Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - March 06, 2024


Bruce Blakeman's Executive Order Banning Males from Competing Against Females in Sports

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Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman is the County Executive of Nassau County in New York and he has been all over the news recently due to his decisive action to sign an executive order at the end of February last month that would ban males, right, left, and men from competing against females.

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00:00:30.000 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast.
00:00:39.240 Today's guest is Executive Bruce Blakeman.
00:00:42.620 He is the county executive of Nassau County in New York, and he has been all over the news recently due to his decisive action to sign an executive order at the end of February last month
00:00:53.860 that would ban males, right, boys, and men from competing against females. 0.96
00:01:00.780 Girls and women.
00:01:02.560 Seems simple enough, but as you can imagine, given that he went through with this in a blue state like New York,
00:01:08.660 he's been under some pretty intense scrutiny.
00:01:11.060 From the ACLU, from the New York Civil Liberties Union, from the governor, and of course, from Attorney General Letitia James.
00:01:18.940 But I applaud him, as do all other sane Americans who acknowledge that this is merely about fairness and standing up for objective truth,
00:01:28.180 which I can't believe that we have to applaud saying something so basic.
00:01:32.360 But the risk and the threats are real, and I know that it's no easy feat.
00:01:37.460 So I certainly do applaud Executive Bruce Blakeman.
00:01:40.980 Check out our interview here.
00:01:42.200 Welcome to the show.
00:01:45.040 I am so excited to talk to you.
00:01:47.140 I've been so excited to talk to you.
00:01:48.600 So thank you for joining.
00:01:51.120 Bruce, at first it was, you know, this isn't happening here.
00:01:53.920 And then it seemed like it went to, okay, well, it is happening here, but it's on a very small scale and not that many girls are affected.
00:02:01.460 And now it seems to be, okay, well, it is happening.
00:02:05.260 It is more than one instance.
00:02:07.220 But feelings and identity are more important than winning.
00:02:10.340 Or even some people I've seen say there are no proven physical differences between men and women anyways.
00:02:17.020 But you and I, of course, we both know that that's not true.
00:02:20.120 So I can list off probably about 100 examples of this happening in your neck of the woods at all levels.
00:02:27.420 If we're just looking at college, for example, just this past week, I found out about a male rower rowing on the women's team at Ithaca College.
00:02:35.680 Sadie Schreiner has gained national attention recently for becoming the regional meat record holder and now qualifying for NCAA championships at RIT in Rochester,
00:02:45.480 displacing multiple women in the process.
00:02:48.600 So really all of that to say that it is happening, which is why we're so grateful for you and your leadership and willingness to defend not only the opportunities of female athletes, but also the safety.
00:03:00.580 So I kind of just wanted to get your perspective.
00:03:02.800 You know, what was your thought process for signing your executive order?
00:03:06.500 And tell us exactly what it would do.
00:03:08.000 Well, first of all, let me just say thank you for your advocacy and your courage, Riley, because if it wasn't for you and people like you, women and girls around the country, they would get away with this.
00:03:21.800 This is nothing more than bullying of girls and women. 0.98
00:03:25.520 I don't know why biological males who identify themselves as transgender females feel the necessity that they have to compete against girls and women when they're bigger, stronger and faster, typically. 0.86
00:03:39.960 And they're using locker rooms that are supposed to be for girls and women, which creates an unsafe atmosphere and an insecure atmosphere.
00:03:50.300 And there's the element of fairness and a level playing field.
00:03:53.840 Women have been fighting for decades for their rights, for fairness in all things, but especially in sports. 1.00
00:03:59.940 And they are protected under the Constitution of the United States.
00:04:04.540 And this is an assault on women and girls.
00:04:07.760 And I felt that it was unfair.
00:04:10.220 I felt that it was a safety issue in my county.
00:04:12.620 And I wanted to be very clear to the leagues and teams in Nassau County that if you advertise yourself or you identify yourself as an all-girls team, an all-woman's team,
00:04:23.260 that you would not be able to use our facilities here in the county unless you excluded biological males. 0.97
00:04:31.580 And by the way, this is not anti-transgender.
00:04:35.900 We welcome all people of every lifestyle in Nassau County.
00:04:41.220 Transgender biological males have the ability and their permission to compete in all male teams and leagues or co-ed teams and leagues.
00:04:52.100 Or if they want to form a transgender biological male league or team, they're welcome to do so.
00:04:59.280 We're happy to have them.
00:05:00.980 But to compete against women is unfair and it's unsafe. 1.00
00:05:05.780 Boom.
00:05:06.840 I watched your press conference and that was what I noticed, right, is all you're really doing here is calling for transparency, which I love.
00:05:15.660 I think that's an incredibly effective way and really how a lot of us feel.
00:05:19.840 We just want transparency.
00:05:21.080 If you are advertised as an all-women's team, you're only for women.
00:05:25.280 If you want to create a trans team, I guess, or co-ed teams, for example, you don't want to prevent that.
00:05:33.920 Of course not.
00:05:35.000 But calling for transparency, which I think is incredible.
00:05:37.760 And again, very effective messaging.
00:05:40.240 But let me read to you, which I know you've seen this.
00:05:43.120 We saw a statement this past week after your executive order from Letitia James, Attorney General of New York.
00:05:52.700 And the statement says,
00:05:53.780 I thought your response, just what you just said, like, look, this isn't anti-trans.
00:06:19.480 It really is pro-woman, it's pro-fairness, it's pro-reality, it's pro-common sense.
00:06:25.040 But she uses the phrase of marginalized communities.
00:06:30.340 But do you think someone like Letitia James is forgetting that just 50 short years ago, before 52, I guess, before Title IX was implemented, that women have historically been a marginalized community?
00:06:42.480 And what we're seeing now is males trample on our rights. 1.00
00:06:48.580 Yeah, you're absolutely right.
00:06:50.320 Under the Constitution of the United States and all the federal legislation in the last 50 years, women are a protected class. 0.99
00:06:58.680 And basically, our Attorney General has a responsibility and obligation to protect women and girls.
00:07:06.200 And we don't think she's living up to her responsibilities.
00:07:09.220 I believe that I have a responsibility and obligation to follow the law and follow the Constitution.
00:07:15.260 And I believe I'm doing so.
00:07:16.720 So I'm being threatened with a lawsuit by or other nefarious things that the Attorney General will do to me in Nassau County if we continue this policy.
00:07:28.220 But I will have a formal written response for the Attorney General this week within the time frame that she set forth in her letter.
00:07:36.060 And it will articulate our position.
00:07:38.220 And I would hope that the Attorney General has an open mind and realizes that basically, according to the Constitution and the law, and just common sense, that she would back our executive order and realize there's nothing transphobic about it.
00:07:53.640 You know, it's interesting.
00:07:55.560 People who believe in God know that there is a biological difference between males and females.
00:08:02.320 People who don't believe in God and believe in science, they know, too, that there's a biological difference between males and females.
00:08:11.720 So it's unanimous.
00:08:13.160 There is a difference between males and females when it comes to physical anatomy and biology.
00:08:19.600 And basically, it's a situation where we recognize that males are bigger, stronger, and faster, typically, and that that's why we have women in a classification, which is an approved classification.
00:08:33.500 It's a federalized classification, as you said, under Title IX, that allows them to compete fairly amongst each others.
00:08:41.640 And let me say something about these transgender males, these biological males who are transgender females. 0.97
00:08:48.460 Shame on you. 0.99
00:08:49.780 You're bullied.
00:08:51.140 There are other outlets for you to compete in sports.
00:08:54.080 Shame on you.
00:08:55.240 Could not agree more.
00:08:56.240 And not to mention, look, I don't want to dilute the complexity of gender dysphoria or what that really entails, but the systems that we have in place and the systems that Letitia James, attorney general, are advocating for would leave it up to men, opportunistic men, to totally take advantage of these systems, right?
00:09:21.260 What man wouldn't want to have the opportunity to win a national title all while going in the women's locker room in the process? 1.00
00:09:30.200 And like you said, this really is a winning issue.
00:09:33.480 Every poll consistently shows it.
00:09:35.460 Well, it's also an economic issue because it's an economic issue for women, and it's a fairness issue for women. 1.00
00:09:44.940 So basically, to play in a professional sport or to get a college scholarship, this is something where women, if they compete against each other, it's fair, and they both have an equal opportunity to get a college scholarship or to compete on a professional level. 0.98
00:10:04.760 But by a biological male injecting themselves onto one of those teams, they're going to take women's scholarships away. 0.89
00:10:13.900 They're going to take positions on professional teams away from women. 1.00
00:10:16.780 And all of the opportunity, all of the equality, all of the economic gains that women have been making in sports, I think, are in jeopardy.
00:10:26.820 I totally agree.
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00:10:49.640 Your EO, it doesn't require legislative approval, meaning it's in effect now.
00:10:54.540 But like you said, that doesn't mean it can't be legally challenged.
00:10:58.420 And someone like Letitia James, who threatens decisive legal action, is likely to go through with it. 1.00
00:11:04.200 As of recently, I saw she was one of, I think, 18 attorney generals to sign on in opposition of the cake shop.
00:11:11.060 I think it's called Masterpiece Cake Shop in Colorado.
00:11:14.400 The owner's decision to deny service and make a cake that would celebrate a male's transition to identifying as a woman.
00:11:22.180 Everyone, of course, has seen how hard she has come after President Trump as well.
00:11:28.860 And you mentioned she has now sent you a cease and desist.
00:11:33.440 But if I'm not mistaken, you were an attorney as well.
00:11:37.240 Are there any legal grounds for her action?
00:11:40.680 Are you nervous with the district court that you're in specifically?
00:11:44.640 And will you abide by her cease and desist?
00:11:48.660 Well, again, we still have the lawyers working on a formal written response to the attorney general.
00:11:54.580 I think that's the appropriate way to address it so that we are able to set forth and articulate the rationale and reasons for the executive order,
00:12:03.520 which we believe are legal and constitutional.
00:12:06.000 But, again, if this ends up in court, then basically a judge will make a determination.
00:12:15.120 And we are a law-abiding county, and I believe in the rule of law.
00:12:20.560 We will abide by what a judge says.
00:12:22.340 Right now, I'm pretty confident that if it comes up to judicial review, that the courts will side with our executive order because we believe it's constitutional.
00:12:36.280 We actually believe we're supporting the Constitution and the federal laws that are in place.
00:12:40.440 We have not seen a Title IX case or something of the sort make it all the way to the Supreme Court, which, of course, is unfortunate.
00:12:48.980 Any case of this caliber would have to make it to that level.
00:12:52.560 But I agree in saying that I believe that the Supreme Court would certainly rule in favor of the Constitution and of common sense and truth.
00:13:01.560 So many people act out of fear of not wanting to get sued, like the NCAA, like the IOC, like a lot of these states, even a lot of Republican members of different state legislatures.
00:13:15.820 They don't want to be sued.
00:13:17.400 So why do you think it is that people aren't considering the fact that a lawsuit can certainly both go or go both ways?
00:13:25.640 For example, right, let's say in the state of New York, outside of your county, there's a girl in middle school or high school, a basketball game or volleyball game or hockey game, and she's seriously injured by a man.
00:13:38.120 In this scenario, would she not have every right to sue?
00:13:42.440 Because it doesn't seem people are considering it going this way.
00:13:46.480 Well, yeah.
00:13:46.900 Listen, it's a two-way street.
00:13:48.520 You can sue or be sued.
00:13:50.640 And the fact of the matter is that people have rights.
00:13:54.580 When I took office as county executive, you know, we're a large county.
00:13:58.340 We're larger than 10 states in population.
00:14:00.540 We have almost 1.5 million people.
00:14:02.900 We're an economic powerhouse.
00:14:04.600 Our gross domestic product is larger than 144 nations in the United Nations.
00:14:08.920 So when we stand up for something, it means something.
00:14:11.820 And when I raised my hand and put my hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States, I took that oath seriously.
00:14:20.680 And I believe that what I'm doing is constitutional.
00:14:25.000 And I believe what the other side is doing is unconstitutional and illegal under federal law.
00:14:32.580 So, again, this may have to play out in the courts.
00:14:36.360 Hey, I wish Letitia James would give me a call today and say, let's sit down and work this out and see if we can come up with something reasonable.
00:14:43.260 But to call me a transphobic when that's completely false, to say that this is something that we're doing to support some national political agenda.
00:14:55.000 I've heard from more Democrats in the last couple of weeks in support of what we're doing here than I've ever heard on any subject.
00:15:05.640 If you are a woman, if you're a mom, if you're a dad, this is something that's near and dear to you.
00:15:12.680 And, again, it's common sense.
00:15:15.440 What they're trying to do on the other side of this issue is just bizarre.
00:15:19.700 Totally. And I agree.
00:15:21.820 There has been a ton of support and encouragement and gratitude from people who would consider themselves lifelong liberals who probably voted for people like your governor or for President Biden.
00:15:36.120 Why do you think that others in your same position who feel the same way that you do and I do, why do you feel these people are silent?
00:15:45.220 Well, unfortunately, I think there's a tremendous lack of courage in this country because the folks on the other side of the political equation that are pushing a far left, progressive, socialist, woke agenda are vicious.
00:16:03.420 They're nasty people and they don't want to have civil discourse and debate on public policy. 0.88
00:16:11.040 They just want to destroy people. And you know what? I didn't take this job to play it safe. 0.98
00:16:16.880 I took this job to do the right thing, uphold the Constitution, make sure that our laws are adhered to and to protect people who are vulnerable.
00:16:26.200 And if they're going to attack me for that, so be it.
00:16:30.280 I'll I'll be more than happy to deal with whatever consequences may come down the road because I think I'm doing the right thing.
00:16:37.640 I sleep very well at night.
00:16:39.160 That's called having a backbone and a moral compass, which you're right, is something that is certainly lacking in this nation.
00:16:47.680 Really, I would say globally.
00:16:49.900 What's next for you and how can we help support you and what you're doing?
00:16:54.840 Well, we'll have to see how this plays out.
00:16:57.820 We're I'm hoping to get a draft of our written response from our lawyers within the next day.
00:17:03.280 Maybe it'll take two days.
00:17:05.540 I think we have till Friday to respond to the attorney general.
00:17:10.200 And again, I think we need to put forth a well-reasoned, articulate legal argument for what we did.
00:17:18.560 And I believe that we do have that argument.
00:17:20.420 And we want to make sure that we are very clear in our message that this is to protect women and girls and and to protect women's sports and women's athletics and that this is not anything that is transphobic or or anti transgender.
00:17:40.680 You know, again, in Nassau County, we love all people of all lifestyles.
00:17:45.320 I don't want to get into people's personal business, but it's those bullies that are making it a public business right now.
00:17:53.360 And if I think they're wrong, I'm going to stand out.
00:17:56.300 I don't like bullies.
00:17:57.280 And I think this is bullying of women and girls.
00:17:59.180 And I'm not I'm not going to stand on the sidelines and be silent.
00:18:02.220 I think bullies is a perfect way to describe this.
00:18:05.920 We will certainly help amplify your response when it is made public.
00:18:10.320 Again, we could not be more grateful for you and your team and your leadership, especially in the environment to which you're in in New York and one of the largest counties.
00:18:20.180 It's incredibly commendable.
00:18:23.840 So we're very grateful for you and thank you for coming on the show.
00:18:27.220 And thank you, Riley, for all you're doing.
00:18:29.260 It really means a lot.
00:18:30.360 The girls and the women I talk to are they're behind you a thousand percent. 1.00
00:18:35.020 You are a true role model.
00:18:36.280 Thank you.
00:18:37.060 It is not anti-trans to be pro-woman.
00:18:40.320 And if that's really the logic, then wouldn't being pro-trans inherently be anti-woman?
00:18:46.960 Couldn't I be more grateful for Bruce Blakeman and his leadership and his courage?
00:18:52.340 Make sure you follow along what he's doing.
00:18:55.540 Amplify his message when and where you can, because, again, he is under some pretty intense and fierce.
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