Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - Living Through War： A Catalyst for Change

00:00:00.000 hey everybody thank you for tuning in to the gains for girls podcast uh still have this

00:00:12.120 high type feeling after the election uh i didn't realize the toll that it took on me

00:00:18.740 i truly it's weird i feel lighter uh knowing that america is great again and will become

00:00:25.800 even greater uh when president trump takes office in january uh very excited for today's episode

00:00:32.260 uh this is a woman who i've known about i've followed uh for for a while now uh she's a

00:00:38.680 transitioner who is now a detransitioner uh her story is is similar to to some of the others that

00:00:45.620 we've had on here in the sense of becoming captured and infatuated by this movement truly believing

00:00:51.160 that you can become something that you are not uh but what is remarkable about her story is how she

00:00:58.760 how she really got out of it uh how she realized uh that your biological sex is reality it's an

00:01:06.500 immutable fact uh it was actually because of war uh she was in israel on october 7th she lived through

00:01:13.760 many wars in israel uh she'll she'll describe in this episode what that was like for her and how

00:01:20.180 that was really the the turning point for her but but really remarkable tragic of course but but

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00:03:15.280 uh and now we're going to get into the interview with maya poet here well maya thank you so much for

00:03:22.440 joining the gains for girls podcast uh i followed you on x i've kept up with you for a while uh i had

00:03:28.460 the pleasure of meeting you earlier this year uh knowing your story knowing who you are uh all of

00:03:35.000 the advocacy work that you've been doing is is just paramount to the movement uh paramount i believe

00:03:41.180 to this election that we just had so before we get into anything and i i ask you about you

00:03:46.820 uh i've got to ask you how are you feeling after the election honestly i feel i feel like a massive

00:03:55.240 weight has been lifted off my shoulders and i feel like it'll actually be possible with the

00:04:00.980 current administration to sort of start to root gender ideology you know out of our institutions

00:04:07.540 out of every single institution that it has captured like i think people are too quick to say

00:04:12.180 oh yeah because trump has been elected we're going to do away with gender ideology i think that now that

00:04:17.880 trump is elected it's actually possible unlike in a democratic you know administration it would be quite

00:04:23.900 impossible to to get this ideology out of our institutions but now that trump has been elected

00:04:28.640 if we all really rally our efforts i think it it might actually be a possibility to at least undo some

00:04:35.480 of the damage of gender ideology and so that and that was my main voting issue so i'm i'm really excited

00:04:40.940 about these developments well i think you and and many many others uh far more than i think the

00:04:47.940 democrats initially realized that this issue whether it's the sports whether it's the medicalization

00:04:53.520 side of things whether it's just the infiltration of of the dei initiatives in the educational realm

00:04:59.640 i mean i think this was a a it made a lot of voters a single i mean the single issue voters so you and

00:05:06.760 many others i would imagine uh i i want you to again i know your story i've heard your story i've heard

00:05:13.960 you tell your story uh it is so beyond impactful uh it's tragic is what it is but but it's remarkable

00:05:21.560 in all of the different ways that uh you learned about yourself you learned about the harm that was

00:05:28.360 being done to you and to children across the country and so can you can you just i mean you know an

00:05:34.320 overview of of you and a little bit about your story of transitioning and then now of course

00:05:40.120 detransitioning yeah absolutely so right now i'm 25 years old but from the age of 12 to 24 i

00:05:48.060 identified as transgender and of course you know when i when i came out to my parents as transgender

00:05:53.840 they were naturally very skeptical and i did this in the year 2012 when i was 12 so i was really an

00:06:01.700 early adopter of this identity in this ideology and and so because my parents were natural skeptics

00:06:08.260 they they off the bat said absolutely no to you know social transition to medicalization

00:06:14.360 but of course being a teenager and then a young adult of course whatever my parents said i wanted

00:06:20.380 to do the exact opposite and in a bid to get me to stop my transition process they actually sent me

00:06:27.460 abroad to to israel to study abroad for for a year and um instead of you know taking that as an

00:06:35.300 opportunity to give like living as an adult woman a shot i took it as an opportunity to live as a man

00:06:43.260 and so i i lived as a man in the middle east for several years both within ultra-orthodox jewish

00:06:49.600 communities and within palestinian muslim communities as well as within the broader israeli

00:06:54.820 secular society and it really wasn't until i lived through multiple wars that i began to realize that

00:07:01.760 this self-perception i had built this transgender identity that i had constructed over the course of

00:07:07.600 half of my life was standing on nothing but a stack of lies and so had i not lived through war

00:07:12.940 i i genuinely don't think that i ever would have gotten out of this wow wow talk about that i mean

00:07:19.780 first i mean i i can't even imagine how horrific it is to live through war but but living through war

00:07:27.320 as you described you know what with your mindset and really the basis of these lies what was that like

00:07:34.380 for you and how was that really a turning point for you yeah so i would say that you know it was a

00:07:41.020 very long process of beginning to to sort of question the validity of any of these things that

00:07:48.060 i believed like any any of the tenets of gender ideology that i believed i think you know the first

00:07:53.380 turning point for me was the first war i lived through in israel which was 11 days long and it was in

00:07:58.260 may of 2021 um i was getting ready um with a friend to go to a concert and suddenly we heard

00:08:06.900 a siren and i i look at her and i'm like what is this and she's like oh they're launching rockets at

00:08:11.500 us and i'm like well aren't we supposed to do something she's like yeah we're supposed to go to

00:08:17.120 a bomb shelter and then i look at her and i'm like so where's the bomb shelter and then and then she

00:08:20.820 says i don't know i'm new to this neighborhood and so the first few sirens we just ran down to the

00:08:26.420 lowest level of the apartment complex because you're less likely to get hit by a rocket or by

00:08:30.840 rocket debris if you're if you're like near the ground as opposed to higher up and then we eventually

00:08:36.380 figured out where the bomb shelter was and every single time we had a heard a siren we had to like

00:08:42.020 pack up the cats and just run for it um and you know for those 11 days i totally put my life

00:08:49.500 on hold i mean i didn't shower because i was worried that i'd be in the middle of a shower

00:08:56.340 and that i'd hear a siren and have to wrap a towel around my body and and just run to a bomb shelter

00:09:02.420 and of course i was living as a man everybody knew me as a man so this was this was impossible

00:09:08.560 so the only things that i did during those 11 days were really things that i could just start and

00:09:15.800 stop on a dime and so i spent hours on social media namely on instagram where i saw my leftist

00:09:22.220 american friends basically praising hamas praising terrorism and you know i used to be a lefty i i in

00:09:29.700 fact used to be a pro-palestinian campus activist as a jew and so i thought okay surely these people

00:09:37.620 you know think that hamas are good because they're really naive like they don't understand that hamas uses 1.00

00:09:44.760 it's civilians as human shields they don't understand that these people are you know trying

00:09:49.620 to maximize civilian casualties at every possible turn because they know that naive westerners will

00:09:56.340 will buy into their into their sort of pity games so you know i was convinced that these people didn't

00:10:02.260 have the whole story and that it was my job to basically just inform them of the facts so i went

00:10:08.040 onto the internet and i started doing a bunch of searches about you know um namely on on like

00:10:14.480 anti-hamas and pro-israel sources that basically show them that like look hamas are not the good

00:10:21.280 guys they're not the freedom fighters that you think they are and i presented these opinions to my

00:10:26.360 friends in the open forum of instagram and i i knew all these people from high school debate so i was

00:10:34.560 convinced that because we'd received the same rhetorical training because we'd all been taught how to

00:10:39.360 identify logical fallacies and how to consider information that is different from our previously

00:10:45.820 held beliefs you know i i trusted these people's ability to at least consider my argument and

00:10:51.620 incorporate it within their logical calculus but that's not what happened instead they started hurling

00:10:57.040 insults at me calling me a colonizer and a settler sympathizer and they said that i the 21 year old

00:11:04.520 israeli palestinian peace activist who was running from bomb shelters was speaking from a place of

00:11:10.900 privilege meanwhile they were communicating with me from their comfortable couches in the united states

00:11:18.280 thousands of miles away from a war zone in a situation that they would never be able to imagine

00:11:23.180 and so two things happened for me in that moment the first of which is that i became incredibly

00:11:28.240 disillusioned with the western left and i started to understand that they don't hold their beliefs

00:11:33.360 from a logical perspective but rather that they've come to their beliefs totally from an ideological

00:11:38.780 perspective so that was like the first turning point and the second turning point is really that

00:11:43.500 because i had done all of these pro-israel and anti-hamas searches the algorithm had started to

00:11:49.900 suggest me more right-wing content and eventually i basically found myself fully within the right-wing

00:11:58.440 culture war rabbit holes and at first you know the the content that they were suggesting to me

00:12:04.820 was very critical of the black lives matter protests and the george floyd protests that were that were

00:12:11.300 going on at that moment and the more i stayed in those rabbit holes the more exposure i got to ideas that

00:12:18.640 were that were critical of trans and so i think in 2021 that was like the first

00:12:24.820 kind of catalyst for me changing my opinions or for me starting to understand that okay there's

00:12:32.200 something really off here about about the transgender movement but it wasn't until really like october 7th

00:12:39.460 of 2023 of last year that you know i woke up to a siren at eight in the morning

00:12:45.420 and i just didn't like i just didn't have the time to put my my breast binder on and i just like i heard a

00:12:53.680 siren and i just had to run for it i had to save myself i had to run to a bomb shelter and i had to

00:12:58.560 feel my body move naturally without any kind of constriction and it was really in those moments of

00:13:03.620 running back and forth between the bomb shelter that i began to realize like with every single siren

00:13:10.620 that you know for half of my life i believed that my body existing in its healthy natural state was

00:13:19.800 existing in a state of pathology and it was in really in those moments that i realized that

00:13:24.400 actually there's nothing wrong with my body that my body is capable and that i need to remain you know

00:13:30.460 fully intact um from a bodily perspective in order to ensure that i can survive whatever chaos life

00:13:38.280 throws at me and so it was it was really just a combination of wars and time in between to really

00:13:47.480 reconsider my points of view that i ended up you know deciding to to stop my transition process

00:13:53.940 but it was not it was not an easy decision at all and a lot of people ask me well like are you grateful

00:14:00.320 for wars because wars snapped you out of this before you did even more damage to yourself and the truth is

00:14:07.980 that like i mean no i'm not grateful for war like war is is an earth-shattering experience it is it is a type of

00:14:17.320 it is a type like you know gen z is obsessed with the word trauma the they're throwing it around

00:14:23.260 everywhere and the way i see it is that most of these young westerners i don't really understand

00:14:29.380 what they could possibly be traumatized by like i thought that gender dysphoria was bad until i lived

00:14:35.400 through war and then i realized that like i would take severe gender dysphoria unresolved every day for

00:14:42.080 the rest of my life to never have to experience the pain of war but it was the pain of war and it was

00:14:47.580 the pain of like losing friends to war that i really realized like that there are worse things than

00:14:55.780 discomfort with your body if it can be overcome with time and with work so that's a little bit

00:15:03.100 really of like a snippet into my story this is what i meant when i said your story is remarkable

00:15:09.240 in a sense where again it never should have happened from i mean from the gender dysphoria

00:15:13.760 from from i mean living in war none of those things i mean terrible terrible things but it's

00:15:19.200 remarkable in the way that i mean i've never heard a story quite like yours uh to be radicalized in that

00:15:25.340 way uh is is uh unprecedented so i can't imagine uh just the stress that you've dealt with and the toll

00:15:33.940 that it's taken on you knowing that there's not a lot of resources to help in terms of of people

00:15:38.940 being in your same position understanding exactly what you have gone through and i'm sure even

00:15:45.080 currently still find yourself going through uh so uh really just um i i can't i can't even put myself

00:15:53.260 in your shoes uh but you mentioned something that that i find interesting you mentioned how social

00:15:59.740 media was a large part in kind of like the the realizing the the facade that is the gender

00:16:08.280 ideology movement was social media a part of i think initially the attraction to the gender ideology

00:16:16.740 movement so you ask a really interesting question and most people who have transitioned or detransitioned

00:16:22.740 who are members of gen z would say that yes absolutely social media played a role but in my

00:16:29.100 case i began to encounter these ideas at the age of 12 in 2012 before it was everywhere and really

00:16:38.280 you know for me it was actually like a process that that i felt that i was totally in control of

00:16:45.400 because you know i i basically when i was 12 a question popped into my mind which was well is it

00:16:52.440 possible for for women to get a sex change and to become men because i had seen men getting these

00:16:57.940 quote-unquote sex changes as they were called back in those days and when i was 12 for really for a

00:17:03.200 variety of reasons i was very curious about this topic and i mean you know this trans obsession

00:17:10.120 initially was no different from any other previous obsession that i've had like when i was eight or nine

00:17:16.220 years old i became fascinated by the world's tallest people because i saw them in the guinness book of

00:17:22.160 world records and we had a home computer and i basically learned how to type while researching

00:17:28.300 the this super rare pituitary tumor that makes people really tall and this condition is called

00:17:33.540 acromegaly and for several years of my childhood i was fixated on learning everything i could about

00:17:41.360 this rare brain tumor to such an extent that i really couldn't focus in my classes in school at all

00:17:46.600 because you know i had very narrow interests and none of them had to do with rare like and none of

00:17:53.240 this stuff that i was learning in school had anything to do with this really rare brain tumor

00:17:56.920 that i was fascinated by so i just didn't pay attention and and and you know i spent my entire

00:18:02.360 school day visualizing the human brain and trying to figure out like is there a way to cut this tumor

00:18:07.420 out without harming the surrounding functions of the brain and then when i was a little bit older i

00:18:12.500 became really interested in in gastric bypass operations like you know back in those days

00:18:19.040 when youtube was pretty unrestricted surgeons would film videos of them performing gastric bypass

00:18:24.540 operations laparoscopically and i would just i would just watch them for hours because i was

00:18:29.880 fascinated by it and so my initial obsession with trans actually started in in quite a different way

00:18:35.480 from a lot of stories you'll hear because i began to be fascinated by it like from a medical

00:18:41.280 perspective and and i started encountering it in in medical journals um but i wasn't really on social

00:18:49.520 media as a kid and it wasn't until a couple years into my my trans obsession that i sort of you know

00:18:57.500 began to see more and more videos of young women you know injecting themselves with testosterone and

00:19:04.220 documenting the process although i will say that when i was 12 there were a few young women there were one

00:19:09.840 two that i found on on youtube um and i was pretty fascinated by that but i'd say that you know from

00:19:16.600 a media perspective outside of the medical journals the types of content that i saw a lot were the

00:19:24.840 stories of these quote-unquote trans kids um there were there was a documentary from frontline there was

00:19:31.220 a documentary that was filmed in the late 90s called becoming cade and the stories of people like

00:19:37.980 chaz jennings were already out there in the media and you know from the moment that i started to see

00:19:44.840 these kids who who were transitioning at very young ages i became obsessed with the idea of it like i

00:19:51.660 you know i need puberty blockers right now even though i've been years into puberty and i knew it

00:19:56.340 wouldn't make a massive difference because i'd done the medical research from a personal perspective

00:20:00.320 i became fixated on you know um embarking upon this transition process and thankfully i have parents

00:20:08.980 who are critical thinkers and and they didn't allow me to do that um and so i don't know like to some

00:20:16.000 extent social media did play a role but i was the person you know i was the one who was initially asking

00:20:22.720 those questions about is it possible for a woman to become a man it wasn't something that was sort of 0.99

00:20:28.620 passively suggested to me by by social media so you were very inquisitive

00:20:33.520 what about your relationship with your parents now our relationship is significantly better

00:20:42.920 now that i'm not trans anymore i mean i will say that like it was a major you know my trans identity

00:20:51.580 was was a major major sticking point in the relationship between between myself and my parents because

00:20:57.460 you know it's just such a stressful topic that when it comes up in families i think a lot of parents

00:21:04.560 are really quick to try to figure out how do we solve this problem and my parents you know they took

00:21:10.780 away my internet they basically installed spyware on my ipad um and this spyware slowed the ipad to such

00:21:19.260 an extent that it became totally unusable because this was a machine that was made in 2011 or 2012

00:21:26.240 and you know they tried to take away my internet which made me all the more determined to go to

00:21:32.900 the library and to go to bookstores and to start to read you know trans-related content from the 90s and

00:21:39.920 early 2000s so i just found other ways to fulfill that fixation and because my parents were so focused

00:21:48.140 on trying to get me to stop wanting to be a boy um i think nobody really thought to to try to help me

00:21:56.340 get to the bottom of why i felt that i needed to be a boy in order to live a happy life and so yeah i

00:22:04.120 would say that that i was i was very inquisitive and my inquisitiveness has gotten me to to great

00:22:11.840 feats in some ways like i i speak four languages because i was just curious i really liked languages

00:22:18.500 and so i mean i grew up speaking english and russian and then i just began to add a couple more languages

00:22:24.240 arabic and hebrew so my inquisitiveness has helped me in a lot of ways but but you know it it also when

00:22:31.900 you're a highly curious child it can also get you to places that are really not appropriate at all

00:22:38.880 for for kids to be in and so yeah i'm i'm just glad that my parents and i are finally on on the

00:22:45.420 same page about this because for so many years when i was living as a man and and trans identified

00:22:51.120 i i didn't want to tell my parents anything about my life because you know i constructed this double

00:22:57.140 life where where in israel very few people could even pick up on the fact that i was a woman because

00:23:02.820 they they look at somebody like this and you know it's such a traditional culture that they don't

00:23:07.440 necessarily know where to place me um and i felt like i couldn't tell my parents much about my life

00:23:13.220 over there because i knew they would disapprove because they sent me over there precisely so that

00:23:18.180 i wouldn't live as a man and and and now that we're on the same page about all of this you know

00:23:25.640 transgender related stuff i'm just our relationship is significantly better and i'm very very grateful for

00:23:32.940 it that's great wow i want to ask you about a story that i know you've been you've been involved

00:23:39.740 in uh both personally and then again with your with your activism uh it's about a dad he is his name

00:23:48.100 is brent bulby and he was jailed in minnesota after what's alleged when he refused to comply with

00:23:56.820 i mean state sanctioned grooming and the transing of of his child and so can you talk about this

00:24:03.340 really quick because you you again done extensive reporting and work on it and again knowing him

00:24:09.320 personally i just i don't think people realize actually maybe people do again i think a lot of

00:24:15.780 eyes were open these past four years as made very obvious uh last week um but just i mean the

00:24:24.340 both elected and unelected bureaucrats that families that parents that common sense americans who

00:24:33.040 intuitively know that men cannot become women and vice versa what we're up against so so can you speak

00:24:38.480 to this just just really quick yeah absolutely so the story of brent bulby is in some ways very

00:24:46.460 complicated and in other ways is really relatable i mean what what we're seeing in in his case is

00:24:53.840 really that that you know as soon as this trans issue comes up like we already know that family

00:25:01.040 courts tend to be slanted towards protecting the rights of mothers over fathers and then when you add

00:25:08.380 this trans issue in there it gives the courts like even more reason if you live in a in a state like

00:25:15.080 minnesota it gives the courts even more of a reason to sort of think that the non-affirming parent

00:25:20.300 is somehow a threat to the children and in in this man's case i mean there has just been years of

00:25:28.800 severe negligence by the courts of of sherburne county and um i mean this this this father he was a he is

00:25:41.080 a very loving father and he has lost everything trying to get his kids back and he was essentially

00:25:49.000 he was jailed for speaking to a reporter about this story because the reporter contacted his ex and

00:25:55.460 asked for a comment which apparently violated a a restraining order so he was jailed and um he

00:26:03.900 believes that you know i made a post about this of course because i'd met this man in the twitter

00:26:08.660 spaces i do i love doing spaces on x and i do them on a nearly daily basis and so this dad kept showing

00:26:15.000 up and discussing his story and so i've i've grown a certain fondness for this guy and i've basically

00:26:22.300 you know i i made a post about it and and you shared it and so you helped it go viral and apparently the

00:26:28.220 bail bonds woman saw this post shortly before he had his day in court like the day after he was he was

00:26:35.360 jailed and um and and she remarked upon the fact that she thought it was ridiculous that a father was

00:26:42.060 being treated in this way and um brent believes that that because of the post that that she saw

00:26:49.960 that you helped go viral that that this bail bonds woman took some some mercy on him and so he's

00:26:57.920 basically been you know charged with violating a couple of restraining orders one for talking to

00:27:04.060 a reporter about his story and secondly for sending a non-threatening email to the ex that was basically to

00:27:11.020 the effect of you know how effing dare you trans our daughter and the courts have been you know in a 0.65

00:27:20.560 in a they've basically been colluding with this man's ex to to take away his kids they've deemed him

00:27:29.920 to be a threat to their safety despite the fact that there is absolutely no no evidence of of this

00:27:37.940 idea i mean the first and what makes this case really troubling is that the courts at first and

00:27:44.020 like different social workers from my understanding were essentially stating that that this man was like

00:27:51.540 an unfit father because he refused to allow his 10 or 11 year old daughter at that time to experiment

00:27:59.420 sexually with a girl her age who was who is essentially like abusing her and and and the social

00:28:07.700 workers deemed that this young child needed to be allowed to quote-unquote experiment with her sexuality

00:28:14.520 and you know from that moment on it just seemed like like we know that courts are already they already

00:28:22.320 tend to rule in favor of mothers but you know in this case it's there's this added layer of you know

00:28:30.080 first it was the grooming surrounding the the question of sexuality which i think is a totally

00:28:35.360 inappropriate question for one considering minor children anyways and then you add this gender

00:28:41.780 identity issue and you know the courts have made it they've like they didn't take away his parental

00:28:48.260 rights they just didn't enforce them and he's currently been assigned a judge named mary yunker who 0.61

00:28:55.580 was extremely negligent in in another case of of an eight-year-old girl named autumn hollow who you know

00:29:03.380 and and this judge didn't enforce the parental rights of this girl's mother despite a lot of

00:29:08.560 evidence of this girl's father being very violent and as a result you know because this mother's

00:29:14.220 parental rights were not enforced the father tragically murdered his eight-year-old daughter

00:29:19.660 and when the mother like sued the county for 30 million dollars this judge you know quietly retired

00:29:26.540 and she's been brought back for some reason that i will never never fully understand to prosecute this

00:29:32.860 dad and so it's it's just it's totally it's totally maddening that that we live in a society

00:29:40.440 where you know i mean all of this is maddening and and like a lot of people i think make the false

00:29:48.800 assumption that everything was fine before gender ideology captured our institutions 0.53

00:29:54.160 and that gender ideology is the reason that we have all of these problems with our institutions 1.00

00:29:59.240 but i think it's quite the opposite i think that in order for all of our institutions to just blindly

00:30:05.800 accept the notion that some men are women that some women are men and that children can be born in the

00:30:12.320 wrong body like the fact that our institutions were so vulnerable to accepting these observably false

00:30:18.840 bad ideas on the one hand and to proliferate them internally from one institution to the next

00:30:25.260 within the united states and then globally throughout the anglophone west it's really evidence that there

00:30:30.380 is something deeply wrong with our institutions and you know whether it comes to men and women's sports

00:30:36.200 or it comes to the medicalization of children or it comes to the hijacking of kids from loving parents

00:30:41.660 who refuse to affirm a transgender identity and to use that as a premise that they're somehow threats to

00:30:47.460 their own children when all they want to do is protect their kids from lifelong medicalization

00:30:52.300 like all the these this series of phenomena really just attest to the fact that there is something

00:30:59.220 extremely like deeply pervasively wrong with our institutions that makes them so weak um and and and

00:31:07.620 and so like just so vulnerable to to ideological capture and i think this crisis with gender ideology

00:31:13.440 has really revealed to every single american that there is something so deeply flawed about our

00:31:20.860 institutions whether it comes to the medical profit motives of big pharma which we see amplified in

00:31:27.680 the case of these pediatric transitions and the carelessness with which vulnerable young adults are

00:31:33.680 transitioned um but it's you know these profit motives are not unique to gender medicine you see that

00:31:40.620 within the entire american health care system that the incentive structure exists where there's an

00:31:47.560 incentive structure which basically prioritizes uh invasive treatments as opposed to less invasive

00:31:53.720 treatments and has totally done away with valuing preventative medicine and it's not because each

00:31:59.020 doctor who each doctor is just an evil person who wants to make a buck it's because like because our

00:32:05.600 entire entire health care system operates on these types of unrestrained profit motives the incentive

00:32:11.140 structure is basically built into you know the way that these doctors and these medical practitioners are taught

00:32:17.240 and similarly like with family courts in the case of brent bolby we see that family courts had deep flaws

00:32:23.200 before i mean it's very hard for loving caring fathers who are not in any way a threat to their kids

00:32:30.180 to have their parental rights you know secured in in in a way that in the in a way that they deserve

00:32:36.980 we already see that it's it's hard for dads to you know to have any kind of win within within these family

00:32:43.620 courts and the issue of gender ideology and the fact that there are certain blue states

00:32:48.740 under certain leaderships like for example tim waltz's minnesota that adopt these ideological beliefs

00:32:54.740 that basically you know some kids are born in the wrong body and if you don't allow them to become

00:33:00.560 lifelong medical patients and get them castrated before they've even held hands with somebody or

00:33:05.740 had their first kiss that you are somehow threatening this child's ability to exist um like the fact that

00:33:13.680 we've adopted these insane beliefs that are based on no good hard science including those suicide

00:33:20.840 statistics those were gathered under extremely dubious circumstances with small sample sizes and

00:33:27.340 misleading poor methodology as are all of the studies that say that you know pediatric transition is a good

00:33:33.940 idea um the the fact that that we live in a society where these beliefs have pervaded our institutions

00:33:40.920 really it just showcases that it showcases the clear rot within these institutions that was always there

00:33:49.220 before but because of the nature of how insane these claims are these claims of gender ideology i think

00:33:54.760 americans are starting to understand that there were actually deep problems within our institution

00:33:59.600 that have existed for a very long time and i really hope that that americans take this opportunity to

00:34:05.740 understand you know because the united states is the most powerful country in the world that we have a lot

00:34:11.440 of influence over the direction that the rest of the world goes like these pediatric transitions

00:34:16.280 could have stayed a niche medical experiment in the netherlands had an american clinician named

00:34:22.040 norman speck not brought this practice to the united states who then exported it to the entire world 0.98

00:34:27.740 because what the united states does other countries follow and so with great power comes great responsibility

00:34:33.520 and when we try to tackle these pervasive issues of gender ideology we must realize that

00:34:40.040 that gender ideology is not in and of itself the problem it is our institutions and something about

00:34:49.240 the structuring of them that makes them so vulnerable to to ideological capture by activists and if we want

00:34:56.600 to prevent this this type of scandal of epic proportion from ever ever happening again we have to we have to

00:35:04.740 begin to figure out where are the holes in our institutions that make them so vulnerable to ideological capture

00:35:09.760 and we need to start fortifying our institutions so that so that we never have to like victimize

00:35:15.960 ourselves and our children to to a scandal of this proportion ever again you i feel like i've being

00:35:24.500 involved in this this space for i mean over two years now i mean that's that's truly one of the more

00:35:31.640 powerful things i've heard and when you think about it i mean it sounds insane to to say what you said out

00:35:38.500 loud how anyone has bought into it but when you think about it you're right it's not just our

00:35:43.760 education system it's corporate america it's our media it's our government it's it's our health care

00:35:50.700 providers it's virtually every realm even seemingly our spiritual leaders in in some senses uh so to hear

00:35:58.380 it out loud and phrase in the way that you just phrased that i think is something that a lot of people

00:36:03.960 need to hear especially those who have become ideologically captured uh those activists who

00:36:12.260 are in those positions of of authority and so my oh my goodness you are just so i mean wise and

00:36:21.720 articulate and intellectual and uh i i think your advocacy uh how you've defended yourself but many

00:36:29.360 generations to come is beyond commendable uh and so where can people follow you uh everything that

00:36:37.360 you've got going on the things that you're reporting on yeah so you can follow me on x on x i am at

00:36:44.700 the peace poet 99 i'm also on on instagram under the name maya dot poet and i have a youtube channel

00:36:55.420 called maya poet as well um i post a lot of content related to this trans issue i i also do a lot of

00:37:03.500 sort of you know threads about these quote-unquote trans kids and i try to analyze sort of how you get

00:37:09.700 from point a where a kid is like innocently playing dress up to the point where the kid gets taken to a

00:37:15.520 doctor's office and castrated and i you know look at each of these individual stories i look at them from

00:37:21.480 the kids perspective from the parents perspective i i do a lot of research about you know the the

00:37:26.980 dutch protocol which is the sort of original clinical protocol used in the netherlands um that that

00:37:32.500 underpins all of pediatric transitions in the world and also i mean if this if this podcast gets out soon

00:37:40.420 we still have a chance of of fundraising for for brent bolby's legal fund because he's been left

00:37:46.840 destitute and without a lawyer and his trial i believe is on november 20th so i can also give

00:37:52.060 you that link as well but um yeah i'm i'm around and and i host twitter spaces and um i just you know

00:38:01.360 my goal on social media is really to start to break down echo chambers and so i i i often find myself

00:38:08.380 hosting spaces on x with people who vehemently disagree with each other about the trans issue like

00:38:14.920 we have trans activists and very strong staunch like gender critical people in the same room

00:38:20.860 discussing topics because you know as long as we all agree to engage in debate that is respectful and

00:38:28.040 and that doesn't use really pernicious logical fallacies like the classic ad hominem or the

00:38:34.720 character attack as long as we remain respectful and agree to debate the topic um you know anybody can

00:38:41.120 come in and have these interesting discussions because i think the you know we need to get this

00:38:47.440 pernicious horrible false ideology out of our institutions once and for all and the only way

00:38:53.260 we do that is if we sort of allow bad ideas to be contested in an open forum and so i just want to say

00:39:01.160 to you thank you for hosting me and you know thank you for all the advocacy that that you've done

00:39:06.700 because seeing your story also sort of helped me to realize how insane this entire crisis of gender 0.72

00:39:12.740 ideology even is i mean one of the first like kind of gender critical or trans critical pieces of

00:39:19.780 content that i had seen was actually a documentary made by russia today and it was done in english but

00:39:26.360 i i watched it dubbed in in russian and it was about the issue of men and women's sports and after i saw

00:39:33.340 that documentary because i watched it in russian i think i had to use so much cognitive effort on just

00:39:38.080 trying to understand the arguments instead of arguing with the arguments that like i i really i

00:39:44.460 watched it a couple times and then i started to see your story pop up over and over again and that was

00:39:49.660 really the first like one of the first moments where i began to realize that the logical extension of

00:39:56.160 these beliefs when you take these beliefs that like some men can be women or vice versa to their

00:40:01.920 logical conclusion you end up with not only absurdities but with with atrocities and so i just

00:40:08.180 want to thank you for exposing this and for and for having me on and and you ask incredible questions

00:40:14.280 you're really good at this like like here we thought you were just like a really good swimmer but it turns

00:40:19.020 out you're a really good interviewer too so thank you so much well thank you um yes make sure you follow

00:40:25.400 maya on x all the things she mentioned uh she had elon musk actually just a few weeks ago maybe

00:40:30.800 however long ago two weeks ago maybe uh amplify a lot of her content and the work that she did on a

00:40:37.560 couple threads so uh that should be all the credibility uh that she needs and for you to go

00:40:43.900 follow her so maya thank you thank you thank you we appreciate you thank you so much riley i hope you

00:40:49.140 have a fantastic day all right thank you guys for tuning in to the gains for girls podcast

00:40:53.760 uh i hope you learned something from maya i mean i did i felt like i know everything there is to know

00:41:00.820 about this movement uh but but listening to how articulate she is uh how much research she has done

00:41:07.320 it it's impressive at least so again go follow her on all the things she mentioned you can follow her

00:41:13.280 on x on instagram on youtube uh you can check out all things gains for girls at outkick.com make sure

00:41:19.740 you do that like you can comment you can share these episodes uh far and wide i encourage you to do so

00:41:27.320 and we will see you again next week

Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - November 20, 2024

Living Through War： A Catalyst for Change

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