Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - July 09, 2025


Courageous Voices： Female High School Athletes Stand Up


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In this episode of the Gains For Girls Podcast, we talk to the three incredible plaintiffs from the State of Oregon and their legal representation from the America First Policy Institute. They join us to talk about their case against the NCAA for allowing a male competitor to compete in the women's division instead of being allowed to express himself in this way.

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00:01:16.980 Hello, everybody.
00:01:24.500 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast.
00:01:27.060 We have a super exciting episode for you guys today.
00:01:29.540 We have four fantastic guests.
00:01:32.040 One is the legal representation from America First Policy Institute
00:01:36.320 of three incredibly brave girls who are joining today
00:01:39.780 of the seven plaintiffs involved in a new lawsuit
00:01:43.400 coming out of the state of Oregon.
00:01:45.000 You've seen the viral clips,
00:01:47.140 but these girls are now putting their name, 1.00
00:01:49.700 putting their face to this issue
00:01:51.260 in a way that, of course, will influence the masses,
00:01:55.560 but beyond that will have a legal precedent to be set.
00:01:59.800 So very excited and grateful for these girls.
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00:03:53.600 So as I mentioned,
00:03:54.640 we're talking to these girls out of the state of Oregon. 1.00
00:03:57.760 One of these girls who we're talking to today,
00:04:01.320 both of which are on the lawsuit,
00:04:02.920 but one who is on the podcast today,
00:04:05.020 you've seen the viral clip of her not actually standing on the podium.
00:04:11.860 State championship meet, high jump.
00:04:14.360 She, of course, finishes top eight,
00:04:17.080 but guess what?
00:04:17.740 So does a boy in the girls' division.
00:04:20.400 So her, Reese is her name,
00:04:22.340 and another girl by the name of Alexa,
00:04:23.580 they decide they're not going to get on the podium.
00:04:25.420 They decide to silently protest this male competitor
00:04:29.140 and his allowance to compete in the women's division in this way.
00:04:32.840 But instead of being respected
00:04:35.100 or even just allowed to express themselves in this way,
00:04:38.760 they were publicly admonished
00:04:41.160 and reportedly removed from the track meet.
00:04:44.080 It was a total violation of their First Amendment rights,
00:04:46.360 of course, as well as the violation of Title IX,
00:04:50.840 which is federal law, by the way,
00:04:52.340 that the state of Oregon and many states,
00:04:54.900 blue states across the nation
00:04:57.000 are continuing to defiantly ignore.
00:05:00.480 So excited to talk to them.
00:05:02.840 Keep watching to learn about ways
00:05:04.760 that you can get involved as well,
00:05:06.340 especially if you're in one of these blue states.
00:05:09.520 If you've had to compete against a boy
00:05:11.240 or you know someone else who has,
00:05:13.720 keep watching this interview here.
00:05:14.940 Well, this is a very exciting episode
00:05:18.340 of the Gains for Girls podcast.
00:05:20.800 Clearly, if you are watching visually,
00:05:22.540 we are joined by three beautiful high school girls 1.00
00:05:25.960 who have been so brave and courageous in this fight,
00:05:28.300 which we will get to that.
00:05:29.320 And of course, we are joined
00:05:30.460 by their representative in their new legal case,
00:05:35.000 their new lawsuit,
00:05:36.460 Jessica from America First Policy Institute,
00:05:38.780 which before I say anything,
00:05:39.720 I'm the vice chair of Athletes for America with AFPI,
00:05:44.060 the work that they are doing there
00:05:45.600 in that division, in that realm,
00:05:47.800 but so much more broad than that
00:05:50.000 has just been so incredibly impactful.
00:05:52.440 And I am so proud to be affiliated with AFPI.
00:05:55.340 So Jessica, before we go to the girls
00:05:57.620 and get their stories and hear from them,
00:06:00.560 can you just briefly explain this new lawsuit,
00:06:03.640 the basics of it,
00:06:04.900 and what AFPI's legal argument in this case is?
00:06:08.100 Yeah, well, Riley,
00:06:09.720 we're so excited to have you on our team.
00:06:11.460 You've just been such a champion for girls sports. 0.99
00:06:14.120 And honestly, at AFPI,
00:06:15.880 in this lawsuit specifically,
00:06:17.560 you've just been so helpful.
00:06:19.120 And I know our girls feel the same way.
00:06:21.400 So America First Policy Institute,
00:06:23.180 we filed a lawsuit against the Department of Education
00:06:25.960 in Oregon for having boys and girls sports.
00:06:29.240 And our ladies here today,
00:06:31.540 they were courageous and stood up
00:06:33.480 for what they knew was right.
00:06:35.380 Title IX is now being weaponized
00:06:37.540 against them.
00:06:38.820 On top of that,
00:06:39.840 Reese is going to talk about it a little later,
00:06:41.820 but they're actually clear
00:06:42.860 First Amendment violation issues.
00:06:45.840 Our girls, they're losing access 1.00
00:06:47.360 to the podium, to the medal,
00:06:50.460 you know, to scholarships.
00:06:52.040 And now on top of that,
00:06:53.640 from this last state championship,
00:06:55.960 they're now being sidelined.
00:06:57.480 Their viewpoints are being suppressed.
00:07:00.440 And so it's so simple.
00:07:02.120 We'll get into this in more detail,
00:07:03.540 but the solution is very simple.
00:07:05.520 We need more girls to be courageous 0.92
00:07:09.140 like these three girls are.
00:07:11.260 And honestly, our leaders,
00:07:12.640 our leaders in the state,
00:07:14.380 specifically here, the state of Oregon,
00:07:16.760 we need them to be courageous
00:07:18.620 and stand up for what they know is right
00:07:20.900 and say no boys and girls sports.
00:07:23.560 It's amazing to me how often
00:07:25.400 those two things really go hand in hand.
00:07:28.140 The gender ideology movement
00:07:30.800 and the harm that it causes
00:07:32.200 and also the suppression
00:07:34.000 of free speech, free expression.
00:07:37.500 So, so grateful for you guys
00:07:38.800 and for making,
00:07:39.800 drawing that conclusion
00:07:40.640 and laying it out so simply
00:07:42.140 so everyone can understand.
00:07:44.760 Now to the girls,
00:07:46.160 can each of you
00:07:47.320 just take a very brief second
00:07:48.840 and introduce yourselves?
00:07:50.540 Tell us, of course,
00:07:52.100 a little bit about your story,
00:07:53.580 what sports you compete in,
00:07:54.660 and what has now brought you
00:07:56.140 into this conversation?
00:07:57.200 My name is Sophia Carpenter
00:07:58.920 and I do track and field,
00:08:01.480 specifically high jump,
00:08:03.040 and I've done it for six years now.
00:08:05.100 So I've put so much time
00:08:06.240 and effort into it
00:08:07.320 and I really just love it.
00:08:08.840 I'm going to keep competing in college.
00:08:10.720 That's my goal.
00:08:11.960 And I just want to stand up
00:08:13.020 for this issue because,
00:08:14.420 you know, so,
00:08:15.440 so few people are doing
00:08:16.600 anything about it.
00:08:17.520 And so I want to stand
00:08:18.360 with people that are
00:08:19.400 like these girls 1.00
00:08:20.680 and you, Riley,
00:08:21.840 and just join AFPI in this fight.
00:08:24.620 That's amazing.
00:08:25.680 Hi, I'm Maddie.
00:08:27.320 I play basketball
00:08:28.860 and I do track and field.
00:08:30.700 I high jump as well.
00:08:32.220 I'm going to continue
00:08:33.200 playing sports at the next level.
00:08:35.040 I'm going to play basketball.
00:08:36.720 But I've just been really drawn
00:08:38.560 and involved in this issue
00:08:40.300 ever since we chose
00:08:42.440 not to jump against
00:08:43.900 a biological male.
00:08:45.380 And ever since then,
00:08:46.860 it's just felt the passion
00:08:48.540 and just the need
00:08:51.220 for someone to stand up for.
00:08:53.000 I think of my younger cousins.
00:08:54.480 I think of all these girls
00:08:55.920 that look up to me
00:08:56.900 and just how valuable
00:08:58.440 women's sports are 1.00
00:08:59.820 and how important
00:09:01.480 that is to me personally.
00:09:02.980 I'm Reese Eckerd
00:09:04.040 and I do track and field,
00:09:06.740 specifically also high jump.
00:09:08.320 And I've been doing that
00:09:09.280 for about six years as well.
00:09:11.800 And I have had three encounters
00:09:14.420 with jumping against
00:09:15.280 a biological male
00:09:16.240 just this past track season.
00:09:18.220 And I'm here to stand up
00:09:21.220 for all the girls
00:09:21.840 who don't have a say
00:09:23.560 in what's going on.
00:09:25.540 Yeah, it's amazing.
00:09:26.760 You say just three times
00:09:27.960 this past season.
00:09:30.000 It's amazing to me
00:09:31.180 because you have
00:09:32.340 elected representation
00:09:33.940 and certainly representation
00:09:36.040 from the media
00:09:37.240 that says this
00:09:38.380 isn't really happening.
00:09:39.520 But I think the stories
00:09:40.920 that you all are here to share,
00:09:42.920 both on this podcast
00:09:44.140 and of course,
00:09:45.040 legally in your lawsuit,
00:09:46.080 they very much counter that point
00:09:49.040 and they do it very well.
00:09:50.860 Maddie, I want to ask you
00:09:51.760 because you mentioned something
00:09:53.180 that we've seen
00:09:54.200 this movement really.
00:09:56.560 We've previously dubbed it
00:09:58.200 as like project boycott
00:09:59.660 with emphasis on the word boy
00:10:01.580 of these situations,
00:10:03.480 whether it's a team sport,
00:10:05.180 whether it's an individual type sport
00:10:07.320 like track and field
00:10:08.300 where a boy is in the lane next to them
00:10:11.500 or on the court on the other team,
00:10:13.620 whatever the athletic setting is.
00:10:15.160 And you have girls
00:10:16.280 who just say,
00:10:17.180 no, like I'm not willing to do that.
00:10:19.840 Whether it's,
00:10:20.940 we saw this happen often in volleyball
00:10:23.380 and I talked to some of the girls
00:10:24.880 and they say,
00:10:25.240 look, our safety was at risk.
00:10:26.500 So I just want to ask you,
00:10:27.880 like, was this something,
00:10:29.140 number one, you anticipated
00:10:30.640 or I guess planned for
00:10:32.620 or was it kind of like
00:10:33.920 a gut instinct in the moment?
00:10:35.760 Can you describe
00:10:36.620 what the scenario was?
00:10:38.440 Yeah.
00:10:39.280 On the day of the meet,
00:10:41.200 it wasn't until the night before
00:10:44.200 that they had released
00:10:45.220 the heat sheets
00:10:46.060 and all of the participants
00:10:49.160 and all of the track meet
00:10:50.820 that I was going to be going to.
00:10:52.320 So I made this decision day of
00:10:55.200 because that's when I found out
00:10:56.600 that he was going to be allowed to compete.
00:10:59.420 I had prayed about it all day.
00:11:01.220 I had been so stressed the whole day.
00:11:05.580 It was beautiful out.
00:11:06.380 And I was like,
00:11:06.740 no way I'm not going to jump today.
00:11:08.240 This is such a good opportunity.
00:11:09.820 It's my senior year.
00:11:11.480 I don't even know if like
00:11:12.620 not jumping is going to do anything.
00:11:14.600 It kind of felt hopeless.
00:11:16.080 And then, you know,
00:11:17.000 I get to the meet
00:11:17.800 and there's just a,
00:11:19.060 I would say it's a weird tension.
00:11:21.080 And I was talking to Reese about it there
00:11:23.620 and it's just didn't feel like competition.
00:11:25.660 I knew it was unfair.
00:11:26.920 And that's when I decided,
00:11:28.420 you know what,
00:11:28.740 I'm going to scratch myself
00:11:29.880 and kind of how I made that decision.
00:11:32.520 It breaks my heart
00:11:36.800 that it's a decision you had to make,
00:11:39.200 that the onus is being placed on,
00:11:41.820 I mean, high schoolers,
00:11:43.820 16, 17, 18 year old girls
00:11:45.880 to ultimately defend themselves.
00:11:48.680 But it shows the lack of leadership,
00:11:50.660 the lack of a spine,
00:11:53.600 of a backbone,
00:11:55.100 how many people failed you guys
00:11:57.320 to where ultimately
00:11:58.140 you had to make that decision.
00:12:00.500 And Reese,
00:12:00.920 you mentioned a scenario too,
00:12:02.320 which went viral actually.
00:12:04.760 And I believe for all the right reasons,
00:12:06.740 you had so,
00:12:07.940 so much support online.
00:12:10.100 I don't know if you got to,
00:12:11.240 to really see any of it.
00:12:12.740 If you're,
00:12:13.380 if you were reading any of the comments,
00:12:15.480 honestly,
00:12:16.260 I,
00:12:16.740 if I were you,
00:12:17.260 I would not have been
00:12:18.100 because it really is such an overwhelming
00:12:19.960 experience and thing to be a part of
00:12:23.360 that again,
00:12:23.820 you,
00:12:24.140 you never really could have planned for.
00:12:25.820 You didn't ask for this moment to go viral,
00:12:27.860 but we have a,
00:12:29.140 of course,
00:12:29.700 the very,
00:12:30.180 very brief clip.
00:12:31.000 We're going to play it really quick.
00:12:33.420 So take us through Reese,
00:12:34.920 what happened here,
00:12:36.200 what the setting was again,
00:12:37.740 why ultimately you decided to step off the podium
00:12:41.660 and what followed following what we saw
00:12:44.880 just on that very small clip.
00:12:46.300 Yeah.
00:12:47.720 So I knew like the week before after districts
00:12:52.080 that the biological male would be competing at state.
00:12:55.640 And I always look at the heat sheets
00:12:57.840 and how I'm placed.
00:12:59.040 Now other people are placed before the meet.
00:13:01.220 And so I saw that there was definitely a chance
00:13:04.100 that he would make it on the podium.
00:13:06.140 And so the week before I prayed,
00:13:08.000 I talked to my parents
00:13:08.940 and I decided that if he placed,
00:13:10.960 I would not be getting on the podium.
00:13:12.320 So I definitely had a lot of peace with that decision.
00:13:15.240 So it wasn't as hard in the moment
00:13:17.080 since I'd already decided.
00:13:19.200 And Alexa,
00:13:20.820 she also got off the podium with me
00:13:22.680 and she was talking with me the week before
00:13:25.080 asking what I was going to do,
00:13:27.280 if I was going to not jump at all,
00:13:29.260 get off the podium.
00:13:30.100 And I told her that I really recommended her to jump
00:13:34.140 and I was going to jump
00:13:35.640 and that I was not going to be,
00:13:38.460 I was going to get off the podium
00:13:39.880 and that if she wanted to join me,
00:13:41.520 she was welcome.
00:13:42.860 And so we had both decided ahead of time
00:13:44.920 that we were going to get off the podium.
00:13:46.920 Did you receive any sort of,
00:13:49.260 obviously we saw the interaction from the official.
00:13:52.400 And actually, I want to ask you this, Jessica.
00:13:54.760 I'm assuming this is what,
00:13:56.540 of course, you're insinuating
00:13:57.580 when you talk about that violation
00:13:59.820 of the First Amendment rights.
00:14:01.420 Can you give a little more insight
00:14:02.380 on what happened here
00:14:04.160 and how specifically this is a violation
00:14:06.420 of their First Amendment rights?
00:14:08.320 So most of us think of the First Amendment
00:14:10.500 as speaking, right?
00:14:11.780 You have the right to say something.
00:14:13.800 But here, what Reese and Alexa did,
00:14:16.220 their actions are actually them speaking.
00:14:19.500 So that's their First Amendment right.
00:14:21.120 Again, even though it's not out loud,
00:14:22.880 their action is part of their speech.
00:14:24.820 And honestly, Riley,
00:14:26.200 this is exactly the reason
00:14:27.680 why the First Amendment was created.
00:14:30.140 We want citizens in our nation
00:14:31.980 to be able to stand up against the government.
00:14:34.760 So the government in this case
00:14:35.900 is the Department of Oregon's education system.
00:14:38.320 We want citizens to be able to stand up
00:14:40.280 when they think their rights
00:14:41.980 are being violated by the government
00:14:43.620 and they're allowed to speak out.
00:14:45.360 And so that official,
00:14:47.320 he should have let her express her viewpoint,
00:14:50.780 express her opinion by stepping down.
00:14:53.360 But instead, he got her out of the way,
00:14:55.680 told her she had to leave
00:14:57.320 or both of them had to leave.
00:14:58.760 And again, that's then the government
00:15:00.500 suppressing your First Amendment rights.
00:15:03.780 Yeah.
00:15:04.300 And this is kind of a question for all of you,
00:15:05.920 because I would imagine you guys,
00:15:07.620 of course, have had different experiences
00:15:09.480 and interactions and observations
00:15:11.380 over the past, the last season,
00:15:13.660 but maybe even longer than that.
00:15:16.280 Have you guys seen the other side
00:15:19.580 of this debate, of this argument?
00:15:21.980 Have they been able to freely express
00:15:24.240 how they feel and their affiliation with the topic
00:15:27.780 and how they have asserted themselves?
00:15:30.000 They have, yeah.
00:15:31.500 I've noticed that how I can,
00:15:34.700 so like at the state meet,
00:15:36.480 I wore, it's the shirt that Maddie's wearing right now,
00:15:38.760 the XXXY shirt.
00:15:40.520 Which they're fantastic, by the way.
00:15:43.180 So fun.
00:15:44.080 So I was wearing that all during warmups
00:15:46.180 and during introductions,
00:15:47.340 I wore that shirt also.
00:15:49.180 And in our lineup jumping order,
00:15:51.220 I was actually jumping right next
00:15:52.580 to this biological male.
00:15:55.100 And so they called up my name
00:15:56.540 and I stepped forward, I waved
00:15:58.000 and I like a little signal to my shirt,
00:16:00.220 like, save women's sports, you know? 0.99
00:16:02.700 And I just think it's interesting
00:16:03.940 because after that,
00:16:05.220 there's the whole,
00:16:05.960 like Jessica was talking about
00:16:07.300 the whole debate of, you know,
00:16:08.920 free speech and First Amendment rights.
00:16:11.180 Meanwhile, over here,
00:16:12.140 we have these transgender athletes
00:16:14.200 who can compete based off of their feelings
00:16:18.100 and not actual like logical reality.
00:16:22.000 You know, even before the meet,
00:16:23.180 we were in the warmup area
00:16:24.160 and Rhys and I were talking to each other.
00:16:26.360 We were excited
00:16:27.060 because we're looking around
00:16:28.040 and we don't see this athlete anywhere.
00:16:29.700 We thought he had scratched
00:16:31.100 and the official told us,
00:16:32.960 she said, okay, we have everyone here.
00:16:34.880 So we're like, he must have scratched.
00:16:36.760 He's not here.
00:16:37.640 And we turned the corner
00:16:38.680 and here he comes with a bodyguard.
00:16:41.900 And it's just insane to me
00:16:43.460 that we're protecting these people
00:16:46.800 that I don't know.
00:16:50.660 It's just interesting that
00:16:51.600 who gets protected,
00:16:53.540 who doesn't get protected.
00:16:54.320 It's like an elevation for them
00:16:56.620 and then it's like a lesser
00:16:59.220 for the actual real girls
00:17:01.000 that are competing.
00:17:02.100 It's definitely discrimination in itself
00:17:04.440 to elevate someone else
00:17:05.920 and give less rights to the girls
00:17:08.100 who are the ones that are competing.
00:17:10.520 Exactly.
00:17:11.420 And that's kind of like the red flag
00:17:13.740 that should be raised in people's minds
00:17:16.060 when they hear the word inclusion,
00:17:18.540 especially when it comes to
00:17:20.180 the athletic realm on this topic.
00:17:22.980 It really means exclusion
00:17:24.780 and who we are excluding
00:17:26.620 are women and girls 0.60
00:17:28.980 from the women and girls division
00:17:32.000 or categories.
00:17:34.640 Reese, I wanted to ask you too,
00:17:36.420 like following this interaction,
00:17:38.180 actually this goes for all of you.
00:17:39.360 You've all been brave
00:17:40.160 in your own scenario
00:17:41.660 that you've had to deal with this.
00:17:44.000 What about responses
00:17:45.780 you guys have received
00:17:47.160 either from your coaches
00:17:48.460 or maybe teammates
00:17:49.640 or peers or school staff?
00:17:51.760 Like, was there any other discipline
00:17:54.140 or was there support?
00:17:56.240 How did that response
00:17:57.880 look for you guys?
00:18:01.780 Well, I'm homeschooled,
00:18:03.820 so I don't actually go
00:18:05.300 to the school I compete with.
00:18:06.820 So I think that was
00:18:07.660 like kind of a blessing
00:18:08.880 that I didn't have to deal
00:18:10.340 with whatever would have happened
00:18:11.740 after that meet.
00:18:12.800 But I did talk to my coaches.
00:18:15.720 They were in support.
00:18:16.920 I'm not exactly sure
00:18:17.940 how they support this issue,
00:18:20.160 but they supported my decision.
00:18:22.400 And so I didn't get
00:18:23.480 very many hate or anything.
00:18:25.480 Just basically just so much support
00:18:27.340 from all my friends and family
00:18:28.700 and everybody I've talked to about it.
00:18:32.000 Yeah, I think I got
00:18:33.580 a lot of support too.
00:18:35.160 I got a lot of people messaging me
00:18:37.040 saying how thankful they were
00:18:38.400 that I was stepping up for them,
00:18:40.680 that I was standing up
00:18:41.860 for women's sports.
00:18:43.960 It definitely felt like
00:18:45.660 when I was talking
00:18:47.460 to my teammates prior
00:18:48.560 to making my decision
00:18:49.540 to not jump,
00:18:51.320 that they were like,
00:18:52.080 what is it going to do?
00:18:53.720 Honestly, it was more of,
00:18:56.140 sure, you won't jump,
00:18:57.260 but like, so you didn't jump.
00:18:59.860 And that's it.
00:19:00.680 And it's not really
00:19:01.420 going to do anything.
00:19:02.220 And I think that was
00:19:02.920 my only hesitation
00:19:03.900 to not doing that.
00:19:05.720 But, you know,
00:19:07.020 there's so many amazing,
00:19:08.400 fruitful things
00:19:08.940 that have come through that
00:19:09.900 and just the support
00:19:10.880 that we've all received
00:19:11.820 has been awesome too.
00:19:13.920 Yeah.
00:19:14.480 Just to echo what
00:19:15.520 Reese and Maddie have already said,
00:19:16.620 I've also received
00:19:17.380 a lot of support.
00:19:18.420 And I think an interesting
00:19:19.580 part of it too
00:19:20.360 is that for me,
00:19:21.660 at least any of the hate comments
00:19:23.680 or, you know,
00:19:24.300 backlash I've gotten
00:19:25.320 has all been online
00:19:26.460 and I don't have social media.
00:19:28.040 I'm not on social media.
00:19:30.220 And so it's only been
00:19:30.880 like my mom
00:19:31.420 and my parents
00:19:31.980 seeing this kind of stuff.
00:19:33.560 And so they've said
00:19:34.360 that it's happened,
00:19:35.080 but like,
00:19:35.640 I don't feel any need
00:19:36.440 to go out
00:19:36.920 and like read that.
00:19:37.660 Like you said earlier, Riley,
00:19:38.620 like, you know,
00:19:39.700 why do that?
00:19:40.720 I'm not going to let it bother me.
00:19:42.380 No.
00:19:42.800 And honestly,
00:19:43.720 online,
00:19:45.120 on any public forum,
00:19:46.280 it doesn't matter
00:19:46.740 what the public forum is.
00:19:48.160 I've noticed, of course,
00:19:49.240 it's just so not representative
00:19:51.440 of real life, right?
00:19:53.720 There's this phrase,
00:19:54.960 the silent majority
00:19:56.640 and the very loud minority.
00:19:58.600 And that has become
00:19:59.520 incredibly evident
00:20:00.900 over the past few years.
00:20:03.060 And I think
00:20:03.840 it is due time.
00:20:05.480 And we're seeing
00:20:06.500 that tide change
00:20:07.260 where the silent majority
00:20:08.100 is finally finding
00:20:09.060 their voice,
00:20:09.880 largely to thank people
00:20:11.240 like you guys
00:20:11.940 for being one of the first,
00:20:14.460 especially to pursue action
00:20:16.080 in the way
00:20:16.440 that you guys have.
00:20:17.980 Jessica,
00:20:18.320 we have three girls here, 1.00
00:20:19.980 but are there more plaintiffs
00:20:21.640 on the lawsuit
00:20:22.460 and are they across
00:20:24.280 various different sports?
00:20:26.400 Yes,
00:20:26.640 we do have a number
00:20:27.660 of other plaintiffs
00:20:28.880 in actually round
00:20:30.600 about the same sports,
00:20:31.900 all track and field.
00:20:33.600 And honestly,
00:20:34.060 we're looking though
00:20:34.960 for other young girls
00:20:37.000 to step up
00:20:37.600 and do the same thing.
00:20:38.920 And we've also talked
00:20:39.800 to some people in California
00:20:41.080 and some of these other states
00:20:43.360 also that are having
00:20:45.060 the same situation
00:20:46.140 that are really pushing back
00:20:48.380 against this Title IX issue.
00:20:50.340 And if you,
00:20:51.520 you know,
00:20:51.660 if anyone listening to this
00:20:52.860 knows of the situation,
00:20:53.980 please reach out
00:20:54.600 to America First Policy Institute
00:20:56.240 because we'd love
00:20:56.920 to talk to you,
00:20:58.380 hear what's going on
00:20:59.280 and make sure
00:20:59.880 we can stand up
00:21:00.520 for you guys as well.
00:21:02.460 Yeah,
00:21:02.540 it's great to hear
00:21:03.680 you guys are looking
00:21:04.680 at other states too.
00:21:06.020 Of course,
00:21:06.740 we've seen this happen
00:21:07.600 across the nation
00:21:08.620 even since Donald Trump
00:21:10.940 has been back in office.
00:21:12.200 This has happened
00:21:12.680 in California,
00:21:13.740 of course,
00:21:14.060 Oregon,
00:21:14.620 Washington,
00:21:15.180 Minnesota,
00:21:15.920 Maine,
00:21:16.400 the list goes on.
00:21:17.740 So that's really
00:21:18.960 fantastic news here.
00:21:21.960 I guess
00:21:22.900 maybe my last message
00:21:24.860 for,
00:21:25.420 or a question
00:21:25.840 for you girls
00:21:26.900 is kind of like,
00:21:28.400 what,
00:21:28.840 what do you
00:21:29.740 want to happen now?
00:21:31.180 Whether that's
00:21:31.680 from the courts,
00:21:32.420 from the media,
00:21:33.240 from schools,
00:21:34.180 like,
00:21:34.900 is an apology
00:21:35.820 enough for,
00:21:36.940 for you girls?
00:21:38.120 I think what I would say
00:21:39.400 is that
00:21:40.100 something that I've
00:21:41.320 thought about a lot
00:21:42.020 in this whole
00:21:42.900 lawsuit
00:21:43.600 and situation
00:21:44.800 is,
00:21:46.120 I'll,
00:21:46.600 I kind of have,
00:21:47.140 have this thought of,
00:21:48.500 you know,
00:21:48.860 like,
00:21:49.660 how much does it
00:21:50.300 actually matter?
00:21:51.040 You know,
00:21:51.460 like,
00:21:51.760 how important is this?
00:21:53.020 And it's kind of
00:21:53.720 these lies
00:21:54.400 that get fed to me
00:21:55.320 by,
00:21:55.660 by culture
00:21:56.460 and society
00:21:57.120 that say,
00:21:57.580 you know,
00:21:58.020 why this issue?
00:21:58.920 You know,
00:21:59.920 it's not that important.
00:22:01.040 It's just girls sports. 1.00
00:22:02.300 You know,
00:22:02.500 there,
00:22:02.800 there are worse things
00:22:03.500 happening out in the world,
00:22:04.540 but I would encourage
00:22:05.760 other girls 0.95
00:22:06.600 because there are so many
00:22:07.860 hundreds of thousands
00:22:08.720 of other girls
00:22:09.420 across the nation
00:22:10.200 that have experienced
00:22:11.100 what we have
00:22:11.860 that I would encourage
00:22:13.520 you to say,
00:22:13.940 like,
00:22:14.100 your voice does matter
00:22:15.100 and,
00:22:16.020 you know,
00:22:16.240 culture is going to
00:22:17.400 gaslight us
00:22:18.080 and tell us
00:22:18.540 it doesn't matter.
00:22:19.540 You know,
00:22:19.740 you're being hateful, 0.92
00:22:20.640 you're being exclusive,
00:22:21.480 but I think we just
00:22:22.760 have to constantly
00:22:23.460 remind ourselves
00:22:24.280 of the truth
00:22:25.060 that this is important.
00:22:26.780 And for me,
00:22:27.480 at the end of the day,
00:22:28.280 I see it as
00:22:29.000 a justice issue
00:22:30.540 and right from wrong.
00:22:31.880 And so,
00:22:32.560 I think it's good
00:22:33.580 to constantly remember
00:22:34.460 that at the forefront
00:22:35.580 of our minds.
00:22:37.360 It was definitely
00:22:38.500 an honor
00:22:39.600 and super cool
00:22:40.840 for all of us
00:22:41.620 to get invited
00:22:42.380 down to the Capitol
00:22:43.280 and watch that bill
00:22:45.360 get the vote forced.
00:22:47.900 It was amazing
00:22:50.460 to have people
00:22:51.220 representing us
00:22:52.240 and doing those
00:22:54.060 shout outs
00:22:55.020 for what we had done,
00:22:57.140 what we had experienced.
00:22:59.320 It was,
00:23:00.120 it was really cool
00:23:01.780 to hear that,
00:23:02.320 but then it was equally
00:23:03.340 hard to listen
00:23:04.460 to every single
00:23:05.240 Democratic representative
00:23:07.040 vote that
00:23:07.980 what we had to say
00:23:09.180 does not matter.
00:23:11.040 And it's like
00:23:11.980 you were saying,
00:23:12.580 that small minority
00:23:13.680 of just trying
00:23:15.260 to make their voice louder.
00:23:17.920 What I hope
00:23:18.920 to see through this
00:23:19.960 is just change
00:23:21.200 and for the protection
00:23:23.400 of all those girls
00:23:24.400 I think about
00:23:25.120 when I do these things
00:23:26.700 that are a little uncomfortable.
00:23:27.940 I never imagined
00:23:28.780 doing this
00:23:29.720 post pre-track season,
00:23:32.120 but it's truly amazing
00:23:33.660 and I just hope
00:23:34.880 for change
00:23:35.460 to come out of it.
00:23:37.000 Yeah,
00:23:37.380 exactly.
00:23:38.000 Yeah,
00:23:38.280 I'm hoping for change
00:23:39.240 as well.
00:23:39.840 And I just,
00:23:40.780 I like,
00:23:41.740 both the needs
00:23:42.340 I've sat out from,
00:23:43.420 just like what I'm
00:23:43.980 thinking about
00:23:44.640 is my two sisters
00:23:45.760 who are also doing sports
00:23:47.600 and I just think
00:23:48.780 with me leaving to college,
00:23:49.980 they still have to go through
00:23:51.260 so many years
00:23:52.320 of doing sports
00:23:53.180 and I just want this issue
00:23:54.240 to not,
00:23:55.120 like they don't have to deal
00:23:55.940 with this issue
00:23:56.520 when they're in high school
00:23:57.520 or in their middle school
00:23:58.700 and so I think
00:23:59.740 just,
00:24:00.500 I'm just really hoping
00:24:01.180 for change.
00:24:02.580 Yeah,
00:24:03.040 I love that
00:24:03.780 and I loved,
00:24:05.320 Sophie,
00:24:05.480 how you described this
00:24:06.360 as a,
00:24:07.180 like a,
00:24:07.940 it's a matter of justice,
00:24:09.420 that's what you guys
00:24:10.260 are fighting for,
00:24:11.740 which totally debunks
00:24:13.460 the whole,
00:24:14.460 like this issue
00:24:15.700 is polarizing
00:24:16.800 or,
00:24:17.340 you know,
00:24:18.760 very political.
00:24:20.000 It's like a civil rights issue.
00:24:22.280 So to see you guys
00:24:23.400 pushing back
00:24:24.020 in the way that you are,
00:24:25.660 you guys are heroes
00:24:27.320 in my eyes
00:24:28.680 and eyes of
00:24:29.740 90 plus percent
00:24:31.840 of Americans
00:24:32.680 and 100 percent
00:24:33.880 of common sense
00:24:34.740 Americans.
00:24:36.300 Yeah.
00:24:36.400 So very grateful
00:24:37.240 for you guys.
00:24:38.280 Jessica,
00:24:38.740 what's next?
00:24:39.320 I know we have seen
00:24:40.440 in the months
00:24:42.380 leading up to this lawsuit
00:24:43.560 now being dropped,
00:24:44.400 we've seen people
00:24:44.980 like Harmi Dillon
00:24:45.780 who has come out
00:24:46.580 and given great insight
00:24:48.380 on this.
00:24:48.900 So what's kind of
00:24:49.800 the next big step
00:24:50.740 and how can we support
00:24:52.640 AFPI?
00:24:53.820 You mentioned,
00:24:54.480 of course,
00:24:54.840 those people
00:24:55.420 in these states
00:24:56.240 or anywhere across
00:24:57.300 the nation
00:24:57.620 that has had to deal
00:24:58.500 with this issue
00:24:59.260 or is fearful
00:25:00.480 they may have to deal
00:25:01.460 with this issue.
00:25:02.140 Of course,
00:25:02.560 get in touch.
00:25:03.960 You can reach out
00:25:04.500 to me personally.
00:25:05.700 I can put you in touch
00:25:06.560 with AFPI.
00:25:07.720 People like Jessica,
00:25:08.940 they're wonderful
00:25:09.460 representatives
00:25:10.140 and legal representation
00:25:11.740 they have at AFPI
00:25:12.980 but super duper
00:25:14.780 helpful to the cause
00:25:16.000 to have those voices.
00:25:18.020 So what else
00:25:18.880 can we do
00:25:19.180 to help support
00:25:20.380 this lawsuit
00:25:21.240 and more maybe
00:25:22.140 to come?
00:25:23.480 So like you said,
00:25:24.200 Riley,
00:25:24.560 so Trump,
00:25:25.380 when he got in office,
00:25:26.440 he signed that
00:25:27.100 executive order
00:25:27.800 that you were there
00:25:28.560 for in February
00:25:29.680 to say no boys
00:25:32.020 and girls sports.
00:25:32.960 So that was,
00:25:33.640 you know,
00:25:33.960 monumental.
00:25:35.080 And then on top
00:25:35.540 of that,
00:25:35.720 we've had
00:25:36.140 Attorney General
00:25:37.100 Pam Bondi,
00:25:38.000 Harmeet Dillon,
00:25:38.880 who's at the
00:25:39.620 Assistant Attorney General
00:25:40.880 for Civil Rights
00:25:41.780 there at DOJ.
00:25:43.140 They have been
00:25:43.640 very strong on this.
00:25:45.420 Linda McMahon,
00:25:46.180 who's the Secretary
00:25:46.820 of Education,
00:25:47.740 again,
00:25:48.120 has been so strong
00:25:49.180 on this.
00:25:49.560 So we've been working
00:25:50.300 hand in hand
00:25:50.960 with both of them
00:25:51.900 and then obviously
00:25:53.660 filed this lawsuit
00:25:54.760 and that's kind of
00:25:55.440 what we're looking at.
00:25:56.340 We're looking at,
00:25:57.020 you know,
00:25:57.260 taking this lawsuit
00:25:58.140 the full way
00:25:59.160 against the state
00:26:00.160 of Oregon.
00:26:00.920 We're looking at
00:26:01.620 other states.
00:26:02.980 Like Riley said,
00:26:04.280 reach out
00:26:04.940 if you have a case.
00:26:05.780 I think what you
00:26:06.440 heard from all
00:26:07.080 of these girls
00:26:07.740 is, you know,
00:26:08.900 this is so important.
00:26:10.060 I know it seems like
00:26:11.060 maybe it's just a
00:26:11.760 one-off, you know,
00:26:12.640 maybe we should just
00:26:13.340 push it aside
00:26:14.180 in your sport,
00:26:15.140 get on with your life,
00:26:16.220 get on with high school.
00:26:17.300 But honestly,
00:26:18.120 it's looking at
00:26:18.940 those future generations.
00:26:20.120 And I know
00:26:20.740 I'm a mom
00:26:21.640 and Riley,
00:26:22.560 you just had
00:26:23.300 a recent announcement
00:26:24.240 that you're
00:26:24.960 about to be a mom,
00:26:26.520 about to have
00:26:26.920 a baby girl.
00:26:27.700 And these girls 0.99
00:26:29.340 here are these
00:26:29.700 fantastic girls 0.97
00:26:30.900 and they have sisters
00:26:31.800 and one day
00:26:32.700 they'll be moms too.
00:26:34.400 You know,
00:26:34.680 what does high school
00:26:35.640 sports look like
00:26:36.500 in 10 years,
00:26:37.800 in 20 years
00:26:38.560 when we have
00:26:39.140 that next generation
00:26:40.420 growing up?
00:26:41.720 Title IX was enacted
00:26:43.140 about 53 years ago
00:26:44.940 and the women 1.00
00:26:45.980 that fought for it,
00:26:47.620 they would just be
00:26:48.320 shocked at what it's,
00:26:49.500 you know,
00:26:49.680 been whittled down to
00:26:51.260 by the left.
00:26:52.620 This is such a strong,
00:26:54.460 you know,
00:26:54.620 it took so much
00:26:55.560 to get Title IX passed
00:26:56.880 and to have girls
00:26:57.880 be equal in sports,
00:26:59.020 have their own sports
00:27:00.300 to now,
00:27:01.960 you know,
00:27:02.160 just completely erode
00:27:03.360 that in one generation.
00:27:05.880 So that's really
00:27:06.860 what we're fighting for.
00:27:07.980 So like Riley said,
00:27:08.980 reach out to her,
00:27:10.260 reach out to me,
00:27:11.100 Jessica Steinman,
00:27:12.000 I'm at America First
00:27:12.880 Policy Institute.
00:27:14.620 We would love to hear
00:27:15.580 from any of you.
00:27:17.100 Yeah, yeah.
00:27:17.700 Well, that's great.
00:27:19.580 I guess my final
00:27:21.420 clarion call,
00:27:23.440 again,
00:27:23.760 as I expressed
00:27:25.780 to these girls
00:27:27.120 and on this episode,
00:27:28.720 it just breaks my heart
00:27:29.960 that they're the ones
00:27:30.960 left to ultimately
00:27:32.680 take legal action
00:27:35.080 in the way
00:27:35.600 that they so courageously have.
00:27:37.360 So to,
00:27:38.220 my message to everyone,
00:27:39.960 whether you are a student,
00:27:41.080 whether you're
00:27:41.420 a student athlete,
00:27:42.680 I think especially
00:27:43.620 to the parents,
00:27:44.640 to educators,
00:27:45.400 to coaches,
00:27:46.140 like,
00:27:47.060 do your part.
00:27:48.800 Do what you can
00:27:50.120 to prevent this issue
00:27:51.500 from happening,
00:27:52.920 to prevent young girls 1.00
00:27:54.040 like Maddie,
00:27:55.040 Reese,
00:27:55.320 and Sophie
00:27:55.660 from having to deal
00:27:56.560 with this
00:27:57.060 and make the hard decisions.
00:27:59.240 So very,
00:28:00.520 very grateful for you girls.
00:28:01.960 I'm excited to see,
00:28:03.780 of course,
00:28:04.080 where you go in the future,
00:28:05.980 both athletically,
00:28:07.780 academically,
00:28:08.540 what that success
00:28:09.600 looks like for you,
00:28:10.620 but also,
00:28:11.360 of course,
00:28:12.060 as it pertains
00:28:13.020 to the lawsuit
00:28:13.920 and the precedent
00:28:14.900 you guys will be setting
00:28:16.000 for many,
00:28:17.740 many generations
00:28:18.480 to come,
00:28:19.300 like my younger daughter.
00:28:20.260 So very grateful
00:28:21.920 and thank you guys.
00:28:23.720 Thank you.
00:28:24.360 Thank you.
00:28:26.180 Thank you guys
00:28:27.060 for tuning in
00:28:27.700 to the Gains for Girls podcast.
00:28:30.020 As Jessica said,
00:28:31.320 look,
00:28:31.900 reach out to
00:28:32.400 America First Policy Institute.
00:28:34.760 They're legit,
00:28:35.740 by the way.
00:28:36.620 Just about half
00:28:37.800 of the organization,
00:28:39.200 it was formed really
00:28:40.260 when President Trump's
00:28:41.200 first term ended.
00:28:42.820 Basically,
00:28:43.300 this is where
00:28:43.820 all of his cabinet members went.
00:28:45.220 They started this organization
00:28:46.340 doing phenomenal work
00:28:47.660 to make sure
00:28:48.840 that he was elected
00:28:49.760 again,
00:28:50.880 which of course he is,
00:28:52.700 but just about
00:28:54.160 to speak to how
00:28:54.840 incredible these people are,
00:28:56.260 just about half of them
00:28:57.420 went back over
00:28:59.040 to the White House
00:29:00.520 to serve
00:29:01.220 in Trump's cabinet.
00:29:02.400 People like Brooke Rollins,
00:29:03.460 who's the Secretary
00:29:03.960 of Agriculture,
00:29:05.560 people like Linda McMahon,
00:29:07.180 people like Attorney General Bondi,
00:29:08.580 all came from AFPI,
00:29:09.600 so they're very legit,
00:29:10.480 doing fantastic things.
00:29:12.700 Reach out to
00:29:13.720 America First Policy Institute
00:29:15.300 or reach out to me personally
00:29:16.440 and I can help direct you.
00:29:17.660 If this is something
00:29:18.640 you've dealt with
00:29:19.500 or fear you may have
00:29:21.240 to deal with,
00:29:22.220 we would love to put you
00:29:23.580 in contact with someone
00:29:25.440 who can help
00:29:26.060 do something about it.
00:29:28.340 Appreciate you guys.
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