00:02:21.020If those 27 states can continue to have those laws on the books, because, of course, the challengers in these cases, BPJ is in West Virginia and Hecox, Lindsay Hecox, is in Idaho.
00:02:36.020They're both saying these laws are unconstitutional.
00:02:40.980I'm a woman just like you're a woman and I get to compete in girls and women's if I want to.
00:02:46.660So the constitutionality of these laws that are already on the books will be decided. But what people don't quite realize is that if we win, you know, if our side prevails, the 23 states, states like Colorado and California, I live in Colorado.
00:03:06.760I used to live in California. They don't have to change their laws. They can continue to allow men
00:03:13.640who say they're women to compete in women's sports. And so we still have a lot of work to do,
00:03:18.320even if we win. If we lose, that's a major setback. We're going to see people online who
00:03:24.340are talking about, you know, like huge win for women and girls. And again, yes, of course. But
00:03:28.520what you're saying is that this will decide on if states even can protect women, not on if they must.
00:03:36.760Yeah. It basically lets us hold the line. It doesn't move us forward. It doesn't move to0.68
00:03:42.240use a sports analogy. It doesn't really move the ball down the field at all. Um, I don't want to
00:03:48.420be, I think, you know, sometimes I feel like I'm like this depressing voice of reason in the room
00:03:53.120and I don't want to be a Debbie Downer about it because it is a win. It's absolutely a win,
00:03:57.760but those 23 States like California and Colorado, they are not going to change not for one second
00:04:03.180what they do and girls in those zip codes deserve fair competition too and so people on the front1.00
00:04:09.040lines of this fight you me all the other women we still have work to do we still have a lot of work0.97
00:04:15.900to do because here's the other thing that people don't understand riley you understand it because0.94
00:04:19.720you're an elite athlete you compete across state lines i competed across state lines for the first
00:04:25.680time when i was nine so does that mean that a girl in tennessee who has protected women's sports
00:04:33.480girls sports if she qualifies for a national competition it has to compete against california
00:04:39.180a california team she could face a boy it doesn't work that this goes to the states it has to be
00:04:44.420there has to be national legislation and you mentioned some of the obvious bad actors like
00:04:50.060California and Oregon and Washington and Colorado gosh and Jefferson County what there was up to 61
00:04:57.600boys in a single county taking roster spots playing in girls sports that's absolutely absurd
00:05:04.000but it's not just the deep deep blue states it's states like Pennsylvania and Virginia so it's it's
00:05:12.720yeah it's more prominent than you think but you you mentioned the 27 states do you think we've
00:05:17.400kind of reached like the threshold if you will like the states that have passed some sort of
00:05:23.260legislation like your tennessee's florida texas have we reached the threshold or are there some
00:05:29.260more purple states that hopefully coming up we can kind of bring along that's a great question
00:05:35.280first of all i think we need state by state legislation i think we need national legislation
00:05:39.880we have an executive order but you know that's temporary it functions like law while we have
00:05:46.080President Trump in office, but you and I both know that could change and lots of states are
00:05:50.300ignoring it. I personally feel like we have to really change the cultural conversation and make
00:05:55.280this something that no state would dare do. No league would dare do because the people wouldn't
00:06:02.800tolerate it. So, you know, that's what I am. That's the battle I'm waging is to change the
00:06:07.980cultural conversation. As far as have we hit the limit? Look, I'm in Colorado. I'm the chairperson
00:06:13.180for a ballot initiative um initiative 109 we got 25 more signatures than we needed here in
00:06:20.040i'm in deep blue color colorado is not a purple state anymore as you know it is blue and we got
00:06:26.760the signatures we needed to put this to the people in november so um and washington has done so as
00:06:33.460well you know there are blue this is everyone agrees everyone knows um but it takes a ton of
00:06:39.700wherewithal. We didn't have a lot of money. We didn't really have any money here in Colorado,
00:06:43.800but we had an amazing grassroots organization and we went out and got the signatures,
00:06:47.540but we're not done yet because now we need people to vote for it. So I think that is the next wave
00:06:52.900is ballot initiatives in these blue and purple states. For sure. And we've seen it be successful
00:06:58.380or at least relatively successful this last legislative session in states like even Maine.
00:07:03.840So definitely agree in terms of the ballot initiatives and putting the power in the hands of the people.
00:07:11.220You talk about changing the cultural conversation.
00:07:15.480You guys just had a really, really fantastic ad.
00:07:18.680Again, your ads always like they garner millions and millions of views.
00:07:23.080That's how you change the cultural conversation.
00:08:43.420Concerned about your gambling or that of someone close to you?
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00:08:47.540So most of the ads we make are to try to kind of, to use an overused phrase, move that Overton window to make it okay to stand up and say something.
00:08:57.780to make you realize that, you know, you're kind of in a group of common sense people and everybody
00:09:02.460agrees. We also try to put the attention back on the girls because, you know, the culture is saying,
00:09:06.940look at these poor boys. They're so vulnerable and put upon and everybody's so mean. And I want
00:09:11.440to say, look at the girls. What about them? Don't they deserve fairness? In this particular ad that
00:09:16.820we just dropped, we really just pulled quotes from very famous athletes across the generations,
00:09:22.140everyone from Billie Jean King to Ariana Sabalenka to Sophie Cunningham saying what we all know to
00:09:28.860be true, which is that men are stronger and faster than women. Everyone knows it. Why can't we all
00:09:35.060just say it? At the end of that ad, you have Serena Williams who says, you know, I only want to play
00:09:40.180girls because I don't want to be embarrassed. She seems to have said that. What was this? I think it
00:09:46.040was back in like 2013 or something so that was before it was transphobic to admit that men on
00:09:52.200average are physiologically more advantageous when it comes to athletic ability than women
00:09:58.740and now she's totally silent same with Billie Jean King Billie Jean King truthfully she is who
00:10:04.600we have to accredit largely title nine too and now can you talk about the shift that we've seen from
00:10:10.380her? Well, it's so interesting. I mean, her role in all of this is kind of crazy when you think
00:10:16.460about it, right? I mean, she created the Women's Sports Foundation. She's been so instrumental0.95
00:10:20.800in securing equal opportunity for female athletes. But here's what I didn't know,
00:10:26.940which I learned recently, Riley, there was a male tennis player who transitioned to female back in
00:10:34.660the 60s uh renee russo is what he went by and that was billy jean king's doubles partner in
00:10:42.660several grand slam tournaments and she actually um testified in his defense that he had no
00:10:50.440advantage in competing in the women's category i did not know this until very recently i only
00:10:55.200learned this very recently so i didn't know that at all yeah i'll send you what i wrote about it
00:11:00.300Anyway, she's a member of the LGB, I'm just going to say LGB community.
00:11:07.160She's gay, lesbian, whatever we want to call it now.
00:11:11.080But she's consistently been on the side.0.89
00:11:14.540She doesn't want to abandon the letters.
00:15:32.140we need more men professional athletes dads all of it we need more and that that's not to cast
00:15:38.020dispersions because you and i both know there are men in this fight but we definitely need their
00:15:42.260voices and we need more of them i have gotten a bit tired of all the people as i know you have
00:15:46.720as well saying well all these 14 year old girls should just stand down then it would be over in
00:15:50.920an instant we know that's not true it's happened it's happened you know in a pretty major way if
00:15:56.900you think back to San Jose State and the Mountain West Conference, it's done nothing. And I salute
00:16:03.320every girl that does it. I will pick her up. I will make her an ambassador of XXXY. I do not0.90
00:16:08.560think it's the end game. If the most, if the 10 most famous female athletes in the world all said
00:16:14.000it at once, that's a game changer. Why aren't we demanding it of them? Those women have millions0.97
00:16:20.000and millions of dollars. And if they all said it at once, they wouldn't lose their endorsements1.00
00:16:24.040because it would be the tide you know that would be the shift that would be a major shift if they
00:16:29.340did it with 10 male athletes i mean come on that would be a game changer but that's not happening
00:16:36.000i i will say one more thing that i think is you know from a culture perspective sort of astonishing
00:16:41.260as you know the ioc just did the right thing and said going forward the olympics will be
00:16:46.800you know the women's category will be women only starting with LA um 2028 they did a survey
00:16:54.040with female athletes beforehand because the last thing they want right is to announce it and have0.98
00:17:00.020all their stars go this is terrible we don't support this so they made sure they did and yet
00:17:05.740you know and I know on the day it was announced did one Olympic female star that's likely to
00:17:12.840compete in 28 say this is great news no not one no we saw some on the other side again which shows
00:17:20.840how uh there is not that level of fear to speak to liberal causes what they deem socially just
00:17:27.920causes uh nikki hilts right uh who came out and said you know you can stick that test basically
00:17:34.620where the sun doesn't shine i don't want to take it but it's because to provide a little context
00:17:39.460on this athlete she's a woman competing with the women who claims to be non-binary or they them
00:17:46.800or transgender it's kind of i think she's claimed all of those identities um so it's a woman
00:17:52.180competing with the women we don't care what you are so long as you're not taking like performance0.99
00:17:55.740enhancing drugs i see nothing wrong with a woman competing with women that's exactly what we're1.00
00:18:00.560advocating for here so yeah that's what her sex test will prove as well well then don't take the0.98
00:18:06.700test and don't compete in the olympics that's how it's going to be nikki no one's going to miss you0.86
00:18:10.600it's fine um and for the press because she was in the last olympics in 24 she didn't medal uh i don't
00:18:18.500even remember what event she competes you might remember but um the press made a big deal about
00:18:24.160this being the first non-binary athlete in the olympics and see trans can compete in the olympics
00:18:29.820and see it's not a big deal it's like no it's not she's a woman competing in women's we don't0.75
00:18:36.520care. That's what we want. That's the point. I've talked to some of those commentators who1.00
00:18:42.060were in that position where they had to learn how to use they, them pronouns when commentating on
00:18:48.660the race, or even back to what we face at that national championships. They went through over
00:18:54.26030 hours of training, so they didn't slip up live on air and accidentally call a woman a she,
00:19:01.520which again speaks to how absolutely absurd this is but going back to the supreme court ruling
00:19:06.840yeah do you see this ruling as like you know narrowly about sports or do you think there are
00:19:13.300broader implications for sex-based protections in law that's a great question i think it depends on
00:19:21.880how the decision is written honestly i'm not a lawyer so you know don't take this as expert legal
00:19:27.560advice. But it is going to be, I think, primarily sports focused. If they write it incredibly
00:19:36.040narrowly as it pertains only to sport, then I don't know that it will have impact beyond sport.
00:19:41.440If they write it a little more broadly around equal protection, it could certainly then be
00:19:48.160applied in future cases, you know, related to locker rooms and prisons and women's shelters.
00:19:54.720It really depends how it's written. I think most legal scholars who are on our side, experts believe they'll keep it pretty narrow to avoid the accusation of overreach. But one can dream. We can hope.
00:20:10.440and you talked about nike and the whole dylan mulvaney thing can you just provide a little
00:20:16.320insight to the listeners because i don't think people really understand just how abysmal nike
00:20:22.900has been to women whether it's it's the gender ideology movement whether it's uh allison felix
00:20:29.680who was pregnant with a baby and what they did with her so so can you just speak to some of
00:20:33.280atrocities committed by nike on june 26th summer belongs to the super your powers are going to
00:20:40.940start kicking in right about now this does not look like this is going to end well for you guys
00:20:47.800you're savage i knew it supergirl arrives what superman like he sees the good in everyone
00:22:18.460And she basically had to pull out and she told her story publicly.
00:22:22.100And eventually the whole place was shut down.
00:22:23.920The coach was fired. And the CEO, Mark Parker, at the time, who was very celebrated, was essentially ended over this, his career, because he oversaw the running of this run club.
00:22:34.420So that's horrible. Right. And then there was a really notable incident around 2018 where 100 female executives put a dossier on Mark Parker's desk about all the harassment they endured.
00:22:47.460um you know nights out the the dudes at nike insisted you go to the strip club with them
00:22:53.420and other guys threw keys in the face of a woman like we're talking physical harassment um that was0.99
00:23:00.980covered by the new york times so that's even before we get to this trans insanity like they0.98
00:23:06.140just treat women like garbage they do don't buy nike no nike has been in my household uh i remember0.97
00:23:14.360when i was in high school i think at the time and they came out with a shoe in collaboration with0.99
00:23:20.280lil nas x who is like openly satanist and and i mean truthfully like demonic like mgk
00:23:29.220megan fox level like like crazy stuff and one of the the things about the shoe i think they only0.73
00:23:36.260created 666 pairs like gives me chills and it had at least what was advertised real blood in the
00:23:44.200soul i'm like who in the world would buy these and who would support this um so yes nike is banned
00:23:51.080in my household too i would go back to 2017 and their whole ad campaign featuring castor
00:23:58.240simenia um this is a male runner uh from i don't remember exactly what country in the global south
00:24:05.060an African country who won the 800 meter in 2016 in Rio. The three podium spots were males in that
00:24:15.200Olympics for the 800 meter. And Nike did a huge campaign about how he was being, there was, you
00:24:23.180know, it was just bigotry. He's a different kind of woman. And this is just racism and misogyny to
00:24:29.720say that he's a male and should not win the gold medal. No, he's a male. He's a man and he can
00:24:34.640compete in men's um they put millions and millions of dollars behind this ad campaign that's a long
00:24:40.060time ago that's before you and i were really in this fight uh and to think that that didn't have
00:24:45.280significant influence on the cultural conversation would be a huge mistake it had major influence0.98
00:24:51.560yeah uh castor simenia has publicly and like self-admittedly said that he has testicles there's0.98
00:25:00.300really no denying that not many women i know have testicles jen he said in fact and i quote0.99
00:25:07.540my testicles don't make me less of a woman0.99
00:25:10.220yeah okay like it's it's almost so absurd that you don't really have words for it or for those0.99
00:25:19.960who can listen to that and nod their heads and agree it's like it almost feels like you've lost
00:25:26.660hope. So I want to ask you, what is it right now in this current moment that gives you hope for
00:25:32.840the future? Yeah, there's days I feel less hopeful, but I feel mostly hopeful. I'm an optimist. I
00:25:39.860wouldn't do what I'm doing. I know you wouldn't if you didn't think we could win. I am hopeful
00:25:45.020because of the IOC's decision. That's the most powerful and influential governing body in the
00:25:49.520world. That's major. And it's a woman who presides over the IOC and she did the right thing despite
00:25:54.220Right. A ton of pressure. I am hopeful that blue states like Colorado and Washington have gotten these initiatives on the ballot.0.62
00:26:01.380That's huge. These are deep blue states. And when the voters decide, I really think we will prevail.
00:26:07.000And I'm just hopeful that we have such fighters in this.
00:26:10.340You know, and we now come at it from every angle, political, legislative, cultural. Right.
00:26:15.180We have experts in all of these fields. And I am hopeful that we're going to win the Supreme Court case and we will hold the line.
00:26:23.200and we will continue to forge ahead and we'll we're going to get those 23 states and we're
00:26:27.140going to get the culture and the 10 percent that are the real true believers are going to look just
00:26:31.080like the crazy people they are off in the corner and they're going to lose their influence but
00:26:34.860i do i just want to i do we do have a fight on our hands this isn't tomorrow uh we need to you know
00:26:41.860build our strength and put on our big boy pants and keep going because we will have setbacks but
00:26:46.860we're going to win because truth always outs in the end and we're telling the truth
00:26:50.920it's time for me to interrupt you and tell you about something that i know a lot of you
00:26:55.920quietly deal with and that is private student loan debt if you've listened to the show you've
00:27:00.280heard me talk about my friends at why refi before what they're doing is necessary it's incredible
00:27:05.900if you are stuck with private student loans that feel impossible like your monthly payment is way
00:27:11.200higher than what you can realistically afford maybe you've fallen behind maybe you're in default
00:27:15.380i have good news for you you're not alone and most importantly you're not out of options
00:28:14.060And as you referenced in the beginning, this is the 54th anniversary of Title IX.
00:28:17.660So we also have great Title IX gear, but more importantly, just celebrate this moment because the opportunity for women, it's hard to state how significant the opportunity for women has been because of that legislation.