Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - Fighting for Healthcare Freedom with Dr. Mary Talley Bowden

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00:02:18.580 Today's guest, it is Dr. Mary Bowden.

00:02:21.220 She is a board-certified doctor.

00:02:22.780 She's based out of Houston, Texas.

00:02:24.960 She got her degree from Stanford.

00:02:27.120 She completed her residency there.

00:02:28.940 But she gained national attention during COVID, the pandemic, for her outspoken views on vaccine mandates, on alternative treatments, things like ivermectin, when it was not popular to support these things.

00:02:45.120 Again, she opposed the vaccine, the treatments that were being issued by the AMA and the CDC and the FDA.

00:02:51.980 All really amazing things.

00:02:54.280 And following her outspokenness, I mean, she's been sued.

00:02:59.120 She's filed lawsuits. 1.00

00:03:01.260 Following her, she was suspended initially for spreading dangerous misinformation, which is really crazy, given what she was putting out there.

00:03:11.900 Again, about the harms of the vaccine.

00:03:14.120 She then filed a $25 million defamation lawsuit against Houston Methodist, alleging that the hospital's actions damaged her reputation, her practice.

00:03:25.120 So even still to this day, of course, she continues to advocate for medical freedom, for informed consent.

00:03:31.920 Really awesome, important things that support individuals' rights, again, to make informed health care decisions.

00:03:38.820 Very excited for this conversation.

00:03:40.420 Check it out here with Dr. Mary Bowden.

00:03:44.280 Well, Dr. Bowden, thank you so much for joining the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:03:48.480 I am so excited to have you on here.

00:03:51.460 I think, of course, you can provide a lot of insight to my listeners who are typically more plugged in with the gender ideology movement.

00:03:58.360 But I see these two things, the parallels between, of course, the COVID movement, the gender ideology movement.

00:04:04.040 So very briefly, I mean, can you give a little snippet of how you have found yourself with the platform that you now have and how, I mean, you've been labeled as one of America's most critical freedom fighting health care providers?

00:04:16.980 Yeah, it's hard to believe.

00:04:19.780 So I'm a ear, nose and throat doctor in Houston, Texas.

00:04:23.100 And I, you know, I just sort of stumbled into COVID because I had patients coming to me that were sick, that needed help.

00:04:28.740 And I did what I was supposed to do.

00:04:30.720 I tried to help them.

00:04:32.480 And I spoke out publicly because no one was really listening to me.

00:04:37.100 I saw that the vaccinated were getting, were just as sick, if not sicker than the unvaccinated.

00:04:43.760 And Houston Methodist Hospital, where I had privileges, they were the first in the hospital, first in the country to mandate the shots.

00:04:50.540 And this was five months before Biden.

00:04:53.020 So this was April 1st, 2021.

00:04:55.940 They really paved the way for the rest of the country.

00:04:58.680 And so I started speaking out against the mandates on social media, and they did not like that.

00:05:03.620 They went after me very publicly.

00:05:05.060 I found out that my privileges were suspended from a reporter who texted me to ask me to confirm if it was true.

00:05:13.820 And then they went on Twitter and tweeted about me spreading dangerous misinformation.

00:05:19.460 And I just had this onslaught of media come after me after that.

00:05:24.660 You know, it's been quite the journey.

00:05:27.280 I'm still fighting the medical board.

00:05:29.680 They turned me on the medical board.

00:05:31.380 And then three and a half years later, still at it with them.

00:05:36.080 So it's been an interesting ride.

00:05:39.220 To say the least, I'm sure.

00:05:41.020 When you say your privileges were suspended, what does that entail?

00:05:46.140 So hospitals, you can't just walk into a hospital and start treating people.

00:05:50.980 You have to go through a credentialing process.

00:05:52.740 And I had privileges there, meaning that I was allowed to treat patients there.

00:06:00.100 I never used the hospital.

00:06:01.960 So the very loose association, I just had them there as sort of a backup.

00:06:06.420 For them to come after me, it was really a publicity stunt on their part.

00:06:11.120 I was not, you know, really affiliated that much with the hospital.

00:06:15.180 So, but to get a suspension and to have it done in that fashion, to have it is a big deal.

00:06:23.480 I mean, it's a person that I'm not aware of any other hospital ever doing that to a doctor.

00:06:29.140 No, of course.

00:06:30.020 And you were able to, I guess, in the meantime, continue practicing because you operate in a private capacity.

00:06:35.680 Is that right?

00:06:36.220 Yes.

00:06:38.020 So, I mean, I don't, I can't admit any patients to their hospital, but I can, as long as I have a license, I'm allowed to continue to see patients.

00:06:48.400 When I hear that Texas was the first to mandate these requirements, so they call them, again, that shocks me.

00:06:58.560 I think there's a lot of misconceptions of Texas out there.

00:07:01.560 I mean, you have seen firsthand how it's really not as much of a stronghold for conservatism as most people would think.

00:07:10.680 Is that, is that fair to say?

00:07:12.820 Oh, yes.

00:07:13.560 So, I think the mandates, I think it was very purposeful that they started in Texas.

00:07:18.900 I think that they knew if they could get away with the mandates in Texas, they could get away with them anywhere.

00:07:24.060 And, you know, Texas Children's Hospital, where all this gender stuff has gone on, also, no surprise, Texas. 0.87

00:07:31.840 And people don't realize this, but healthcare dominates the Texas economy.

00:07:36.240 We have the largest medical center in the world.

00:07:38.880 So, Texas Medical Center in Houston, where I live, has 61 hospitals and has the largest cancer hospital in the world.

00:07:46.220 It has the largest children's hospital in the world.

00:07:48.340 And it brings in people from all over the place that dilute our values. 1.00

00:07:53.300 And, you know, healthcare professionals traditionally have been more conservative, have voted and supported Republicans.

00:07:59.980 But that has shifted over the last 10 years.

00:08:02.700 And so, now healthcare providers are more likely to be Democrats.

00:08:07.540 And they're really taking over our state.

00:08:10.140 We've followed Dr. Haim very closely and how, I mean, he was essentially a political prisoner for seven months, really until, I mean, even still, of course, he has to deal with a lot of the repercussions that have come from it.

00:08:25.480 But until the Trump administration and the DOJ got involved in his case, you mentioned the shift in the medical community over the past decade or so.

00:08:36.080 So, do you think it's because of what is now being taught in medical schools?

00:08:42.940 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's, I think that's part of it.

00:08:46.060 I think, you know, we were, the medicine used to support independent doctors like myself to a much larger extent.

00:08:54.400 And now it's become very centralized.

00:08:56.260 So, it's unusual, you know, I am very independent.

00:08:59.920 I call myself third party free.

00:09:01.900 I don't contract with insurance companies, hospitals, or the government.

00:09:06.080 But I'm really only in the 1%.

00:09:08.520 So, 77% of doctors work for a hospital, 20% work for private equity or insurance company, and 2% work for the government.

00:09:18.220 So, they're all, it's very centralized.

00:09:22.360 And, you know, that sort of thinking is very, it's more left-leaning.

00:09:28.120 And I think that's a large part of the problem.

00:09:32.240 Yeah.

00:09:32.720 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:09:34.460 So, you were outspoken and critical, of course, of the COVID vaccine, which I'll give you a very brief.

00:09:41.500 Truthfully, this is when I first had my eyes open.

00:09:44.080 I think a lot of people, but me being a young college student at the time, I was a college athlete.

00:09:48.900 I will never forget, being a sophomore in college, I was young, I was healthy, I'd already had COVID at this point, had taken, you know, biology major, chemistry major.

00:10:01.720 So, what I knew to be true were antibodies were the most effective and best form of immunity.

00:10:06.660 And given the fact I'd already had COVID, when the athletic department at University of Kentucky approached me and said, you have to get this vaccine, it naturally didn't sit right with me.

00:10:17.700 So, I kind of pushed back on this and I said, no, I don't have to get this vaccine.

00:10:23.220 They said, well, it's mandatory.

00:10:24.440 I said, well, can you explain what mandatory means?

00:10:26.880 Well, they said, well, we really just mean it's highly suggested.

00:10:30.060 So, that's when, again, another big red flag for me.

00:10:33.560 They tried everything in their power.

00:10:35.340 They told me outright, we're going to make your life miserable if you don't get it.

00:10:39.040 And if you do get it, we'll give you, like, this free Krispy Kreme donut.

00:10:42.100 I don't know.

00:10:42.880 There were so many things that just, it didn't sit right with me.

00:10:47.260 And I think that's where I learned how to say no to authority figures, which, in turn, allowed me to be able to say no in other, I mean, realms of my life that has now led me to where I am.

00:10:59.280 So, you were outspoken of, of course, these mandates and different things.

00:11:02.960 But you've also been a proponent of ivermectin, which has been labeled as this boogeyman drug during COVID and beyond.

00:11:11.400 You couldn't talk about it.

00:11:12.200 You couldn't get it.

00:11:13.520 So, can you tell us, number one, what it is, its benefits, and the legislative push that we have seen recently to make it easier to access across the nation?

00:11:23.700 Yes.

00:11:24.200 And briefly, I do want to talk about what happened with you, because I've heard this from other college athletes, that they didn't, you know, they didn't,

00:11:32.960 kick you off the team, but they made your life miserable if you didn't get it.

00:11:36.400 So, I am curious, did they, did they follow through with that?

00:11:39.880 And, and, you know.

00:11:41.620 So, it was really unique.

00:11:42.320 It was really unique.

00:11:44.060 They had people come in, what they labeled as outside professionals.

00:11:48.040 Again, whatever that means.

00:11:49.440 They didn't tell us how these, these people were qualified as professionals.

00:11:53.360 Didn't tell us any of their credentials, anything like that.

00:11:55.820 But they had these people come in.

00:11:57.420 And I remember specifically, because I was one of the ones who said, no, you can't make me do this, right?

00:12:04.460 They told me, Riley, you're the team captain.

00:12:06.520 You're going to be hurting your team if you don't.

00:12:08.940 And again, they knew I never, I don't want to hurt my team, right?

00:12:12.500 More than I care about my own personal success or the goals that I personally have, I cared about my team.

00:12:17.980 And so, that was, I think, an emotional thing that they tried to do.

00:12:21.080 So, then I remember so specifically, they sat me down.

00:12:24.300 We had a big meet, SEC rivalry, a big meet coming up against University of Alabama.

00:12:29.020 And they sat me down and they said, Riley, if you don't get the vaccine, you won't be able to go to University of Alabama.

00:12:35.660 And again, I called their bluff and I said, that's fine, knowing that I was my university's best swimmer at the time.

00:12:42.080 So, no, I never got the vaccine and I didn't, I got to go to University of Alabama.

00:12:47.600 There were no repercussions, but they made us think that there were, which were why so many people conceded.

00:12:53.560 I did have to, for the rest of my, again, collegiate career.

00:12:57.080 So, for two years, have to get tested every single week where they shoved, you know, a Q-tip basically to my brain.

00:13:05.340 I still had to wear my mask.

00:13:07.820 You could basically wear it as like a chin diaper.

00:13:09.900 There weren't really requiring you to wear it over your nose and mouth.

00:13:13.900 I had to wear it in the weight room.

00:13:15.440 I had to wear it in class.

00:13:16.560 Certain classes made me wear two masks because I wasn't vaccinated.

00:13:20.200 But outside of, again, the nonsensical, I mean, mandates that came with the contact tracing and all of that stuff, social distancing, the mask, there were no repercussions that they said they were going to have.

00:13:33.900 It was all a farce, a total facade that so many people fell for.

00:13:39.100 Did you have any teammates that also stood up or were you the only one?

00:13:42.960 So, of my team of 40 girls, I think there were two of us. 0.60

00:13:49.100 There were two of us.

00:13:50.520 And, again, it was a convenience thing.

00:13:53.620 It wasn't because we believed it.

00:13:55.880 We thought we had to have it to live long, healthy lives.

00:13:59.380 It's because they made our lives hard if we did it.

00:14:03.360 Like so many Americans faced.

00:14:04.700 That wasn't just us.

00:14:05.620 That wasn't just college athletes or college students.

00:14:08.120 I mean, that was the reality of health care providers or U.S. military members or school teachers.

00:14:14.140 Right?

00:14:14.340 They told you you'd lose your job if you didn't get it.

00:14:17.440 And in some cases, they followed up.

00:14:19.080 Some cases, they didn't.

00:14:21.200 But I think it goes to, I mean, speaks to knowing your rights as well.

00:14:25.440 I knew this word mandatory didn't mean mandatory.

00:14:28.140 And, again, I came to that conclusion when they said we'll give you a Krispy Kreme, a free Krispy Kreme donut if you get it.

00:14:34.480 That was such a red flag to me.

00:14:36.140 I couldn't understand why everyone didn't see it how I did.

00:14:39.060 Like, no one's going to offer you free things for getting this free vaccine.

00:14:43.240 Like, it just didn't make sense in my head.

00:14:45.840 Well, good for you.

00:14:47.440 It's very impressive.

00:14:48.580 I don't know at your age if I would have been that strong.

00:14:51.360 So I'm very impressed.

00:14:52.260 But even after that, I'll tell you, we still dealt with the hardships that came with the vaccine because I married an immigrant from England.

00:15:02.840 He came over to the United States in 2018.

00:15:06.040 We met in college.

00:15:07.300 He was an athlete as well.

00:15:08.300 We, you know, started dating, got married.

00:15:11.220 Next month will be three years of marriage.

00:15:13.420 And under the previous administration, they would not give him his green card because he wasn't willing to get the COVID vaccine.

00:15:20.060 So praise God that Donald Trump got in.

00:15:22.840 And on day two in office, he vacated nationwide the mandate that would require legal immigrants to get the COVID vaccine.

00:15:30.300 But we dealt with that for, I mean, for three years, basically, of fighting back against USCIS immigration services under the previous administration.

00:15:40.960 Yeah, I tried to write some exemptions for those situations.

00:15:43.980 And apparently they were very hard to get through.

00:15:47.360 Even, you know, even if a medical doctor writes you an exemption, they didn't always take it.

00:15:52.400 I mean, did you have to just employ stall tactics or what?

00:15:55.520 How did that work?

00:15:56.320 Yeah, it's so funny you say that because when I talk about this, so many people, again, people on the left who suddenly are in favor of mass deportation say that my husband needs to be deported and I need to be deported with him for harboring an illegal.

00:16:12.400 He was never here illegally.

00:16:13.680 Of course, there are other ways to maintain residency, like advanced parole or visas.

00:16:19.340 So he was here legally the entire time, but it was you had to keep applying for extensions.

00:16:24.800 Of course, you have to have an immigration lawyer, which cost us in total about 15 grand.

00:16:30.160 It restricted travel.

00:16:32.140 Again, given his family is all still in Europe, we weren't able to travel and go see them because there was no guarantee at this point we'd be allowed back into the country.

00:16:42.200 Again, under the Biden-Harris administration.

00:16:45.600 So I think Donald Trump gets this bad rep of being, you know, anti-immigration.

00:16:51.600 He made it easier for my immigrant husband to live here in this country.

00:16:56.240 It was virtually impossible under the previous administration had change not been made.

00:17:02.920 So that along with, again, working, of course, when you don't have a green card here in this country, again, still here legally, it made our lives really hard.

00:17:11.960 Because he wasn't willing to get the vaccine.

00:17:14.340 And I'm so grateful now, of course, that my husband was just unwilling to compromise on his health in that way.

00:17:22.260 He married the right guy.

00:17:24.600 I did.

00:17:25.500 I did.

00:17:26.400 And I'm reminded of it every day.

00:17:28.660 He's a good one, for sure.

00:17:30.180 It's a litmus test.

00:17:32.440 It is.

00:17:33.060 How people responded to that situation.

00:17:34.540 And I think so many people now are kind of kicking themselves, right?

00:17:39.300 Like, I can't believe I did that, right?

00:17:41.660 People who are very staunch conservatives, if that's what, you know, the kind of categories we're placing here, who realize now, if this were to happen again, they wouldn't adhere.

00:17:53.900 But I agree with you.

00:17:54.760 So I think we learn very quickly.

00:17:57.500 I'm very involved in the legislative world of Texas.

00:18:02.160 And to see some people who, I mean, who are dear friends of mine, people I love, people like Governor Abbott, truthfully, who are a little slow on the COVID stuff.

00:18:11.340 It was really shocking to me.

00:18:13.160 And I think if it were to happen again, we wouldn't see that same hesitation.

00:18:17.980 But I do agree it was a bit of an eye-opener.

00:18:21.740 Yeah.

00:18:22.460 Yeah.

00:18:23.500 The whole conservative thing in Texas in regards to COVID, I mean, so many people just want to move on and act like nothing happened.

00:18:30.720 And it's very frustrating.

00:18:32.700 And it's interesting in Texas, the House is so divided between, in the conservatives, the ones who are true conservatives and the ones who say they are.

00:18:44.440 It's just blatantly obvious.

00:18:46.620 It's interesting.

00:18:48.740 Yeah.

00:18:49.180 No, it is.

00:18:49.860 And once you're involved and you kind of have the veil lifted, it's hard to unsee.

00:18:54.180 But back to ivermectin, again, it's been described as, well, historically, it's been known to be like a horse dewormer.

00:19:04.180 People say to me all the time, when I promote ivermectin and when I speak to its benefits, they say, you know, you're promoting drugs that are used on farm animals.

00:19:14.940 Again, can you just tell us its benefits and what you've seen in your profession and how it's helped people in COVID and, again, outside of COVID?

00:19:22.220 Yeah, so the FDA branded ivermectin as horse medicine.

00:19:27.420 They put out that tweet, the attractive healthcare worker nuzzling the horse. 0.50

00:19:32.100 And it said, seriously, y'all, you're not a horse.

00:19:34.300 You're not a cow.

00:19:34.900 Stop it.

00:19:35.900 And so that little tweet went viral.

00:19:38.160 It had dire consequences.

00:19:40.380 I actually sued them over that and we won and they had to take their misinformation down.

00:19:46.040 But unfortunately, it's been branded, right?

00:19:48.040 So everybody has that image and that association in their head.

00:19:54.220 I believe the FDA needs to come out and correct that and make a statement about the safety and efficacy.

00:20:02.780 It's safer than Tylenol.

00:20:04.480 I mean, before I started using it, I really dug into the safety because I was worried.

00:20:08.780 I wasn't sure if it was going to work, but I certainly didn't want to hurt somebody.

00:20:11.960 And so I went to the FDA's website.

00:20:14.780 I looked at the study that got it approved by the FDA and there's all sorts of toxicity data in there.

00:20:21.060 Something called the LD50 or lethal dose 50 is a benchmark number that we use.

00:20:26.400 The higher the number, the lower the toxicity.

00:20:30.400 The LD50 of ivermectin is super high.

00:20:33.040 It's a lot higher than what we're prescribing for COVID.

00:20:35.980 So once I was assured it was safe, then I started using it and found that it really did work.

00:20:43.220 And I'd been using monoclonal antibodies, but the government took those away.

00:20:47.400 So they did that in conjunction with mandating the COVID shots.

00:20:50.500 And in September, October 2021, I didn't mandate the shots.

00:20:56.280 All of a sudden, monoclonal antibodies went away.

00:20:59.360 And so I really started relying heavily on ivermectin and was a little bit worried that it wasn't going to live up to the hype.

00:21:05.980 But it did.

00:21:07.020 I was able to treat thousands of people successfully.

00:21:10.300 And people that got the early treatment survived.

00:21:14.560 It's a shame that what has happened has become so politicized.

00:21:18.460 I don't think I've ever heard of a medication where they've had to pass laws like this across the country to get it over the counter.

00:21:26.240 It's unbelievable.

00:21:27.580 But yeah, I think there are three states now that have made it over the counter.

00:21:31.540 Tennessee, Arkansas.

00:21:33.140 Yesterday, Idaho became the third state.

00:21:35.980 And then there are 13 or 14 states that have bills to make it over the counter.

00:21:43.620 It's interesting to see what will happen.

00:21:46.000 I'm a very proud Tennessean where we were the first state to do such.

00:21:51.080 So very exciting stuff happening there.

00:21:53.060 And yeah, to your point, I think there's 14 now that have introduced legislation.

00:21:59.100 Some states, it just, I mean, it won't go anywhere.

00:22:01.440 I mean, I think there were states on there like New Hampshire and Maine.

00:22:05.820 And of course, it will be very hard to do there in those states now as it stands.

00:22:11.260 But it sets a good precedent.

00:22:12.780 Put people on the record.

00:22:14.060 Do they believe in health care freedom or do they not?

00:22:17.320 I don't think it will pass in Texas.

00:22:18.840 Which is amazing.

00:22:21.620 Well, remarkable in every sense of the word, I guess.

00:22:25.360 That again, Texas is, I mean, historically, Texas has led on things like the heartbeat bill

00:22:30.640 and, you know, other things that have really put our culture in a chokehold.

00:22:36.060 But here we are where, again, people are scared two years, three years now, more than past COVID,

00:22:45.500 really the height of COVID.

00:22:47.080 And they're still not willing to what I would describe as putting Americans in our health

00:22:53.820 and our safety first.

00:22:55.060 What about, one thing I've learned from you specifically is about the childhood vaccine schedule.

00:23:06.060 I mean, I have been so shocked to see some of these stats that you've put out about kids

00:23:10.400 and how many vaccines they're receiving by, you know, 12 years old or even one years old

00:23:15.900 as it pertains to the COVID shot.

00:23:18.840 Beyond that, I mean, can you just very briefly touch on, again, maybe some of the shocking

00:23:24.840 childhood vaccine stats that you have?

00:23:30.880 Yeah, so the CDC recommends that all babies get three COVID shots by the time they're nine

00:23:36.000 months old.

00:23:36.520 That is on the pediatric vaccine schedule.

00:23:39.240 And they're not even fully FDA approved for that age.

00:23:42.360 They're still under emergency use authorization for these babies.

00:23:45.860 So it's completely insane.

00:23:48.060 And on the CDC's website, they have a vaccine tracker.

00:23:51.700 So you can see what, you know, how many people have gotten these shots, 12.8% of American

00:23:57.400 children, which is about 9 million children, have gotten the latest version of the COVID

00:24:02.800 shot.

00:24:03.400 So this is not over.

00:24:04.760 Everybody thinks, oh, well, no one's getting these shots anymore.

00:24:07.740 We don't, you know, we can just push this aside.

00:24:10.260 It is not the case.

00:24:12.940 And adults are still getting them.

00:24:15.520 60 million adults have gotten the latest version of the COVID shot.

00:24:20.360 They have six mRNA shots under phase three testings.

00:24:26.600 They're about to be released onto the market.

00:24:29.100 So this is not over, which is why I continue to be vocal.

00:24:34.060 So it's amazing.

00:24:36.040 How often do you hear horror stories?

00:24:39.440 I mean, I'm sure you see them, but I would imagine you hear them.

00:24:43.560 I mean, I would, again, I would think on a daily basis from parents, from, again, people

00:24:49.200 who are now experiencing the long-term effects of these COVID vaccines.

00:24:54.260 Every day, unfortunately, every day.

00:24:56.600 And one case that really sticks out in my mind, and you reminded me, is a kid that died who

00:25:06.400 was at University of Alabama on the baseball team.

00:25:10.140 And he was coerced into getting the shot.

00:25:14.460 His parents didn't want him to.

00:25:16.840 He resisted for a long time.

00:25:19.580 He succumbed to it.

00:25:21.120 And then he just died on his sofa.

00:25:23.620 Davis Heller.

00:25:24.340 I interviewed his dad.

00:25:26.700 Just tragic.

00:25:28.280 I mean, I've met so many parents whose children have just died, dropped dead from these shots.

00:25:35.160 It's horrifying.

00:25:36.880 In my own practice, I tracked the number of people that were coming to see me.

00:25:41.440 In the first two years following the shots, 7% of my new patients were coming to see me

00:25:47.020 for these chronic, severe problems directly related to the COVID shots.

00:25:53.100 I've never seen anything like it with any other product on the market.

00:25:56.880 Like if this were a new antibiotic and we were seeing what we were seeing, it would have

00:26:01.380 been yanked off the market a long time ago.

00:26:04.600 Clearly, this is a protected drug, a protected vaccine, and under special privileges.

00:26:13.040 And a protected man who pushed the vaccine.

00:26:18.900 I mean, what was your initial reaction when Joe Biden preemptively pardoned Anthony Fauci?

00:26:26.640 Par for the course.

00:26:28.060 I mean, none of this is fair.

00:26:30.640 None of this is playing out the way it should.

00:26:34.140 It's just par.

00:26:35.020 I'm just, you know, what is she?

00:26:37.440 Not even shocking at this point.

00:26:39.080 Right.

00:26:39.320 Not even shocking.

00:26:41.200 It would have been more shocking had that not happened.

00:26:44.560 Right.

00:26:45.100 Right.

00:26:46.240 So still to this day, again, in the year 2025, I mean, what risk do you still face for treating

00:26:53.080 patients, especially COVID patients, the way that you do?

00:26:57.960 I think less risk.

00:26:59.460 I don't worry about that at all.

00:27:01.420 I mean, when I look back at some of my notes, every time I prescribed ivermectin, in my notes,

00:27:07.180 I would document that I discuss risk-benefit alternatives.

00:27:10.280 I discuss the vaccines, I guess, a legal protection, which normally you don't do when you prescribe

00:27:16.200 a medicine.

00:27:16.620 You do that for surgery or some sort of procedure.

00:27:19.460 But normally, if you prescribe a medicine, you don't document that, you know, you discussed

00:27:24.320 all that.

00:27:26.320 Now, yeah.

00:27:27.420 I mean, at this point, I feel like, just take my license.

00:27:32.100 I don't really, yeah.

00:27:34.160 I don't think about it at all.

00:27:36.760 In fact, I've decided when it comes time to retire, I'm going to go down in a blaze of

00:27:42.580 glory and I'm going to put a billboard next to Texas Children's saying free exemptions

00:27:48.920 and just let them take me down.

00:27:53.900 I think that's quite the way to go.

00:27:56.400 You mentioned your license.

00:27:59.000 It reminds me, truthfully, in college, I got a minor in health law.

00:28:06.100 And of course, with that, it comes with all of the healthcare ethics courses and all the

00:28:11.300 things.

00:28:11.840 And I remember very specifically learning about the Hippocratic Oath, right?

00:28:16.880 First, do no harm.

00:28:18.720 I mean, do you feel like medical institutions like the AMA, like the APA, et cetera, are still

00:28:25.920 adhering to this sacred oath?

00:28:30.320 Well, clearly not.

00:28:32.280 I mean, you cannot mandate a medical intervention and call that ethical or abiding by the Hippocratic

00:28:38.800 Oath.

00:28:39.400 And I think that we need a constitutional amendment to protect all Americans from any medical mandate

00:28:46.300 going forward.

00:28:48.520 You think about the shots that you have to give your kids to go to school.

00:28:53.300 I had never really considered how unethical that is until COVID came along.

00:28:58.600 I just went along with it.

00:29:00.000 But it's not ethical to force somebody to get shots in order to go to school.

00:29:05.880 And we need to correct that and learn from what happened during COVID with these COVID shot

00:29:12.500 mandates.

00:29:14.360 Absolutely.

00:29:15.480 Absolutely.

00:29:16.300 Last thing for you.

00:29:17.240 I know you have an upcoming hearing surrounding a patient of yours and a situation that you

00:29:23.340 were involved in.

00:29:24.240 So can you just give us a little background on this hearing and maybe what's next for you?

00:29:31.100 So I tried to help a patient who was dying.

00:29:33.940 He was in the ICU.

00:29:35.460 He'd been there for a month.

00:29:37.020 They were talking hospice and his wife wanted him to try ivermectin and the hospital refused.

00:29:42.700 So she decided to sue them.

00:29:44.280 And she reached out to me to be the expert and to be the prescribing doctor.

00:29:49.540 And the lawyers involved in this, they did 189 cases throughout the country.

00:29:56.160 So they had their way of doing this.

00:29:58.400 Basically, we won the case in that the hospital was ordered to grant me temporary emergency

00:30:05.300 privileges, which during COVID was a same day process.

00:30:08.680 Normally, when you get privileges, it's quite a drawn out procedure, takes months.

00:30:15.400 It's, you know, you got to get all this information.

00:30:18.040 But during COVID, because everything was an emergency situation, they would approve you the

00:30:23.340 same day, as long as you had, you know, nothing glaringly obvious.

00:30:27.800 And I had a clean record, never been sued for malpractice.

00:30:31.420 But they put me through all, you know, they made me submit a surgical caseload.

00:30:36.060 They made me get letters of recommendation that I got it done.

00:30:39.540 And then they still refused to give me privileges.

00:30:41.760 And they went back to the judge.

00:30:43.260 There's all this back and forth.

00:30:44.320 And it was, you know, it was confusing.

00:30:46.940 And I'd never been in this situation before.

00:30:50.280 Lawyers gave me the green light.

00:30:51.940 So we're good.

00:30:52.760 You can send the nurse now.

00:30:54.680 So the nurse shows up at the hospital. 0.91

00:30:57.200 She's greeted by the police and the hospital administrator.

00:31:01.000 She doesn't barge into the ICU.

00:31:02.580 She leaves.

00:31:03.280 It's calm.

00:31:04.020 There's no scene.

00:31:05.120 But they turned me to the medical board for sending a nurse to the hospital because 1.00

00:31:08.760 they said I didn't have privileges.

00:31:10.980 So that was three and a half years ago.

00:31:14.320 And they I've been waiting for a hearing.

00:31:17.080 I had a very it's called a settlement conference, which is behind closed doors.

00:31:22.380 And I didn't like what they were offering me.

00:31:24.620 So I thought that I've been waiting for my hearing.

00:31:27.440 Well, they just got awarded summary judgment against me.

00:31:30.900 So I don't get a hearing.

00:31:32.120 But what's coming up is decide how guilty I am, how much punishment they want to give me.

00:31:38.660 And then I plan on appealing just because I don't want to mark on my record over this.

00:31:44.900 It's so Orwellian when you describe it that way.

00:31:49.760 Oh, crazy stuff.

00:31:51.040 Well, we'll be we'll be following.

00:31:52.720 Of course, I'll amplify your your story, what you've got going on at every chance I can.

00:31:57.580 So really appreciate you.

00:31:59.280 So, as you know, it's rare to have people stand up for what so many know to be true.

00:32:06.640 And again, in this case, safe.

00:32:09.700 But you doing that, I mean, you've opened the eyes of so many, including even me.

00:32:14.580 So thank you very much, Dr. Bode.

00:32:16.440 And I'm very grateful for you.

00:32:18.100 Well, thanks, Riley.

00:32:19.200 Thanks for having me on.

00:32:21.240 Thank you guys for tuning in to the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:32:23.880 Her ex account is BreatheMD.

00:32:26.260 That's the name of her her private practice. 0.87

00:32:28.760 You should follow her.

00:32:29.560 Again, I've learned so much things that I think most Americans don't know.

00:32:33.960 Right.

00:32:34.280 Naturally, you're not overly tuned in on these things in the mainstream media isn't reporting them.

00:32:39.480 So, again, her ex account is BreatheMD.

00:32:42.440 Thank you guys.

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