Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - October 20, 2023


Holding the NCAA Accountable with Sen. Josh Hawley


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Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Missouri) questions NCAA President Charlie Baker during a Senate Judiciary hearing. Senator Hawley questions Baker about women in the locker room, the policies that govern them, and why they should be allowed to swim with women.

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00:00:00.540 Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line, but first...
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00:00:18.040 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast. We have a special guest this week. Earlier this week, there was a Senate Judiciary hearing surrounding name, image, and likeness.
00:00:37.200 And on this hearing, they had President Charlie Baker. And when I say president, I mean the president of the NCAA. He was implemented back in March.
00:00:46.260 And this was really his first time being under oath, publicly asked a lot of questions that I think deserve to be answered.
00:00:55.540 And one, our guest today, Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri, he asked him those tough questions.
00:01:01.480 He asked him about the locker room, the policies that are in place.
00:01:04.780 And so super excited to have him on and couldn't be more grateful for his leadership and how he's willing and ready to stand with women.
00:01:12.920 And so check out the interview with Senator Josh Hawley.
00:01:16.260 I wanted to thank you for your line of questioning, for the questions that you asked, how you so thoughtfully pursued what you did.
00:01:24.000 I wanted to just kind of really broadly ask you at first what you thought of his answers.
00:01:30.540 And I'll tell you what I thought. First, I thought it was incredibly disingenuous.
00:01:35.380 I was pretty unimpressed and I thought it was unsatisfactory.
00:01:39.580 But I want to get your thoughts.
00:01:41.660 Well, I think you nailed it. And it's great to be on with you, Riley.
00:01:44.200 Thank you so much for having me on.
00:01:45.500 And thank you for your incredible, bold stand for women, for sports and all of the above.
00:01:51.700 It's amazing. And, yeah, you know, I thought to Charlie Baker, he hemmed and he hawed.
00:01:55.980 He first tried to blame his predecessor.
00:01:57.960 I wasn't there. And then he said, you know, a bunch of mealy mouth.
00:02:02.360 Maybe we maybe we made some mistakes.
00:02:04.460 He wouldn't quite. So then I tried to nail him down and say, well, what's your policy now?
00:02:07.860 That was my question.
00:02:08.520 Are you still forcing women to accept biological men in their locker rooms without their consent?
00:02:14.880 And then he said, well, no, I mean, we probably wouldn't do it that way again.
00:02:20.940 And, you know, I'm just like, listen, you're the head of the NCAA.
00:02:23.420 I mean, spit it out. Just say you were wrong.
00:02:26.340 What you did was wrong.
00:02:27.880 What you did threatens the safety of women everywhere.
00:02:31.680 And just tell us the truth. Are you doing it now or not?
00:02:34.000 And the fact that, Riley, I mean, you know this better than everybody.
00:02:36.140 But the fact that under oath, these guys cannot tell the truth and will not talk about it really, I think, says everything.
00:02:43.640 It's extraordinary.
00:02:45.000 Of course. And speaking of his predecessor, Mark Emmert, who is the president of the NCAA,
00:02:50.880 I will never forget publicly after the week or so following that NCAA championships in 2022,
00:02:57.120 again, where Thomas was allowed to compete in the women's category after three years of competing against the men being mediocre at best. 0.89
00:03:03.100 We all know the story. The weeks following, Mark Emmert released a statement and it says word for word.
00:03:09.280 It says, I unequivocally stand in my decision to allow Leah Thomas to swim with the women because it's based in evolving science, 0.68
00:03:16.220 which I just think is comical to use those terms.
00:03:18.840 But I say that to say I saw Mark Emmert at this conference where they were announcing NCAA woman of the year,
00:03:25.200 which I was nominated for, which is the most it's the most prestigious honor for collegiate female athletes.
00:03:29.740 But Leah Thomas was also nominated for NCAA woman of the year.
00:03:34.600 But anyways, I see Mark Emmert at this conference.
00:03:37.040 I approach him and he says, thank you for doing what you're doing.
00:03:39.900 Keep fighting. Keep pushing.
00:03:42.480 And the audacity to say that as if he's not the one we're fighting.
00:03:46.200 And so I was super excited.
00:03:47.980 I'll say when when there was a new president, Charlie Baker, he was, you know, put in place back in March is when he assumed his position.
00:03:55.140 And I thought he was someone who considered all viewpoints and considered fairness and these these different aspects.
00:04:01.640 But clearly that wasn't the case.
00:04:03.500 And so going off that, Senator Lee asked a question and he said, you know, do has anyone apologized to Riley and the other female athletes who were at that meet?
00:04:13.520 And he's, you know, well, same line of answering response, you know, well, I wasn't there, so I don't know.
00:04:19.920 And I don't defend it.
00:04:20.740 And he says, that's not what I was asking.
00:04:22.400 Has anyone apologized?
00:04:24.540 And I agree that it was totally cowardly to to not take that opportunity to ensue an apology.
00:04:33.080 And so do you think he owes an apology and really to who?
00:04:36.340 Who is he who should he be apologizing to?
00:04:39.100 Well, he does owe an apology.
00:04:40.300 He owes an apology to you and to female athletes everywhere, but particularly those who the NCAA put into this position.
00:04:46.980 I mean, your testimony to the Senate was so powerful because you laid it out.
00:04:50.380 And that's why I read it to him when I didn't want him to wheeze.
00:04:53.360 I'm not sure.
00:04:54.380 I love to just read it to you.
00:04:55.820 You know, there's the testimony.
00:04:57.020 You forced a biological man into the women's locker room. 1.00
00:05:00.140 You didn't tell them you didn't ask for their consent and you sure as heck didn't get their consent.
00:05:05.680 So if you think that that was wrong and he now acts like, oh, well, maybe we made a mistake.
00:05:10.080 Say that man up.
00:05:11.600 Say it.
00:05:11.960 We made a mistake.
00:05:12.700 That was wrong.
00:05:13.500 I apologize for it.
00:05:14.680 And then the best thing would be we're not going to do it again.
00:05:17.720 No more of this like, well, we defer to to the individual sports.
00:05:22.100 That was the line he tried.
00:05:23.240 He sort of evolved to yesterday.
00:05:24.540 Well, it's up to the individual.
00:05:26.280 Listen, is there an NCAA policy?
00:05:28.380 Yes or no.
00:05:28.820 And if there isn't, there should be.
00:05:30.240 And the policy should be that biological men are not in women's locker rooms. 1.00
00:05:34.720 This shouldn't be hard.
00:05:37.380 So the fact, once again, that these guys cannot just come up and give straight, honest answers
00:05:43.680 tells you everything.
00:05:44.980 They don't want to talk about it.
00:05:46.160 And the other thing, Riley, is, as you know from experience, they resent being asked about it.
00:05:51.120 You could tell.
00:05:52.020 He presented being put on the spot.
00:05:53.780 It's almost as if, oh, how dare you ask me about this?
00:05:56.780 Because they sure as heck didn't have any problem forcing you to have a man in your locker room. 1.00
00:06:01.620 They had no issue with that.
00:06:03.060 And like, but they don't like to be asked about it.
00:06:05.080 I mean, come on.
00:06:06.360 Come on.
00:06:06.840 No, of course they don't.
00:06:08.520 I'm sure he was heavily coached on how to weasel out of any situation regarding that yesterday.
00:06:14.040 And the thing that blows my mind, Charlie Baker has a daughter who's my age, who plays sports.
00:06:20.720 And it's the same thing we see among both the U.S. House and the Senate.
00:06:25.420 We see typically these Democrats voting.
00:06:28.520 Well, actually, in the U.S. House, entirely falling on party lines of Democrats voting in
00:06:34.040 opposition of protecting women's sports, which is ironic.
00:06:37.520 It would be comical if there weren't real effects and if it wasn't reality.
00:06:43.660 And so I guess my question is, do you do you think these people really think this?
00:06:48.260 Your colleagues?
00:06:49.320 I mean, do you think especially the ones with young daughters like Charlie Baker?
00:06:53.160 Do you think they really are OK with their daughters undressing in locker rooms with grown
00:06:59.340 men exposing themselves?
00:07:01.200 Really?
00:07:02.420 Yeah, good question.
00:07:03.100 I suspect that if it were their daughters, then it'd be a different story.
00:07:08.620 But, you know, they are they're certainly happy to vote for it.
00:07:11.980 As you said, they're happy to go out there and talk as if it's a matter of justice.
00:07:16.020 What I don't understand is, is why is it a matter of justice for women to have their sports 1.00
00:07:19.300 eliminated?
00:07:19.980 I mean, is it run that by me again?
00:07:21.400 I mean, we have we've heard all this talk for all these years about how we need to have
00:07:25.360 parity in women's sports, which is absolutely true. 1.00
00:07:27.300 We have Title IX, which is supposed to guarantee women access at the collegiate level and elsewhere 0.96
00:07:32.740 to sports.
00:07:33.440 And now these people are bulldozing that.
00:07:35.620 They're saying that if you're a woman, you know, hey, sorry. 0.89
00:07:38.680 I mean, you have to accept the men in the sport.
00:07:40.660 You have to accept the men in the locker room.
00:07:42.180 And we're all supposed to be fine with it.
00:07:43.960 And to your point, if you're not fine with it and you speak out, they come after you
00:07:47.480 and they say that they call you every name of the book.
00:07:50.160 You're a discriminator. 1.00
00:07:51.060 You're a fascist. 1.00
00:07:51.900 You're blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.98
00:07:52.640 I mean, so to me, either you are for women's sports and basic common sense or you're not.
00:08:00.820 And I just go back to the fact they know that this is crazy stuff.
00:08:05.240 That's why they don't want to talk about it.
00:08:06.980 That's why Charlie Baker didn't want to answer questions about it, because he knows it sounds
00:08:10.500 insane to come out of your mouth like, yeah, I think it's fine to have biological men in 1.00
00:08:15.800 a woman's locker room and force the women to change in front of them. 1.00
00:08:18.880 That's nuts.
00:08:20.120 Like 98 percent of people think that's nuts.
00:08:22.120 And yet they're doing it.
00:08:23.720 So they should have the guts to defend it or change the policy.
00:08:28.120 Exactly.
00:08:28.960 And that was something he mentioned yesterday was, you know, we care about the safety and
00:08:33.780 security.
00:08:34.280 Those are the words he used.
00:08:35.220 We care about the safety and security of all of our student athletes.
00:08:39.500 Well, speaking from experience, they certainly didn't care about our safety or our security
00:08:43.660 or our privacy or dignity or equal opportunities.
00:08:46.900 But you took the initiative here.
00:08:49.620 Of course, as you said, he responded with, well, we don't really I don't really know what
00:08:53.780 the policy is.
00:08:54.540 That's how I took you know, we don't I don't think this is what we would use now in regard
00:08:58.760 to the locker room.
00:08:59.520 But that to me, it sounds like he doesn't know what the policy is.
00:09:02.060 He doesn't know what it should be.
00:09:03.220 And so you took the initiative and you sent over a list of questions, seven, eight or
00:09:08.500 so questions, which I thought were so perfect.
00:09:11.440 And again, these questions were about the policies, both the ones that are already in
00:09:15.340 place and the future of what these policies look like in the locker room, the competition
00:09:19.340 aspect, even the silencing pieces from outside corporations and public opposition and different
00:09:27.220 things, which I just thought was awesome.
00:09:29.140 And so you included at the end, you said, I'll await your responses.
00:09:33.120 And so I want you to know that I am also awaiting.
00:09:36.580 Do we have any kind of timeline of when we would potentially expect an answer by?
00:09:42.660 You know, I'm going to also, Riley, do this thing where we submit the questions.
00:09:45.940 And because he testified in front of the Senate, we can give him written questions, which are
00:09:51.440 just as if it's as if he's still under oath and he has to answer them.
00:09:54.400 So that's what I'm going to do here.
00:09:55.520 So they're going to be official questions for the record.
00:09:57.780 His answers will go into the congressional record because, you know, no more weaseling
00:10:02.280 around him.
00:10:02.860 And as you said yesterday, it was a lot of, oh, I don't know.
00:10:04.880 I'm not sure.
00:10:05.380 Let me get back to you.
00:10:06.160 OK, fine.
00:10:06.740 Here's your chance.
00:10:08.040 Let's get this on the record.
00:10:09.280 What's the policy?
00:10:10.340 What are you going to do?
00:10:11.380 Do you really think that there should be female sports? 0.99
00:10:14.260 I mean, just answer us, yes or no, and tell us what you're doing to protect women.
00:10:18.380 We're going to get these answers hopefully in the next few weeks.
00:10:21.180 And I can assure you, as soon as we get them, we will put them out there.
00:10:24.780 They will be official.
00:10:25.760 They will be on the record.
00:10:26.680 I'll make them public.
00:10:27.980 And I frankly can't wait to see what he says.
00:10:30.360 I mean, this shouldn't be hard.
00:10:31.280 It could be easy.
00:10:31.840 You should be able to sit there and read us in two minutes.
00:10:33.720 Right.
00:10:34.020 But clearly the folks at the bureaucrats at the NCAA are just scared out of their minds
00:10:39.020 to talk about basic truth here.
00:10:41.460 So we'll see.
00:10:42.700 But we're going to put them on the record.
00:10:44.820 Well, I love it.
00:10:45.780 I think while you're at it and sending him these questions, I think you should send him
00:10:49.520 a copy of your new book, Manhood, The Masculine Virtue America Needs.
00:10:54.580 I told you off camera, I read the book.
00:10:56.960 I think it's incredible.
00:10:58.120 I think it's something that every person, of course, every man needs to read.
00:11:02.440 Because what we're seeing is we have weak leaders.
00:11:04.840 We have spineless cowards with no backbone who are willing to throw their moral compass 0.93
00:11:09.620 entirely out of the window if it means being seen as virtuous or kind or inclusive or compassionate 0.94
00:11:16.140 or whatever other word they want to use.
00:11:18.760 And so throw that in there while you're at it.
00:11:21.800 I appreciate you.
00:11:24.540 Again, I know you're slammed.
00:11:25.840 And so I wanted to keep it brief.
00:11:26.960 But thank you for everything that you do and how you stand with women.
00:11:31.460 Oh, thank you so much, Riley.
00:11:32.540 It's been a privilege to be with you.
00:11:35.220 Like I mentioned, I think Charlie Baker needs to learn a thing or two about manhood.
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