Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - July 02, 2025


Behind the Badge： Honoring First Responders with Joey Jones


Episode Stats

Length

26 minutes

Words per Minute

184.70546

Word Count

4,858

Sentence Count

323

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

Fox News contributor Joey Jones joins Betsy and Amanda to talk about his new book, Behind the Badge: Stories of First Responders in Afghanistan, Iraq, and beyond, and what it s like to be a member of the elite United States Marine Corps.


Transcript

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00:01:17.620 Hello, everybody.
00:01:25.220 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast,
00:01:27.480 and happy almost Independence Day.
00:01:30.360 I am reminded this week,
00:01:33.640 today, tomorrow, more than ever,
00:01:35.680 just how fortunate we are to live in the greatest nation.
00:01:39.840 God bless the people who fight for our nation,
00:01:44.440 to our first responders,
00:01:46.080 to our military members,
00:01:47.300 to the families of the fallen,
00:01:49.460 people like me who get to reap the benefits of the freedoms
00:01:53.940 that you all fight for,
00:01:56.320 continue to fight for on a daily basis.
00:01:58.840 We are indebted to you.
00:02:01.800 So thank you.
00:02:02.660 I hope everyone listening and watching enjoys their July 4th
00:02:06.840 and is reminded of just how lucky we are to live
00:02:11.100 in the United States of America.
00:02:15.000 In that vein,
00:02:16.040 we have a very, very exciting guest today
00:02:18.320 to talk about service,
00:02:21.460 but pretty remarkable because not just his service,
00:02:25.640 and he could talk about that for a long time.
00:02:27.940 He's here today to share with you
00:02:29.880 stories of first responders specifically
00:02:33.800 through his brand new book called Behind the Badge.
00:02:38.120 We are going to be talking to Fox News contributor,
00:02:41.140 Joey Jones.
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00:04:14.340 As I said, we're talking to Joey Jones.
00:04:17.100 If you watch Fox News,
00:04:19.160 maybe some of you know his personal story,
00:04:22.500 what he experienced that ultimately led him to where he is today.
00:04:26.860 But it was after high school.
00:04:28.020 He enlisted in the Marine Corps.
00:04:30.760 During his eight years, I believe, of service,
00:04:33.100 he worked as an explosive ordnance disposal,
00:04:35.780 basically a bomb technician.
00:04:37.440 Now he deployed to Iraq.
00:04:38.860 He deployed to Afghanistan on separate tours.
00:04:41.620 But during his last deployment to Afghanistan,
00:04:45.500 it was his team that had rendered safe
00:04:48.620 and destroyed nearly 80 improvised IEDs or explosive devices,
00:04:53.700 along with thousands of pounds of other unknown bulk explosives.
00:05:00.500 But it was during that tour back in 2010
00:05:03.140 when he stepped on and initiated an IED,
00:05:08.300 resulting in the loss of both of his legs above the knee
00:05:12.040 and severe damage to his,
00:05:14.920 actually both of his arms,
00:05:16.980 severe damage to his right forearm.
00:05:18.940 But as I said,
00:05:19.560 now he's a contributor to all Fox News media platforms,
00:05:22.320 Fox News Channel, Fox Business, Fox Nation.
00:05:25.860 He's a fill-in host for several hit shows on Fox,
00:05:29.240 including Fox & Friends,
00:05:31.120 The Five,
00:05:31.920 and the primetime show Fox News Tonight.
00:05:34.940 So very, very excited to be talking with him
00:05:36.940 and to get all of the behind the scenes of his new book,
00:05:40.020 Behind the Badge,
00:05:41.420 answering the call to serve on America's Homefront.
00:05:43.860 Check it out here.
00:05:45.480 Well, Joey, welcome to the Gains for Girls podcast.
00:05:49.680 Very, very excited to have you on.
00:05:51.620 And I was telling you prior to starting recording
00:05:54.640 that, of course, I'm grateful for you.
00:05:57.480 I'm grateful for your service.
00:05:59.320 But even more personally,
00:06:00.760 you have been someone from the beginning
00:06:03.160 who has just been so kind and gracious towards me
00:06:07.520 and, of course, the cause that I have found myself fighting for.
00:06:10.660 So thank you for everything.
00:06:12.120 Very, very excited for the opportunity to talk with you
00:06:14.480 and to talk about your new book
00:06:16.660 that has now just been released, Behind the Badge.
00:06:21.340 But before we get into any of that,
00:06:23.520 it has been a pretty hectic past month or so at this point.
00:06:28.140 We saw the No Kings Day protests happening all across the nation,
00:06:32.580 which I will say I was skeptical.
00:06:35.020 But to my dismay, it worked.
00:06:37.580 I woke up the next day and we had no kings.
00:06:40.640 How about that?
00:06:41.920 Yeah.
00:06:42.140 You know, you watch that army parade
00:06:43.440 and it's literally a celebration of the people
00:06:45.780 that got rid of a king.
00:06:47.640 So I don't understand the connection to begin with.
00:06:49.580 But hey, I'd say the most important thing
00:06:51.520 about No Kings Day is that a lot more Americans,
00:06:54.200 I think, showed up to be patriotic than not.
00:06:57.420 And you're always going to have dissent, I guess.
00:07:00.340 But I think a lot of people
00:07:01.540 that were on the wrong side of that are just bored.
00:07:04.080 And I don't get it.
00:07:05.660 But hopefully, you know, they don't stick around long.
00:07:09.220 Bored and old.
00:07:10.600 All of the coverage that I saw
00:07:12.940 from these No Kings Day protests,
00:07:14.560 like the crowd attendance looked like 70 average age, maybe.
00:07:20.700 That might be the low end of that.
00:07:22.280 So bored and old.
00:07:24.620 On top of, of course, the No Kings Day protests,
00:07:27.480 as you mentioned, it was the 250th birthday of the army,
00:07:32.080 also President Trump's birthday over the past month.
00:07:34.980 We also saw these riots that ensued in Los Angeles,
00:07:40.280 which I've listened to your insight
00:07:41.960 surrounding the National Guard deployment,
00:07:45.060 surrounding the failures of Gavin Newsom, etc. on Fox.
00:07:48.880 But there was this interaction on X
00:07:51.800 that I just thought was the most amazing thing ever.
00:07:54.780 And it started with Donald Trump.
00:07:56.440 In true Trump fashion,
00:07:58.940 there's like capital letters in there.
00:08:00.860 It's being sent out really early in the morning.
00:08:03.300 He put out something on True Social saying,
00:08:06.560 if they spit, we will hit.
00:08:08.620 This is a statement from the President of the United States
00:08:10.520 concerning the catastrophic Gavin Newsom-inspired riots
00:08:14.060 going on in Los Angeles.
00:08:16.260 The insurrectionists have a tendency to spit
00:08:18.100 in the face of the National Guardsmen and women and others.
00:08:20.600 These patriots are told to accept this.
00:08:22.620 It's just the way life runs,
00:08:24.240 but not in the Trump administration.
00:08:25.700 If they spit, we will hit.
00:08:27.580 And I promise you they will be hit harder
00:08:29.240 than they have ever been hit before.
00:08:31.560 Such disrespect will not be tolerated.
00:08:33.640 But then Gavin Newsom responded to this
00:08:36.620 by saying you sent your troops here
00:08:38.060 without fuel, food, water, or a place to sleep.
00:08:40.960 Here they are being forced to sleep on the floor
00:08:43.020 piled on top of one another.
00:08:44.500 If anyone is treating your troops disrespectfully,
00:08:46.560 it is you, Donald Trump.
00:08:48.080 And then he posted these photos.
00:08:50.380 Some people have speculated it's AI
00:08:52.540 given some inconsistencies
00:08:54.800 and some weird phalanges
00:08:56.840 that aren't really matching up in the photos.
00:08:58.800 Some are saying these are really old photos.
00:09:01.040 But I thought your response back to Gavin Newsom
00:09:04.500 was just amazing and so comprehensive
00:09:07.020 of what I would imagine many military members experience.
00:09:11.900 You said,
00:09:13.320 Amigo, I've slept on softball-sized gravel
00:09:15.800 under my truck the night before
00:09:17.200 and up under rows of seats at the airport
00:09:19.040 flying home on a delayed red eye
00:09:20.580 in the back of a seven-ton butt-to-butt
00:09:22.580 with my buddy and one poncho liner covering us
00:09:25.500 on top of an MRAP in the freezing cold
00:09:28.520 covering my body up with my gear
00:09:30.360 sitting against a wall
00:09:31.360 with my flak raised
00:09:32.360 propping my helmet on it
00:09:33.520 like a turtle in its shell.
00:09:34.640 They're deployed to a crisis.
00:09:35.960 None of them are expecting a holiday end.
00:09:38.080 Tell us about this.
00:09:39.700 Well, and my mind has even grown
00:09:41.780 from that of other examples,
00:09:43.480 but it's like this idea
00:09:44.860 that Gavin Newsom is more worried
00:09:47.240 about reaching for a messaging win
00:09:49.240 for a gotcha tweet
00:09:50.940 than maybe making sure
00:09:52.860 that his city doesn't burn
00:09:54.320 both literally and figuratively
00:09:56.380 when you look at everything
00:09:57.980 that's happened this year.
00:09:58.920 And I just really had to take a moment
00:10:01.360 and say, listen, bro,
00:10:02.200 you might be doing a lot of things,
00:10:03.700 but you're not defending our honor
00:10:05.360 with this tweet.
00:10:06.100 Like you're not doing anything
00:10:07.360 to speak for the men and women
00:10:09.000 that serve this country.
00:10:10.420 You don't sign up to play a sport
00:10:12.460 to bring this full circle
00:10:14.220 unless you want to go be in the game.
00:10:16.160 You don't do it for practice.
00:10:17.180 You don't do it
00:10:18.200 so that you never get to eat
00:10:19.760 what you want to
00:10:20.560 and always have to lift weights
00:10:21.880 and run hard.
00:10:22.800 You don't do it for that.
00:10:23.780 You do it because
00:10:24.560 you do all of those things
00:10:26.100 because one day
00:10:27.160 you might get to play in that game.
00:10:29.160 And regardless
00:10:29.720 if it's a contact sport or not,
00:10:31.280 there's a good chance
00:10:32.100 when you play in that game,
00:10:33.260 it's going to hurt a little bit.
00:10:34.860 And these guys and gals
00:10:36.280 deploying as crisis response
00:10:39.000 to support a community
00:10:40.400 that's in peril,
00:10:41.600 it's not supposed to feel good.
00:10:43.480 It's not supposed to be
00:10:44.540 a holiday in.
00:10:45.500 It's supposed to be
00:10:46.380 put your gear on,
00:10:47.360 suck it up and go do the work.
00:10:48.840 And that's what they train to do.
00:10:50.180 That's what they like doing.
00:10:51.380 And the real disrespect
00:10:53.360 to the troops
00:10:54.060 is the fact they had to be there
00:10:55.180 to begin with.
00:10:55.980 And that's the leadership
00:10:57.220 in California.
00:10:58.560 On top of that, though,
00:10:59.860 I mean,
00:11:00.740 have you ever spoke
00:11:01.480 to a lineman
00:11:02.180 or somebody that responds
00:11:03.360 to a natural disaster
00:11:05.060 like, say, a city burning down?
00:11:07.380 It's not like they're hanging out
00:11:08.500 in some fancy hotel either.
00:11:09.920 So when you make decisions
00:11:11.520 that allow communities
00:11:13.160 in your state to burn down,
00:11:14.920 what do you think
00:11:15.560 those first responders
00:11:16.600 were going through?
00:11:17.400 How do you think their life was?
00:11:18.780 How do you think
00:11:19.120 their family was
00:11:20.060 sitting up at night
00:11:21.000 hoping not to get a call
00:11:22.020 that they got caught up
00:11:22.840 in a fire they couldn't get out of?
00:11:24.260 Or even the LAPD officers
00:11:26.960 that were combating the riots
00:11:28.380 when they finally
00:11:28.840 were allowed to.
00:11:30.260 And you want to talk
00:11:31.140 about these National Guardsmen
00:11:32.540 or Marines sleeping
00:11:33.540 like Marines
00:11:34.560 and National Guardsmen
00:11:35.460 sleep when they're training?
00:11:37.000 Like, that's ridiculous.
00:11:38.820 Yeah.
00:11:39.220 Yeah.
00:11:39.460 And you're right.
00:11:40.000 They this is what
00:11:41.040 they prepare for.
00:11:42.140 And you mentioned
00:11:42.880 first responders.
00:11:43.640 This is what
00:11:44.600 and military members.
00:11:45.860 This is what their families
00:11:47.060 grow to
00:11:48.740 and have to be willing
00:11:49.800 to accept
00:11:50.540 as, you know,
00:11:51.740 tragic as it is,
00:11:53.040 especially when you're
00:11:54.080 deployed overseas.
00:11:55.500 That's what you
00:11:56.340 you sign up for.
00:11:57.160 That's what your family
00:11:57.900 expects.
00:11:58.900 And I, of course,
00:12:00.380 this is not something
00:12:01.080 that my husband
00:12:01.760 has ever had to deal
00:12:02.520 with our immediate family.
00:12:03.520 But nonetheless,
00:12:04.420 you would imagine
00:12:05.400 even being a spouse
00:12:07.480 to a military member
00:12:08.400 is something you have
00:12:09.340 to be OK with.
00:12:11.540 So so totally
00:12:12.780 to your new book.
00:12:14.140 Now, again,
00:12:14.800 behind the badge,
00:12:15.920 answering the call
00:12:16.500 to serve on
00:12:17.300 America's home front.
00:12:18.420 You mentioned
00:12:19.660 first responders.
00:12:20.460 That's what this book is.
00:12:21.360 It's a tribute
00:12:22.020 to first responders.
00:12:23.740 Can you just briefly
00:12:24.360 touch on a little
00:12:25.380 synopsis of the book
00:12:26.400 and I think
00:12:27.500 what inspired you
00:12:28.340 to write it
00:12:29.080 and why
00:12:29.920 why now of all times?
00:12:32.320 Yeah, I think
00:12:32.740 this is going to be
00:12:34.620 my
00:12:34.920 this is going to be
00:12:36.620 my most important work.
00:12:37.940 I think I really do
00:12:39.080 at least this point
00:12:40.060 in my career.
00:12:40.860 I wrote a book
00:12:41.760 a few years ago
00:12:42.400 called Unbroken Bonds
00:12:43.440 of Battle
00:12:43.780 where I highlighted
00:12:44.440 nine service members
00:12:45.480 in a gold star wife,
00:12:46.640 all of which were
00:12:47.460 close friends,
00:12:48.920 most of which
00:12:49.480 were really close friends
00:12:50.720 for more than a decade.
00:12:52.200 And the feedback
00:12:53.020 from that book
00:12:53.680 was how it helped
00:12:54.820 so many other veterans
00:12:56.280 and veteran families
00:12:57.540 deal with the trauma
00:12:58.880 they had been through
00:12:59.580 and understand
00:13:00.500 that they weren't crazy
00:13:01.960 for thinking
00:13:02.520 some of the things
00:13:03.120 they thought
00:13:03.560 or experiencing
00:13:04.460 what we call PTSD.
00:13:06.360 And also it allowed
00:13:07.400 them to be more prideful
00:13:08.360 because, I mean,
00:13:08.900 when you read that book,
00:13:09.940 the stories are
00:13:10.880 highs and lows
00:13:12.120 and the highs are heroic.
00:13:14.060 But immediately
00:13:14.860 after writing that book,
00:13:16.160 I realized that I had
00:13:17.380 all these first responders
00:13:18.240 in my life.
00:13:19.060 I had these firemen,
00:13:20.440 police officers,
00:13:21.200 state troopers,
00:13:22.140 a main game warden,
00:13:23.480 Jeremy Judd,
00:13:24.020 that's in the book
00:13:24.620 that I'd sit around
00:13:26.760 a campfire
00:13:27.440 and heard their story
00:13:28.660 and I was in absolute awe
00:13:30.420 at what they endured.
00:13:31.720 And for me
00:13:32.300 as a service member,
00:13:33.260 I go to war for six months
00:13:34.740 if you're in the army,
00:13:35.500 15 months.
00:13:36.780 You come home.
00:13:38.200 You're not in any environment
00:13:39.600 similar to what you were
00:13:40.520 at war with.
00:13:40.940 You got to leave your war
00:13:42.060 literally across an ocean.
00:13:43.800 But if you're a first responder,
00:13:46.220 your battlefield
00:13:46.980 is the community
00:13:48.720 you live in.
00:13:49.500 I mean,
00:13:49.820 the intersection
00:13:50.540 where you responded
00:13:52.260 to a fatal car accident
00:13:53.540 involving a young child
00:13:54.780 last night
00:13:55.460 is the one you're
00:13:56.380 driving through this morning
00:13:57.560 to take your kids
00:13:58.300 to school.
00:13:59.420 And you've got
00:13:59.880 to reason through that.
00:14:01.700 You know,
00:14:02.160 for some of the firemen,
00:14:03.960 you know,
00:14:04.240 they go past
00:14:04.840 an apartment building
00:14:05.620 every day
00:14:06.160 to take their family
00:14:06.880 to dinner.
00:14:07.680 And in that apartment building,
00:14:09.000 they've responded
00:14:09.980 to domestic abuse
00:14:11.480 of the worst kind,
00:14:12.640 drug overdose,
00:14:13.800 time and time again.
00:14:15.680 Fires that,
00:14:16.600 you know,
00:14:16.980 somebody cooking meth
00:14:18.020 burns down
00:14:18.620 three or four other apartments
00:14:19.780 and destroys lives.
00:14:21.620 And they go past
00:14:23.000 this apartment building
00:14:24.000 every day
00:14:24.440 to get to work
00:14:25.140 or to take their kids
00:14:25.940 to school
00:14:26.300 or to go out to eat.
00:14:27.620 They live in their battlefield.
00:14:29.820 And the best way
00:14:30.240 to explain it,
00:14:31.360 I guess,
00:14:31.900 the anecdote
00:14:32.420 or the turn of phrase
00:14:34.240 that really makes
00:14:34.900 a lot of sense
00:14:35.620 is the worst day
00:14:37.320 of our lives
00:14:38.260 as regular civilians,
00:14:39.860 citizens,
00:14:40.540 is another shift
00:14:41.960 for them.
00:14:42.880 And I start the book
00:14:43.840 telling the story
00:14:44.320 about my dad
00:14:45.040 when he passed away
00:14:45.980 and the firemen
00:14:47.580 that responded
00:14:48.180 and seeing him
00:14:49.140 a few weeks later
00:14:49.760 and having to tell him
00:14:50.380 no,
00:14:50.520 he didn't make it.
00:14:52.320 That's the point
00:14:54.900 of this whole book
00:14:55.640 is like,
00:14:56.900 you know,
00:14:57.140 that was just,
00:14:57.640 for all I know,
00:14:58.120 they did two or three
00:14:58.740 other calls like that
00:14:59.560 that night
00:14:59.940 and it was the most
00:15:00.540 traumatic thing
00:15:01.080 I've gone through
00:15:01.880 and to include war.
00:15:03.200 I mean,
00:15:03.360 you know,
00:15:03.680 when you do CPR
00:15:04.700 on your own dad,
00:15:05.420 it's not easy.
00:15:05.960 And so to know
00:15:07.660 that they had
00:15:08.240 to carry the burden
00:15:09.020 of seeing that look
00:15:10.100 on my face
00:15:10.760 of fear that night
00:15:11.800 and the only thing
00:15:12.520 that could make it better
00:15:13.260 was them doing their job.
00:15:14.680 Did they walk away
00:15:15.700 thinking,
00:15:16.180 man,
00:15:16.360 could I have done more?
00:15:17.300 Yeah,
00:15:17.420 I don't know.
00:15:18.740 And so I sought out
00:15:19.480 to find out
00:15:20.180 and I found nine
00:15:21.520 amazing,
00:15:23.040 as the first chapter says,
00:15:24.720 ordinary individuals
00:15:25.900 in extraordinary situations
00:15:27.800 day in and day out.
00:15:29.500 And part of the book
00:15:30.440 is to exacerbate on
00:15:34.320 or expand on this,
00:15:36.920 you know,
00:15:38.720 conversation between
00:15:39.900 defund the police
00:15:41.220 and support the blue.
00:15:42.760 But really,
00:15:43.280 it's a larger,
00:15:44.280 more objective view
00:15:45.200 because if you read this book,
00:15:46.380 I don't have to tell you
00:15:47.100 what to think.
00:15:47.600 You're going to read it
00:15:48.180 and you'll know
00:15:48.740 what the right thing is.
00:15:52.900 I have a friend
00:15:53.900 who just finished fire school.
00:15:57.320 He just started
00:15:57.960 as a fireman
00:15:58.820 here in Tennessee
00:15:59.480 and he's shared with me
00:16:02.060 some of the calls
00:16:03.380 that he has had
00:16:04.560 to respond to.
00:16:05.680 I mean,
00:16:06.200 so early in his career.
00:16:08.300 I mean,
00:16:08.440 he's only been doing this
00:16:09.260 a few months,
00:16:10.420 whether it's car accidents,
00:16:12.100 of course,
00:16:12.440 whether it's fires,
00:16:13.460 whether it's self-inflicted wounds.
00:16:15.540 I mean,
00:16:15.740 some of the most horrific things.
00:16:17.720 And as you said,
00:16:19.040 this is just another day
00:16:20.380 in the life for him.
00:16:21.680 I can't even imagine.
00:16:23.860 But it's remarkable
00:16:24.680 in the way that you do this
00:16:25.740 because you're not just
00:16:26.720 telling these stories.
00:16:28.580 You're telling
00:16:29.820 the motivations behind it.
00:16:31.180 You're sharing
00:16:31.640 about their families
00:16:32.840 and their values.
00:16:34.420 What are some common themes
00:16:35.920 that you saw
00:16:37.480 that you discovered
00:16:38.280 that drives
00:16:39.560 these men and women
00:16:40.380 to serve?
00:16:41.640 Yeah,
00:16:41.780 there's a lot of things.
00:16:42.880 You know,
00:16:43.020 when you write a book
00:16:43.740 and you learn
00:16:45.520 that you have an idea
00:16:47.520 going into it,
00:16:48.320 you go through it,
00:16:49.260 especially a book
00:16:50.080 like both of mine
00:16:51.100 where I have other people
00:16:52.140 weighing in.
00:16:53.360 And then on the back end,
00:16:54.160 you sit and you go,
00:16:54.700 wow,
00:16:54.840 what did I learn?
00:16:55.500 And I learned a lot.
00:16:56.400 There's a lot that I wish
00:16:57.120 I could go back
00:16:57.500 and put in the book
00:16:58.260 because I've had
00:16:59.160 more time to process
00:17:00.540 because the way
00:17:01.360 we wrote the book
00:17:01.960 is we interviewed
00:17:02.800 each of these individuals
00:17:04.340 based on what I knew
00:17:05.800 about them
00:17:06.160 and questions I had for them
00:17:07.360 and then let them
00:17:09.360 expound on what
00:17:10.260 they wanted to.
00:17:11.120 And so for just
00:17:11.560 about each one of them,
00:17:12.240 what I thought
00:17:12.640 they would talk about
00:17:13.320 wasn't exactly
00:17:14.020 what they ended up
00:17:14.580 talking about.
00:17:15.740 But some of the common themes,
00:17:16.880 some of the things
00:17:17.340 that really sewed
00:17:18.300 the thread
00:17:18.720 between all of them together,
00:17:20.100 first and foremost,
00:17:21.100 is that they learned
00:17:22.280 early on in their career
00:17:23.360 that it's going to come
00:17:24.620 at a heavier price
00:17:25.420 than they thought.
00:17:26.160 Jeremy Judd,
00:17:26.740 the main game warden,
00:17:27.600 says,
00:17:28.340 I had no idea
00:17:29.300 I would see
00:17:30.120 as many dead people
00:17:31.120 as I have
00:17:32.160 because he ended up
00:17:32.760 being a rescue diver,
00:17:34.060 a recovery diver,
00:17:35.460 as a game warden.
00:17:36.760 The one that says,
00:17:37.240 I thought I'd be
00:17:37.700 with animals and hunters.
00:17:38.940 No, it's saving people,
00:17:41.040 hopefully,
00:17:41.420 and recovering their body.
00:17:42.720 And so they all learned
00:17:43.920 early in their career
00:17:44.700 that it was a much larger
00:17:46.320 weight that they would carry
00:17:49.340 and never get to take off.
00:17:50.940 And then they all decided
00:17:51.760 the mission was worth it,
00:17:52.840 that it was worth it
00:17:53.880 to save their community,
00:17:54.980 to be there for them.
00:17:56.780 Some of the other things
00:17:57.760 you learn,
00:17:58.440 the thing I learned most
00:17:59.700 coming out of it
00:18:00.340 is we've had 20 years
00:18:01.440 of a conversation
00:18:02.200 about supporting
00:18:03.000 veterans' mental health.
00:18:04.120 I mean,
00:18:04.320 it started as early
00:18:05.860 as 2003, 2004,
00:18:07.740 and we're to a place now
00:18:09.240 to where it's pretty much
00:18:09.980 universally recognized
00:18:11.120 that veterans' mental health
00:18:12.420 is a problem.
00:18:13.840 It's something that needs
00:18:14.420 to be looked at
00:18:15.160 and society needs to support.
00:18:17.020 That conversation
00:18:17.780 has yet to even be started,
00:18:19.900 to get started
00:18:20.780 with our first responders.
00:18:21.880 And the psychological
00:18:24.220 trauma that they endure
00:18:26.720 is, I hate to say it,
00:18:28.420 is probably more
00:18:29.240 than any of our veterans
00:18:30.340 because we do these snapshots.
00:18:33.260 They do it daily.
00:18:35.340 Keith Dempsey,
00:18:36.180 the second chapter of the book,
00:18:37.180 says it's called
00:18:37.720 Suffering in Silence
00:18:38.760 because nobody knows
00:18:39.860 to talk about it.
00:18:40.740 They don't believe they could.
00:18:41.760 A lot of them
00:18:42.360 don't want to talk about it
00:18:43.080 because they don't want
00:18:43.480 to take away from us
00:18:44.240 in the military.
00:18:44.940 They don't want to be seen
00:18:46.160 as comparing themselves to us
00:18:47.580 if they say,
00:18:48.080 yeah, I think I have PTSD.
00:18:49.140 And so the grassroots effort
00:18:51.360 happens in the fire halls
00:18:52.920 and in the police precincts
00:18:54.300 and on the SWAT team.
00:18:55.760 It just happens
00:18:56.920 in conversation.
00:18:57.620 They're figuring it out
00:18:58.540 for themselves.
00:18:59.320 The resources aren't there.
00:19:01.200 And so to understand,
00:19:02.320 one,
00:19:02.660 that how heavy
00:19:03.940 of a burden it is
00:19:04.840 and that they decide
00:19:05.860 to carry it
00:19:06.620 and two,
00:19:07.720 the support for it
00:19:08.540 really isn't there
00:19:09.260 and they just,
00:19:10.000 they still end up
00:19:10.760 doing 30 years
00:19:11.540 on the force
00:19:12.160 or 20 years
00:19:12.920 in the fire hall.
00:19:13.640 It just really is
00:19:14.440 incredibly inspirational.
00:19:15.980 And the best way
00:19:16.860 I can frame it,
00:19:17.620 the best thing I can say
00:19:18.560 is when you leave
00:19:19.960 your house
00:19:20.560 as an American,
00:19:22.320 we talk about
00:19:23.420 being entitled.
00:19:24.580 Our largest sense
00:19:25.720 of entitlement
00:19:26.320 is that if we wreck
00:19:27.740 our car,
00:19:28.340 somebody will be there
00:19:29.080 to save us.
00:19:30.080 If a natural disaster
00:19:32.040 happens,
00:19:32.620 somebody's going
00:19:33.120 to be there
00:19:33.440 to save us.
00:19:34.080 If our house
00:19:34.580 catches on fire,
00:19:35.420 somebody's going
00:19:35.940 to be there
00:19:36.260 to save us.
00:19:36.820 If we go into
00:19:37.280 a medical emergency
00:19:38.160 at Walmart,
00:19:39.440 somebody's going
00:19:40.140 to be there
00:19:40.520 to save us.
00:19:41.200 We do not doubt
00:19:42.260 that.
00:19:42.740 Nobody doubts that.
00:19:44.280 Now,
00:19:45.200 is the police
00:19:45.700 always going
00:19:46.060 to make it
00:19:46.440 there in time
00:19:46.980 if there's
00:19:47.400 an active shooter
00:19:48.280 or something?
00:19:48.780 Those are situations
00:19:49.740 that are incredibly
00:19:50.440 rare that people
00:19:51.260 may doubt.
00:19:52.100 But as far as
00:19:52.580 car wrecks
00:19:53.280 and somebody,
00:19:54.460 you always believe
00:19:56.240 they'll be there
00:19:56.980 and you never think
00:19:58.200 about what that means
00:19:59.380 to them
00:20:00.500 that are there
00:20:01.320 in those worst
00:20:02.360 moments of our life.
00:20:04.360 And just to think,
00:20:05.380 like when you look
00:20:05.840 at this book,
00:20:06.440 we've got somebody
00:20:07.080 from LAPD
00:20:07.980 in Baltimore County
00:20:08.700 SWAT.
00:20:09.560 We've got firemen
00:20:10.360 from Dalton,
00:20:11.040 Georgia.
00:20:11.620 We've got police
00:20:13.000 officers,
00:20:13.760 Indiana State
00:20:14.340 Patrolmen.
00:20:15.260 These aren't
00:20:15.600 large cities.
00:20:16.480 These are small
00:20:17.040 municipalities
00:20:17.720 and local
00:20:18.860 rural areas,
00:20:19.940 but their stories
00:20:20.940 are just as impactful
00:20:21.920 as what you see
00:20:22.560 in Chicago Fire
00:20:23.460 or hear from,
00:20:24.320 you know,
00:20:24.820 like Nashville
00:20:25.420 or Boston.
00:20:27.760 Yeah,
00:20:28.220 yeah.
00:20:28.680 And if we learned
00:20:29.240 anything from
00:20:29.760 the last election,
00:20:30.600 it's that these
00:20:31.720 stories matter
00:20:32.620 in these small
00:20:34.280 rural parts
00:20:35.120 of the country.
00:20:36.520 So thank you
00:20:37.680 for being able
00:20:38.540 and willing
00:20:39.120 to tell their stories.
00:20:40.020 I imagine it took
00:20:40.660 a toll on you
00:20:41.380 hearing what
00:20:43.140 both these men
00:20:44.320 and women
00:20:44.680 had to say
00:20:45.460 to you.
00:20:47.160 If there's one
00:20:48.040 message,
00:20:48.500 last thing about
00:20:49.140 the book here,
00:20:49.680 if there's one
00:20:50.280 message that you
00:20:51.700 want readers
00:20:52.320 to take from
00:20:53.380 behind the badge,
00:20:54.240 especially as
00:20:55.080 they're waving
00:20:55.920 the flag this
00:20:56.600 summer or tomorrow
00:20:57.520 on July 4th,
00:20:58.940 what would that be?
00:21:00.520 We live in a special
00:21:01.500 place.
00:21:02.180 We live in a place
00:21:02.940 where we talk about
00:21:03.480 our all-volunteer
00:21:04.220 military.
00:21:04.700 Nobody's holding a gun
00:21:05.400 to anyone's head
00:21:05.920 and saying,
00:21:06.280 go be a police
00:21:06.740 officer.
00:21:07.500 I mean,
00:21:07.660 I say all the time,
00:21:08.280 why would somebody
00:21:09.260 want to be a police
00:21:10.060 officer the way
00:21:10.660 they're treated
00:21:11.060 in some places?
00:21:11.920 And the onus is
00:21:12.900 always on them
00:21:13.460 to be perfect.
00:21:14.820 If you want to
00:21:15.520 answer that question,
00:21:16.400 read this book.
00:21:17.180 If you really
00:21:17.820 want to understand
00:21:18.660 why somebody
00:21:19.940 would do that,
00:21:21.460 read this book.
00:21:22.380 And it's from
00:21:22.980 an absolute place
00:21:24.220 of selflessness
00:21:24.900 and service.
00:21:26.080 And it's this idea
00:21:26.980 which our military
00:21:28.060 understands.
00:21:28.720 I may sacrifice
00:21:29.420 all of my tomorrows
00:21:30.680 so that you have
00:21:31.620 a chance at yours.
00:21:32.960 And this is not
00:21:33.940 an individual's life.
00:21:35.660 Yeah,
00:21:36.500 I ask myself
00:21:37.860 that question.
00:21:39.200 Again,
00:21:39.740 my great-grandfather
00:21:41.540 and on both sides
00:21:43.320 of my family,
00:21:44.540 both my mom
00:21:45.020 and dad's side,
00:21:45.660 they both served
00:21:46.320 in the army.
00:21:48.140 But my parents
00:21:49.760 did not.
00:21:50.400 So I would say
00:21:51.200 I'm relatively
00:21:51.800 removed from what
00:21:53.060 that lifestyle
00:21:53.620 looks like.
00:21:54.160 And I found myself
00:21:54.940 over the L.A. riots,
00:21:56.500 especially asking
00:21:57.300 that question of,
00:21:58.280 oh my gosh,
00:21:58.780 why in the world
00:21:59.680 would anyone
00:22:00.760 want to be
00:22:02.500 a police officer
00:22:03.840 in a city
00:22:04.820 like L.A.?
00:22:06.320 So again,
00:22:07.520 this book,
00:22:08.440 it does perfectly
00:22:09.580 encapsulate that.
00:22:10.840 And I wish
00:22:11.220 I had read it
00:22:11.900 prior to asking
00:22:13.220 that question
00:22:13.800 because it really
00:22:14.380 does answer it
00:22:15.080 like you said.
00:22:16.260 Where can people
00:22:16.960 find the book
00:22:17.560 and how can
00:22:18.720 those who are
00:22:19.340 listening or
00:22:19.880 watching this
00:22:20.860 support the
00:22:22.160 first responders
00:22:22.860 in their own
00:22:23.400 communities?
00:22:24.640 Yeah,
00:22:24.900 finding the book's
00:22:25.840 easy.
00:22:26.280 Anywhere books
00:22:26.680 are sold,
00:22:27.100 it's on the
00:22:27.480 shelves in your
00:22:28.040 bookstore.
00:22:28.520 If it isn't,
00:22:28.900 ask them why it
00:22:29.440 isn't because
00:22:29.880 it should be.
00:22:31.100 Amazon,
00:22:31.880 but we like
00:22:32.800 you to go
00:22:33.020 to foxnewsbooks.com
00:22:34.480 and find it
00:22:34.940 there.
00:22:35.860 But anywhere
00:22:36.280 you find books,
00:22:37.060 anywhere they're
00:22:37.460 sold,
00:22:37.780 it should be
00:22:38.180 available.
00:22:39.560 And I think
00:22:39.920 people are
00:22:41.400 starting to
00:22:41.820 really read it
00:22:42.460 and enjoy it,
00:22:43.280 get good feedback
00:22:43.880 from it.
00:22:45.100 Yeah.
00:22:45.640 Your last
00:22:46.640 question,
00:22:47.120 how can people
00:22:47.600 support first
00:22:48.360 responders?
00:22:49.860 I say the same
00:22:50.560 thing I say
00:22:50.920 about the military.
00:22:51.660 Start with the
00:22:52.040 ones in your
00:22:52.420 life and having
00:22:54.540 conversations with
00:22:55.420 them.
00:22:56.560 And secondly,
00:22:57.260 from there,
00:22:58.280 if you are
00:22:59.200 active in your
00:22:59.760 community,
00:23:00.240 what kind of
00:23:00.740 support is
00:23:01.580 there for
00:23:02.000 them for
00:23:02.440 their
00:23:02.700 psychological
00:23:03.220 health.
00:23:04.040 And lastly,
00:23:04.880 it's kind of
00:23:05.160 the easy
00:23:05.420 one.
00:23:05.900 Don't be
00:23:06.200 one of the
00:23:06.500 problems they
00:23:06.940 have to
00:23:07.140 respond to.
00:23:08.000 Be responsible.
00:23:08.920 Don't let
00:23:09.140 your house
00:23:09.440 get on fire.
00:23:10.000 Don't get
00:23:10.240 in a car wreck
00:23:10.740 because you
00:23:10.960 were putting
00:23:11.220 makeup on
00:23:11.780 or texting.
00:23:13.360 Live a
00:23:13.880 responsible
00:23:14.300 life so that
00:23:15.040 you're one
00:23:15.360 less incident.
00:23:17.060 Go get
00:23:17.500 checked up so
00:23:18.120 you're not
00:23:18.340 having a heart
00:23:18.760 attack.
00:23:20.480 Take care of
00:23:21.120 yourself so
00:23:21.840 they don't
00:23:22.440 have to
00:23:22.720 respond to
00:23:23.180 a bad
00:23:23.460 day.
00:23:24.520 Yeah.
00:23:25.160 And I
00:23:25.600 will say at
00:23:26.040 my church,
00:23:27.420 what I have
00:23:27.780 found in
00:23:28.660 asking and
00:23:29.580 being involved
00:23:30.740 the different
00:23:31.120 Devo groups
00:23:31.720 or whatever
00:23:32.060 it is,
00:23:32.760 there are
00:23:33.060 fantastic ways
00:23:34.000 oftentimes in
00:23:35.940 the spiritual
00:23:36.820 world,
00:23:37.800 whether that's
00:23:38.620 your church,
00:23:39.560 whatever that
00:23:40.000 looks like to
00:23:40.560 get involved
00:23:41.160 and give back
00:23:41.740 in that way.
00:23:42.680 That is how
00:23:43.320 both me,
00:23:44.600 my family,
00:23:45.360 my extended
00:23:45.780 family, we do
00:23:46.500 that through
00:23:46.920 our local
00:23:47.420 church.
00:23:47.760 I would
00:23:48.000 encourage
00:23:48.280 people to
00:23:48.660 check out
00:23:49.020 what their
00:23:49.360 church is
00:23:49.760 doing.
00:23:50.400 And if
00:23:50.540 they're not
00:23:50.800 doing anything,
00:23:52.020 help make
00:23:52.600 that connection
00:23:53.120 for them because
00:23:53.900 I think it's
00:23:54.560 a really
00:23:55.460 wonderful
00:23:56.180 collaboration.
00:23:57.600 So Joey,
00:23:58.040 thank you for
00:23:58.580 everything.
00:23:59.080 Again, thank
00:23:59.480 you for your
00:23:59.880 service.
00:24:00.340 Excited for
00:24:01.180 tomorrow.
00:24:02.460 We are
00:24:02.720 really so
00:24:03.340 fortunate to
00:24:04.000 live in the
00:24:05.180 greatest nation
00:24:06.120 in the world.
00:24:07.720 And a large
00:24:08.220 part of that is
00:24:08.880 to thank people
00:24:10.260 like yourself.
00:24:11.160 So thank you.
00:24:12.160 It's a great
00:24:12.700 nation because
00:24:13.300 the people made
00:24:13.980 it that way.
00:24:15.700 When people say
00:24:16.440 thank you for
00:24:16.780 your service,
00:24:17.200 I say thank you
00:24:17.840 for being worth
00:24:18.480 serving.
00:24:19.460 Yeah, that's
00:24:20.400 good.
00:24:20.940 That's good.
00:24:21.420 Well, you rock
00:24:21.920 and we'll be
00:24:22.320 cheering you on
00:24:22.980 all your coverage.
00:24:24.060 I imagine you
00:24:24.560 will be very,
00:24:25.220 very busy
00:24:25.720 over the next
00:24:26.440 year.
00:24:26.780 Very busy tomorrow.
00:24:27.660 We've got a
00:24:27.920 4th of July
00:24:28.360 special from
00:24:29.320 8 to 10,
00:24:29.960 I believe.
00:24:30.760 Fantastic.
00:24:31.440 Fantastic.
00:24:32.160 Well, thank you,
00:24:32.660 Joey.
00:24:33.320 Yes, ma'am.
00:24:34.660 As Joey said,
00:24:35.320 go to foxbooks.com.
00:24:36.920 It should be
00:24:37.360 really easy for
00:24:38.160 you from there.
00:24:39.620 Incredible and
00:24:40.640 inspirational read.
00:24:42.260 And no better
00:24:43.400 time to read it
00:24:44.580 than right now,
00:24:46.220 July 4th being
00:24:47.440 tomorrow,
00:24:48.620 the sense and
00:24:49.900 feelings of
00:24:51.060 patriotism that
00:24:52.400 I can speak to,
00:24:53.560 that I have,
00:24:54.680 that are surging
00:24:56.120 throughout my
00:24:56.660 little hometown
00:24:57.360 in rural Tennessee.
00:24:59.700 But even thinking
00:25:00.900 back to
00:25:01.400 inauguration,
00:25:02.580 I was in
00:25:03.220 Washington, D.C.
00:25:04.200 as Donald Trump
00:25:05.140 was inaugurated as
00:25:06.340 the 47th president
00:25:07.340 of the United
00:25:08.000 States.
00:25:09.520 It felt different.
00:25:10.740 I knew this year
00:25:12.040 would be a little
00:25:12.740 different, but of
00:25:14.120 course, as we are
00:25:15.000 approaching July
00:25:15.800 4th, understanding
00:25:17.740 the freedoms that
00:25:19.020 we have because of
00:25:20.200 those who fought
00:25:20.940 for those freedoms,
00:25:22.660 fantastic time to
00:25:24.540 read Joey's new
00:25:25.920 book, Behind the
00:25:27.440 Badge.
00:25:27.800 So, check it out,
00:25:29.120 foxbooks.com.
00:25:30.600 Enjoy your July
00:25:31.540 4th, your
00:25:32.560 Independence Day.
00:25:33.520 Remember what it
00:25:34.200 means.
00:25:34.620 really, really
00:25:36.300 critical time in
00:25:37.300 our nation and
00:25:38.140 very, very proud
00:25:39.420 today, tomorrow,
00:25:41.380 and always to be
00:25:43.000 an American.
00:25:44.220 I love this holiday
00:25:45.060 because I get to
00:25:45.460 rub it in my
00:25:45.900 husband's face.
00:25:47.300 He was on the
00:25:48.060 podcast a few
00:25:49.120 weeks ago when we
00:25:50.260 announced the
00:25:51.040 pregnancy of
00:25:52.540 our family.
00:25:54.620 We were having
00:25:55.040 this little girl
00:25:56.640 coming in September,
00:25:57.640 which is so
00:25:58.260 exciting, but he
00:26:00.440 admitted on that
00:26:01.640 podcast, if you go
00:26:02.580 back and listen,
00:26:03.120 that he was born
00:26:03.900 on the wrong
00:26:04.440 side of the
00:26:05.080 revolution, which
00:26:06.360 I will be happy
00:26:07.260 to remind him
00:26:08.260 tomorrow.
00:26:09.340 Thank you guys
00:26:10.020 for watching the
00:26:10.600 Gains for Girls
00:26:11.100 podcast.
00:26:11.640 Go to
00:26:11.800 youtube.com.
00:26:12.640 That's where you
00:26:13.060 can find all
00:26:14.220 things Gains for
00:26:15.060 Girls, youtube.com
00:26:16.000 slash outkick, and
00:26:16.800 we will see you
00:26:17.260 guys again next
00:26:17.880 week.