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00:01:22.460 This is something, of course, that we've talked about at great lengths on this podcast before.

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00:01:36.200 RIT, Rochester Institute of Technology.

00:01:39.680 Really, really crazy stuff.

00:01:41.500 Her story is really remarkable.

00:01:43.980 She has just joined the Gaines v. NCAA lawsuit using her full name, which is no easy feat.

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00:03:45.160 So, as I said, we're talking to a female athlete from Rochester Institute of Technology.

00:03:51.160 Her name is Caroline Hill.

00:03:52.600 She recently graduated.

00:03:54.480 Her story, we'll get into it.

00:03:56.480 She's a record breaker. 1.00

00:03:57.680 She holds, well, she held several records at RIT before her coach, before the NCAA, her

00:04:05.320 athletic director, allowed a man to switch from the men's team to run on the women's team.

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00:04:16.480 Check out this interview with Caroline Hill.

00:04:20.040 Well, Caroline, thank you so much for joining the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:04:25.360 I have lots of people on this podcast, people who are, I mean, world-leading scientists and

00:04:33.560 congressional members and really incredible people across many different realms.

00:04:39.080 But my favorite people to talk to are just your ordinary, everyday person who has been

00:04:45.240 impacted, not by their own choosing, but has so bravely and so courageously chosen to

00:04:52.620 take a stand for what is right, what is righteous, what is fair, what is just.

00:04:57.040 And of course, you are one of those people.

00:04:59.080 So, I'm just so grateful for you to be joining the podcast today.

00:05:02.460 Can you start by just introducing yourself and sharing just a little bit about your journey

00:05:07.720 as an athlete, a female athlete, especially at RIT, what track and field has meant to you?

00:05:16.080 So, first of all, hi.

00:05:18.460 Thank you so much for having me on.

00:05:20.560 I'm so excited to talk about this.

00:05:23.960 But yeah, my name is Caroline.

00:05:26.180 I just graduated from college at RIT.

00:05:29.640 Um, I ran track all four years and was a captain.

00:05:35.180 Um, and I started track when I was 11 years old.

00:05:38.680 So, I've been doing it for a long time.

00:05:41.580 Um, I did it with my sister.

00:05:43.720 That was such a great way, um, to build confidence growing up.

00:05:49.360 And, um, so yeah, I had some success as a young athlete and, um, it continued on through

00:05:57.020 high school and that was sort of when I thought, oh, maybe I could do this in college.

00:06:02.560 Um, I even, I went on to win an individual state title in the 200 meter dash.

00:06:08.960 Um, granted it was in Vermont, so not the most competitive state.

00:06:13.700 A state title is a state title.

00:06:16.200 That's, I mean, that's no joke.

00:06:18.400 That's no joke.

00:06:19.040 Still, yeah, still, you know, a great achievement in the eyes of many.

00:06:23.440 So, uh, that was very exciting.

00:06:25.680 And so, I, um, looked at some schools, looked, looked at Division I a bit, but Division III

00:06:31.140 really felt like the right choice for me personally as an athlete.

00:06:35.000 Um, and so I went on to improve upon my personal bests in college, um, despite the hardships

00:06:42.080 that I endured.

00:06:42.940 So, um, yeah, that's kind of my track and field journey, um, if you will.

00:06:48.300 You mentioned some hardships and you had this awesome op-ed, uh, that just came out in the

00:06:54.120 New York Post recently.

00:06:56.100 Uh, obviously one of those hardships that, that we will get into, uh, that the nation

00:07:01.060 has now really got to watch kind of unfold from afar.

00:07:04.760 You got to witness that and be, uh, I mean, be personally impacted by that when a man was

00:07:09.960 allowed to join the women's team.

00:07:11.900 But there's another hardship you talk about in this op-ed, um, and that's being a hearing

00:07:18.040 impaired athlete.

00:07:19.320 And I read this and I, there was a couple things that came to mind.

00:07:23.340 Number one, obviously the challenges that you faced in both training and competing, especially

00:07:28.940 in a sport like track and field where you're hearing, I mean, that that's monumental, especially

00:07:34.720 like when that gun goes, when the beep goes, like your reaction time is everything.

00:07:39.600 So I want you to talk about that.

00:07:41.300 But the second thing that, that kind of came to my mind when I was reading this was just how

00:07:46.780 awesome it is.

00:07:48.040 To have a space for athletes, uh, with any sort of impairment to be able to compete and

00:07:53.540 to succeed.

00:07:54.480 Uh, and to me, that's what inclusion is, right?

00:07:58.800 Like we, we, we've seen this word, it gets thrown around all the time, whether in the

00:08:02.740 form of DEI, obviously, uh, and what you face later on in your collegiate career, uh, what

00:08:08.280 it means to be inclusive, but they've totally misconstrued this word to really it now means

00:08:14.980 like exclusion, like women were excluded on the basis of their terms of inclusion.

00:08:20.480 But to me, when I, when I read about you having these hearing impairments, that to me is what

00:08:26.120 inclusion in sports looks like.

00:08:27.620 So can you talk about the specific challenges you faced in training and competing as an athlete

00:08:33.480 with hearing impairment?

00:08:34.540 Yeah, sure.

00:08:35.540 Um, so first of all, something I always loved about sports and tracking field specifically

00:08:42.440 for me is that I could just go compete without, um, my hearing being a factor.

00:08:47.840 Of course, there are things such as the starting blocks, um, and then also, um, the training

00:08:54.660 settings, just being with coaches, um, having to hear all the little nuances of instructions

00:09:01.920 that are given during practice, or even just side conversations amongst teammates.

00:09:07.920 Um, missing a lot of that was definitely hard, you know, just, it takes a toll.

00:09:14.240 It can take a toll on your mental health, um, just confidence.

00:09:18.800 And, you know, I still, it, um, had a lot of positive experiences with teammates, but, um,

00:09:26.960 it's very exhausting.

00:09:28.740 Um, I think a lot of people might not know what that's like, but having to, um, work extra

00:09:35.900 hard to be in the know is something that, that a lot of people I think take for granted.

00:09:40.540 But, um, yeah, so in a meet, you know, I would have to, you know, um, if, in case you're not

00:09:49.960 familiar with how a track meet is organized, um, a lot of times the event is called and

00:09:57.200 you have to, you know, be listening for that.

00:10:00.600 You have to be listening for your, your lane assignment.

00:10:03.120 A lot of the times the officials can be very abrasive and, um, unforgiving, you know, oh,

00:10:10.040 I, I'm sorry, I missed that.

00:10:11.800 Can you repeat it?

00:10:12.600 And that isn't always taken very well.

00:10:15.520 Um, and so it can cause some extra anxiety at a competition where being focused is so

00:10:22.060 important.

00:10:22.920 Um, and then the starting blocks, I had a few meets where I would be in the starting blocks.

00:10:29.460 Um, I'm a sprinter, so that's how I would start my races and the official would say, you

00:10:37.020 know, runners on your mark, get set and then shoot the gun.

00:10:42.360 And there are a few times where I would miss the get set command because my head is down.

00:10:49.520 I'm not able to look at the official.

00:10:52.280 Um, and they, the, the times where I missed the command, they wouldn't be wearing a microphone.

00:10:59.260 So I would see the people out of the corner of my eye, I would see the other girls getting 1.00

00:11:05.140 set.

00:11:05.880 And, um, I had to put my head up and stand up and be like, guys, like, I wouldn't say anything,

00:11:11.900 but I'd be like, it's so awkward standing up.

00:11:16.020 Um, and, you know, it's like, fine, you're allowed to do that, but it still shakes you,

00:11:23.860 you know, um, you have to be so focused.

00:11:26.560 I'm sure you understand as a high level athlete, um, any little thing can really mess you up.

00:11:33.100 So, um, there are some big meets where that happened and it was, uh, debilitating.

00:11:38.560 So yeah, there's little things people don't consider.

00:11:41.640 Yeah, a hundred percent listening to you talk about that, especially I think missing out

00:11:47.360 on something as simple as conversations with teammates, whether it's, it's on the track,

00:11:52.040 whether it's in the locker room, like those are oftentimes the places where you form the

00:11:56.780 best bonds.

00:11:58.460 You're able to, to chat with each other after practice about how, how hard the set was

00:12:03.020 or how awful your coach was or whatever it is, but you bond in those moments.

00:12:07.140 And so, uh, listening to you say that is something that I realized I certainly took for granted

00:12:12.120 and in knowing that really how similar the sport of swimming and track and field are,

00:12:17.820 I can't imagine being on a block where you're right.

00:12:21.340 Your head is down.

00:12:22.040 Like you're, you're so tense.

00:12:23.640 You have to be like almost locked and loaded, uh, when they say, take your mark or get set.

00:12:28.580 And then that beep goes like, especially being a sprinter every single hundredth of a second,

00:12:33.940 uh, it, it matters.

00:12:36.480 Uh, so I, I can't even imagine that, um, as again, that initial hardship you had to overcome

00:12:43.500 to ultimately receive the offers that you did, uh, and then in choosing RIT for college,

00:12:48.740 can you now walk us through a little bit about what it was like when you first found out that

00:12:56.620 a man was going to be joining the women's team?

00:12:59.660 Was this a, a man who had previously competed on the men's team?

00:13:04.540 Was this a man who, uh, I mean, started right off the bat on the women's team?

00:13:09.760 What, what did this process look like for you all, you all, especially as women?

00:13:14.260 Uh, it was a little confusing.

00:13:15.940 There wasn't a lot of communication from coaches.

00:13:19.220 So typical, right?

00:13:21.720 The, the way it works for us was we, we'd have a really long preseason leading up to the

00:13:28.500 indoor track season.

00:13:29.980 And, um, my sophomore year, the male athlete started coming to preseason practices and it

00:13:41.360 was disclosed that he was transitioning and hoping to compete on the women's team.

00:13:48.320 Um, but there were some logistics that didn't allow for that.

00:13:53.460 So I, I didn't really know what was going on there.

00:13:56.880 I kind of just was like, oh, this is, this isn't going to be anything, you know, like I

00:14:01.480 just dismissed it.

00:14:03.640 And then the next year, um, he came back and I still wasn't sure whether, you know, I, I

00:14:11.700 didn't really realize how real everything was until the first meet of the indoor season

00:14:16.400 when my record got destroyed, um, immediately.

00:14:22.060 And what event was this in the 200?

00:14:24.860 It was the 300, 300 was the first race.

00:14:28.200 Um, it's funny, my coach, I was supposed to run it that day too, but my coach actually

00:14:33.360 forgot to enter me, um, which is ridiculous.

00:14:37.120 But so I just had to watch, um, as my record just got destroyed and all these other female 1.00

00:14:46.020 athletes also, also got destroyed in, in the race that day.

00:14:49.960 And so I remember reacting a lot more strongly than I expected.

00:14:57.020 Um, I had definitely been holding in a lot of emotion about it and, um, and then also

00:15:04.180 seeing the reactions of some of my teammates, you know, being very supportive of the male

00:15:10.420 athlete and then others coming to me and talking about it, maybe seeing that I, I was trying

00:15:17.900 not to show it, but I was upset.

00:15:19.840 And, um, so there was a, uh, immediately from that point forward, there was such a divide

00:15:25.960 amongst the team.

00:15:27.780 And that was heartbreaking because we spent so much time together.

00:15:31.700 Um, you know, it's, we're all, we all have this common goal of achieving success in track

00:15:38.380 and field as a team.

00:15:40.440 And so it's, it was devastating having our team be split apart like that.

00:15:46.220 Um, and so yeah, that, that first race was definitely the moment it became really real.

00:15:52.920 And I knew, um, the NCAA, the administration, the coaches are, don't, they don't actually

00:16:00.080 care about this.

00:16:01.300 Um, women are respected. 1.00

00:16:03.960 And so it sent the message really loud and clear that day.

00:16:08.920 Yeah.

00:16:09.720 It's interesting to, to hear.

00:16:12.080 I mean, again, I think anyone can understand how fairness is impacted when you allow a man 1.00

00:16:19.960 onto a team.

00:16:20.840 I mean, kindergartners really seem to understand this, the difference between men and women

00:16:24.760 physically.

00:16:25.940 Literally, yes.

00:16:26.820 What's really, really hard for someone to understand unless you've played a sport, especially at

00:16:31.900 the level of which you and I have is that team dynamic and culture and how important that

00:16:38.480 is to success and how that is thrown off entirely when you add an element like this, like the

00:16:45.660 whole team dynamic is messed up.

00:16:47.980 And then again, that's, that's kind of like another layer of pressure that you have to deal

00:16:52.900 with outside of the competitive side of things is how to navigate these conversations with people

00:16:59.240 you love, people who you want the best for, you want them to succeed.

00:17:03.380 You imagine they want you to succeed both personally and as a team, but to have that infringed

00:17:09.720 upon because of a decision like this, that would have allowed Shriner to, to compete on the

00:17:15.840 women's team.

00:17:16.540 It's a whole nother element.

00:17:18.140 Uh, and it's something that I can certainly relate to as well.

00:17:21.740 Um, but I will say where I would imagine you had many people on your team, especially going

00:17:30.060 to RIT is a relatively liberal college, right?

00:17:32.760 It's pretty liberal.

00:17:33.620 Yeah.

00:17:34.140 Private school, you know?

00:17:36.020 Yeah.

00:17:36.960 Yeah.

00:17:37.860 Yeah.

00:17:38.080 So I would imagine that, um, you would have had several teammates who were at least outwardly

00:17:44.880 supportive of Shriner.

00:17:45.960 But I bet you internally, uh, they knew this to be wrong just as you and I did.

00:17:52.220 But, uh, I would imagine there were many who were fearful of, of saying this out loud.

00:17:58.120 Absolutely.

00:17:59.040 Yes.

00:17:59.400 In your op-ed, you talk about feeling erased by the NCAA's decision, um, to allow this man

00:18:07.140 to compete on your women's team.

00:18:09.400 Um, and then to have your records broken.

00:18:12.120 How, how long did this go for?

00:18:13.620 So, and were you, you were a junior at this point, is that correct?

00:18:18.300 Yes.

00:18:19.020 So this was your junior season.

00:18:20.420 It happened all the way throughout going into, of course, your senior season.

00:18:25.140 Uh, but then at the, the end of your senior season, uh, in February, I guess of earlier

00:18:30.880 this year, uh, the Trump administration, um, Donald Trump signed an EO and executive order,

00:18:37.960 basically barring men from participating within any, uh, uh, women's sport, uh, that receives

00:18:44.820 any sort of federal funding, uh, ultimately that would prevent Shriner from competing on

00:18:49.820 the women's team.

00:18:50.520 The NCAA, uh, decided to, they released this policy saying that they would fall in compliance

00:18:57.180 with Donald Trump's executive order.

00:18:59.360 Uh, what did you see on your team?

00:19:02.280 Because again, Shriner at this point was still competing.

00:19:05.860 He was still attending practices.

00:19:07.580 Um, still, again, what was written in the op-ed was still using the women's locker room. 0.76

00:19:12.640 What was that like for you all, especially when you saw publicly the NCAA saying that they

00:19:19.160 were going to follow federal law?

00:19:21.020 Yeah, um, so everything was just hearsay amongst our team.

00:19:28.040 There was not any kind of official message given to us by the coaches or the administration

00:19:34.200 and knowing RIT's stance in all of this, and that it's a private university, um, I, and knowing

00:19:43.860 how things had gone for so long, I was sort of reluctant that anything would even, that I,

00:19:50.440 I thought, oh, RIT's gonna find some way around this, you know, um, it's, having had, um, this

00:19:59.240 issue go on for so long, I, like, I kind of lost hope that things would improve a little

00:20:08.180 bit, you know, because I didn't want to build up, oh, maybe, like, maybe he won't be on the

00:20:14.080 team, and maybe things will go back to the way they were, but I didn't want to be let

00:20:17.740 down again, so I kind of just, like, like, you know, maybe it will work out, maybe it won't,

00:20:23.820 um, and then, so he was making appearances at practice, um, utilizing our coaches, our facilities,

00:20:34.100 um, and I think kind of sending a message, like, hey, I'm still here, um, and...

00:20:43.740 There's nothing you can do about it, you know?

00:20:45.500 Exactly, and the drama still went on, the negativity, all the things that had been going on ever since

00:20:54.040 it started, um, and so it was definitely not as, when the rule change happened, obviously

00:21:03.140 it was a great step in the right direction, but there, there's a lot more to it, um, especially

00:21:09.980 at RIT where everything was kind of sheltered, and, um, I don't know if controlled is the

00:21:16.400 right word, but the environment was very just different than some people might imagine, I

00:21:25.540 would say.

00:21:27.020 Yeah, it definitely sounds different than an SEC college, that's for sure, um, but, but that

00:21:34.080 tends to be the trend, uh, especially where you have universities, um, that have coaches

00:21:41.300 or athletic directors in place that, uh, support the idea of putting, or the practice of putting

00:21:47.840 men on women's teams, um, there's not a lot of transparency, there's not a lot of communication,

00:21:53.140 there's certainly no accountability or responsibility, it's like things are done behind closed doors

00:21:58.060 or in secrecy, and you as a woman are expected to just go along with it, or they tell you to

00:22:02.760 just be kind, be inclusive, his happiness is, is more important than you winning, right?

00:22:08.720 This is what, uh, we hear oftentimes.

00:22:10.800 And in talking about, uh, maybe some of those, those key bad actors and, and what you face

00:22:16.700 specifically, uh, I know that you had mentioned in one of the pieces that has come out since

00:22:22.360 you so bravely decided to put your name and your face of this, um, that your athletic director

00:22:27.100 said that Schreiner had less testosterone, uh, than some of you women, uh, I can't imagine 0.99

00:22:35.420 this explanation sit very well with you because ultimately what this idea is doing is reducing

00:22:40.980 women down to a testosterone level, uh, which is again, utter madness and, and entirely regressive 1.00

00:22:47.640 and deeply misogynistic, really. 0.98

00:22:49.500 Mm-hmm.

00:22:50.760 Absolutely.

00:22:51.860 It was so, I was baffled by how limiting that statement was.

00:22:58.900 And, you know, also the delivery was so just matter of fact, and there was not really room

00:23:08.540 to counter, it wasn't a discussion, it was just a delivery, um, in that environment, especially

00:23:17.080 when you have a, a person in a position of power standing in front of the room, um, in front of

00:23:24.480 all these women just delivering this message. 1.00

00:23:28.000 And, um, yeah, it seems, it, it's baffling that all the other science behind what it means

00:23:38.920 to be a woman, what it means to be a man was not addressed in the slightest.

00:23:43.120 Um, it was almost like information was being withheld from the women.

00:23:48.660 Um, and so it was very insulting and, um, diminishing to hear that.

00:23:56.940 Yeah.

00:23:58.160 Um, and again, the locker room aspect, uh, just the feelings of, of being entirely mortified and

00:24:07.800 humiliated, um, the discomfort, the injustice of being in a locker room setting, uh, whether

00:24:15.060 clothed or not for that matter, this is like a vulnerable, it's a vulnerable environment.

00:24:20.900 Like it's, it's a place of intimacy.

00:24:23.400 And again, where I can think some of those conversations, even that you have in the locker

00:24:28.240 room after practice, before a competition, after a race, whatever it is, it's some of the

00:24:33.120 most, like I can picture myself.

00:24:36.360 That's where I would go.

00:24:37.260 If I had a terrible race, I was super upset.

00:24:39.380 That's where I would go to cry, be upset.

00:24:41.460 That's where I would go to laugh with my friends.

00:24:43.380 Like it's such an intimate space, but to have that infringed upon by a man is just a feeling

00:24:48.760 that again is, is pretty hard to put into words.

00:24:52.080 What, um, what finally led you to going from being anonymous on the lawsuit?

00:24:59.060 Again, the Gaines versus NCAA lawsuit, which has been in motion for, uh, over a year, just

00:25:05.040 about a year and a half at this point to now putting your name to it.

00:25:09.580 How has this shift, I guess, really impacted you personally, professionally and emotionally?

00:25:17.340 Yeah.

00:25:18.100 So while I was at school still competing, I did join the lawsuit anonymously.

00:25:24.100 Um, and it was definitely out of fear, you know, as much as I hate to say it, um, I wanted

00:25:32.100 to speak out and give a voice to women who were in a similar situation as me, but the environment

00:25:41.140 that I was in was in my opinion, not a safe one to do that in, um, spending every single

00:25:50.020 day with my teammates, with my coaches, um, on campus, you know, I, and it was my last

00:25:59.500 year of school.

00:26:00.640 Um, you know, I, I wanted to graduate, do well in my classes, do well in my track and field

00:26:08.580 career.

00:26:08.980 Um, and so it was a really tough decision whether or not to be anonymous, um, at first, but after

00:26:19.580 having graduated, it's, it's like, okay, I, I'm safe.

00:26:24.840 I've left the school, I've left campus.

00:26:28.800 Um, I can speak out now.

00:26:31.400 Um, but it, it is kind of ridiculous that I would even have to consider, um, silent being

00:26:38.620 silenced, um, because of the environment that I was in.

00:26:43.080 That just goes to show how, um,

00:26:47.420 Intolerant.

00:26:49.740 Right.

00:26:50.320 Exactly.

00:26:51.220 Exactly.

00:26:51.420 The other side that claims to be tolerant and accepting and welcoming and embracing to,

00:26:57.220 to diverse, uh, viewpoints and thoughts, it's, it's really the exact opposite.

00:27:03.820 Um, so that is something certainly that, uh, it's not even just athletes.

00:27:09.560 Like I think over the past few years, whether it's, it's COVID, whether it's people in professional,

00:27:14.860 like their career settings, whatever it is, self-censorship is so real.

00:27:20.640 Uh, and you feel like you have to suppress what you say or how you think.

00:27:24.920 And, and especially on any of the topics that are related to DEI, uh, so you don't offend.

00:27:31.560 So you're not disrespectful or all the things that we've been conditioned.

00:27:35.140 I mean, myself included, like I was certainly in that same boat as you.

00:27:38.420 And like you said, I'm ashamed to say it.

00:27:40.300 I'm ashamed to say that, um, it took me finding that internal courage, uh, to, to be able to

00:27:48.780 say out loud that men and women are different, but it really does. 1.00

00:27:52.540 Uh, especially again, where, where you were, where you are now, like even in the year 2025,

00:27:58.920 uh, it is so incredibly brave to say what you are now saying to say, to put your name to

00:28:07.520 something so, uh, monumental to the future.

00:28:12.120 Uh, what, I mean, girls like my daughter who will be born in just a few weeks, um, what they, 0.99

00:28:19.220 the world that they will grow up in, uh, what are you hoping this legal action will achieve for us?

00:28:25.880 And again, I think more importantly for the next generation of women. 1.00

00:28:30.480 Um, I would say the biggest, so there's obviously, um, hoping to sort of, um, not that it can be

00:28:40.120 undone, but to instill some of the records that have been taken away, um, or placements at various

00:28:49.380 competitions that have been taken away from, from so many women as a result of allowing male males to 1.00

00:28:56.420 compete. Um, but ultimately, in my opinion, it's about respect.

00:29:01.740 I mean, of calling themselves champions, right? It's, it's something that is only happening one

00:29:09.380 way at this point. Uh, this issue of, of allowing, uh, people to, to self-identify themselves into

00:29:18.100 whichever category they want to, to participate in. Uh, it's only adversely and negatively impacting

00:29:25.460 women. Uh, so totally in, in regard to not being respected, not having a voice, not having a seat 1.00

00:29:32.720 at the table, even listening to you describe how there were no conversations, there were no

00:29:38.880 discussions, there were no chances for dialogue or discourse, or to be able to ask the questions that,

00:29:44.540 uh, you all as women certainly had, even your parents, I would imagine probably had, uh, there was

00:29:51.000 no allowance for that. It was, here's what's happening and you're going to take it or else.

00:29:56.200 Uh, so to be able to push back on that, to have your records reinstated, uh, I mean, it's a big,

00:30:03.760 big deal to be a program record holder, uh, and to have that taken from you really stolen from you.

00:30:11.000 Uh, I believe apologies are in order from every institution, every university, uh, every academic

00:30:18.020 setting that has allowed for this to happen. Uh, and we've seen some, some major progress,

00:30:23.680 uh, again, on certainly coming from the Trump administration, how they are pushing back,

00:30:28.140 how they're ultimately withholding federal funds from universities or, or colleges, whatever it is

00:30:34.360 that don't adhere to this executive order to, to federal law, that federal law being title nine.

00:30:39.400 Uh, so hopefully, uh, this is something that we can put on their radar to, to watch what's happening

00:30:46.200 at RIT because, uh, as I understand it now, as I've seen in the headlines, uh, this, this man is

00:30:54.040 still benefiting from women's facilities, uh, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So, um, we appreciate

00:31:03.240 you, Caroline and shedding a light on what is happening. Uh, because again, I, I would imagine

00:31:09.040 there are many, many people who want to, but many who are fearful, uh, maybe some who are supportive,

00:31:14.380 maybe some who, who don't understand, uh, the implications, just how regressive this really

00:31:20.760 is. Uh, but to be able to lend your voice, um, is really impactful. So very grateful for you. I'm

00:31:28.380 excited that you've joined this lawsuit, uh, now with, with your name. Uh, and I imagine we will be

00:31:34.880 victorious in this endeavor. I really do. Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much. Um, it's been great

00:31:42.220 sharing a little bit more about everything about my experience. Well, thank you, Caroline. Uh,

00:31:48.060 really appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you guys for tuning into the gains for girls

00:31:54.480 podcast. If you want to support the lawsuit, uh, the gains versus NCAA lawsuit that Caroline has now

00:32:01.200 joined, there's about 20 of us, uh, 20 female athletes from various different sports all across

00:32:06.800 the nation on this lawsuit. Uh, I want you to go to icons, women.com, um, icons. We had Marshy Smith 1.00

00:32:14.920 on not too long ago. She's one of the co-founders of icons. We've had Kim Jones on before, uh, another

00:32:19.780 co-founder of icons. Uh, they've really been able to support and rally us together, uh, as women,

00:32:27.640 as female athletes to make sure this lawsuit is successful, which I have no doubt in my mind 1.00

00:32:32.600 that it will be. Uh, so again, icons, women.com, uh, again, go to cozy earth, uh, check out their 1.00

00:32:39.940 new cuddle blanket. It's the best cozy earth.com. You can use my code gains G A I N E S for 40% off.

00:32:46.360 And we will see you guys again next week.

Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - August 20, 2025

NCAA SCANDAL： Female Runner's Records Stolen by Trans Athlete ｜ Gaines For Girls w⧸ Riley Gaines

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