Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - September 13, 2025


Inside the Ways Nonprofits and Schools BETRAY Female Athletes

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map of Title IX violations
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Trump Allie Moray Gains Defender Schmidt
Weaponizing the DOJ？ Sen. Eric Schmitt Exposes Biden’s Lawfare Sisters Benched for Speaking Out： Title IX Locker Room Fight

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Allie Moray is the Executive Director of the American Parents Coalition, a group dedicated to fighting for equal access in sports locker rooms and gyms across the country. In this episode, we talk about the YMCA's decision to allow trans athletes to use the bathroom that corresponds with their gender identity and comfort, and why it's important to have inclusive sports spaces in schools, gyms, and locker rooms.

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00:00:17.880 The Y receives $600 million a year in federal funding.
00:00:22.420 On their national website, they have provided guidance that said that any person who was
00:00:28.320 using their facilities should be able to use the one that corresponds to their gender 0.56
00:00:33.100 identity and comfort.
00:00:34.780 I can't even tell you how many private messages I receive, I mean, seemingly daily, from parents
00:00:41.100 across the nation who have had either themselves or their children in a situation at a local
00:00:46.600 YMCA.
00:00:47.520 Nobody is immune.
00:00:48.820 It is everywhere.
00:00:56.640 Hello, everybody.
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00:01:25.920 Excited for the conversation today.
00:01:27.440 Today we are talking to a woman who helped in the creation of this map with certain states
00:01:35.620 that have been colored in, solidified, which is this fantastic resource.
00:01:39.600 We will get into all of that and more.
00:01:41.560 Today we're talking to Allie Moray.
00:01:44.160 She is the executive director of American Parents Coalition.
00:01:48.720 They've done awesome stuff across the board over these past few years.
00:01:52.800 Obviously a very different political, social, cultural climate under the previous administration.
00:01:59.720 Now we're seeing wins finally long overdue, both in the courts.
00:02:05.500 Last week we talked to Senator Schmidt about the lawfare that we have seen, judicial wins that we've been able to benefit from across the board,
00:02:14.780 especially as it pertains to a lot of these cultural conversations.
00:02:18.320 We've seen wins at the state level, the federal level.
00:02:21.480 But what we're getting into today, I alluded to this map, this pretty comprehensive map that has been created.
00:02:30.240 We'll get into all that and more in this episode of Gains for Girls. 1.00
00:02:34.820 Check it out right now.
00:02:35.680 Well, Allie, thank you for joining the Gains for Girls podcast.
00:02:42.080 I am super duper excited to talk with you.
00:02:44.820 You guys just recently released a super comprehensive map.
00:02:49.860 I think we have a photo of it.
00:02:52.060 If it's not included now, we'll certainly include it in post.
00:02:55.080 Can you tell us a little bit about this map that you guys released that went viral for all the right reasons?
00:03:00.800 What it does?
00:03:01.680 What inspired this?
00:03:02.580 Yeah, so we created a map that shows all of the instances across the country where there have been Title IX violations.
00:03:11.780 And we focused on broader than just the school framework.
00:03:16.700 So we included gyms and locker rooms like the YMCA.
00:03:20.340 And this was to give parents, policymakers, and just people who care about this issue an understanding that this is not just a one-off thing here and there,
00:03:30.520 which is one of the opposition and the gender activists' favorite talking points is, oh, this doesn't happen. 1.00
00:03:36.420 It's not happening in your community.
00:03:38.580 And then the other thing that I think is important to point out is our map, while it shows that there are more than half the states across the country, there's an example.
00:03:49.280 So for example, if someone participated on a team, we didn't include every single game that they participated in because we really wanted this to be a clean resource for people to be able to see how profound the impact is.
00:04:06.280 So for every dot on the map that you see, there are tens, twenties, hundreds of girls who are affected by this individual case.
00:04:15.640 Every girl that they play against, every girl they share a locker room with, every person who's cut or displaced from a team.
00:04:21.000 So there's really a broad ripple effect, which I know you know better than anyone else.
00:04:25.160 And we really wanted to be able to portray that in a clean way for people to understand.
00:04:30.980 Yeah, totally.
00:04:32.160 And you're absolutely right about the talking points we hear from the other side where they say, you know, it's not really happening or it's such a small percentage.
00:04:40.060 Only, you know, three trans athletes in the state of Nebraska or whatever it is, implying that it's like a one-to-one.
00:04:48.000 Like for every one boy, it affects one girl, just as you said, that of course is not the case.
00:04:53.980 Oftentimes, every one boy on a team, every one boy in a bathroom, a locker room, it's affecting hundreds of girls.
00:05:01.520 You alluded to the fact that this map is inclusive of sports and spaces like locker rooms, but it also includes all levels of schools and even local gyms like YMCA's, which is super important.
00:05:13.500 Can you talk about that for a second, like the YMCA specifically, because I don't think most people realize that this is an entity that receives federal money, right?
00:05:24.320 Again, first of all, YMCA stands for Young Men's Christian Association, which I won't even get into that.
00:05:30.560 But they receive funds from taxpayers like you and me, correct?
00:05:35.340 Exactly.
00:05:36.140 This has become a huge racket.
00:05:38.420 So the Y receives $600 million a year in federal funding, which is a lot.
00:05:45.600 And as part of the executive order that was instated earlier this year, any entity that is receiving federal funds needs to be compliant with Title IX, with federal law, which seems like, you know, you would think of a pretty fair trade.
00:05:58.100 So we had been watching the YMCA for a while and noticed that on their national website, they had provided guidance that said that any person, staff member, camp counselor, et cetera, who was using their facilities should be able to use the one that corresponds to their gender identity and comfort.
00:06:20.020 So not, you know, sex and biology.
00:06:22.880 And so that was really concerning to us.
00:06:25.280 And once we were able to see that they were, in fact, a recipient of such a large amount of federal funds, we started doing our due diligence.
00:06:32.800 We sent a letter to the administration, to the Department of Education, HHS, and then also to HUD, which are all the agencies responsible for distributing those funds to make them aware of it.
00:06:44.600 And then also to the House Committee, the Doge House Committee, that's rooting out some of this waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:06:51.440 And, you know, as you know, the Trump administration has taken this issue extremely seriously.
00:06:56.520 So we're really hopeful that it's only a matter of time before they're able to kind of dig in on that rabbit hole explicitly and look at the amount of money that the Y is receiving and the fact that they're not in compliance with Title IX.
00:07:10.860 Well, praise God.
00:07:11.920 I can't even tell you how many, you know, private messages I receive.
00:07:16.780 I mean, seemingly daily, truthfully, and if not daily, certainly weekly from parents across the nation who have had either themselves or their children in a situation at a local YMCA where they have been exposed to men in their locker room.
00:07:35.260 Looking at this map here, though, you have states like Texas and Florida on here.
00:07:40.660 How is this possible when these are states that have passed some form of a Save Girls Sports Act or I know even what we've seen recently where Texas has a pretty big hearing on the Texas Women's Privacy Act?
00:07:54.080 How can these states be on this map?
00:07:57.020 Yeah, that's a really great question.
00:07:58.300 I think you're always going to have, you know, at the local level or the community level, some rogue, you know, empowered school board member or, you know, member on the board of the YMCA who thinks that they're holier than now and they're going to make a point and stand up for what they believe in or, you know, have been captured by the gender activists.
00:08:19.400 And you're always going to see somebody who's kind of off, you know, employing a policy or a tactic that is not in compliance with state law.
00:08:28.600 So I do think it's an important distinguishing trait to make that that doesn't necessarily mean that Florida or Texas or Virginia have allowed it, but it's happened there.
00:08:38.480 I think the response in those places is stronger, faster, and they're able to pull the strings a little bit better than in a place like Minnesota or New York, Connecticut, where they're fine just letting it fly.
00:08:53.700 So there's a little bit more recourse in the, quote, red states or places who have policies in place to react.
00:09:00.240 But I like to use it when I'm talking to friends who care about this as a way to say, like, nobody is immune.
00:09:06.580 It is everywhere. And as long as they're for as long as there's a rogue board member or, you know, an empowered superintendent who feels like they can make these changes, it will happen.
00:09:17.460 And it will happen in communities, in states that don't necessarily endorse the ideology, but have a person who does.
00:09:24.320 And so that's one thing that we talk to parents about constantly is you need to have the language and the talking points and the comfort level in your vernacular and your arsenal to be able to have these conversations.
00:09:37.300 Because unfortunately, we're seeing more often than not that it's a matter of when you're going to have to have this talk with somebody versus, you know, if.
00:09:45.780 Yeah, and those rogue members, or I think probably the better word is activists really posing as some form of bureaucrat.
00:09:55.580 They exist everywhere.
00:09:57.880 You mentioned being able to send letters to the HHS, you know, several agencies and department within the administration.
00:10:06.880 Do you have any insight on if the Trump administration and his cabinet will be launching investigations into other states or institutions soon?
00:10:15.840 As you said, of course, we've seen pushback pretty heavy in California and Maine.
00:10:21.800 I know, of course, there was that pretty viral interaction between Governor Mills and President Trump.
00:10:26.360 We've seen them push back against even specific universities like the University of Pennsylvania.
00:10:31.760 Do you guys have any insight on what's next or what we can expect to see from the administration?
00:10:38.880 I don't.
00:10:39.780 I'm hesitant to, you know, speak for them.
00:10:41.740 But I think all of us who are active in this space can say that we have all observed and been able to see that they take this issue very seriously.
00:10:52.980 They're taking a lot of action on it.
00:10:54.520 It's not just playing lip service to the people who care about this and their constituency.
00:10:59.960 I mean, look, it's an 80-20, if not broader issue.
00:11:04.480 The American people are very united on understanding that this is a black and white issue.
00:11:09.600 We do not want boys in the girls' bathrooms. 1.00
00:11:12.680 It's a safety issue.
00:11:13.900 It's a privacy issue.
00:11:15.380 Parents are very united on that.
00:11:17.560 And so I think the administration understands that.
00:11:20.400 They've done a great job taking action thus far and have the appetite to continue to do so.
00:11:25.820 You mentioned this being an 80-20 issue, which I agree with you.
00:11:30.320 I actually would say it's probably more drastic than that.
00:11:34.980 Do you think this controversy, as other issues arise, obviously, the economy is always a big one.
00:11:40.680 What we've seen with crime even recently, the border's been big.
00:11:44.160 Do you think the cultural conversation surrounding DEI, wokeness, whatever it is, do you think that that controversy is fading?
00:11:54.460 Or do you think even as we've continued to see wins from the administrative level, do you think it's intensifying?
00:12:00.580 I think it's intensifying.
00:12:03.220 I think because the Trump administration is so vocal, we see a lot of action.
00:12:09.660 But the states, especially those who are on the blue side of things or just have the activists that we've been discussing thus far, they're doubling down.
00:12:19.180 And I know, speaking from our map specifically, more than 30 of the instances that we actually have plotted on the map are post-executive order.
00:12:28.440 So I think we all saw this environment kind of start post-COVID, 2021, 22, and then it kind of like has gained steam from there.
00:12:39.520 But in the places where they've really doubled down on this, it's continuing to intensify.
00:12:45.580 So I don't think we can take our foot off the gas.
00:12:48.180 And I think parents are going to continue to push back and want to believe that we're past it.
00:12:53.920 And as a society, I think many parents in their head are and are going to continue to get more and more frustrated when they see this double down and these additional examples of the lack of compliance.
00:13:06.960 Because everyone wants to believe we're past it, but we're not.
00:13:09.860 I mean, the fight is far from over, unfortunately.
00:13:12.320 But I do think we may get some clarity in understanding that the Supreme Court has a willingness to take up some cases specific to this.
00:13:20.580 So hopefully, you know, we get some clarity there.
00:13:24.620 Yeah, totally.
00:13:25.880 And I agree with you that we cannot become too comfortable.
00:13:28.820 We have not yet won this war on woke.
00:13:32.200 Unfortunately, it still persists.
00:13:35.600 It rears its head and gnashes its teeth at the sign of any pushback.
00:13:40.280 I want to get your thoughts on this and what you kind of make of this.
00:13:44.240 We saw just recently out of, I believe it was the Temecula Valley Unified School District in California.
00:13:51.180 They are reportedly forcing young girls to fill out a mental health accommodation form to declare that they have a mental health issue as young girls if they don't want boys invading the girls' restroom or locker room at school.
00:14:09.460 So, again, the message that's being sent here is because, or I guess the girls who don't want to forcibly undress next to or in front of boys, the school systems in California, specifically here, the Temecula Valley Unified School District, they're telling the girls that they're the mentally deranged ones.
00:14:31.020 Yeah, I mean, it's absurd.
00:14:34.120 And honestly, I think parents are pretty united in any form of mental health survey coming from the school writ large is an absurd thing to expect students to fill out.
00:14:45.680 I mean, kids, by and large, are extremely receptive to suggestive messaging.
00:14:50.460 If you're asking a kid who has never otherwise thought about suicide or self-harm or eating disorders, if you're actively asking them about it, you're planting those seeds.
00:15:01.580 And that's true on any mental health issue.
00:15:04.360 So if there's not reason or cause for concern to be having those conversations with kids, first of all, they should be having their parents first with their express consent because this is, you know, medical advice and conversation.
00:15:16.780 No, no, no adult should be having those conversations with kids without the parents involved anyway.
00:15:21.880 But even still, by and large, those conversations, surveys, et cetera, are just extremely inappropriate.
00:15:28.620 And this one just happens to be absurd on its face.
00:15:31.840 Like you said, I mean, it's just, it's wild.
00:15:34.600 Yeah, I was, the more I thought about this, the more I thought to myself, you know, let's say a young girl,
00:15:41.200 naive to, to, you know, anything beyond the fact that she knows it's uncomfortable to share a locker room with the boy.
00:15:48.480 Let's say she does fill out this form.
00:15:50.680 Like, could that eventually affect her ability to own a gun?
00:15:55.100 Let's say, if again, you have some form of a mental health issue on any sort of record.
00:16:01.440 I mean, there are some serious implications here that should certainly be considered.
00:16:06.100 For listeners who are concerned about Title IX protections, or maybe they see this map and they know of examples happening in their state, yet it's not listed here on the map.
00:16:16.940 What are some concrete steps they should take either within their schools or local districts, or how can they effectively put this on the radar for what you all are doing?
00:16:28.440 That's a great question.
00:16:30.900 So for the map specifically, we have a form that you can fill out on our website, AmericanParentsCoalition.org, where you can tell us about those instances, and we'll go ahead and we'll add them to the map.
00:16:42.280 I'm sure there are countless examples that we have not included.
00:16:46.620 We're going just from public reporting.
00:16:48.560 So we would welcome additional instances.
00:16:51.680 And then as far as resources, we also have on our website a lot of great stuff you can use.
00:16:57.700 So our organization does a lot of advocacy on the, like, public policy side of things.
00:17:02.580 But one thing that we think is extremely important is, like, public policy takes time.
00:17:07.340 Your family is, like, in the trenches, rolling and moving, like, today.
00:17:11.360 And that's not always happening at the same speed as public policy.
00:17:15.560 So we have a lot of just conversation guides on our websites.
00:17:19.280 We call them, like, the kitchen table conversations.
00:17:21.760 So ways to talk to your kids about some of these, like, sticky issues to empower you with, you know, the language and the understanding that you need to have those important conversations.
00:17:31.800 And then we also have a lot of sample letters, talking points, and conversation guides that you can take with you to either a school board meeting or to gather a group of parents and talk to, you know, an advisor for a sports league or, you know, someone who's running something like that.
00:17:51.060 Because we haven't even talked about this at all, but I'm sure I know you know about organizations like AAU and these outside sports groups.
00:18:00.340 I mean, they're dealing with the same stuff.
00:18:02.260 And they're not, they kind of fall in this weird, mushy category because Title IX may not be receiving federal funding.
00:18:09.320 And so Title IX, you know, is different with them.
00:18:13.540 So we have a lot of resources on our website where parents can, you know, access that and have these conversations at home and with their kids and within their community to affect change at the much smaller level.
00:18:26.300 While these organizations kind of come together and we push back either at the federal or the public policy and fundraising side of things.
00:18:34.100 Yeah, fantastic.
00:18:34.900 And it's important to note that just as an everyday person, you have just as much ability to have impact as someone with a large platform.
00:18:46.820 Really, really important stuff.
00:18:48.700 Actually, I believe it's more impactful if you're just, again, you're everyday American who has found yourself or maybe someone you know, someone you love, your child at the center of these cultural issues.
00:19:01.980 These stories are really important and deserve to be heard.
00:19:06.460 So thank you for everything you guys are doing.
00:19:08.960 What are some other, I guess, initiatives or campaigns that you guys at American Parents Coalition are pushing, especially, I think, throughout the next, let's say, three and a half, a little less than three and a half years with President Trump in office?
00:19:22.360 We're really focused a lot on social media, parental controls, AI, chatbots.
00:19:29.180 There's a lot of kind of scary stuff, unfortunately, in that space for the tween and teen age kids.
00:19:36.580 Just the lack of parental controls, appropriate parental controls.
00:19:40.380 We very much advocate for delay as long as possible, but, you know, you find yourself, you can't take kids out of the world.
00:19:49.200 There are going to be exposures either at friends' houses or even in school, kids handed a Chromebook, et cetera.
00:19:55.540 So we have a lot of resources and we're doing a lot on navigating those types of parental controls and Internet-related things, social media.
00:20:07.060 And then we're also in the midst of a big campaign we call Stop the Docs.
00:20:11.180 So, again, still on this kind of transgender issue side of things, but more on the health and medical side, big focus on the fact that these, quote, treatments are not treatments.
00:20:23.120 They're procedures.
00:20:24.000 They're taking otherwise healthy kids and making them medical patients for life, which, you know, I'm sure pharma and the medical industry love.
00:20:34.040 But that's not what's best for kids.
00:20:35.780 That's not what research is proving out.
00:20:37.420 Many of the countries who were once the leaders in this space have walked back their guidance on that.
00:20:43.560 But America continues to double down.
00:20:46.160 So we're looking at the American Academy of Pediatrics and just some of these larger organizations writ large and trying to unpack why and bring forward the research to show that these recommendations from organizations like the AAP are not rooted in research and medicine.
00:21:04.600 And perhaps have financial motives.
00:21:07.980 And we're spending a lot of time working on them as well.
00:21:10.740 Fantastic.
00:21:11.740 Well, all good and critical and timely things.
00:21:15.020 So thank you very much.
00:21:16.640 We will certainly be following along and amplifying your message at every chance we can get.
00:21:22.620 So thank you, Allie.
00:21:24.880 Thank you.
00:21:25.480 Yeah.
00:21:25.560 Thank you guys for tuning in to the Gains for Girls podcast.
00:21:30.980 Again, check us out at YouTube.com slash Outkick.
00:21:34.100 And again, be sure to check out the American Parents Coalition, the work that they're doing across the board.
00:21:40.440 As Allie said, working on some different things pertaining to AI, chatbot stuff, especially, of course, how that affects parental consent.
00:21:50.440 And appreciate you guys.
00:21:52.620 And we will see you again next week.
00:21:55.260 Baby may be here by then, which is crazy to even say out loud.
00:21:59.660 Thank you, guys.
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