major industry of course i want the manufacturing here electric or otherwise

00:13:29.640 um but as far as the uses of evs in some instances they make sense uh you know there's a plant just

00:13:39.640 uh maybe two hours west of where i'm sitting in gersall ontario and they use it's the old cami plant

00:13:46.400 they retrofitted it to make the what they call bright drop these are they're kind of like the sprinter vans

00:13:51.860 used by fedex ups all of that to deliver all the packages in urban settings guess what they're

00:13:59.500 evs okay great but that doesn't make sense if you've got to drive something from edmonton to

00:14:05.240 fort mack or saskatoon to prince albert or thunder bay to kenora yeah and it's not a matter of

00:14:11.680 infrastructure when you say these things and environmentalists overhear you saying them

00:14:16.260 they say oh yeah it'll be fine once we get the infrastructure built once we get all the charging

00:14:21.640 stations every five kilometers along the highways that'll be you know how much that's going to cost

00:14:27.160 i mean even if you could do that it would still cost billions of dollars and i don't see a private

00:14:33.440 solution to that so you're talking about taxpayers billions and we've already spent probably 200

00:14:40.040 billion dollars in canada on the liberals green fantasies we look at at at the accumulating national

00:14:48.040 debt people always say well that was because of the pandemic no no it wasn't it's because this

00:14:53.580 government will spend on any green initiative that comes by and they will throw hundreds of millions

00:14:59.440 and billions on upon billions i mean starting to sound like carl sagan they billions and billions of

00:15:05.320 stars well they will spend billions and billions of dollars on on making their green fantasies reality

00:15:12.320 and there's just no way at this moment you can do it i have often said it in print and in video

00:15:18.940 i don't care what powers my vehicle i don't i have no particular love affair with the internal

00:15:25.060 combustion engine for its time it was a technological marvel but if you look at an electric car some of

00:15:32.340 them are the most elegant technological vehicles ever created and they are now among the world's

00:15:37.960 fastest vehicles i don't care if it's electric but it has to go as far as my internal combustion

00:15:44.960 engine does i can go about 900k on a tank of gas it has to be rechargeable in the same amount of time

00:15:51.780 i used to go from here in edmonton to vancouver to visit our son when he was in university and make

00:15:57.120 one stop in 1100 kilometers and that was in a place called blue river bc i could fuel up run in and get

00:16:05.020 a drink and a snack and be back on the road in under 15 minutes so you have to go as far as my

00:16:11.880 internal combustion engine you have to recharge as fast as i can refuel and it has to work in the

00:16:17.560 winter because we get a lot of and so far that's not happening i'm with you if the market thinks we

00:16:23.820 can go to evs if if all the major manufacturers suddenly want to switch from ices to evs and they

00:16:30.380 think they can get the same level of sales they can bring it down to the same price level if they

00:16:34.960 make enough of them you know you you you get you get the the economy of scale he said if if if that

00:16:42.160 happens fine i don't care you could you can fuel my car with bug burps i don't care it just has to be

00:16:49.160 ideas that that'll keep them busy for another 30 years but the but at least it but it has to work the

00:16:56.100 way the machine i have now works so you know when when i go down to the states um places like florida

00:17:06.540 and california you see a lot more evs than you do up here even than you do in toronto and there's a

00:17:11.920 simple reason for that they have the range that you're talking about i i still don't think the

00:17:16.320 charger the charging uh technology is there it's not as fast as it needs to be but there's at least

00:17:23.240 the fact that you've got the range and and that's due to the fact that it isn't freezing cold whether

00:17:30.120 it's heat pumps or evs justin or bicycle lanes justin trudeau wants us to all believe that we're

00:17:36.720 living in amsterdam yeah yeah and we're simply not yeah so i i once wrote that there were five because

00:17:42.400 the city of edmonton is obsessed with bike lanes it takes lanes out of traffic all the time and converts

00:17:48.140 them to bicycles and i said the five biggest causes or the five biggest obstacles to bicycle

00:17:54.840 transportation in edmonton are november december january february and march and because people

00:18:00.980 won't ride bikes and like i got i get up early every morning so i go out and clear off my my sidewalk

00:18:07.120 because there are cyclists who go every day 12 months of the year past my house and i like to have the

00:18:13.140 sidewalk clean so that they have a safe place to ride that's how committed i am to them but i'm not

00:18:19.720 joining them i'm not january 15th when it was minus 32 and someone went riding by my house first thing in

00:18:26.420 the morning i'm not saying hey wait a minute i'll get my bike and i'll come with you i'm getting in my

00:18:32.420 jeep and i'm driving with the heater on but you're like me i look i walk i i take the subway i i have a bike

00:18:41.960 i have a car i'll use all modes of transportation it's whatever makes sense at the time but in the

00:18:48.060 bitter cold and it's late march here in toronto and suddenly we've got bitter cold and snow again

00:18:53.380 i'm not going out there uh let me just bring it back to the carbon tax stuff that we were discussing

00:18:59.380 earlier um justin trudeau is very committed to the carbon tax just like he's committed to all the

00:19:05.800 other things we've been discussing and and he you know he's got a bit of a messianic complex it's why

00:19:12.120 he's not leaving anytime soon in my view uh he's going to save us from climate change he's going to

00:19:17.880 save us from misinformation and disinformation but also on the carbon tax he is either convinced or doing

00:19:26.700 a very good job of pretending he's convinced that we actually get back more than it costs us and

00:19:34.100 you know for months now pierre pauliev has been standing up inciting the parliamentary budget

00:19:39.460 officers report from march 30th 2023 which showed that in the provinces where the federal carbon tax

00:19:47.280 is implemented that when you add up all the costs not just the carbon tax but the the the loss of income

00:19:56.460 the loss of economic opportunity the higher prices that we pay that we don't get a rebate on

00:20:01.840 um and the fact that the gst is charged on top of the carbon tax that we're actually down significantly

00:20:09.640 most middle-class families are down significantly and trudeau keeps standing up and saying no that's

00:20:15.980 not true you get back more and why would you take away these checks this is an affordability

00:20:21.160 issue he's trying to frame this these rebates as this is how you deal with higher prices i'll give

00:20:29.160 you money back ignoring the fact that part of the reason prices are higher not the whole reason but

00:20:34.240 part of it is his tax exactly and you know really good example of that came out yesterday

00:20:41.180 statistics canada released its inflation figures for uh the month of february and inflation in canada

00:20:50.300 was down to 2.8 on an annual basis that's pretty good i mean it should be a little lower than that

00:20:57.260 but that's for the last couple of years that's a pretty decent level in saskatchewan it was 1.7 percent

00:21:04.480 and stats can says the reason that it's 1.1 percent lower in saskatchewan than on the national average

00:21:11.900 is that saskatchewan is no longer permitting its crown utilities to charge the carbon tax on home

00:21:18.640 heating that's how big an impact the carbon tax has saskatchewan takes it off exactly saskatchewan

00:21:26.240 takes it off it it lowers their inflation rate by over a third and uh and trudeau says no no no no

00:21:35.740 no you know the bank of canada which i think he runs around with them in his hip pocket the bank of

00:21:42.120 canada says it's less than half of one percent that it that is caused but it's a fraction what i think

00:21:48.480 the last time tiff macklin talked talked about he said it was 0.15 percent was of inflation was the

00:21:56.160 carbon it's not because as you said by the time you add it in to your groceries because everything

00:22:01.860 that's trucked to your grocery store pays carbon tax by the time you add it in to any other thing that

00:22:08.300 you the building material say you're doing a reno in your house and you brought in some drywall well

00:22:13.080 that drywall had to come somewhere and the trucker who brought that drywall added on a cost to the

00:22:19.920 drywalling company for the carbon tax and it just it filters its way through the entire economy and now

00:22:28.060 we're seeing in saskatchewan just taking it off just taking it off home heating in saskatchewan which is

00:22:33.320 mostly natural gas they're they're over 80 percent of homes in saskatchewan are are heated by natural

00:22:38.900 gas just taking it off home heating reduced their uh car reduced their inflation rate in saskatchewan

00:22:45.920 in february by more than a third amazing uh and by the way uh sylvan charlebois the food professor

00:22:53.880 um it was him and and not any media outlet in this country that when tiff macklin claimed the carbon tax

00:23:01.220 did not impact inflation at all that it was just such a minuscule number sylvan charlebois said

00:23:06.480 i don't think so and he persistently wrote to the bank of canada to say how did you come to this

00:23:13.800 calculation and i forget which items it was on but they only considered i think three items that the

00:23:22.960 carbon tax was on it was a ridiculous calculation you know not something worthy of you know an

00:23:30.040 organization like the bank of canada but that's what they did um we're going to take a quick break

00:23:35.360 lauren when we come back i want to ask you about uh the other chaos that we had last week and that's the

00:23:43.560 the vote on on israel uh on on gaza and have you ever seen anything like that more on that when we come

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00:24:09.340 the carbon tax isn't the only chaos we've been seeing in the house of commons of late um lauren i uh

00:24:15.640 i spent a long time physically on parliament hill covering this stuff and and then you know a bunch

00:24:23.580 of years since going back and forth and especially during the pandemic remotely watching um i struggled

00:24:31.220 to find something as chaotic as what we saw last monday on the vote on the ndp motion regarding israel

00:24:40.220 gaza and hamas uh i i think same-sex marriage would be close back in 2005 and i can describe what

00:24:49.380 that was like if you want but do you remember anything so chaotic with the government standing

00:24:53.960 up at 7 13 to read 14 different amendments into a motion that they're supposed to vote on at 7 15

00:25:00.960 yeah no i don't and even with the same-sex marriage uh votes that was stretched out over a period of

00:25:09.780 uh several days this was you know jammed in at the very last minute and and nobody i think to this

00:25:17.300 day we're now we're now looking at three days after that vote uh i still think there are an awful lot of

00:25:23.760 people who are scratching their heads at just what the amendments mean and what that what what

00:25:29.360 canada's foreign policy should look like as a as a byproduct of this vote it really is that chaotic you

00:25:37.860 you have a government that has both uh a traditional base among jewish voters and is desperately trying

00:25:46.900 to woo muslim voters who outnumber jewish voters by about six to one in canada right now and so they

00:25:53.320 they're they're like a mississippi bullfrog sitting on a hollow stump you know they they don't know

00:25:59.200 which way to jump they they don't they they want to because they're progressives they want to show

00:26:04.820 their support for uh palestinians but because they are desperate for any vote they can have and and

00:26:11.600 and their their traditional base of of uh candidate recruitment and organizational skill and things is

00:26:18.600 is it has an awful lot of jewish members uh they don't want to set them off either but but now you've 0.97

00:26:25.820 seen as you see with the liberal mp uh house father anthony house father yeah anthony house father

00:26:33.060 um they have really alienated i think they've really alienated the jewish community in canada because

00:26:39.300 there is no other way for me to interpret like i've i've seen people reading the tea leaves from

00:26:45.620 this motion for the last three days but for me the one message this sends because you can you can look

00:26:51.640 at the minutiae and you say well it says this but it also says this and the minutiae for me it says

00:26:57.040 it is unimportant because what it basically says is look we're prepared to forgive hamas for what they 0.99

00:27:03.600 did to israelis on october 7th please just desperately vote for us and the liberal party um and you know it

00:27:11.740 was an ndp motion uh i guess the liberals did rewrite it yeah yeah exactly but they you know

00:27:16.860 it the the the palestinian cause has become one of several litmus tests for the progressives in

00:27:25.300 canadian politics you you aren't truly progressive unless you see systemic discrimination everywhere

00:27:32.260 you aren't truly progressive unless you believe every story about unmarked graves at residential

00:27:39.080 old residential school sites you aren't truly progressive unless you buy into electric vehicles

00:27:44.720 and heat pumps and climate disaster without questioning any of it and you aren't truly

00:27:50.460 progressive unless you stand in solidarity with the palestinians and you believe everything they 1.00

00:27:56.420 say about we're oppressed we are occupied by israel uh there is apartheid going on we are the victims

00:28:04.860 of genocide unless you are prepared to to accept all of that unconditionally then you you lose your

00:28:11.860 membership in the alliance of canadian progressives uh and and that's where the liberals are at is that

00:28:18.380 they they have for 30 years bought the propaganda around the arab israeli conflict which is largely

00:28:26.280 leans towards the palestinian and arab side and and so now they were left on on monday with this vote

00:28:33.540 where they had to keep their progressive bona fides uh but also trying to swage uh the the jewish vote

00:28:42.380 in in montreal and toronto well mostly montreal because they they've got one seat in a riding with

00:28:49.380 a significant jewish population here in toronto um i guess they've got a couple they've got marco mendicino

00:28:55.820 and yara sacks and um i'll tell you that i think both of them will be unemployed come the next election

00:29:03.120 i don't see either one of them winning it's absolutely incredible to watch uh we had anthony

00:29:10.700 housefather on the podcast a few weeks ago asking him about you know how are you still in the liberal

00:29:17.000 party yeah i've known anthony a long time uh more than 20 years i he you know all this talk of him being

00:29:23.800 you know willy cross to the conservatives he's not a conservative um no he's very much a liberal

00:29:30.280 but he's disappointed in his own party and that can happen to people and he's not he's not a one

00:29:35.260 he's not a one issue politician you know if you you've seen up close american politics enough to know

00:29:42.480 that out of 435 members of the house of representatives some of those districts are so small

00:29:48.160 and so homogenous that you can have members of the house of representatives congressmen who are kind of

00:29:56.960 one issue but house father wouldn't fit in that in in the united states he doesn't fit in it here

00:30:03.440 he's not a one issue guy i can't imagine him crossing the floor but he he could sit as an independent

00:30:09.120 you know and who knows by the time this is posted maybe something will happen but you know he's been

00:30:13.640 disappointed on english language rights by his own party because the liberals after championing that

00:30:19.820 cause i mean when i lived in uh montreal i i used to thank god for jean creche and actually standing up

00:30:27.600 to all the separatist language crazy nonsense um but trudeau has abandoned that um so has every other

00:30:36.120 party by the way but now they've also abandoned him on israel and so that becomes very difficult for

00:30:42.780 for someone to deal with but in you know the jewish canadian community people that i'm hearing from

00:30:49.320 in the toronto area they feel betrayed yeah by this vote yeah they feel utterly betrayed and alone

00:30:57.660 because the anti-semitism is through the roof you've got that cartoon in la presse you've got a

00:31:04.220 hamilton uh movie theater deciding that they're going to cancel a jewish film festival that they'd agree 1.00

00:31:10.660 two months ago because uh people are threatening them you know you can't allow jews to have movies

00:31:16.440 or we'll come for you that's pretty frightening um you've got uh a toronto city counselor shouted down

00:31:24.200 while they're discussing the fifa world cup they're not even discussing these issues but the

00:31:29.360 protesters showed up to yell at james pastanak because he's jewish you know the mask is all disturbing 0.91

00:31:35.480 one to me was when protesters blocked the entrance to hospitals uh in toronto uh and set off fire

00:31:43.380 bombs and or smoke bombs and uh there was a firebomb of a delhi yes yes but the the protests i'm

00:31:52.040 thinking of at the hospitals at mount sinai hospital in toronto involved smoke bombs and people jumping up

00:31:57.280 on the entrance and and then with megaphones and shouting anti-israeli slogans which are anti-semitic too

00:32:04.320 you you you cannot tell me because the people who utter those sentences mean them to be anti-semitic

00:32:10.780 you can't tell me that the phrase like from the river to the sea is not anti-semitic because it is

00:32:16.700 they're on the the bullhorn shouting we are the intifada at a hospital

00:32:21.840 exactly and and you know you okay so you go and you park your 18 wheeler in downtown ottawa and honk

00:32:31.140 your horn for three weeks they call out the emergencies act on you and they seize your bank account

00:32:35.640 i don't see any of that going on with these anti-israeli anti-semitic very violent rhetoric

00:32:43.940 uh protests in favor of palestine nobody says oh you know the prime minister doesn't say these are a

00:32:51.580 fringe element with unacceptable views he doesn't say that these are un-canadian actions he doesn't say

00:32:58.940 any of that but he did say that about uh about truckers you know i this party just does not the

00:33:06.340 liberal party just does not know where to go on on the israel palestine issue it just doesn't

00:33:13.360 i i've been walking with the uh they call themselves pro-palestinian after walking with them since october

00:33:21.800 9th i call them pro-hamas protesters i've never heard them once call for the release of the

00:33:27.940 hostages i've never once heard them say hamash should stop using palestinians as human shields

00:33:34.060 i've never once heard them say hamash should stop stealing the aid that's delivered to gaza

00:33:39.560 did they condemn the october 7th butchery no no none of that they celebrated it exactly celebrated it

00:33:47.560 they showed up on october 9th in downtown toronto including a sitting uh new democrat mpp who yes

00:33:55.220 who was eventually thrown out of her ndp caucus sarah jama um she uh they showed up to celebrate

00:34:03.840 what happened on october 7th and you if you're going to be chanting there's only one solution

00:34:10.020 intifada revolution two days after what happened and israel hasn't even responded yet well we know

00:34:16.880 what you're saying and we know what you're celebrating and you're claiming to be peaceful

00:34:20.620 no you're you're not peaceful you're you're celebrating revolution and north american and

00:34:25.540 western european progressives can delude themselves into thinking that you know talking about intifada

00:34:32.840 and revolution and independence and you know palestine will be free from the river to the sea

00:34:38.000 you you can delude yourself into thinking that that simply means equal right for palestinians and

00:34:44.380 israelis and a peaceful two-state solution blah blah blah none of the people who say those things

00:34:50.280 at the protests mean that by it what they mean is we need to wipe out like it was there was an imam 0.93

00:34:57.200 in montreal shortly after the october 7th uh atrocities who said we need to wipe out all the jews

00:35:05.460 allah come please and call for god to do it and that was his defense oh i didn't call for that 0.91

00:35:11.760 i called for god to kill them all yeah what no so so please don't tell me when you're voting in the 0.75

00:35:19.380 house of commons for a two-state solution and you're voting for recognition of a palestinian state 0.99

00:35:24.660 don't tell me please that what you're looking for is equal justice for both sides you have taken a side

00:35:31.840 that by its very nature calls for the other side to be eradicated and and i have you know you and i

00:35:41.620 both have talked about this before we have a lot of jewish friends and they are staggered since october

00:35:49.100 7th by the level of anti-semitism that that those attacks have provoked like they they are stunned that

00:35:58.720 most universities in in canada the the a big percentage i shouldn't say the majority because

00:36:05.440 we don't know what the silent majority says but the most vocal minorities at most universities among

00:36:11.500 the faculty are very pro-palestinian and very anti-israel to the extent where i think it's fair

00:36:18.580 to say they're anti-semitic yeah um and you know i i know an awful lot of westerners i don't mean

00:36:26.160 western canadians i mean people in europe and north america an awful lot of liberals and progressives

00:36:31.800 in western countries think it's possible to uh criticize israel but not be anti-semitic and that

00:36:39.240 is true but when you are siding with people whose very nature is to eradicate jews and the state of 0.86

00:36:47.700 israel i'm sorry you you you don't get to draw those fine lines because the people you're supporting

00:36:54.220 are not drawing those fine lines i'll tell you how scared people are um first off just after

00:37:03.640 october 7th uh did a podcast with ben shapiro and at that point ben said uh every jew i know is

00:37:11.960 getting a gun now of course ben lives in the united states of america pretty much everyone has a gun

00:37:17.640 already but then i was at an event and a couple uh two guys came up to me uh two jewish men one

00:37:26.820 whom i knew one who i previously didn't know and both of them wanted to thank me for the uh you know

00:37:34.980 the the views put forward in the sun in national post and post media in general and in just say

00:37:42.200 they appreciated it and then they both started talking about how they both signed up for their

00:37:46.420 gun courses in canada and that every person in their class was also jewish because they were so 0.99

00:37:54.060 afraid they felt they needed to do something and i can guarantee you for every for every one of those

00:38:00.620 people in a gun class there's three or four jews who have gone out and bought guns who are not

00:38:05.800 registering them who aren't taking the the pal course uh just because they feel for it i was

00:38:12.940 sitting in a cafe a couple of weeks ago two young people telling me how they're trying to decide

00:38:18.860 whether to stay in canada is it safer to move to south florida or to move to israel and then a few

00:38:24.940 days after that i i'm with uh deputy conservative leader melissa lansman in her riding talking to the

00:38:31.720 rabbis of the synagogues that were targeted and they're saying that this is a big discussion in

00:38:38.280 their own community is it even safe to be a jew in canada anymore this motion these cartoons these

00:38:45.220 actions do nothing to help that well and look yesterday the the toronto city police toronto police

00:38:52.320 service uh released its uh numbers for hate crimes that have been committed since october 7th and almost

00:39:01.420 60 percent of them were against jews i mean if you listen to the prime minister or to melanie jolie or

00:39:08.680 any of the liberal cabinet ministers you'd think that what we're really facing here is uh anti-islamic

00:39:17.400 uh rhetoric and hate it's not it's not i mean i i'm sure there's been some of that and then and none of

00:39:24.660 it is and it's despicable it's of course it is but the vast majority of hate initiated incidents

00:39:31.880 in toronto i'm assuming pretty much across the country since october the 7th has been directed at

00:39:38.080 the jewish community and no wonder they're feeling what they're asking the question are they safe in

00:39:44.340 canada anymore let me ask you about this motion because it's we're getting mixed messages over what

00:39:50.860 the motion actually means we kind of discussed that um the fact that they took out the part of

00:39:57.740 recognizing officially recognizing the state of palestine um okay good still don't like the motion

00:40:04.300 but there was the the part that said cease all future uh transfers of military goods um you know i i

00:40:14.000 looked at the numbers we've given like 40 000 rounds of artillery shells um 150 millimeter artillery

00:40:21.600 shells to ukraine we just gave it to them we gave them four howitzers we've given them eight leopard

00:40:26.460 two tanks we've given them 10 000 rounds of 105 uh tank uh artillery ammunition uh 10 million dollars

00:40:35.760 of small arms you know so pistols uh infantry rifles sniper rifles and this is all good we've given

00:40:43.060 israel nothing on the military side they were buying some limited amount but some from canadian

00:40:49.900 firms and we've now essentially said you're getting nothing i mean effectively the way they're talking

00:40:56.840 the israeli government could not buy boots if there was a canadian manufacturer for army boots or

00:41:02.580 ration packs and you know canadian ration packs used to feed a lot of the western armies of the world

00:41:08.100 uh and now we're saying no if there's a military use you can't have it it is it we've got two

00:41:14.420 democratic allies um in at war both have been invaded one is being treated in a vastly different

00:41:21.960 manner than the other and to me it's all due to demographics and votes 1.3 million ukrainian

00:41:28.340 canadians 1.8 million muslim canadians 335 000 canadian jews okay i think i think that's absolutely

00:41:35.500 i think every calculation that the liberal government makes whether they are conscious

00:41:40.460 about this or not is predicated on whether or not it will get them re-elected they are nothing but an

00:41:46.960 election machine they can't or i used to have a guy i worked with on parliament hill who said

00:41:52.940 these people couldn't organize flatulence at a bean dinner um i mean as as a government they can't do

00:41:59.820 anything you have the the parliamentary budget officer who said the other day that the front

00:42:05.260 the average frontline federal worker has seven bosses no wonder they can't get anything done it's

00:42:12.460 it's paralysis through management they have so many levels of management managers they can't do anything

00:42:17.880 so they are incompetent so the only thing that makes any sense to them when they're looking at a

00:42:23.340 policy is whether or not it will get them re-elected um because ultimately they don't really care what

00:42:29.140 they do with power they just have to have the power and and i i think that's why we're sending

00:42:35.280 i was chuckling when you were talking about the the shopping list we were sending to ukraine because

00:42:41.060 even it's pathetic we don't have anything to send them uh you know we we had three days of munitions

00:42:48.600 in this country if we were invaded three days and the nato rule is 30 days um and so we don't have

00:42:55.260 anywhere close to the nato rule that we're supposed to have but you know we have to rummage

00:42:59.640 i don't know what the state the leopard tanks are that we sent to them but at one point we said well

00:43:05.540 we have 90 some tanks but there's really only four of them that are in working order well like hello

00:43:11.740 you know this is this is pathetic i mean we announced the other day that that we no longer have

00:43:16.660 trainer jets so that we're going to have to send all of our young fighter pilots to italy or finland 0.79

00:43:20.940 or texas to learn how to fly jets i mean so what we're sending to ukraine i don't know it it they

00:43:28.120 probably got it out of the the war museum in ottawa and sent it over there because they had to send

00:43:33.780 them something but but they even that is much better than what they're prepared to give to israel

00:43:39.540 and i mean i think israel's not even asking for anything though israel wants to buy in fact there

00:43:44.660 was a piece in the jerusalem post after uh they announced that we're not going to sell anything

00:43:49.700 to israel if the military can use it there was a piece in the jerusalem post about how well while

00:43:55.060 canada bans the israeli military from uh buying from canada here's all the things the canadian

00:44:01.520 military has been buying from israel over the last several years and it was pretty extensive list well

00:44:06.640 and look at all of the the uh inter-force cooperation we've had since the liberals came to

00:44:14.380 power with the chinese with the with the the the uh people's army the people's liberation army of

00:44:21.660 china you know they would turn on us in an instant the israelis would be there to the very last 1.00

00:44:28.500 to help defend us i think there are three canaries in democracy's coal mine israel is one of them if

00:44:36.460 it doesn't survive i'm not sure that democracy survives everywhere ukraine is another one and i

00:44:43.260 think we're losing our interest in helping ukraine which is dangerous because it just sends signals to

00:44:49.260 people like putin that they can invade democracies at will and we're not going to do much about it and

00:44:56.580 the third one that hasn't turned hot yet but could at some point is taiwan and if we're not prepared to

00:45:02.620 to help israel ukraine and taiwan then we're showing we don't have a lot of commitment to

00:45:08.300 democracy and maybe progressives and and canadians at large don't see it that way but i guarantee you

00:45:16.020 the rest of the world does if we are not prepared to help people who have the same political values

00:45:22.200 that we do then the the people in the world who would do us ill uh take that as a signal they know

00:45:30.640 what they know what they'd face if they attacked us and are now a close ally okay then i'll leave you

00:45:36.600 with this uh put what you just said through the lens of the ndp motion that the liberals backed at the

00:45:44.340 last minute in a night of chaos and what message are we sending i think that's exactly the message

00:45:50.380 we're sending is that we're like what is it that the ndp wanted to glorify in palestine was it the

00:45:57.100 human rights record was it the fact that there hasn't been an election in any palestinian territory

00:46:02.300 in over 20 years so that they're not committed to democracy there is no particular court system

00:46:08.480 there's no rule of law there aren't equality for women or lgbtq members like what is it about

00:46:15.260 palestine that that the ndp think and the liberals too a lot of liberals think is worth celebrating like

00:46:23.140 they don't share any of our political values and yet somehow they've become this mascot for

00:46:31.580 tolerance and progressivism and and so if you're not in favor of palestinian rights then you're not

00:46:39.060 progressive that to me is utter rubbish if you're not in favor of israel defending itself and its

00:46:47.420 democracy and and its supreme court and you know the supreme court has been at war with the the the 0.92

00:46:52.980 majority in the knesset now for about three years over whether or not the supreme court has the right

00:46:58.220 to read in rights to legislation that's what a democracy does a democracy does not send people over

00:47:05.900 the wall on october the 7th and slaughter babies and teenagers and defenseless women and seniors and

00:47:12.700 and then go back to gaza and celebrate that what it is that you want to support for from the ndp i

00:47:22.160 simply cannot fathom and why the liberals decided to sign up to it especially the cabinet i don't know

00:47:28.600 lauren we'll we'll leave it there great chat as always thank you very much you can read lauren in the

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Trudeau’s big party tent is coming apart at the seams

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