Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - Protecting Children, Women's Spaces, and Innocence

00:00:00.000 hey everybody welcome back to the gains for girls podcast uh thank you for tuning in make sure you

00:00:11.520 check us out anywhere where you get your podcast uh be sure to check us out at outkick.com um

00:00:17.120 today's guest i am so excited uh it is mary margaret olehan she is a senior reporter for

00:00:23.620 the daily signal she is the author of the new book d trans uh the true stories of escaping the

00:00:30.520 gender ideology cult uh she worked for both the daily caller and the daily wire she was actually

00:00:36.160 at the daily wire uh when i first got into contact with her and she is so special to me for a lot of

00:00:41.860 reasons uh but she is actually the reporter who broke my story and the story of of what we were

00:00:48.920 dealing with at the national championships really our whole um my whole senior season in competing

00:00:54.920 with leah thomas and so i just love her i value her her voice is amazing she has been at the

00:01:00.860 forefront of of so many of these cultural issues that are affecting women affecting children affecting

00:01:07.000 parents affecting everyday americans and so i could not be more excited for this conversation

00:01:11.220 with mary margaret olehan mary margaret thank you so much for joining the gains for girls podcast

00:01:17.480 uh you are someone who has not just really been at the forefront of this issue but you have been

00:01:22.520 uh foundational for me and for my journey these past two years uh given the fact that you were

00:01:29.240 the reporter who i initially initially felt confident and comfortable enough to to talk to about

00:01:36.900 everything that was going on uh with the whole leah thomas scenario at that division one national

00:01:43.360 championships for women's swimming uh so i could not be more grateful for you um even more excited

00:01:49.540 because you have your new book that's out uh your book it is called d trans true stories of escaping the

00:01:56.060 gender ideology cult uh there really is i'm almost done with it uh but in reading it i have not found

00:02:03.500 a better book to inform to i mean to save lives quite honestly and to expose the wrong and the harm and

00:02:13.480 the severity um the harm that's being had and so again amazing but before we get into the book

00:02:19.940 um i wanted you to just be able to give a little background on on yourself on who you are uh tell us a

00:02:27.420 little bit about your career and the changes that you've seen in your profession and in the media

00:02:32.220 yeah well it's so great to be here first of all and honored to be on the rally game show i remember

00:02:38.500 being at the ncaa's and being up in the bleachers uh and seeing all of this happen from above was

00:02:45.200 crazy i i found some pictures i took the other day of like you know just in the stands watching

00:02:50.960 from above and i remember dming you and how excited i was when you got back to me and then

00:02:56.420 our conversation so it's been so amazing to see you be so fearless and and so brave

00:03:01.940 over the last couple of years uh and fun to go back and read that story every now and again like

00:03:07.400 man that was that was crazy but um yeah i'm a reporter i've been covering culture issues since

00:03:14.140 about 2019 um i got my start at the daily caller news foundation which is uh you know tucker

00:03:20.480 tucker started the daily caller and then the daily caller news foundation is their non-profit side of

00:03:26.140 things and i didn't know anything about journalism i was working as a publicist at uh regular publishing

00:03:33.220 at the time and uh the kavanaugh hearings happened and i was so bothered by how the media covered all

00:03:39.580 of it and you know the the reporting that the new york times and other legacy outlets were producing

00:03:45.180 and i was so radicalized by that whole experience that i thought i want to be part of the news not

00:03:51.480 reacting to it anymore so i kind of dove in head first went to the daily caller and i got on this

00:03:57.480 culture beat there and at the time in 2019 it was interesting there was not a lot of recognition of

00:04:04.860 the importance of culture stories uh even on the right on you know the left has always been really

00:04:10.380 good at understanding how to talk about gender and uh life and abortion all these issues they've been

00:04:16.020 really good at talking about the messaging phrasing euphemisms all that the right uh was so cautious

00:04:23.460 about culture issues up until recently uh honestly i think that the catalyst was when glenn youngkin won

00:04:29.740 the election in virginia um and that was largely due to his his recognition that parents should have

00:04:36.080 on the last day in kids education uh and the latin county rape scandal uh but before that as a cultural

00:04:43.340 reporter i can tell you riley i would be reaching out to these lawmakers i'll be reaching out to a lot

00:04:48.180 of high profile people trying to get them to weigh in on some of these stories that i was like this is a

00:04:52.880 big deal and there was just this attitude that you know it wasn't really cool it wasn't really uh

00:04:59.120 popular to talk about gender uh or life issues of the pro-life issue was kind of like to the side it was

00:05:06.040 you know acceptable but gender wasn't and so when i was covering a lot of these stories around

00:05:12.420 2020 2021 and seeing more and more uh you know people who had tried to transition come forward

00:05:18.720 and sharing their stories i was fascinated and made me want to write about it uh but it wasn't until

00:05:24.680 a couple years ago that i got the opportunity to write a book and i thought this would be such a

00:05:28.600 great place to share these types of stories because it's not the kind of thing that you can

00:05:33.760 accurately explain in a news hit you know you and i know you know you do a ton of tv you get like a

00:05:39.860 two-minute segment you got to be really succinct get your point out there get your message across

00:05:44.560 but you don't have a lot of time to share these intimate and vulnerable stories that can have such

00:05:49.380 an impact on people so you know and as you know from your speaking and you know your own book

00:05:55.960 it's such a great format in more long form way to be able to give people these details and i felt like

00:06:01.900 when it came time for me to write this it was such a great opportunity to be able to show people you

00:06:07.140 know there are a ton of young kids out there today who are are having their lives dramatically

00:06:13.600 changed forever by social media by gender activists by teachers and counselors and you know we can get

00:06:19.940 into that later in the conversation but this is this is a big deal and i think that more parents need to

00:06:25.680 be aware of it and more kids need to understand that there are consequences to this type of thing and

00:06:30.000 it's not just a trend or a fad or the next type of thing we want to lean into and so i really dug into

00:06:37.520 a lot of different aspects of this in my book and i i'm hopeful that it'll reach a lot of people

00:06:42.040 uh it's you know i think these culture issues are the most important thing we can be talking about

00:06:47.300 today um specifically the protection of women's spaces the protection of women um the protection of

00:06:53.080 our kids innocence we just it's not really acknowledged anymore but our kids innocence is under attack

00:06:58.800 more and more every single day whether we're talking about the unborn whether we're talking

00:07:04.280 about kids in school whether we're talking about teenagers who are trying to figure out who they

00:07:09.140 are and why they're here on this earth all of this is under attack and uh so you know it's it's fun

00:07:15.400 that this is my my calling right now uh it's i really enjoy being a journalist i love diving into these

00:07:22.240 types of stories uh and that's why i wrote this book to shine some light on on what's going on here

00:07:28.140 well i love that you have the job that you do too because really there there is no one more

00:07:33.560 qualified or who does a better job than you do and i agree in saying that this is the issue uh the

00:07:40.640 issue of the the gender ideology movement and i would say for a couple reasons one of which because

00:07:46.520 you know you mentioned the parental rights you mentioned the safeguarding of children of course the

00:07:51.000 women's rights but i mean what we're seeing from people in the white house nonetheless the people who

00:07:56.980 are leading this country from the very tippy top and of course trickling all the way down

00:08:01.820 is that they are denying objective truth and how in the world do you want me to believe anything that

00:08:07.520 comes out of your mouth if you cannot uh unapologetically acknowledge that men and women

00:08:13.420 are different so so from that sheer stance alone i would say that that this is the issue uh you mentioned

00:08:20.360 it's hard and i so know what you're talking about in those news hits you have two minutes uh to be able

00:08:27.240 to kind of dive into all of the horrific you mentioned the word intimate vulnerable heartbreaking

00:08:33.620 uh pieces of the pie here everything that's contributing to this movement and again the harm

00:08:39.560 that's being done um but in your book you take us through personal stories and accounts of people like

00:08:45.360 presha mosley uh chloe cole luca hein i mean people who are dear friends of mine now and even tons of

00:08:51.660 others uh who are probably less publicly known stories um i mean can you give a brief like introduction

00:09:00.260 i know you just said it's it's hard to do that but i mean a few minutes of just kind of taking us

00:09:05.300 through the manipulation um the the the lies the deceit that these young people are falling for and

00:09:12.580 understandably so yeah so i i think i should start by saying we have a cultural identity crisis right

00:09:20.040 now where so many people in our world today don't understand what their purpose is um and you know

00:09:25.600 you can attribute that to a lot of factors has been a lot of research done on this i think you know from

00:09:31.480 a religious perspective a lot of people would say that not enough people are grounded in faith and they

00:09:35.620 don't have a sense of who they are why they're on this earth but at the end of the day you know we have a

00:09:40.880 lot of people especially young people who don't know what their identity is they don't understand

00:09:46.000 you know the roots of their family or what their purpose is in general uh and this is something

00:09:52.320 that's been going on for years i think you know there's there's even an argument to be made that

00:09:57.200 back when we saw problems with isis recruiting in our country there were a lot of young men that were

00:10:02.460 interested in joining isis because it gave them the sense of purpose and something to do which is

00:10:06.880 you know really twisted and sad but at the same time you sort of understand when we have a nation

00:10:11.760 of young people that don't really understand what their identity or purpose or meaning is

00:10:15.260 how they could be swayed towards something evil and in the same way we're seeing a lot of young people

00:10:21.340 who are being told oh you're not happy in your body you don't feel like you fit in you

00:10:26.960 don't have a lot of friends you don't like having a feminine body or you were assaulted and you don't

00:10:33.180 like your breasts all of this is because you're in the wrong body and you should get out of it

00:10:37.860 and of course to someone who you know someone like us we understand that this is crazy and that's

00:10:43.480 that's obviously not true but when a young person is being told this the young person who typically is

00:10:49.640 is lonely um they're probably on the autism spectrum they don't have a lot of friends they don't

00:10:55.320 fit in they wish that there were something else that they're not maybe they have struggles

00:10:59.500 in their family life uh you know not all but multiple of the detransitioners that i talked to

00:11:04.740 for this book had you know an alcoholic parent or a parent who was going through a divorce or

00:11:09.340 you know some kind of trouble at home there often is a sexual assault in their background tragically

00:11:15.460 and so there's a lot of different factors in their background that make them

00:11:19.460 you know looking for uh some comfort uh sense of identity sense of belonging and so

00:11:25.240 in this day and age a lot of young people seek that on the internet and for chloe for luca helena

00:11:31.480 presha abel there were so many gender activists who were online who were so ready to take them in to

00:11:37.840 affirm them to love bomb them to say the reason you don't fit in is because you're in the wrong body

00:11:42.740 you're not crazy and they really these activists really harness this idea that a lot of these

00:11:50.060 detransitioners have landed on that their puberty is somehow unique you know everyone goes through

00:11:55.940 puberty obviously we all do but you know not everyone understands that everyone goes through

00:12:01.560 puberty so it can feel like a very isolating and scary experience and so uh for someone like chloe for

00:12:08.260 example chloe who is like you were saying probably the most outspoken detransitioner on this issue

00:12:13.620 we had a fascinating conversation one day about uh the impacts that social media had on her and how

00:12:20.500 it kind of primed her for this gender content she was telling me that at the age of 12 or 13 she's

00:12:25.780 going on social media and she's bombarded with all of these images of women and i think we both know

00:12:33.380 really that when you're a younger girl when you're looking at other women you're not just like

00:12:37.080 looking at other women you're thinking is that who i'm supposed to be like am i going to be her

00:12:41.900 and so for chloe she's seeing all these images of women they're so you know uh perfectly sculpted uh

00:12:49.680 you know they get so much male affirmation and she's thinking i don't look anything like that i

00:12:54.340 don't know how to compete with that i don't know how to be that so she's got that going on and at the

00:12:59.140 same time she and many others told me that at a very young age they were exposed to pornography

00:13:04.020 and so in pornography we know that a lot of women are really humiliated and graded and so she's seeing

00:13:09.660 this content and thinking i don't want anything to do with that that looks really scary uh and keep

00:13:15.000 in mind a lot of the girls we're talking about have been sexually assaulted so that in combination with

00:13:20.340 the humiliating and degrading way women are treated in pornography is very scary and kind of escalates

00:13:25.620 that issue for them so this kind of this little cocktail of younger girls seeing this uh you know

00:13:32.160 unattainable standards in women that which we already know are well documented by instagram and facebook

00:13:37.660 they know that they're perpetrating these scary unattainable standards images for girls at the

00:13:44.320 same time they're seeing this really awful content pornography and so it's very much a priming of

00:13:50.900 them to be open to this gender content where someone will say oh you feel like you can't be a woman or you

00:13:56.940 don't look like a woman it's because maybe you're not and then when they already feel like they're not

00:14:01.160 fitting in and they're looking for a sense of purpose it's just too easy for this activist to say

00:14:06.120 okay maybe you should get started on this path and that's really how a bunch of the girls that i

00:14:11.300 talked to said that they went down this slippery slope obviously it's a little different for the

00:14:16.140 guys but at the same time it's the same idea you know where they're being primed by these gender

00:14:20.480 activists and then affirmed by people at school um maybe friends maybe counselors maybe therapists

00:14:26.440 who tell them yes across the board they're affirmed yes you if you believe you're trans you're trans

00:14:31.720 and you need to get so-called gender affirming care wow yeah heartbreaking is what that is

00:14:39.760 uh we hear from many accounts in the book of people who began uh hrt hormone replacement therapy

00:14:50.160 taking testosterone or estrogen and what i found was interesting is they were all virtually told uh that

00:14:56.880 look you know this is basically i mean they're called puberty blockers they just block your puberty

00:15:01.260 they they pause it for just a short period of time uh and they you know we have critics uh people

00:15:08.060 who support child transition who say that these procedures are wrongly labeled as irreversible

00:15:13.760 in talking with with these people who have gone through um with some of these procedures some of them

00:15:20.640 surgeries some of them uh just the hormones uh what is your response in saying uh that these

00:15:27.180 puberty can just be paused and easily resumed well first of all these researchers i was just digging

00:15:34.740 through this one researchers uh so-called research on puberty blockers the other day she's being paid

00:15:40.020 by the bite administration to dig into puberty blockers she used to give puberty blockers to kids

00:15:44.880 in hospitals so i'm looking through her research and she's talking about how she knows that puberty

00:15:50.980 blockers cause kids bone density to get all messed up she knows about all these negative side effects

00:15:57.400 that puberty blockers cause in children she's acknowledging it in her research but she says

00:16:01.860 but because we think kids will commit suicide if they don't get puberty blockers we're going to give

00:16:07.480 them to them anyways the risks outweigh the dangers which is just this is like very emblematic of this

00:16:13.740 whole discussion right they're claiming and they do this every time every single detransitioner i talked to

00:16:19.660 was told this uh when they go in with their parents and they're talking about getting this

00:16:24.080 treatment uh they're told by the doctors tell their parents would you rather have a dead daughter or a

00:16:30.060 living son and that's a threat they're saying if you do not comply with our gender ideology your kid

00:16:36.480 will kill themselves and it will be your fault and so the parents feel obliged to go along with this

00:16:42.140 and that lie is kind of woven throughout all of this gender ideology and that you know this is what

00:16:48.540 this researcher is saying why we should be giving puberty blockers to kids because they'll kill

00:16:53.120 themselves if they don't get it it's not true it's not based on hard science or facts but that's what

00:16:58.360 they're predicating a lot of this on and that is just so scary that they can sell all of us this lie

00:17:05.000 and that's what the uh major medical organizations will all go off of and we also know that some of

00:17:12.000 these so-called um major medical organizations you'll see that and establishment media will say

00:17:17.520 all major medical organizations support gender affirming care well one of the top ones w path

00:17:23.260 was just exposed for knowing that puberty blockers and hormones were experimental knowing that they're

00:17:30.080 dangerous and knowing that these kids can't actually give informed consent to this stuff because

00:17:36.040 they're so mentally ill and yet they didn't say anything about it publicly they're saying you know

00:17:42.640 hormone uh hormones are good puberty blockers are good they relieve gender dysphoria and they really

00:17:48.240 have no basis for saying any of this and they're not interested in hearing the stories of the

00:17:53.380 detransitioners who are frantically saying hello we went through all of this we understand what happens

00:18:00.800 our bodies have been affected by this experimental and dangerous treatments but no one wants to hear it

00:18:06.020 because that doesn't go with the narrative that's not the going narrative right now no yeah uh and

00:18:12.020 this number of detransitioners it's growing uh and similar to you of course not in at the same length or

00:18:19.400 in depth in the same way but i've talked to many of them uh many people who who even want to

00:18:25.840 continue remaining anonymous or they don't feel confident enough to to share their detransitioning

00:18:32.300 experience publicly why do you think that is why don't we hear from more detransitioners again as

00:18:39.340 that number continues to grow well i think part of it is that a they receive so much hate and vitriol

00:18:45.820 for even slightly saying that they regret their transition uh it's it's not an acceptable thing to

00:18:54.140 say when you are part of the so-called transgender community uh these transgender activists will love

00:19:00.160 bomb you and affirm you when you think that you're trans and they will tell you if anyone tells you

00:19:05.760 that you're not trans it's because they hate you and they want you dead so that is the culture that is

00:19:10.980 very much um nourished in that community and so let's say chloe for example decides to speak up

00:19:19.840 she gets a ton of support from from good people all across our country and i do want to emphasize that

00:19:26.020 she gets massive support but at the same time she gets a lot of hate and vitriol from these gender

00:19:32.300 activists uh and you know you'll see it if you look at their their replies on twitter or you know other

00:19:38.400 social media platforms people calling them ugly people saying all these horrific things people saying

00:19:43.500 it would be better if they were dead uh and so you can kind of see why a lot of people would not

00:19:48.820 want to come forward just like in your situation you know it takes a lot of bravery to take a stand on this

00:19:54.780 and to speak up and so you know i don't judge the ones who don't um because you know at the end of

00:20:00.080 the day i think we all hope and pray that they can have normal lives and you know uh that they're not

00:20:04.820 infertile that they can have uh you know a healthy uh sexual intimacy with their future spouse you know

00:20:11.180 we want them to be able to be in a good place um and and if they want to be anonymous good but we also

00:20:17.200 really do need detransitioners who are brave enough to stand up and and uh and make their voice heard on this

00:20:24.080 issue we just also need them to be careful and take care of themselves because part of this desire

00:20:29.580 to transition is based on a often on a desire for attention and i and when i say that i mean you know

00:20:37.000 a desire for love and affirmation from a community and so when you're doing that in the trying to

00:20:43.900 transition and you getting all that attention from the transgender community you do have to remember

00:20:48.920 that that's in your past and so when you when you speak up on this issue at a certain point you're

00:20:54.020 going to need to take a step back and take care of yourself which is what uh helena kirschner one of

00:20:58.580 the girls in my book had to do because you know it's not good for for these people who have been

00:21:03.500 through so much trauma to always be in the limelight always be getting this attention everyone needs to

00:21:08.920 have their own uh home base and their own you know you know their own ability to have a flourishing

00:21:14.400 private life and that's what we want for all of them but so grateful that they are willing to take

00:21:20.060 this time now and to speak up and be heard no i i 100 agree i think where um people are quick to say

00:21:27.620 you know well why aren't the girls standing up or at least in the sports world they say you know why

00:21:31.320 isn't every girl backing down or not going when the gun goes and in an ideal world i mean that would

00:21:37.280 be amazing to see but again that's just not the reality of it uh these these are people who don't

00:21:43.100 understand the threats or the risk that these girls are being told they will face again it's not

00:21:48.100 always uh what they actually would face if if they were to take a stand but it's what they're being

00:21:52.580 told and so it's what they believe and i don't fault them either um but you you mentioned um well

00:21:59.180 you mentioned fertility which made me think of presha who has now just delivered a beautiful baby boy

00:22:04.480 which is certainly i mean just a um something that leaves my heart overjoyed again it was never a

00:22:10.320 guarantee for her that she was uh fertile or or that she could engage in intercourse in that way

00:22:15.700 or what have you but she um now has a beautiful baby boy um we have seen multiple lawsuits now from

00:22:22.880 people in the book i think there's i think you would probably know better than me i think there's

00:22:26.300 about 13 different lawsuits from detransitioners uh right now which is huge i believe that's a big

00:22:32.540 way in and fighting and pushing back and saying no enough is enough um so what do you think i mean

00:22:38.320 do you believe that the tide is turning do you feel hopeful i do i really do in fact you know

00:22:44.660 first of all all of this legislation all over the country i think it's a safe act that

00:22:49.400 lawmakers all over the country have been pushing that basically bans transgender surgeries hormones

00:22:54.460 and puberty blockers for minors uh i could talk all day about how the media frames that it's one of

00:23:00.540 the hills that i will die on um i am happy to go down the rabbit hole of every ap reporter who is

00:23:07.080 using this language it just drives me insane um but i these this legislation is huge it's so

00:23:13.660 important and i think it's really helpful in helping uh you know communities to understand

00:23:18.720 that we are up against this it's one of those things that sounds so nuts that until it happens

00:23:23.560 to your kid i think a lot of people don't believe it's really going on so getting this legislation passed

00:23:28.540 i think is a really helpful uh in not only protecting our kids but in helping everybody understand

00:23:33.440 what's going on and and and just spread awareness about the fact that this is happening but also

00:23:39.980 the lawsuits are huge uh you know i can write a story for daily signal and call out a doctor

00:23:46.100 and it might make them kind of uncomfortable but a lawsuit is a completely different thing a lawsuit is

00:23:51.440 much scarier there's money involved there's reputation involved uh it's just it's a whole other ballgame

00:23:57.180 and uh those are really powerful so i'm excited to see how how those go where they go and then

00:24:03.940 finally i think that one of the main reasons i feel the tide is turning on on gender ideology in

00:24:10.140 general is that chloe and presha and luca and helena and abel all of their voices are being heard

00:24:16.440 uh they're getting out there their stories are getting out there they're brave enough to put themselves

00:24:21.460 on the line and because of people like them people are learning more and more and more about these

00:24:27.240 stories and they have been so loud and i would actually argue that conservative media has been

00:24:33.460 so good at amplifying their voices that even the new york times and the washington post were forced to do

00:24:39.600 one each one big detransitioner story each and of course they include a lot of phony statistics and

00:24:47.060 claims in these stories such as the lie that less than one percent of transgender people regret their

00:24:53.760 transition it's a very carefully crafted statistic because the people who currently identify as

00:24:59.240 transgender of course they don't regret their transition but that's what you know these legacy

00:25:03.160 outlets tout as their as their refutation of detransitioners but just the fact the new york times

00:25:09.260 and washington post did these massive stories on detransitioners and mentioned chloe and showed

00:25:14.000 pictures of chloe and presha is a sign that the tide is turning i can tell you as a reporter every

00:25:19.860 time the new york times or washington post will finally make a move to recognize something like

00:25:26.600 this that's a really good cultural indicator that it's going down and so that that gave me a lot of

00:25:32.440 hope when i saw that and uh just the the the absolute uh absolute just joy that people meet chloe with

00:25:42.000 uh when i've been at a couple speaking engagements with her and seen her in action and just

00:25:46.200 it's so encouraging to me you know americans do not support this type of thing for kids

00:25:51.980 uh polling shows it uh testimony shows it my mail street interviews show it no one wants this to be

00:25:58.720 happening to kids the only reason that it's being allowed to happen is because people will get

00:26:02.760 pressured into situations and feel like they have no other choices so i think the tide is turning i really

00:26:08.360 do and and uh this book is an effort to help spread more awareness to help people understand the

00:26:14.240 ins and outs of this gruesomeness and and you know i want people to be able to talk about it

00:26:19.380 like your your your average mom on the soccer field in the fall when she's standing there with her

00:26:24.320 girlfriends and they're randomly mentioned that one of their kids is going to start puberty blockers

00:26:28.320 i want her to be able to say are you sure i've heard some stories saying that this can be really

00:26:33.000 bad for kids like i want to be able to equip a lot of people to talk about this in a casual manner

00:26:38.080 because that's what it takes to put a stop to this type of thing no doubt um okay where can people get

00:26:44.960 the book how can we support you of course the board the book the reporting and work that you're doing

00:26:51.380 um let us know you can get the book at amazon or anywhere books are sold leave me a review i would

00:26:58.080 be so grateful and then you can find my reporting at dailysignal.com or follow me on x slash twitter

00:27:04.280 at mary marg olehan you're the best mary margaret thank you so much again everyone go get this book

00:27:10.960 detrans uh true stories of escaping the gender ideology cult uh you will learn so much your heart

00:27:17.420 will be broken this is not for the faint of heart but again it is stories that need to be heard and

00:27:23.500 need to be spread um so thank you mary margaret you are the best thank you all right thank you

00:27:29.740 guys for tuning in again make sure you get her new book detrans true stories of escaping the gender

00:27:35.160 ideology cult uh as i said i am almost done with it but really um it's amazing you will learn so much

00:27:41.640 you will feel heartbroken uh but it is it's necessary it's a it's a necessary feeling of heartbreak

00:27:48.180 uh so check it out anywhere where you get your books um support her support her work um as i have

00:27:54.120 also said she really has been at the forefront she's broken many stories uh i can think of one

00:27:58.600 off the top of my head uh where she was monumental was at saint mary's uh the sister school basically to

00:28:04.600 notre dame the all women's catholic institution which has now allowed boys into this this institution

00:28:11.020 uh she broke this story ultimately causing the the school to reverse course uh so her work she's

00:28:16.780 doing is fantastic uh and i think we should all support her again check us out at outkick.com

00:28:21.940 and we hope to see you next week on the gains for girls podcast

Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - July 17, 2024

Protecting Children, Women's Spaces, and Innocence

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