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00:00:18.420 At 13, Preecia's mental health issues like anorexia, OCD, depression, anxiety, borderline personality disorder all became apparent.

00:00:26.780 At 15, she discovered transgenderism online. At 17, a doctor prescribed her testosterone.

00:00:33.460 At 18, less than a year and a half after starting testosterone, Preecia had an elective double mastectomy.

00:00:39.460 At 24, six years after having her breasts removed, Preecia detransitioned.

00:00:44.080 At 26, she unexpectedly became pregnant with a beautiful baby boy.

00:00:48.040 And now at 27, she has become one of the leading voices against what she calls gender-affirming harm.

00:00:54.200 And she is suing the surgeons and the practitioners and the therapists who did this to her.

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00:03:25.520 Today we're talking with Prisha Mosley.

00:03:27.280 She is a detransitioner, if you couldn't gather that from the intro.

00:03:30.960 She's an ambassador for Independent Women's Forum.

00:03:34.140 As alluded to, as a teen, doctors and counselors set Mosley on a path of medicalized gender transition,

00:03:42.580 telling her that changing her body through large amounts of synthetic, unnatural chemicals,

00:03:49.480 such as testosterone, and undergoing surgery to remove her healthy breasts 1.00

00:03:54.660 would cure her mental health problems.

00:03:57.620 Now she has begun her detransition.

00:03:59.860 She's sharing her story loud and proud to anyone that is willing to listen.

00:04:05.860 And she really has become one of the nation's leading voices.

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00:04:11.260 Well, Prisha, thank you for joining the Riley Gaines Show.

00:04:17.020 You are someone who has, more than anything, just become like a dear friend of mine over these past few years.

00:04:24.440 Both, I think, unbeknownst to us, really not ever anything, I'll speak for myself,

00:04:31.040 that I wanted to be a part of necessarily in these advocacy circles.

00:04:36.640 But through that, you meet really fantastic people, and you are one of those people to me.

00:04:42.860 Would you mind just sharing a little bit about your journey?

00:04:46.420 And I know that's very, very broad.

00:04:47.760 But, I mean, the 30,000-foot overview, like, can you give us a little bit of insight for those who don't already know,

00:04:54.040 a little bit of your background about what you experienced to ultimately lead you to seeking gender-affirming care,

00:05:01.040 so they call it, into now detransitioning, and even more than that, becoming a beautiful, wonderful mother?

00:05:08.760 Thank you so much for having me, Riley.

00:05:11.840 It's really great to talk to you, and I'm grateful to be your friend, too.

00:05:15.340 The updates you give me about the baby and sharing mine with you really touched my heart.

00:05:21.740 Being mom friends, I think, is a special type of friendship, so thank you for sharing that with me.

00:05:26.500 Anyway, as far as myself and my story, I had a difficult, turbulent childhood.

00:05:32.840 There was trouble in my household.

00:05:34.660 I experienced sexual assault.

00:05:38.860 This happened to me when I was 14, actually, and the sexual assault resulted in a pregnancy that I wasn't able to carry through.

00:05:48.220 I was only 14.

00:05:50.140 I was having trouble eating from an eating disorder.

00:05:52.800 I was incredibly depressed, all of this.

00:05:55.000 So when I was around 15 or 16, I was online on the not-so-popular-anymore-tumblr.com.

00:06:02.360 But trans-identifying activists found me and my friend group online where we were talking about having anorexia and basically encouraging each other to not eat and how this would help us feel better.

00:06:16.900 And these adult activists convinced us that our actual problem was that we were born in the wrong bodies.

00:06:22.780 So about half of us, including myself, took this idea to our doctors.

00:06:28.240 I had been seeing a therapist for a number of years.

00:06:31.120 We had talked about the miscarriage and the sexual assault, and she knew there was trouble afoot in my life.

00:06:38.280 But when I came to her and to my nutritionist, actually, and said that I felt like a boy, I wanted to be a boy, and I hated my period, I was instantly affirmed.

00:06:49.440 There was no pushback.

00:06:50.520 No one told me that I was really a female, just a traumatized one, and that I could grow up into a beautiful woman.

00:06:56.700 I was immediately affirmed.

00:06:58.440 In fact, the pediatric endocrinologist who ended up injecting me with testosterone started meeting with me in secret in the nutritionist's office.

00:07:07.940 So my parents thought they were taking me to be treated for the anorexia, and I was seeing the pediatric endocrinologist.

00:07:14.100 So all of that led me to transitioning when I was a teenager.

00:07:18.500 I started the testosterone at 17, and very shortly thereafter had both of my breasts amputated when I was 18.

00:07:27.360 But, yeah, I lived as a trans-identifying man, believing that I could transform into a man, into a person that had never been hurt the way I was hurt,

00:07:40.160 and who was never going to be hurt that way again, only to come to realize years down the road that it was all a scam.

00:07:49.220 It was a fantasy, and I was medically defrauded.

00:07:52.540 I couldn't change sex. 0.91

00:07:53.980 I didn't change sex.

00:07:55.000 And before I knew it, I met my—he's—well, we aren't legally married because I changed my name, my sex, everything, all of that when I was a teenager.

00:08:07.200 Still working on that.

00:08:08.300 But I call him my husband, and I met his daughter.

00:08:13.100 She was just about two at the time.

00:08:15.320 And despite the fact that I was still dressing as a man and I had facial hair and all of that, she started calling me mommy.

00:08:22.720 And that's what ultimately led me to detransition.

00:08:26.600 And since then, I've been traveling the country, going on the news, testifying against what happened to me so it doesn't happen to others.

00:08:34.860 I've testified in most of the states where there are bans against this type of harm for minors.

00:08:40.020 Yeah, and you've done it heroically.

00:08:44.040 And your husband's daughter, your daughter, is just the most perfect, beautiful little girl as well.

00:08:51.360 And it's really powerful to hear you say, as a woman, like hearing the word mommy, it almost brings out a maternal instinct that you didn't know you had or that you didn't know you were capable of.

00:09:05.300 And so that's really, really beautiful.

00:09:07.180 You mentioned a couple things that I have found to be, as someone who is chronically online and chronically involved in this space, I have found it to be a commonality.

00:09:16.340 But I want to get your thoughts.

00:09:17.340 Number one, you mentioned sexual abuse, which is just horrific in its nature.

00:09:23.300 But understanding the link to sexual abuse to those who begin to identify as trans, you mentioned being online and kind of those online spheres, especially on outlets like Tumblr or Reddit, where it's very easy to find a group of people who label themselves as supportive, but really only affirm the lies that you were born wrong, which is a very horrible message.

00:09:46.240 And you mentioned things like anorexia or other personality disorders or other things.

00:09:54.160 Do you believe any of those things were overlooked in the medical advice that you received that ultimately led doctors to, I guess, providing this gender affirming care?

00:10:06.040 Yeah, I mean, all of those things were overlooked.

00:10:08.080 And again, I had been seeing the therapist who ultimately signed off on my double mastectomy and wrote the letter of recommendation for that, that, you know, I had had the miscarriage and the sexual assault.

00:10:19.840 She knew this.

00:10:20.820 She knew that I wasn't comfortable in my body.

00:10:24.460 I didn't like what I believed came with womanhood. 1.00

00:10:27.480 I didn't feel safe enough to be a girl or certainly to grow up into a woman.

00:10:31.840 And none of this was explored or addressed.

00:10:34.640 Instead, I was told pseudoscience that the problem was really that I had some form of an intersex condition and I had a male brain and a female body and that this medical condition that I was being diagnosed with was the cause of my suicidality, all of my problems, all of my struggles, you know, because my brain and my body didn't match.

00:10:57.180 And then the only solution they offered me was to change my body.

00:11:00.900 And looking back, I mean, that's not ethical.

00:11:03.320 It doesn't make sense.

00:11:04.780 No one else who says that they're suicidal or hates themselves or wants to hurt their body or take away body parts gets this treatment until or unless they say they're trans.

00:11:16.120 I wish everyone could hear that.

00:11:18.040 What was kind of the immediate when you began taking testosterone specifically?

00:11:23.400 Because I've heard from people, whether it's those who are transitioning or even older women who began to take testosterone as a form of hormone replacement therapy, they say kind of the immediate of taking testosterone is a really good feeling.

00:11:39.340 Is that something you experienced?

00:11:41.300 Yeah, for sure.

00:11:41.960 I mean, even if you've been on or known someone on prednisone, you know, people don't want to get off of that.

00:11:47.820 And testosterone is like a hundred times more powerful.

00:11:50.820 It did make me feel stronger.

00:11:52.580 It did make me believe that I was never going to be hurt that way again.

00:11:57.140 But that's just not true because my sex didn't change and I wasn't taught how to be less vulnerable and take care of myself and to hang around men who wouldn't hurt me and find a better company.

00:12:08.140 In fact, I was thrust into a community full of sexual abusers and predators and pedophiles and people who broke boundaries and did horrible things.

00:12:18.820 I wasn't protected in any way.

00:12:21.600 So you mentioned you began this detransition process.

00:12:24.840 Were those same health care providers who were there for you during your transition, were they there for you during your detransition as well?

00:12:32.660 No, I even reached out to the lady who wrote the letter of recommendation for me to start testosterone and the clinic said that I had never even been there.

00:12:43.540 I was never even a patient there.

00:12:44.920 And then my parents reached out and they told them the same thing, which is an awfully cruel thing to do to someone who's struggled with delusions in the past to mess with their understanding of reality and whether or not they've been to a place or seen a person.

00:12:59.080 I mean, that's just another layer of harm on top of it.

00:13:02.560 But I've been completely abandoned by the majority of the medical community, not just the doctors who harmed me.

00:13:09.520 Why do you think that is?

00:13:10.680 Because outside looking in, again, as someone who hasn't dealt with the extreme nature of transitioning or detransitioning, I see this as a very profitable business, transitioning minors or adults for that matter. 0.74

00:13:28.960 Do you think that they were quick to kind of neglect you and, again, I mean, essentially act like you never even existed in their eyes because you were no longer giving them what they really wanted, which ultimately, at the end of the day, whether it was you or your insurance company, money anymore?

00:13:44.460 I think it's not just a loss of income, which is certainly an element, but it's also evidence of harm.

00:13:50.600 They know that they're doing wrong.

00:13:52.260 They know that they're hurting people and detransitioners are evidence of that. 1.00

00:13:56.980 We're going to the doctors with an onslaught of health conditions and no longer trying to hide them or gaslighting ourselves into thinking it's just the opposite sex puberty and we're really changing sex because that's what I thought for years while my body was falling apart.

00:14:10.540 But I'll tell you a little secret.

00:14:11.880 Right. So I can't do this because I'm in a lawsuit, have to do everything by the book ethically.

00:14:17.720 But some girls say that if you go to the doctor and you tell them that, you know, you were transitioned as a minor, doctors gave you testosterone, all of that, they won't help you. 1.00

00:14:26.240 It's the usual story.

00:14:27.460 But if you go to that same doctor and you tell them that you used to be a female bodybuilder and you decided to abuse steroids yourself, they'll start having some answers.

00:14:37.820 So they're covering for each other.

00:14:40.340 That's crazy.

00:14:43.000 And you mentioned this lawsuit.

00:14:44.980 Will you tell us about that?

00:14:46.300 I want to get to you as a mom now, too, because I think that's honestly, it's like the light at the end of the tunnel in the story as you were able to have this beautiful baby boy.

00:14:56.220 And I want to hear about that experience.

00:14:57.480 But tell us about this lawsuit, who you're suing, what you're suing for.

00:15:01.340 Yeah, so I'm suing a therapist, a woman, the one who wrote the letter of recommendation for testosterone, found out she's not a therapist or doctor or licensed as anything through suing her. 0.85

00:15:12.300 So I'm suing her, too.

00:15:13.080 And the entity she was associated with, I'm suing Moses Cohn in relation to UNC for transitioning me as well as a surgeon and an actual therapist all for the testosterone and the surgery.

00:15:32.240 And I'm suing them in the state of North Carolina.

00:15:35.040 And believe it or not, this happened to me about 10 or 11 years ago.

00:15:38.600 So this has been going on for quite a while.

00:15:40.440 Yeah, and it totally debunks the narrative that we hear all the time surrounding the gender ideology movement, whether it's the medicalization side of things, whether it's the men and women sports things, whether it's the indoctrination side of things at educational programs where they say this isn't really happening.

00:15:58.800 Well, you 10 years ago, 11 years ago, was proof that this is, in fact, happening and it is, in fact, severe and lasting.

00:16:09.720 So, yeah, that's pretty horrific.

00:16:12.600 We've seen some news now where actually two medical associations have come out on the other side of this issue.

00:16:20.580 All the while, again, real harm has been done.

00:16:23.720 So that's not saying that these people or these associations or groups are totally free of any responsibility.

00:16:30.500 But they've now come out and said, you know, maybe it's not a good idea to transition minors.

00:16:37.640 What do you make of that?

00:16:38.900 And what do you do you see this, I think, as an admission on their behalf?

00:16:44.480 Yeah, they knew.

00:16:45.680 They knew all along.

00:16:46.620 They didn't suddenly discover it because Fox won two million dollars.

00:16:51.060 Fox scared them by winning her lawsuit. 0.97

00:16:53.720 By showing that the entire jury, even in a blue state like New York, knew that she didn't lose,

00:17:00.200 you deserve to lose her healthy breasts, you know, at 16 before having any function for them, any purpose for them. 1.00

00:17:07.760 You know, you and I are both, you know, mothers now. 0.97

00:17:10.600 And I thought that my breasts were just something that made men hurt me at the age that I had them removed when I was 18.

00:17:18.440 And the American Society of Plastic Surgeons recommends until waiting until at least 19.

00:17:24.920 So that would have saved me.

00:17:26.580 And now you're a mom and you realize those breasts that you viewed in that light, they have real purpose, not just for you, but for your baby at this point.

00:17:37.200 Yeah, I feel like my baby was robbed and that it's just so disturbing.

00:17:45.400 I mean, what happened when he was born and my inability to breastfeed and the complications, I would honestly use the word evil to describe it.

00:17:58.340 And I'm careful with that word.

00:18:00.880 But my son was wronged and robbed, too.

00:18:04.360 And I'm fighting for justice, not just for myself, but for him, too.

00:18:08.440 Well, he'll grow up and realize just how much his mom fought and how his mom fought for him.

00:18:15.260 Can you speak to that if you feel comfortable in what it's like?

00:18:19.940 Because how I view this, Prisha, is you have kind of been this medical experiment three times in your life, right?

00:18:26.880 First and foremost, transitioning, secondly, detransitioning, and then having a baby throughout this process.

00:18:36.300 So can you speak to and shed light for those of us who don't know how this would typically work?

00:18:43.560 What is it like when you have a baby breastfeeding, but you've had your breasts removed? 1.00

00:18:49.420 Like, when they remove your breasts, are they taking all the necessary steps to remove mammary glands? 0.95

00:18:57.720 Like, did you feel pain, I guess, is what I'm asking, physical pain when your child is here, but your breasts have been removed?

00:19:06.780 Yeah, it was actually the worst pain, the worst thing I have ever experienced in my life by far.

00:19:14.700 I mean, everything else I've done or faced or seen just pales in comparison.

00:19:20.860 And it's hard to talk about, but I'm honestly still afraid of the sound of a newborn's cry because I can't fix it with my body while my body was screaming to fix it.

00:19:34.860 But a long time ago, when they weren't doing these surgeries so often, so quickly or on minors, they used to do, quote unquote, top surgery with an oncologist also present so that they could be sure that all of the breast tissue, mammary glands, milk ducts, and everything were removed.

00:19:56.720 But now these surgeries are being done by plastic surgeons who just think highly enough of themselves to rearrange a girl's chest and try to make her look like a boy. 0.83

00:20:09.840 So my surgeon left pieces of breast tissue inside of my chest.

00:20:14.880 So when my baby was born, my milk came in, but he grafted my nipples, meaning he took them off, and he cut them up, and he reshaped them, and he froze them while he operated on me, and then reattached them back to my chest in the wrong spot in a male position, you know?

00:20:34.860 So they look like a male, but they have no function.

00:20:39.680 They're just decorative.

00:20:41.500 And so I had these, like, rocks, like—I looked down, and it looked like I had, like, scrambled eggs in my chest, but it was, like, these hard rocks, you know, how it gets hard.

00:20:54.680 And it was milk that I couldn't let out, and my baby would scream and cry, and I would just be horrified.

00:21:01.060 And the worst part was that my letter—my consent, my informed consent for surgery said that I may have trouble breastfeeding.

00:21:12.060 So I even tried, and there was nothing—there was nothing I could do.

00:21:20.060 And my midwife had no idea how to help me. 1.00

00:21:23.500 I ended up just, like, doing old wives' medicine.

00:21:28.060 I scored cabbages and put them on my chest, which I tightly bound, and pretty much overdosed on, like, Sudafed to dry it up.

00:21:40.880 Oh, Prisha, any mom who's ever had the ability to produce milk for her baby, I mean, it's an understatement to say we understand what you're going through,

00:21:52.600 but just the pain, that alone, when you can excrete your milk, the pain that that causes.

00:21:58.340 So even the thought process of not being able to excrete in that way, all while looking down at your chest and seeing something that you don't even recognize,

00:22:07.120 that feels so, like, Frankenstein-esque, I would imagine, is just so horrific, and you were so wronged.

00:22:15.000 And I know it's not on me to apologize to those doctors or surgeons who did this, but I am so sorry.

00:22:21.940 Goodness, like, it gives me chills and tears to my eyes to think about the horrific things you've been through and even continue to go through.

00:22:32.600 You mentioned suing in the state of North Carolina where this happened.

00:22:35.780 What have we seen about statute of limitations?

00:22:40.220 Is there a timeline on these things?

00:22:41.840 Because I know President Trump, it was a priority of his to increase the statute of limitations for detransitioners to be able to sue their providers or practitioners or surgeons. 0.91

00:22:53.860 Yes, I would say we really need to see a federal bill on this because some states, some laws have been changed at the state level,

00:23:02.620 including in North Carolina, where I'm trying to hold my doctors accountable.

00:23:07.780 And a judge originally found my case to have merit for fraud.

00:23:13.080 And then when the law changed and said that there was a longer statute of limitations,

00:23:17.440 changed from three years to ten years for detransitioners to hold their doctors accountable, my entire case was thrown out.

00:23:24.620 So I'm now appealing to the higher courts of North Carolina who will hopefully see that the law was changed.

00:23:32.020 This is what the legislature decided and make the decision that they see as just.

00:23:39.360 Do you feel hopeful after especially the recent news?

00:23:42.500 You mentioned Fox winning a two million dollar lawsuit.

00:23:45.340 I believe this is the first detransitioner to successfully win a suit against her health care providers. 1.00

00:23:52.860 Like, does that make you feel hopeful?

00:23:54.960 Yes, absolutely.

00:23:55.800 I mean, again, just for the jury, especially in a blue state, to see this the right way is incredibly encouraging.

00:24:02.460 And on top of that, another one of one of my friends, Soren Aldaco, she's also suing her doctors.

00:24:09.040 She has the same lawyers as me, and I think she's also sued in 2023. 0.57

00:24:12.520 But her case was just picked up by the Texas Supreme Court specifically regarding the, like, two-year statute of limitations down there.

00:24:22.420 How many cases are there right now?

00:24:24.040 Do you have a finite number of how many detransitioners are suing their medical providers?

00:24:28.980 It's around 30, like very close to 30.

00:24:31.480 Wow. And I would imagine that's a very, I mean, I know, actually, it's a very small number of people who have been ultimately harmed and irreversibly harmed by people who sold them the lie that they were born wrong.

00:24:46.500 We see a lot of media coverage, especially in the past few weeks, surrounding detransitioners.

00:24:53.180 Are there some misconceptions about detransition or about you guys as a, you know, specific demographic that you wish people understood a little bit better?

00:25:05.500 Yeah, I wish, firstly, that people wouldn't assume that we suddenly hate our peers, our former community who continue to identify as trans.

00:25:14.200 The truth is, most of us realized that we were scammed, we couldn't change sex, and what we tried to do came at the cost of our health and our body parts, and we just don't want that for our peers who still believe the same lies we believed.

00:25:29.220 I don't hate anyone who identifies as trans, especially for that fact.

00:25:33.820 I pity them, and if I am upset with anyone, it's the doctors.

00:25:39.380 I don't think anyone deserves to be harmed that way.

00:25:41.600 I also think that people expect detransitioners to do things to appear a certain way right away, as if the goal of detransition is to appear as your own sex again, when the truth is detransition is about accepting your body where it is, your sex, the way you were born, and then just trying to recover your health.

00:26:04.740 Because when I was transitioning, my health was cast aside, it was thrown out of the window.

00:26:10.440 It didn't matter that healthy pieces of me were being cut away and rearranged, or that my endocrine system was being destroyed, or that I was getting insulin resistance, or that my liver was growing.

00:26:21.180 None of it mattered.

00:26:22.640 But it matters to me now, and I think that's the point of detransition.

00:26:26.520 Yeah, I'd certainly say so.

00:26:30.420 Your health, first and foremost, especially after, for many years, it was totally disregarded, second to appearance, or that euphoric, I guess, feeling, even if it meant your health was of not concern.

00:26:44.880 In terms of accountability, kind of last question for you, I see it called for online, and it's something that I hope to see.

00:26:55.240 Do you wish to see these medical providers who allow for practices like what happened to you to happen to others for their license to ultimately be revoked?

00:27:06.700 Yeah, I honestly think that what they did was criminal, at least the people at the top, the people like the Endocrine Society, WPATH, the American Society of Pediatrics, people like them, all three of whom are being sued by the state of Florida right now, by the way.

00:27:25.740 I think that doctors who purposely misled or withheld information from patients who couldn't know better because they were minors or incredibly mentally ill deserve to be held accountable to the fullest extent, whatever that may be.

00:27:41.940 It is so true. 0.88

00:27:42.600 Like you think of the Hippocratic Oath, which in being a health law minor myself in college, I had to take many health ethics courses.

00:27:53.320 And I remember learning about the Hippocratic Oath, and it is, first, do no harm.

00:27:58.800 And what they did to you, Preacher, I wish every single person who believes that you can change sex, who doesn't think the practice is to be harmful, I wish they could listen to this and tell me how these doctors did not violate their Hippocratic Oath, because it's very evident that they did.

00:28:17.880 And you are just so brave and courageous in the way that you so effectively tell your story, the way that you advocate for policy change, the way that you're pursuing litigation, I think, is a crucial part of real and lasting change, holding people accountable, putting their feet to the fire.

00:28:35.840 You're doing all of that and more, and not just for you, but for your children, both of them, for your husband, and for the other detransitioners, just like you. 1.00

00:28:48.640 So thank you, Preacher.

00:28:50.000 I feel like indebted to you.

00:28:52.780 It's heroic to do what you're doing.

00:28:55.800 Thank you so much for having me.

00:28:57.020 Thank you for listening to me.

00:28:58.320 Thank you for caring about people who, you know, have identified as trans or still do and are being harmed by their doctors.

00:29:04.600 No one deserves it.

00:29:05.900 And, you know, I've thought about it a lot.

00:29:08.060 You could hold a grudge.

00:29:09.820 You could be unhappy with the people who've been so cruel to you.

00:29:12.680 But I'm grateful from the bottom of my heart that you don't think anyone deserves this type of medical abuse.

00:29:17.800 Nobody.

00:29:18.580 Nobody.

00:29:19.100 I don't care who you are.

00:29:20.320 I don't care what you believe.

00:29:21.540 I don't care what religion, what color, if you're gay or straight.

00:29:25.040 None of that matters at the end of the day because we're all children of God, first and foremost.

00:29:29.940 And again, an understanding that he created us intentionally and uniquely in his perfect image.

00:29:38.780 I think that's what these, especially children, again, we could make the cases for adults, which certainly, but especially children, that's the message they need to hear.

00:29:48.500 Not that they were born wrong, that God made a mistake when he created them.

00:29:52.340 It just, it breaks my heart.

00:29:53.580 So, for doing that, Parisha, a hero in my eyes.

00:29:57.400 So, grateful for you.

00:29:59.160 Thank you, Riley.

00:29:59.860 I'll talk to you soon.

Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - February 11, 2026

A Detransitioner Shares Her Story ｜ The Riley Gaines Show

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