Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - December 20, 2023


Restoring Sanity in Women's Sports with Senator Tommy Tuberville

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Tommy Tuberville has been on the podcast before, but he s coming back on to debrief what s going on with the Protection of Women, Girls, and Sports Act, the recent hearings surrounding Title IX, and his bipartisan legislation.

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00:00:00.540 Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line, but first...
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00:00:18.040 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast. I hope you all are enjoying the holiday season.
00:00:32.660 Today's guest has been on the podcast before, but he's coming back on to debrief what's going on with the Protection of Women, Girls and Sports Act that is hung up in the Senate right now.
00:00:43.480 We want to debrief Title IX, the recent hearings surrounding this topic, and his bipartisan NIL legislation.
00:00:51.360 So check out the interview here with Senator and Coach Tommy Tuberville.
00:00:55.840 Well, Senator Tuberville, I am so glad you're back on.
00:00:59.220 I kind of just wanted to start with getting a few of your thoughts on this hearing that just took place a few weeks ago.
00:01:04.740 You know, you have members of the U.S. House and even some of your Democrat colleagues who say that our stance is transphobic and bigoted and hateful and the list goes on.
00:01:15.200 To me, it's, I mean, it's just incredibly telling when they start name calling, which is what I saw as one of the witnesses a few weeks ago.
00:01:23.860 I saw that the entire four hour long hearing from the House Democrats.
00:01:28.300 And so I just kind of wanted to ask you, you know, why do you think it is that they resort to this?
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00:01:59.680 That's what they do.
00:02:02.600 What they do is they make everybody, try to make everybody look like they're the bad person in the whole thing that's going on.
00:02:10.020 When behind the scenes, it's kind of like in the last election, you know, the election fraud, the Russia collusion, Democrats from all the way from Obama to Clinton to this last election with Biden.
00:02:23.120 And everything that they accuse people of doing, they do themselves.
00:02:27.880 I mean, it's absolutely amazing.
00:02:29.660 But, you know, that hearing was very interesting.
00:02:34.180 You learn a lot about people, you know, when you get them in front of a group and you basically ask them a question.
00:02:39.360 They didn't normally speak what they believe.
00:02:41.240 And it's disastrous for our country, what some of these people believe.
00:02:45.320 It's disastrous for the nuclear family, a mom and dad, male and female. 0.89
00:02:54.160 I mean, they want to change just everything.
00:02:55.940 And if you can remember back, Barack Obama said, we're going to transition this country.
00:03:00.920 Well, they started doing that.
00:03:02.860 Then we had President Trump come in.
00:03:04.720 He stopped it.
00:03:05.420 And then Joe Biden comes in.
00:03:06.980 He continues that motion.
00:03:09.660 And but he's added on.
00:03:11.140 We're going to transition the country. 1.00
00:03:12.660 Then we're going to build it back better the way more people will enjoy it.
00:03:16.440 Well, I don't know where they're getting their polling from, who enjoys what's going on right now.
00:03:22.100 But it's not very many people are on board with the Biden administration.
00:03:26.460 No way.
00:03:26.820 And it's funny because they're doing it in the guise of progress, as if we're moving in the positive forward direction.
00:03:35.420 But what we're seeing, especially in regards to Title IX, is, look, this isn't progress.
00:03:40.640 This is actually regressive.
00:03:42.540 You know, this is taking us back in time.
00:03:45.840 There was a Democrat witness, the sole Democrat witness, who is the president of the National Women's Law Center, which personally, I believe, should change their name to the Anti-Women's Law Center.
00:03:56.960 And in her testimony, she said that women should just learn to lose gracefully. 0.93
00:04:03.180 Gosh, as a coach, you know, you coached women's sports.
00:04:05.640 You coached, what, 40 years.
00:04:07.600 What's your reaction to that when you hear someone?
00:04:10.740 And again, in the guise of feminism and inclusivity, you hear someone say, tell women to learn how to lose gracefully. 0.97
00:04:19.600 What's your reaction?
00:04:20.280 One word, clueless.
00:04:22.900 She has no clue what's going on.
00:04:25.160 She doesn't understand opportunity, competition.
00:04:29.000 I've told people this over my lifetime, that one of the things that our country has had that's made our country better, it is the opportunity to participate in sports at a young age, middle age, from high school, junior high, all the way through college, and even make money doing it.
00:04:45.620 But it brings people together.
00:04:47.380 You learn things that you don't learn at home.
00:04:49.960 I learned probably more, and my dad and mom probably would not like what I'm saying.
00:04:54.880 I probably learned more from my high school coaches because I spent more time with them because my mom and dad worked.
00:05:01.100 And I spent more time with them and learned things about life that I probably wouldn't have learned at home.
00:05:08.200 And I think you look at a lot of these athletes, and I would say, as I was coaching, probably half to maybe three-fourths of the student athletes had one or no parent.
00:05:19.020 And so the coach is actually the parent.
00:05:21.680 And so I was parent to 1,000 young men, and it didn't make any difference what race, what religion, what economic background.
00:05:30.720 It was, hey, you're part of this team, and if you're going to stay on this team, you're going to work together to make this team successful.
00:05:37.180 And to me, that's made the United States of America very, very special because you don't have that in other countries.
00:05:45.540 No way.
00:05:47.180 I couldn't agree more, yet we're being told to lose gracefully. 0.99
00:05:51.680 What a silly notion. 0.84
00:05:53.860 There's a story that broke recently. 0.92
00:05:55.760 This is the first time we've heard of something like this happening because it's the first Division I scholarship given to a man.
00:06:07.680 This is coming from the University of Washington, which is in the Pac-12, about to join the Big Ten next year.
00:06:14.980 And this is for women's volleyball, which not only is it, of course, unfair at this point.
00:06:20.160 I mean, that's unsafe.
00:06:23.520 But you, you were the lead sponsor of the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act, which passed actually in the U.S. House, falling entirely on party lines.
00:06:33.700 But it's hung up in the Senate right now.
00:06:36.080 And so you've been on before.
00:06:37.380 You've talked about this.
00:06:38.320 But, you know, is there any update as to what this looks like, what we can expect for this piece of legislation in the future from the Senate, or even what we can expect in regards to Title IX from the Biden administration?
00:06:51.300 Yeah, Rodney, I think that the next year will be a big year for what you and I are talking about, women's sports and really sports in general.
00:06:58.940 Because being here three years, my understanding of what goes on up here, you get more done, and people turn back into basically Americans and human beings during an election year.
00:07:10.940 So next year, we've got a national election.
00:07:13.200 We have a presidential election.
00:07:14.840 We have senators running, congressmen.
00:07:17.280 Then we have all the state elections.
00:07:19.060 That being said, the reason I'm saying that is because I think you're going to have some people from the left that just have absolutely washed their hands of what's going on right now in Title IX and women's sports, transgenders, all those things.
00:07:34.100 I think you're going to see some of them come back to reality.
00:07:36.880 Because if they don't, they're going to lose.
00:07:39.640 And because it is a losing proposition all over the country.
00:07:43.800 I don't care if you're an independent, Republican, or Democrat.
00:07:46.180 It really shouldn't be about that.
00:07:48.360 It should be about America and giving people opportunities.
00:07:52.260 That's what America stands for, opportunities.
00:07:54.940 And now you start giving scholarships to men to play in women's sports, there will be a lawsuit bigger than any lawsuit you've ever seen over this.
00:08:03.960 That can't happen.
00:08:05.980 You have the Big Ten that's going to step up and say, whoa, hold a minute.
00:08:09.920 I mean, we're stepping off into something that people don't believe in, and it's not fair, and it's not safe.
00:08:17.840 So I think that you're going to have a lot of these politicians up here that might be giving us a call and say, Coach, about that PASS Act you had up.
00:08:25.860 You know, I'm up for re-election, and I can't have this going against me when I'm out campaigning.
00:08:31.860 Hopefully that happens.
00:08:32.840 Yeah, and it just takes one person, you know.
00:08:36.880 I believe it will be a ripple effect after that.
00:08:39.320 And actually, we've already seen this.
00:08:40.540 In California, we have Governor Newsom, who's done just that.
00:08:45.940 Now he's vetoing different bills that a year ago, two years ago.
00:08:50.380 No way he would have vetoed.
00:08:52.060 And of course, like you said, he's trying to clear his record here, make it seem as if he's more moderate than he really is.
00:08:59.220 I believe that.
00:09:00.640 I agree with you.
00:09:01.420 So I think that's what we're going to see, too.
00:09:03.920 But now, actually, speaking of kind of bipartisan efforts here, you, along with one of your Democrat colleagues, have been working together to implement the PASS Act.
00:09:15.360 Tell us what this is and really how this can benefit sport in general.
00:09:21.320 Well, you know as well as I do that this NIL is really tearing college athletics apart.
00:09:29.420 And even now, I saw yesterday in my state of Alabama, the legislative branch is bringing it up to vote on whether high school players can make money.
00:09:40.320 Now, but past it, unfortunately, in 30 states, it's legal now to pay high school players in sports in high school.
00:09:48.380 I don't understand where this is going.
00:09:50.100 But I do know in colleges and universities, the NIL is really dividing our universities.
00:09:58.260 And you're going to have the haves really take over because the ones that have the money, and you know the ones I'm talking about, whether it's basketball or football or swimming, whatever, they're going to be able to afford it.
00:10:12.480 And at the end of the day, it's what I'm telling everybody.
00:10:16.320 I've done this for a long time.
00:10:17.860 The people that are going to suffer on this is going to be Olympic and women's sports because the money that would normally go to produce women and Olympic sports come from donations. 0.77
00:10:31.700 And you're not going to have the donations.
00:10:34.680 It's all going to go to the young men or women to play the game and not going to run in budget.
00:10:42.140 So it's going to be a tough time.
00:10:44.100 But, you know, the past act, we pushed it.
00:10:46.300 Joe Manchin and I have been working on it.
00:10:48.360 There's a lot of things that we probably could change to make it better.
00:10:51.480 But at the end of the day, Riley, the Democrats want student-athletes to unionize.
00:10:57.920 And I'm not doing that.
00:10:59.440 We cannot do that.
00:11:01.420 It's about education first, athletics second.
00:11:05.280 And if we unionize student-athletes, we will have huge problems.
00:11:10.020 Of course.
00:11:11.180 I feel like I saw the effects of this at Kentucky.
00:11:14.020 Of course, swimming is not a large revenue sport at any school.
00:11:17.220 But, of course, basketball at Kentucky is huge.
00:11:20.860 And once this whole NIL deal kind of came to fruition, we saw our basketball players, our football players getting car deals and all kinds of different things.
00:11:31.300 And I think it hurts the competition aspect of playing sports.
00:11:35.880 I believe, of course, you know, there can be conversation about what this looks like and how to make compensation fair.
00:11:42.480 But it's ruining competition as a whole, I believe.
00:11:46.560 I believe certain aspects of it, for sure.
00:11:49.540 And so I wanted to ask you how the PASS Act and the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act, really Title IX, how do those work together and go hand-in-hand?
00:12:00.120 Do they go hand-in-hand?
00:12:01.640 Well, there are several things.
00:12:04.060 Obviously, financially.
00:12:06.600 Financially, to be able to support all the sports now, especially in the women's side and the Olympic sports.
00:12:13.840 We've got to have money.
00:12:16.520 Now, more and more of these schools are making money.
00:12:19.080 But you can take the five big conferences and probably survive to a certain degree, but you're still not going to have the money to buy the better coaches in Olympic sports and women's sports.
00:12:30.820 You're not going to have the same budgets for travel and all those things.
00:12:34.680 But, you know, we want to equalize it to some degree.
00:12:38.860 Now, I'm for players if they can make money fine, you know, at the end of the day.
00:12:43.080 What gets me is the transfer portal has really taken effect.
00:12:47.820 And it's, you know, one year, you know, you've got some players.
00:12:52.020 The next year, they're playing at other universities across the country.
00:12:56.020 The young man that just won the Heisman Trophy two years ago had played a couple of years at Arizona State and transferred because of the transfer portal.
00:13:06.440 Now, I'm not against transferring.
00:13:07.840 I'm not against men and women making money.
00:13:11.920 But it has to be equalized to some degree because we don't.
00:13:15.980 And as I said, it's going to be top heavy.
00:13:18.120 And guess who's going to be left out?
00:13:21.220 You know who's going to be left out.
00:13:22.260 It's going to be women's sport. 1.00
00:13:23.880 Right.
00:13:24.320 Talk about this lawsuit very briefly that's going on in Oregon over this.
00:13:30.780 Yeah, there was a lawsuit.
00:13:31.880 I think it was filed last week from the women's athletics.
00:13:35.040 And they're suing the NCAA and the NIL for equality of more money is going to men athletes through the NIL than it is to women's athletes.
00:13:47.620 Now, it's never going to be the same, but there is going to be some huge discrepancies across the board.
00:13:53.400 I mean, you can't have one or two people on some of these big teams making four or five million dollars.
00:13:58.640 And because that's the total budget of probably three or four Olympic sports.
00:14:04.980 It's just amazing.
00:14:05.980 But I don't know how it can survive.
00:14:07.820 Again, I think it's good that some people make money doing this.
00:14:11.520 But at the end of the day, it should be about education and athletics.
00:14:15.360 Of course.
00:14:16.160 I wonder if these same women's teams or the same women's athletic department at Oregon or wherever this lawsuit came from, 0.98
00:14:25.400 I wonder if they would be just as outraged by this story coming from University of Washington about the male athlete taking the women's scholarship.
00:14:33.260 But you're right.
00:14:34.000 It all it all goes together.
00:14:35.980 And again, it all ends ultimately with women becoming the collateral damage in the process. 1.00
00:14:42.480 And so, Senator Tuberville, we are grateful that you joined.
00:14:45.760 I know you are busy.
00:14:47.160 You got a lot going on, especially as it's the end of the year.
00:14:50.380 You're wrapping things up, trying to restore sanity, tighten some things up at the border.
00:14:56.320 Lots of really awesome things, awesome things you're advocating for going on.
00:15:01.720 So we couldn't be more grateful for you and your leadership.
00:15:04.900 And we will certainly be following both the PASS Act and what happens with the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act in the Senate
00:15:11.400 and ultimately what the Biden administration does regarding Title IX.
00:15:15.660 So thank you so much for coming on.
00:15:17.880 Again, we're so grateful for you.
00:15:19.400 Thank you, Rodney.
00:15:20.300 Merry Christmas.
00:15:21.360 Merry Christmas.
00:15:21.960 Merry Christmas.
00:15:51.960 I hope you all have the merriest of Christmases and we will see you next week.