Breaking the Silence： Riley Gaines & Jen Sey Call Out Nike & HR Wokeness
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In this week's episode of the Gains For Girls podcast, we're celebrating the launch of a new collaboration with XXXY Athletics. We're joined by the brand's founder, Jenny Seibert, to talk about how she and her team at the company came to create something special, and what you can expect in the future.
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We have an exciting episode for you today with an announcement.
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I actually made the announcement on my Instagram a few weeks ago
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surrounding a special collaboration that I did with one of my favorite brands,
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It's available for you all to purchase, to buy.
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Hint, I am wearing one of the products right now.
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If you have not guessed, this collaboration was in with XXXY Athletics.
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We've had Jinsei, the owner of this brand, on before.
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Elite-level gymnast, national team member, the real deal in her sport,
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but has gone on since her departure from Levi's, where she was the CMO.
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She's got a fantastic, really, I mean, it's tragic,
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the things that she went through, the things she had to realize on her own accord,
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really, ultimately, was surrounding COVID initially back in 2020.
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But what she's been able to do since, creating XXXY Athletics
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and a brand for people to proudly and publicly declare that they know what a woman is
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and that they know what a man is, pretty novel stuff.
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But before we get into this episode, I want to tell you, number one,
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I want you guys to comment what your favorite piece of clothing from this new line is.
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As I said, we've got this episode right here for you guys with Jen Say.
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Well, Jen, welcome back to the GAINS for Girls podcast.
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This episode, we have some super duper exciting news that you and I have been working on for
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So I've got a little video I'm going to show first talking about this brand new collection
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I've been working with XXXY since they started, but it is surreal to now collaborate with them.
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I have my own line, if you will, with them called the Be Bold Collection.
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Expect some red, white, and blue for the 4th of July.
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It's how we feel about the greatest nation in the world.
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And of course, proclaiming the message that women's sports are only for women.
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And to be able to put my name to something I feel so passionately about personally.
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And of course, what the brand feels passionately.
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It's so cool to even watch that back now, knowing this happened a few months ago.
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Seeing my little sister there, I think it makes it all the more special.
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I even see her in the little poster behind you, which is incredible.
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So of course, you are wearing a shirt from the collection.
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Talk a little bit about this, some of your favorite pieces.
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And I think really what you hope this line can achieve.
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Well, two of my favorite pieces are the ones you and I are wearing.
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We did a drop of sort of the casual pieces, like this tee, which is an oversized concert
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And it has the 37 words on the back, which you see right there.
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And then that is the velour tracksuit, which is so flippin' cute and very kind of 70s retro
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And what we have coming a little bit before this show comes out is a second drop, which
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So you don't see the pictures there, but that's the real workout gear.
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So that's the legging, the crop tank, which I know is one of your favorite pieces in our
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So those are high performance, workout gear, real athletes, real performance.
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And, you know, think Billie Eilish oversized tee with bike shorts kind of a vibe.
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And 1972, when this landmark legislation launched, which, you know, I started my sport, gymnastics,
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I mean, I was one of the first beneficiaries of Title IX.
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And I'm going to fight like heck to make sure my daughter, who is only eight, has the opportunities
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So I think the other piece of the collection, we worked closely together on it.
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We wanted to reflect your style, your sensibility, your 12-time All-American status, which is
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why you see red, white, and blue, and your signature on it.
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Like we want this, we want it to be cool to stand up and say women's sports are for women.
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Because you know what, Riley, you know this better than I do.
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Most people agree with us, but they're too afraid to say it.
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And I think really cool product that we made together could be part of that.
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And yeah, the oversized tea is like the cool, trendy thing.
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Look, you have the, on the back right there, you have the original 37 words that were written
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as Title IX was meant to be implemented back in 1972.
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And it shows you the progression, how far we have come as a country that, I mean, half
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a century later, we've taken those originally, you know, those original 37 words, and it's
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Especially under, it started under the Obama administration, of course, continued under
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the Biden administration to, it wasn't, you know, any more of these 37 words.
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It was over 1,500 pages long, what they had done to Title IX.
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So now to see a slow but steady return under the second now Trump administration is a really,
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The shirt's a super awesome way to be able to show your support for women's sports, for
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what they've been able to do for people like you and me.
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So, uh, as I mentioned, I think the cool part of the 37 words, and the reason I wanted it
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on the back of this T and you and I agreed, we both wanted it is, first of all, that's
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so simple, 37 words, but there's a few words that are really important within those 37.
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And that is on the basis of sex, not gender identity.
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I'm not going to get the exact words right, but we shall not be denied opportunity in the
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And that's what's been usurped from us because of the language games that have been played
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And that is why they have attempted to redefine the meaning of sex.
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That is why they insist on using, um, language like trans women are women.
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And so this was so perfectly stated 53 years ago.
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I want to get back to reality and I want to just get back to protecting women's rights.
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So, you know, though, on the basis of sex, that's really the most important part of those
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And the meaning of that has been stolen, hijacked, as you said, and we have to rest it back.
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Uh, so very grateful for, for you, for the opportunity to collaborate in this way, again,
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to be able to lend my name, uh, to such a worthy cause, uh, is beyond gratifying.
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And I've been able to see some of the new pieces, the performance pieces that you mentioned,
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uh, cannot wait for those to drop for everyone to be able to see those and wear those.
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Uh, I have a couple other things I want to talk to you about in this episode, but can
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Just look for the carousel with Riley's face, and you'll be able to buy any of the items
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And very soon the performance, by the time you're listening to this, those items will
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Uh, both of those will take you to the place that you need to go to, uh, again, order this
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And again, it's like kind of cool to say it now.
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Jen, there was this video of you that went viral.
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I think for all of the right reasons, just a few weeks ago, talking about HR, human resources.
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But do not get in my business and tell us how we have to talk about things, what we can
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say, what words are acceptable and what words are not.
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I mean, how many millions of views did this have?
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You know, there's been op-eds in the New York Post about it.
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And I will tell you, Riley, it was like a throwaway comment at this conference.
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That's not even what I was there to talk about.
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I was there to talk about the way that brands can influence culture.
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I was in a conversation with Chef Andrew Gruul, a chef out of Los Angeles, who really feels
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that, you know, his food and the culture in his restaurant, that influences culture.
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And, you know, what we were really talking about is how we've all ceded this territory to not
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just the left, but the far left, you know, those tools of culture that influence the way we all
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I don't even remember why I made that statement.
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I've been saying this for a while that I really don't have much love for HR.
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Look, I've spent 35 years in corporate culture, so I have seen it evolve.
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And as I referenced in my throwaway comment, when I started out in corporate America, HR was
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really about recruiting benefits, you know, make sure you got your pay on the right day,
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you know, and it's dramatically evolved over the years.
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And I think in the last 10 years, they've become this sort of like policing function in
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And they force you to take endless trainings, which takes you away from the business, which
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makes you terrified that you're going to say the wrong word and get fired or canceled
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And it's just become this sort of very officious, I'm in charge of the way you behave function
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under the guise of like, we're going to create an environment that's inclusive.
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That's the but it has nothing to do with making great product, driving the business, financial
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discipline, it doesn't have anything to do with that.
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And it makes us all feel censored and scared to talk.
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And that is not just bad for business, that's bad for America.
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So look, I'm sure there are companies that don't have HR, that part was a little bit,
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Yeah, but it hit a nerve for all the right reasons.
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Because again, you see how many people who support this idea, who support this notion,
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and you can only imagine how many of those people are working for companies that do have
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some sort of HR in place, of course, like most companies or businesses or organizations
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And they have probably been on the receiving end of what some of this policing looks like.
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That's why so many people resonate with it, because they know it to be true, too.
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They just maybe haven't found themselves in a position or maybe it's even the courage to
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But hearing you say what even you would, you know, call a disregard comment, something that
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just felt kind of off the cuff, and you weren't even really thinking about it at the time,
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Those are the ones that tend to do best in terms of virality, for some reason.
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Well, they're the, they're the most authentic, probably, you know, it's not planned, you just
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I mean, it's something I've been saying for the last five years or so.
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So certainly a topic that I have a lot of energy for, you know, what's really interesting,
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Riley, is for all the naysayers, who were, you know, criticizing it, probably many of
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them HR professionals, it was always, you're going to get sued, HR protects you from yourself.
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Seriously, like I am an adult, I know how to conduct myself, I treat people respectfully,
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I expect the people that work in my organization to do the same.
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We don't need some, you know, head girl, student body president walking around the halls telling
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I, the vision I have in my mind, I don't know, this might be too far back for you, but have
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you ever seen the movie Election with Reese Witherspoon?
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There's a character in it named Tracy Flick, and she's this very, like, in the front row,
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raising her hand, you know, always has the answer to every question.
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And that is not good for innovation, creativity, collaboration, any of it.
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And I think you're right, people are tired of it, because they've been subjected to it.
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And, you know, the last thing I will, I will add is there's been that dust up in the
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last few days, which I don't want to kind of beat a dead horse about with the, you know,
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the CEO and the HR lead, um, caught in the embrace.
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Um, and I, I think for me, what was interesting about it is she was the head of HR and what
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hit a nerve for me and for many people in the commentary is like, this is the woman policing
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everybody's actions and defining what is moral and ethical behavior in the company while doing
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So it's the hypocrisy that I think just people are done with.
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And, and, uh, it's not something I would have thought of, but I think again, you being in
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that position that you've been previously with Levi's now having your own company, your
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own business, uh, to run, uh, your own profits to turn, you do notice those things.
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Uh, and I've always been of the mindset where if someone has to tell you to be kind, like
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what a, as a grown adult, what a crazy, what a crazy world we live in where someone has to
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And of course they use words like inclusive or compassionate or empathetic, uh, similar
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to how we were discussing with the word sex itself.
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Uh, these words have also been totally hijacked to mean actually really the exact opposite of
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as their true connotation, their true intention of these words.
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But if you, as a grown adult have to tell another grown adult to be kind, uh, that, that should
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I think we should be able to conduct ourselves better than that anyways.
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And I think to be clear, the other thing that people take issue with is, you know, they're
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They often call themselves chief people officers now, which I think is a ludicrous name.
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Um, that's what the woman at Coldplay called herself chief people officer, but they are
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Um, they pretend they are there to serve the employee, but they are not.
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Um, and so I think it's, it's really misleading, you know, oftentimes if an employee were to
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go with a complaint, for instance, about a senior employee, the HR team would lock into place
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They would not take those, um, concerns seriously.
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They are there to protect the officers of the company and the company's reputation.
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And at the end of the day, there's other functions that do that.
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So, yeah, it was, that one kind of blew me away though.
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You're, you know, as, as far as people getting super excited about that state, that very simple
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Well, I think you gave a lot of people and companies a bright idea, maybe something to advocate
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for, uh, there was a Nike ad, which of course Nike, I mean, we could talk for, for hours,
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uh, about the insidious nature of, of Nike, uh, not just in what they've promoted, what
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they haven't promoted, uh, but how they engage in child slave labor.
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Like, like there's a lot, uh, in terms of, of substance that we could talk about that
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is fundamentally wrong with Nike and how they operate as a business, as an organization,
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Um, but they had an ad, uh, that went viral over the past week or so surrounding Scotty
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Uh, I think we have a picture of that ad here, uh, and it says, you've already won.
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And I saw this, and of course, I mean, this represents to me a huge cultural shift.
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Granted, I mean, if you compare this to what Nike was promoting in 2021, where, uh, whether
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it's, it's obesity in 2023, they're promoting Dylan Mulvaney, a man, uh, wearing a sports
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So I wanted to ask you, like, do you see this as a cultural shift or is this just Nike
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hopping on the next bandwagon or the next thing that can make them money?
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I think, um, look, Nike is a brand that I have respected, um, for their marketing capability
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or how I think for, for many years and more of their product for many years.
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Um, I had my own experience interviewing there in 2011.
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I would say that was sort of the beginning of being turned off by this brand and this
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Um, there have been a series of very high profile instances of how poorly they treat women, both
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employees, as well as their paid endorsers, as well as athletes that trained with them.
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They actually had a training program, uh, called the Oregon Running Project.
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And they abused a young woman, Mary Kane, to the point of suicidality.
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And she went there as the best young runner in the world.
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So, you know, the image of how they present themselves as a champion for women, but how
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And I think it's reflective of the hypocrisy and the organization more broadly and all the
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And I would say this is, this is that, you know, just a year or two ago, um, they ran
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an ad using a monologue by Willem Dafoe from Spider-Man movies.
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And it was all about, you know, when by any means necessary, that could not be more at
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Or do you go like this and you feel the winds changing and you just move in that direction?
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And at what point are you going to get on board with our message and pretend you let
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Um, just because that is the, uh, more advantageous message at that time.
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This is not a principled organization in any way, shape or form.
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I think their supply chain, which you alluded to, um, is the most egregious example of how,
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It has come before their board many, many times, uh, the question of moving, uh, factories
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and production and supply chain out of China and the board, the board votes against moving
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The problem with producing in China is you are not allowed to monitor the factories, which
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means there is inevitably forced labor being used, um, in those factories.
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Um, we produce nothing in China for that reason.
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So I think they're just sort of the epitome of woke capitalism.
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And when wokeness is not the thing and it's being a dad, a cool dad, you know, like offer
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Um, so I'm not buying it, but I will tell you they're brilliant marketers.
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They pull your heartstrings, you know, they really are quite, I give them full credit.
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And again, not to kind of bring it back to, to my brand, but I trained with the best.
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I, you know, we were really good at this at Levi's as well.
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And I want to bring that to this category, but in a truthful way, you know, and I want
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to bring it to a brand that isn't necessarily of the far left.
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There's brands developing in this kind of freedom economy, you know, um, some call it
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I wouldn't necessarily call it that because I don't think it's all, uh, of that ilk, but
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a lot of times the content isn't as emotional and uplifting.
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And I want to bring that world-class content to our side of the mess so we can convince people
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Well, you have a lot of the, the ads or commercials or campaigns that you guys have, have ran have
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Again, garnering millions and millions of views across socials.
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I think Nike will just do the popular thing again, ultimately the thing that makes them
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That's what runs any business naturally as, as I think it has to, it has to go that way.
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Again, if you want to turn profit, um, but in total contrast to, again, how you guys started
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as a business, it wasn't cool back then, uh, to wear on your chest.
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What, what I'm wearing right now, a big shirt that says save women's sports with two X's
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on it, obviously denoting the female chromosomes.
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And I think that's more so what represents the cultural shift again, Nike's just doing
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It's cool to me that Scotty Scheffler is popular.
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He's popular for declaring his faith in the Lord.
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That's what is, is the cultural shift is Scotty Scheffler and the people now that have
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One of those people being myself, I don't find much entertaining about golf to be totally
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Um, so that represents the cultural shift to me.
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And so they're leaning into, you know, family values.
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That idea that you should win by any means necessary, which is sort of their ethos in the
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We're here to grow revenue, to grow profit and compete with the, the big boys.
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If we're able to do that, I can make more contributions to organizations like icons women.
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If we are making money and growing and profitable, I don't ever have to be a hypocrite though.
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I got no beef with that, but you don't have to be a hypocrite.
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You don't have to pretend to support women and make money off of pretending to support
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women and then treat them with total disregard.
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You could actually stand up for women or don't make that your marketing message.
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You know, just make it about the shoes that that's the part I take issue with is the hypocrisy.
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Look, I have, I've, I've talked enough about Simone Biles, the controversy, her,
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the stance that she initially took, the apology that she issued that I, I mean, pretty graciously
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accepted, you know, of course her personal attacks, whatever.
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I don't take any personal offense to that, you know, whatever.
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But her SB speech, which again, she won two awards.
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One of those awards for being, you know, best female athlete, which of course is the most,
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I would say this is one of the most prestigious awards to win for, for an athlete to win for
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a female athlete in the case of the women's category.
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So, uh, look, this is not to, to say that she has not had an illustrious career.
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Of course, her accolades, they speak for themselves, but I want to play this one clip first.
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If you think she's taking a quick jab at the recent controversy or if she actually recognizes
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the differences between men and women, let's watch it.
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Well, that was very unexpected, especially in a category of all men.
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This award was for championship, uh, or, or championship performance, best championship
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And she was the lone woman and she was, went on to win this award.
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She gets up there, obviously makes the comment that she made.
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What an honor to win this, you know, what a surprise it is to win this in a category full
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Was this a good question, a jab at the recent controversy that that's, I think initially
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where my mind went, or maybe this was authentic and genuine.
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And she recognizes the, the very real biological, physical, anatomical differences between men
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I hadn't watched any of the, uh, of the SBs or any of it, um,
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I think it might be like run of the mill, you go girl feminism.
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Like I won in a category that was populated by all men.
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That's, that's how I took it too, which again, I think plays well into the second clip that
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I'm going to show you on the back half of her speech.
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Let's play that really quick for all the young, aspiring athletes, coaches, trainers, doctors,
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mental health professionals, or whatever path you may choose in life.
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I encourage you to follow your heart, pursue your dreams and believe in yourself every step
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I believe in the power of sport, the power of us, and of course, the power of she.
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And of course, the power of she, unless those she's want to compete against only other she's,
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So I think it's kind of corny to get a commercial tagline into a speech.
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I think, you know, for many years, we did see Simone using her own voice.
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And now I feel like she's scripted and PR managed to death and we've lost any authenticity.
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There was no original thought in there, which isn't to say I don't think she has original
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But as happens oftentimes with people as their star rises and they get very, very famous and
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they get very overly managed, they can lose touch with themselves and what they think.
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Again, not to bring up any of the qualms on social media that she went through.
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But it read similar to the apology that she issued, which was very, again, that I accepted,
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of course, felt very scripted, half-hearted, very chat GPT-esque.
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But I think the irony in saying you believe in the power of she, again, all while coming
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out very venomously against women for defending other women.
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I have always, like you, been a strong defender.
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What she has achieved in that sport, I think non-gymnasts, even though they appreciate what
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she's done, I don't think unless you have done the sport and understand the sport, understand
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how much better she is than every single other person in the world.
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Like, how many years it is going to take for anyone to catch up to doing what she has done,
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how she broke barriers just from an age perspective.
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You know, she took years, two years off and came back to win the Olympics.
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Gymnastics, when I was doing it, you were thought to be done at 17.
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I was 17 and everybody called me mom on the national team at 17 because I was old.
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That's made the sport safer because you're not then trying to jam it all into four years
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and you're not training on injuries in the same way.
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I think her contributions to putting Larry Nassar away, I don't want to be too mean about
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this, but those contributions were nil because she didn't actually come forward until after
00:34:30.040
And it can take a very long time to reconcile what happened when you've been abused.
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Look, I didn't write my book until 20 years after I left the sport, which exposed abuse
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She gets credit for a ton in gymnastics and I respect her as an athlete.
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And she needs to throw the shackles of her handlers off and, you know, stop worrying about
00:34:57.460
Just say what you think and stand up for women and girls.
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Some people think that, you know, maybe it is the response that Simone Biles received following
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that interaction that we had, or maybe Nike's ad, or maybe the fact that President Trump
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is back in the Oval Office that, that we don't really need companies like XXXY Athletics anymore.
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And it is kind of cool to say that men can't become women.
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That we don't need companies like, like yours anymore?
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So even if this issue of males and women's sports gets solved, we'll be right here platforming
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and championing female athletes and doing it in an honest and non-hypocritical way.
00:35:57.040
Um, because Nike certainly isn't, and Fletta certainly isn't, um, Lulu.
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Well, you know, none of the brands that claim to champion women really, really are.
00:36:07.900
And you know, you know me well, Riley, I've been standing up for female athletes to train
00:36:16.860
So, you know, I think there is a need for a brand that is not hypocritical and that really
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I also think despite the progress made, we should not be complacent.
00:36:30.780
Um, you look Gavin Newsom, just a couple months after saying it's not fair for boys to compete
00:36:35.640
in girls sports, sued the federal government to allow boys to compete in girls sports in
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Like the activists do have a stranglehold in basically half the States.
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And I think this, you know, these toxic ideas are deeply embedded in the culture.
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And I think if you think about how long it took for them to really take hold and be embedded,
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Um, it's going to take time to unwind it and there can be laws on the book.
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There can be legislation, but if the culture doesn't change, it's going to continue happening.
00:37:12.420
There is a law on the books to protect female athletes and male athletes from abuse.
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And yet safe sport is four to five years behind on abuse cases.
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So the law doesn't change the culture, unfortunately.
00:37:26.740
And so I think, um, I think we are going to need to still be out here speaking up and bringing
00:37:38.060
And even those agencies like safe sport, again, who this was created to ensure the protection
00:37:45.240
of athletes, both male and female athletes to, to the point that you made, uh, this again
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is, has become hijacked, uh, to allow for the very things that at one point they were
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supposed to be preventing, supposed to be protecting their athletes from.
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Um, so many, many, many failures institutionally across the board.
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Uh, we need more people wearing the product, uh, willing to do it again, very proudly, which
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And for that, of course, uh, and I say, of course, because I think it's to be expected.
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You, you may, I mean, you, you certainly will, uh, get faces or, uh, receive backlash on social
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Uh, no one talks about the, the winks of support or the whispers of, you know, I love that shirt,
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uh, which those whispers are, they're getting louder every single day.
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And I think that's a large part to thank people, um, and companies like yours.
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So thank you for making it cool again to say that women are women.
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The whispers are getting louder and they're more overt thumbs up.
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And my husband wears the product more than I do.
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We were just at a cycle time, um, in Oklahoma city.
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And while you would expect most people in Oklahoma city to agree, and they do, there were people
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from all over the country and the number of people that came up to him and literally gave
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a thumbs up, um, I was just recently in Nashville.
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Um, I can't remember what shirt I was wearing, some shirt of ours.
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And there was this woman glaring at me in the line, a younger woman.
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And I was like, Oh gosh, I'm going to get the what for.
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And at the end she pulled me over and she hugged me to say, I love your shirt.
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So yes, you'll get some side eye and yes, you'll get some made comments, but you'll also
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provide the permission structure for somebody else to stand up and say what they already
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Again, everyone can go check out xxxyathletics.com or the truth fits.com.
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Anything else that people can look forward to outside of this collection?
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Well, I think, you know, we're going to, we've got a lot of new, uh, product dropping for
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Uh, you have some more fun stuff coming, which I'm not going to totally, um, reveal here,
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but I think that you and I both share a, uh, a passion for mentorship and we both understand
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how the transition from being a competitive athlete to being like a regular person can
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And so look for more to come on, on those subjects from, from us and the brand and from you.
00:41:11.380
Uh, I'm super excited about that because I, I mean, for me, you're, you're young.
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So I would have considered myself still, I hate to use the word transitioning, um, making
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I didn't really, and I didn't, you know, what I found is I didn't really know how to make
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You have people who help you in school and tutors and, and every resource you could possibly
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need, which I certainly took for granted at the time, but you're right.
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And then you're like, I have to, I mean, pick my, I have to get a job.
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I just had coaches telling me not to eat anything.
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I mean, I just literally, I know this sounds so dumb, but like figuring out what to eat
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and what role I wanted fitness to play in my life and what kind of job I wanted when I
00:42:20.600
sort of spent all my energy, um, to become a gymnastic champion.
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And then I had to figure out who I was outside of that.
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So, um, like I said, we're here to uplift female athletes and support them.
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So you and I are working on a program that's going to help with that move from being an athlete
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