Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - RILEY GAINES PODCAST： Fighting Back Against the Mob with Paula Scanlan

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00:00:30.000 Welcome back to the Games for Girls podcast.

00:00:36.200 I am so excited because today we have a dear friend of mine,

00:00:40.780 as well as a former collegiate swimmer at University of Pennsylvania.

00:00:44.940 And if you can recall, this is where Leah Thomas, Will Thomas, swam as well.

00:00:50.900 Paula Scanlon, I am so excited to have you on.

00:00:53.820 Thank you for having me, Riley.

00:00:55.580 We could probably, actually, I know we could because we have,

00:00:59.200 between the two of us.

00:01:00.580 I mean, hours and hours of conversation

00:01:03.980 that I don't think the general public understands.

00:01:07.540 In regards to the competition and the locker room and the silencing,

00:01:11.120 especially Paula being on a team with Leah, Will, Thomas,

00:01:16.360 and dealing with that for years, really.

00:01:20.260 There's a lot of stories to be told.

00:01:23.040 But we're going to dive into what happened this week.

00:01:26.060 In Texas, Denton, Texas, we were at the Texas Women's Hall of Fame,

00:01:30.020 which is such a fitting place,

00:01:32.120 for Governor Abbott's ceremonial signing of the Save Women's Sports Act.

00:01:36.540 Paula, tell us a little bit about what was going on,

00:01:40.720 why this is important, and really why you were there,

00:01:44.560 standing, actually sitting right beside Governor Abbott as he signed this bill.

00:01:49.120 Yeah, so you were there, too, sitting on the other side of him.

00:01:52.940 But we were there because he was ceremonially signing in this bill.

00:01:56.660 It had already previously been passed.

00:01:58.880 And it ensured that public-funded Texas universities at the collegiate level,

00:02:04.060 you have to compete with the sex you were assigned at birth.

00:02:07.380 There's no self-ID.

00:02:09.340 So essentially, if the University of Pennsylvania had been a public school in Texas,

00:02:14.700 the Leah Thomas situation would never have happened to my team.

00:02:16.920 That was really exciting news.

00:02:18.660 Obviously, all of my family lives in Texas on my mom's side. 1.00

00:02:23.160 I have a few cousins that went to UT.

00:02:26.100 So knowing that when they have children, because they still live in Texas,

00:02:29.640 their kids will be protected, their girls will be encouraged to be athletes,

00:02:33.340 is so comforting to know.

00:02:34.960 They had already previously passed it at the high school and middle school level,

00:02:39.180 but knowing college students are also protected is great.

00:02:42.180 And I'm so happy.

00:02:44.020 And Governor Abbott has done wonderful things.

00:02:46.200 And we had a really, really wonderful day there.

00:02:48.540 Yesterday, before all the crazy stuff happened, which we'll get into,

00:02:52.580 but it was a great day.

00:02:54.560 There were several athletes there.

00:02:56.120 There were even some Texas collegiate athletes who were there in support.

00:03:00.080 And something that stuck out to me is there were three young girls who were there.

00:03:04.740 I think one was in third grade.

00:03:06.500 I'm not sure the grade, but certainly elementary school.

00:03:09.380 And these parents who had brought their daughters there,

00:03:12.400 they were saying that they had already experienced this.

00:03:15.560 In third grade, they had competed against boys who were cosplaying,

00:03:21.160 pretending to be women, which blew my mind because people think, 1.00

00:03:25.440 you know, it's Texas.

00:03:26.560 It doesn't happen here.

00:03:27.580 This is a non-issue.

00:03:28.580 Why are we creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

00:03:31.980 But those girls and their parents, 0.96

00:03:35.240 they're the proof that it does happen in Texas.

00:03:38.720 It does happen in places where you don't expect it to be happening.

00:03:42.640 So that's something that really stuck out to me.

00:03:45.560 There was a lot of questions being asked, you know, after the signing.

00:03:49.120 I think they were essentially the same question,

00:03:51.340 just phrased different ways each time.

00:03:53.880 And that was one of the questions, you know,

00:03:55.700 why are you doing this in Texas?

00:03:57.660 Can you even list an example?

00:03:59.920 And what I think is really interesting is that Will Thomas is from Texas.

00:04:05.940 So there is a Texas tie-in, which I think makes this especially special

00:04:11.460 and important for both you and I to be there.

00:04:14.060 But you mentioned the protesters.

00:04:15.720 Let's get into it.

00:04:18.080 Talk about what that looked like.

00:04:19.940 I mean, before even arriving, I had been alerted that protests were going to be had.

00:04:25.980 It was already spreading through social media.

00:04:28.240 But talk about what that looked like.

00:04:30.600 Go through some of the crazy things they were yelling,

00:04:34.560 exclaiming from the top of their lungs,

00:04:37.340 to which we could hear while we were doing the signing.

00:04:40.360 Talk us through that.

00:04:41.120 Yeah, so when you told me in the car on the way there that there was going to be protesters,

00:04:45.500 I thought it was going to be 15 people.

00:04:48.340 So I mentioned this before we started filming is my uncle, who lives in Dallas,

00:04:52.800 was there to pick me up from the event.

00:04:55.740 And so he got kind of locked outside of the event.

00:04:59.680 That's the way to explain it.

00:05:01.040 And he had to hang out with these protesters for an hour.

00:05:04.240 And he told me something that surprised him was actually how well organized they were.

00:05:08.920 He said, the one thing I can do is I can give them credit.

00:05:11.120 He said they all had sheets on what to chant,

00:05:13.940 that the leader of the chant group would tell everyone to stop and take water breaks

00:05:19.360 because it was 104 degrees out.

00:05:22.060 So he was very surprised how organized they were.

00:05:25.260 Obviously, we didn't really see that part of it.

00:05:27.140 But that is something interesting that we didn't really discuss on Twitter or anything yesterday.

00:05:31.200 But when we showed up, there was a whole group of people.

00:05:33.000 We knew immediately who they were.

00:05:34.660 You could see the trans flags waving, rainbow umbrellas, things like that.

00:05:39.420 And so we had to go.

00:05:40.480 Dedication in 105 degree weather to be wearing a face covering, a mask.

00:05:45.660 That's kind of impressive.

00:05:47.160 Yeah, definitely.

00:05:48.820 But we were able to go around back and they figured out,

00:05:51.860 like they didn't figure out where we were when we entered through the backside.

00:05:54.980 But then when the event was over, they had migrated over to that area.

00:05:59.060 And they kind of blocked off the exits.

00:06:01.440 People who had tried to leave were, you know, kind of walking through a wind tunnel,

00:06:06.460 for a better explanation, of these people just screaming.

00:06:09.860 And my uncle, the thing that really stood out to him is that when they attacked those three young girls

00:06:14.460 who were in that venue, they were cursed at.

00:06:17.020 And he said that was he thought that was so inappropriate.

00:06:19.580 He says, you know, it's one thing to chant and to, you know, say whatever you want about about the situation,

00:06:24.960 but to yell curse words and stick their middle fingers up at young children,

00:06:28.840 which is what my uncle, my uncle told me there was a lot of people pointing their middle fingers at these kids, 0.98

00:06:34.060 which was just so ridiculous.

00:06:36.500 But eventually we were able to get out of there, obviously, and everything was fine. 0.56

00:06:41.920 But there was an IW person who got spit on in the eye. 1.00

00:06:45.960 She said someone hit her.

00:06:47.460 They poured water bottles on representatives.

00:06:49.440 I mean, to be, as I mentioned, as young as third grade, you're like eight years old in third grade,

00:06:56.620 eight, nine years old.

00:06:57.760 To be that young, I mean, that's traumatizing.

00:07:01.500 And people wonder, you know, why more women aren't speaking out. 1.00

00:07:06.000 Conservatives always say, you know, why aren't more people taking a stand?

00:07:10.780 That is why.

00:07:12.260 It's because that's what we're up against.

00:07:15.020 And again, even in the state of Texas, that's what we're up against.

00:07:18.320 Imagine California.

00:07:20.300 I saw that when I went to San Francisco, and it's terrifying.

00:07:24.240 I mean, you really, it makes you fear for your life, which sounds like you're over-exaggerating.

00:07:31.260 But no, those protesters yesterday, they were telling, I mean, they were yelling, you know,

00:07:34.940 we know where you live.

00:07:36.600 You need to watch yourself.

00:07:38.540 I mean, they're threatening, threatening remarks.

00:07:42.080 And so that's why people are quiet.

00:07:44.780 And I can't imagine those poor girls getting home. 1.00

00:07:48.420 I mean, getting in their car, that's got to be just a terrifying realization for what

00:07:52.580 they just walked through.

00:07:53.840 I mean, I couldn't imagine being eight years old going through that.

00:07:55.900 I mean, I was scared.

00:07:57.300 And I'm 23.

00:07:58.580 I kind of got in the car and I was like, fight or flight mode.

00:08:01.760 My uncle and my aunt were like, are you all right?

00:08:03.780 And I was like, yeah, I'm fine.

00:08:05.560 But I'm, you know, I'm 23.

00:08:06.840 I expect these things.

00:08:08.040 I don't think, and I'm sure those, those, the parents of those girls are probably feeling

00:08:13.600 a little bit of guilt for even bringing their kids there.

00:08:16.420 Of course they should have been there.

00:08:17.600 They're so important to be there.

00:08:19.180 And there shouldn't even be one ounce of guilt there.

00:08:22.840 But I can't imagine even as a parent feeling, wow, should I be subjecting my kid to this?

00:08:28.100 Is this the right thing?

00:08:29.340 It's definitely not acceptable that they kind of did a lot of that stuff.

00:08:33.100 Just watch this video of, and these are legislators, these are the co-sponsors and the sponsors

00:08:38.900 of this bill.

00:08:39.600 It was actually Representative Valerie Swanson who introduced this bill in Texas on the House

00:08:44.260 side who took this video.

00:08:46.060 I mean, just listen and watch what these protesters are doing, specifically the guy who dumps his

00:08:52.260 entire bottle of water on these three legislators.

00:08:55.840 Let them play! 0.57

00:08:57.660 Let them play! 0.57

00:08:58.880 Let them play! 0.57

00:09:00.880 Speaking of Texas, one thing I loved about your congressional testimony a few weeks ago

00:09:21.920 was Representative West Hunt, who's from Texas.

00:09:24.760 He had the most amazing, I don't even know the word for it, because again, it's common

00:09:31.680 sense, but he stood so firm.

00:09:35.000 I watched that video like a hundred times of his response back to this.

00:09:39.440 Watch some of this as well.

00:09:40.760 That my four-year-old and my two-year-old daughters will not change in front of biological

00:09:46.880 men. 0.98

00:09:47.920 This is ridiculous. 0.99

00:09:49.440 Regardless, I don't care what party you are a part of. 0.99

00:09:53.120 If you think that we're all equal and the same biologically, you've literally lost your

00:09:58.420 mind.

00:09:59.540 And when my two daughters work hard in the sport, work hard in their craft to be the best

00:10:04.440 that they can be amongst other women, they will compete against other women.

00:10:09.820 I owe Victoria and Olivia and every other young lady in this country that.

00:10:16.480 If you think I'm wrong, I am not the problem.

00:10:19.240 I can assure you, we have an opportunity in this country to get this right in 2024 so we

00:10:23.380 can stop all of this foolishness.

00:10:25.520 Paula, what was your reaction to hearing this, being there when he said that?

00:10:30.760 I mean, that's the leadership that every man especially needs to display.

00:10:34.640 I thought he was awesome.

00:10:35.640 Definitely the room was full of a lot of people who were definitely not for me and him being

00:10:40.600 there.

00:10:41.040 He's also really funny.

00:10:42.640 He was kind of like comedic relief a little bit, but I was like, this is why you come

00:10:46.340 to Congress.

00:10:47.200 This is why you come testify in Washington.

00:10:49.600 He almost made my trip and my experience and everything that happened leading up to it

00:10:54.880 just worth it.

00:10:55.960 There are a lot of people who are very unhappy with me after I testified.

00:10:59.380 I was getting a lot of hate comments, but him doing that was just made it all worth

00:11:03.960 it and also knowing his daughters, you know, I love that a father that can protect their

00:11:09.040 daughters.

00:11:09.580 You know, there's a lot of representatives on the other side that have daughters that 1.00

00:11:13.780 are men, that are women, whatever, and they don't stand up for them.

00:11:17.140 And that just breaks my heart knowing that they have daughters and they won't stand up

00:11:20.700 for them.

00:11:21.100 So knowing that he is a father of two girls also is so wonderful and he's such a great

00:11:27.360 guy.

00:11:28.100 One more legislative piece that was pretty monumental over the past week or so was Governor

00:11:34.040 Stitt in Oklahoma signing in to effect the Women's Bill of Rights, which actually we had 0.99

00:11:39.760 a meeting with Governor Abbott about after the signing about this, this needing to move

00:11:44.540 forward in Texas, where you talk about the Women's Bill of Rights, very simply what it

00:11:50.520 is.

00:11:51.220 Yeah.

00:11:51.520 So the Women's Bill of Rights, you were just there in Oklahoma. 1.00

00:11:55.060 It essentially just defines what a woman is. 1.00

00:11:58.340 It just goes a little bit further than what Abbott had already put into law with sports.

00:12:03.940 So right now in the state of Texas, women's sports are protected.

00:12:06.620 But something else that needs to be considered is bathrooms, prisons, women's shelters, other 0.98

00:12:12.320 spaces that women in those spaces deserve the same dignity. 1.00

00:12:17.060 So we were talking to Governor Abbott about putting that in and what that would look like

00:12:22.040 in Texas.

00:12:22.920 And obviously, Texas is a really large state.

00:12:25.500 So the government is always harder in larger states because there's more representatives

00:12:29.280 to deal with.

00:12:29.920 There's more people involved.

00:12:31.160 But we had a great discussion with him about that.

00:12:33.340 He's so supportive of the work that we've been doing with IW and other groups that have

00:12:36.940 been working on this.

00:12:37.940 And I thought that we had a wonderful conversation.

00:12:40.520 And I'm so hopeful that Texas will also take the Sports and Protecting Women Act even a

00:12:46.200 step further and protect all other women's spaces into law. 1.00

00:12:49.140 I cannot believe we have to have a law that defines what a woman is.

00:12:53.780 In other sex-based terms, it defines woman, man, girl, boy, mother, father, male, female.

00:13:00.000 I mean, these are terms you don't even learn in school.

00:13:04.220 You learn it sooner than that.

00:13:05.520 I mean, they're common sense terms.

00:13:09.300 One more announcement that is super-duper exciting that I know we've been working pretty

00:13:16.220 hard on.

00:13:17.220 We have officially launched the Riley Gaines Center at the Leadership Institute.

00:13:22.580 And really what the point of this is, it's to fight the movement to erase women and destroy

00:13:28.200 women's sports, really womanhood as a whole.

00:13:31.040 We've been stripped of our opportunities to fairly compete in sport.

00:13:35.120 We've been denied scholarships, put in physical danger, and exposed to humiliation in locker

00:13:41.300 rooms.

00:13:41.760 And I think these injustices will only accelerate if we don't speak up.

00:13:47.920 And so what this Riley Gaines Center, what we plan on doing, is empowering students and

00:13:53.560 athletes and community leaders and parents and coaches and teachers and other allies to

00:13:58.880 advocate for women and girls by providing support and training and mentoring and resources for

00:14:04.860 those who want to defend women's identity and our opportunities and to keep us safe through

00:14:09.160 the Riley Gaines Center.

00:14:10.740 Another mission of the center will be to fund college campus speakers.

00:14:17.320 Paula, I am so excited to say that you will be one of those speakers who will be going around

00:14:22.740 to college campuses, sharing your story, sharing your experience.

00:14:27.140 I know Olivia Krolczyk, who was on the podcast a few weeks ago.

00:14:31.100 She was the young woman, a college student from University of Cincinnati, who received a zero

00:14:37.320 on her assignment for using the term biological woman in an essay.

00:14:42.180 She will be another speaker.

00:14:43.740 So it's really just great news.

00:14:46.300 Can you talk about the value in putting people like yourself on college campuses in front of

00:14:53.020 people our age to share what's what's really happening as it pertains to these cultural

00:14:58.880 issues?

00:14:59.920 Yeah.

00:15:00.260 So you were just in college.

00:15:01.820 I was just in college.

00:15:02.720 We know that these universities have agendas that don't always align with what we both believe.

00:15:08.440 And we need to kind of be a counterculture to what these universities are teaching and what

00:15:14.360 they're preaching.

00:15:14.960 And it's very easy to be a young teenager or a late teenager and a young 20-year-old and

00:15:20.340 believe everything that you're being taught in the classroom.

00:15:22.760 And you also, even if you hear something you don't agree with, you don't have the tools

00:15:26.160 to properly fight it off because you don't know the language to use.

00:15:29.800 You don't know how to present your arguments.

00:15:32.440 So one of the importance of bringing us also young individuals onto these campuses is giving

00:15:38.820 these young college students the language, the tools that they need to voice their opinions,

00:15:43.780 to feel comfortable with their voice, to push back against the agenda of some of these

00:15:48.780 universities and these professors and these institutions.

00:15:51.920 And it's so important to get young people started early, right?

00:15:55.440 It shouldn't be up to 50 and 60-year-old men and women to fix these issues. 0.71

00:15:59.440 We need to start teaching the young generation how to do these things.

00:16:03.260 So that's one of our goals.

00:16:04.880 And I know there's a lot of other people involved in it.

00:16:07.140 And I'm so excited for that.

00:16:08.840 And we've done a lot of great things already leading up to it.

00:16:11.780 So it's going to be a really great school year for these college students.

00:16:14.360 So I'm so excited.

00:16:16.260 Absolutely.

00:16:17.160 You already went through some of the media training and different things at the Leadership

00:16:21.900 Institute.

00:16:23.060 Did you find it helpful?

00:16:23.980 Did you find it resourceful and really help you learn how to be effective in what you

00:16:31.540 say and how you say it?

00:16:33.680 Yeah, I've done some LI trainings now.

00:16:36.420 They've been great.

00:16:37.620 I highly recommend them.

00:16:38.680 I know they have some classes that are open to not just people who are speaking at high

00:16:42.160 profile levels or in the Riley Gaines Center themselves.

00:16:45.640 But it was a really wonderful experience.

00:16:48.000 I've definitely learned a lot of media tips and tricks.

00:16:50.800 I definitely was not expecting to ever have to do things like this.

00:16:54.900 I have an engineering degree, which does nothing for public speaking.

00:16:58.520 But here we are.

00:16:59.620 So it was definitely a way to get taught skills that I didn't learn in college and never would

00:17:05.640 have learned in college.

00:17:07.200 Those trained through the Riley Gaines Center will leave feeling equipped with the skills

00:17:12.600 and the knowledge to effectively speak up and lead in defending female identity on their

00:17:18.220 campuses, school districts and communities.

00:17:21.460 We'll also be doing some school board training, which is super exciting stuff.

00:17:25.320 Because again, I've even had to and I know, Paula, you have as well.

00:17:28.860 We've had to involve ourselves in conversations even with Republican lawmakers who are on our

00:17:33.600 side and really teaching them, helping them understand the language that we need to use

00:17:40.220 moving forward, even using the term biological woman.

00:17:44.280 While that is true, and both you and myself are biological women, when we have to add that

00:17:51.320 word biological, it's implying that there is another kind of woman. 0.99

00:17:57.160 There is no other kind of woman. 1.00

00:17:59.700 When we use the term biological woman, without even realizing it, we're compromising.

00:18:06.720 We're giving up our language.

00:18:08.600 And so just little pieces like that so we don't continue down this slippery slope.

00:18:15.380 We're building a team and I invite everyone listening to this to join on to the team.

00:18:21.940 You can find it at www.rileygainescenter.org.

00:18:25.680 You can sign up for training.

00:18:27.320 You can invite us to speak on your campuses, send your story, make a donation.

00:18:31.640 And we need all the help we can get in this important fight.

00:18:37.080 They're loud.

00:18:38.920 But we, the silent majority, we must be louder.

00:18:43.240 And so the center is the resource that I wish I had when I faced the humiliation of what

00:18:48.740 we went through.

00:18:50.040 And so it'll be like a home base.

00:18:52.220 And so I'm super excited.

00:18:53.360 And Paula, I'm so grateful that you're a part of it, as well as Olivia, some other people

00:18:57.600 who I won't announce yet, but super duper exciting stuff.

00:19:02.300 I guess just kind of final thoughts.

00:19:04.920 And everyone listening to this, you can expect another episode with Paula, because as I mentioned,

00:19:09.420 we could talk for hours about the different pieces of really what we went through, Paula

00:19:14.340 especially.

00:19:15.620 I was so grateful when she spoke up to have her voice, to have her stories, to have her

00:19:21.500 presence, and to have her as a friend.

00:19:23.400 Um, but final thoughts, this, these past few weeks, um, I don't think people realize the

00:19:29.680 sacrifices that you've made.

00:19:31.560 Uh, you've been outspoken, you're in what is a woman, you, you quit your, your job that 1.00

00:19:37.680 actually, you know, I mean, it paid you really well to do what you were doing with your engineering

00:19:42.060 degree.

00:19:42.440 And now you've kind of abandoned that to fight for this.

00:19:46.020 And so talk about why talk about, I know, I know this is a generic question that you, you've

00:19:51.580 probably answered several times, but I think people need to hear the magnitude of what's

00:19:56.320 at stake.

00:19:57.240 And so what really thrusted you over that edge?

00:20:00.020 And is it something that you regret?

00:20:02.740 Yeah.

00:20:03.320 So definitely don't regret it now.

00:20:05.300 Um, you've talked a lot about your course of life changing.

00:20:09.120 I know you would have been a great dentist.

00:20:11.420 My mom is actually getting jaw surgery stuff right now. 1.00

00:20:14.840 And I was just thinking about you this morning.

00:20:16.300 So anyway, um, it's a quick aside, but things change, experiences happen.

00:20:23.020 And when I first spoke out about this, I wasn't sure if it would, it would lead me to a different

00:20:27.660 line of work.

00:20:28.700 I just knew that I had to tell my story and I had to do it the most effective way that

00:20:32.320 I knew possible.

00:20:33.320 And that if I was going to take that step, I needed to do it the best way that I could.

00:20:37.260 Um, and it would have been really easy for me to just speak out a few times and go back

00:20:40.400 to my job and forget this ever happened or not ever speak about it at all.

00:20:44.360 But it's so much bigger than that.

00:20:45.940 It's so important for us to be on the ground at these events.

00:20:49.100 Like we were in Texas yesterday, right?

00:20:51.500 If I had a normal job, we couldn't have been in the middle of Texas at 2 PM on a, on a Monday.

00:20:57.260 Um, it's important to be there.

00:20:59.100 It's important to meet those three little girls that we met and see who we're fighting for.

00:21:03.680 It's important to think about your family members that have, uh, might have kids yourself

00:21:08.580 having your own kids.

00:21:09.820 This is so much bigger than us.

00:21:11.340 The two of us don't compete in the NCAA anymore.

00:21:13.360 We don't compete in competitive sport anymore, but it's, it's about something so much bigger

00:21:17.760 than who we are and what we've done.

00:21:19.880 And yes, of course, we've made sacrifices in our personal lives and our journeys into

00:21:24.360 what we thought we might've done with our lives.

00:21:26.380 But it, this is just so much bigger and so much more important.

00:21:29.160 And, you know, I really think, thank the Lord, honestly, for putting me in a position that

00:21:33.960 empowered me to feel comfortable speaking and empowered me to continue to want to speak

00:21:38.020 about this.

00:21:38.640 Um, and I also am grateful to the Lord for, for you being a part of this as well.

00:21:43.300 Um, and so, yeah, that's, that's all I can say.

00:21:46.520 And we're just, you know, taking this day by day and seeing what comes.

00:21:48.980 Um, and if there's a point in my life where I can stop and go back and re continue my engineering

00:21:55.080 job track.

00:21:56.020 I was working as a product manager and go back to that or something similar, maybe that's

00:22:01.200 what will happen.

00:22:01.840 If that's what, you know, my life has in store for me, but for now, this is what we need to

00:22:06.540 focus on.

00:22:08.000 Two things.

00:22:09.300 Um, you mentioned how, if you had a job, you couldn't have been there yesterday, but notice

00:22:14.960 the protesters had no problem being there yesterday to Monday.

00:22:19.160 I actually, I think it is their job.

00:22:20.580 They're probably paid to be there.

00:22:21.840 Um, secondly, no, we don't compete anymore, but let, let's start our own league.

00:22:28.500 Let's start like the retired old batter and slower swimmer league.

00:22:34.640 It's called master swimming, Riley.

00:22:37.460 Well, let's just maybe, I think we need to do a relay though.

00:22:40.420 I don't know if I can make it down and back in the pool anymore.

00:22:43.800 Um, but Paula, you're amazing.

00:22:46.580 Um, as I mentioned, you've just become a great friend and ally in this fight.

00:22:50.340 And I am certain that we will only continue doing phenomenal work and being a megaphone

00:22:57.160 for so many who stand alongside us and behind us.

00:22:59.920 So thank you for everything.

00:23:02.500 Everyone make sure to like, subscribe, uh, check out where you get any of your podcasts,

00:23:08.260 outkick.com, Apple, Spotify, whatever that looks like.

00:23:11.340 And be on the lookout in the future for another episode with Paula, where we're actually able

00:23:15.940 to dive more into her story and really what that looked like for her.

Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - August 09, 2023

RILEY GAINES PODCAST： Fighting Back Against the Mob with Paula Scanlan

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