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00:00:34.600 What does the Pope, vultures in the podcast sphere, and aliens all have in common?

00:00:39.700 All things we're talking about on today's episode of The Riley Gaines Show with Michael Knowles.

00:00:45.480 Well, Michael, thank you for joining The Riley Gaines Show.

00:00:48.740 I want to talk about some of the culture stuff in a minute and the shifts that we are seeing there.

00:00:52.520 But actually, one of the biggest shifts that we're seeing right now is happening in religion.

00:00:58.220 There's study after study pertaining to really the general public as a whole.

00:01:02.840 But I think most specifically and most importantly, a rise in younger people, my generation, Gen Z, attending church, especially young men.

00:01:12.260 Can you talk about this, returning to faith, but I think even more specifically, kind of the convert to Catholicism?

00:01:19.480 Yes, the Catholics have really been great beneficiaries of this return to the faith.

00:01:25.120 I think adult conversions in the U.S., specifically to Catholicism, are up 38% year over year this year.

00:01:31.720 And that's after last year, which saw similar numbers increase.

00:01:34.940 So why is it?

00:01:36.480 The reason that there's a return to religion generally is because, one, the fall away from religion marked by the new atheism was totally fake.

00:01:45.780 The new atheism was a hoax. 0.84

00:01:47.360 It was a response to 9-11 when Muslims committed terror attacks, and the so-called new atheists of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, they pulled a little slate of hand. 0.89

00:02:02.380 They said that the problems that are evident in Islam are therefore representative of all religion, and they really used it as a way to attack Christianity, which is ironic, because I don't think Christians flew planes into airplanes, into buildings, rather. 0.75

00:02:14.300 So it was always kind of fake. Christopher Hitchens wrote this famous book, God is Not Great. I remember reading that book as a boy, and it occurred to me that he doesn't even argue that God is not great. It's not really an argument against God, or it's an argument, I don't know, of an assemblage of Reddit-tier atheist complaints about religious people. So he didn't...

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00:03:06.300 prove his thesis. He didn't really even argue his thesis. And the fact is, man is a religious

00:03:12.720 being. We have a God-shaped hole in our heart. There is a reason that all societies, for all

00:03:18.020 of history everywhere, have grappled with religious questions. You're not going to erase

00:03:22.100 that with some pithy slogan uttered by Christopher Hitchens on a cable news hit. But that's why

00:03:26.880 people just realized, okay, this atheist stuff is just dumb. So, okay, why Catholicism? This 0.99

00:03:33.200 This pertains to what we were just talking about earlier on transgenderism, because the transgender claim really boiled down, basically, is that my body has nothing to do with who I really am.

00:03:47.600 So you can have beautiful Riley Gaines there, nice long hair, all sorts of feminine features.

00:03:53.140 But contrary to all physical appearance, she might really be a boy.

00:03:57.840 We know that that isn't true.

00:03:59.480 But what does that say about how we're even thinking of the question?

00:04:02.040 It says that we don't recognize the relation of our immaterial selves, our soul, our spirit, to our body.

00:04:10.540 But we're both of those things.

00:04:12.040 We're what Aristotle called a hylomorphic being, an immaterial part but also a material part.

00:04:17.640 The angels are just immaterial.

00:04:19.740 The, I don't know, my tumbler here, my microphone is just material.

00:04:23.580 It's no rational soul to it.

00:04:25.580 But we are weirdly a combination of these two things.

00:04:28.560 So many religious traditions, especially some of the more evangelical or low church Protestant traditions, they get that God exists.

00:04:37.460 They get that Jesus is who he says he is.

00:04:39.480 They get that we have to live our life in community and be aware of God and read our Bible and all the rest.

00:04:45.040 But one thing that they lack, which the more mainline Protestant churches have to some degree, though they've declined for other reasons, that Eastern Orthodoxy has and that especially Catholicism has, is a recognition that we are physical beings.

00:04:59.160 And being physical beings, we need to do something with our bodies.

00:05:03.880 So a liturgical tradition, the mass where you get up and you kneel down and you pray and you put your hands together,

00:05:10.580 that rather than being vain or trivial, that simply acknowledges a part of our nature,

00:05:16.000 which is that we are bodies moving in time and space.

00:05:18.680 And then at the extreme of that, you have sacramental theology, which, again, lots of Protestant traditions have,

00:05:25.400 but the Catholics really, really emphasize.

00:05:27.280 And it's the idea that, well, to use the example of the Blessed Sacrament, that there is this host, which, when it is consecrated by the priest, becomes the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus, contrary to appearances, in most cases, because there actually are Eucharistic miracles.

00:05:44.160 But in most cases, it just looks like a host.

00:05:46.440 But Christians believe, Catholics believe, at least, that this is the real body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ. 0.87

00:05:52.260 And this goes all the way back to the early church. 0.90

00:05:54.580 Justin Martyr is writing about this in the First Apology.

00:05:56.560 Really, all the church fathers and then later the doctors of the church are writing about this, and they say this is really confusing to people who are not Christian, because they think it's just bread and you eat it as a kind of symbol.

00:06:08.100 But we say that it's really Christ.

00:06:11.060 Why?

00:06:11.620 Why does it matter?

00:06:13.280 You know, I think a lot of people would say, look, if I think it's a symbol or I think it's really Christ or, you know, in the end, it doesn't really matter.

00:06:22.080 I think the reason that young people, especially right now, think it does matter is because human beings, being physical and immaterial, need a regular encounter where the two meet.

00:06:35.260 And that's what a sacrament promises.

00:06:37.080 A sacrament says there is this place in the world where the divine is encountering the terrestrial, where the metaphysical is encountering the physical.

00:06:46.820 And there's actually a union of those two things.

00:06:48.660 And the reason why human beings long for that, I mean, obviously, I think that's real for all sorts of reasons coming from scripture and the history of Christianity.

00:06:56.800 But the reason that human beings naturally long for that is because we're kind of like that, too.

00:07:02.020 You know, what the modern materialists, secularists describe as the tragic nature of humanity, the fact that we're born and we can perceive universals and we know that there's justice and we long for eternal life, but we know we're going to die.

00:07:16.280 they view as the real tragedy of humanity, this kind of joke played upon us.

00:07:21.060 But it doesn't need to be a tragedy.

00:07:23.220 This is, in fact, what our Lord is addressing.

00:07:24.820 He says, if you believe in me, you can have eternal life.

00:07:28.200 So getting the body back into it is so important.

00:07:31.340 It's not just the transgenderists who need this thing.

00:07:35.160 We all live in a way that is mediated much of the time by virtual reality.

00:07:40.980 You and I are speaking right now through a screen because,

00:07:44.100 Because, actually, we do live pretty close to each other, but, you know, people are on the road, people are traveling, so we're meeting that way.

00:07:49.760 And I get a fair bit of Riley when I'm looking through the screen, but I'm not getting the full Riley.

00:07:54.460 You know, we're not sitting down having a meal or something like that.

00:07:56.920 And we live our lives this way, with our families, with our coworkers.

00:08:01.720 People have their meetings on computers now.

00:08:03.960 In fact, in many cases, we view our social media avatars, our Instagram account, our Twitter account, as our real identity.

00:08:11.280 But, of course, that's missing out on so much of us.

00:08:13.620 And the final piece of this, I think, as to why this is all happening now is because we've just emerged from COVID five years ago in which we took this to an extreme.

00:08:23.560 We were told you actually don't need any physical existence.

00:08:28.000 You can have holidays over Zoom.

00:08:30.520 You can work from your home.

00:08:32.740 You can order food to come to your door.

00:08:35.760 You don't even need to go grocery shopping anymore.

00:08:37.460 You certainly shouldn't go to church.

00:08:39.060 We're going to lock down everything.

00:08:40.420 You're not going to travel.

00:08:41.080 And that is simply inhuman.

00:08:43.020 That is contrary to the way that we are, because I still I still do have blood pumping through my veins and I was born at a particular date.

00:08:49.940 I'm going to die at a particular date. I don't know when it is.

00:08:52.280 But but the physical temporal world is really a part of who we are.

00:08:56.780 And I think a religious traditions that speak to that particularly are going to grow, particularly as people come out of this confusion.

00:09:06.640 Yeah, it's interesting talking about the virtual aspect of it all. Critical thinking is so low and so such a rare trait in today's world. It's honestly not really even taught. What role do you think AI plays in that? Do you think young people are seeking out artificial intelligence to answer these questions as well?

00:09:30.300 Again, I just think the critical thinking aspect, it honestly, it's scary to me.

00:09:36.600 My little sister, she's still in high school.

00:09:38.240 She's 17.

00:09:39.380 She goes to, you know, your run-of-the-mill public school here in Tennessee, and she's

00:09:43.560 very smart.

00:09:44.180 She's very intellectual, but she never has to study.

00:09:46.800 She never has homework. 0.73

00:09:48.200 I'm scared for her to continue on into college and even post-college, her career, whatever

00:09:53.020 that may be, because she never really has to apply herself.

00:09:57.440 Do you think AI has, like, a role or a play in answering some of those existential questions young kids may have?

00:10:04.440 Very diplomatically put, Riley, because it's one of the great drivers of what could be, gosh, I don't know, the loss of our very humanity.

00:10:15.240 Not to sound too hyperbolic about it, but people are treating AI as if it is God.

00:10:21.620 It's kind of annoying even in, like, little Twitter debates and things when people say, Grok, is this true?

00:10:25.920 I blocked Grok on my X account. I blocked Grok. I'm so sick of the people or that bot. I don't even fully understand AI, how it's able to do what it does in a matter of seconds. I blocked it. I'm so sick of seeing that in my replies.

00:10:41.240 Yes, yes, because there is a limited place for it. You say someone cites a study and you say, Grock, is this what the study says? And maybe much of the time Grock will give you an answer on no, actually, it has these numbers in this place. But whenever you get to a question of real substance, Grock is not going to be helpful.

00:10:59.880 You know, if you say, hey, Grok, should people be allowed to have abortions?

00:11:04.020 You are bringing in so many philosophical and anthropological premises that are much disputed in society and always have been that Grok loses its authority unless Grok really is God, which it's not. 0.83

00:11:20.220 Grok is not even a human intelligence.

00:11:21.660 And so the Bible talks about this. 0.99

00:11:24.220 You know, the Bible warns against worshiping dumb idols, lest we become like them. 0.98

00:11:30.560 This is the problem. 0.99

00:11:31.460 You become like what you worship.

00:11:34.160 Cult and culture come from the same root word.

00:11:36.440 And so when we ask Grok every single question that we have, that is an act of worship. 0.98

00:11:42.740 We are treating Grok as we should treat God, or at the very least, I don't know, wise people,

00:11:48.100 people who are participating to some degree in the life of God. 1.00

00:11:51.580 And so you see this, especially for school kids, they lose their right footing.

00:11:57.980 They're not oriented the right way.

00:11:59.380 But then they've been deprived of generating the skills that allow us to flourish.

00:12:06.380 These days, you cannot assign a paper in class because there's no reason to believe that

00:12:13.000 anyone's actually going to write the paper.

00:12:14.340 They might have Grock write the paper for them.

00:12:15.900 Maybe they'll gussy it up a little bit.

00:12:17.200 So you kind of have to go back to the blue book of in-person writing.

00:12:19.820 But why do your teachers assign you a paper in the first place? The teachers assign you a paper so that you will learn how to write, because to write well is to think clearly, which is why it's so hard, as David McCullough points out.

00:12:31.300 If you graduate from middle school, much less high school, much less a university or a very prestigious university, without the ability to write, you cannot properly think.

00:12:43.040 And this will destroy your freedom.

00:12:46.140 I mean, I guess one inducement that I would have for young people who are relying on AI is, why are you getting an education?

00:12:52.760 The purpose of an education, of the liberal arts, is so that you can make sense of your freedom.

00:12:58.800 It's to make a free person.

00:13:00.540 Because freedom is, two parts, willing, you know, the ability to will properly.

00:13:06.260 If you're undisciplined, if you have addictions and vices, then you can't really be free.

00:13:10.740 It's like Hunter Biden.

00:13:11.400 Hunter Biden's super smart. He's very intelligent and well-educated, but he never mastered his will, so he's a slave. He's a crackhead who goes and visits hookers, right? So there's the willing part, and then that is predicated on knowledge. If you're ignorant, you can't be free either. This is why we don't let little children vote. The Democrats are trying to let little children vote, but generally we shouldn't. 0.84

00:13:30.820 So to be a free person, you have to know things and you have to exercise your intelligence and you have to discipline your will.

00:13:38.060 And unfortunately, AI has the potential to deprive you of both of those things because you never develop the habits of discipline that allow you to live a flourishing life and to make sense of your freedom.

00:13:47.680 And you never have to know anything.

00:13:49.280 You never have to learn anything at all because you can just say, hey, Grok, is this true? 0.79

00:13:52.460 And so it's a major, major threat. 1.00

00:13:55.580 And the conclusion of it will be people who are as dumb as the idol that they worship. 1.00

00:14:00.400 Yeah, it's very true. And yeah, a lot of the online discourse that you see, even from, I mean, let's call them MAGA influencers, you can always tell when they're using Grok or ChadGPT, there's that like hyphen in there. 0.99

00:14:16.540 Can I sound off on this, Riley? 0.95

00:14:20.100 Yes, it's the M-dash. 1.00

00:14:21.980 And I want to sound off on this because I love the M-dash.

00:14:25.920 A lot of millennials, especially who are of a slightly literary bent, we love the M-dash.

00:14:31.200 And I remember it was actually Ben Shapiro's father who first introduced me to the M-dash,

00:14:35.020 a beautiful tool of punctuation 10 years ago, more than 10 years ago.

00:14:39.620 And now, any time you use the M-dash, they think you got your writing from Grok.

00:14:44.420 So they do that.

00:14:45.340 That's really annoying.

00:14:46.040 And then the other thing they do, the AI posts always end with, you know, this isn't an interview, it's an intervention.

00:14:52.740 There's always this kind of parallelism.

00:14:54.420 It's not this, semicolon, it's that, or usually more MDash.

00:14:58.020 And it's such cheap writing.

00:14:59.820 So if you are, if you have read any books at all, you can identify the AI slop.

00:15:06.660 You know the AI writing.

00:15:07.960 And you see it all throughout social media, and people are probably being paid to post it, and they're at least getting their payouts on X, for example.

00:15:14.100 And it just it's you just have to ask yourself, hold on, what is this for? Twitter, as I understand it, is for owning the libs. That's its purpose. That is its T loss of Twitter. And then after that, it's keeping up with the news or whatever, interacting with people.

00:15:31.720 But now you're just getting slop that is being written by someone else.

00:15:36.720 And when you respond to it, you are asking Grok to write slop for you.

00:15:40.640 And it's just slop all the way down.

00:15:42.320 And I say at a certain point, are any human beings actually interacting?

00:15:45.960 No.

00:15:47.040 Yeah, no. 1.00

00:15:48.360 I think the slogan should be make the M-dash great again. 1.00

00:15:52.320 But I have, I found myself where I'm so unmotivated to even open the X app anymore. 0.99

00:16:00.080 because you get on there and there's so much anger and rage and people hiding behind a screen.

00:16:05.380 And as you've said, we've talked about very obviously AI generated talking points with

00:16:10.920 the clear contradictories. It's either this or that. I so know what you're talking about. So

00:16:16.800 I'm in full agreement there. In talking about Catholicism, I've got to mention the Pope,

00:16:22.620 of course. He's been criticized and his successor, for that matter, by many conservatives for seeming

00:16:29.560 to lean left on certain issues, what's kind of the line between pastoral guidance and

00:16:38.220 maybe overreach?

00:16:39.640 Like, do you think the church's leadership has become too political, not political enough?

00:16:44.780 What's kind of the balance here?

00:16:46.400 No, it's not too political, though.

00:16:47.700 I know that a lot of people, especially people who are not huge nerds of church history and

00:16:53.220 who, you know, I understand why they might come to that conclusion, but it's totally

00:16:57.780 misguided.

00:16:58.740 First of all, as long as you don't have armies between the emperor and the papacy literally warring against each other in, like, northern Italy, we are not even close to peak politicized papacy, okay?

00:17:10.220 I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Middle Ages, but you actually had popes and emperors going to war with each other.

00:17:16.860 And the reason is there's always a tension between the temporal power and the spiritual authority.

00:17:21.580 This goes back to the earliest days of the church, and you see it really come out to the fore at the end of the 5th century.

00:17:28.320 Pope Gelasius I, in 494, writes a letter to the Byzantine emperor Anastasius.

00:17:34.640 And in the letter, he says, look, I'm going to say some stuff about politics sometimes.

00:17:39.920 There are two spheres here.

00:17:41.180 You have power over the political realm.

00:17:45.540 You know, you've got to pass laws and enforce laws and arrest criminals and regulate the economy and all the rest.

00:17:49.640 But I have an authority as well that I am tasked with to care for the spiritual needs of our people.

00:17:55.740 And you can never totally divorce those, in part because the pope is a shepherd.

00:18:02.580 He leads a flock that lives in politics in time and space.

00:18:06.460 And because the emperor has to have recourse to religion in order to pass laws and enforce laws, all of which require recourse to the moral law and ultimately spiritual authority.

00:18:15.760 So there's going to be a little tension there.

00:18:17.480 There always has been.

00:18:18.780 And Trump, I mean, he's the president of the United States, but practically speaking, he's the emperor.

00:18:22.940 He's the emperor of the world.

00:18:23.980 And so you're especially going to see that come out between this pope and this president.

00:18:28.780 Now, as to whether or not the pope is a leftist, he just isn't.

00:18:33.880 I don't know how else to put it.

00:18:35.880 I know he's speaking out to some degree about the Iran war, though it's worth pointing out he's never called the Iran war unjust.

00:18:42.220 Some bishops have, very liberal bishops have.

00:18:44.340 The pope has not.

00:18:45.300 He's reserved his criticisms to be pretty precise.

00:18:47.820 He hasn't really named Trump by name in those criticisms.

00:18:50.760 On immigration, the pope is not for open borders.

00:18:53.680 He gave a speech just last year in which he said nations obviously should have borders.

00:18:57.780 Nobody can seriously be for totally open borders.

00:19:00.220 So even there, the pope's view is relatively moderate.

00:19:03.720 And then on almost all of the other issues, the pope, this pope and really all popes, is ironically to the right of like every American politician, including the diehard right wing conservative people.

00:19:17.980 The pope thinks that abortion is wrong.

00:19:20.740 always the pope thinks all popes do just by virtue of the office and by virtue of being catholic

00:19:25.740 the pope thinks that marriage is between a man and a woman and that same-sex marriage is totally 0.51

00:19:29.800 ridiculous the pope opposes contraception the pope obviously opposes transgenderism the pope

00:19:35.160 does not believe that you can divorce the political order from the moral order the pope you know 0.98

00:19:39.820 like basically any way you slice it the pope is more right wing and the reason for that

00:19:45.460 is that even the terms left and right

00:19:47.780 come out of the French Revolution

00:19:49.300 when the National Assembly was split

00:19:51.900 and the people who supported the church

00:19:53.760 were on the right side of the assembly

00:19:55.400 and the people who hated the church

00:19:56.680 were on the left side of the assembly.

00:19:58.040 So, you know, the right is kind of by definition

00:20:00.340 the religious group.

00:20:02.140 And then on this pope in particular,

00:20:04.100 another little tidbit,

00:20:05.520 he's an American pope.

00:20:06.620 He's the first one we've ever had,

00:20:08.420 which creates this unique circumstance

00:20:10.380 where we can check his voting record.

00:20:13.380 He's an American citizen who's voted in elections

00:20:15.440 until very, very recently. He was just elected Pope. And the Pope is a Republican. He's a

00:20:20.340 registered Republican. So the idea that he's a hippie or a communist or even a centered Democrat

00:20:27.340 is absurd and demonstrably false. We have our first registered Republican Pope. Let's take

00:20:34.920 the win. Let's take the W, guys. I'm into it. Yeah. Now, on all of those issues that you just

00:20:40.940 mentioned, our former president was on the other side of them, yet he claims to be a Catholic.

00:20:48.120 And meanwhile, our former president, who, you know, Biden made such a show about how Catholic

00:20:54.020 he was. He was imprisoning Catholic grannies for opposing abortion. He was sending in jackbooted 0.95

00:21:02.180 thugs to spy on Catholic churches. When he was vice president in the Obama administration,

00:21:07.380 They were suing nuns because the nuns didn't want to pay for abortions.

00:21:13.140 You know, we were in such a sorry state. 0.84

00:21:16.980 And now I think what you're seeing, especially with those young converts we were talking about at the top of the show,

00:21:22.400 is you are seeing that the young people who are entering the church across religious traditions and especially with Catholicism,

00:21:29.480 they are not entering for some boomer coded lib worldly kind of religion.

00:21:35.660 they want they want the real stuff you know they don't want birkenstocks and acoustic guitars

00:21:40.860 they want the the real heavy stuff uh and i think what you're going to see is that

00:21:46.820 democrat biden-esque kind of religion that's going to fall by the wayside because the best

00:21:54.080 thing that you could say about it is that it's lukewarm and we know what our lord says about

00:21:57.980 about that which is lukewarm you could also say that it's downright evil because they're supporting

00:22:02.500 the mutilation of children, the slaughter of babies, the imprisonment of nuns.

00:22:07.560 But most charitably, you'd say it's lukewarm. 0.82

00:22:09.780 The young converts, they don't want lukewarm religion.

00:22:12.120 They can get lukewarm, they can get the world any day of the week.

00:22:15.060 The reason that they're going to a different place on Sunday is to be elevated up to heaven.

00:22:21.100 Okay, I want to tell you guys about something I actually think is really worth your time,

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00:22:30.260 there is a new film out right now called Animal Farm. Of course, this is an animated adaptation

00:22:35.740 of the classic George Orwell story. Now, I know a lot of you probably read Animal Farm in school.

00:22:42.060 I remember reading it my freshman year of high school in Coach Moran's class. He was the history

00:22:47.120 teacher who coached the soccer team. But this version, it brings it to life, that story. It

00:22:51.420 brings it to life in a way that's actually engaging. I actually found it to be pretty funny.

00:22:55.640 And of course, the storyline itself is eye opening. What I like about this film, it wasn't just entertainment, it actually leaves you thinking, it sparks conversations, it's something that you could watch with your kids, especially if you have older kids. And it's something that you can actually talk about afterwards. I love this film, it was brought by Angel Studios, of course, they have been fantastic across the board.

00:23:17.640 So it's one of those projects that people who genuinely cared enough about it to make it happen, which I respect.

00:23:24.720 Animal Farm, it is in theaters now. Tickets are still available.

00:23:28.040 You can go grab yours at angel.com slash RG and let me know what you think after you watch it.

00:23:36.220 Congressman Brandon Gill, he just had a fantastic line of questioning earlier this week.

00:23:42.020 We have a clip. Let's play it really quick.

00:23:43.480 You're an advocate for abortion, for abortion policy.

00:23:47.220 What's your favorite type of abortion?

00:23:50.240 I am an advocate for patients having access to the full realm of reproductive health care.

00:23:55.840 But do you have a preferred method of abortion that you like?

00:23:59.300 I do not.

00:24:01.240 Let me read through a couple different methods, and I want to get your take on how much you like these. 0.94

00:24:06.820 The first type is called a suction abortion.

00:24:09.340 this is when the cervix is dilated and a strong suction 29 times the power of a household vacuum

00:24:17.760 cleaner tears the baby's body apart and sucks it through the hose into a container do you prefer

00:24:23.540 that method i stand by my former testimony that sounds kind of gross doesn't it sounds pretty

00:24:30.880 gruesome do you agree it does to me i stand by um how i answered your question fully and accurately

00:24:37.520 He goes on to list many, many more ways of horrifically dismembering developing babies in the womb.

00:24:45.760 But I thought this was so well done because it was so matter of fact.

00:24:51.000 Like, what's your favorite kind of abortion?

00:24:53.900 What do you think about this kind?

00:24:55.020 Do you think this sounds gross?

00:24:57.620 Thoughts on this?

00:24:58.520 I think there's a really, really bright future for Brandon Gill.

00:25:02.500 He's been fantastic his time in Congress thus far.

00:25:05.400 Brandon Gill is absolutely killing it.

00:25:06.880 the guy's a superstar. This question was brilliant, just as a political tactic.

00:25:12.580 Because in politics, you have to get real practical. So I love political philosophy

00:25:17.580 and debates over ideology. But for it to have a political effect, you have to get real practical.

00:25:23.600 And what this most closely reminded me of is my colleague, our pal Matt Walsh, did that movie,

00:25:28.760 What is a Woman?, which Marsha Blackburn from the Senate brought to fore when she was grilling

00:25:33.060 the Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson said, what is a woman? What's your favorite abortion 0.98

00:25:38.320 is a question like that. Because the woman that he's speaking to is an abortion advocate. She's

00:25:44.160 a supporter of abortion. I'm a supporter of cigars. I love if you said, what's your favorite 0.87

00:25:50.160 cigar? I'd say it's a Mayflower cigar. What other cigars? I also like Oliva cigars. I also like

00:25:54.340 Perdomo cigars. I also like this cigar and that cigar. I like cheesesteaks. You said, Michael,

00:25:59.260 what's your favorite? I'm a cheesesteak advocate. What's your favorite cheesesteak? I could tell

00:26:02.440 Well, I like Pat's a little more than Gino's, and I like this and that.

00:26:05.780 In no case would I say, well, I don't want to answer that question.

00:26:08.760 I don't want to talk about that.

00:26:10.380 Well, if you're an abortion advocate, then you must like abortion.

00:26:14.820 You support it.

00:26:15.980 Well, okay, what's your favorite?

00:26:17.840 And they won't answer, especially in recent years.

00:26:20.640 The abortion supporters have relied more than ever on euphemisms.

00:26:25.080 They often don't even use the word abortion.

00:26:27.020 They'll say it's women's health, it's reproductive choice,

00:26:29.540 It's ever more abstract euphemisms.

00:26:33.360 But even when referring to the baby, it's a clump of cells.

00:26:37.820 It's a fetus.

00:26:39.540 Baby.

00:26:40.160 Yes, they have to say fetus, which is a Latin word that just means baby.

00:26:43.180 But they have to abstract it a little bit because most people don't speak Latin.

00:26:45.960 So they have to abstract it a little bit.

00:26:47.740 And so Brandon Gill makes it really, really easy.

00:26:50.600 If you're an abortion advocate, what's your favorite kind?

00:26:53.500 Why don't have a favorite kind?

00:26:55.160 Why don't you have a favorite kind?

00:26:56.840 Because it's evil.

00:26:57.640 That's the that's the inescapable conclusion that you have to get to. And it's why when the Democrats shifted away from their previously also incoherent stance, which was the Hillary Clinton stance, I want abortion to be safe, legal and rare. Hillary Clinton is there admitting that abortion is wrong and she's incoherently saying we should have it anyway.

00:27:15.520 But at least she was acknowledging the reality. 0.99

00:27:17.820 It's wrong.

00:27:18.620 They shifted away from that.

00:27:19.620 They shifted 10 years ago to shout your abortion, be proud of your abortion, have parades for your abortions, abortion on demand at any moment.

00:27:27.060 And so when they shifted away from that, it gave license to any normal person to say, OK, well, what's your favorite kind?

00:27:34.820 What is it that you like about abortion?

00:27:37.040 And they can't really answer that because it's wrong and it's manifestly wrong.

00:27:42.080 So it's it's this beautiful question.

00:27:44.020 I can't believe really that pro-lifers haven't asked that before, but I want to hear this from every pro-lifer out there on the street, every Republican politician.

00:27:52.440 Ask the people, okay, you like abortion. I don't like abortion. I don't look, I guess you like chocolate. I like vanilla.

00:27:58.500 You like abortion. I don't like abortion. So what's your favorite kind?

00:28:02.240 The very fact that they can't answer tells you everything you have to know about the issue.

00:28:05.640 Yeah, it's, I would be curious if you approach your standard leftist who claims to be pro-choice in the streets, if you ask them this, if they would feel any shame, because I think oftentimes, at least in the very far, far left fringe, the kind that we see online, the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's death, the people who are in the streets of San Francisco at these pride events, honestly, I don't even feel like they would have shame in answering.

00:28:33.280 So to see this interaction where it kind of took her back and she didn't really know how to answer, I certainly think is a step in the right direction and just giving all of us the transparency of understanding how to better communicate this.

00:28:47.600 I think especially going into 2026 and 2028, where abortion has historically been an issue that conservatives, they lose on or quite simply, they just don't want to touch for fear of being on the wrong side of the issue, at least politically.

00:29:01.100 So, masterclass. President Trump, of course, he's on his second term. It is underway. Are you fearful of the MAGA movement? What's that going to look like when President Trump doesn't run the third time? Maybe he does. He trolls all the time about it.

00:29:19.280 But what does the MAGA movement look like post-Trump?

00:29:22.960 Like, do you think this is bigger than just one person?

00:29:26.420 Does it risk fracturing?

00:29:27.580 We've seen a lot of infighting on the right as of recently, I would say the past eight-ish

00:29:32.560 months at this point.

00:29:33.740 What do you think that future looks like?

00:29:36.140 MAGA is Trump, full stop.

00:29:38.280 Now, this doesn't mean that MAGA ends after Trump leaves office, because most likely Trump

00:29:43.700 will be the kingmaker in 2028.

00:29:46.780 There's a little risk of that because of the Iran war. 0.60

00:29:49.840 The Iran war could spiral out of control.

00:29:52.500 This was one of the arguments against the strikes on Iran is it could have cascading effects that overwhelm what is an incredible legacy thus far from President Trump.

00:30:00.600 So there's some risk, but I would still put my money on Trump's the kingmaker.

00:30:04.480 So he is MAGA and he'll he'll pick who the nominee is.

00:30:07.000 There is infighting.

00:30:08.200 You're right.

00:30:08.600 It is largely among the podcast class.

00:30:11.060 And the reason for that, look, I'm part of the podcast class, too.

00:30:13.720 But the reason for that is there's been a divergence of incentives.

00:30:18.240 So in 2024, the incentives of the politicians and the podcasters were entirely aligned.

00:30:23.160 We had the same enemy.

00:30:24.680 We were appealing to the same audience.

00:30:27.240 The more you invade against the left and try to help Republicans win, the more clicks you got, the more views you got.

00:30:34.560 And obviously for the politicians, the more likely they were to be elected.

00:30:36.920 Now that Republicans are entirely in power, it's very difficult to get views and clicks when you're the one defending the government, because any government is going to be disappointing. It can't do everything. And so there, I think you started to see the interests diverge. There were some real ideological disagreements, notably over the Iran war, but they were more pronounced in the podcast class than they were among ordinary voters.

00:30:59.880 So there, I think you saw that that system break apart even more. I'm not that concerned about the right wing civil war, because I think it's mostly a phenomenon of podcasters who have their own incentives. But I am concerned.

00:31:12.960 You're talking about those incentives. You mean like monetary gain?

00:31:18.020 Yeah, not just monetary gain. I mean, I don't mean I don't mean to be casting too many aspersions of cynicism, but just attention.

00:31:25.080 You know, a broadcaster thrives on attention. He has to get views and clicks and you get money as a result of that, too.

00:31:32.960 But that's what he does. A politician has to go get votes. A podcaster has to go get clicks.

00:31:38.260 And so when the podcaster's nominal party, at least, is in power, it's not very exciting to say, hey, guys, everything is going really well.

00:31:49.340 Hey, look what the government just did. Don't you guys love the government? That doesn't really appeal.

00:31:54.240 And so there is an incentive, especially as the podcaster, the new media organization has frayed from networks.

00:32:03.460 You used to have cable networks like Fox. Then you would have new media networks like the Daily Wire.

00:32:08.220 We're kind of the last one, or we're one of the last ones,

00:32:11.040 because increasingly the new media have just become independent creators.

00:32:15.520 Now, this creates some other problems, because when you have a network,

00:32:18.900 the network hosts have to get along, they have to see each other more frequently,

00:32:22.200 they hash things out in person.

00:32:24.000 When you have independent creators, all of a sudden it's a war of all against all.

00:32:27.480 So every single person is your competition, and that creates incentives.

00:32:31.820 Some people resist them, but it does create incentives for more sensational kind of commentary,

00:32:36.540 a more radical kind of commentary, gossip, detraction, and most importantly, opposition.

00:32:44.340 The media always thrive when they're in opposition.

00:32:47.020 So, you know, basically the minute Trump won, that created a divergence.

00:32:50.560 This was all compounded by the assassination of Charlie,

00:32:53.280 because Charlie, and I have an identical view of how to interact in politics that Charlie did,

00:32:58.860 but it's an unpopular view, which is you need to keep the coalition together.

00:33:03.480 Charlie was very, very good at bringing in people, many of whom hate each other, to get along and play nice and keep their eye on the prize.

00:33:09.940 And he kept very toxic elements out, and he would sometimes shuffle the deck.

00:33:13.500 But he was very, very good at that.

00:33:15.220 I mean, that was his real guiding action.

00:33:18.780 When he was assassinated by the left, some people tried to cope and say, well, you know, actually, we're going to be stronger than ever.

00:33:25.820 But I never really thought that would happen because, very sadly, assassinations work.

00:33:31.280 That's why people keep doing them, you know.

00:33:32.740 And so his loss has been immensely felt. Now, that said, we've talked about the podcast class. What about the actual political coalition? Rank and file voters who might show up at the midterms, might not, might support J.D. Vance or whoever the nominee is in 2028.

00:33:48.460 Right. My chief concern there, my maybe my sole concern is the war in Iran, because the war in Iran, it's sort of over right now, weirdly within Trump's time scale, you know, within six weeks.

00:34:01.800 But we're in this tenuous ceasefire and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed because there's a blockade and then President Trump's double reverse UNO card blockade.

00:34:09.240 So now you have a double blockade every day that goes by that 20 percent of the world's oil is not getting through there.

00:34:15.020 not to mention LNG, not to mention petrochemicals, not to mention fertilizer,

00:34:18.880 every day that goes by is going to cause consequences that will be paid by the global economy. 0.92

00:34:25.400 So if this continues, and I think the Iranian regime is pretty durable, you know, 0.98

00:34:29.800 give the devils their due, they're pretty good at holding on to power. 1.00

00:34:33.380 Every day that goes by is increasing the odds of a global recession,

00:34:36.620 is already now, we're finally starting to see the cost of oil really start to go up well over $100 a barrel.

00:34:41.840 That is going to create economic and political pain that voters will be aware of at the ballot box and that could throw all of the fraying disagreements in the actual political coalition, could really burst them into light.

00:35:00.420 That's what we saw happen exactly at the end of the Bush administration because of the Iraq war.

00:35:04.600 Nobody was talking about social security reform.

00:35:06.560 Nobody was talking about education reform.

00:35:08.400 It was all about the war.

00:35:09.960 And so I fear, look, Trump has a very good record on foreign policy. If I'm going to trust anyone on it, I'll trust him. But I do fear, with an amazing record on immigration, on pro-life, obviously on the judges, on the economy, he's got an astounding record on all of it.

00:35:24.920 if the iran war really goes south it it could overwhelm everything you know so that i mean

00:35:32.480 obviously the white house wants to get out of this there's no question about it they don't

00:35:36.240 want to be in in iran for 10 years uh but how that is done is is easy is easier said than actually

00:35:43.120 done look i'm i'm very self-aware and i understand what i feel qualified to speak on and what i don't

00:35:50.480 But I will say, in trying to really understand what was happening in Iran, when those first initial strikes, your breakdown and analysis is the only one I watched in full to really help me understand.

00:36:02.620 So I feel like a glimpse of that again.

00:36:05.400 I appreciate it. Thank you.

00:36:06.680 No, I'm so serious, too. Totally agree.

00:36:10.820 Talking about Charlie Kirk, you should an event in Idaho with Turning Point this week looked like a fantastic crowd, fantastic reception.

00:36:18.200 I want to ask you about Erica, kind of more specifically the treatment that she's received.

00:36:24.980 There's been so much online commentary or some kind of grief policing, if you will,

00:36:30.740 about how Erica Kirk has handled her public role and her mourning and her grieving of her late

00:36:37.320 husband now. What's your take on how she's been treated by, I mean, really conservatives or those

00:36:43.600 who hide under the cloak of conservatism and critics alike? 0.97

00:36:47.240 She can do nothing right. If she smiles, that's wrong. She should be frowning. If she frowns, she needs to lighten up and smile more. If she wears white, it's too happy. If she wears black, it's too angry. If she speaks out publicly, she's out of her place. If she doesn't speak out, where is she? She needs to step up into her role. There's nothing that she can do that will satisfy some people. 0.71

00:37:07.520 So I adore Erica Kirk. I think she's wonderful. Obviously, good enough for Charlie, good enough for me. And she's dealing with something that is the stuff of nightmares for virtually anybody. And on top of that, it's very much in the public square.

00:37:22.800 And on top of that, because her husband was the most important political activist of his generation, she, whether she wanted it or not, is thrust into this political role.

00:37:33.660 And so the knives come out, not just from the left to the right, all of the leftists celebrating, many of the leftists celebrating the murder of her husband.

00:37:41.520 But then all the internal infighting and positioning and faction making that you see on the right, also treating her terribly unfairly the whole time.

00:37:51.160 compounded by the issue that we were just talking about which is that the the political media

00:37:57.340 increasingly divorced from real hardcore politics uh thrives on sensationalism detraction gossip 0.97

00:38:03.220 slander you know radicalism all the rest so so all of a sudden this grieving widow becomes

00:38:09.060 good content you know which i find totally uh despicable and i i refuse to engage in it even

00:38:16.220 the other night there was this clip people were picking apart erica who was at the white house

00:38:20.840 correspondence dinner and she uh she was crying when the when the shots rang out i said yeah you

00:38:28.000 think so this woman is suffering from from very severe trauma and it's happened again and you

00:38:32.860 know she's got this fear that her kids could could be orphaned uh and people even picking that apart

00:38:37.400 i didn't i you know i i understand prudential judgments vary but i i wouldn't even play the

00:38:43.020 clip on the show i just found it to be really awful and so the things that we ought to do

00:38:47.320 in my view are, rather than, you know, directly answering whatever, any charge of anybody on

00:38:55.640 Twitter or elsewhere, I think what we ought to do is, one, pray for Erica and the family in TPUSA.

00:39:01.140 Support her. You know, make clear this is a wonderful woman who is showing an immense

00:39:05.160 amount of grace under a lot of fire, literal fire and rhetorical fire. Do what we can to support

00:39:10.900 TPUSA in the mission. I was very honored that Erica invited me and Matt to go out and do that

00:39:16.240 event the other night it was a great event uh off of some of the social media sites there were

00:39:22.300 i don't know 1500 or whatever the the stadium could pack thousand people were turned away at

00:39:28.020 the door they couldn't make it in and these were great people who really wanted to do something

00:39:31.940 positive for the country and it it reaffirmed my long-held belief that there is a difference between

00:39:38.740 twitter and real life i was worried that that difference was collapsing for a while but i think

00:39:43.180 it's real um and and it's you know charlie was so so good at this that he he understood that we

00:39:50.500 have to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves that uh you know prudence is the chief political

00:39:56.340 virtue and uh so you know it's very important not to give bad actors what they want you know when

00:40:05.720 you when you i mean i even saw it when i was at tposa all of these pseudonymous twitter accounts

00:40:10.040 that are frankly probably funded by foreign powers all coming in attacking eric and tpsa

00:40:14.880 see you don't necessarily have to engage with all of that you know state the truth plainly

00:40:20.700 and then most importantly let's support her and let's support tpsa let's do our very best to

00:40:26.980 carry on charlie's legacy knowing nobody can speak for him you know he's he's gone to his

00:40:31.320 eternal reward and we have to carry on but let's let's actually focus on what we're all trying to

00:40:36.340 do, you know, and actually build something together rather than get in the fray with

00:40:40.380 people who are just tearing things down.

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00:42:15.260 I actually agree with that take,

00:42:16.820 and I remember when there's this clip of you that went around online

00:42:20.200 where you're saying, look, those vultures, if you will,

00:42:24.480 I don't know if that's a good word,

00:42:25.420 but the vultures who are seemingly trying to capitalize on Charlie's death

00:42:30.440 Just don't pay them any mind.

00:42:31.760 Don't pay attention.

00:42:32.500 Don't mention them by name.

00:42:33.520 You just keep going.

00:42:34.220 I actually kind of agree with that take.

00:42:36.220 You got a lot of flack for it.

00:42:37.380 I appreciate it.

00:42:37.980 I got flack because, unfortunately, it's a criticism of, like, everybody.

00:42:43.160 Because it's obviously directly a criticism of the people who are attacking Erica Kirk.

00:42:47.520 But it's also a corrective, shall I say, to the people who are then spending every day criticizing the people who are criticizing.

00:42:54.560 And then we get the people who are criticizing the criticism of the criticism.

00:42:57.240 And it gets a lot of views.

00:42:58.840 I mean, my ratings would be much higher even if I engaged in that.

00:43:03.640 I know that for a fact, but I don't think it's the right thing to do.

00:43:07.600 You know, the first question in any political operation is, what does my opponent want me to do?

00:43:12.780 Okay, I'm not going to do that.

00:43:14.620 And I just, I felt that we were in this position where people were, everybody was making content and getting views and clicks and money off of something that's very bad.

00:43:26.860 And, you know, when you breathe oxygen into these sorts of things, especially, I'll give you an example.

00:43:34.260 When you're having a political debate over abortion, someone says he wants abortion, someone says he doesn't want abortion.

00:43:40.140 There is something substantive to debate there.

00:43:42.380 What is a human person?

00:43:43.840 When does human life begin?

00:43:46.220 What are our obligations to each other?

00:43:48.320 And so on.

00:43:48.940 when someone is saying that they don't like a widow and they think she should wear a different

00:43:55.120 eyeliner and they don't like the dress she wore, there's no way to argue with that. You're not

00:43:59.640 actually debating anything. You're just kind of getting into the fray of detraction and of

00:44:04.940 slander and all the rest. There's no good outcome to that. And so I say, if someone is establishing

00:44:11.340 a game, the rules of which are always bad for me and bad for the side that I want to win,

00:44:16.200 i'm going to play a different game and uh i i caught a lot of flack for it but i think

00:44:21.820 i hate to say i told you so i think that my thesis was proven right uh when i said that

00:44:28.000 this constant debate isn't going to help in any way i think that has been definitively proven

00:44:33.060 correct and so i'm glad to see that people now are trying a different approach uh but you know

00:44:37.880 if you uh if you want to support someone and you want to advance a uh especially political campaign

00:44:44.500 but even personal support. You have to have a good end result in mind, and you have to have a

00:44:50.320 reasonable success of getting there. This, frankly, brings us back to the conversation on President

00:44:54.660 Trump and Iran. You know, one of the questions is, what is the end goal, and is there a reasonable

00:44:59.820 probability of getting there? And one of the criteria of a just war is, if there's not a

00:45:03.760 reasonable probability of success, the action's probably not just. That's right. Yeah, well,

00:45:11.300 I think you've been proven right if your priorities have maintained to do what is right and good and true and moral and just.

00:45:20.420 But those aren't the priorities of everyone.

00:45:23.680 I so appreciate you and your time.

00:45:25.740 I guess kind of last thing for you, I've wanted to ask you this.

00:45:29.600 What's your like political hot take that you could just get canceled for from the conservative side of the aisle?

00:45:37.000 my political well i have i have a few of those that were conservatives might want to throw me 0.88

00:45:42.000 overboard uh obergefell needs to be overruled gay marriage is totally fake we need to ban ivf and 0.51

00:45:47.060 surrogacy uh we are these are all kind of my radical views that everyone used to agree with 0.95

00:45:51.380 but now they're kind of hot uh but but the one that won't get me canceled but is a hot take of 0.92

00:45:57.080 mine um the alien stuff the alien stuff is dumb at best and demonic at worst actually i i have some

00:46:06.880 support here because the vice president said something very similar the other day and i 0.96

00:46:09.940 entirely agree with him the alien stuff guys it is like worst best case scenario it's like jangling

00:46:16.940 keys over here to distract us from actual issues worst case scenario you're talking to demons like

00:46:22.220 either way i don't want it i get enough of the alien stuff i'm right there with you it's um

00:46:27.920 yeah i've never been very good at the conspiracy things that you can't really see or feel uh so

00:46:35.420 I'm right there with you.

00:46:36.260 They're canceling us both then.

00:46:38.540 I appreciate you.

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