Reclaiming Military Integrity
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Will Tebow is a former Army Ranger and former National Football Hall of Fame quarterback who served as a member of the U.S. National Football Team and as a National Football League Quarterback. He also served as the Vice President of the United States from 2001 to 2006, when he was elected to Congress. Tebow joins Jemele to discuss his military experience, how it shaped his approach to leadership, and what he sees as the biggest challenges facing our country.
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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast.
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As always, I am very grateful and glad that you are here, tuned in, listening.
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And you're going to want to do that today because I have the honor of speaking with someone
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who knows what it means to serve, not just in uniform, of course,
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but in the fight for the future of our country.
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Will Tebow, he is a former army ranger, a role that demands the highest level
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But his service did not end when he took off the uniform.
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Now he's channeling that same warrior mindset into a new mission,
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which is defending the principles that make America strong
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and standing up for what is right in the policy and cultural battles that we face today.
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We are going to dive into his military experience, how that shaped his approach to leadership,
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what he sees as the biggest challenges facing our country.
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Of course, his take on the new Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth,
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Well, Will, welcome to the Gains for Girls podcast.
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And before anything, I just want to thank you for your service, for your leadership,
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for your bravery, for everything that you have done and certainly continue to do.
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Look, I kind of just want to hop right into it.
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We have seen some pretty major changes over these past, what, seven, almost eight weeks now,
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with President Donald Trump back in the White House, with Pete Hegseth, back in charge of defense and military.
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So can you just kind of walk us through maybe the comparison to under the Biden administration,
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to our military, under President Trump, with Pete Hegseth's leadership?
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And I want to start, though, by saying this has been a problem in the military for a lot longer
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than me, you, or a lot of your listeners probably think.
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In 1965, you saw the first race quotas in the U.S. military.
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Secretary of Defense McNamara at the time wanted the military to be the epicenter for victory for the civil rights movement,
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meaning that there is a mandate that the military look racially and eventually by sex like the nation,
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It took on, as you probably know, you know, new steam during the Obama administration,
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intense scrutiny for military officers, the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell,
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you know, to make the military more conducive to U.S. social policy,
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And then, you know, as you know, Riley, the Biden administration, you know, I think just took the mask off of any pretense
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that the military was an apolitical institution and ensured that the nation and the people believed it to be an institution of the left.
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And so you saw force-wide mandates for diversity.
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And again, this is not an encouragement for tolerance or anti-discrimination,
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but a mandate that units at every level, small to big, looked a certain way based on the color of soldiers' skin or their sex.
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That's, you know, it's frankly, it's policies that even Harvard and Yale didn't have on the books.
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You know, transvestite service members were allowed to serve not just openly,
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You know, they celebrated Pride Month every year.
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It was clear who belonged and who didn't in the Biden military.
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And, you know, you get a sense, to your point, that the first two months of the Trump administration
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are a sign that President Trump and Secretary Hegseth know that if not now,
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we never will have the chance to reclaim the institution of the military,
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first for political neutrality, but even, you know, even for conservatives in America.
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We can't, we won't ever be able to reclaim it again as a place that, you know,
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your kids or my kids could serve honorably and faithfully.
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And it starts with restoring standards as a means of determining who's best,
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not just a basic pass-fail benchmark for, you know, placing a unit.
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Yeah, it started with the Defense Race Relations Board,
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which again was, you know, the thought that the Pentagon could be
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the first institution that embraced the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
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I would imagine many Americans are in the same boat as me, having no idea.
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Of course, we saw, as you said, right, the past four years.
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But to understand this has been going on so, so much longer than that,
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I think really brought to light in the previous four years, that is eye-opening.
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And we've seen, of course, I think your everyday American can understand how these
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DEI programs and initiatives impact military readiness and operational effectiveness.
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But I want to ask you about these military leaders.
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Like, are they feeling pressured to abide by these ideological viewpoints rather than
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focusing on military excellence or merit, I guess, which is in contrast to everything
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And to your great observation that this has been going on under the radar for a lot longer
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than we think, it's due to the genuine and, I think, worthy deference that the American
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people have to the military as an institution because of the very unique job that the military
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as a whole and the individuals in the military have to do on behalf of the nation.
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But what I think is important, what I think is changing, is the understanding that uniformed
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military leaders are culpable for this ideological takeover that took place over the last
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You know, it is one thing, you know, military, uniformed military leaders have to follow the
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orders of the political appointees in the Department of Defense, obviously the Secretary
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of Defense and the President foremost amongst them.
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But what doesn't have to happen, you know, a uniformed admiral doesn't have to speak at
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a Women's Equality Day event and say that, you know, military officers should be skeptical
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of laws passed by Congress because so many elected representatives are white men.
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You know, an army general doesn't have to say that soldiers are complicit in white supremacy
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if they serve at Fort Benning or Fort Bragg based on the names of those institutions.
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What I think we saw during the Biden administration especially was this really brazen political embrace
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of an ideology over the professional duty of the uniformed military to follow orders.
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That's against military law to embrace ideology and politics in uniform.
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But to your point, it really did fracture the relationship and the trust between the public
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And we saw that in recruiting numbers and different things, right?
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I think if I'm not mistaken, when President Biden left office or let's say at the end of 2024,
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I know specifically in the army, those are some of the numbers I saw.
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It was like the lowest recruiting levels, maybe in years and in history.
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But then again, following Secretary Hexhaugh's appointment, it was like the highest recruiting
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Like, is there this newfound sense of pride in our military?
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And I think even more broadly, to be an American, I think we lost that.
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I will speak as someone who obviously doesn't have the military background or expertise that
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But I can say personally, I feel much more prideful and patriotic in saying that I am American
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And that's a worthy sentiment that I think reflects reality for those who are considering
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But what I think is the underlying point, and, you know, frankly, as someone who deployed
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multiple times to Iraq, it's something to which I can relate.
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The American people trust their leaders in this administration.
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You know, the American Principles Project, an organization I know with, you know, if you're
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familiar, they did a study and it showed the biggest reason why veterans didn't want their
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The biggest reason they didn't want them to serve is because of a mistrust of military
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You know, I don't want my son serving on an aircraft carrier if he has to, you know,
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go by a pride parade, you know, every other day in June.
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But also, you know, even as important, I want my sons to serve in a military that will
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consider their sacrifice and their service responsibly.
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I don't want them, you know, to serve in interests that are not directly related to the American
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And that's what I think President Trump and Secretary Hegseth represent, a confidence that
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the military, if it must be used, will be used on behalf of the American people and our
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And it's something that has been lost for decades.
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And again, I say that as someone who fought in Iraq for a cause that I think about questioning
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I made the mistake of not asking you, I mean, the first question I should have asked you
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I mean, it's a humble background compared to most.
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I was blessed enough to serve in, you know, what I think is the greatest military unit,
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And it was as a ranger that I deployed, you know, multiple times to the Middle East.
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But it was, you know, it was for uncertain causes.
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I deployed over 10 years after we started the war in Iraq.
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And I remember stepping foot on the tarmac, my first deployment and wondering, you know,
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thinking back to my younger self, you know, contemplating the invasion in 2003 and just
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wondering how it was still the case that, you know, American soldiers were deploying
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But at the end of the day, you know, a lot of people, you know, talk this way or that
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But it would, you know, I think it'll always be the best job I ever had.
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I've got to ask you, of course, about the horrific, destructive, disastrous Afghanistan
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I've had the greatest honor of getting to know several of these these Gold Star family members,
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And I mean, my heart breaks, of course, for the situation that they have found themselves
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But to see their resilience, I guess, and just understanding, even still with their children,
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their nephews, their siblings being gone, that it was the ultimate sacrifice that they
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signed up for, of course, in a way that is unfathomable to most.
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I want to get your thoughts just on the Afghanistan withdrawal.
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Yeah, and thanks so much for, you know, your support of Gold Star Families Rally.
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You know, you wonder so much of all the things that could have been done differently.
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You know, frankly, especially at the senior military officer level, right?
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The commander of Central Command, General Mark Milley, you know, why you can ask yourself
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a lot of reasons from the location of the withdrawal to the timing of why certain things
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But I'll say this, you know, as someone who is, you know, very close, I never went to
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I, you know, what it says to me is that we spent 20 years, 20 more, almost, you know,
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more than 20 years of blood, sweat, and treasure in that country, building up their government,
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And it collapsed, it all collapsed over the course of a long weekend.
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And this is after, you know, every, every six months or so, a four-star general would
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testify in Congress that U.S. forces only needed a few more bodies and a few more billion
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dollars, and we can turn the tide and make the, you know, the government of Afghanistan
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But for some reason, after all that investment, it all just collapsed.
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And although I do think there should be some accountability and some scrutiny to how the
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withdrawal happened, that's, I want accountability for how we went 20 years with such little to
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You know, I, my, you know, my heartaches for the gold star families of those, those
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13 Marines and soldier, the soldier who were killed.
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But I'm also thinking about all the gold star families of the, you know, almost 4,000 guys
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and girls that we lost in the, you know, in the 20 years prior.
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Frankly, I think that might even be a crime that the Trump administration should ask a lot
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And I don't think that's a number that's, it's talked about often.
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Uh, I certainly haven't heard that 4,000 number.
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You mentioned, obviously, I mean, you dedicate really your time now to, to really combating
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Uh, you mentioned these different standards that men and women have a different expectations,
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different, whether it's, it's fitness tests, fitness levels, whatever it is.
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Because of course my platform and the people who listen to, to this podcast, uh, it's,
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it's built around the idea that of course, men and women are different, right?
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I mean, the novel concept, the very controversial statement that men and women are different.
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So can you talk about what this looks like in regards to, to the military?
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And I think the military is still coming to grip with that reality.
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We want to go all the way back to 19, 1965, but in 2014, uh, president Obama, uh, removed
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the combat exclusion policy, which was the policy in the military that there are certain jobs
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or military occupation specialties that are not open or available, uh, for women, uh, infantry
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Uh, if you, you know, there are a few others, this was done under the belief that we should
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not discriminate against any man or woman who could pass the same standards in order
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Now, you know, categorically, I think this gets something very wrong about the military.
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It's an, it's an institution of violence, uh, and, and remarkable unit cohesion, but, you
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But what the army was doing concurrently to that policy change is the launch of, uh, what
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is still called the army combat fitness test, which is going to be a test supposedly, uh,
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to better measure a soldier's ability to perform in ground combat.
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You'd lift weights, you'd do pull-ups, you'd drag heavy things, you'd sprint and you'd run
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and do some pushups, you know, a few other events.
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Uh, again, this was supposed to be a test that would measure men and women on the same,
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So, uh, more than 10 years later, tens of millions of dollars later, the army combat
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fitness test is still gender segregated, right?
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That we've never reached the panacea that the army's claimed, uh, you know, to have been
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true that men and women should be evaluated on the same standards.
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And in fact, they've, they've removed events from the army combat fitness test under political
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pressure from, uh, female generals and senators, uh, because there was a discrepancy in how men
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and women, imagine that performed on a given test.
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Uh, and, you know, we're still waiting for this, uh, you know, for this concept of genuine,
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I think, you know, uh, Secretary Hegseth made an announcement last week that may indicate
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But even if you buy the notion that women should be able to serve in ground combat roles,
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uh, you should at least acknowledge that we have not gotten to the place where men and
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It's this, you know, this, uh, you know, cognitive dissonance between the realities of war that
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know, no sex between, you know, based on who, who gets wounded, who doesn't, and, you know,
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who, who should be in these positions based on their, their, their.
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Uh, I have several, uh, people in my life who were in the military.
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Uh, and when I bring this topic up with them, they say, look, if we had a woman on the combat
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field with us as a man, our mindset shifts, our job at that point is to look after the
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Like that, that's, I think what any man, at least who was raised, right, even innately,
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inherently subconsciously, you're, you're looking after someone who should be able to look after
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So I thought that was an interesting point again, outside of the, the obvious and very real
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Uh, we've seen several reports over the past few weeks, even as, as I mean, this morning
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of swatting taking place, targeting really these, these MAGA influencers or whatever you want
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Uh, Kash Patel has said that the FBI is, is currently investigating this issue.
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I wanted to ask you, how do you see this, this type of, I mean, I don't know what it is,
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this intimidation mechanism, maybe affecting our public safety.
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And do you have any insight into, to what could help something like this?
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Well, I think there, this is, this highlights the importance of legitimate federal power,
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uh, who can not only again, create a neutral playing field for Democrats and Republicans,
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the left and the right in America, but who can prosecute and dismantle the networks.
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Cause I do think it's a network and the people who are, who are propagating, uh, who are propagating
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We should go after the people who are pursuing swatting of, of reasonable Americans, uh,
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under the full, full extent of the law, just like January 6th protesters, you know, were
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I, you know, you and I both know that it's easy, uh, in this technological age to understand
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who makes phone calls from where the information's out there.
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Uh, you probably all barely need a warrant, uh, to get there.
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I imagine they are, uh, but it's just a sign that the left and right don't play by the same,
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I can't think of a time that a leftist was swatted, you know, by, by a conservative, you
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know, I, I hope that the, you know, those of us who are interested in the truth still
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speak for it and we have to, but we have federal power now.
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Let's use federal power to preserve our way of life and, you know, the safety of, of our
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Something I'm always intrigued in, in talking to, to us military members is what was the
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Uh, do you feel like you received the help and the support for, first of all, when, when
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Yeah, I, I left the military in 2020, almost five years ago to the day.
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Do you feel like you, you received the help and support at that time, uh, that I believe,
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and of course that majority of Americans believe you're entitled to actually legally that you
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I, I don't, I'm kind of the type of Irish heritage or whatever.
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I, I'm just going to kind of put my nose down and, and grind and I'm not sure what I, uh,
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deserve, but I, you know, I do think that Americans, America's veterans deserve preferential
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You know, even to this day, I, I only feel at home around, you know, my, my old army
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buddies or my, you know, former, former Rangers and guys who kind of have, have lived through
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I, you know, I've been blessed because I have a family and I have, you know, people who love
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But what I worry about is the guys who don't, um, you know, the guys who really saw traumatic,
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uh, traumatic events and don't have a venue for, um, you know, for fellowship and brotherhood.
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That's kind of, you know, our atomized society has encroached even to the military.
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One, one thing I want, I want to do more research on, you know, the early part of the war and
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terror, early two thousands barracks looked more like open bays and with bunk beds for the
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And so when you'd come home from overseas, you were just with everyone, you're with your
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brothers, with your teammates, more and more barracks started to look like hotel rooms where
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every soldier, even the junior ones just had their own room, their own shower, and there
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was no impetus for them to get out and be with each other.
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You know, even after coming home from, from traumatic experiences, these are the things that
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I hope I'm hoping, you know, people like secretary Collins and, and even, you know, secretary
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Hegseth can start to look at how do we, uh, you know, bring soldiers and veterans together
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because that's, that's the only way I think you can replace, uh, and, and preserve the
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It's not about, I just don't think it's about drugs or, you know, experiences.
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I do think it's about faith and, and, you know, spiritual life, but, uh, you have to show
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you, we, you have to show guys like me that there are others right here next to you.
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They just, they're just, they're just looking for a shoulder and, you know, a guy who gets
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So, so what next, uh, obviously, as we've mentioned, uh, Pete Hegseth, he's, he's, you
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know, issuing these orders of reviewing military grooming and fitness standards and, and across
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the board, uh, returning the military to a place where, of course, its job is to make
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Um, so, so what are kind of the next big things that you would like to see our current administration
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look into and improve as it pertains to, to the military?
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Well, it starts with accountability, you know, by, by my counts, there are over 70 uniformed
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generals and admirals who openly advocated for DEI as military policy as part of their service.
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They made it their public persona, uh, to support DEI as policy.
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And I think one way or the other, they should be shown, uh, shown the door and made clear
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that it's because they supported such actions, uh, that they're not going to get promoted
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You know, the second is I think the Senate and the house need to step in and codify much
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of what president Trump and secretary Hegseth are doing in law.
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I mean, the Republicans have the majority in both the house and Senate.
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It's time that we eliminate for the future, any use of race or sex as considerations for military
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We have to end the days where quotas are possible.
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What happened in the first Trump administration and even previous Republican administrations
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is that the kind of ideological current continued under, you know, undetected.
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Uh, we have to make that impossible, uh, for whenever president Trump, uh, does lead office,
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but, and then third, and, and, you know, it's not final, but for our purposes, I'll, I'll pause
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We need to consider organizational reform to the military.
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What, why do our service academies look like four year institutions where you can get a
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major in social studies, you know, West point until about four weeks ago offered a diversity
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It's, it's easy to take something off a website, but we need to consider broader structural reforms
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so that it can't happen for generations of officers into the future.
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Same with military organizations like the joint staff, right?
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If there's a deep state in the military, it's the joint staff, unaccountable to any political
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Uh, and they make a joke that you can't plan a barbecue in the military without joint staff
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Those generals are meant to advise, uh, provide advice and consent to the president and, and
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Uh, I think the, the general public, I certainly wouldn't have actually, let me be very clear.
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Had I not been kind of thrusted into the position that I'm in now, I wouldn't know that an executive
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order is not codified permanently into law for, for ever and ever and ever, uh, those can be
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Uh, so I totally agree, uh, shifting public persona, encouraging the public, uh, to, to, uh,
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pester their, their legislators, their lawmakers, their elected officials into, into making really
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the America first agenda as a whole permanent, uh, is, is crucial stuff.
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Last thing for you, uh, I think I just would love to hear your advice, uh, for the next
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I think many young Americans, they just feel disconnected from maybe not even, you know,
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I think service as a whole from, from civic duty.
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Uh, so what advice do you have for those who are looking to lead with purpose?
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Again, whether that's in the military, public service, advocacy, or beyond.
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Uh, so what advice do you have for those who are looking to lead with purpose?
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Well, you know, I'll just say, I do encourage military service.
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I, I don't, you know, there's this whole, there's all this discussion online and in political
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circles about how you cultivate masculinity and, you know, the virtues of manhood.
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And I'm so confused as to why, you know, service in the military is often excluded from that because
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You know, you, you subjugate your own desires for the good of others.
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Uh, it cultivates physical fitness, rigor, uh, and immense suffering, uh, again, for, uh, a cause
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And you can do something of which you are really proud that, and that is timeless.
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Um, it is, you know, to me, it's become a real shame that the military is, is no longer,
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was no longer seen as a place where you could, where a conservative American man or a conservative
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American boy could grow up and become a man that, cause that's what it was for me.
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I wouldn't be anyone without my service in the military.
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And we should, uh, reclaim it because if, if your life is, is just about kind of personal
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benchmarks of, you know, fulfillment and achievement, I think you'll, you'll reach the end of your
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days and I, you know, I'm, I'm, I don't know myself, but I, you know, I think you'll reach
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the end of your days and what kind of wonder what's been, you know, I, even, even me in
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my thirties, I can look back with some confidence that I spent my twenties, uh, doing something
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I can, I'm doing something that I want to show, uh, my sons and my kids, my daughters, uh,
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And that, that is, I think a benchmark of success.
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If you've done something to which you can pass on, you know, to your, to your children
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and to your family, uh, it's, it's the measure of, of a life worth living.
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And then the task for, I think you and me now, Riley, is to make sure the nation is worth
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Um, but if it's not, then I think we're in, we're in bad shape, but you know, until we get
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there, I think service is a great way to spend your twenties.
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And you mentioned that, that brotherhood you have, um, I was on a team, right?
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I played, uh, sports and, and it's, I can imagine similar to a degree, uh, where you
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But, uh, in our case, we weren't, that didn't really mean risking our lives.
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So the, the brotherhood that I'm sure you've developed, uh, over the years will, will, I
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Uh, we appreciate your service, everything that you're, you've done.
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I, I really believe that you're a hero for your time on the battlefield.
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Uh, and again, for what you continue to do and, and highlighting the problems that exist,
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but not only that working to create solutions, uh, in this reform you speak of.
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I'm not a hero, but, uh, I really appreciate the chance to, to highlight those who are.
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After just talking with Will, I feel like just patriotism is on the rise again.
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Uh, so thank you, Will, to all U.S. military members and their families.
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