Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - Clay Travis： Why Trump’s Executive Order Changes Sports Forever ｜ The Riley Gaines Show

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00:00:30.000 unless you've been living under a rock then you know that the ncaa is drowning in problems

00:00:39.760 and time and time again they have managed to land on the wrong side of nearly all of them

00:00:44.760 name image and likeness eligibility rules the transfer portal men and women's sports the list

00:00:49.920 goes longer each and every day and leadership continues to fall short thankfully we have a

00:00:55.260 president who is committed to saving college athletics. He recently signed an executive

00:01:00.040 order. We're going to talk about that, what this looks like. We're going to talk about Megan Rapinoe.

00:01:04.500 We're talking about Gavin Newsom's wife and the liability that she is. And we are talking about

00:01:09.580 TDS, Trump hysteria surrounding what is going on in Iran. All of that with Clay Travis. You don't

00:01:15.240 want to miss it. Listen here. Well, Clay, thanks for joining the Riley Gaines show. Look, you and

00:01:22.320 me, we are kind of like unicorns where we are both Nashville natives. And with that comes being

00:01:29.300 Vanderbilt fan, which has historically been a pretty crummy thing. But this year, especially

00:01:35.500 with both football and basketball, pretty good. I wanted to ask you about something that I saw

00:01:40.560 in the news recently. You giving $10 million to Vanderbilt Law. Talk about that. Well, a lot of

00:01:48.180 that credit goes to my wife uh but uh as many of us out there including your husband louie

00:01:53.400 have been fortunate enough to meet uh women we were in college or law school together i think

00:01:58.940 i told you this before i don't think i've certainly said it on on a show um but uh in 2001

00:02:05.940 were you born yet in 2001 by the way what year were you born one years old all right you were

00:02:13.600 one year old in Nashville. You were a baby in Nashville, basically a toddler. And, uh, I was

00:02:20.260 starting at Vanderbilt law school and, um, we were, uh, setting up intramural teams. And I was one of

00:02:27.740 the, uh, one of the guys in charge of the co-ed softball team. And, uh, we were first year law

00:02:34.580 students. And I went around Riley to all of the prettiest girls in the, in the class, including

00:02:41.900 my wife and recruited them to come play on the co-ed softball team so I met my wife first year

00:02:49.340 law school recruiting co-ed softball players and we were mediocre in terms of Vanderbilt

00:02:57.220 athletics intramural performance but we had a lot of I think we had several marriages that

00:03:02.940 actually came out of that team and one of them was me and my wife Laura and so we went on to

00:03:08.120 graduate from Vanderbilt Law School. We've had a lot of good fortune, thankfully. And I've spent

00:03:13.480 a lot of time thinking about what I can do in addition to what we do for a living to talk about

00:03:18.940 the things that we care about. And one of the things that I really care about is educating

00:03:24.540 good, young, smart lawyers who are going to be committed to the idea that you have to defend

00:03:29.840 all sorts of perspectives, right, left, middle of the road. You just want to be the best,

00:03:34.580 most zealous advocate that you can be. We gave $10 million to the law school for First Amendment

00:03:42.440 principles. My wife wanted to also help people who had children to be able to afford child care

00:03:49.180 while they're getting law degrees. That mattered a lot to her. Also, we wanted to be able to give

00:03:53.880 back to people who have served in the military and are finishing military service by trying to

00:03:59.880 get law degrees, older law school students. So we've endowed scholarships and different support

00:04:08.120 structures that will help all those different aspects of Vanderbilt Law School. And I hope

00:04:13.360 we'll be impactful in creating generations of good lawyers to come. There are good lawyers,

00:04:19.740 despite what people may hear. And I hope that Vanderbilt will be helping to produce more of

00:04:25.320 them than they otherwise would if we hadn't donated this money. So my wife, Laura, deserves

00:04:28.560 a lot of the credit. She drove the bus on getting all the details ironed out, but we're excited to

00:04:33.700 be able to make the donation. So I hope it's going to make a substantial difference for what I think

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00:05:14.980 Well, it sounds amazing.

00:05:16.640 I can't wait to go downtown and see, like, the Clay and Laura Travis building.

00:05:22.040 But honestly, one of the things that I've appreciated about you most,

00:05:24.840 something that I've come to learn throughout the past few years is you really are someone who

00:05:29.400 puts your money where your mouth is, whether that's the philanthropy side of things, but

00:05:34.580 even more so online, offering what WNBA teams, like a million dollars to play,

00:05:41.480 what was it, like a high school state championship boys basketball team? Of course, you've had no one

00:05:48.100 take you up on this, which leads me to someone that, again, the online discourse is there. You

00:05:54.520 and I have talked about this person a lot, Megan Rapinoe. What in the world is wrong? This is a

00:06:00.400 woman who has historically lost to, I think, a 15 and under boys team out of Dallas. We've got a

00:06:06.120 clip here. I know you've seen it. Let's watch it really, really quick. Horrible rule that came out

00:06:11.780 from the International Olympic Committee. They've announced a new policy that they're calling.

00:06:18.320 I can't believe they're calling it this because it has nothing to do with protecting women. I feel

00:06:24.040 like two people who played at the very highest level

00:06:27.640 for every competition that you possibly could,

00:06:31.680 don't agree with this and never felt like this was an issue at all.

00:06:35.420 We already know that biology, as much as we want it to be

00:06:39.880 just nice and clean and tight and perfectly in one category or another,

00:06:44.020 it's not. We know that.

00:06:46.200 So now what we're doing is subjecting everybody,

00:06:51.440 all women and all people who are identifying as women to this really invasive testing.

00:06:58.200 And this will ultimately just prevent people from competing within the women's category

00:07:04.080 that they feel like have an unfair advantage. It's kind of like the whole point,

00:07:09.580 like the women's category is intended to be exclusive. What's your thoughts here?

00:07:15.660 Well, I think you actually put a good tweet up because I wasn't an athlete or even in school

00:07:21.840 when you said you were having to be tested for COVID all the time.

00:07:25.960 I did do those COVID swabs.

00:07:28.840 They were super invasive and they didn't feel good and you had to do them all the time.

00:07:33.180 My understanding is this is one cheek swab and for the vast majority of women,

00:07:38.300 they will say, okay, you are a woman, you're eligible to compete.

00:07:42.460 and if someone doesn't test as a woman they're not ineligible they just compete as men um and

00:07:50.420 that's that seems very fair to me and again i think president trump deserves a lot of credit

00:07:55.220 for this because we're going to host the 2028 olympics in los angeles and uh he has made it

00:08:01.000 quite clear that men shouldn't be able to compete against women and unfortunately we have given gold

00:08:05.720 medals i believe to a bunch of different people who are actually male identifying as women

00:08:11.880 and you've got a daughter.

00:08:14.100 I hope one day that I have a bunch of

00:08:16.200 grandsons and granddaughters.

00:08:18.720 But the idea that I would ever have

00:08:21.240 a girl who has to compete against a boy

00:08:24.940 in a sport is crazy.

00:08:26.280 And let me say this.

00:08:26.920 I don't know that I've talked about this.

00:08:28.540 I coached Little League.

00:08:30.060 The best player on my 10U team was a girl.

00:08:33.820 She was dominant.

00:08:34.860 She could throw the ball harder than the boys.

00:08:36.700 She could hit it farther.

00:08:38.160 If someone is so good

00:08:40.680 that they're capable of competing

00:08:42.520 in a sport that's different than their gender,

00:08:45.660 more power to it, girl-to-boy competition,

00:08:48.500 but the idea that a guy should be able

00:08:50.940 to compete in women's competition

00:08:52.940 with men being bigger, stronger, faster than women,

00:08:55.620 it's just crazy, and you've gotten savaged over this,

00:08:59.220 which is one of the most ridiculous things

00:09:01.200 I've ever seen for simply caring,

00:09:03.680 unlike Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird,

00:09:05.820 about younger athletes.

00:09:07.840 I think you've talked about your sister.

00:09:09.280 one day it'll be your daughter, being able to compete against other women.

00:09:13.460 I just can't believe that this is still an issue and this is where we are as a country.

00:09:18.940 You know, you said it, me caring.

00:09:22.180 Do you think that's what it is with people like Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird?

00:09:26.640 Do you think they know that men and women are different?

00:09:29.780 I mean, you have to imagine that's the case and they just simply don't care.

00:09:32.840 Or do you think they fully believe that a man who takes puberty blockers,

00:09:37.380 Do you think they believe that he can somehow turn himself into a woman if he so wills it?

00:09:45.340 I don't know.

00:09:46.720 And this is, I can't even get into their head because you have to know.

00:09:51.820 You mentioned Megan Rapinoe's team competed against 15-year-old boys from Dallas, Texas,

00:09:57.360 and they lost.

00:09:58.860 This is not the best 15-year-old boys in the country.

00:10:01.720 This is the best 15-year-old boys in Dallas, Texas, and they lost.

00:10:05.660 So the biology of testosterone, once it starts rolling, I've got a 15-year-old in my house.

00:10:11.840 He's a totally different human than when he was 12.

00:10:14.740 He's the same size as me now.

00:10:16.520 He's starting to try to bench more weight than me.

00:10:19.360 Testosterone, when it takes off, is a huge differentiator, as everyone who's ever raised

00:10:23.860 kids or gone to school can testify to.

00:10:27.640 So she has to be able to see it.

00:10:29.840 I think she's just so committed to the delusion of her politics that she's not willing to

00:10:35.640 say publicly what she knows to be true privately. That's my kind of assessment of what I think she's

00:10:41.260 got going on. No, I agree with that. And in watching this clip back, I was thinking to myself,

00:10:47.700 you know what? I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Megan Rapinoe said a single

00:10:52.640 word about the Iranian women's national soccer team when all of that was going on.

00:10:57.560 She finally spoke out weeks later, Riley.

00:11:01.360 She issued a tepid statement after there had been weeks of silence.

00:11:06.700 She finally said something, but it was paled in comparison

00:11:10.880 to how outspoken she is on the Olympic rule.

00:11:15.100 And I find her to have been wrong about almost everything in her worldview.

00:11:21.540 And I wish she would have to answer questions like the one you just asked.

00:11:26.300 I mean, it's a very reasonable question that someone could ask, because I think the reality is if 12 men decided to compete as as women, there would be no starting women soccer players.

00:11:39.160 Right. All 11 starting spots and probably the top sub would all be male.

00:11:44.240 And she said this after she retired conveniently after her career is over.

00:11:49.360 And I just it is insanely unfortunate that this could happen.

00:11:54.040 I wish that Elizabeth Edie would get more attention and Megan Rapinoe would get less

00:11:58.300 because I think one of them is brave and sane, and the other one I think is a coward and insane.

00:12:03.540 And I'm going to take brave and sane like you and other female athletes out there

00:12:07.800 who've been willing to speak out on this over the Rapinos of the world.

00:12:12.660 Yeah, you mentioned Elizabeth Edie.

00:12:14.240 This is a woman who she played 11 years in the professional league alongside people like Megan Rapinoe,

00:12:19.880 but ultimately just retired.

00:12:22.120 And I'm sure her tenure was part of it, playing for that long.

00:12:25.440 But she said, look, I couldn't do it anymore.

00:12:28.040 The backlash that I faced from my teammates, from captains on my team,

00:12:31.560 from people who I would have called best friends,

00:12:33.520 who disinvited me from their wedding for saying that I don't think men should be on the soccer field with us.

00:12:38.180 Crazy.

00:12:38.460 Crazy stuff.

00:12:39.120 So I agree.

00:12:40.420 She's brave.

00:12:41.280 Those are the voices we need to amplify.

00:12:42.820 And worth noting, Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird, they don't have daughters.

00:12:47.920 And I do think that that is another level to it.

00:12:51.120 the lengths that you are willing to go to protect the integrity of that.

00:12:56.320 Staying on the topic of sports, you participated in a roundtable hosted by President Trump just a few weeks ago now.

00:13:05.680 He signed an executive order surrounding NIL and kind of taming the wild, wild west that is the NCAA.

00:13:15.120 can you kind of explain what this executive order does and kind of the key provisions of it and how

00:13:21.420 ultimately this helps save college sports as President Trump touts himself on doing yeah so

00:13:27.320 look there is a hope that Congress is going to be able to pass a bill to try and give an antitrust

00:13:34.280 exemption to college athletics so that basically they can put rules in place right now they get

00:13:39.700 sued as antitrust violators anytime they try and put rules in place. But I imagine a lot of people

00:13:45.500 watching us right now are kind of rolling their eyes because Congress can't seem to do anything.

00:13:50.380 So President Trump, I think, is frustrated with how long the process of Congress trying to enact

00:13:55.680 a bill is taking. And he wrote this executive order, which hopefully will have some of the

00:14:02.240 color of law, but has not been passed by Congress. And I think there are three things that really

00:14:07.220 kind of stood out. And I want to get your take on one of these in a sec here. You get five years

00:14:12.940 to play four, which has been the standard for most of college athletics. You cannot transfer

00:14:21.000 more than once freely, meaning you can't go from playing. You swam at Kentucky. You couldn't go

00:14:26.560 from Kentucky one year to Florida the next more than one time. And then it says once you go pro,

00:14:32.800 you weren't able to come back into college in this sport,

00:14:36.660 which has been something that has been occurring.

00:14:38.780 Now, you went to UK.

00:14:40.540 You're a great swimmer there.

00:14:42.580 Can you imagine what kind of education you would have gotten

00:14:46.260 if you had swam at four different schools in a five-year process?

00:14:51.080 Like for transferring credits, for relationships that you build,

00:14:55.560 for all these different things.

00:14:56.840 Everyone talks about how great NIL is,

00:14:59.600 but the idea of going to four schools in five years as some of these guys and it tends to be

00:15:05.720 guys and then claiming that you're getting any education at all it's just absolutely bonkers to

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00:16:31.240 the Riley Gaines Show. Yeah, look, NIL really started to take off. What was it? 2021, 2022,

00:16:38.600 maybe? Yeah. I graduated in 22. So I kind of was on the very front end of what this looked like

00:16:47.160 for college athletes. Now, going to University of Kentucky, not historically known for being

00:16:52.500 a swimming school or even a football school but of course a men's basketball school i got to watch

00:16:58.480 firsthand what happens when you give 17 year old boys sometimes these boys weren't even 18 years

00:17:04.500 old when you give 17 year old boys millions and millions and millions of i got to see uh the car

00:17:11.880 deals and the porsches that they're driving 100 miles an hour down the straight of campus

00:17:16.500 they don't go to class anymore because no one is really making them go there's no financial

00:17:21.260 literacy. They don't understand anything about taxes or what is required when you're receiving

00:17:26.960 this much money, which how would you? Again, you're 17 years old. So I saw this as someone who, again,

00:17:34.780 playing a non-revenue sport where there wasn't a ton of opportunity. Again, even four years ago now,

00:17:39.960 I'm sure it has increased, but still slim to none if you're not playing basketball or football.

00:17:45.120 I got to witness firsthand and it wasn't a pretty sight. So to see what we have seen,

00:17:52.340 the provisions of this, no more 27-year-old freshmen. It's kind of funny in our sport of

00:17:57.640 swimming, there were schools that were like notorious for recruiting women or men who were

00:18:03.280 older. They would be like legitimately 25 years old and a freshman and they would compete overseas

00:18:09.120 all year and come back to the U.S. just for conference time or NCAA time.

00:18:14.420 So to see kind of the whip come down on a lot of these things,

00:18:18.380 of course, I'm thrilled about this.

00:18:20.080 I think this is a good thing.

00:18:22.620 In terms of the NIL balance, what this kind of looks like,

00:18:27.000 because I do, like any person with rational thinking,

00:18:31.160 I do see a problem when you have executives and coaches

00:18:34.860 and people within the NCAA making glamorous salaries off of the backs of athletes.

00:18:40.980 What's kind of the answer here?

00:18:43.220 In an ideal world, what does this look like, you think?

00:18:46.360 You know, if I had a magic wand and I could kind of put it in place,

00:18:50.380 I would have several broad parameters.

00:18:52.400 First of all, there's a big difference between NIL and pay for play,

00:18:56.520 and I'll give you an easy example of that.

00:18:59.060 Livvy Dunn, who a lot of people know, the gymnast from LSU,

00:19:02.420 almost all of her money is actual nil places want to endorse her from her social media platform

00:19:09.900 she's able to endorse i think viore would be an example uh you and i love xxxy great product

00:19:17.000 encourage everybody out there to go buy as much of it as you can i'm wearing their shorts right now

00:19:21.300 even though i'm dressed up like a professional person at the up top i've got on their athletic

00:19:26.540 shorts right now i love them but that would be nil right you're being paid to endorse a product

00:19:32.300 through your own social media channels.

00:19:34.800 Being paid to play a sport is different, okay?

00:19:38.240 So I think you have to distinguish between those two.

00:19:40.760 We kind of have turned NIL into pay-for-play.

00:19:44.280 And for pay-for-play, I think you need to have a set salary cap.

00:19:49.700 I think that guys should be able to get paid in revenue-producing sports.

00:19:54.260 But I don't think that you should be suing to stay in college

00:19:58.940 instead of going pro.

00:20:00.600 It used to be, when I was a young guy, that everybody, Maurice Claret's a great example,

00:20:07.500 star running back for Ohio State, he sued to try to get to the NFL earlier because he

00:20:12.560 would make more money as a pro than he would as a college kid.

00:20:15.880 That's the way it should be.

00:20:17.380 You shouldn't go to pros and make less than you made in college, and so it's broken, so

00:20:23.000 we need a salary cap, we need a collective bargaining agreement.

00:20:26.260 I still think and I know I'm getting to be an old man on this that you need to get an actual education because your point Riley financial literacy. I worry about this for my own kids all the time. So many people are knuckleheads when they're young especially boys when they have money and they get it a young age 17 18 years old. They don't have any idea how to save it. They don't have any idea how to invest it. They think that gravy train is going to be there forever. And then boom you're 24.

00:20:54.400 your pro-athletic career may be over your college career is over and you don't even have a network

00:20:59.960 to get a real job anymore because you don't have any tangible skills and you went to four schools

00:21:05.260 in five years so you didn't even make a relationship with the university to be able to try to get a gig

00:21:11.640 in real life so I worry about all those things that would be kind of my magic wand parameters

00:21:17.280 that I think would be better for most athletes.

00:21:21.380 Most athletes don't have a value

00:21:23.080 outside of their sport and scholarship.

00:21:26.260 And so I think we have to, as you did,

00:21:28.280 distinguish between revenue

00:21:29.500 and non-revenue producing athletics as well.

00:21:32.420 Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:33.100 Which is another maybe intended,

00:21:35.780 I think I would initially say unintended consequence

00:21:37.960 of this executive order

00:21:39.700 is it does kind of help women's sports,

00:21:42.560 non-revenue sports,

00:21:43.440 and that Olympic pipeline for Team USA.

00:21:45.940 say. And yeah, the financial literacy piece, Clay, I'm honestly like embarrassed to admit

00:21:50.500 this, but the other day I had to write a check and I'd never written a check before because

00:21:55.360 everything is done digitally over online, pay all your bills, everything's online. So

00:22:00.260 I had to write a check and it says at the bottom, you know, memo. I had no idea what

00:22:03.780 that meant. I had to call my dad. I'm like, dad, at the bottom of this check, it says

00:22:07.740 memo, what do I do? And he says, Riley, like, tell me you're filming like a TikTok and you,

00:22:12.020 know I'm like dad I have no idea what this means he was so embarrassed but but it's real like how

00:22:18.460 else would you know if you've never had to do it so I absolutely agree with you there you mentioned

00:22:22.700 this will probably be challenged legally in the courts who is it that is opposing this because

00:22:29.060 I've seen statements by I mean I think all the power five conferences they seem to support it

00:22:33.720 so who is it that opposes this executive order it's going to be individual athletes who feel

00:22:38.580 like the executive order restricts their compensation. So if you are an individual

00:22:43.820 athlete that's already transferred once and you want to transfer again, for people out there who

00:22:48.620 don't remember, transferring used to be difficult. I mean, when you started your athletic career at

00:22:53.660 Kentucky, I presume the rules were if you transferred, you had to sit out for a year

00:22:58.440 and you then gave up one year. So you had five to play four, but it was a big deal, right? If you're

00:23:04.740 18 and you sit out for a year and you can't play again till you're 20 that really restricted a lot

00:23:10.860 of movement and by the way I don't think that's a bad thing right because I think kids should learn

00:23:15.980 how to fight through now sometimes you get recruited over your coach leaves there are

00:23:20.460 external factors that I think certainly can be considered but one of the biggest challenges is

00:23:25.560 coming in as a freshman and realizing I'm gonna have to bust my ass for a couple of years until

00:23:29.820 I really get significant playing time as a junior or senior because it's really hard to be good

00:23:34.420 and excellent at something and i think uh that making people aware of how hard they work uh and

00:23:40.780 again building those deep roots of a university connection are uh are important important but it

00:23:46.460 will be by and large individual athletes who feel like their compensation is being restricted

00:23:51.380 they're going to argue that there is an authority that there uh there's an antitrust uh component

00:23:56.640 to this uh this is getting into the weeds and being a nerd legally which sometimes i i do the

00:24:02.660 only way like let's use LeBron James as an example he's been the best player in the NBA for much of

00:24:08.120 the last you know he's 41 now but for much of his career he was the best player in the NBA he was

00:24:13.780 making way less than he otherwise would because there's a ceiling on compensation the floor then

00:24:19.640 is elevated as a part of the uh collective bargaining agreement so the mediocre and lesser

00:24:25.520 players get paid more than they deserve the LeBrons of the world make less that's collectively

00:24:30.360 bargained for because otherwise LeBron was probably worth a hundred million dollars a year

00:24:35.100 some years he never made that because the collective bargaining agreement if you just

00:24:39.800 restricted LeBron's pay and everybody agreed in the NBA they're not going to pay him what he's

00:24:44.700 worth and there wasn't a collective bargaining agreement that would be an antitrust violation

00:24:49.400 he would be able to sue so it's the CBA for pro sports that gives them the antitrust exemption

00:24:56.120 congress needs to pass it so we can get basic rules uh put in place until they do there are

00:25:02.320 lawsuits the president's trying to address it but there will be suits laid out against him too

00:25:07.020 and there's no timeline of of when we could expect to see something moving

00:25:13.120 through the house is there i mean they they say i guess they say we think we're going to do it

00:25:19.320 this summer uh but riley i'm not optimistic congress can pass anything right now and i think

00:25:25.660 the conferences and a lot of other people aren't either. But so the summer before the midterms is

00:25:31.020 what they say they're trying to do. We will see. We will see. Well, thank you for that analysis.

00:25:37.100 That's helpful for even people like me, especially the legal side of things. I want to ask you about

00:25:43.880 Gavin Newsom's wife, or maybe I should say partner. She refers to herself as the first

00:25:49.840 partner of california i everything i know about this woman has been like entirely against my

00:25:56.080 own free will she pops up on my timeline like every video on x specifically is a new clip

00:26:03.040 of i think his name is jennifer of jennifer virtue signaling in some way shape or form

00:26:09.600 let's play the latest clip that i saw today i had to be very raw when we interviewed the

00:26:15.280 the young men who were juvenile offenders in San Quentin. Um, I told them about my own loss where,

00:26:21.900 um, my, my, I lost my older sister a few days before my seventh birthday and I blamed myself

00:26:28.780 for her death. And I share that, um, because that they ultimately were accused of committing these

00:26:37.600 violent crimes and sentenced for life. And I think it shocked them that this, you know, blonde lady

00:26:43.680 who was you know the uh interviewing them had a similar story um was perhaps in the wrong place

00:26:51.320 at the wrong time and but wasn't punished the way they were because clearly it was an accident but

00:26:57.260 theirs was probably an accident too the smugness of which she's talking about hardened criminals

00:27:05.360 who are sentenced to life in prison in san quentin first of all for context uh for those who don't

00:27:12.120 know who are listening to this because I didn't know this until I found this video and saw some

00:27:16.720 of the research behind it. Gavin Newsom's wife apparently ran over her sister in a golf cart

00:27:23.260 when she was six years old. And of course, this was an accident, unintentional. She goes on to

00:27:30.080 say how she faced zero consequences. But in this video, she's saying, you know, they're facing

00:27:34.700 life sentences, but whatever they're charged with was probably an accident too. I mean,

00:27:40.140 this is like peak elite tone deafness um what's your thoughts on her she seems like a total

00:27:46.140 ability to Gavin Newsom quite frankly well she is a liability that's an awful story but I don't

00:27:51.680 think there's anyone in America who would say hey if a six-year-old drives over her eight-year-old

00:27:58.200 brother or sister in a golf cart that they need to be put in prison for the rest of their lives

00:28:03.620 or that they need to be compared to adult criminals that's what she did um and again

00:28:08.780 it's an awful story i'm a parent you're a parent like something awful happening to kids siblings

00:28:14.000 involved it's truly atrocious but it's nothing at all similar to what she's talking about in

00:28:19.280 san quentin and look riley i repped uh murderers drug dealers alleged uh domestic abusers as a

00:28:26.340 young lawyer we were required to represent criminals um and so i understand the concept

00:28:32.760 of believing in rehabilitation, believing in finding forgiveness, finding a way to

00:28:39.260 recalibrate your life after you've done something awful, her experience is not similar to what

00:28:46.260 they are accused of. And look, I don't think there's very many people out there who would say,

00:28:50.820 hey, you know what the issue we have in America is? We're too kind. So we're too cruel to violent

00:28:57.340 criminals. I actually think we're far too kind to them. I want violent criminals behind bars

00:29:02.560 longer we would all be safer if they were and this is also important as someone who committed

00:29:07.800 who defended those who had committed crimes and been accused of crimes very rarely very very

00:29:15.180 rarely does someone create commit a truly heinous violent crime and it is the first time they've

00:29:22.660 ever done anything criminal in their life these people who commit these crimes riley they start

00:29:29.100 at young ages and they typically are continuing to grow and accelerate the level of their

00:29:34.940 criminality and so this idea that oh they made one bad decision in their life and they ended up here

00:29:40.940 does it happen yes is it insanely rare yes is it in any way analogous to what a six-year-old did

00:29:47.380 no um and so uh i think she's just a tremendous liability for gavin newsom um and this is she's

00:29:54.720 evidence sadly you see this a lot of the woke mind virus having taken over educated white women

00:30:01.360 more than almost anyone else in the country and i think she speaks uh as someone who is

00:30:06.340 completely taken over by that woke mind virus frozen lasagna medium power 15 minutes

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00:30:37.940 yeah absolutely i agree with that uh i think she's attempting to appear you know empathetic

00:30:47.700 and apologetic. And she seems to be very emotionally driven. And these are wonderful

00:30:52.500 things in their true essence. I think, especially as women, we tend to be those things on average,

00:30:57.860 certainly more so than men who are, again, more aggressive and dominant and assertive. Again,

00:31:02.960 good things for men, for those who are genetically encoded to protect and to provide. Those are

00:31:07.940 fantastic things. But what she's doing, it's not empathetic. How she's speaking, it's really not

00:31:14.520 with kindness or compassion. Uh, she's allowed those things, uh, and what she believes those

00:31:19.840 things to be, uh, to, to be weaponized against her. So I agree with you. I think she's a liability.

00:31:25.720 I think, uh, you know, she's like trying to diagnose and, and treat, uh, young boys as if

00:31:32.620 it's a, a disease to be treated. Uh, she talks about her son. I, again, I more so think she's

00:31:38.000 doing it to, uh, virtue signal her. She seems so very proud when she's talking about this and she

00:31:43.740 got this book and she's reading it to her sons and she changes that if there's a protagonist

00:31:48.760 that's a boy or a male she changes the pronouns to she i don't think she actually even does that

00:31:54.000 i think she's just saying that anyways uh who do you think is the like the democrat darling

00:31:59.900 right now you think it's gavin newsom well i think he thinks he is and i think his wife thinks that

00:32:05.640 he is um i i said this on my show the other day i still think kamala harris is going to be the

00:32:11.640 nominee. And people think that I'm crazy for this take. I think black voters in Democrat primaries

00:32:18.360 are going to show up and vote for her. I don't think they're going to show up and vote for Mayor

00:32:22.420 Pete. I don't think they're going to show up and vote for Gavin Newsom in big numbers. If I were

00:32:28.260 handicapping the race right now, I would still make Kamala the favorite. I would. And I think,

00:32:35.200 you know, look, we'll see what happens on the Republican side, whether JD and Marco end up

00:32:40.280 working together how the next couple of years go economically and all those things uh but i think

00:32:45.820 the reason kamala titled her book 107 days is she's going to argue she didn't get enough time

00:32:51.640 to make the case of why she's the right choice for america and i think some people are going to

00:32:56.300 find that to be a compelling argument um not me uh but i think a lot of democrat voters particularly

00:33:01.700 black voters in southern states like where we live tennessee um south carolina uh georgia alabama

00:33:08.480 places that tend to vote early. I think Kamala will do very well.

00:33:13.940 Yeah, and I agree with you. I think people have short memories. I think they will have forgotten

00:33:19.040 how horrible and inauthentic of a campaign she ran leading up to the election in 2024. So I'll

00:33:26.780 be interested to see what direction they go. Do they go with someone more moderate like Bashir

00:33:31.400 or who appears to be moderate? I don't think any of them are moderate by any stretch of the

00:33:35.460 imagination, but who appear to be more moderate, such as Bashir or Shapiro or what that looks like.

00:33:41.680 One more thing I want to ask you about, last thing, in talking about kind of the Trump hysteria. Of

00:33:47.420 course, it's not new. Over the weekend, he tweeted this. He says, a whole civilization will die

00:33:53.360 tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,

00:33:58.060 now we have complete and total regime change where different, smarter, and less radicalized

00:34:01.820 minds prevail maybe something revolutionary wonderful can happen who knows we'll find out

00:34:06.860 tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world 47 years of

00:34:11.040 extortion corruption and death will finally end god bless the great people of iran and now

00:34:16.380 we are being lectured on the 25th amendment can you explain this and what we're seeing

00:34:22.720 the discourse that we're seeing online right now well the first time uh the biden presidency was

00:34:28.920 Weekend at Bernie's, a movie that came out that is absolutely insane, that features a dead man

00:34:34.540 that they pretend is alive. That was a crazy movie, Riley. Then they made Weekend at Bernie's

00:34:39.720 two. And so every Democrat was fine with Weekend at Bernie's one, which was Joe Biden's first term

00:34:46.020 in office. And then other than Dean Phillips, the Minnesota congressman who ran against him,

00:34:51.760 all of them lined up and said, yes, we want another four years from Joe Biden,

00:34:57.060 who clearly was mentally and physically incapable of being president of the United States.

00:35:01.860 Once they all lined up behind Joe Biden, there is nothing that Donald Trump can do.

00:35:06.820 The guy on Monday had a hour and 15 long hour and 15 minute long press conference where he

00:35:14.100 answered every question under the sun. And he does this every day such that if Trump isn't

00:35:20.000 in front of the media for 10 hours, Democrats go crazy and start saying he's sick and in the

00:35:25.120 hospital riley uh so i think that's uh that is uh the reality look i trust trump i trust uh pete

00:35:31.760 hegseth i know you know pete um i trust marco rubio i trust these guys to make good decisions

00:35:36.920 in a tough climate by the way let me go back to one question you asked a minute ago uh when we

00:35:41.620 started about the million dollar challenge because some people say you know i offered a million

00:35:45.860 dollars to a wnba team to play against the high school state champion team of my choice and if

00:35:51.120 the WNBA team won, they would get a million dollars, which is a huge amount, more than

00:35:56.180 most of them made at the time to play for a year. Some people said, why would you do that?

00:36:00.600 Because I think we need, we saw it with you swimming against Leah Thomas, but I think we

00:36:06.400 actually need a real competition between men and women, the best women against just good men,

00:36:13.660 and see what the biological difference is. I think those high school boys, Riley, would

00:36:19.700 obliterate the WNBA champions. That's not meant to demean the WNBA champions. It's meant to

00:36:26.180 illustrate the importance of having separation of men's and women's athletics. You lived it.

00:36:32.180 A lot of people out there still tried to deny it. I want this challenge to happen. I think a lot of

00:36:38.960 people would watch and I think what they would see would stagger a lot of people. Biology is real

00:36:45.140 and it doesn't mean that men are better than women and it doesn't mean that women are better

00:36:48.980 than men i don't buy into that concept look i think we just need to acknowledge that we're not

00:36:55.000 the same and for most of human history we did that we were very happy to do that and this this i think

00:37:01.920 it's actually quite sinister i think what they're trying to do is argue that there is no difference

00:37:07.220 between men and women that's really what this is about at its root that biology is not real

00:37:13.280 And so I simply would say, let's have a competition and let's see.

00:37:18.180 And the fact that no one will do it, I think deep down proves that there is a recognition

00:37:23.600 of this reality.

00:37:27.420 Of course, they won't do it.

00:37:28.920 But for you even offering, you're like a bigot.

00:37:30.960 I'm a pariah.

00:37:32.280 I'm a huge misogynist.

00:37:34.380 I'm like the worst human who's ever existed.

00:37:36.800 But again, prove me wrong.

00:37:38.460 I'm putting my money on the table.

00:37:39.980 I'm putting my money where my mouth is, something I try to do to be as honest and end the hypocrisy as much as I can, and they won't follow through.

00:37:50.440 No, no.

00:37:51.380 And like I said, you do that really, really well.

00:37:56.040 Well, Clay, I appreciate you.

00:37:57.760 Thank you for joining the show.

00:37:59.640 Always love seeing you.

00:38:00.880 Gosh, you're on my TV screen all the time.

00:38:03.300 I don't know how you have enough, how we have the same amount of hours in the day, truthfully.

00:38:08.100 Hey, look, I am so proud of you.

00:38:10.440 True courage is rare.

00:38:12.240 I've said it to you privately,

00:38:13.700 but I think it's important to say publicly.

00:38:16.400 There are so many people who know

00:38:18.140 what you are saying to be true

00:38:19.960 and so few who will actually say it.

00:38:22.500 And your fearlessness and your bravery matters

00:38:24.900 a great deal to me and so many other people out there.

00:38:27.260 So thank you.

00:38:27.880 And by the way, hold up that old school

00:38:30.320 Tennessee Titans sweatshirt.

00:38:32.660 We need to give them some good mojo.

00:38:36.380 I've been going to their games

00:38:38.180 for over 20 years now

00:38:39.600 it was really tough this year

00:38:41.100 since they moved to Nashville

00:38:42.460 we need some good mojo

00:38:44.060 Nashville is a great city

00:38:45.360 you and I are born and raised in it

00:38:46.840 a rarity

00:38:47.340 we need a decent team here again

00:38:49.460 please be good again Titans

00:38:50.800 come on fingers crossed

00:38:53.800 like we started the show

00:38:55.780 and how we'll end it

00:38:56.540 at least Vanderbilt is on the cover

00:38:59.220 and they have a new stadium too

00:39:00.220 it looks fantastic

00:39:00.900 oh my gosh it looks fantastic

00:39:02.300 so thank you very much Clay

00:39:04.300 keep killing it Riley

00:39:05.980 thank you for having me thank you guys for watching today's episode of the riley gaines

00:39:11.520 show i hope you loved it and if you did make sure you subscribe you can do that right here

00:39:15.080 so you never miss an episode we'll see you guys next week

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Clay Travis： Why Trump’s Executive Order Changes Sports Forever ｜ The Riley Gaines Show

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