Can Common Sense Make Its Way Back to Politics?
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Nicole Shanahan is the running mate of independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is running for president as an independent. She is an attorney, an entrepreneur, a lifelong California resident, and a lifelong Democratic Party voter.
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hey everybody welcome back to the gains for girls podcast today's guest is the running mate of
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independent presidential candidate robert f kennedy jr that's right we're talking to nicole
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shanahan his vice presidential pick super excited for this conversation nicole's an attorney she's
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entrepreneur she's a lifelong californian she's young which is certainly a unique element to bring
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to the political sphere uh this conversation follows the conversation that sage steel had with
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both rfk and nicole in separate conversations sage has been on the gains for girls podcast i encourage
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you to go watch that episode she is a role model of mine for a variety of reasons but i thought what
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she did in her podcast um the sage steel show was just incredible she talked to rfk she asked him
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his stance on abortion uh he said he had no problem with a woman carrying nine months the full term
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deciding that last day uh that she wanted to abort her child he had no problem with that uh which this
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this clip of him saying this went went viral understandably but then sage steel interviewed
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nicole the same guest we have on the podcast today and asked her her stance or what she thought of rfk's
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response when asked this question uh which i think in a sense contradicted what rfk said i encourage
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everyone to go watch this but again couldn't be more excited for mine and nicole's conversation today
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of course we will get into all things women's sports we will talk about the issues of gender affirming
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care we will talk about big tech we will talk about what's going on on college campuses lots of
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great stuff ahead so check out the interview here with nicole shanahan nicole thank you so much for
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joining the gains for girls podcast uh i was just telling you off camera i could not be more honored
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and grateful to have you on uh but i wanted you to take the opportunity to give a little background
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on yourself and how you and robert f kennedy got connected in the first place it's true thing well
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riley first of all it's an honor to be chatting with you your leadership in this moment right now
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is so important and i'm such a fan of yours i am in awe of your bravery and and i am fully behind you
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in this journey um so how i met bobby all right bobby um kennedy is running for president as an
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independent and i first heard about him about a year ago i am a mother to a daughter impacted by
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chronic disease and like all moms in this situation i've been looking for a way to help my kid out
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um trying to understand what's been going on with her and how it came to be um that this baby girl
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that i gave birth to um who was healthy uh all of a sudden started having all these very serious health
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issues and um i have been aligned with researchers scientists i i run a foundation that invests in
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scientific um research predominantly in women's health and reproductive um issues uh i i don't fund
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um artificial um reproductive support but i do fund trying to understand how to get healthy women
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healthier how to help women overcome chronic disease and so i had been in this space and i i had
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heard about bobby's work as an attorney um oftentimes defending a lot of mothers and parents and families of
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children impacted um by adverse reactions to pharmaceutical products and um i'm a lifelong democrat here in
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california it's uh it was something that always intrigued me was this idea of participating in the
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political process um but to be honest with you the last uh eight years i've grown increasingly tired
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with our two-party system increasingly tired with the democratic party that i had given so much to
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over the years and i just i could not in my right mind continue to support this group of people and
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and and the elitism within the party um and and just the disrespect of young voices i i just was i couldn't i just
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couldn't handle um the the incredible lack of integrity within the party and so i was looking for a new
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political home um and i saw bobby kennedy running on the democratic primary and i got behind him because
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i believe that this was an individual who really cared about the american family the american mother
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and the american child and uh he had showed he's been showing up for the american public for generations
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i i mean two generations now you know he's he's 70 years old and he's been at this for um the majority
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of his career over 40 years i mean that's that is something that i find to be worthy of a lot of
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support and respect in this moment and uh i when he decided to run as an independent i was naturally
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very concerned we've never had an independent uh successful independent presidential candidate
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ever in american history so this would be the first one and i i actually believe more every
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single day that this is going to be our first independent presidential candidate uh that will be
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successful uh in november's election so i've thrown the entirety of of you know what i can do behind
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him and when he uh asked me to be his running mate i i was very humbled i um was nervous but i i was very
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proud to say yes very very proud to say yes because um there's there's an opportunity here in this moment
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to bring new voice to leadership that isn't conflicted out by some corporate interest uh that that really
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understands what it means to be um in america today it's different than it was 30 years ago
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um the issues for example what you've dealt with riley this is new our parents generation didn't have to
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deal with this um and so we need young voices in the white house right now guiding us through this
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moment and and i'm happy to speak on behalf of millennials um and of gen z um and of gen alpha
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of course i know they just keep coming huh um but you definitely offer that unique uniqueness in the
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political sphere as a whole and being young and listening to you uh kind of speak to almost i mean of
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course the polarization that we see across the country uh speaking to how the left seemingly left
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you again given the fact that you're a young woman it reminds me of tulsi gabbard who has just been
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uh a fierce and phenomenal leader uh whether you agree with her or not i mean it doesn't matter she's
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she's really been just a a phenomenal leader which is something that we need more of in this country
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uh and you you mentioned the sports stuff uh what has um gone on again in the divisive nature that
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it has where it's it's almost entirely fallen on party lines of allowing males into women's sports
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women's locker rooms of course we just saw the administration in the white house right now uh rewrite
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title nine the federal civil rights law that prevents sex-based discrimination on educational
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programs that receive federal funding which is in total contrast to what president trump has said uh
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what he has said he will do if he gets into the white house on day one and essentially reversing course
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of this uh what does this look like from you know from the presidential standpoint of what you and
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kennedy would do in the white house okay there there's i i want to approach this as as a woman who
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did play high school varsity sports i um competed in cross country and softball um i coached swimming
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actually for a summer league in oakland and and i competed um in college not at your level riley but
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i did compete um in in college uh cross country at my university we were division four but you know
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nonetheless it it it gave me some insight into the the incredible amount um of responsibility student
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athletes take on it is an enormous responsibility to juggle what is a you know is essentially a near
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professional level um expectation for competition and as well as coursework um being a college student
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which is getting harder and harder every day the demands are harder and harder on college students
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um and so i i think that we need to understand before we start throwing around um you know these
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massive changes that just really fundamentally restructure how we think about these sports we need
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to remember our athletes and who they are as people and the journeys they have been on since they were
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little little little kids since you were a little girl you were working your butt off and you dreamed
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of competing at that level and you worked and you gave your all and those dreams are what make
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everything we endeavor in our passions powerful um to overcome our limits to set new personal records
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and so i want to i want to always highlight that before we get into you know what the president ought to be
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doing um when you were competing against uh someone who was born male that that was once a little boy
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who was swimming and dreaming of being a famous swimmer and and and there's a reason why from a young young
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age little girls compete against little girls and little boys compete against little boys because
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there's a gen there's a biological fundamental difference and and that is something that we accept as
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as as a norm because these are immutable unchangeable differences in there and they're sacred
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differences too these are sacred sacred differences and we respect those differences and so how did we
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become such a misguided nation that we've arrived to this moment where you know if you're in college or
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after that point we can somehow shift that narrative with such arbitrary thoughtless carelessness
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doesn't make any sense so what's actually going on what is actually going on that there are now so many
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young people confused about who they are what is going on that parents are capitulating to children
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who are fearful of puberty i mean let's be honest most of us are fearful of puberty i was fearful of going
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through puberty i i i remember that right i i think most of us women were just like of course this is
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really you know like i've got breast coming in yeah it's an uncomfortable time you know to be 13 14
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years old in middle school nonetheless it would be weird if you felt right in your body at that point in
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time yes it and it is completely the norm to feel uncomfortable about puberty i would say safely that
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a hundred percent of us feel uncomfortable doing during puberty and so the fact that we have doctors
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or that we are normalizing um you know addressing that with puberty blockers is a form of absurdity to
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me and bobby and bobby feels this way too now that he's he had a chance to really dig into it and and
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we're i think we all have to just remember how we felt when we were 13 and um you know the answer is not
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blocking puberty i mean how that is that is a form of of absolute disgrace the the answer
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is helping our young people understand what's going what they're going through and that is very very
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natural to to you know question and explore that but but a child cannot consent their brains aren't
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developed you know our our prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed our prefrontal cortex which has
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executive executive executive executive executive control of the rest of our brain does not fully
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develop until our early 20s right so to allow someone to to even a child who doesn't really even
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fundamentally understand puberty itself to then be able to consent to understanding what a puberty
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blocker is biologically and and then a parent or a doctor who is taking that at face value and
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prescribing puberty blockers i mean that is gross negligence um it's gross negligence in parenting and
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it's gross negligence um from the medical profession so you know i think we need to address that um
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and that that then fixes a lot of the upstream issues i mean what they've done with title nine
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is a weird messed up form of virtue signaling that that has the opposite effect um and and it has no
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place it has absolutely no place um in in america
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i'm happy to hear you say and really be so firm on all fronts um kennedy you know he went from saying
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that the parents should ultimately have the final say and approval to these treatments including
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puberty blockers and hormone therapy to ultimately then kind of reversing course as you mentioned having
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dug into the topic a little bit more i'm sure hearing from those around him people who have been
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impacted i think more importantly by this movement to saying um as you've communicated this is something
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that should be reserved for individuals who are adults and so you mentioned digging into this i mean
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what did that look like from y'all's perspective um and to speak to to again what president trump has
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vowed to do vowing to use um the full power of the executive branch and revoking president biden's
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what he calls cruel policies and child abuse uh on so-called gender affirming care um again what is
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what does this look like um under the rfk campaign i you know certainly there's a power in the executive
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office this should have never been an issue of biden's to take on it was incredibly misguided
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um we have to look at medical professionals and and allowing all medical professionals to figure
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out what is proper in this instance i mean these are medical professionals that should be trained in
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childhood development who should know that it is incredibly reckless um to be first it's just it's
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even hard to say but but to be describing puberty blockers to children when they are going through
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and we all go through identity crisis in middle school my um my aunt used to call it the awkward
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year she would say you remember when you were in your awkward years it is awkward for a hundred
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person there is we've all been there and we're the medical profession to be ignoring something so
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fundamental um to childhood development is is the biggest problem and so you know for trump i i commend
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trump for taking a stand on this um bobby as well um is taking a stand on this very publicly now and you
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know certainly the executive office is a place that we need to course correct for what biden has done
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um and so whoever is in in the white house next year whether it be um bobby or trump uh you know there
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is a guarantee that there will be a course correction of what i view as blatant executive office overreach
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in this situation um biden is not a doctor he is not um working with uh childhood development experts on
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this and you know it's it it's it's a disgrace it's a disgrace that it's been turned into
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a political issue um and you know riley the thing that i think is important for american politics to return
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to is is really understanding um how much is being corrupted in our political process for pandering to
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populations for votes and um and and a willingness to throw out common sense in those moments and we
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cannot keep throwing out our common sense to pander um to an election process we've got to remember
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common sense has always got to come before party common sense has always got to come um before you know
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an election year it has to be the thing that needs to come first in an election year not second or last
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or something that we'll fix once we're in office um and uh not nothing about this speaks to logic
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um nothing about this speaks to reasonableness um in the sense of you know just we have
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there are a multitude of ways to address this um and and biden stepping out there and and taking
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executive power and and doing what he did and and you know trump's response is it makes sense is
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meeting it head on but i think bobby's response is you know let's actually get to the root of the issue
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here um that's what this campaign's all about we got to get to the root of the issue and figure out
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what is going on um with these kids at a young age and what is going on with the medical profession
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right and that's that's we're going to spend all of our time well that's amazing that's good news to
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hear and i think something that uh certainly the overwhelming majority of common sense americans who
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intuitively know that men and women are different uh common sense americans who who understand their
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their children are their children they do not belong to the government i think a lot of people will be
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happy to hear that i wanted to get your perspective on what's going on on these college campuses uh we
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have seen this this i mean seemingly a revolution on college campuses break out because of what's going
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on in the middle east uh we saw just recently where columbia canceled their their college
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graduation i mean these are students who uh i mean they delayed gratification they they stayed up late
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they woke up early uh they created friendships and and personal relationships that will serve them for
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the rest of their lives and ultimately for their university to come back and deny them of the proper and
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adequate celebration and recognition uh that being college graduation and so i kind of just wanted to
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ask you you know what would you do if you were the president of columbia in this scenario it's a real
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shame what's been going on across college campuses and if it was all organic within these student
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movements it wouldn't look like this this is not an organic student movement by any measure um there's
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coordination i saw this happen with blm you know i saw very very well-intentioned people i've been
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working in criminal justice reform working with all these community organizations and all of a sudden
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blm explodes into this national movement and and and i've worked with community organizers there is no
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single community organization in the united states that can move with that level of sophistication so
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there are other players here there is undoubtedly other players here the same thing is happening
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um on college campuses you know i'll tell you my my little campus university of puget sound doesn't have
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this going on this is only happening at the most elite institutions um so they are intentionally being
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targeted and they are intentionally being politicized um you know riley i a hundred percent have i i i am a
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protester so i'm an activist when i was in high school i led a walkout of my school and a peaceful protest
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to protest the um war in iraq i was a uh junior in high school when 9-11 happened and i was devastated for
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our country and i mourned our country um with everyone in the nation was mourning and then when i saw the
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movement to go into iraq um i was devastated as well and i started the mourning as well um and i led a
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i did the pamphlets i led a peaceful protest we were in partnership with the school um we walked
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two miles to our local radio station and we gave interviews and we had signs and you know this this is
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this is what a protest in america is supposed to look like what is going on on these college
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campuses is not that it's it's a far cry from that and to make it to escalate the message of war
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between muslims and jews is the wrong course of action right now i think that um the i i've i've seen
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one uh head of school make a very powerful statement and and give students every opportunity
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to side with peaceful protest and said anyone who is not peaceful protesting will be expelled um and
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and that is fair that is a very very fair approach to this welcome peaceful protest and expel those that
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are are are are are are not able to understand fundamentally what is expected of them as a
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as a student of this institution you know as a student um and i feel this way of you know being
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a child of an immigrant but we have a very high responsibility to act in in peace and partnership
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with our fellow students um and and as an immigrant we have a responsibility to act in peaceful relationship
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peaceful and productive relationship with our fellow countrymen and and we are a nation of immigrants
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it is our responsibility to remember the immigrants that came before us and how they handled these moments
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in american history there is no excuse for bringing anything other than that into this country yeah
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that's again it's it's strong to hear my husband uh he's an immigrant he came over from from europe from
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england um and it's been a struggle for him you know as a hard-working honest man who loves america he
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loves this country but even given the fact that we've been married uh two years this month
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uh he still doesn't have his green card so it's it's of course you know at least speaking to the
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immigration side of things uh what we have seen on that front has has made it harder for people who do
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it the right and honest and ethical way that it should be done uh one thing that i've been uh impressed
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with on on the kennedy campaign is your response to big tech and censorship and so i wanted to ask you
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you know what needs to happen what does the government need to do to make meta or or google stop censoring
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content i guess more so um places like those you know how do they how should they make decisions about
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what to and what not to censor hmm it's uh it's been really disappointing to be in silicon valley and watch
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what's happened to some of these companies here um you know i i was married to the co-founder of google
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we've been separated for over two years um we met in 2014 and you know at the time we met tech was for good
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tech you know google was the thing that helped me you know get out of poverty like it was the thing
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that helped me figure out how to apply to colleges um how to complete research papers when
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i couldn't get a ride to the library um so we have to remember how good tech once was in order for us to
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understand how far we've come right tech today has infiltrated every aspect of our lives um i just spent
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an hour and a half yesterday with an attorney talking about the smith munt act oftentimes called the news
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the state propaganda act because it's it's a billion dollar fund um that goes through an agency called
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the us agm and they're allowed to create media and it doesn't have to be labeled and it can go out all
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over the world including the united states um and it can and pitch ideas on behalf of the government
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um and so and they're using social media you know they're pitching ideas the us agm the government
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is putting out news in social media and it's not being labeled as government-sponsored news
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so you know the role of these tech platforms today is is exceedingly important um and it strikes me that
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many of these platforms have forgotten what the constitution says and what our bill of rights say
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and what our first amendment is all about um it's it's very very troubling that the line between
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government media and private sector media has been so blurred um and you know bobby will say this but
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if you look at what citizens united did and you look at who the big big funders are um of you know the
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democratic party today those big big powerful funders are putting in tens 50 million 60 million dollars
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sometimes over 100 million dollars into a political party and what happens when that when that kind of
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financial relationship occurs is that there becomes this this ranking system of of who gets to call the
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shots within government and who gets the ear of our leadership first um and then the inverse is true
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and and then you have agencies now that are policing these companies and they're making deals with them
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um and and and some of those deals are like well you know you've done all of these things that people are
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upset about but here's here's what we'll do you know we'll try to work something out if you guys agree
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to x y and z and so now you have a this additional blurring that's happening so it's this tug of war this
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this um roulette almost of you know with our with our liberties we're playing we're gambling with
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american liberties so that these huge corporations are able to continue to operate without the government
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imposing restrictions and scrutiny on them and and that that's not the kind of trade we ought to be
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making and and promoting that that's the kind of trade that erodes at the very spirit of this country
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we can't keep making those trades so you know this whole um focus on ending corporate capture
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of our agencies and corporate capture of our political system is what bobby kennedy is is all i'm all about
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that's his primary platform right well again um it's wonderful to hear i know we've we've extended
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our time but i i just wanted to give you again kind of a an opportunity to speak to other issues
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other debates things going on that will be important to to your campaign to to kennedy's campaign
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uh and what will be kind of that first action item if he gets to the white house well there are several
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action items i mean bobby's going to be working on unraveling corporate capture from day one
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um and part of that is going to really impact i believe these issues around title nine certainly
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taking executive action against title nine is important but i think we've got to get to the root cause of
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all of these things and i think once we take big pharma out of treating our children because you
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know they're selling these puberty blockers who's making these puberty blockers pharmaceutical companies
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so you got to follow the money and we're not going to let that we're not going to let that continue
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we it's it is abusive to our children it is abusive to our mothers it is abusive to nature
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um and it it it's not right for these kids i mean now we're hearing from all of these kids who
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are now adults and you know they can't they can't feel anything like they can't connect because they
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literally have been pumped full of chemicals that have made it impossible for them to have these
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beautiful sensory experiences that are just foundational to enjoying being a human and so i think um you know
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riley bobby is going to get in there and we're going to get to the root causes of things we're not going
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to keep you know spitting hate at anyone we're going to follow the money um that's what he's been doing
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his whole career his entire career has been around this he's the most set up for this incredibly arduous
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task he's not going to back down he's had every threat lobbied at him he's not going to stop and you
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know i'm going to be right there making sure he has all the team and support he needs to get it done
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i'm going to be out there you know just speaking on behalf of women mom families you know supporting
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dads who are you know good family men and i'm going to be out there helping you get to the root cause
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of many of these social ills that we are facing today i want to see a healthy america again with clean
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clean food clean soil you know the the food that you and i ate when we were competing again you always
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you compete at a much higher level than me so i don't want to make that comparison but you know the
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the the food that powers young people to be successful in this world i'm going to be working
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on that to make sure that we don't lose any of that in exchange for lab grown crap um that stuff has
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no place um on our family kitchen table in this country so i i really want to to fight um it's
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something that i've been working on uh already um taking a stance against um human engineering
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trans you know i've been taking a stance against the manipulation of people to think that they must
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be reliant on the pharmaceutical company to save them um so so that's what yep that first week is
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going to look like when we get into the white house well those all sound like um important things
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that that need to certainly be addressed and dealt with and so uh couldn't be more grateful for you
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for coming on for um really articulating all of your points um things that matter so so beautifully and so
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well and so uh we will certainly be cheering you on um again it's admirable when you have someone who
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can acknowledge um who i mean who can really just look at something and say hey this isn't right
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um and that's seemingly what what you have done and so we at least speaking for myself i really admire
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that and so thank you it's it's a great privilege and honor to be able to speak with you riley the
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the pleasure has been all mine you are a superstar i am so proud to know you now and i i hope we can
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meet in person at some point soon thank you and good luck i don't know about you guys but a lot of
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her answers surprised me definitely surprised me for the better uh she was very firm i would say on the
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issues that we touched on definitely didn't sound like someone who was uh the vice presidential pick for
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an independent candidate but to be fair a lot of the issues that we touched on were definitely
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common sense issues i hope you guys enjoyed the interview make sure you like and subscribe and
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you moms out there had a wonderful mother's day this past week and we will see you again next week thanks