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00:00:27.920there could have been a video of carmelo saying that he was going to go up and kill one of the
00:00:35.900players and they would still say that he was the victim a 17 year old boy named austin metcalf he
00:00:42.840went to a high school track meet in frisco texas guess what he never came home from that track
00:00:49.240meet because he was stabbed in the chest and killed during an altercation i guess under a team
00:00:54.640tent. I think it was raining. We're going to get to some of those details today, but what followed
00:00:59.000that altercation, that murder, that senseless murder, it wasn't just a trial. It became this
00:01:06.120cultural flashpoint. If your first instinct in a case like this is to view it through the lens
00:01:12.900of race, then you are the racist, not Austin Metcalf, not his family, you. We are done with
00:01:22.540the race war BS. So you can go ahead and let Jasmine Crockett know that. You can go ahead1.00
00:01:28.300and let Cardi B know that. You can let the Southern Poverty Law Center know. We are done.
00:01:33.360My guest today, he has been on the ground for this story and plenty of others just like it.
00:01:38.440Nick Sorter, he's an independent journalist. He is an on-scene reporter. We're going to talk about
00:01:43.280what actually happened at that track meet, how the story has been totally hijacked online,
00:01:47.320why victims disappear when politics takes over, what this says about safety at school events,
00:01:52.660and what it reveals about a culture that would rather fund GoFundMes for a convicted killer
00:01:58.020than mourn the boy who was murdered. Well, Nick, thank you for joining. I'll tell you,
00:02:07.740I feel like I'm missing something with the online discourse, with the trial that has gone on,
00:02:14.700because I'm watching people trip over themselves in real time to try and make the murderer the
00:02:21.360victim, presumably because of the color of his skin. You've been there really through it all
00:02:26.780on the ground. For the people who have maybe just seen the headlines or maybe some of the
00:02:31.240viral social media clips, can you walk us through what actually happened at that Frisco track meet?
00:02:38.000What are some of the key facts that have gotten lost in all the online discussions?
00:02:41.940Well, I mean, we heard witnesses under oath saying that that Austin Metcalf, as well as his brother Hunter and other teammates that were under that tent in Frisco, Texas, had asked Carmelo to leave over 15 times.
00:03:02.040Right. That was under oath said by a witness. It was corroborated by other witnesses and actually a defense's witness said that that Carmelo was actually the instigator in the situation that totally backfired on them.
00:03:19.840They scored no points in this trial at all. But with these people that were out here on the ground in the parking lot of the courthouse, none of that matters.
00:03:28.320the facts do not matter they genuinely don't care there could have been a video of of carmelo saying
00:03:36.020that he was going to go up and kill one of the players and they would still say that he was the
00:03:40.600victim they would say oh he was just coaxed into it somehow like this was all a setup and actually
00:03:46.220they have been saying that it's a setup and so you can't reason with these people and so i don't
00:03:51.500even try that's why you don't hear me talking in any of the videos that i do uh it's just there's
00:04:54.200And I often ask myself this question because I feel like, again, when you're so wrapped up in the online, I have to kind of remove myself.0.69
00:05:00.540And I'm like, are these people ignorant at best?1.00
00:05:04.220That's like best case scenario is that they're just simply stupid.1.00
00:10:26.840I mean, I think at one point she admitted that she was a DEI prosecutor as well.
00:10:30.920So, I mean, which she just proved it right there.
00:10:36.220You know, Jasmine Crockett, like, I kind of forgot that she existed for the past, like, two months now after she got blown out in her primary down here.
00:10:44.900She's going to do anything she can to be relevant.0.97
00:10:47.880But that was one of the stupidest arguments that I've heard so far, being that she was basically excusing the murder of Austin Metcalf because a black boy didn't want to stand in the rain.0.99
00:10:59.740i mean what the hell kind of argument is that it's like if i don't let you in my stand on my0.99
00:11:06.680front porch when it's raining you have the right to kill me for example like what what
00:11:12.520yeah i i don't it's between her and cardi b some of cardi b's comments online she's like well what0.99
00:11:20.240am i gonna tell my sons now i don't know how about don't murder innocent white people an
00:11:27.840innocent person in general like like what do you mean what are you going to tell your sons i'm0.97
00:11:31.700again that's where i feel like i'm missing something i'm like am i actually the crazy one
00:11:36.360like is it is it me for not understanding at all how you could possibly be so aloof to why there
00:11:43.660are consequences consequences for horrible actions such as murdering a human being now obviously he
00:11:51.160the jury convicted him of 35 years in prison uh what do you make of this sentence like were
00:11:58.300you surprised by this do you think this is like really justice it's honestly it's better than what
00:12:04.920i expected okay this could have gone as soon as they put manslaughter on the table uh and the the
00:12:10.960defense went out of their way to make him look like a little boy they put him in an oversized
00:12:16.280suit so that he looked smaller uh they shaved his hair so that he like didn't have the dreads
00:12:23.320anymore so he just had a little baby face looking thing um and they still even with the mom crying
00:12:29.700on the stand and everything still uh she's a piece of work too but uh so i know where he gets
00:12:35.320it from they still you know came back with murder and 35 years it could have gone up to 99 years but
00:12:43.500they also could have gone down to as little as two years that was the last ditch effort that
00:12:48.600the defense was trying to do uh saying that it was a crime of passion uh and so therefore even
00:12:55.880though he's been convicted of murder you can still only give him two years and that's what you should
00:12:59.780do um yeah so i mean 35 years it's it's it's better than what i expected to be honest yeah
00:13:07.94035 years i don't know when he's eligible for parole how young he could be you know best case
00:13:13.080scenario for him of when he could you know be able to to be released i believe it's 17 years but
00:13:20.280if the family is not gonna you know the the texas parole board is pretty uh pretty strict so
00:13:26.540and now they're they're appealing this sentence right is that correct yes uh and i the we don't
00:13:34.420exactly know what they're appealing yet and i don't know uh i don't know if they know what
00:13:39.740they're appealing quite yet uh so they put in a notice of appeal but didn't say what they're
00:13:45.380appealing they're just appealing uh but they at this point they uh they really don't have any
00:13:50.780money left spent it on houses cars um i think the mom got a nose job i mean just look at the photos
00:13:57.800is how verifiable is it that that she got a nose job because we saw two pictures next to each other
00:14:05.260like did her nose morph or did she get a nose job yeah it's like michael jackson level of of changes
00:14:11.520in the nose um but the gofundme efforts again we saw hundreds of thousands of dollars pour in for
00:14:19.740this family presumably to use for like defense fund right at least that's what you would imagine
00:14:24.640they would use it for but no instead again at least what's circulating online i don't know how
00:14:29.300verifiable it is but it seems as if they bought a new home you know like material items as opposed
00:14:35.660to using it for the defense fund is that true yeah i mean it's they did use some of it for the
00:14:41.120defense fund like these uh the attorneys are expensive and especially if you're gonna try
00:14:48.100to pay an attorney that knows that they're probably going to you know embarrass themselves
00:14:52.760with the case on a national stage uh so they did though uh not get him a legal team he had one
00:15:02.000uh a sole practitioner as his attorney and they tried even though they had six hundred thousand
00:15:08.160dollars raised they still tried to um have him use a public defender and now apparently they're
00:15:17.360trying to get another public defender to take this appeal um and i don't know i would say they're
00:15:23.680probably going to end up using the appeal to fundraise again uh and where if that money goes
00:15:29.600into you know uh a lawyer i don't know i don't know i don't know what kind of lawyer all the
00:15:37.360lawyers that i've spoken with down here so that they wouldn't bother taking the case it doesn't
00:15:39.960matter how much you pay them like it's just it's a waste of time and they're going to lose there's
00:15:43.600nothing to appeal yeah uh you mentioned the the mom kind of being a piece of work i saw a video
00:15:50.080of carmelo anthony's grandmother i believe uh who was i mean repeatedly yelling things like
00:15:57.060racist and biased and prejudiced alluding to the jury and the sentencing i think we have a clip
00:16:04.440yeah uh it's it's a freaking uh mess out there the whole time right
00:16:33.180And that's why the audio is so bad, because it's just a bunch of feral people screaming.
00:16:38.960And obviously, you've got grandmas, you know, riling up the crowd saying, you know, racist, prejudice, bias.0.73
00:16:46.220And then at one point, the second time when I went up to the window, you can hear her say they just sent a message that a white boy can hit a black boy and have no consequences for it.
00:19:54.500the amount of money that flows in at that point,
00:19:57.720Think about Black Lives Matter, for example. But how many hundreds of millions of dollars was thrown into that organization that was just, you know, everybody within the organization ended up getting rich. They didn't do anything for black people. It was all about the money. And in this case, that's if there were riots, it would have been very profitable for these people.
00:20:17.380Yeah, you know, I've always wanted to ask that question to those who are really bought into the BLM movement and such as, as a black person, how did your life improve from the BLM movement? Genuinely, like not a sarcastic hypothetical question, like how did your life improve from a few people, maybe a handful of people profiting millions and millions of dollars off of the backs of George Floyd?
00:20:44.780And to your point, you know, creating this kind of George Floyd esque moment, whether you agree with with, you know, the George Floyd situation that I think there were more undisputed facts in that case or excuse me, disputed facts in that case.
00:21:01.540And the Carmelo Anthony, it is undisputed that he's a murderer.
00:21:05.340He murdered as opposed to George Floyd ultimately dying, again, whatever you believe the means of his death to be.
00:21:13.300Carmelo Anthony case is totally different than that right there.
00:21:18.400You've spent years covering all sorts of different protests and politically charged events.
00:21:25.740What has been some of the scariest encounters that you've had?
00:21:29.460Because I have some pretty vivid memories of clips of you in Minnesota and other places where, I mean, you had to imagine that, you know, your life was in danger.
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00:22:08.700Yeah, especially in places like Minnesota, because the police won't respond to me, right?
00:22:14.020They're not going to, back when I was being chased down the street in Minnesota,
00:22:20.460they were adamant on knowing my name before they would respond.
00:22:25.860And as soon as I gave them my name, they would already have it based on me calling from my own phone.
00:22:31.820They're just cross-checking to make sure that it is actually me.
00:28:18.500I think Thomas Massey had, oh, his opponent put one out of him, like, going into a hotel room with Ilhan Omar and AOC with a Do Not Disturb sign on it, making it look like it was CCTV footage.
00:28:35.620That's just, you don't even have to like Thomas Massey to be like, all right, that's a little crappy.
00:28:40.680And it's just going to get more and more and more common, because when people see that ad, and there was a certain generation of folks that tend, as we just talked about, that tend to fall for AI stuff more than others.
00:28:56.740They make up a large portion of the voter base, Riley.
00:28:59.400So it's genuinely concerning that the ad itself will go viral,
00:29:07.560and then there'll be an asterisk somewhere in the beginning of the ad
00:29:14.140talking about how part of it is AI-generated.
00:29:16.900It'll be right here, way down to the bottom of the screen,
00:29:18.600and it'll flash, and then you won't see it anymore.
00:29:21.960And there's not enough momentum to counter it.0.81
00:29:37.160And when you're talking about people who think like infant babies can run out of the hospital immediately upon being born, like my grandma, then it's not an honest response.
00:29:50.680You know, I don't really like hypotheticals.
00:29:53.120I don't like assuming, although I do think we have enough information or background or examples now to to probably pretty accurately depict an outcome or predict what what the case would be.
00:30:05.980But let's say this Carmelo Anthony case was kind of roles reversed or races reversed.
00:30:12.580And let's say the murderer in this scenario was white and Austin Metcalf was black.
00:30:20.400How different do you think the response would be from the public?
00:30:27.320Well, they would have already been, they would have started rioting the day after it happened.
00:30:32.480That would have been pretty, I mean, obviously it's a hypothetical, but I do believe that to be the case.
00:30:42.800It would have been much more, I guess this was widely covered, and it was outrage amongst people like myself.
00:30:53.100And obviously, you know, like regular Americans would be mad about murdering an innocent kid just because you wanted to stand under his tent or whatever.0.61
00:31:03.100It's just a ridiculous story, but if they're able to grab something race-wise, they're absolutely going to do it.0.95
00:31:13.540It's proven time and time and time again.0.80
00:31:15.940Why would you defend that you made the George Floyd, the reincarnation of Christ?
00:31:26.360like out of that like this this fentanyl head uh woman beater allegedly uh 37 time arrested
00:31:36.120right it's so like yeah they would have tried to use that if the races were swapped they would
00:31:42.760definitely use that as an excuse to uh to ride in the streets they wouldn't have waited until
00:31:47.280the trial they would have done it like i said the day after okay taking a little pause to tell
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00:32:43.760big projects are you working on at the moment well part of what i do is i rapidly deploy to
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00:32:57.740just because you just don't know uh and so it just see what pops off next i mean it might have
00:33:04.680to go up there to new york city because y'all can't behave and yeah i don't know if you saw that
00:33:10.300i thought you're supposed to riot when your team loses well i mean still not riot when your team
00:33:16.540loses but like why are you rioting when your team wins what is going on guys what is why are you
00:33:22.500destroying taxi cabs in the middle of the road you know holding up a palestine flag destroying
00:33:28.980a taxi cab of a taxi whose driver is probably from that region of the world right i mean it's0.77
00:33:36.220just it makes no sense so i think that i might have to go there for the next game it is so it
00:33:42.920is so crazy how you kind of see the same crowd or at least from my experience you know dealing with
00:33:48.840mostly the trans issue it's those same people who who you know valiantly defend the trans flag well
00:33:56.160the next day they're holding up the palestine flag or the ukraine flag or the venezuela flag
00:34:31.280If you could do that to that flag in that nation, I have a feeling they would be a whole lot more appreciative for America and the freedoms that we have.